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Legally Brunette: Bryan Kohberger, Menendez Brothers & Blake Lively Updates · Legally Brunette

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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I
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Speaker 1: will be your host today, Emily Simpson with just Shane.
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Speaker 1: I love that when you guys DM me about the
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Speaker 1: cases or what your feelings are for Legally Brunette, that
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Speaker 1: you always say just Shane entertains me or just Shane
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Speaker 1: is funny. So you've actually like you've become just Shane. Okay,
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Speaker 1: good Anyway, The first thing I just want to start
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Speaker 1: off with, as we did an episode yesterday on the
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Speaker 1: Amy Bradley disappearance, and a few of you DM me
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Speaker 1: you listen to it. Thank you for listening. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: And I know there were some conflicting reports as far
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Speaker 1: as whether she left her wallet behind, the key card behind,
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Speaker 1: the cigarettes behind. So I tried my best to research
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Speaker 1: and figure out, but it just really comes down to
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Speaker 1: it's just there's conflicting reports about what happened. I read
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Speaker 1: when Amy Bradley vanished from the cruise ship. Her wallet,
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Speaker 1: a box of cigarettes, and a lighter were reportedly left
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Speaker 1: behind in the cabin. Her sandals were all found inside
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Speaker 1: the suite. However, there are conflicting accounts about whether the
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Speaker 1: key card was left behind or somehow on her person
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Speaker 1: or lost. We don't know. And again it's been twenty
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Speaker 1: seven years. So I even think when the brother brad
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Speaker 1: if he's you know, he's on a media round right
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Speaker 1: now and he's doing podcasts, I don't know if he
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Speaker 1: even has a clear memory of the exact facts at
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Speaker 1: that time. So that's where the conflicts come in. So anyway,
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Speaker 1: we do our best to do the research and give
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Speaker 1: you accurate information, but you know, with a case that's
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Speaker 1: twenty seven years old, we don't always know exactly what happened.
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Speaker 1: In people's memories are a little off. I just had
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Speaker 1: one more thing to say about Amy Bradley that I
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Speaker 1: thought was a good point. When I was doing research,
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Speaker 1: there were some people and I thought this was I
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Speaker 1: never really thought about this, but Amy Bradley was on
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Speaker 1: a cruise ship with her family, and it really comes
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Speaker 1: down to whether she disappeared from falling or jumping off
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Speaker 1: the ship, or whether she was human trafficked in some
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Speaker 1: way and removed from the ship. And we were talking,
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Speaker 1: I was kind of like putting, you know, all these
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Speaker 1: detail into categories, trying to figure out which way I
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Speaker 1: wanted to go, and a point that leads to maybe
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Speaker 1: not possibly sex trafficing, is the fact that she was
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Speaker 1: on a ship with her family, and according to experts
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Speaker 1: in sex trafficking human trafficking, sex traffickers don't normally kidnap
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Speaker 1: or look for people that are with a family, more.
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Speaker 2: Like runaways or someone single, so they don't have someone
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Speaker 2: to look out for them or be trying to research and.
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Speaker 1: Investigation immediately when she's removed. If this is allegedly, if
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Speaker 1: she's allegedly removed from the ship or course or drugged
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Speaker 1: or taken or whatever, she has a family on the
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Speaker 1: ship that's going to immediately notice her disappearance and report it,
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Speaker 1: and there's going to be people immediately in action. So
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Speaker 1: that's not a normal victim of sex trafficking or human trafficking.
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Speaker 1: They normally search for people, for young people or whatever
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Speaker 1: that are alone, that aren't with a family, that aren't
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Speaker 1: with parents, things like that. So anyway, I just thought
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Speaker 1: that was a good point. I just wanted to add.
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Speaker 2: To add to the mystery.
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Speaker 1: Yes, well, we add more elements to the mystery, and
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Speaker 1: I'm just even confused. We're going to do some updates
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Speaker 1: on some other cases we've done. I just want to
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Speaker 1: do a brief update on Menindez because there's been some
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Speaker 1: action on the case. First of all, we do know
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Speaker 1: that I don't remember the exact date, but maybe it
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Speaker 1: was a month or so ago. The Meninda's brothers were
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Speaker 1: re sentenced.
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Speaker 2: By a judge fifty years.
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Speaker 1: They were given fifty years. They've already served. Well, they've
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Speaker 1: served enough time to be eligible for parole. So they
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Speaker 1: do have a parole hearing August twenty first and twenty second.
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Speaker 1: They have a parole hearing scheduled, so at that time
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Speaker 1: they could possibly be granted.
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Speaker 2: They had one in June, right and it was rescheduled.
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Speaker 2: Was that because of the fires it was rescheduled?
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Speaker 1: I believe that as well.
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Speaker 2: Fires.
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Speaker 1: I think I think they did have a parole hearing earlier.
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Speaker 1: It was rescheduled because of the fires. Now they have
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Speaker 1: a parole here.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be a tsunami.
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Speaker 1: Now it might be a tsunami. Yes, we were on
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Speaker 1: tsunami watch last night. Shane was not bothered at all
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Speaker 1: by the tsunami. I was having a nervous breakdown, but
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Speaker 1: other than that, that's usually how our marriage works.
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Speaker 2: So I slept fine.
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Speaker 1: Jame slept fine. I was up all night, like it's
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Speaker 1: a Sami going to hit our house. It didn't. So anyway,
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Speaker 1: so we have the parole hearing come up where they
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Speaker 1: could possibly be paroled and released that way. However, they
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Speaker 1: had a habeas petition and now this is a different,
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Speaker 1: completely different track. You've got the recencing, which is where
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Speaker 1: they're on track to possibly be parolled and they've been recentenced,
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Speaker 1: and then you have a completely different track, which is
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Speaker 1: the habeas petition. The habeas petition I believe was filed
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Speaker 1: back in I think twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 1: something like that, and it's basically what habeas means. It's
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Speaker 1: a Latin terms that basically means like bring the body
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Speaker 1: like it translates to and that is a Latin term
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Speaker 1: that has to do with if someone is unjustly detained.
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Speaker 1: The recentencing is by statute and it's completely different than
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Speaker 1: the habeas. The Habeast has to do with the new
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Speaker 1: evidence that resurfaced after they were sentenced. So the Habeas
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Speaker 1: is basically saying, hey, these guys are being unlawfully detained
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Speaker 1: because there is this new evidence that has come forward,
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Speaker 1: and the new evidence, if it was presented at the
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Speaker 1: time of trial. Most likely there would have been a
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Speaker 1: different verdict. And the two pieces of new evidence, which
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Speaker 1: we've talked about previously because we've done you know, we've
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Speaker 1: done a full Menindaz podcast at one point and when
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Speaker 1: we first started. But the two pieces of evidence are one.
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Speaker 1: It's the letter that Eric wrote to his cousin Andy
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Speaker 1: Conno back in Apparently he wrote it in nineteen ninety eight,
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Speaker 1: eighty eight. Sorry, there's so many decades in my life now.
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Speaker 1: I can't even keep trying the Milli Vanilli era. It
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Speaker 1: was written in eighty eight, eight months prior to the
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Speaker 1: actual killings, and he wrote his cousin making references to
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Speaker 1: the abuse with my dad is still going on. I'm
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Speaker 1: scared things like that. You can actually find the full
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Speaker 1: letter if you google it, but the letter was not found.
