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Will The Transfer Portal Force Ohio State To Change Its Recruiting Plan? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes Tomorrow morning for Wednesday, February fourth, I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about the transfer portal. We're talking about Ryan Day's
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  Speaker 1: recent comments on the transfer portal on his radio show.
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  Speaker 1: The Buckeyes lost thirty four players to the transfer portal
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  Speaker 1: this year, which is a really high number. It's a
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  Speaker 1: high number for any school, but a really really high
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  Speaker 1: number for Ohio State, which is typically lost maybe half
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  Speaker 1: of that, give or take in a typical season before that.
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  Speaker 1: So was this a one off? Was this a terrible
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  Speaker 1: precursor of or a foreshadowing of things to come? And
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  Speaker 1: welcome in our buddy, Tony Gerderman of bucke Huddle dot com, Tony,
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  Speaker 1: I guess somewhat unsurprisingly, Ryan Day does not feel that
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  Speaker 1: this is a terrible foreshadowing of things to come before
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  Speaker 1: the state football.
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  Speaker 2: Per Yeah, and this is one of the many interesting
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  Speaker 2: things he had to say on the radio show, But
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  Speaker 2: he attributed the large number all the week going all
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  Speaker 2: the way back to the after the twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 2: season and the late finish of that season. How you know,
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  Speaker 2: the season ends after the portal is closed, and then
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  Speaker 2: they've got like a five day window and to jump
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  Speaker 2: in and most decided not to. And what he said
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  Speaker 2: was that last year there probably would have been like
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  Speaker 2: five to ten to twelve extra guys in the portal,
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  Speaker 2: but because of the late the late finish, those guys
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  Speaker 2: basically waited a year. And that's why he believes the
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  Speaker 2: number is so large. I think, I think he's not wrong,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't think that's the only reason the number
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  Speaker 2: is large. But I do think there's like a convergence
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  Speaker 2: of legitimate reasons why the number was so large and
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  Speaker 2: why maybe you shouldn't expect it to be as large
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  Speaker 2: each year moving forward.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think looking back last year, I the
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  Speaker 1: first thing that I kind of look at and think, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: well what about this is got to remember last year
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  Speaker 1: there was a post spring portal, So yeah, the five
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  Speaker 1: days after you win a national championship, everyone's in the
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  Speaker 1: after glow and there's a celebration. Yeah, you lost a
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  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator at the transfer portal at that point, but
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  Speaker 1: not not many players because everyone's still thinking, hooray, national championship, hoay.
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  Speaker 1: But then once you get into spring ball and you
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  Speaker 1: go through spring ball, you still didn't lose a lot
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  Speaker 1: of guys after that, which was that was that was
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  Speaker 1: the point where I thought, yeah, maybe you might you
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  Speaker 1: might lose some guys after that, but they didn't. They
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  Speaker 1: really don't know that they lost anyone after spring last year,
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  Speaker 1: which was a little bit surprising to me that that
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  Speaker 1: was a thing where I was expecting maybe more guys
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  Speaker 1: to go and they didn't. So you know that that's
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  Speaker 1: one sort of variable here. I'd be interested in your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts as to why, you know what, what else maybe
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  Speaker 1: was sort of a factor here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the other thing is that, no, there's
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  Speaker 2: no spring portal this year. So without that spring portal,
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  Speaker 2: you have to decide, am I gonna jump in now
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  Speaker 2: or be stuck here for a year, And if there's
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  Speaker 2: any kind of question, and then you know, maybe you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna jump. And the thing is now everybody has agents.
