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The Forgotten Vampire of Southeast Asia: The Langsuir · Tales from Incredible Tales

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  Speaker 1: My name is Fa,
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  Speaker 2: my name is Wayne. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Kyle, and this is Tales from Incredible Tales, inspired
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  Speaker 1: by the classic horror series. We explore Southeast Asia's supernatural culture.
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  Speaker 2: In this episode, we learned about a female blood sucking
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  Speaker 2: revenant originating from Malay mythology.
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  Speaker 2: The female vampiric entity, also known as Langsui. This episode
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  Speaker 2: was inspired by the classic Incredible Tales episode Demon's Whip.
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  Speaker 1: A Langsui is the ghost of a woman who died
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  Speaker 1: while pregnant or giving birth. She is portrayed as a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful woman with long black hair, dressed in a green
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  Speaker 1: robe with long fingernails and is said to be able
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  Speaker 1: to detach her head from her body and have it
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  Speaker 1: fly around independently.
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  Speaker 1: She can even transform into an owl to travel or
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  Speaker 1: even stalk people. She sucks blood through a hole in
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  Speaker 1: the back of her neck and primarily targets children preferring
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  Speaker 1: the blood of newborn male children, but also consuming newborn
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  Speaker 1: female children.
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  Speaker 1: Similar to the infamous Pontianak, who you all know as
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  Speaker 1: a female vampire who met her end during childbirth, some
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  Speaker 1: even speculate the Pontianak's evolution from the Langssui, while others
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  Speaker 1: suggest a more complicated familial relationship where the Pontianak might
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  Speaker 1: be considered a child of the Langssui. According to the book,
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  Speaker 1: Malay Magic by Walter William Skiate, the way
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  Speaker 1: To defeat her is to cut her hair and nails
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  Speaker 1: short and stuff the hole in her neck, which will
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  Speaker 1: tame her into an ordinary woman or wife. To prevent
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  Speaker 1: a recently deceased mother from transforming into a lang shui,
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  Speaker 1: you put a hand's egg under each armpit, a needle
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  Speaker 1: in the palm of each hand and place glass beads
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  Speaker 1: into her mouth. The deceased woman then cannot become one
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  Speaker 1: because she cannot open her mouth to shout.
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  Speaker 1: There are many similar horror entities in Southeast Asia revolving
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  Speaker 1: around pregnancy. The infamous Pontiana, which is the spirit of
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  Speaker 1: a woman who died while pregnant or during childbirth. She
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  Speaker 1: takes a similar form, pale, long nails and sharp fangs,
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  Speaker 1: but chooses to lure men.
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  Speaker 1: The Penangalan from Malaysia and Indonesia is a woman who
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  Speaker 1: uses black magic and flies into houses with a detached
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  Speaker 1: head and dangling internal organs to feed on newborn infants
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  Speaker 1: and pregnant women. These are just some of many female
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  Speaker 1: horror entities explored in Southeast Asia horror media.
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  Speaker 1: We've discussed the similarities shared with other regional folklore, especially
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  Speaker 1: with the Lang Sui's origin story. Why do you think
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  Speaker 1: so many supernatural tales are connected to childbirth or the
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  Speaker 1: loss of a child? Do you think these stories emerge
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  Speaker 1: because of emotionally difficult and traumatic situations where people use
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  Speaker 1: the supernatural to make sense of them?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will, I will, but yes, I, I do
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  Speaker 2: think it is very much trying to make sense of
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  Speaker 2: something so horrible that we've been known to do that
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  Speaker 2: with anything that that we can't understand like completely anything
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  Speaker 2: that we, we can't figure out through whatever form of
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  Speaker 2: science that we have at the time.
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  Speaker 1: I
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  Speaker 2: mean that that that's,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's paranormal if you cannot explain through science
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  Speaker 1: means it's paranormal already. That's from my, my understanding or
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  Speaker 1: the flip side is that probably we don't have what
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  Speaker 1: it means to understand the supernatural at this juncture. That's
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  Speaker 1: why it's called the supernatural. Maybe it is some form
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  Speaker 1: of pseudoscience. It's just that we don't know how to
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  Speaker 1: Understand it or we have not been given the green
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  Speaker 1: light to understand it, yeah, you know, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean like I, I, I personally, I feel like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: the whole ritual to prevent a lang shui from coming
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  Speaker 1: is a bit, a bit far fetched la like the
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  Speaker 1: hands ache yeah, the hands is a bit farfetched. I, I,
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  Speaker 1: I won't necessarily believe in it, but like the Singaporean
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  Speaker 1: in me will be like, OK, lah, we just follow
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  Speaker 1: the ritual just, just in case.
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  Speaker 1: But have you seen the ritual before? No? Have you?
