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NO REMORSE, STONE-FACED NICK REINER 'SLIT PARENTS' THROATS,' ROB, MICHELLE REINER MURDERED · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: No remorse, no remorse whatsoever. Nick Reiner stone faced and
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  Speaker 2: court in the last hours, uttering only three.
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  Speaker 1: Words in front of the judge.
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  Speaker 2: This as the suspect is facing claims he slit his parents'
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  Speaker 2: throats in their sleep. Rob Reiner, his wife Michelle Singer,
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  Speaker 2: writer murdered. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I
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  Speaker 2: want to thank you for being with us. Brutal murder
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  Speaker 2: of Hollywood legend Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle.
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  Speaker 1: It was a horrific scene. There was blood everywhere, slaughtered
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  Speaker 1: in their own home.
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  Speaker 2: Swooping in is high profile lawyer Alan Jackjackson, who has
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  Speaker 2: represented the likes of Karen Reid, Harvey Weinstein, so many others.
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  Speaker 1: And this is what he has to say.
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  Speaker 3: There are very very complex and serious issues that are
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  Speaker 3: associated with this case. Therese need to be thoroughly but
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  Speaker 3: very carefully dealt with and examined and looked at and analyzed.
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  Speaker 3: This was a continuance of arrangement. Nothing happened today substantively.
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  Speaker 3: Will be back for an arrangement in the same department
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  Speaker 3: on the seventh of January and we'll see you then.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to analyze that.
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  Speaker 2: That's where our friends at Fox News joining me an
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  Speaker 2: all star panel. He says, there are very very complex,
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  Speaker 2: serious issues associated.
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  Speaker 1: With this case.
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  Speaker 2: In other words, how am I going to get paid?
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  Speaker 2: And what in the hey am I going to tell
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  Speaker 2: a jury my client was covered in his parents' blood
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  Speaker 2: he acted normally.
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  Speaker 1: There goes the mental defense.
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  Speaker 2: Those are the complex issues Alan Jackson is thinking about tonight,
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  Speaker 2: Very complex, serious.
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  Speaker 1: Issues associated with this case.
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  Speaker 2: Those need to be thoroughly but very carefully dealt with
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  Speaker 2: and examined and looked at and analyzed. This was a
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  Speaker 2: continuous of narrayment. Nothing happened today. A lot happened. A
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  Speaker 2: lot happened. Joining me, Jacqueline Roth, editor in chief Okay Magazine, Jacqueline,
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  Speaker 2: thank you so much for being with us. Nick Reiner
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  Speaker 2: in court, completely stone faced, no remorse whatsoever what happened.
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  Speaker 4: He only said three words, yes, your honor, which is
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  Speaker 4: really frightening. I mean, you know, he allegedly just killed
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  Speaker 4: his parents and that's all he has to say to
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  Speaker 4: everyone out there. It's very very concerning, and obviously all
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  Speaker 4: the drug stuff that's come out about him and all
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  Speaker 4: these things are now catching up with him. We've now
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  Speaker 4: seen old videos of him, you know, saying all these things,
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  Speaker 4: get me out of jail and bail me out, and
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  Speaker 4: all this money he's been using from his parents. It's super,
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  Speaker 4: super frightening and scary. You know what was really going
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  Speaker 4: on behind the scenes, We have no idea, but obviously
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  Speaker 4: something bigger than anyone could have ever imagined.
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  Speaker 2: We are talking about the developments in the last hours.
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  Speaker 2: Nick ryin or in court making a first appearance, and
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  Speaker 2: during that appearance, he doesn't play guilty. He doesn't plead
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  Speaker 2: not guilty. Troy Slayton joining us high profile lawyer out
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  Speaker 2: of this jurisdiction.
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  Speaker 1: LA.
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  Speaker 2: He's a veteran criminal defense attorney with Slayton Lawyers. Troy Slayton,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us tonight. He can't say
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  Speaker 2: not guilty.
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  Speaker 1: Your honor. I mean, why the drama, why the suspense?
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  Speaker 2: Is this somehow distirring the pot of mental defect on
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  Speaker 2: behalf of Nick Reiner, which of course is not going
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  Speaker 2: to work because voluntary use of drugs and alcohol is
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  Speaker 2: not a defense.
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  Speaker 1: So why not in repla, is he pulling a coburger?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely not, Nancy. This is a very common thing that
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  Speaker 5: happens every single day. In the Criminal Courts Building in
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  Speaker 5: Los Angeles. He waved time for his arrangment. He's entitled
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  Speaker 5: to have an arraignment in two days, but people all
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  Speaker 5: the time wave time for arraignment and put it over
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  Speaker 5: to another date. This way, This way his attorney can
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  Speaker 5: when he comes in on January seventh, likely declare a
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  Speaker 5: doubt as to his competency and in the meantime can
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  Speaker 5: have him by.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 5: He's waiting to see a copy of the discovery, the
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  Speaker 5: initial packet from the from the DA so that way
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  Speaker 5: he can start to wrap his head around what type
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  Speaker 5: of evidence the government has.
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  Speaker 2: Troy, he has to see and what the state's gotten
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  Speaker 2: on hand before he can say I didn't do this
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  Speaker 2: if he were incident, wouldn't he says?
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  Speaker 5: Would reason, Nancy, There's a strategic reason, because once you
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  Speaker 5: enter the plea of not guilty, then a certain timeline
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  Speaker 5: starts for a preliminary hearing. Because then the court starts
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  Speaker 5: pressing to have that's.