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Speaker 1: And this is conflicting too. But apparently this letter came
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Speaker 1: up in an interview with Barbara Walters in like twenty fifteen,
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Speaker 1: and then their attorneys were like, wait, we never heard
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Speaker 1: about this letter. And then Robert rand who is the
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Speaker 1: reporter that's been invested in the Menindez brothers for years
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Speaker 1: and years and years and wrote a book called The
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Speaker 1: Menindez brothers and I actually read it. He has a
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Speaker 1: good relationship with the family. Apparently, in like twenty eighteen,
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Speaker 1: he went to the ant's house and went through the
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Speaker 1: cousin's things. The cousin is no longer alive, he died.
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Speaker 2: Years ago, and that's how then the letter served.
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Speaker 1: The letter was found apparently in his personal effects. So
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Speaker 1: now this.
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Speaker 2: Letter proves, well, it tends to prove.
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Speaker 1: It tends to prove, proves, however, you want to look
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Speaker 1: at it, that the abuse was real, the abuse was ongoing,
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Speaker 1: and that Eric was reaching out to his cousin talking
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Speaker 1: about it prior to the murders. The second piece of
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Speaker 1: evidence that's presented in the habeas petition is the testimony
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Speaker 1: of the roy roussello from Minudo that claims that he
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Speaker 1: was sexually assaulted or abused by Jose he was very young.
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Speaker 1: Apparently he was taken to his home and abused. So
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Speaker 1: now you have two pieces of evidence that are you know,
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Speaker 1: alleging that.
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Speaker 2: It sounds like the resentencing is a more likely and
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Speaker 2: simpler approach if they can pull that off it not
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Speaker 2: you mean, not the resentsing, but the parole right, the
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Speaker 2: parole hearing, that would allow them to be released because
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Speaker 2: then they served adequate times.
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Speaker 1: Well, the habeas is interesting too, because the judge ruled
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Speaker 1: that the new evidence presented is he said, a prima
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Speaker 1: facie case, meaning prima facie means on the face that
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Speaker 1: evidence is credible. Yeah, So the way he looks at
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Speaker 1: it is like, on the face, this new evidence that
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Speaker 1: you have presented is credible and it would most likely
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Speaker 1: change the verdict if it had been presented at that time.
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Speaker 1: So now the ball is really in the court or
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Speaker 1: the ball is now.
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Speaker 2: With the balls in the court of the court.
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Speaker 1: The ball is in the court of the court, the
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Speaker 1: ball is in the DA's hands, court whatever where they
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Speaker 1: have to prove that it's not credible.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So but really it's really a good thing for the
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Speaker 1: Menindaz brothers because the judge is like, hey, this is
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Speaker 1: credible evidence. I'm behind it.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: Now it's on you guys approve that it's not. So anyway,
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Speaker 1: that's where we're at with Meninda. They've got to really
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Speaker 1: two tracks of a way to be released, and I
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Speaker 1: really don't. I wasn't so sure before if they would
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Speaker 1: be released, and now I'm like, I think these I
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Speaker 1: think these guys are going to get out of prison
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Speaker 1: right and relatively soon.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe very well. So yeah you might be having
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Speaker 2: lunch with them sooner than you thought I might.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it could happen. I mean my life keeps
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Speaker 1: coming full circle. So I feel like, you know, I
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Speaker 1: could sit down, maybe have we could do a little
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Speaker 1: podcast with them, maybe maybe all right. Also, Eric Menindez
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Speaker 1: has been hospitalized diagnosed with the serious medical condition.
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Speaker 2: Is that the kidney sounds.
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Speaker 1: Well, it says kidney issue. I don't know. Eric Menindez
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Speaker 1: family has confirmed he's in the hospital and has been
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Speaker 1: diagnosed with a serious medical condition. A number of US
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Speaker 1: outlets are reporting that Menindaz has a kidney issue all this,
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Speaker 1: although this has not been publicly confirmed. Menindaz was taken
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Speaker 1: from the San Diego prison in which he has been
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Speaker 1: held for years, to an outside medical facility. Mark Geragos,
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Speaker 1: who he appeared on TMZ, was calling for Eric Menindez's
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Speaker 1: immediate release, saying it's a serious condition and he thinks
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Speaker 1: that the parole should be furloughed. Parole furloughed, I believe
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Speaker 1: that means like just parole them and they can be
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Speaker 1: just out because he has a medical conditioning he needs
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Speaker 1: to be out.
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Speaker 2: So I guess that serious sounds more than serious sounds
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Speaker 2: more than kidney stones. It might be like kidney failure
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Speaker 2: or infection or something.
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Speaker 1: Right, he says, I think the proper term, and he
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Speaker 1: could be medically furloughed in advance of the hearing so
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Speaker 1: that he can work with the parole attorney and get
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Speaker 1: up to s eat and be ready and do it
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Speaker 1: and give it his best shot. I think that's the
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Speaker 1: only fair and equitable thing to do, so basically saying
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Speaker 1: they should just be paroled early. He can work with
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Speaker 1: the parole attorney and then they can work things out
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Speaker 1: and hopefully he gets medical attention and release. So we
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Speaker 1: will continue to follow the Meninda's brothers. Let's go into
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Speaker 1: just a little update on Lively versus Baldoni. I actually
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Speaker 1: got really sick of talking about Blake Lively. She just
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Speaker 1: to me, in my humble opinion, I'm going to get
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Speaker 1: served a subpoena just by talking about her, So I
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Speaker 1: have to be careful. Hopefully they don't listen. Legally.
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Speaker 2: Brunette, you're I don't know what you think you have,
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Speaker 2: what kind of leverage you have to pull on that?
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm only saying that because I don't know if
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Speaker 1: you've followed it, but apparently she sent subpoenas to all
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Speaker 1: these little tiny content creators.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so we're really tiny then because we didn't
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Speaker 2: get didn't.
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Speaker 1: Get well, we didn't get a subpoena. So apparently we're
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Speaker 1: not on the road.
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Speaker 2: Maybe one day, maybe I can get.
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Speaker 1: So Blake Lively drops her controversial investigation into small time
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Speaker 1: content creators. So apparently she's now dropping a lot of
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Speaker 1: these subpoenas. All these content creators were going nuts. I mean,
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Speaker 1: they didn't know, and this is an issue. First of all,
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Speaker 1: these are just a lot of them are just young
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Speaker 1: people that are out there.
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Speaker 2: It's not it's not their d job creating their content, creators.
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Speaker 1: Their opinions.
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Speaker 2: And she was.
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Speaker 1: Subpoena and subpoena in ing, subpoena ninging, subpoena ing.
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Speaker 2: I can't even say that, say it subpoening.
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Speaker 1: You can't say it either.
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Speaker 2: No, But you know what a word that ends an
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Speaker 2: ing is called what a Jarrand oh well, thank you, sir.
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Speaker 2: The jarand of subpoena is very difficult.
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Speaker 1: It is very difficult. I'm just gonna say she sent subpoenas.
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Speaker 1: But the problem was these subpoenas were very overreaching. She
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Speaker 1: wanted bank statements and communications because her thinking, or her
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Speaker 1: attorneys thinking, was that these content creators, who were all
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Speaker 1: basically pro just some Baldoni, that there's no way they
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Speaker 1: could have been pro justin Baldoni unless they were getting
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Speaker 1: paid from this camp. So they were asking for bank
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Speaker 1: statements because they were looking for proof that, like all
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Speaker 1: these content creators were being you know, paid to create
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Speaker 1: content that goes against her.
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Speaker 2: What she's thinking is why didn't we think of that? Right,
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Speaker 2: we're gonna take them down? Why didn't we think of that?
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Speaker 1: But you know what that goes to again, This is
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Speaker 1: what I keep thinking when I read about this stuff,
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Speaker 1: is that her ego is so out of control.
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Speaker 2: Well, she's like making Markle. She just doesn't she has
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Speaker 2: no she's toned deaf with like no self awareness.
