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  Speaker 1: All right, let's do this. It is the big al
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  Speaker 1: MVP debate. We have Ryan Davis joining us right now.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, you can catch his work in the Seattle Times.
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  Speaker 1: He's been on here before many times. Chris Kershner also
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  Speaker 1: has been on here, and you can follow his work
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  Speaker 1: covering the Yankees in the Athletic. Nice and simple here,
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  Speaker 1: we'll start with Chris.
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  Speaker 2: Al MVP.
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  Speaker 1: Your thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not really entirely sure why it's a debate. Like
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  Speaker 3: I get that cal Raley had a great year with Seattle,
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  Speaker 3: hitting sixty home runs as the catchers, obviously incredibly impressive,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, Aaron Judge was forty three percent better
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  Speaker 3: statistically speaking than Raleigh offensively. Raleigh didn't grade out particularly
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  Speaker 3: well defensively. I get he has other duties that he's
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  Speaker 3: in charge of when it comes to managing the pitching staff,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, Judge had another historic season. He had
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  Speaker 3: fifty three home runs, won the best adding title. How
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  Speaker 3: to WRC plus over two hundred, which is not common.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not really sure why it's a debate Judge would
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  Speaker 3: be the MVP.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Davish, your thoughts, why do you think cal Raley
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  Speaker 1: should be in further consideration than Chris is considering.
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  Speaker 4: Uh cal Rawley trying to catch Carlos Margus in a
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  Speaker 4: leverage situation and blocking every pitch. That's why you know
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  Speaker 4: you got two former catchers on here. And the beating
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  Speaker 4: that cal Raley took, the amount of innings he logged
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  Speaker 4: behind the plate, the amount of responsibility they can't be
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  Speaker 4: measured in statistics. This isn't the category for best offensive player.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, if it was, Judge would be a winner
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  Speaker 4: and a landslide.
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  Speaker 5: But it's about overall value.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's a gray area that's been left up
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  Speaker 4: to the voters and how you measure it. But I've
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  Speaker 4: watched a lot of bad catching in my life, and
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  Speaker 4: I've seen elite catching. Even if the framing numbers don't
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  Speaker 4: match this year, which is also inative of the strike
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  Speaker 4: zone changes that they've had. I just don't really feel
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  Speaker 4: like a player that a catcher that goes out and
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  Speaker 4: does what he's done and puts up the numbers he has.
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  Speaker 4: I just think there's too much value in what he
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  Speaker 4: does on a daily basis, on both sides, you know,
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  Speaker 4: behind the plate as well as at the plate to
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  Speaker 4: be overlooked.
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  Speaker 2: Dav Thank you I thought you were talking about me
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  Speaker 2: there for a while when you started talking about me,
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  Speaker 2: So thank you, thank you for the kind words. And
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  Speaker 2: second of all, it was nice of you to get
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  Speaker 2: off the Loaje deck a. You're on your cruise that
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  Speaker 2: you're on wherever the heck you are, because the next
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  Speaker 2: performer looks like they're getting ready to start. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what the heck's happening behind you, but I probably
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  Speaker 2: don't want to know the answer to that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm at the Cosmo and at the GM meetings. There's
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  Speaker 4: some weird stuff going on around here. There's a huge
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  Speaker 4: you see that statue behind me. I mean, like it's
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  Speaker 4: really strange, you know. I mean, the Cosmo is an
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  Speaker 4: interesting place. It's just been overtaken by a bunch of
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  Speaker 4: middle aged white dudes and quarter zips and on cloud shoes.
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  Speaker 5: Right now.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, again, you're talking about me, So take it
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  Speaker 2: easy and quartership. I have Jordan zone. But I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: say this. I agree with you. Ryan cal Rawley's the MVP.