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  Speaker 2: On the state to lead, Troy, do not try and
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  Speaker 2: mislead the viewers the time line that you are talking about,
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  Speaker 2: that really means nothing because the defense can ask.
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  Speaker 1: For delay, delay, delay, delay and get it.
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  Speaker 2: So The only thing that would legally be triggered is
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  Speaker 2: if the defense, Oh I'm hearing a buzzing in my ear.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it is Troy Slaton. The only thing that is
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  Speaker 2: a firm deadline is if the defense files a demand
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  Speaker 2: for speedy trial.
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  Speaker 1: Cases can go years without being tried. So that's not accurate.
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  Speaker 2: This is, as you said, correctly, a rategic tactic.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, and it happens every single day in court. This
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  Speaker 5: is not a a new thing with this case. It
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  Speaker 5: happens in criminal cases every single day here in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 1: It's standards, just strategy. We're being played.
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  Speaker 2: We all know we're being played, but that is not
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  Speaker 2: going to deter anyone from seeking justice. Guys, shedding insight
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  Speaker 2: on the family dynamic is a very special guest now.
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  Speaker 2: She is an investigative reporter and she is a producer
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  Speaker 2: and advocate. Heather Michaels is also a Rener family friend.
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  Speaker 2: She is a neighbor.
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  Speaker 1: Heather. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you, Nancy.
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  Speaker 2: What do you recall happened following the discovery of Michelle
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  Speaker 2: and Rob's bodies?
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  Speaker 7: All right, we all saw this fold in real time.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I I the tragedy of this really is,
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  Speaker 7: you know, the main focus and the lives of Rob
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  Speaker 7: and Michelle, and how wonderful and kind and genuine they were.
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  Speaker 7: Nick has struggled with mental health issues. He has struggled with,
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  Speaker 7: you know, experimenting with drugs and being on and off
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  Speaker 7: met That's no secret. I think that he also was
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  Speaker 7: broken in a lot of ways. I, like you, am
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  Speaker 7: very disturbed by what we saw yesterday unfold and the
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  Speaker 7: stone face reaction to the death of his parents, the
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  Speaker 7: brutal alleged murder by him of his parents, of his
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  Speaker 7: own parents. It's just it's heartbreaking. It's just devastating.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 7: I'm trying to come from a place of love and empathy,
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  Speaker 7: but this is just something that's shocking to the communities,
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  Speaker 7: to our families, to the entertainment world.
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  Speaker 6: You know, just.
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  Speaker 9: It's there really are no words.
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  Speaker 7: And I appreciate everything you said, because he really nailed it,
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  Speaker 7: and that you cannot be ignored either.
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  Speaker 1: Heather Michaels is joining us. She is an investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 2: She is a producer and advocate, but tonight she's here
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  Speaker 2: as a neighbor and a friend of the Reiner family. Heather,
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  Speaker 2: I had the opportunity, the privilege of getting to meet
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  Speaker 2: Rob Reiner.
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  Speaker 1: He was so kind to me, and he had absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: No reason he should have been or needed to, and
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  Speaker 2: actually knew my name. I was stunned, and at first
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  Speaker 2: I heard someone say Nancy, and I turned around. I
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  Speaker 2: actually thought it was Carl Reiner when I looked up
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  Speaker 2: at him, but of course that was impossible, and then
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  Speaker 2: I realized it was Rob Reiner, and was just overwhelmed
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  Speaker 2: that someone like him would someone like me's first name
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  Speaker 2: and be familiar with what was happening is during Dancing
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  Speaker 2: with the Stars.
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  Speaker 1: And it struck me.
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  Speaker 2: How he would be familiar with other people and kind
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  Speaker 2: to other people when he really didn't need to. Heether,
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned that Nick Reiner now being held behind bars
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  Speaker 2: and the murders of both of his parents, Rob and
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  Speaker 2: Michelle battle not only drug addiction but mental health issues.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm not familiar with him ever being diagnosed with
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  Speaker 2: a mental health issue other than being whacked out on drugs.
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  Speaker 7: So that is the severe underlying issue is you know,
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  Speaker 7: it's a mix of like a bipolar and media small
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  Speaker 7: amount of schizophrenia. He struggled with mental health issues most
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  Speaker 7: of his life and unfortunately, you know, this is not uncommon.
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  Speaker 7: This is something that it could have been actually one
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  Speaker 7: of five families, famous families that have children with mental
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  Speaker 7: health issues. And so that is another, you know, place
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  Speaker 7: of where something needs to be addressed there. But this
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  Speaker 7: is something that then became such a tragedy, and you know,
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  Speaker 7: for somebody like him to you know, just snap like
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  Speaker 7: that and then brutally murder your parents when they are sleeping.
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  Speaker 7: They were sleeping, you know, this was after that party,
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  Speaker 7: and you know, it's it's just unthinkable, it's unfathomable.
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  Speaker 2: It's very hard for me to take in Heather, My
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  Speaker 2: mom was with us, She just turned ninety four this
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  Speaker 2: past weekend. And I go in all during the night
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  Speaker 2: to check on her and I see her lying or sleep.
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  Speaker 2: The thought of taking a knife and slitting her throat
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  Speaker 2: is physically repulsive to me. You stated that you believe
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  Speaker 2: Nick Reiner was bipolar, possibly schizophrenic. Do you know he
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  Speaker 2: had been diagnosed with that or is that your educated
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  Speaker 2: guess observing him.