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  Speaker 1: I could close the cops, but I don't know. It
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  Speaker 1: might be true, you know, because I've read some stories
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  Speaker 1: like regarding, um, I think, uh, the Iban people, is
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  Speaker 1: it like they're from Sarawak and Saba, right? So basically
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  Speaker 1: back then, um, they, they don't have any like, um,
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  Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, lah, like religion.
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  Speaker 1: So they believe in what what is it called animism, right?
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  Speaker 1: So they have a few rituals that they do that
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  Speaker 1: they do right to prevent all these things from happening
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  Speaker 1: and uh I've read this one story, it's about uh
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  Speaker 1: one of like back in the day, la, right, there's
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  Speaker 1: this lady, she, she passed away and then there's a
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  Speaker 1: black cat went over her body and then afterwards, um,
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  Speaker 1: for lack of better word, things happen and then she
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  Speaker 1: really become Pontiana.
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  Speaker 1: But then, but then again, I don't know whether the, the,
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  Speaker 1: the story is true or not, and that story came,
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  Speaker 1: came from like I think Sarawak back in the day.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe it's like the olden, like the, you know,
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  Speaker 1: olden time people just discuss this. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's
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  Speaker 2: the other way of looking at it, like the, the
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  Speaker 2: one way of looking at it when, you know, um,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the lungs is.
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  Speaker 2: A way to deal with a very traumatic event, but
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  Speaker 2: the other way of looking at it is also if
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  Speaker 2: you go back far enough, I mean, there's a reason
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  Speaker 2: why you see, oh, she's got features of Pangalan. She's
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  Speaker 2: got features of Pontiara. She's got all these different, it's
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  Speaker 2: almost like she was the first. She came before all
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  Speaker 2: these others.
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  Speaker 1: Do
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  Speaker 1: you, do you, do you believe that because there's some,
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  Speaker 1: there's some, um.
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  Speaker 1: Studies that states that you know the the Fontana is
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  Speaker 1: actually a child of the lung xue. Do you believe
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  Speaker 1: that or are they separate entities? I have no idea.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know then who's the father, but, but, but honestly,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know lah. I think it's just individual entity lah.
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  Speaker 1: got such thing, man. But you, you've heard of like
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  Speaker 1: the lang shui when, when you were growing up, right?
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  Speaker 1: I heard of the, no, I heard of the Pontena
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  Speaker 1: when growing up. Lang shui. I think only.
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  Speaker 1: Like maybe after secondary school then I got to know
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  Speaker 1: the lang sui. So apparently like um people get confused
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  Speaker 1: between the lang sui and the Ponian right most, most
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  Speaker 1: of the time because they both, they both share like
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  Speaker 1: the same like characteristics and whatnot, right? I feel like
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  Speaker 1: lah then um.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, but like Langsui is like the, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the not, not that famous like that maybe she never
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  Speaker 1: produce more content, you know, for people to social media
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  Speaker 1: marketing you need to do better lah. Maybe, maybe she
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  Speaker 1: just don't have enough victims because Diana got more victims.
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  Speaker 2: OK, so that's an interesting thing. Did you, when did
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  Speaker 2: you find out about the lungs here
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  Speaker 1: like
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  Speaker 1: I will say in the past 6 years only, like,
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  Speaker 1: like only when I started doing horror stuff then uh
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  Speaker 1: the research led me to Lang xue but before that
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  Speaker 1: it was just Spontana right like even like I feel
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  Speaker 1: like if it may be a different spirit like if
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  Speaker 1: that happened to like one of those stories, right, then
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  Speaker 1: people just say, oh, it's Fontana. Maybe it's a female
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  Speaker 1: spirit that kind of looks like her when the Fontana
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  Speaker 1: cannot blame for everything. So look at me then because
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  Speaker 1: my fault my fault.
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  Speaker 1: But I heard the, so like Ponak, you know, right,
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  Speaker 1: they usually laugh, right, like for lang sui, right, it's
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  Speaker 1: a different kind of love. It's like a folk song, musang.
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  Speaker 1: So sometimes the kampong people, right, they miss, they, they
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  Speaker 1: mistook like a mussang for the lang sui.
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  Speaker 2: What I
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  Speaker 2: noticed was after we started reading up more about the
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  Speaker 2: lang shui, I realized that a lot of the things
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  Speaker 2: that we assigned to.
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  Speaker 2: The Pontira actually comes from her, so it's stuff like the, the,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Pontira targeting pregnant women, everything. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: that's more of a lung swear thing, or at least
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  Speaker 2: it derived from down there. So I think a lot of,
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  Speaker 2: I even feel like the whole because it's so similar
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  Speaker 2: what nail the whole the back of the head, everything.
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  Speaker 2: So it might be a case of maybe not evolved lah,
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  Speaker 2: but like maybe they were two separate things and then
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  Speaker 2: after all people just like you say lah or you
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  Speaker 2: saw a female spirit do something or just blame Potiana.