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  Speaker 2: I've been saying it since June. I also said he's
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  Speaker 2: hit sixty homers. Nobody believed me on that. And the
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  Speaker 2: second thing, there's many reasons why historic year catcher. His
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  Speaker 2: numbers were what those numbers are, But he has been
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  Speaker 2: gold Glove in the past, Platinum Glove, all that. But
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  Speaker 2: what he what the different team makes for his team
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  Speaker 2: to me is why he's the most valuable player. Plus
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  Speaker 2: I'm just a firm believer in guys that win. Cal
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  Speaker 2: Rawly is a winner. He should win. No Offenser and Judge,
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  Speaker 2: we love you. And final word, he has the best
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  Speaker 2: nickname in the sport, so that should also be a point.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: To me, it's like, you look at Cal and what
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  Speaker 4: he accomplished this year, There'll never be another season like
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  Speaker 4: this again. I think Judge is perfectly capable of putting
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  Speaker 4: together another season like he did this year. He's that
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  Speaker 4: good offensively. But you know, he didn't play in the
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  Speaker 4: field as much. He was a liability in the field
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  Speaker 4: after he got injured. I just think, and we're nitpicking here,
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  Speaker 4: we're nitpicking both of these guys in any other season
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  Speaker 4: if they don't If you know, one of these guys
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  Speaker 4: throws out this season and they don't have them together,
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  Speaker 4: we're not having this debate. We're talking about as two
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  Speaker 4: guys that put together ridiculous seasons at the same time.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I remember the year with Trout and Miguel
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  Speaker 4: Cabrera and Miki getting the triple crown. I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: guess to me, and I'm sure there'll be a lot
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  Speaker 4: of anger and a lot of debate, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: I just look at the value of catching and the
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  Speaker 4: defensive position and it's just it outweighs any other position
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  Speaker 4: on the field significantly.
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  Speaker 6: Chris, this is my This is how I always argue
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  Speaker 6: when people are arguing this. I want you to tell
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  Speaker 6: me why cal Rawley is the MVP, and then I
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  Speaker 6: want Ryan to tell me why Aaron Judge is the MVP,
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  Speaker 6: because I think when you put out there the things
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  Speaker 6: that you think, Okay, Aaron Judge did this amazing, we're
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  Speaker 6: talking about value, and if you don't look at the
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  Speaker 6: other person's value, I don't think you can truly come
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  Speaker 6: to the determination of who should be the MVP unless
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  Speaker 6: you're only looking at the person that you think should
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  Speaker 6: be MVP.
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  Speaker 2: You follow what I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Saying, Yep, Yeah, I mean I think again, Roley had
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  Speaker 3: a great year. You know, AJ said he had a
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  Speaker 3: historic year, and that absolutely should be considered here when
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about who shouldn't and shouldn't win MVP hasn't
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  Speaker 3: been done before. He had the most home runs in
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  Speaker 3: a single season by a switch hitter. I get all that,
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  Speaker 3: and also again he's managing and pitching staff on a
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  Speaker 3: day to day basis. He's the leader of the team.
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  Speaker 3: Mariners won the division for the first time since two
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  Speaker 3: thousand and one, and Cal obviously had a huge role
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  Speaker 3: in that. So I certainly get the argument there. My
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  Speaker 3: point is that is all of that, you know, does
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  Speaker 3: that come close to what Judge's difference is when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to what he did offensively? And I also think
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  Speaker 3: it's being discounted. You know, you talk about Cal's leadership,
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  Speaker 3: Well what about Judges leadership. You know, he was the
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  Speaker 3: leader of a team that won ninety four games, tied
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  Speaker 3: for the best record in the American League. Obviously, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you speak to all of the players and everyone raves
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  Speaker 3: about his leadership. He had a great season defensively. Obviously
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  Speaker 3: he had the elbow injury which impacted his throwing, but
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  Speaker 3: you know he was still fifth and outs above average
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  Speaker 3: for all right fielders. So I guess, you know, does
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  Speaker 3: that leadership aspect what he did defensively? Does that give
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  Speaker 3: Judge the edge over Raleigh. I think both of these
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  Speaker 3: guys are ultimately deserving of winning the MVP. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: in my opinion, again, I think the offensive differences are
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  Speaker 3: just too big in judges favor.
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  Speaker 2: Right if as if you look at it, go ahead,
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  Speaker 2: go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm totally going to use this argument theory with
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  Speaker 4: my girlfriend. So when we're having an argument, I want
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  Speaker 4: you to go from my perspective and I'll go from yours.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that's going to help me out a lot,
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  Speaker 5: I think, because I'm always in trouble.