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  Speaker 7: There was some level of diagnosis and it was he
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  Speaker 7: was I would say, a functioning, you know, child with
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  Speaker 7: mental health challenges.
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  Speaker 10: Uh.
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  Speaker 7: You know, as you know, there's various levels. So he
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  Speaker 7: was functioning, but he struggled with a lot and you know,
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  Speaker 7: they made some of these kids maybe on some medication
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  Speaker 7: for some time. A lot of times they go off
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  Speaker 7: the medication in the experiment with various drugs. I'm sure
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  Speaker 7: you heard that he was, you know, sort of homeless.
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  Speaker 7: You know, various times he had open access to the home.
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  Speaker 7: But sometimes the these kids that are struggling just end
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  Speaker 7: up going on the street. So this is something he
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  Speaker 7: hit some But Heather.
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  Speaker 2: Did he have a formal diagnosis, because nowhere in any
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  Speaker 2: documents or commentary have I heard he was actually diagnosed
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  Speaker 2: bipolar or diagnosed schizophrenic. I repeatedly am hearing from multiple
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  Speaker 2: sources that years and years of drug abuse had left
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  Speaker 2: him adult, that that was the source of his mental
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  Speaker 2: health problems.
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  Speaker 7: From what I am told, it's a combination. And like
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  Speaker 7: I said, he was a functioning individual with mental health
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  Speaker 7: challenges and a lot of times they do then lean
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  Speaker 7: on various drugs. I'm sure you heard the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: So there was no formal diagnosis, did the rhiners there
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  Speaker 2: likely was.
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  Speaker 7: This is something that was discussed from time to time,
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  Speaker 7: but it was kept private, you know, And like I said,
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  Speaker 7: so they told.
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  Speaker 1: You he was bipolar or schizophrenic.
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  Speaker 7: There was discussion of mental health challenges and that that
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  Speaker 7: could be an underlying factor.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm taking that as a no formal diagnosis,
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  Speaker 2: bipolar or schizophrenic, but.
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  Speaker 1: They discussed mental health challenges absolutely, yes, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 2: When you would observe Nick Reiner, what did you say?
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  Speaker 7: Sometimes I would see a you know, a fairly balanced child.
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  Speaker 7: But then there were times when some things that he
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  Speaker 7: said were just like socially awkward, you know, a little odd.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I've known other families in the industry with
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  Speaker 7: children with mental health issues and on the higher spectrum.
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  Speaker 7: You know, he struggled with those issues and then also
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  Speaker 7: just feeling a little awkward, never really finding his place,
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  Speaker 7: you know. But he was he was talented in some ways,
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  Speaker 7: and he had the deep love and respect and compassion
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  Speaker 7: from Rob and Michelle. You know, they were very supportive
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  Speaker 7: of all of their children. He was the one though,
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  Speaker 7: that just was a little less balanced than the others.
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  Speaker 2: You referred to him as a child. He's thirty two
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  Speaker 2: years old.
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  Speaker 7: I know a lot of times when there's a mental
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  Speaker 7: health aspect like this, you know, they just don't really evolve,
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  Speaker 7: and I it's been so emotional last couple of days.
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  Speaker 7: They keep playing over and over and over again that podcast.
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  Speaker 7: Then he spoke on and candidly. I just feel like
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  Speaker 7: that was very telling of his personality at this time.
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  Speaker 7: And I know that was over ten years ago, but
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  Speaker 7: this is a kid. I'm going to keep calling him
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  Speaker 7: a kid that is fairly broken. But the tragedy of
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  Speaker 7: then taking it that much further, and whether it was
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  Speaker 7: an argument or what you killed your parents in cold blood,
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  Speaker 7: he murdered his parents and we allegedly and we can't
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  Speaker 7: get past that. That is a tragedy all the way around,
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  Speaker 7: and it's just unfathomable.
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  Speaker 2: Joining us is Heather Michaels, not only investigative reporter, producer,
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  Speaker 2: but tonight here on behalf of the Rhiner family. She
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  Speaker 2: is describing Nick Reiner, now charged in both of his
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  Speaker 2: parents murders.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hear it from the horse's mouth.
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  Speaker 11: Why do you like snapple so much?
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  Speaker 12: Because when I'm done drinking it, I can go in
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  Speaker 12: my room and squirt lotion in it and then use
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  Speaker 12: it to stick my.
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  Speaker 8: Sometimes I just come out to gather.
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  Speaker 13: My my sick thoughts, you know, we're close to making
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  Speaker 13: a deal that will of course make him the worldwide.
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  Speaker 6: Star that he deserves to be.
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  Speaker 13: Fifty million on the line, and they were like black
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  Speaker 13: to Mayor.
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  Speaker 8: The whole time.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, now I see what you're saying, Heather.
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  Speaker 1: Michael's about socially awkward.
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  Speaker 2: Statements, Sidney Summer joining US investigative reporter Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Sidney, what we were just playing? I believe.
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  Speaker 2: Was him acting in a different persona or was that
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  Speaker 2: really him?
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  Speaker 10: You know, Nancy, It's a little bit hard to tell.
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  Speaker 10: There's not a lot of context associated with this YouTube video.
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  Speaker 10: This was posted to Nick Reiner's YouTube in twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 10: The title is d Dud David. So I think what's
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  Speaker 10: happening here is that Reiner is portraying a Bubba Gump
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  Speaker 10: esque rapper by that name, and this is some kind
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  Speaker 10: of skit with his friends. I thought he's maybe making
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  Speaker 10: fun of his dad's movie Spinal Tap, which was kind
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  Speaker 10: of a similar mockumentary about fake rock stars.