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Speaker 1: No, Like she couldn't think, hey, I look bad because
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Speaker 1: I just look bad. It has to be I look
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Speaker 1: bad and they're making me look bad because they're getting
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Speaker 1: paid to make me look bad.
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Speaker 2: It couldn't be that they really think that I look
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Speaker 2: because I look bad. I don't look bad, right, and
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Speaker 2: making Marco friends. I don't know, probably, i'd imagine, so
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Speaker 2: they'd probably get along. Do they share the same our
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Speaker 2: crisis team?
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Speaker 1: Wow? I feel like when you have a PR crisis team, like,
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Speaker 1: you shouldn't brag about it.
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Speaker 2: You shouldn't be playing victim.
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Speaker 1: Right, But whatever, we'll move on from that. In court
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Speaker 1: documents obtained by US Weekly, Lively's legal team and form
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Speaker 1: the court of her decision to withdraw the subpoenas on
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Speaker 1: July twenty, six, days after the YouTubers asked the judge
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Speaker 1: to intervene. I know a lot of I watched some
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Speaker 1: of this content, and a lot of these YouTubers and
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Speaker 1: small time content makers, they were really freaking out because
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Speaker 1: they didn't have because they don't have the money to
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Speaker 1: go and hire their attorneys.
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Speaker 2: Nor do they nor did they have any interest, like
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Speaker 2: any anticipation. They didn't assume that they'd be taken in
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Speaker 2: hauled into court. They were just sharing on their Instagram
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Speaker 2: accounts like news, and they probably shared lots of news
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Speaker 2: or whatever.
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Speaker 1: It's pop culture, right, and it's also to me, it's
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Speaker 1: also forbid.
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Speaker 2: People don't like like Lively.
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Speaker 1: I mean allowed, right, I mean lots of people don't
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Speaker 1: like me.
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Speaker 2: That's correct. We could just I've met some of them.
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Speaker 2: We could just go through my idea. May or may
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Speaker 2: not be one on the couchrade.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And a letter submitted to the judge,
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Speaker 1: Lively's attorneys stated, based on the third party's representations made
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Speaker 1: and meet and confers, public statements and or information provided
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Speaker 1: in their moving papers, there is no further information required
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Speaker 1: from the subpoenas as to these specific third parties at
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Speaker 1: this time, they continued. Miss Lively has therefore withdrawn the
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Speaker 1: subpoenas as to them. You know, and I think the
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Speaker 1: reason that they withdrew the subpoenas is because they just
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Speaker 1: keep getting more backlash, Like I don't understand their decision
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Speaker 1: making process where they just keep making movements forward that
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Speaker 1: that create more backlash.
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, And they're probably not getting the
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Speaker 2: greatest advice in the attorneys. I'm sure the attorneys are thinking,
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Speaker 2: look at all those billable hours.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, at the end of the day, did the
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Speaker 1: attorney's care. They don't care. They don't care what her
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Speaker 1: reputation is.
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Speaker 2: Bla's going to send her zealously until she stops paying exactly.
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Speaker 2: That's really all it is right.
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Speaker 1: But that's a lot of bill Can you imagine the
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Speaker 1: billable hours it took to send all those subpoena out
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Speaker 1: to all those content creators? What I mean, her legal
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Speaker 1: fees are astronomical At this point, it's her problem. Lively's
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Speaker 1: lawyers also have also sent subpoenas to outspoken critics of hers,
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Speaker 1: including Perez Hilton and Candace Owens. As for the next steps,
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Speaker 1: Lively's scheduled deposition has been delayed and she will no
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Speaker 1: longer be questioned by Baldoni's attorneys on Juel High thirty first.
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Speaker 1: I was actually in New York City when she was
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Speaker 1: supposed to be deposed, and I know Brian Friedman was
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Speaker 1: in New York City at the same time. I was
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Speaker 1: hoping to just, you know, randomly run into everyone else.
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Speaker 2: Position Hello, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: I thought this was a watch Why it Happens Live.
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Speaker 1: I'm in the wrong studio.
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Speaker 2: But unfortunately, I don't think they do depots and studios.
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Speaker 1: Why not? I mean, these are all these are all
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Speaker 1: entertainment people. Anyway, Well, I I don't know the exact
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Speaker 1: details of why did not take place. It did not
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Speaker 1: take place.
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Speaker 2: Probably Megan Markle, She's probably like, you don't have to
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Speaker 2: show up to those things.
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Speaker 1: Well, you'd think those two are best friends and they're
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Speaker 1: giving each other advice and people.
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Speaker 2: They're totally tone deaf with what the public thinks of it.
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Speaker 1: So anyway, then her deposition got scheduled again.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know you had a soft spot for megian Markle.
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Speaker 1: I don't at all. So I did, but I didn't
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Speaker 1: know you disliked her so much.
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Speaker 2: She's very tone deaf.
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Speaker 1: The case is set to proceed to trial on March ninth,
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, where both sides will finally have their
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Speaker 1: day in court. I don't know. I still I still
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Speaker 1: feel like at this point, Blake Lively needs to just
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Speaker 1: like back out, let it go, try to save some face.
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Speaker 1: I say that every time we talk about it, but
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Speaker 1: it just seems like every time I say she needs
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Speaker 1: to say face and back out, she does something more outrageous.
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Speaker 2: So so what, you know, what's their next move? There
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Speaker 2: was a new date.
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Speaker 1: For her to be deposed, and then I just read
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Speaker 1: as I was like googling more information that that.
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Speaker 2: She's getting movie deals. So what's she so busy with
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Speaker 2: that she can't do the depot?
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. You should ask her or
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Speaker 1: ask Megan Markle your friend.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to slip in their DMS.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me know how that goes. So we're gonna
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Speaker 1: move on to Brian Coberger. I did not think we've
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Speaker 1: already done a full episode if you guys haven't listened
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Speaker 1: to it on the Idaho murders and Brian Coberger. Actually,
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Speaker 1: I don't even like to use his name reference now, Okay,
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Speaker 1: So a lot of these people that are talking about
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Speaker 1: the Idaho murder case are referring to I don't like
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Speaker 1: to use killer, mister killer as inmate number blah blah
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Speaker 1: blah blah.
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Speaker 2: Well not bloo, it's not okay, go ahead, it's the
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Speaker 2: number one six three two, one.
17:36
Speaker 1: Four, one six three two one four Okay. So now
17:40
Speaker 1: every single one six three, I can't remember that one
17:43
Speaker 1: six three two.
17:45
Speaker 2: How about inmate nutcase.
17:48
Speaker 1: Inmate psychopo. Let's just call him psychopath and may leave
17:51
Speaker 1: it at that. So now we know the gag order
17:53
Speaker 1: has been lifted on this case because he took a
17:56
Speaker 1: plea deal. So when he took the plea deal, all
17:59
Speaker 1: this evidence that had been preserved, the witnesses that were
18:01
Speaker 1: under a gag order. Now everyone is coming forward. All
18:05
Speaker 1: this information is coming out daily. He took a plea deal.
18:08
Speaker 1: He's in prison, so now it's done, it's over. So
18:12
Speaker 1: now there's all this detailed information coming forward. So there's
18:15
Speaker 1: more than three hundred documents were released by the Moscow
18:17
Speaker 1: Police Department. The new documents shed light on the brutality
18:21
Speaker 1: of the slayings, details about the days and weeks that
18:23
Speaker 1: led up to the murders, and the extensive pool of
18:26
Speaker 1: evidence that investigators have been gathering against mister psychopath. Okay,
18:33
Speaker 1: so let's just go through some of this new information
18:35
Speaker 1: that's come forward. The bodies were found brutally savage, and
18:39
Speaker 1: this is I.