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  Speaker 4: To me, it's the argument for Judge is this, His
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  Speaker 4: numbers offensively were so good it doesn't matter what position
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  Speaker 4: he was playing, whether it was D H right field,
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  Speaker 4: whether he was good in the field or not. His
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  Speaker 4: offensive numbers were simply so unbelievably good that it doesn't
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  Speaker 4: matter anything else that that that that alone, what he
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  Speaker 4: did at the plate can well what he did at
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  Speaker 4: the plate, the shear, the sheer, statistics that he produced
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  Speaker 4: h overweight or over you know, outweigh any narratives of
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  Speaker 4: leadership or even defensive metrics that I find kind of
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  Speaker 4: you know, not always reliable, or you know, the concept
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  Speaker 4: of leadership that everything he did at the plate alone
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  Speaker 4: puts him over the top of what anybody else did.
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  Speaker 4: That's the argument you make for in Judge.
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  Speaker 6: All right, So Ryan and Chris, this is my question,
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  Speaker 6: and maybe this can't ever be done because we're just
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  Speaker 6: talking about in a vacuum. If you traded cal Ray
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  Speaker 6: for Aaron Judge, do each team end up at the
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  Speaker 6: same place? I'll go to Ryan first. Does each team
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  Speaker 6: end up in the same place? Does do the Mariners
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  Speaker 6: end up in the same place if they got Aaron Judge?
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  Speaker 6: And then Chris you can answer right after he's done.
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  Speaker 5: That's a good question.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at.
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  Speaker 4: I'm thinking about who the Mariners have as catchers and
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  Speaker 4: what they would do. Yeah, that I don't know that
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  Speaker 4: they would. I mean, Aaron Judges' numbers were so good
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  Speaker 4: and so unbelievable. But the amount of trust that is
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  Speaker 4: placed in cal Raley on a daily basis to handle
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  Speaker 4: the pitch calling, the game calling, the defense, the defense,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of the strategy. I don't know that any
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  Speaker 4: other catcher out there not named JT. Real Mudo fits that.
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  Speaker 5: Bill. I mean, maybe you know.
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  Speaker 4: Because Kirk and all those other guys like all is
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  Speaker 4: elite and what he does. And I don't know that
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  Speaker 4: you can find somebody like that.
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  Speaker 3: I think if the Yankees added Raleigh in place of Judge,
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  Speaker 3: I think they would still have a really good offense
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  Speaker 3: because the Yankees did have a good offense even if
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  Speaker 3: he picked Judges numbers out. I just think if we're
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  Speaker 3: looking at it on a year to year basis and
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  Speaker 3: what Judge has done consistently, now, I think they would
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  Speaker 3: be worse off in the long term. But if we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about just this year alone, it's probably similar. But
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  Speaker 3: I would want judges consistency for the long term.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I have two questions on this since Scratch
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  Speaker 2: parted up. If Judge was hitting in Seattle, would his
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  Speaker 2: numbers go down? And if Raley was hitting in New
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  Speaker 2: York would his numbers go up?
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Because Seattle is so hard to hit in New York
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  Speaker 2: has two of the shortest porches in baseball, So if
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  Speaker 2: they were switched, would the numbers change a little bit?
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  Speaker 3: I think, if I'm not mistaken, that Raleigh would have
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  Speaker 3: fewer home runs in Yankee Stadium than he would in Seattle.
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  Speaker 3: I'm actually, Chris, come on, do you actually believe that
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  Speaker 3: you would not believe.
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  Speaker 2: That in real life? You believe you could do this
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  Speaker 2: and dad, and you don't. You're not telling me. If
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  Speaker 2: Cal Rowly played in the Yankee Stadium and hit left
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  Speaker 2: handed one hundred games, he wouldn't just yank twenty more
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  Speaker 2: homers in there because he's just gonna out and snatch
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  Speaker 2: balls down the Oh come, I mean, I hate playing
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  Speaker 2: one hundred games in Yankee Stadium. Thank you for bringing
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  Speaker 2: that up. Thank you for bringing that up. Because he
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  Speaker 2: can't because he's Calor he's gonna be the MVP. That's up.
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  Speaker 3: You could have fifty nine home runs in Seattle and
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  Speaker 3: fifty four home runs in New York.
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  Speaker 4: Oh gosh, I the numbers don't lie, right, Oh god,
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  Speaker 4: there are times right still, there are times are right
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  Speaker 4: questions that cast.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Stock asked that Cole Young hitting a four hundred.