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  Speaker 2: She's the more popular one.
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  Speaker 1: But do you think like creatures like the Pontana and
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  Speaker 1: the Langssui, they are capable of like evolving?
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  Speaker 1: Evolve become stronger I think I think if you give
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  Speaker 1: them Moonstone they can evolve.
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  Speaker 2: I knew it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it is evolving on a serious note, I.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think they were evolve. I
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  Speaker 1: think they were just like making new uh entities are
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  Speaker 1: not evolve like make new, newer versions of Affinity. But, but, OK,
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  Speaker 1: if you think about it, why until now there's no
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  Speaker 1: new entities.
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  Speaker 1: Have you guys ever thought of that? I, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like back then back then got like Pondana Langi got
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  Speaker 1: Toyo all right. Why now don't have anymore, not enough deaths.
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  Speaker 1: Not enough death. Like the childbirth. Like I think generally like,
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  Speaker 1: like the health science is good enough to the point
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  Speaker 1: whereby like it's very, not say, not say not possible,
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  Speaker 1: but it's like very improbable for a pregnant woman to
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  Speaker 1: die from childbirth like back in the olden days because
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  Speaker 1: the medical science is not as, not as advanced one. No,
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  Speaker 1: but what, what about like other entities like Toyo, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like your mawas, the black figure,
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  Speaker 2: but even Toyo, it starts from a, from a fetus.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's a dead fetus,
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  Speaker 1: right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: true.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of them go back to, to pregnancies, la,
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  Speaker 1: yeah, actually to pregnancy because I think Asians we view
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  Speaker 1: like pregnancy all this as something that is very close
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  Speaker 1: to death, lah, like like, like because it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of to protect the, the, the, the child and the mother, right?
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  Speaker 1: So I feel like.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, because the way we view this, so therefore a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the entities are around it, Kumanong, Toyo, Pontana, Langssu, uh, Panangau, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I just realized that actually because it's taboo, right, taboo, right? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there are many different variations but are mostly commonly associated
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  Speaker 1: as creatures of the night who prey upon human blood.
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  Speaker 1: The most classic vampire is Count Dracula, the legendary blood-sucking
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  Speaker 1: character from Bram Stoker's novel Dracula published in 1897. Asian vampires, however,
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  Speaker 1: often use the idea of the undead or reanimated corpse
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  Speaker 1: as a representation of social disruption like the tragedy of childbirth.
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  Speaker 1: Female Asian vampires like the Lang.
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  Speaker 1: are also usually associated with shape shifting spirits rather than
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  Speaker 1: just being purely undead. To compare the representations of vampires
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  Speaker 1: from East versus West, popular vampire characters in Western media
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  Speaker 1: are usually male and prey upon young women. Nosferatu, Lester
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  Speaker 1: from Interview with the Vampire.
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  Speaker 1: Edward Cullen from Twilight, creepy. While Asian vampires tend to
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  Speaker 1: be female, disguising themselves as attractive young women, but eventually
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  Speaker 1: transforming into hellish demons who suck blood at night. They
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  Speaker 1: also tend to target children, sleeping individuals, or pregnant women.
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  Speaker 1: There are so many different depictions and variations of vampire.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think it's important for us to have
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  Speaker 1: these different variations represented?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think each variation can represent different stories or
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  Speaker 1: themes or indicate the sign of the times?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know so much about that. My, my running theory,
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  Speaker 2: not just about vampires, but about
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  Speaker 2: The the supernatural creatures that we all grew up with
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  Speaker 2: is that it's similar to what you were saying just
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  Speaker 2: now where, you know, birth is, is, it's it's, it's
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  Speaker 2: something that's very important. It represents life. Um, my theory
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  Speaker 2: has always been that sometimes unfairly women get
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  Speaker 2: Assigned the role as oh you are only the caregiver,
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  Speaker 2: you're only the person who takes care of the baby, um,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so because women are seen as the nurturing type, the, the, the,
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  Speaker 2: oh I will, I will protect you, I will take
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  Speaker 2: care of you.
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  Speaker 2: The scariest thing you can possibly imagine is the complete
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  Speaker 2: opposite of that, lah. So you take the thing that is,
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  Speaker 2: is sweet, is stereotype as sweet stereotype as or the
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  Speaker 2: one who will take care of you all the time,
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  Speaker 2: and then you flip down and it is the one
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  Speaker 2: that's gonna kill you, is the one that's gonna suck
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  Speaker 2: your blood.
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  Speaker 1: So that, that what makes it scary.
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  Speaker 2: That's what makes it scary, but I, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: why it is.
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  Speaker 2: That way in the east and less so in the west.
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  Speaker 2: I think, I don't think it was a conscious thing
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  Speaker 2: on anybody's part. I think because Dracula was, I don't,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's the first, um, story of vampires
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  Speaker 2: in the west, but I think it's the most popular.