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  Speaker 2: Sidney, Can I just ask you a very harsh question.
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  Speaker 2: Are you just spinning out here? Are you extrapolating? Are
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  Speaker 2: you saying you want to believe he's portraying a rapper
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  Speaker 2: because you want to think that. You don't want to
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  Speaker 2: think that. Nick Reiner says, I drink Snapple because I
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  Speaker 2: go home escort luhen and it stick my pennant.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to think that.
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  Speaker 10: Well, that might be part of it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so you are projecting that nobody in their right
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  Speaker 2: mind would say that. Okay, let's take another look at
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  Speaker 2: Nick Reiner.
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  Speaker 8: Why do you like Snapple so much? Mainly because.
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  Speaker 12: When I'm done drinking it, I can go in my
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  Speaker 12: room and squirt lotion in it and then use it.
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  Speaker 8: To stick my Sometimes I just come out to gather
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  Speaker 8: my my sick thoughts.
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  Speaker 14: You know, we're close to making a deal that will
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  Speaker 14: of course make him the worldwide.
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  Speaker 13: Star that he deserves to be fifty million on the line,
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  Speaker 13: and they were like back to major the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: So let me understand under Sydney Summers would be theory
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  Speaker 2: that it is just another white boy out of Brentwood
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  Speaker 2: living in his dad's a multimillion dollar pool house, portraying
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  Speaker 2: a rapper.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, more of Nick Reiner from the Horse's Mouth.
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  Speaker 11: I guess it could have been pretty awkward to Impede
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  Speaker 11: approached you about joining their team.
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  Speaker 8: I'm gonna go back to.
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  Speaker 11: Show that you bought Heroin off a transvestine.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't lost, are you No?
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  Speaker 15: I have a famous dad and a famous grandpa, and
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  Speaker 15: they are they sort of you know that fame sort
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  Speaker 15: of informs who you are.
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  Speaker 8: So I wanted to etch out my own identity with a.
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  Speaker 15: More rebellious, angry.
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  Speaker 8: Drug addicted sort of persona.
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  Speaker 1: What that's from?
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  Speaker 2: Inside Out Podcast with Paul Mercurio. Did I just hear
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  Speaker 2: him say I have a famous dad and a famous grandpa,
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  Speaker 2: and they, you know, famous informs who you are?
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  Speaker 1: Aren't they? Is he blaming his father? Rob Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Heather Michaels is with us, who is not only an
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  Speaker 2: investigative reporter and producer, a social justice advocate. You can
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  Speaker 2: find her on Insta at Heather Michael's TV. She is
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  Speaker 2: a friend of the Reiner family and a neighbor. It
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  Speaker 2: seems to me that Nick Reiner had everything handed to him,
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  Speaker 2: fed with a silver spoon. How many people in this
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  Speaker 2: country would give their iteth to live in Reiner's poolhouse
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  Speaker 2: for Pete's sake. It's just everything to tramp into his
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  Speaker 2: gorgeous kitchen and free load out of the sub zero.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he had the life.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand his hatred toward his parents, blaming them
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  Speaker 2: for what.
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  Speaker 7: You know, there's a lot of theories just in general
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  Speaker 7: and the entertainment industry, when you have children that are
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  Speaker 7: under the you know, that have famous parents, it's challenging
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  Speaker 7: in itself. But this does not reflect on Rob and
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  Speaker 7: Michelle because they love their children unconditionally. They with compatient,
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  Speaker 7: genuine intention and so supportive of him. You know, it's
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  Speaker 7: what you see time and time again. I think that
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  Speaker 7: this is just a child. I'm going to say a
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  Speaker 7: child again that he he struggled with, not just the
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  Speaker 7: difficulties of you know, being having very famous parents, but
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  Speaker 7: some of the mental health issues that he struggled with,
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  Speaker 7: the drug abuse that absolutely impacted his personality.
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  Speaker 11: You brought heroin off a transvestite.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't lost, are you no?
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  Speaker 8: No?
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: The son of Rob Reiner and wife Michelle Singer Reiner
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: in court wearing a suicide vest, shackled hand and foot,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: no remorse at all. His high priced lawyer, Alan Jackson says,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: this case is very complex. He asked for a continuance,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: he got one, and I'm sure during this time he's
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: going to make sure that check is good. He is
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: a very high profile lawyer and he has gotten results.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: By the way you saw the Karen.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Reed trial outcome he defended Harvey Weinstein is a total ps.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: He defended Kevin Spacey and got a good outcome on
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: that and many many more. What card is up his sleeve?
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: In this case, we are told that Nick Reiner was
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: covered in his parents' blood, had the wherewithal to leave
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: the scene, pack new, fresh clothes. Let's see the video
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: of him in a gas station, goes to a nearby hotel,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: not cheap, I might add, pretty nice checks in uses
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: his own name.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: There, he is in completely clean clothes, he packed fresh
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: and nappies.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Goes in, goes to the refrigerated area of the store,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: gets a drink, goes in line, waits patiently, pays for it,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: seemingly completely in control. But the hotel finds blood, a
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: trail of blood from the bed, across the floor to
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: the shower where he cleaned up, washed his hair, cleaned
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: the blood out from under his fingernails, and.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: We had to go get himself a drink.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: That video from our friends at CBS News good luck,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: arguing mental defect after that video. He also had the
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: wherewithal to black out the windows of the hotel with sheets. Now,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: who the thunk he did? Cunning cunning. In the last hours,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: we also learned the official c D cause of death,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: joining us Jacqueline Roth, editor in chief OK Magazine. Jacqueline,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us tonight. What is the
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: official cause of death?