18:40
Speaker 2: Did we okay not to do we not know that?
18:42
Speaker 2: Though I thought we assumed, we assume.
18:45
Speaker 1: Now this is what we knew before all this information
18:47
Speaker 1: is coming forward. We knew that four college students were
18:50
Speaker 1: murdered with a knife. Okay, and that's really the exciting We.
18:54
Speaker 2: Assumed it was gruesome, but it's just showing it's much
18:56
Speaker 2: more gruesome now. Kaylee's the intended target.
19:00
Speaker 1: That's what they think. Yeah, they think that Kaylee is
19:02
Speaker 1: the intended target.
19:04
Speaker 2: And that is that because there was some connection with
19:05
Speaker 2: him in her like DMS or something.
19:07
Speaker 1: No, the police have come forward and the investigators have
19:10
Speaker 1: said that there is no evidence that there was any
19:13
Speaker 1: kind of interaction with him.
19:14
Speaker 2: On why do we believe Kaylee's the first was the target?
19:17
Speaker 1: Now that all this stuff is coming forward, there have
19:19
Speaker 1: been witnesses have come forward and said that days leading
19:22
Speaker 1: up to the murder that Kaylee had thought she was
19:24
Speaker 1: being followed by someone and that she had some.
19:26
Speaker 2: Sort of stalker okay.
19:27
Speaker 1: And also they think maybe Kaylee was the intended victim
19:30
Speaker 1: because she was the only one that had the injuries
19:32
Speaker 1: where he actually choked her asphyxiated her, and none of
19:37
Speaker 1: the other ones did So that was more I guess
19:39
Speaker 1: you could say from a psychological perspective, that was more
19:42
Speaker 1: of a intimate type killing. That was more of a
19:45
Speaker 1: personal something. That's so that's why they think she was
19:48
Speaker 1: the intended victim. Okay. So Maddie and Kaylee were the
19:51
Speaker 1: first two. They're on the third floor. Mattie Morgan had
19:54
Speaker 1: visible cuts on her forearm and hands and severe facial trauma.
19:59
Speaker 1: That's new. We did not know that her face was
20:02
Speaker 1: basically disfigured, so from a weapon or well, it says
20:07
Speaker 1: Madison had a gash under her right eye which appeared
20:10
Speaker 1: to go from the corner of her eye to her nose. Kaylee,
20:14
Speaker 1: who we think was the intended victim, suffered such facial
20:17
Speaker 1: injuries that she was nearly disfigured. And actually one of
20:21
Speaker 1: the housemates that survived that tried to identify the body
20:25
Speaker 1: identified her wrong in the beginning because she was so
20:28
Speaker 1: completely disfigured. I guess they now think that there was
20:32
Speaker 1: a second murder weapon, not just the knife that has
20:35
Speaker 1: never been found, but they found the knife sheath. But
20:38
Speaker 1: apparently Kaylee's wounds to her face had some sort of
20:42
Speaker 1: like diagonal pattern, like blunt force trauma, So that's how
20:46
Speaker 1: he disfigured her face.
20:47
Speaker 2: So there is some second Okay, so we're stepping upstairs
20:50
Speaker 2: with the first two murders.
20:51
Speaker 1: We're still on the third floor.
20:52
Speaker 2: Downstairs, Yeah, and there's people downstairs. Well, you said third floor.
20:57
Speaker 1: He started on the third floor, Okay.
20:58
Speaker 2: So is anyone on the second fl do we know?
21:00
Speaker 1: Yes, So he started on the third floor. That's Kaylee
21:02
Speaker 1: and Madison. So we just talked about their wounds. Then
21:06
Speaker 1: he goes down to the second floor. I don't know,
21:09
Speaker 1: perhaps he was leaving, and they think that maybe in
21:12
Speaker 1: the hallway he ran into Xana because this is the
21:14
Speaker 1: same timeframe when Xana got a door dash delivery, so
21:18
Speaker 1: she had gone down to the kitchen to get food
21:21
Speaker 1: right at the same time that he's in the house.
21:23
Speaker 1: So they think that possibly he ran into her on
21:26
Speaker 1: the hallway and then they went fight whatever happened, and
21:30
Speaker 1: he followed her into her bedroom on the second floor.
21:33
Speaker 1: So now we're to Xana.
21:35
Speaker 2: This is why you always ask me to go get
21:37
Speaker 2: your door dash late at night.
21:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you kidding?
21:39
Speaker 2: You're like, can you go down? And says you get
21:40
Speaker 2: my DoorDash?
21:40
Speaker 1: I never go get the door dash.
21:42
Speaker 2: I'm not getting murdered. Let my husband do that.
21:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why do you think I have so much
21:49
Speaker 1: life insurance on you? All right, so now let's go
21:54
Speaker 1: back to Xana. Here. The Xana one is the most
21:59
Speaker 1: confusing for me.
22:00
Speaker 2: So I'm sorry, what floor is on the third? Second?
22:09
Speaker 1: There's so many floors in this house. Well, I guess
22:13
Speaker 1: there's there's three, but it feels like a lot. It
22:15
Speaker 1: feels like there's a lot in this house and there's
22:17
Speaker 1: a lot of people. All Right, we are now on
22:20
Speaker 1: the second floor. Okay, we started on the third floor.
22:22
Speaker 1: He's leaving, he's going down to the second.
22:24
Speaker 2: Floor, and what happens on the second floor He.
22:26
Speaker 1: Runs into Xana allegedly and then I mean, we don't
22:29
Speaker 1: nobody know.
22:30
Speaker 2: This is believed to be right.
22:32
Speaker 1: I mean, we're just putting it together based on the
22:34
Speaker 1: evidence and what they know. So apparently he runs into Xana.
22:37
Speaker 1: There's a and then they go into the second floor
22:40
Speaker 1: bedroom and Xana is sharing the bedroom with Ethan, her boyfriend.
22:44
Speaker 1: Ethan is in the bed asleep. This is the part
22:46
Speaker 1: where I'm completely confused, he gets. They get in a
22:50
Speaker 1: fight like a I mean, Xanna is going hard, like
22:55
Speaker 1: they're not in that. They're in the bedroom at the
22:57
Speaker 1: end of the bed. So Xana's body was found at
22:59
Speaker 1: the end of the bed on the floor, so she
23:01
Speaker 1: is not in the bed. They have a vicious, brutal
23:06
Speaker 1: fight between the two of them.
23:07
Speaker 2: And Ethans sound asleep and Ethan's in the bed asleep.
23:10
Speaker 1: This is what I don't understand. Xanna's like fighting it
23:14
Speaker 1: out with a killer in her.
23:16
Speaker 2: Bed, passed out or something.
23:18
Speaker 1: How do you not hear? I don't know if I'm
23:21
Speaker 1: getting murdered at the end of our bed, you better
23:23
Speaker 1: get up.
23:24
Speaker 2: I will and do something. I get up when you
23:27
Speaker 2: have to go to the bathroom, and then you say
23:28
Speaker 2: turn the ac on right.
23:30
Speaker 1: So, if I'm getting murdered at the end of our bed,
23:33
Speaker 1: can you please get up and fight the guy?
23:36
Speaker 2: Well, the question is why didn't he wake up? Assuming
23:39
Speaker 2: he was asleep? I didn't say that sleep or did
23:42
Speaker 2: he wake up? He's still alive? Right?
23:44
Speaker 1: No?
23:45
Speaker 2: Oh? And then he was killed too, Yes, he's number four. Yes,
23:49
Speaker 2: So how do we know he's asleep during this whole time?
23:51
Speaker 1: Well, I don't. I can't confirm that he's asleep.