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  Speaker 2: So from there it's like, OK, he's the very romantic figure.
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  Speaker 2: He will, he will come into the night, but like.
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  Speaker 2: You know he's a gown, so he's very rich, very
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  Speaker 2: good looking, so that stereotype kind of like you look
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  Speaker 2: at like the stat, you look at, uh, Edward color
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  Speaker 2: and all that, it's all kind of good looking people, lah,
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  Speaker 2: very good looking people, uh, but it's all kind of
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  Speaker 2: based on that, that idea that Dracula had set in
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  Speaker 2: the first place, I understand, yeah, so I think that's
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  Speaker 2: why it's different down there. That's my theory, lah, um.
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  Speaker 2: Why do we, why is it important for us to
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  Speaker 2: these different variations? I don't know if importance is the
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  Speaker 2: right word. I think it's great lah. I think it's,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's great because
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  Speaker 2: For whatever reason, each of them
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  Speaker 2: Has become the representation of east of east and west.
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  Speaker 2: So it's almost like
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  Speaker 2: You know, we have our own different cultures on either
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  Speaker 2: side of the world and it becomes like a cultural
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  Speaker 2: exchange lah. So, oh, what's your vampire like? What's your
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  Speaker 2: vampire like? So you get an idea of where
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if social norms is the right word, lah,
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  Speaker 2: but like you get an idea of what people were
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  Speaker 2: thinking or what was the reasoning behind creating these vampires
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  Speaker 2: or these these myths at the time lah. OK,
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  Speaker 1: let me ask you guys a question. OK. Imagine a Dracula.
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  Speaker 1: OK,
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  Speaker 2: I'm imagining one right now.
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  Speaker 1: Is it really scary, scary to you guys?
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  Speaker 2: You're talking about the Western,
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  Speaker 1: bro. Western one. No, right? No, bro. I'll say how
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  Speaker 1: much is it, uh, to pay you to bite me,
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  Speaker 1: turn me into immortal? I'll pay you. I'll pay you
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  Speaker 1: in Bitcoin.
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  Speaker 2: OK, OK. Why is it less frightening for you?
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  Speaker 1: She don't look like the undead lah. I mean if
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  Speaker 1: if it's the one that we've seen in
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  Speaker 1: You know, mainstream film, not the recent Nosferatu in 24. Then, OK, lah,
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  Speaker 1: that one I I still Nosferatu scary one, yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: one is very terrifying. Yeah, yeah, he looked like a,
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  Speaker 1: a copse, like an actual copse. You, you'll be terrified of, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because he's scared of like, yeah, but he's not shouted.
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  Speaker 1: He's basically you can see the whole body like all
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  Speaker 1: rotting and stuff. But, but even then I will ask
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  Speaker 1: him like, OK, how, how much.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody has a price, including Dracula.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he's he's probably got a lot of money already.
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  Speaker 2: He don't, to be fair, you're right, lah. He probably
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  Speaker 2: don't deal in crypto. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm not, I don't think I'll be as
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  Speaker 1: terrified because maybe it's because the.
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  Speaker 1: The cultural, uh, difference, I'm not scared of angst. So,
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  Speaker 1: so the reason why I ask, right, is basically is
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  Speaker 1: because it's like East versus West, right? It's just what
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  Speaker 1: we are afraid of. So like if you ask me, right,
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  Speaker 1: I think in, in my belief, right.
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  Speaker 1: They, this jinn, right, all these ghosts which in my
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  Speaker 1: religion we call it as jinn, right? They will shape
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  Speaker 1: shift into something that you are afraid of. So they
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't like in Singapore or in Southeast Asia, right, they
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't like shape shift into a Dracula because obviously you
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  Speaker 1: are not afraid of it, right. So they will shift,
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  Speaker 1: they will shape shift into something that you are afraid of.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not like it's like for example, I think
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  Speaker 1: you told me the story, remember?
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  Speaker 1: There's this Angm saw Pontiana and then like the angmo
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  Speaker 1: talked to the Pontiana like friends like that because the
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  Speaker 1: angmo not scared of the Pontiana. What if what if
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  Speaker 1: the angmor saw a Dracula? Oh my days is a Dracula,
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  Speaker 1: you get what I mean? Oh, that's
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  Speaker 2: what is the accent.
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  Speaker 1: OK, but, but honestly, my, my take is that the
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  Speaker 1: East and West is the way they treat the undead,
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  Speaker 1: the supernatural, where the West, right, they, they actually celebrate
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  Speaker 1: it maybe because like it's been around for so long
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  Speaker 1: they do ghost tours, they're like, oh, you know, this,
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  Speaker 1: so you, you go for this tour, you probably will
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  Speaker 1: see a spirit. West, the east were a bit more uh.
