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The 4th Initiation with Ethan Indigo · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen. What what's going to happen?
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  Speaker 2: He'll take.
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  Speaker 1: What help.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode. We got a
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  Speaker 2: very very.
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  Speaker 1: Very special episode.
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  Speaker 2: It is a bunch of the rejects together and we
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  Speaker 2: got a reject who had a book that we're going
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  Speaker 2: to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: But before we get to Ethan.
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  Speaker 2: Who's the who wrote the book, the author, we will
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  Speaker 2: introduce the other rejects. So Headless Giant, please let everybody
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  Speaker 2: know who who you are and what's up in case
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  Speaker 2: they don't know how you doing.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody Happy Friday. So you can find me on Twitter
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  Speaker 3: at the Headless Giant and on YouTube at the Headless
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  Speaker 3: Giant as well. So check me out there on Instagram
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  Speaker 3: and you can touch my show on Thursday nights where
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  Speaker 3: I read your occult and or Strange paranormal emails and
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  Speaker 3: you can email those two the Headless Giant podcast at
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  Speaker 3: gmail dot com. Also, I got a show with Ethan
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  Speaker 3: coming up on Sunday called The Trialogue, so check that
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  Speaker 3: out as well.
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  Speaker 1: Get those emails in and check out that Trialogue show.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Ellis and my man jewels we
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  Speaker 2: got them this week. Finally got them on again as
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  Speaker 2: you got me.
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  Speaker 4: What's going on? Guys, I'm Jules you see me here before,
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  Speaker 4: host of the Great Pill Podcast. Yeah stoke tonight to
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  Speaker 4: hear a little bit about what Ethan has to say,
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  Speaker 4: to hear about his book, and uh yeah, man, just
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  Speaker 4: to hear about the fourth Initiate. I'm you know, I
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  Speaker 4: have a lot of shows I do. I'm not going
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  Speaker 4: to get into that whole spiel right now. I can
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  Speaker 4: do that at the end when we do our plugs.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, guys, y'all can find me on Twitter at
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  Speaker 4: Great Pill Pod, over on Rumble and Patreon, especially Patreon.
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  Speaker 4: We do some twin Peaks watch parties. Yes, Terry book reviews.
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  Speaker 4: Nick comes and hangs out for those now.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely check it out. Definitely, so yeah, I would say
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  Speaker 2: it's worth the money.
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  Speaker 4: So thanks for thanks for inviting me on again.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, always love having you man.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, and that's good seeing all all of you guys. Man,
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  Speaker 4: Happy friggsday, guys. It's gonna be a banger of a show.
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  Speaker 2: Also, yes, hey we got Tyrone. What is up my man?
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  Speaker 2: Always a pleasure.
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  Speaker 5: What's up everybody? Thanks Nick? I appreciate it. You already know.
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  Speaker 6: I'm ready, man, I got your book right here on
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  Speaker 6: my candle bro and I have plenty.
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  Speaker 5: Of times on here, so you already know.
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  Speaker 6: Everything you can find about me is on my website,
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  Speaker 6: Rebirth oftheword dot Com. I love reading, I love how
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  Speaker 6: and discussions with authors, especially since I've read their book.
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  Speaker 6: It's a more uh personal with me because now I
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  Speaker 6: get to ask them for things for clarifications sake. So
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  Speaker 6: of course you know this is the time for me
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  Speaker 6: to ask some of those questions. So hey, I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 6: Rebirth of the word dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thank you for joining us then, and we
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  Speaker 2: got the man himself, see Ethan Indigo.
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  Speaker 1: What is going on, sir? How are you well?
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  Speaker 7: I bow to all of you. Thank you so much
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  Speaker 7: for the inclusion and support. I really appreciate it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I'm on all the usual social media writing articles frequently
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  Speaker 7: and easily cut I'll have to fix that tabulation, I guess,
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  Speaker 7: and easy to find on all the social media. And
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  Speaker 7: the fourth initiation really came about from my obsession with
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  Speaker 7: what I call the duality of polarity, or you could
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  Speaker 7: just say four.
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  Speaker 5: Uh and I you know, I.
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  Speaker 7: Explored really a whole philosophical outlook kind of universalism, uh,
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  Speaker 7: bringing together different sources of more or less the same
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  Speaker 7: principles or different takes on the same principle of this
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  Speaker 7: duality of polarity in the matrix of four. And as
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  Speaker 7: time went on, I realized that there was a whole
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  Speaker 7: other Really, the matrix of four is accused of being
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  Speaker 7: esoteric in one sense, but there was a whole other
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  Speaker 7: esoteric level to this duality of polarity. And so the
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  Speaker 7: fourth initiation, there is no prior three.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 7: The fourth initiation is essentially where I explored the esoteric
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  Speaker 7: and the exoteric understandings of different teachings. And this is
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  Speaker 7: a significant polarity when we look at any allegory or
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  Speaker 7: so on and so forth. Another polarity that is in
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  Speaker 7: the world we live, not necessarily within the interpretation, but
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  Speaker 7: is kind of put forth in a lot of different ways.