23:53
Speaker 2: But why did you say he was asleep? I didn't
23:55
Speaker 2: say he was.
23:56
Speaker 1: This is what I'm confused about. I know he was
23:59
Speaker 1: in the bed. He's in the bed, and Xana is
24:02
Speaker 1: at the foot of the bed fighting it out with
24:04
Speaker 1: the murderer. She gets stabbed over fifty times. She has
24:07
Speaker 1: defensive wound.
24:08
Speaker 2: And you're assuming that Ethan didn't Now and now I'm
24:11
Speaker 2: going to defend Ethan. You're assuming that he didn't do anything.
24:14
Speaker 2: You don't know that. How do you know he didn't
24:16
Speaker 2: wake up and challenge this guy? And then he's in
24:19
Speaker 2: the scuffle too.
24:20
Speaker 1: Because as far as I know, he doesn't have defensive wounds,
24:22
Speaker 1: and they found him asleep in the bed. I mean
24:24
Speaker 1: they found him in the bed.
24:25
Speaker 2: Okay, so how was he killed?
24:27
Speaker 1: He was stabbed?
24:28
Speaker 2: Okay, So maybe as a possibility, he is killed first,
24:32
Speaker 2: and then she wakes up and he fights with her,
24:36
Speaker 2: and this guy's incapacitated.
24:37
Speaker 1: If he was killing Ethan first, then Xanna, I would
24:40
Speaker 1: assume she's pretty feisty. She's got fifty defensive wounds, she's
24:44
Speaker 1: fastist guy.
24:45
Speaker 2: He was stabbed first. He was stabbed, and he was incapacitated.
24:50
Speaker 2: She jumps up and she's fighting and she's defensive.
24:53
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, maybe that's a good theory.
24:55
Speaker 2: We think about it. If you have a male and
24:57
Speaker 2: a female in a bed, and you have a killer
24:59
Speaker 2: in the room, who's and the killer wants to kill
25:01
Speaker 2: them both? Who's he going to kill first? He's probably
25:04
Speaker 2: going to go after the mail.
25:06
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that's a good theory. I like your theory.
25:09
Speaker 2: We'll go with that, okay, thank you. All Right, See
25:12
Speaker 2: what happens if you listen to me once in a while.
25:14
Speaker 1: I don't like to listen to you anyway. The other
25:16
Speaker 1: question I have is there is a dog in the house,
25:18
Speaker 1: and I cannot understand what the first of all dog,
25:22
Speaker 1: I don't know his name. I don't know what his
25:25
Speaker 1: name's Murphy. And they find Murphy the next day in
25:30
Speaker 1: a room so one. I don't know how Murphy just
25:33
Speaker 1: got into this room, like shut in a room.
25:35
Speaker 2: Maybe he was always put to sleep in a different
25:37
Speaker 2: room or something.
25:38
Speaker 1: I don't know. But I have three dogs, and I'm
25:40
Speaker 1: telling you, if there was a like multiple murders taking
25:43
Speaker 1: place in the house, our dogs would be going nuts.
25:47
Speaker 2: No one would two would run away, two.
25:48
Speaker 1: Would run away. One would fight, Yes, but they would bark,
25:51
Speaker 1: they would there would be noise, they would be.
25:54
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just need to know what kind
25:55
Speaker 2: of dog Murphy is.
25:56
Speaker 1: Why do you need to know what kind of dog?
25:58
Speaker 2: It makes a difference.
25:58
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think he's a German Shepherd or anything
26:00
Speaker 1: like that. I think he's he's a.
26:02
Speaker 2: Gold See, he's a golden doodle.
26:05
Speaker 1: That's why Murphy. That's why Murphy didn't jump in see
26:08
Speaker 1: the mystery saw. Murphy was like, I gotta do my
26:13
Speaker 1: golden doodle thing. I'm just gonna hang out over here. See,
26:17
Speaker 1: I have a German shepherd husky mix named Togo. And
26:19
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that dog would fight to the better
26:22
Speaker 1: bitter end for my life.
26:24
Speaker 2: Unless the person has a vacuum or an he is
26:27
Speaker 2: scared run away.
26:31
Speaker 1: That is true. This is how you could kill me.
26:33
Speaker 1: Bring a vacuum, my.
26:34
Speaker 2: Dog, run the house clean, could kill you, and he'd
26:39
Speaker 2: be You wouldn't do anything. That is true.
26:43
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you for that, all right. Ethan Chapin is
26:46
Speaker 1: believed to have been killed in his sleep with a
26:48
Speaker 1: stab wound that severed the jugular vein in his neck. Well,
26:51
Speaker 1: I guess that's a clean, fast kill. So I don't know.
26:54
Speaker 1: So you think he went into the room, saw that
26:57
Speaker 1: there was a male, killed him first, and then he
27:00
Speaker 1: and Xanna fought it out.
27:01
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, okay, whatever, all right. I'm still I'm
27:06
Speaker 2: still I still have to say.
27:07
Speaker 1: I am still confused by the fact that there are
27:09
Speaker 1: two other roommates in the house. It's three floors. He
27:12
Speaker 1: murders four people in the span of like ten minutes.
27:16
Speaker 1: Tops right, that he murders four people, and we know
27:19
Speaker 1: that he and Xanna I had a fight. She's got
27:23
Speaker 1: all these defensive wounds. There's a dog in the house.
27:26
Speaker 1: I mean there had to have been screaming.
27:29
Speaker 2: Was there?
27:29
Speaker 1: I mean, was it? I don't understand that. Was it quiet?
27:33
Speaker 2: How many survivors from this home?
27:34
Speaker 1: There's two, But I don't understand why there wasn't more sound,
27:39
Speaker 1: more reaction, Like why if he's murdering them and there's
27:43
Speaker 1: defensive woes and there's fighting, why is there not more?
27:47
Speaker 2: Again, there are college students. It was their outlaid and
27:51
Speaker 2: they go to a food truck and things like that.
27:52
Speaker 2: Isn't it possible that they were drunk and passed out
27:57
Speaker 2: or just you know, I don't mean to say I'm
27:58
Speaker 2: not trying to judge them, but I'm just saying, like,
28:00
Speaker 2: you know, that's possible.
28:02
Speaker 1: I know about it.
28:02
Speaker 2: I partied out, yeah, but I.
28:04
Speaker 1: Don't feel like I'd ever been so incapacitated that if
28:06
Speaker 1: I heard like a major fight going on that I
28:10
Speaker 1: I it's inclined.
28:12
Speaker 2: I agree, it's questionable.
28:12
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think they're involved in any way.
28:14
Speaker 1: I just don't understand how.
28:17
Speaker 2: I'm sure that they also questioned that themselves, and I'm
28:20
Speaker 2: sure they don't feel good about the fact that they
28:21
Speaker 2: slept through it all.
28:22
Speaker 1: No, they have survivor guilt and all this trauma. Now,
28:25
Speaker 1: I mean, these I feel sorry for what they went through.
28:27
Speaker 1: So Bethany Funk, one of the two surviving roommates, told
28:31
Speaker 1: police she was awoken by what sounded like a firecracker
28:34
Speaker 1: and noticed a flashing light through the bottom of her door.
28:37
Speaker 1: According to a police report, she and Dylan those are
28:39
Speaker 1: the two surviving roommates, spoke by phone. Dylan later said
28:45
Speaker 1: the mail in black was walking out the back door
28:48
Speaker 1: and they had made eye contact with each other, and
28:50
Speaker 1: that he was white, with a big nose and holding
28:53
Speaker 1: a small vacuum type object. I read it was a container,
28:57
Speaker 1: like a container. And then some people speculated that he
29:01
Speaker 1: took the door dash food, like did he get a
29:03
Speaker 1: container from the kitchen and.