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  Speaker 1: I think we call reverence to the date and the
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  Speaker 1: date to the point whereby we are kind of scared
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  Speaker 1: of doing it, but I feel like we are opening up.
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  Speaker 1: There's more ghost tours now, but there's actually a ghost
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  Speaker 1: tour that you can go to for Changi. So I
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  Speaker 1: think uh slowly we'll get there.
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  Speaker 1: There, uh, eventually you will reach a point whereby it's
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: like the west. Oh, you go to this, uh, place
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: that you probably will see a kaka on the trees,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: but if you see a kaka on the trees, don't
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: go and antagonize or just move on, you know. I
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: don't know if you ask me. I mean, like, obviously, um.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: For ice cream, let's say if there's only one flavor,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be nice, right? So you've got many different flavors,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: it's good lah.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: What, what I
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: hope that's a good analogy, you know, I do get
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: your point, it's the, the variety down
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: there. If let's say there's no like variations, right, we
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: wouldn't we wouldn't even be talking about this right now.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: That's
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: true. That's true. That's true. So now we're gonna deal
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: with some generational trauma. Uh, Asian parents using horror stories
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: as a parenting tool is a common practice across many
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Asian families, used to enforce obedience, safety, and to warn
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: children against cultural taboos.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: They sometimes use extreme supernatural or graphic scenarios to shock
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: children into obedience. For example, the tale of, and I
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: apologize if I'm mispronouncing this, uh, Weiwei Gombel, is that correct? OK. Uh,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Javanese and Sudanese myth is used to keep children from
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: wandering outside in the dark. She's a vengeful yet protective
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: female spirit that is known for kidnapping children.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: And is said to steal them away to her lair,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: often in the branches of a palm or capuchi. In Singapore,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: parents can also resort to using extreme examples to prevent
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: children from forming bad habits. To prevent children from throwing
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: tantrums or folding their arms when frustrated, parents often threaten
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: to chop off their arm, which usually works immediately.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Another example is not to whistle at night, otherwise it
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: would be seen as an invitation to wandering spirits, and
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: legend states that whatever you hear whistling back will not
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: be human. I'm quite sure I know the answer to this.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Do you believe in using horror stories as cautionary tales
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: for parenting, and where would you draw the line?
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I believe so. I mean, I grew up, like, you know, my,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: my late great grandmother, right, because I grew up with her.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Then she always will say, hey, buddy, ah, before 7
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: you better go back, ah, if not the elongated personality
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: entity will come and get you will hide you under
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: the elongated personality lah.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I just, I'm not lying.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I've never met your grandmother, but I am picturing her
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: elongated personality.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a, there's
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know, but I'm picturing her.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: And then like, I mean like growing up there's a
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: lot of like, uh, panang ang also like, you know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: you cannot, uh, cut your nails at night. You cannot whistle,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: you know, I, I recently, I just heard of a
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: new one,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I wasn't, I wasn't, I didn't know about this la basically.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: So you know, after you do your laundry, right, and
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: there will be like a big pile of laundry that
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: you have to fold right one by one, right? So
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: apparently it's not good for you to keep all your
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: laundry like like that on top of your bed or
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: on top of your sofa. It's better for you to, OK,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: quickly go and fold it because apparently lah, again, again,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm right or wrong, correct me
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, uh, they say uh these entities or
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: these genes, right, they like
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Like unfolded laundries.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Funny, right? Like funny, right? I don't know I don't
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: know why. Maybe you guys can leave it in the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: comments lah. I got to know this from one of
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: my viewer for my show, right? And then I was
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: thinking to myself, you know, like maybe this one is
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: also another parenting thing, you know, you make sure for
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: your laundry, if not, you know, all like this one,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: so you know for you I think it works even
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: for for.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Adults are like, but, uh, but there's some, I guess
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: there's some truth in it because like if you follow
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: feng shui, right, they say actually a messy house is
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: actually bad for luck. Then you see, it's really not
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: good for money lah for money because like you, you
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: don't want to block areas of wealth like they say
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: if you pile your clothes at a certain corner that
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: is supposed to attract wealth and it's not so good
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: for you lah. So I guess there's some truth in it, uh,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: but back to your question.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I think yes la 100% like like the the main
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: thing because my my grandmother grew up in a kampong
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: and then she was saying that like at night right
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: after a certain time they don't go on oh but
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: if it's kampong kampong and it's dark lah yeah and
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: and and like she she brought that to HDB's like hey,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: after 6 I cannot go out.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as a kid you later go out later the
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Momo catch you. A more is ghost catch you, then
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: you're gone, yeah, and like don't hang clothes at night.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: But you guys call them as Moo also, yeah, Momo.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Oh Moo is not a Malay word. I don't know. No,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: it could be.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Is it, is it a Malay
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: word? Why are you looking at me? He's right
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: here. No, you're
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: the writer, bro. I also failed Malay since primary 2.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Doesn't matter but