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  Speaker 4: And eighty foot home run initially, and then they had
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  Speaker 4: to go in and reach so and magically, sometimes that
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  Speaker 4: cast doesn't seem to work.
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  Speaker 5: It's not just Yankee Stadium.
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  Speaker 4: You know, cal Raley playing in the Al East Benway, Toronto.
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  Speaker 4: I mean like in the in the West, you're playing
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  Speaker 4: in Anaheim, and well, Sacramento has become a launching pad
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  Speaker 4: now Texas, but you know Texas isn't great. Yeah, Houston
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  Speaker 4: can be I don't know. I I like, I think
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  Speaker 4: too is like you're you adjust you're hitting level to
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  Speaker 4: your to the park itself, and how you would do.
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  Speaker 5: It, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I just think like if you put cal Ra in
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  Speaker 4: a Yankees uniform and he did the stuff he did
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  Speaker 4: this year, they'd be building a freaking statue outside of
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  Speaker 4: Yankee Stadium for him. I mean, like, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: the they'd be writing songs about it.
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  Speaker 5: It's just it's a different mindset in New York. But
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  Speaker 5: like Judges, just Judge.
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  Speaker 4: Is just different that Like, the dude is like hercules
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  Speaker 4: out there, and I don't take it.
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  Speaker 5: Away from him. But like again, like we're.
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  Speaker 4: Talking just about measuring value, and I just you know,
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  Speaker 4: to me, there's a lot value and one position over
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  Speaker 4: every other position in baseball, and that's catcher. And maybe
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  Speaker 4: I'm biased because I played it poorly in college, but
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  Speaker 4: like it's just and I watched so many catchers flame
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  Speaker 4: out and so many guys that you think are gonna
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  Speaker 4: be good and it just doesn't happen. And here's a
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  Speaker 4: guy that put together this sort of season and we'll
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  Speaker 4: never see a season like this again. He doesn't, you know,
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  Speaker 4: there is never going to be a season like this
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  Speaker 4: from a catcher ever again in.
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  Speaker 2: Baseball, true, true, okay, stack cast. I once watched a
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  Speaker 2: home run on stack cast at Steinbriger Field that went
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  Speaker 2: three hundred and fifteen feet in defence was three twenty,
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  Speaker 2: so I've yet to figure out how stack cast works.
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  Speaker 2: And then they went back and changed it. So you
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  Speaker 2: can take stack cast sometimes and throw it out the window.
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  Speaker 2: But this is my vote. My vote doesn't matter. Before
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  Speaker 2: we ask you, guys, who you think is gonna win
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  Speaker 2: because of voting. Cal Rawley's gonna win because Divish is
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  Speaker 2: in the Hall of Torture and Chris I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you guys are in the same hotel, but his
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  Speaker 2: room wins, so therefore Cal is going to win because
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  Speaker 2: just because of the background. That's it. No unbiased opinion
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  Speaker 2: as it can get.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you that it's not going to
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  Speaker 3: be unanimous if if Judge wins or Rally wins. I've
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  Speaker 3: spoken with voters who have voted for Raleigh. I've spoken
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  Speaker 3: with voters who voted for Judge, so I think it
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  Speaker 3: might be a close race. But again, I would be
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  Speaker 3: surprised if Judge didn't win, just considering his numbers.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I think Judge is probably going to win.
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  Speaker 4: I don't necessarily agree with it, but I've kind of done,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the internal polling as well, and I think
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  Speaker 4: Judge might edge cal out minimally. And that's I mean,
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  Speaker 4: that's what's crazy. Like I was looking when at the
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  Speaker 4: numbers and you just go through, I mean, think about this,
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  Speaker 4: Jose Ramirez is probably going to finish third, Bobby what's
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  Speaker 4: going to finish fourth? And look at the seasons they
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  Speaker 4: produced as well. What the top two guys have done
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  Speaker 4: is so different than anybody else in a long time
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  Speaker 4: in baseball. That's what's made this so unique. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you look at Ramiers this year, you look at Witch years,
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  Speaker 4: you look at all this stuff that they're they're very
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  Speaker 4: MVP caliber, and then you have these two guys doing
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  Speaker 4: stuff that hasn't been done in the game. And that's
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  Speaker 4: what's pretty ridiculous about all of it.