29:04
Speaker 2: Like take the food with him? I don't know.
29:06
Speaker 1: I don't know either, but she said it looked like
29:08
Speaker 1: he was holding like a container when he left when
29:11
Speaker 1: he got the one girl that saw him leaving, that's odd.
29:15
Speaker 2: And the firecracker, well, if assuming that she saw it
29:18
Speaker 2: correctly and it wasn't like she was just traumatized and
29:20
Speaker 2: you know a lot of images in her head that
29:24
Speaker 2: you think that's a gun.
29:26
Speaker 1: Well you would think, but there's no shells, and there's
29:28
Speaker 1: no bullets and nobody has any bullet one and then.
29:30
Speaker 2: That you would beg the question of why did anyone
29:33
Speaker 2: wake up if there was a gunshots or firecrackers. There's
29:35
Speaker 2: at least firecrackers.
29:37
Speaker 1: Well that's what they said. They said, she said she
29:38
Speaker 1: saw like a light in something that sounded like a firecracker. Again,
29:41
Speaker 1: they didn't call the police. By the way, they saw
29:44
Speaker 1: an intruder leaving with a to go container and they
29:49
Speaker 1: saw or heard something that looked like a firetra that.
29:52
Speaker 2: I mean, it's three floors, there's a number of college kids,
29:56
Speaker 2: there's probably a lot of people that come and go,
29:58
Speaker 2: so it was probably enough for them to initially think, oh,
30:01
Speaker 2: it's just a visitor or friend or whatever for the
30:03
Speaker 2: third floor or whatever, and then maybe they got a
30:06
Speaker 2: little spooked and scared, and then the guy walks out.
30:09
Speaker 2: So I mean, I can imagine something like that happening.
30:11
Speaker 2: I think also said, you're just on this impression. When
30:14
Speaker 2: the murder take place, everyone's supposed to just jump up
30:16
Speaker 2: and react and attack the murder or run away and
30:19
Speaker 2: call police in two seconds. And the dog's supposed attack
30:21
Speaker 2: regardless of the pot it.
30:23
Speaker 1: Just seems like that's what would happen with four people
30:25
Speaker 1: being murdered in the midst of the night. But so
30:28
Speaker 1: Dylan went down to Bethany's room, and the two tried
30:32
Speaker 1: calling their roommates, but no one picked up. They didn't
30:34
Speaker 1: call the police immediately because they were drunk and groggy
30:37
Speaker 1: and from the night before and thought the situation might
30:40
Speaker 1: just be a misunderstanding. I do understand that these girls
30:45
Speaker 1: are young, and that they're in college, and that they've
30:47
Speaker 1: been drinking, and I also know that their house was
30:48
Speaker 1: considered like a party house, see, and so I think
30:52
Speaker 1: when she saw someone leaving, instead of thinking that's an
30:56
Speaker 1: intruder that just killed my roommates, it's easier to think
30:59
Speaker 1: that's just someone I was here partying and drink and
31:03
Speaker 1: is now leaving out a side door. So I mean
31:06
Speaker 1: what I said. She said she even thought that it
31:09
Speaker 1: was possibly a prank by one of Ethan's fraternity brothers.
31:12
Speaker 1: So later on Bethanye will.
31:15
Speaker 2: Say that when I was in college, yeah, with it
31:17
Speaker 2: in a house and the upstairs was not connected downstairs,
31:20
Speaker 2: there was a stairway that was outside right that went
31:22
Speaker 2: up and there was about six to seven guys upstairs
31:25
Speaker 2: and six to seven guys downstairs, and both doors upstairs
31:29
Speaker 2: and downstairs. We never locked ever, we didn't even have
31:31
Speaker 2: a key to it.
31:32
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think they locked this door.
31:33
Speaker 2: Came in and out all the.
31:35
Speaker 1: Time, and I think this is what this house was like.
31:37
Speaker 1: There was like a sliding glass door. I think it
31:39
Speaker 1: was always unlocked. I think it was considered the party house.
31:42
Speaker 1: And I think you think that this coming and going.
31:44
Speaker 2: This guy stood out there and maybe saw them people
31:47
Speaker 2: going in and out and realized it's unlocked. I can
31:49
Speaker 2: go in and out.
31:50
Speaker 1: Well, probably because he had been stalking their house and
31:52
Speaker 1: he made several drive bys. So later on, Bethany calls
31:57
Speaker 1: her parents at seven thirty am about a toothache before
31:59
Speaker 1: going back to sleep. When she woke up again around eleven,
32:02
Speaker 1: she noticed the house was still unusually quiet. She also
32:05
Speaker 1: noted that Xanna's Snapchat location wasn't on when it should
32:08
Speaker 1: have been, so then Dylan and Bethany call and asked
32:12
Speaker 1: two friends to come over because they were scared. When
32:15
Speaker 1: one friend went upstairs and saw something concerning, they urged
32:19
Speaker 1: Bethany and Dylan to leave the house and call for help.
32:22
Speaker 1: According to the report, Bethany saw Xana's body through a
32:27
Speaker 1: cracked bedroom door, wearing just a sweatshirt and her underwear.
32:30
Speaker 1: And then that is when they dialed nine one one.
32:32
Speaker 1: And this is at noon, So noon, yeah.
32:37
Speaker 2: That's when they pretty much woke up.
32:38
Speaker 1: And well that's when they finally were I mean they
32:42
Speaker 1: saw a body and a friend came over the.
32:44
Speaker 2: Time they woke up and like, how much time passed
32:46
Speaker 2: with them in the morning.
32:47
Speaker 1: Without Yeah, I said, at seven thirty am, she was
32:49
Speaker 1: calling her parents saying she had a toothache, but then
32:51
Speaker 1: she went back to sleep. Yeah, and then at eleven
32:55
Speaker 1: she wakes up and see.
32:56
Speaker 2: They slept in So they were passed out. They were
32:58
Speaker 2: all crashed from parting or whatever it was, or just
33:01
Speaker 2: staying up late.
33:03
Speaker 1: You know. Also they did you know they released those photos.
33:06
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw it, but there was
33:07
Speaker 1: a photo where you could see blood on the outside
33:09
Speaker 1: of the house.
33:10
Speaker 2: It was dripping through from where like a window cell
33:13
Speaker 2: or something.
33:14
Speaker 1: It's not from a window, it was from just like
33:15
Speaker 1: when you see a house the found you can see
33:17
Speaker 1: the foundations from the I don't it was from Ethan
33:23
Speaker 1: because Ethan's on the second floor. It had dripped down
33:26
Speaker 1: and it was coming out. You could see it from
33:28
Speaker 1: the sighting coming down onto the foundation and they released
33:32
Speaker 1: those photos, but no one knew who it was from.
33:34
Speaker 1: And then it was later once these knew all this
33:36
Speaker 1: new evidence has been released, it was from from Ethan.
33:48
Speaker 2: So Kaylee.
33:50
Speaker 1: This is why they thought Kaylee was the intended victim,
33:52
Speaker 1: because she thought she was being followed, and the weeks
33:54
Speaker 1: leading up to her death, Kaylee reportedly shared several unsettling
33:58
Speaker 1: experiences with her room. This is according to these new
34:01
Speaker 1: police documents that have been released. One roommate recalled that
34:04
Speaker 1: Kaylee mentioned that she felt that someone had been following
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Speaker 1: her for two or three weeks prior to the attack.
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Speaker 1: In one instance, she reportedly saw a shadow while she
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Speaker 1: was outside with her dog, around the same time she
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Speaker 1: spotted an unknown man above their off campus house staring
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Speaker 1: at her when she took the dog outside. Investigators noted
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Speaker 1: these accounts and their reports, though they did not link
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Speaker 1: the suspect, Brian, to any of these earlier incidents. I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, we know that he was talking
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Speaker 1: in the house.