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: The official cod is multiple sharp force injuries aka likely
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: that the knife slit their throat, unfortunately, which is so tragic.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: He as you saw in that video, he obviously was
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: looking around, you know, looking kind of you know, haunted,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: and you know, it's a very haunting video in general.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: But as you said, all his clothes were clean, the
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: hotel afterwards full of blood, housekeeping, all of that. Found that,
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: you know, it's it's unthinkable that he could commit something
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: like that and act totally I mean, I wouldn't say
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: it was normal, but could act like that after that?
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Can I say, Jacqueline Roth, please, Jacqueline Roth, U, I'd
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: like you to review the gas station video again. Can
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I see that control room very quickly? The gas station video?
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: You say he looks haunted To me, he looks thirsty.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: He doesn't look haunted. He's going looking around. I see
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: no signs of a haunting. He is there, you go,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: there's that diet doctor pepper and he goes and pays
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: for it. How are you divining from the video from
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: our friends and say, there you go from CBS News
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: that he was haunted.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: It's slightly chilling. I mean, look the way that he's
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: turning and stuff like that. You know, in that video
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: you can kind of see he's kind of I don't know,
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: it feels as though there's like an eerie presence there. Definitely,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: you know, a little unfazed for sure. But I do
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: think that there is a sense of oddness, weirdness. He's obviously,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: you know, I mean something obviously I think just happened.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: And he looks a little bit, you know, cautious. He's
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: looking over his shoulder. So I do think that there
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: is sort of a sense of a haunting to it.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: I do think it is obviously very weird, and he
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: is a little on face as well.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: He's looking Jacqueline, that's true.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: He's looking for the refrigerated aisle to Karen start joining me.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Forensic psychologists, renowned TV and radio.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Advocate.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: She's an expert, she has a consultant and you can
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: find her at Karenstark dot com Karen Stark. He doesn't
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: look haunted to me. I think that's certainly open to interpretation.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: To me, he looks like he's looking for the refrigerated
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: area to find his favorite drink that he's paying for,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: probably with a credit card that's sent to his mom
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: and dad.
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: Without a doubt, Nancy, because they took such good care
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: of him. And I don't know where it's coming from
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: that they might not have been good parents, because I
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: think that they were actually excellent parents. When it comes
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: to mental health, it's almost impossible to know what to
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: do with your child. It's a terrible situation. I want
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: to add that this kind of drug abuse for so
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: many years affect the prefrontal cortex of the brain, which
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: means executive functioning.
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: In other words, he didnt make the decisions impulsive. He
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: clearly had a hostile dependency relationship with his parents. He
• 27:17
  Speaker 9: needed them, but he didn't want to need them because
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: he was thirty two years old, he felt inferior. There's
• 27:24
  Speaker 9: so much evidence that points to that, and there was
• 27:29
  Speaker 9: growing anger.
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: He messed up their guest house. That's been reported repeatedly,
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: and his sister was afraid of him, and a neighbor
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: talked about violent tendencies, and so I think these parents
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: really were trying very hard to do their best and
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: did not intentionally ignore these symptoms. It's very hard to
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: know what's going on with this type of son child.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Karen start will put and that is why you're a
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: renowned TV radio trauma expert. Joe Scott Morgan joining us now.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan is Professor of Forensics to Jacksonville State University.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: He is the author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: He is the star of a hitting you podcast, Body
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: But for my purposes. He is a death investigator who
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: has investigated.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Thousands, over ten thousand death scenes to determine one of
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: just a handful of manners of death. There's a difference
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: between cod cause of death and manner of death. Manner
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: of death can only be accidental suicide, natural causes such
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: as heart attack or stroke unexplained, or homicide.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Those are your choices.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Joe Scott, thank you for being with us tonight. Joe
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Scott Morgan, could you explain what Jacqueline Roth from OK
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: magazine just reported as the official c D Because Joe
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Scott I got a problem. It's bad enough that their
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: throats were split in their sleep, which leads me to
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: a special circumstance.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: The DA hasn't included lying in.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Wait, but also there were other stab wounds Joe Scott,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: other stab wounds.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: What does that mean in your world?
• 29:33
  Speaker 16: It means that this is an anger filled, frenzied attack,
• 29:37
  Speaker 16: you know, Nancy, You know, because this is something that
• 29:42
  Speaker 16: is driven by rage. We see this many times, particularly
• 29:44
  Speaker 16: with sharp force injuries. Think about what you use a knife,
• 29:49
  Speaker 16: a pair of scissors for a hatchet, for those sorts
• 29:52
  Speaker 16: of things. They are used to slice and destroy things. Right,
• 29:56
  Speaker 16: It's the most personal of types of attack that you
• 30:00
  Speaker 16: can possibly have in my field and so and it's
• 30:03
  Speaker 16: in addition to that, Nancy, this is something that everybody
• 30:06
  Speaker 16: needs to hold on to. This is always a close
• 30:10
  Speaker 16: and personal and I have my own theory about this.