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  Speaker 2: So you talk to your coach, you talk to your parents,
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  Speaker 2: your guardians, you know, your your coat, your high school coaches,
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  Speaker 2: your advisors about what you should do, and then you
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  Speaker 2: talk to your agent about, hey, what's out there. And
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  Speaker 2: so the agents are going to be doing what they
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  Speaker 2: can to get their cut and then they'll tell you
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  Speaker 2: what's out there. So uh, and they're probably going to
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  Speaker 2: be putting it in as blowing terms as possible. So
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  Speaker 2: I think not not knowing whether this is the place
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  Speaker 2: for you, and also not having the opportunity to find
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  Speaker 2: out how things go through spring ball, where you know
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  Speaker 2: you're you're competing for a job. Over the course of
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  Speaker 2: spring you get good feedback, you see yourself growing and
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  Speaker 2: you see yourself what you can become. If you're only
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  Speaker 2: basing it off of what happened last year and you're
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  Speaker 2: not sure how spring is going to go, then well
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  Speaker 2: I guess I guess I'd better get in there. So
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  Speaker 2: I think there's just less information out there. So you're
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  Speaker 2: either going to jump now or not jump at all,
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  Speaker 2: and agents are generally going to tell you to jump.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And we did a whole show on that, and
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  Speaker 1: the fact that you're sort of incentivized as an agent
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  Speaker 1: to have guys jump because you can probably make more
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  Speaker 1: money now if you jump. If you're in the portal
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  Speaker 1: and you're a free agent, and if you're not an
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  Speaker 1: NFL certified agent, you're not necessarily thinking about what does
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  Speaker 1: this mean for their NFL future. It's more sort of
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  Speaker 1: the short term, you know, And that's just sort of
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  Speaker 1: short term incentives. That's just sort of how that works.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a value judgment on those folks. It's just
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  Speaker 1: people responding to economic incentives. I said at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Thirty four players are actually thirty five Buckeyes who went
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  Speaker 1: into the portal. Thirty two of them are officially listed
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  Speaker 1: as already having landed somewhere else. Ty Howard, the walk
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  Speaker 1: on safety who moved over from Dukuane last year, he
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  Speaker 1: still has not has not landed awhere officially. Keenan Nelson,
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  Speaker 1: who transferred to Ohio State from South Carolina a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years ago, he has still not landed anywhere. And
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  Speaker 1: Mason Maggs, the walk on quarterback, He is still officially
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  Speaker 1: listed as not having landed anywhere, although his Twitter bio
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  Speaker 1: says he's a quarterback at IU Pennsylvania, which is the
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  Speaker 1: old Kurt Signetti school. So they may be back in
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  Speaker 1: the news for Ohio State related reasons at some point shortly. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I guess now the question is with the change?
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  Speaker 1: You know, well, first, with the change, one of the
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  Speaker 1: factors that goes into this is the fact that you
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  Speaker 1: needed to spend to maintain your roster. You're a lot
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  Speaker 1: of your guys who are coming back are going to
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  Speaker 1: You're going to make a little more money, with a
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  Speaker 1: little more seniority, with a little more playing time, experience,
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  Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. And I think think
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Day basically said you'd be surprised at how much
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  Speaker 1: it cost just to sort of maintain, let alone bringing
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  Speaker 1: in new guys.
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  Speaker 2: That was one of the things he said about the
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  Speaker 2: offensive line. The reason they didn't go into the portal
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  Speaker 2: is because it took everything they had to keep the
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  Speaker 2: guys already on the team. And I think people, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if people will necessarily understand that the costs
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  Speaker 2: of the football team rises every year and you're not
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  Speaker 2: just spending the money on new guys, You're spending most
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  Speaker 2: of the money on the existing guys because cost of living. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know, those sorts of things. But there, the more
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  Speaker 2: players play, the more they want, you know, the more
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  Speaker 2: the impact they have, the more they want to be
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  Speaker 2: rewarded for that impact. So it's not just about putting
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  Speaker 2: together team, it's about keeping together a team. And Ryan
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  Speaker 2: is always going to side with pretension and keeping that
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  Speaker 2: culture and keeping that that foundation and then piecing it together. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this is a very large transfer portal class because a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of guys so they wanted to, you know, fix
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  Speaker 2: those those holes and those numbers, and you can't just
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  Speaker 2: rely on an incoming recruiting class to do it, especially
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  Speaker 2: when they lost eight of their twenty six signees from
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, so and then they got another pretty
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  Speaker 2: large class that we'll see what happens there. But I
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  Speaker 2: think another reason why I'm not expecting as large numbers
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  Speaker 2: is because a lot of the guys they're bringing in
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  Speaker 2: this is their last year. So like there's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: maybe maybe fewer players able to leave just in terms
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  Speaker 2: of transferring out because their eligibility will be done. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think I won't be surprised if it's another large number.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what is large moving forward? Is it
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  Speaker 2: twenty you know, because that's that's not a number that's
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  Speaker 2: unheard of with anybody else, you know, you know, other
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  Speaker 2: national programs as well. It's pretty it's it's it's common
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  Speaker 2: in enough that it's not a whoa, what's going on
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  Speaker 2: there type of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Ohio State has been a little bit
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  Speaker 1: on the low end for a lot of those high
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  Speaker 1: level national teams in terms of how many guys they've lost.