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  Speaker 6: Does this mean this is pretty and Chris, does this
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  Speaker 6: mean if Aaron Judge wins that a catcher will never
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  Speaker 6: win the MVP again because the last one to win
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  Speaker 6: it was Buster Posey and it's going to take massive,
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  Speaker 6: massive numbers.
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  Speaker 2: If cal Rally does not win this year.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it means a catcher is not going
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  Speaker 3: to win. I just think, you know, we see it
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  Speaker 3: across other sports, like sometimes guys have crazy seasons and
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  Speaker 3: don't win MVP because another guy had a crazy season.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't I don't think it means that a
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  Speaker 3: catcher is not going to win again.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so we just got away for judging Otani to retire.
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  Speaker 2: Then what you're saying, Oh yeah, I mean, I mean
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  Speaker 2: it's crazy though, And I know, Christy, I know you're
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  Speaker 2: a Yankee homer. I get it, But like, aren't people
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  Speaker 2: tired of voting for Judge? Aren't they tired of voting
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  Speaker 2: for Judge?
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  Speaker 3: I'm certainly not a Yankees homer. I think if you
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  Speaker 3: ask whence, they would say the opposite of that.
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  Speaker 5: So I think I.
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  Speaker 3: Think there's definitely judging Otani fatigue. But again, if they're
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  Speaker 3: going to continue putting up crazy numbers, then they should
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  Speaker 3: be rewarded. It's like the NBA with Nicole Jokic. If
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  Speaker 3: Yoki is going to go crazy every single year, does
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  Speaker 3: that mean he shouldn't win MVP just because he has
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  Speaker 3: good numbers and the other guys don't have as good numbers,
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  Speaker 3: So I don't get the argument when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: voter fatigue. If a player deserves it, then they should win,
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  Speaker 3: no matter how many MVPs they've won.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair. Before we let you go, I gotta know,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: we talked manager of the Year before you guys came
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: on here. So it was winning the manager of the
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: year in the American League. And I know Divish, because
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: he's a Mariner's homer, was definitely gonna say Dan Wilson.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: But I'm expecting what do y'all to say? John Schneider,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: probably the guy that's right here on the screen.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking bout. I think Voat's gonna win it. He
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: should win it. Vote had the least amount of talent.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, they were gutting that team. You know, they
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: dropped Naylor, they got rid of guys, and you know,
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: at one point in the season they were cooked, and
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: then you know, they.
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: Just kept playing.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: And Stephen Bote is one of the best human beings
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: I've ever been around. He was with the Mariners for
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: one year and I think he does a fantastic job.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: I you know, given what he had the talent he
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: had to do. What they did this year.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: I think that's deserving a Manager of the Year, but
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: not everybody looks into that perspective, and so much of
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: it is based on what you thought the team was
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: going to be before. I will say this about Schneider, like,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: there's a lot that can go wrong in Toronto and
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: people have kind of you know before or the shoo.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: People are always looking for something to go wrong. I
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: thought he did a great job. I think it's I
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: think all three of these guys. The big thing is
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: it's not like strategy, because they've been beaten up for
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: their strategy, all three of them. But what these guys
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: get is the players to prepare and play and play
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: for each other in a way that I think that's
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: the biggest part of manager.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: We talk about the whole bullpen stuff.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Getting guys to show up and work and compete every
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: single day. That's the biggest role of the manager. It's
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: not you know, who's going to pinch hit in the seventh.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I think Schneider is gonna win. Okay, Schneider's gonna win
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: with because you know, Ryan was mentioning it. Tono was
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: projected to finish in last place in the Al East,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: and there was a ton of heat on Schneider going
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: into the season. I mean, you could certainly make the
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: argument that Schneider and Ross Atkins were managing and general
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: managing for their jobs coming into the year, and they
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: ended up going to the World Series and had the
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: best record in the American League. So what Schneider did
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: this year to frankly save his job definitely deserves consideration
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: for Manager of the Year.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: All right, well, glad we're on the same page on
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: that one.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: East coast bias is real.