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: you're the writer, bro. I'm fairly certain
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: is a Malay word right.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: The Momo Momokkan yeah correct it's a Malay word.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Just that, oh, I'm, I'm surprised you're oh because she's
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Malaysian. No, not just that, but I also do feel
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: like his grandmother's generation, they came from a time where
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: everybody spoke, everybody from
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Malaysia. So a lot of the words that I learned
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Pontana I like, what is Pontana? like we don't speak
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: of her at night. We do not speak of her
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: at night. Yeah, but I think everything I still kind
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: of believe, uh, to this point, except for whistling, whistling. I,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: what is that? I don't, I don't understand what whistling
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: like
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: if you whistle at night, right? OK.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: OK to whistle at night, but if somebody whistle back, right,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I won't come back, not because I'm scared, you know,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: because I think it's very rude to whistle at people.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: It's like you call the waiter, correct, correct, correct. The
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: line between good and bad can be blurry at times.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Even though horror movies contain scary or villainous creatures, it
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean we always root against them. However, when you
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: start to empathize with the villains, it starts blurring the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: line between the antagonist and the victim.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Which gives viewers more complexity when understanding characters' motivation. Classic
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: monsters are not always fully terrifying and antagonistic, and viewers
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: may end up rooting for different characters despite their roles
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: in the narrative. For example, Frankenstein's monster, who is portrayed
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: visually as a horrifying monster, but is really a misunderstood creature.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: who searches for love and acceptance in a cruel world
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: that judges and rejects him. There are even films where
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: you root for the characters even though you know they
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: deserve their inevitable fate, like feeling empathy for Shigeharu Aoyama
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: in audition or Christine from Sam Raimi's Drag Me to Hell.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: The horror genre is also able to freely explore the
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: dark parts of humanity, letting the audience decide whether or
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: not it is the human or the entity characters that
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: are the real monsters. What do you think is the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: line between a good or a bad spirit? Would you
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: say an entity that you empathize with is a good spirit?
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Uh, I, I thought of Nangn for some reason. Uh, that's,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: that's not really like, I mean, like, you know, Nang
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: N is not really like a, she's not, it's quite sad. No,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: it's a spirit of a circumstance. It's like she doesn't
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: want to be here but she has no choice.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but waiting for the husband, so you empathize with her, right? You,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: you know, like, but she still needs to go.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: You to go to the light, I understand. I need
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: to like go through the reincarnation and the karma everything
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: because uh the beliefs uh is that.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Ghosts and humans are not meant to be together. There's
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: a reason why there's boundaries between our realm, realms, yeah.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: So I feel like uh crossing that boundary.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: It's already breaking the rules. So I feel like, uh,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: there's no such entity as, as a good one. Yeah,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: it's just that whether if they are malicious or not.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: So I think that's the difference, understand. So I mean
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: like if you ask me the question, right, which entity
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I empathize with, right, is the nanna for me, I
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: don't know, for you. I just thought about Frankenstein actually.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Frankenstein quite cute, but Frankenstein is not an entity, it's
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: more like a creature monster is a monster.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say there's.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: good or evil spirits. A lot of these creatures and
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: spirits come from humans. They, they are humans who passed
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: away and then
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: To to use your Pokemon term over time have evolved
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: to become these entities.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: And I think that like all humans, you can't say
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: one human is purely or you can rarely say that
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: a human is purely evil uh or purely good and
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of us, most of us fall
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: into like a gray area. So for me, these creatures,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: these spirits and entities.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: It's like what you said, they, they, they, they are
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: this way because of circumstance. Most of them didn't want
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: this to happen to them, and I think that
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: In that sense, yes, they do horrible things, but, and
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I do not condone the horrible things, but while I
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: do not condone the horrible things that they do, I
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: can understand what drove them to that point.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: So if you ask me which creature I empathize with,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: in a way, almost all of them, I think
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: The ones that I empathize with the most are the
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: ones I mean bringing it back to to Langsu and
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: you know her her let's just call it distant relative
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: the Ponterra. I empathize with these ones the most because
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: their their story is one of tragedy and I.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I, I feel empathy for them. I wish that they
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: would find peace. Um, so those are the ones that
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I empathize with the most.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: For me, the spirit that I would empathize is, uh,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: the Kumanong or the Toyo because they, it takes a
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: lot to be reincarnated as a person, as a child again,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: and then to not succeed in it or either aborted
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: or like, you know, uh, not succeed lah.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Then to be used as a tool, a weapon, I
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: think that's really horrible. Yeah, yeah, and it's unnatural. I
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: think it shouldn't be used lah. In my opinion, either
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: for good or evil, I think either way I I
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: feel like they should just be left to rest or
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: given another chance to reincarnate. We have a question for
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: everyone here and those watching at home. For this episode,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I would like to know, who do you think would
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: win in a fight? Lang Swei?