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 30:14
  Speaker 16: You know, based upon what has been stated thus far,
• 30:17
  Speaker 16: that mister and mister Reiner and miss Singer were found
• 30:22
  Speaker 16: in their bed, it would not be outside the realm
• 30:27
  Speaker 16: possibility that the attacker potentially climbed into bed with them
• 30:31
  Speaker 16: to facilitate the attack if they did not have the
• 30:34
  Speaker 16: opportunity to flee. So again, this goes to this very personal,
• 30:39
  Speaker 16: personal event that has taken place. I hate to use
• 30:42
  Speaker 16: the term events more like butchery, because I can guarantee
• 30:46
  Speaker 16: you that's what it would have been. But Nancy, there's
• 30:48
  Speaker 16: something that is even more dark here. Because the medical
• 30:53
  Speaker 16: examiner listed the cause of death. They ruled it the
• 30:58
  Speaker 16: manner as homicide of but they said multiple sharp force injuries.
• 31:02
  Speaker 16: But they see, you know, there's a line beneath this
• 31:05
  Speaker 16: where it says and other significant conditions contributed to their deaths.
• 31:12
  Speaker 16: And that's like this big unknown that's hiding out there.
• 31:16
  Speaker 16: And we can put any number of things into those categories,
• 31:19
  Speaker 16: all right. You can say that there was underlying natural disease,
• 31:22
  Speaker 16: like you know, if someone is attacked you have heart disease,
• 31:26
  Speaker 16: you're not going to survive it. There could be toxicological issues.
• 31:29
  Speaker 16: I can't imagine they would have talks back this soon.
• 31:32
  Speaker 16: But you also have the specter of blunt force trauma
• 31:36
  Speaker 16: like where they were hit, punched, kicked, stomped, any number
• 31:41
  Speaker 16: of things like that and it's really painting this very
• 31:45
  Speaker 16: very dark picture as we moved through all of this
• 31:48
  Speaker 16: data that's coming forth to us. Now we're going to
• 31:51
  Speaker 16: know more. We're not going to know everything because this
• 31:54
  Speaker 16: is an ongoing case, but just this little bit of
• 31:57
  Speaker 16: the information that the coroner has really used out in
• 32:00
  Speaker 16: la is something to you know, kind of kind of
• 32:04
  Speaker 16: chew on for a bit here, because this is going
• 32:06
  Speaker 16: to be highly complex from a forensic standpoint.
• 32:09
  Speaker 17: Upon arrival, officers located two deceased individuals inside the residents,
• 32:13
  Speaker 17: later identified as Rob and Rob Reiner and Michelle Reiner.
• 32:18
  Speaker 17: Both victims were found in the master bedroom of the
• 32:20
  Speaker 17: area of the home. Officers conducting a thorough search of
• 32:24
  Speaker 17: the residents to determine whether there were any additional victims
• 32:26
  Speaker 17: or suspects, and no one else was located.
• 32:32
  Speaker 10: Nick Reiner is charged with two counts of murder with
• 32:35
  Speaker 10: the special circumstances of multiple murders because he killed two
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: people at the same time. From an early age, he
• 32:43
  Speaker 10: appeared to be a difficult child, He had.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Anger in his eyes.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Nick Reiner is an abuse or is a drug addict.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: The district attorney stating that these charges include special circumstances.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: What are they?
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Special circumstances are alleged and they must be under the
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: law alleged in the indictment.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: If the death penalty is being sought.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: When a murder occurs with quote special circumstances, that means
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: that there are circumstances supporting the state seeking the death penalty.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: That is not true in every homicide.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: The special circumstances that have.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Been announced in this case are one mass murder which
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: means more than one.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Body, and to the use of a weapon.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: To Troy Slayton joining me veteran trial lawyer defense attorney
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: out of LA Isn't that true, Troy?
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: It is true. There's currently a moratorium in place, signed
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: by the governor by executive order, but that could change
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: as soon as a new governor is elected, or there's
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: some sort of proposition put into law by the people
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: of the state of California.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: So a new governor could eradicate Newsom's moratorium. There's a
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: lot of people sitting on California's death row, or the
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: people of California could vote on a proposition allowing or
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: getting rid of the moratorium. Choice Layton and many jurisdictions
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: there are multiple special circumstances. You know, both of us
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: have worked on death penalty cases before. I was thinking
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: about the possibility of pecuniary interest as an underlying factor,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: a special circumstance in this case, because as it stands
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: right now, Nick Reiner could inherit from his parents. Killing
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: them would make him one of the few beneficiaries there
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: are four children.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: It could if he were to not be convicted. However,
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: California prohibits people from profiting from their crime. So if
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: he is convicted of actly yes, if he is convicted.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Of guilty by reason of insanity, that's a good question.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: He would probably spend the rest of his life in
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: a California mental institution, possibly at Patton State Hospital here
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: in California, where, whether he had the money or not,
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: he wouldn't be able to use it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Correction tiny correction gb or I. Under the California Slayer Act,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: someone that kills the victim cannot then inherit under the
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: law if they're convicted. If they're found in gb r
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I not guilty by reason of insanity, it then is
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: thrown into probate and they may inherit GB or I
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: not guilty insanity Once you are. Once you are treated
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: and declared well, you then are out of the mental facility.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Isn't that right?
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: It is so rare for somebody who is convicted of well,
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: found not guilty by reason of insanity, placed in California
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: mental hospital to ever be released.
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: It almost the.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Answer to that would be yes, once treated and declared well.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Look at Hankley last I looked.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: The way that it works in California is you're entitled
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: to another jury trial on whether or not you're well.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: But again, he could walk after being deemed cured, even
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: following a not guilty by raising up.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Are you familiar with John Hankley? Is that ringing a
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: bell to you?
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: Yes, but that's not California.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Do you recall what John Hinckley was convicted of.
