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#252 The Truth Was I'd Never Been the Problem, with Jane Phipps

There's a line in Jane Phipps's book where she recognises that she'd never been the problem, she'd always been enough. Many senior women will recognise the feeling behind that sentence.

Jane is the author of The Heart-Centered Leader, a single mother who built her career through male-dominated industries, two rounds of workplace bullying, and a breakdown that finally forced her to stop. In this conversation she and Melissa talk about the difference between command-and-control leadership and heart-centred leadership, what it actually feels like to be "in a cage" at work, and how she learned to…

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