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: East coast, west coast bias. To be in the hills
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: of Montana, he's still west coast bias.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: You guys should actually kind of what east coast bias
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Wayne to the east.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Stephen Midwest that.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: We should be in Vegas in zone.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Come on, Cleveland's the Midwest.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: David, you don't want me and you in Vegas for
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: a couple.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: Of days ago, Well that's what I was gonna say.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Are you even allowed in Vegas anymore?
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: He has to be uh what do they call it supervised?
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yeah, when he goes into Vegas.
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: When he goes into Vegas, he gets one of those
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: cones that they put on the dog after surgery, and
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: that's how AJ has to walk around just like this
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: all the time in Vegas.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: I thought you were gonna go shot caller instead, so
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: like you're holding every time shock him.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, get off, get out of that table too.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: No, you can't talk to those people. No, you can't
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: All right, we've at that point of the segment. Good
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: stuff there.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks you guys both.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: For joining us. I really appreciate it. I know you
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: got a lot going on right now. So, uh, you
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: can catch Chris and his coverage in the Athletic and
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: you can catch Ryan and his coverage in the Seattle Times.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Thanks guys, talk seeing see you guys at MGM Odds.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: At the start of the of spring training, not even
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: at the start of the year, Judge was at plus
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: three Hundo, Cale.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Rolly was plus ten. I hope someone and you know,
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• 20:55
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Oh no, no, no, no, I'm saying I bought I bought it.
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  Speaker 6: When you first said he's gonna be the MVP. That
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  Speaker 6: was before, like before even like June, or maybe it
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: was like June first. You said it, and I think
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: I got it at like plus twelve hundred at that
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: point or plus eight hundred.
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  Speaker 2: I have to go back and look.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: So Judge was still dominant. Remember after what two three
• 21:29
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• 21:39
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• 21:42
  Speaker 1: actually it kind of was for cal Raley.
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  Speaker 2: Cal used it, you know that guy. Yeah, but I'm
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: saying the first four games was the Torpedo Bats series
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: when the Yankees were like all using them and they
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: hit all those homers off the Brewers the four game sweep,
• 21:56
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  Speaker 2: had that guy. I mean, they both didn't make the
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  Speaker 1: Great, right. The impacted some guys and it didn't impact
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  Speaker 2: Get You can't quantify it, that's mine look at their salaries.
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  Speaker 1: wrote a story in the Orange County Register about Lucas
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  Speaker 1: Giolito not working out for the Angels a couple seasons
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  Speaker 1: ago when they acquired him, and they brought up his
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: divorce as reasoning.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: You love the Angel Scott.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: The Angels are the gift that keeps on giving content wise,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: and Fletcher is one of the beat reporters out there.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: This is definitely coming from a team official. They don't
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: mess around with their coverage the part from the story.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: The Angels believe part of what went wrong with Giolito
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: then was that he had started divorce proceedings right before
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the trade, unbeknownst to the Angels when they made the
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: deal and he was distracted. Sam Blom, who covers the
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Angels for The Athletic Quote, tweeted it and said, Wow,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: can't believe this was said. I Agreenumber one absolute shot fired.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Number two you can still pitch despite going through a
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: divorce proceeding. Number three krats it was public information before
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: they acquired him. And number four he probably had a
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: messed up elbow since he underwent Tommy John surgery soon
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: after that.
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: Anything else, I'm just going to hit the one thing
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: because people forget when we talk about players like that,
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: they're humans. Like everybody thinks like this mercenary just came
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: in to pitch for their team and it didn't go well.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: For whoever said this, I don't care if it is
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: the lowest totem pole person who leaked this out. For
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: whoever said this, screw you, because what he's going through
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: in his personal life could affect what's going on in
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: the field, whether it's been out there, whether anybody knows
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: it or not.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: All that stuff.
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: You don't need to bring that up. You don't need
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: to bring personal things up in evaluating why somebody not publicly,
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: maybe hey, you know what we're going through this, we're
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: you know, we're talking about this internally, Hey, this person's
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: going through it. Maybe that goes into your discussion internally.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: Don't ever bring it up in the public. I just
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: don't understand it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: But the other thing is, didn't they trade for him
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: and then they shipped them to Cleveland right after.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: The dump deadline?