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Speaker 2: So if a child calls you and says, I think
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Speaker 2: someone's been following me, I mean, how would we respond, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, I don't know. I was just thinking the same
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Speaker 1: thing because we're parents, and Shelby's obviously, Shane's oldest daughter
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Speaker 1: is in was in college, and Chanelle's in college his
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Speaker 1: second oldest daughter. And if one of them called you
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Speaker 1: and said that they thought they were being followed and
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Speaker 1: they saw a man, what would you do?
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Speaker 2: Well, I would ask questions to learn, but I think
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Speaker 2: I would take action in depending on what it was.
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Speaker 2: You know, I would want them to not be alone.
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Speaker 2: I would probably you know, if are they following you
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Speaker 2: to your apartment? Do we need to like relocate you
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Speaker 2: or put you somewhere temporarily. I mean, I wouldn't just think, oh, well,
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Speaker 2: let's hope it stops.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I guess my question.
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Speaker 2: I know that Shelby Chanelle they call me when they're
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Speaker 2: walking late at night or something. They just don't want
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Speaker 2: to be alone, so that way they're at least on
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Speaker 2: the phone. I mean, you got to take measures. You
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Speaker 2: can't just downplay something is you can't just talk it
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Speaker 2: off as some weird guy that's following you. Yeah, did
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Speaker 2: they notify the parents of being No.
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Speaker 1: I think that's the issue. Was she never shared it
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Speaker 1: with her parents.
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Speaker 2: Parents, we're just talking about what we would do. I
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Speaker 2: would take action. I don't know what that would because
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Speaker 2: it would depend. Are they just falling around Walmart and
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Speaker 2: you've never seen him before after that? Or are they
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Speaker 2: around your apartment? You know? Are they your age? Are
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Speaker 2: you alone? And then based on the act to figure something out.
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Speaker 1: Also, according to all these new documents and evidence that
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Speaker 1: has been released, a redacted witness identified as a friend
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Speaker 1: and fellow WSU student told police that he saw noticeable
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Speaker 1: injuries on Brian Coberger in October and November of twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty two. The friend recalled seeing a scratch on Coburger's
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Speaker 1: face that resembled fingernail marks, as well as knuckle injuries
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Speaker 1: on more than one occasion. When questioned about the marks,
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Speaker 1: Coberger allegedly said that they were from a car accident.
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Speaker 1: Then another person comes forward and apparently he had a
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Speaker 1: tender match that had a chilling conversation with him. According
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Speaker 1: to the police reports, a woman who had matched with
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Speaker 1: Brian Coberger on tender.
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Speaker 2: I feel sad when this connection this is in.
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Speaker 1: Late twenty twenty two, came forward with a tip. In
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Speaker 1: March of twenty twenty four and was later interviewed by investigators.
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Speaker 1: She said that their conversations included topics like criminology, horror films,
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Speaker 1: and the murder of one of her friends. At one point,
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Speaker 1: Coberger aglation, no wonder they matched on tender she had
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Speaker 1: she had a friend that was.
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Speaker 2: Blood and you like him in blood. Yeah, you have.
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Speaker 1: A friend that was murdered. That's interesting because I'd like
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Speaker 1: to murder people. At one point, Coburger alleged asked her
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Speaker 1: her opinion on the worst way to die. When she
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Speaker 1: responded by knife, he reportedly followed up with a question
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Speaker 1: referencing a k bar type of combat knife.
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Speaker 2: Which we do know is that the weapon that was
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Speaker 2: supposedly used. Right, right prosecutors buy some firecrackers.
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Speaker 1: And some firecrackers. Apparently right prosecutors have said Coburger purchased
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Speaker 1: a k bar knife and sheath online prior to the murders.
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Speaker 1: We knew this, and we talked about this in the
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Speaker 1: prior podcast that we did, and that was if you
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Speaker 1: haven't listened to it and you don't know a lot
37:30
Speaker 1: of details of the case, that was how they eventually
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Speaker 1: caught Brian Coberger was because the knife, sheath was actually
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Speaker 1: left behind in Maddie and Kayley's bed, and they found
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Speaker 1: the DNA on the knife sheath. The knife, the actual
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Speaker 1: weapon that was used has never been found, but they
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Speaker 1: didn't find the sheath had a little DNA on it,
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Speaker 1: and the DNA testing is so amazing. It was found
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Speaker 1: in Kaylee and Maddie's bed.
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Speaker 2: He left it behind. Yeah, So what's logical and plausible
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Speaker 2: is he went to the third floor first to commit
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Speaker 2: his first murders. He pulls the knife out of the sheath,
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Speaker 2: goes through the murder transaction that leaves the heath, the
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Speaker 2: sheath sorry on the bed, goes downstairs, does some more murdering,
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Speaker 2: and then leaves and now it's upstairs. Right, So it
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Speaker 2: was first removed, right.
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Speaker 1: The woman told police that she eventually cut off all
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Speaker 1: communication with Coburger because his questions were unsettling to her.
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Speaker 1: Investigators later attempted to retrieve tender records related to her tip,
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Speaker 1: but reported no matches based on the information available. They
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Speaker 1: noted they would seek a warrant if more identifying detail surface.
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, is this someone who's just coming forward
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Speaker 1: and just putting themselves into a murder situation because they they're.
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Speaker 2: Because it's likes criminology.
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Speaker 1: Because weird people out there, right that like to get.
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Speaker 2: If they can look at the intended the price, see
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Speaker 2: a chat history or something like that.
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Speaker 1: Well, they said they couldn't find, they couldn't investigate.
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Speaker 2: At the end, doesn't change a whole lot. I guess
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Speaker 2: what they were looking for, see if there's any other
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Speaker 2: potential murder victims, right, because if they found him connected
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Speaker 2: with other tender people and those were murdered or something,
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Speaker 2: they can connect him. I'm sure that's what they were
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Speaker 2: looking for.
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Speaker 1: So Coburger's sole conversation with authorities was revealed. This is
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Speaker 1: after he's been arrested. Though Brian Coberger declined to answer
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Speaker 1: most questions following his arrest, he did briefly speak with
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Speaker 1: investigators during an initial interview in late twenty twenty two
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Speaker 1: at his family's Pennsylvania home. This is according to the
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Speaker 1: police records. At the start of the conversation, he expressed
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Speaker 1: concern for his parents and a dog in the wake
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Speaker 1: of the SWAT raid. He then made small talk mentioning
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Speaker 1: he was a doctoral student at Washington State University and
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Speaker 1: his goal of becoming a professor and the difficulty of
39:36
Speaker 1: getting into a PhD program, and I read a little
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Speaker 1: bit about the dog, like people weren't sure which dog
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Speaker 1: he was referencing. They didn't know if he was referencing Murphy,
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Speaker 1: the dog that was in the house, and that maybe
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Speaker 1: he possibly put the dog in the room and shut
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Speaker 1: the door so the dog was okay. I don't know, but.
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Speaker 2: That's a theory that's possible.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of unanswered questions that still remained. Law
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Speaker 1: enforce horsement records do not clarify whether investigators ever uncovered
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Speaker 1: a motive behind the murders or identified a definitive connection
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Speaker 1: between Coburger and the victims. During his sentencing, Judge Stephen
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Speaker 1: Hipler described Coburger as a faceless coward and noted that
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Speaker 1: while many seek to understand his reasons, doing so risk
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Speaker 1: giving him undue influence. The judge emphasized that the crimes
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Speaker 1: defied any sense of rational explanation, adding that Coburger's moment
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Speaker 1: in the spotlight should now be over. At a press
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Speaker 1: conference held Wednesday, officials confirmed that they had not recovered
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Speaker 1: the weapon or clothing believed to have been used in
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Speaker 1: the attack. Also, during his sentencing, the victims were allowed
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Speaker 1: to make victim impact statements. And I don't know if
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Speaker 1: anyone has watched Olivia's impact statement. She's the sister of KAYLEI.