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Or Dracula. You, you say first. You say first.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I thought about it. I mean, like, I'm just, I'm
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: running things through in my head, you know. So like
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: the Dracula then will be like, Hey, hey there, I miss,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: you know, how are you? Langsui will be like, um,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: hey hey hey, you know, the, the folk sound, right? Yeah,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: folk sound, right. I used to claw, right? She's like a,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: she's like a, you know, she's not really that sweet, lah, right?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I think Langsui will win.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: OK, we assume that it's one on one, right? Dracula
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: not going to use his brides to gang up on her.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I know
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: 11 1 bro. No, I don't think they fight fair, bro.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: OK,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: so we don't think they fight fair.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: The spirits. Why would they fight fair?
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: That's
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: why I'm asking whether it's fair or
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: honor
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: among spirits. I feel no, but at least a 1 vs.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's a pride, not even honor. It's a pride thing.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: It's like 11. I can take you on, OK,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: square box
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: if
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: it,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: if it's.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: I think, OK, to be fair, I think my answer
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: for both is the same. If it's 1 v 1,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: it's still lungs to her. I feel like she's more
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: vicious than Dracula. Dracula, Dracula.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: He's got a lot of the oh must look cool
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: must look cool kind of thing. So there's a lot,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot of posing on his part,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: right, but Lang shui
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: don't care, bro.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: She's like I came here to fight. So both of
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: you Lang xuei Lang xue I will say also even
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: if Dracula got his brides involved, I think Lang xuei
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: will talk to them and go like, what, what are
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: you doing with this guy?
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Well, I can imagine you can do better. It's like
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Langsui level 100, then Dracula like level 5 only, yeah,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: easy to kill, bro, like slash all the
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: way.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: OK, so here's my answer. I, I, I am 100%
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: uh in support of Lang shui because Southeast Asian pride,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: but I, after thinking about it and watching the films
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: back to back recently, I think Dracula will win the fight.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, don't, don't move.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I'm, I'm just trying to be the devil's advocate because
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I think, uh, Lang Xue is created by circumstance, right?
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Like it's a usually a woman die of childbirth or
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: tragic death. It's not really related to satanic power, whereas Dracula, right,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: if you go far back enough, enough in terms of the, the,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: the history and how it's created, right, it's actually a
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: man who used black magic and he sold his soul
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: to the Satan. So he has satanic powers, yeah.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Nosferatu, Dracula, uh, even though the, the, the difference is
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: there lah, and it can control, it can create plaques.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: He can control zombie fight people. So imagine how powerful
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: that he can be at like at full power. This
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: is like the not me going like full power, I think.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Either one on one or with help, I think Dracula
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: will win based on uh where the power comes from
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: because this one is come from satanic power whereas Lang
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: shui is more like created because circumstance, not, not, not
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: that one like yeah unless you're telling me Langsui is
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: created because of satanic power, then, then that changes the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: whole vibe.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is, I'm just going through the technicality now.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I mean like when I, when I, when I hear
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: you talk, right, it's just like my mind right when
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: since when horror becomes so geeky already,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: you know, like it's, it's always been kind of geeky,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: but I understand. I understand actually quite true the technicality
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: of it, yeah, because he has.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Essentially the backing of Satan, bro. Should I, should I
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: change my answer?
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: You can stick to your answer. Let's. How do you
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: feel like you want to change your answer?
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: No, uh, I, I'm Malay pride. I Asian pride, la,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: but I, I need to look at the more logical
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: and technical side of things, and I think it will
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: be fun for, for me to talk about this fly though, yeah, yeah,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: can
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I devil's advocate. You're a devil's advocate, yeah, OK. I
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: agree with you about the power scaling. Yeah, OK, fair enough.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Passion, I think passion plays a part. Has more dog
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: in the fight. She got more, got more motivation to.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: She's the underdog, la, la, and I think you cannot
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: discount the passion that you will have to take down.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: But you
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: need to also understand that Dracula did not survive hundreds
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: of thousands of years without having that drive. Also, like,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: you know how much drive you need to have after
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: living so long. What's
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: his, bro? What's his competition? You stay at your castle.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: His competition is Van Helsing.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: One
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: one old man like I'm going to kill you. Hey,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: please, and, and
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: depending on which version you watch, apparently werewolves also, you know,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: fight werewolf. So it's a, it's a very good fight
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: lah like because underdog, right, so they don't like dogs,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: so they fight the dog la. They don't like dogs.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I feel like the moment I say underdog, you were like, OK, OK,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: I load it in the chamber.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's interesting. This, this is like the first
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: time like this conversation like really we really prolonged
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: this conversation.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Now Kyle, I want to hear your morbid facts for
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: this episode.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Not bad.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Thank
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: you.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Thank you. OK,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Carl win, uh, vampires do not necessarily exist on only
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: myths and stories. They are actually real vampire subgroups who