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: And then Ronaldo Lopez? Didn't they then show Cleveland like
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: the same time. Yes, and you only had a few
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: starts with the Angels, right like three or four starts,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: and then they're like, oh, no, never mind, what change
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: am I? We're going to tell you guys right.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: One of the dumbest.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: It was one of the craziest things. But to say,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I agree with Chriss to say this, but this goes
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: back to our point we always talk about in here.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Players aren't robots. Things happen off the field. Now. Listen,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I played with dudes that were going through it, and
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: they played better because they were distracted and they were
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: thinking about other stuff and then I played dudes with
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the smallest, littlest, tiniest thing. To most people, they were
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: like sit in a corner and crawl up in a
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: ball because they couldn't handle it. So it's different personalities.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: That's why scouting is important. Makeup for guys is important,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: and trying to figure that out. But to say, oh,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: he didn't pitch Goodness three or four starts because he
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: was going through divorce, which was public at that time.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: This is just bad. It's just bad. It's just not cool. Sorry,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: it's not cool. Many the Angels have been through enough recently.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Aren't they still going through enough? At this point?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: They can't stop every person involved to say in the
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: front office of it was coming from there, from commenting,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: especially anonymously.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I don't love this, but what are you gonna do?
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: But that's why we're bringing it up, because we're like,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: what this is.
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: Where Maybe this is too much, but we all we
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: always talk about the little things with the Angels. Maybe
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: this is too much to like lump this in with it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: But organizations that are run well and run from the top,
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: they have issues, they have problems, yes, but if it
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: constantly keeps coming up with your organization. There needs to
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: be a discussion about that. There needs to be a
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: change because it all filters down from the top. I'm
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: not saying it's perimin Asian. I'm not even saying it's
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: just it's just Arty moreno, I could point more towards
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: ARTI moreno than periman Asian. But if it keeps happening,
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: you have to look to the top because that idea,
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: those like those things that are allowed you hold everybody
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: to a higher standard, and it starts from the top.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: By the way, for more context on this article, he
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: was talking about rotation options for the Angels this offseason.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: You know it's not gonna help you sign Lucas Giolito.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: This is season back there. Let's say pay him way.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: More, way more. This is bad pr to release something
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: like that about someone like that. I'm not saying to
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: reveal it again, we know it's revealed, but to be like, oh, yeah,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: you can pitch well because he was going through divorce
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: shootings like oh really, you know.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: But this had to come for somebody has some sort
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: of power in the organization. Yes, this isn't from like
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: an usher that's in the third Death, like I'm serious,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Like this had to come with somebody with a little
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: knowledge of the situation, right, so that it's just it's
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: a weird thing to say.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: I mean, not not sign Lucas Giolito, how about not
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: sign anybody?
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: How about nobody?
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: How about the fact that if this comes out and
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: I'm a free agent and they come to me with
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: a nice offer, maybe even the biggest offer, You're gonna
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: have some explaining to do, Like I'm gonna need to
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: find out like, because I want to be part of
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: this quote family. Yes, I want the money. Yes, that's
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: what free agents are looking for. But other free agents
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: are gonna look at this and be.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Like who who?
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I better be careful. I get it.
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: I'm accepting this money. But I don't know that I
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: can get super close with anybody because anything that I
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: anything that I'm confidently telling them in in secret, that
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: I think is going to stay in might get out.