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: Yes, shooting the president of the United States.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: And do you know where he is today? He's out, Yes,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: he he is out. That's what happened.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: It was an attempted assassination. It wasn't murder.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I'm the president.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: You know what, I feel like I should be talking
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: to a lamppost right now. Hinckley walked. It could happen.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Things change. Charles Manson got the death penalty. Then the
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: law changed and he got life behind bars. Then when
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: the DP was reinstated, it would not be applied retroactively.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: You never know what's going to happen. So back to
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: where I started.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Pecuniary interest in the death of the victim is typically
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: a special circumstance, and lying in wait is a special circumstance.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: To Joseph Scott Morgan, you brought up the specter that
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: he Nick Reiner waited until his parents were asleep to
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: sneak in and murder them.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: That's lying in wait.
• 37:59
  Speaker 14: Yeah, of course is. And listen, Nancy, you know I
• 38:02
  Speaker 14: talked about how personal these these the slaughter was, uh.
• 38:06
  Speaker 14: And with that being said, this goes to an idea
• 38:10
  Speaker 14: that whoever did this would have familiarity with the habits
• 38:13
  Speaker 14: of the victims. They would know what time individuals went
• 38:16
  Speaker 14: to bed, They would know where their bedroom is, right
• 38:19
  Speaker 14: and so how how better to do this than to wait?
• 38:22
  Speaker 14: Because not only are you trying to the assailant could
• 38:26
  Speaker 14: be attempting to kill one person, they're trying to kill two.
• 38:28
  Speaker 14: So you have to be able to take advantage of
• 38:31
  Speaker 14: the darkness. You have to be able to take advantage
• 38:33
  Speaker 14: that the person or persons are not aware of what's
• 38:36
  Speaker 14: going along, going around because they might be in rim
• 38:39
  Speaker 14: at that point in time. So yeah, I think that
• 38:42
  Speaker 14: that lying in wait is a big factor here going forward.
• 38:45
  Speaker 14: And what does that go to, That goes to some
• 38:48
  Speaker 14: level of planning.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Crime stores With Nancy Gray.
• 39:01
  Speaker 11: You know, he's been great.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: He's you know, hasn't been doing drug for over six years.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I mean he's he's in a really good place. I
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: really much to hear that.
• 39:08
  Speaker 16: Much better place.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: He's a good place now.
• 39:10
  Speaker 18: Though Rob Reiner boasted in September that previously troubled son
• 39:13
  Speaker 18: Nick has been cleaned for more than six years now,
• 39:16
  Speaker 18: a source close to the family says Reiner was rapidly
• 39:19
  Speaker 18: declining in the weeks before attacking his parents. The source
• 39:21
  Speaker 18: claims Reiner did not give any indication of violent tendencies,
• 39:25
  Speaker 18: and if he had, things would have been much different.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: You were hearing Rob Reiner speaking with Terry Gross on
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: NPR's Fresh Air podcast. Karen start joining us addiction specialist
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: for now TV radio trauma expert and forensic psychologist, Karen
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Why is it we parents don't want to see anything
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: wrong with our children.
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: It's purely instinctive. Nancy think about the twins. It makes
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: such a difference. When it's you child, you want to
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: believe the best. And it was a long time, a
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: very long time since he was in rehab, and so
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: it was what they were hoping. It was not the
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: reality because allegedly he was getting worse. He did trash
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: the guest house. He certainly was hostile when he went
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: to that party, enough so that somebody private like Rob Reiner,
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: actually had a fight with him, an argument in front
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: of all those people, which was reported. And so he
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: was not actually this mild kid who had recovered and
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: was doing very well. But parents want to believe that,
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: desperately want to believe that.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: And of course now the endless finger pointing has started,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: including blaming the victims.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: Listen, what did Rob Ryaner do so bad that this
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: kid hated him so much?
• 41:02
  Speaker 16: Was it money?
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: Was it abuse?
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Was it neglect? High test?
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: You're right, I don't know how the Rhiners were his parents,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: but I do know, and which I'm quite frankly kind
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: of embarrassed that you don't, is that you can't just
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: murder your parents.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: What they mean, do you?
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: That is from at the Midnight one two three on
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: TikTok and chillis Girl Forever on TikTok. I'm going to
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: go to a family friend that knows the Rhiners, that
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: knows Nick Hiner, that has known them for years. Heather
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Michaels is with US investigative reporter producer at Heather Michael's TV. Heather,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I strongly resent people asking what did the Rhiners do
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: to deserve this. They didn't deserve this, And all they
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: did was love him and pay for his endless rehab stancing,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: give him a place to live, a car to try.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I think I saw him driving by in a restored
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: vintage Mustang. I think I saw that he didn't pay
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: for that. He didn't pay for those clothes. He probably
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: charged his parents for his Heidi hole after the murder.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, they did nothing wrong. They did everything they
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: could to help him.
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: Yes, and the comments are disgraceful, They're despicable, But everybody's
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: got an opinion. Now, you know, you have all these
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: podcasts that everyone wants to chime in. These are two
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: parents that were absolutely fantastic. We're loving, compassionate. You know,
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: you ask neighbors, you ask the long term, longtime family friends.
• 42:40
  Speaker 7: People in the industry. Everybody loved and adore these people,
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: and they were fantastic with each and every one of
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: their children.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: They gave him a clear choice.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: You can live here in our multimillion dollar home, I
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  Speaker 2: believe the home and once belonged to Norman Lear it's beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: Or you can go to reh or you can go
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  Speaker 2: to jail or the street. And we're learning that from
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  Speaker 2: a movie created by Rob Reiner with his son Nick,
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  Speaker 2: detailing Nick Reiner's struggles with drugs, and it's called Being Charlie.