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State has been a lot of kind of fifteen
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  Speaker 1: to twenty And I think the national average among the
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  Speaker 1: kind of higher level teams has been a little more
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  Speaker 1: in the eighteen to twenty five kind of range. O
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  Speaker 1: High State's kind of been around that level, maybe a
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  Speaker 1: little bit low this year, much higher than that average,
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  Speaker 1: and much higher than they have been at any point
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  Speaker 1: in the past. And you mentioned the eight true freshmen
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  Speaker 1: who left after one season. I saw a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people sort of throwing their hands up and saying, well,
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  Speaker 1: high school recruiting doesn't matter at all days you just
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  Speaker 1: do it all through the portal. That definitely does not
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  Speaker 1: feel like that as an opinion, that Ryan Day share
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  Speaker 1: is regardless of how many freshmen left after last season.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's always going to be based the foundation.
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  Speaker 2: You want to have talented high school players that you
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  Speaker 2: can develop and rely on and grow and understand the culture,
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  Speaker 2: and then supplement from outside. So yeah, this is they're
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  Speaker 2: never going to get away from that until they have to,
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  Speaker 2: and they may be the last one to go away
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  Speaker 2: from that. But they're also you know, this is still
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  Speaker 2: a volatile football, a volatile sport right now with how
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  Speaker 2: things are run. So I guess the best way to
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  Speaker 2: do it is to do it the way you've always
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  Speaker 2: done it and then change gradually where you need to.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's what they've done. But if you
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  Speaker 2: were to just go whole hog and change from you know,
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  Speaker 2: doing what you normally do and then in one year
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  Speaker 2: everything goes kind of back to normal ish, are you
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  Speaker 2: able to get back to normal? Are you able to
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  Speaker 2: get back to your normal? And so I know Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State fans are some of them are upset that Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State moves so slowly through all of this, but they've
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  Speaker 2: been able to navigate things fairly well and do fairly well,
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  Speaker 2: and the last two years have two of the most
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  Speaker 2: talented teams in the nation. Well maybe slow playing some things.
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  Speaker 2: So they're going to continue to do things the way
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  Speaker 2: they feel it's right, and recruiting high school players is
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's one of those you know, belt buckle,
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  Speaker 2: cold dead hands type of things for Ohio State football.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's the basis that you're going to build
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  Speaker 1: your team on around probably forever, and then you're going
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  Speaker 1: to sort of supplement through the portal. And that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean you have to be a debo Sweeney about it,
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  Speaker 1: but you can. You know, there is a happy medium
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  Speaker 1: between being a devo Sweeney and you know, cold dead
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  Speaker 1: hands ing anyone in the portal and also being a
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  Speaker 1: you're bringing in fifty players in the portal like Leon Sanders.
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  Speaker 1: There's there is a happy medium in there, and that
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  Speaker 1: feels like where Ohio State's landed. They were I think
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  Speaker 1: they were I now forget which one. It was two
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  Speaker 1: four seven or someone did a combined recruiting and transfer
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  Speaker 1: portal editions and I think Ohio State was second in
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  Speaker 1: the nation right there. So in terms of talent editions,
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  Speaker 1: they have been pretty solid this year with the combination
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  Speaker 1: you know, the nation approach there, and it feels like
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  Speaker 1: no real cause for panic just yet. But what is
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  Speaker 1: what is the twenty twenty six to twenty twenty seven
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  Speaker 1: cycle going to look like and sort of the in
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  Speaker 1: terms of the transfer portal. Well, I guess we'll see
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  Speaker 1: what the rules are at that point and then we'll
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  Speaker 1: see that will make a big difference in terms of
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  Speaker 1: what it will look like for Ohio State and for
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  Speaker 1: everyone else. So one of the many things changing around
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  Speaker 1: you guys all for joining us. Have a great day.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk to you tomorrow.