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: This might cook them for more than just the Giolito
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: signing That wasn't gonna happen anyway.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Is it going to get leaked by the HVAC technician
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: too soon? Last thing, I.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Don't think I mean, I think you guys are taking
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: it I'm gonna be I don't know that other than Geolito,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think it. It affects other free agents you
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: don't really want. I don't think so. I think that
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Giolito it might affect, but I don't think it's gonna
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: affect it because if they come with the competitive offer
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: and they beat other offers. Listen, say what you want
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: about Anaheim, Los Angeles, Anaheim of Angels of Anaheim, or
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: whatever the hell you want to call them. An I'm
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: still a pretty good place to be. Like, if you could,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: if you make a lot of money, you go live
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: on Newport Coast and and go to Javiers every day
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: and hang out on the beaches and all that. It's
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: pretty good living down there. It's not La but you
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: still get the weather, and you still get some other stuff.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: You get less traffic and all that stuff. It's it's
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: a pretty good place. And if you can figure out,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: because I was there in two thousand and two when
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: they had the rally, the rally sticks and the monkey,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: the stupid monkey guy, the monkey jumping around and the
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: rally monkey jumping around. I was there. We lost, and
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: they all see us. To them, it's a pretty awesome
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: place when they're going right, if you could be the
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: one of the free ags, help turning around, give me
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: a special place. So I don't know that. I don't
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: know this affects anybody other than Lucas Giolito. But it's
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: just not a good thing to say.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more just whoever told that to Jeff for
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the story? Really? Yeah, that's all really, And again, if
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: you really want to go, we have Jeff here, that's
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: right showtime. But if you really want to go performance,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, you got elbow surgery soon after that, right
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: soon after that season ended, he shows up for spring
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: training and gets elbow surgery. There's a chance he didn't
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: pitch well because he had a compromised UCL. I would
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: say that's a better chance of being the problem. And
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: that you could say we didn't know, because nobody knew
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: that until you want to the Red Sox and they
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: found it could have happened then, but usually there's already
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: some wear and tear when that happens. Just throwing that
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: out there. You guys remember Dustin Garnett.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: The catcher.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a catching coach now for the Braves. He
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: was the bullpen coach for the Rockies last season. So
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: if you can make it through that, you can make
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: it through anything. The Rockies bullpen this past season. Holy shit.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: And he was the catching and game planing coordinator for
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the team's minor league system the previous two years. He's
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: gonna be like, damn upgrade.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah for real, for real?
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you come across him at all cracks?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: We played again, I mean played against each other, and
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: let's see, probably like fifteen on he was kinda yeah,
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: he was in that I've forgetting what his name is,
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: the big strong right hander. They kind of came up together,
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: Uh by hand hitting catcher ended up going to the the.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Rocky Huh Tom Murphy, Tom Murphy.
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, him and Garneault we're kind of passing passing in
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: the night at the same time.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Did you get to about his back and he suing
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: the Giants or something?
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you guys read about that.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know the whole story, but he's suing the
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Giants right because he misdiagnosed him or something.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pretty wild story. Basically, he said his
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: herniated disc wasn't treated correctly, misdiagnosed as a mild obleache,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: strain that made it worse than sent to an outside
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: clink by the team. But this is all coming from him.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: But they were injecting the wrong disc with an epidural
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: and later admitted that was the problem again according to
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: a story that was on his account, and said it's
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: malpractice and messed him up.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: We should bring him on. I don't know.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: You don't want to ask him about that.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't talk about I don't speculate on
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: injuries and stuff like that. I don't know. That's it.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: That's what he says. And that's the side of the story.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: And then you got to get the Giants involved, Okay,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Well, we're probably going to learn about that at some point.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: That case, this has been happening for a while though.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: What where someone gets hurt Tom Murphy thing, Oh Murphy's thing. Yeah, Well,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: because there was what was the Darren ruff had had
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: something too?
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: That was he tarp Yeah he.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Was he on the Giants at the time.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Hmmm. I don't know if it was a Giant now
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I think it was a Bruce. Here's the Bruce.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, hey we're here. Kyle Hendrix might be here too soon.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: He might be in the media. He's definitely gonna do
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: something great speaker, retiring after twelve years in the big leagues. Congratulations,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: nice run World Series.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Jo.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did a lot with a little even though that
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: might not sound fair. I mean, he wasn't pumping a hondo.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: It was clinical. The professor was the nickname.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: He was on here too.
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: I'd never talked to him before, and when he came
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: on here, he was not like because you just see
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: him walk off the mound after like getting the third
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: out in the fifth end of the World Series. When
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: he's on here, he's super engaging, very humble, always talking
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: about other people. I think, congratulations, what a.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Career media or team he's going front office office? Yeah,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I think he's he's a front He's got front office
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: written on him some team, and just because the heck,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: who knows he might be GM with some team next year.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: The way teams are highering these days, who knows he
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: might Actually he might be too old to be a
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: GM or manager. At this point, the Rockies are pissed
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: they made their move too soon. They were like, damn,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: we could have offered Carlo instead of getting a guy
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: from football. We could have got a guy that just
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: we could have had. We could have had him and
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Ottovino at the same time. We could have together. Actually,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: hope they had Auto Hindo.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: That's a GM or assistant jam in Colorado. I hope
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: they do