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  Speaker 1: What does the movie reveal? Look, I love it, I
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  Speaker 1: love it.
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  Speaker 8: I don't love it.
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  Speaker 13: You've had plenty of course, Charlie, you have or jail.
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  Speaker 1: You know, quite a wide selection there.
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  Speaker 6: One of us have to keep him safe for him
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  Speaker 6: or for you.
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  Speaker 1: That's from Being Charlie.
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  Speaker 2: And you clearly see this is a mirror of the
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  Speaker 2: winer's life, the arguments, the fights, the disruptions with the son,
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  Speaker 2: Nick Reiner. The dad says, you've had plenty of choices,
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  Speaker 2: and the son says, yeah, rehab or jail. What a selection?
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 2: To Karen Stark, people all over this country would love
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  Speaker 2: to be in Betty Ford or some other really expensive,
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  Speaker 2: really posh rehab where they could live in luxury and
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  Speaker 2: actually get well.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, but Nancy, in this case, nothing really worked for him.
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  Speaker 6: I want to say something about the movie, if that's
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  Speaker 6: okay with you. I think that the movie had a
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  Speaker 6: negative effect on him. And the reason I'm saying this
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  Speaker 6: is it portrays him as the one in the family
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  Speaker 6: that is not okay, the one that's sick, the one
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  Speaker 6: that has drug problems. And I think that what that
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  Speaker 6: did was reinforce his feelings of inferiority and the fact
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  Speaker 6: that he could not get out from underon couldn't stop
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  Speaker 6: his addiction.
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  Speaker 1: Karen, it was his movie. He wanted to know badly
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  Speaker 1: to be a screenwriter.
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  Speaker 2: That's the only credit he's got for Pete's sake. His
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  Speaker 2: father handed it to him on a silver platter.
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  Speaker 6: But Nancy looked at the credit. It's a negative credit.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know that he actually thought about that. I
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  Speaker 6: bet he did it. I mean, he wanted his story told,
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: but it's a bad story, and he really couldn't do
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: anything after that. He couldn't move forward. He just had
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  Speaker 6: this week.
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  Speaker 1: We never did anything before that.
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  Speaker 6: Right, But it shows him as being the one of
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: all of the children and the parents and the grandparents.
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: That was not successful, that didn't do well.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand something.
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  Speaker 2: Are you saying that the movie was not the truth,
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  Speaker 2: Karen Stark?
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  Speaker 6: No, I'm saying it was. But I'm saying that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Can I help that? Could Rob Reiner help that
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: that was the truth. The point of the movie was
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: to help other people.
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: About I'm talking the bet.
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  Speaker 1: I can't help that.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: You think that had a negative impact on Nick Reiner.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: To Heather Michaels, I want to follow up with what
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Karen Stark is saying. The one movie, the one credit
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  Speaker 2: Nick Reiner ever had was a movie his father created
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: and brought him in on it to help other people.
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  Speaker 1: Heather, I don't know how.
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  Speaker 2: That could have had a negative impact on Nick Rhyner.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: You got a big fat paycheck out of the thing.
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  Speaker 7: The movie could have had such a tremendous impact on
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: so many people. It could have been educational. His story
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: was being told in a very respectful way, in a
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: very educational way. That movie was fantastically done, and it
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: really could have made such an impact for others. But
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: rather that portrayal and the way he Nick, you know what,
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: Nick took from it, then it ended up having such
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: a negative impact. And this is being played over and
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: over and over again.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: In an eerie premonition. Let's take a look at Nick
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  Speaker 2: Reiner rapping.
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  Speaker 12: And I don't even care if anyone calls me a
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  Speaker 12: sally because I'm a snail and I'm never gonna fail.
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  Speaker 8: And you know what, You're going to have to bail
• 47:00
  Speaker 8: me out of jail.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Nate Ryiner behind bars tonight without bail. Let's take a
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: look at Rob Reiner.
• 47:10
  Speaker 16: You call her up, you say them a let's get together.
• 47:12
  Speaker 16: We look at swatches.
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  Speaker 13: What have I done?
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  Speaker 8: Why don't you just make ten louder?
• 47:19
  Speaker 15: And make ten be the top number, and make that
• 47:21
  Speaker 15: a little louder.
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  Speaker 8: These card two eleven.
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  Speaker 1: I'm never gonna get out of this town.
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  Speaker 2: I'm my glory.
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  Speaker 8: You can do anything you want.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Man, I'll have what she's having.
• 47:41
  Speaker 8: What the truth?
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: You can't handle the truth.
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: I like to take care of one foot at a time.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about this case,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: the state is building a case. As we go to
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Eric tonight, please dial eight hundred two two eight four
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  Speaker 2: seven seven.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Did you see Nick Ryner that evening? Did he speak
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: to you. Did you observe anything he did? Did you
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: see him slow down throw something out of the window,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: i e. A knife? If you know or think you.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Know anything about this case, please dial eight hundred two
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: two two eight four seven seven. Eight hundred two two
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: two eight four seven seven. We remember American Hero Officer
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Lisa Meldon Miller County Sheriff's Office, Arkansas, killed in the
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: line of duty, leaving behind a husband turned widow, Travis,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: and three daughters with no mom. American Hero Officer Lisa Maldon.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye, trap
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  Speaker 7: Yeah