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: believe they need to consume blood to survive.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: They aren't supernatural or immortal, but they are active members
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: of a society that practices sanguinarium. Basically, they consume small
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: amounts of blood or psychic feeding of energy, vampirism, uh,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: basically energy vampire, like people talk about their car a
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: little bit too long.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Then you will be sienna. They engage in consuming blood
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: with consenting partners, only consuming small doses of blood through
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: vials or syringes. They exist all over the world, but
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: their largest communities are in major Western cities like New Orleans,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: New York, and London. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I, I, weirdly enough, I've heard of this.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: It was OK lah. I don't say it was popular, right,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: but it was popular enough in the 90s that I
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: heard about it back then in Singapore. People drink. No, no, no,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: not in Singapore. You hear about the, the story. New
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Orleans was the big one lah, but I'm not surprised that,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: you know, they'll say like it's the biggest cities around
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: the world so, but I heard about this before. Look.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Consenting partners. So I'm like, OK, fine, you know, to
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: each their own, whatever makes you happy, it's not my thing.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: But if this is your kind of thing, sure man.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: But immediately when I hear about this, did y'all ever
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: hear about, have you, have y'all both seen Dune? Yeah, OK, OK,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: so in Dune, uh, long story short, the characters will
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: take this thing called Spice, and then the eyes turn blue.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I have heard about people who are such big fans
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: of Dune that they tattoo their eyeball blue. Yes, so
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: when I hear about people who
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Have again you consulting partner what you do behind closed doors,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: that's your own business. I'm, I,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I, whatever
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: rocks your boat. I,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I do find it a bit weird, but I also
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: don't want to like judge your lifestyle that way. But
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: that's what I think of lah. I immediately think of
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: those people who tattooed their eyeballs are
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: like there's love for certain things and then there's obsession.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Are you a sponsor of
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: this.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Um, what do you think?
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Ayna whatever rocks your boat lah. If you like to
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: drink blood, then you drink blood lah. I like to
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: eat strawberry. Actually, I don't like to eat strawberry. I
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: think that back strawberry sucks. You you guys are like
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: super like neutral. You're like very no no no, very
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: nice. I, OK, look,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: look look
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: look
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: look.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Like I said, it's consenting, so I, it is not
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: something I will ever try. It's not something I can
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: think of ever doing, OK? But you're not hurting anybody,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: so I'm like, OK lah, do what you want to do.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you, you ever tasted blood before, right? Yeah.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: You know it tastes like iron la.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: It tastes like iron. There's an iron in me, but
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: you know it tastes like blood, right? Yeah, tastes like. Yeah,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: but you know how it doesn't taste good, right? I mean, I,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I don't. That's why they say small amounts. I think
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: it's more like they feel like they have power or
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: something or like I drink your blood means I have
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: power over you.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Why are you pointing to me? You're not
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: touching my blood.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, for example, yeah, I don't think you will.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think they are drinking it for the taste,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: but if they are, then I will, I will, I
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: will always steer clear. Like, like I, I find it
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: kind of weird. Like this is like obsessed level. Like
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: you really think that you're a vampire. Good for you, uh,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: good that you have consent, uh, but I will still
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: think that you're a bit weird lah. Uh, I mean
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: like we, I mean, you know, you never know. Like
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: maybe one of our viewers drink blood also, so we must.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: We must be respectful, alright. This is a very, you know, um,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: multiracial country, you know, nothing to do with race. No,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: this is, you know,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: especially in this
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: world, genuinely, genuinely, if there's anybody out there who's watching this,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: if you drink, let's just say part of this community, OK,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: part of this, this vampiric community.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Can you tell us in the comments what drove you
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: to this? I'm, I'm genuinely curious.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: OK. Tell me why.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Tell us why.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: No, we don't need to ask one. They will say one. Yes,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: they will, as a representative of the community, they will
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: scold us on. Yeah, either way, they will still scold us. But,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: but I genuinely think that like if you really do that, I'm,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I'm worried about your health. It can't be too sanitary.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: It can't be too clean
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: if somebody paid you to give them your blood.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, small ones, would you take the money? How much?
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Everybody has a price. OK,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: what's your price? What's your price?
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: 100k for maybe 100 g 100 g, 100k. Yeah, 100k. Yeah, sure.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: So to me it's a transaction. It's not a king
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: ding to them. Maybe it's a king ding. I don't care. Yeah, yeah.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Like it's everybody has a price.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: It sounds like a
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: sinner. What you sound like is the million dollar man
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: from WWE.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Million dollar man, OK, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: alright, fair enough. So let us know in the comments,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: which
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I'm
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: sure you will. I don't want to know, to be honest.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not interested
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: in knowing, not about the offer to Carl, just about
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: if you are part of
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: this community,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: if
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: you
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: drink
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: blood,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: la, basically.
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