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Speaker 1: Her statement to him was phenomenal. I watched the whole
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Speaker 1: thing if you have the opportunity to find it. It
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Speaker 1: went viral and watched. Her name's Olivia and she's she's
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Speaker 1: the older sister of Kaylee.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so Kaylee's sister. Olivia gave you victim's impact.
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Speaker 1: But she made the statement it was really on behalf
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Speaker 1: of Kaylee and Maddie because they were best friends and
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Speaker 1: they were the ones that were in the bed together.
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Speaker 1: They had been best friends their whole life since they
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Speaker 1: were little kids, so she knew one was her sister,
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Speaker 1: but she also felt like like Mattie was a little
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Speaker 1: sister too. This is just some of what she said.
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Speaker 1: This is just some excerpts because we obviously you're not
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Speaker 1: going to read the whole statement. But Olivia gunnsalvs which
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Speaker 1: is Kaylee's older sister, she addressed Coburger directly and she said,
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Speaker 1: sit up straight when I talk to you on why
41:36
Speaker 1: Kaylee would have retaliated, She said, if you had not
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Speaker 1: attacked them in their sleep, Kaylee would have kicked her
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Speaker 1: focking ass. She also called him a delusional, pathetic, hypochondriac loser,
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Speaker 1: insisting you didn't win, You aren't special or deep. No
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Speaker 1: one is scared of you. Today, she spoke on Maddie
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Speaker 1: and Kaylee's personalities, saying that they would have treated Coburger
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Speaker 1: with kindness if he had ever approached them and their
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Speaker 1: everyday lives. I also watched an interview with her after
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Speaker 1: the fact. I think it was on Good Morning America
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Speaker 1: or something like that, and it was really interesting to me.
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Speaker 1: She said that she for because she knew she was
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Speaker 1: going to give this victim impact statement, and she said
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Speaker 1: that she stalked him. She stalked the stalker. She said
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Speaker 1: she wanted to learn absolutely everything she possibly could about him,
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Speaker 1: so that when she gave this victim impact statement, it
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Speaker 1: wasn't She didn't say she wanted to do it for
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Speaker 1: Maddie and Kaylee. She wanted to do it on their behalf,
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Speaker 1: and so she really focused on him and making him
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Speaker 1: small and making him inadequate and just taking him down.
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Speaker 1: And she does. I don't know how she did it.
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Speaker 1: I have a sister. If I had to look at
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Speaker 1: my sister's killer. I don't think I could have gotten
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Speaker 1: through it, but she said it was I think maybe
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Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes. But she memorized the whole thing so
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Speaker 1: that she could look him in the eyes the entire time.
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Speaker 1: I want it was personal, too, campy, right, jab at
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Speaker 1: him right. And I really liked where she was coming from.
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Speaker 1: She didn't just stand up there and say, Maddie and
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Speaker 1: Kaylee were raised of sunshine and they were bright, you know,
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Speaker 1: and they are right. But she took a completely different
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Speaker 1: approach where it wasn't about them, it was just him,
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Speaker 1: and she found out every piece of information she could
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Speaker 1: about him so that she could just take him down.
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Speaker 1: And it was compelling, it was amazing. It was she
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Speaker 1: memorized it so she could look him in the eye
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Speaker 1: the whole time, and it was really good. If you
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Speaker 1: haven't watched the whole thing, I would suggest that you
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Speaker 1: find it. It's on TikTok, it's on YouTube, it's everywhere.
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Speaker 2: So it's Olivia's impact statement.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Olivia's yeah. And she also says on Good Morning
43:38
Speaker 1: America that she thoroughly thought that like she was going
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Speaker 1: to get arrested. I don't know why she thought she
43:42
Speaker 1: was going to get arrested. I don't know if it's
43:43
Speaker 1: because she felt like maybe it was too harsh, that
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Speaker 1: she'd be in contempt, but she even said that why,
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Speaker 1: she said.
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Speaker 2: Since I've seen some pretty good the only ones that
43:52
Speaker 2: they do get detained is when they like jump over
43:54
Speaker 2: the wall and you know, try to right. Even then
43:57
Speaker 2: sometimes judges like give him a warning. Yeah, like like
44:01
Speaker 2: you know, we can't be like that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. She also said, which I thought was interesting, that
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Speaker 1: she said when she was sitting in court before she
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Speaker 1: gave her victim impact statement, that she started to regret
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Speaker 1: or not. I don't know if the right word is regret,
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Speaker 1: but she started to change her victim impact statement because
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Speaker 1: his mother and sister were in court, and I think
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Speaker 1: maybe she she felt like maybe it was too harsh
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Speaker 1: or I mean I think.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I think maybe she still no.
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Speaker 1: I think maybe it was the thinking was is a mother,
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Speaker 1: I know, but I don't think she thought they would
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Speaker 1: be in court and I thought she no less badly
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Speaker 1: for them. Maybe maybe she had some compassion for them,
44:37
Speaker 1: But then ultimately she just she decided to just go
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Speaker 1: forward with it as is. She said she was trying
44:44
Speaker 1: to edit it and then she I think she said
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Speaker 1: her dad went. Did her dad go first? But anyway,
44:50
Speaker 1: when Kaylee's dad gave his victim impact statement, he grabbed
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Speaker 1: the podium and he pulled it up so that he
44:56
Speaker 1: was like right in front of Brian Coberger. And she
44:59
Speaker 1: said when she saw her dad do that, that that
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Speaker 1: gave her the confidence to just go up there and
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Speaker 1: say exactly what she was going to say. All right.
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Speaker 1: So a lot of other family members gave victim impact statements.
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Speaker 1: They were really more about the children and their personalities.
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Speaker 1: I think Olivia's was just the most compelling because of
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Speaker 1: the way she went about doing it. So where will
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Speaker 1: Coburger go now? Brian Coberger was sentenced to four consecutive
45:25
Speaker 1: life terms without parole at the Idaho Department of Correction.
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Speaker 1: It's located in Kuna, Idaho, about twenty miles from Boise,
45:31
Speaker 1: and it's an Idaho maximum security institution and it houses
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Speaker 1: the state's most disruptive male residents and has a double
45:39
Speaker 1: perimeter fence reinforced with razor wire and an electronic detection system.
45:44
Speaker 2: Is the emailing solitary confinement we know.
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Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but I do know that
45:49
Speaker 1: the facility was named one of the fifteen worst prisons
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Speaker 1: in America by Security Journal Americas in twenty twenty four,
45:56
Speaker 1: joining other notorious lockups like Antiqua Correctional Facility in New York,
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Speaker 1: San Quentin, and California, and a d X Florence, also
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Speaker 1: known as the Alcatraz. I mean the rock that means
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Speaker 1: the worst of the worst. Here's the thing. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what people feel like in prison about
46:15
Speaker 1: a man murdering for young you know, college students. So
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Speaker 1: we'll see how long.
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Speaker 2: Oh, how well he survives there?
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Speaker 1: Right, because Jeffrey Dahmer was killed in prison. There's they're
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Speaker 1: you know, child molesters.
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Speaker 2: And child and inmates have a hierarchy.
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Speaker 1: They do, they do, So we'll see. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: Brian Coberger. We'll see what happens in prison. But anyway,
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