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  Speaker 7: Is the basic and the capital, or the base in
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  Speaker 7: the capital if you think about a pole, or the
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  Speaker 7: basic and the enlightened, if you will. And a lot
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  Speaker 7: of societal interpretations are kind of on the growth side
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  Speaker 7: of the polarity. So let's let's go to the imagers,
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  Speaker 7: and I'll start to tell kind of the little story
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  Speaker 7: and you guys, if you have anything to to say,
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  Speaker 7: please go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure of course. Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 7: So for me, the idea around this duality of polarity
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  Speaker 7: or four began in a very exoteric manner. And is
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  Speaker 7: that is that I wonder the images aren't coming through?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you would have to actually open
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  Speaker 2: up the image probably and then choose that as the
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  Speaker 2: window to share.
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  Speaker 7: Shoot, my bust. Well, I'll just I'll just read read
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  Speaker 7: this as as I try to export a few of these.
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  Speaker 7: So I wrote The Complete Patriots Guide to Oligarchical Collectivism,
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  Speaker 7: and I conceptualize that there's four types of mind states.
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  Speaker 7: Idiots avoid all new pertinent information, Zelots ask only certain
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  Speaker 7: questions of certain information, Elitists question information in order to
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  Speaker 7: manipulate and reap gains off the information. And patriots question
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  Speaker 7: information to share with others and benefit progress, initiate progress.
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  Speaker 5: If you will.
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  Speaker 7: And so this is kind of a really exoteric, simple
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  Speaker 7: kind of way of understanding things.
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  Speaker 5: And as I was exploring that.
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  Speaker 7: Book, I realized that there were all sorts of different
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  Speaker 7: aspects or sets of four, where there's over three and
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  Speaker 7: a unsaid fourth right and one of the powerful ones
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  Speaker 7: that I used, I think is the four wise monkeys,
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  Speaker 7: and that is usually considered to be the three wise monkeys,
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  Speaker 7: more widely known as the three Wise monkeys, but there's
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  Speaker 7: actually four. There's see no evil, which is kind of
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  Speaker 7: like the idiot that I put forth. There, there's here
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  Speaker 7: no evil, which is kind of like the zealot. There's
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  Speaker 7: speak no evil, which is very much like the elitists.
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  Speaker 7: And there is fear no evil or do no evil.
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  Speaker 7: And this monkey holds his abdomen right, and he's unmoved
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  Speaker 7: and he's unafraid.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 7: So this this also has a whole esoteric construct to it,
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  Speaker 7: and not just the exoteric as well, very very prominent
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  Speaker 7: in Buddhism. This next one is from the Allegory of
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  Speaker 7: the Cave, in which most people point out that there's
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  Speaker 7: three character types in the Allegory of the Cave, the prisoners,
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  Speaker 7: the captors, and the freed prisoner. But there's actually, excuse me,
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  Speaker 7: two different types of prisoners. There's the chained and the unchained, right,
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  Speaker 7: and this is this is very much like the idiots
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  Speaker 7: and the zelots.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 7: The zelots don't need to be chained because it's they're
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  Speaker 7: they're so entangled by the images, and so as I
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  Speaker 7: began exploring things further, there's this whole kind of system
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  Speaker 7: of understanding that really I put forth in the matrix
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  Speaker 7: of four as four parts of four aspects. In other words,
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  Speaker 7: each each of these four aspects has four parts. Excuse
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  Speaker 7: my redundancy. And the first one I use is arithmetic,
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  Speaker 7: and this is one that is absolute. There was a
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  Speaker 7: time period where people were obsessed, where mathematicians were obsessed
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  Speaker 7: with looking for a fifth operation.
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  Speaker 5: Of arithmetic, and there really are noney.
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  Speaker 7: All of mathematics goes upon the four operations of arithmetic,
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  Speaker 7: and certainly in a very duality.
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  Speaker 5: Of polarity modality.
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  Speaker 7: And I call that the four aspects of the mental, right,
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  Speaker 7: the four absolutes of the mental. There's also the breath
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  Speaker 7: is the one I use for the physical. We can
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  Speaker 7: we can go to that nick. The breath is an absolute,
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  Speaker 7: not all life, but it's pretty much an absolute for
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  Speaker 7: breathing life. That there is an inhalation and a pause full,
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  Speaker 7: an exhalation and a pause empty. This is kind of
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  Speaker 7: a meditation technique to accentuate and be mindful of the
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  Speaker 7: pauses as well as the inhalation and exhalation and our breath,
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  Speaker 7: which I use is the absolute of physical as opposed
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  Speaker 7: to mental arithmetic functions. Just like this Yin yang depiction
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  Speaker 7: of orbits, all all objects in orbit of one another
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  Speaker 7: all around the universe. We can pretty much presume that's
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  Speaker 7: like a big absolute. It may not be true everywhere
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  Speaker 7: in the universe, for it is a big place, but
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  Speaker 7: everywhere where there's objects in orbit, there are four.
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  Speaker 5: Seasons, there's the there's.
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  Speaker 7: The duality of polarity of equinoxes and solstices.
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  Speaker 3: And so I got a quick question is do you
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  Speaker 3: believe the number four and all of these polarities are
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  Speaker 3: a type of transcendence from merely the physical realm.
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  Speaker 7: I do believe that there is an aspect of understanding
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  Speaker 7: the physical real realm towards being an empowered being in
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  Speaker 7: this realm. And there's also the meditative and initiatory aspects
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  Speaker 7: for certain And actually, that was funny you should mention
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  Speaker 7: headless because that's really kind of the next idea where
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  Speaker 7: I'm going, which, uh, what I use for the absolute
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  Speaker 7: of orbit is clear, all objects are in orbit. The
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  Speaker 7: next image nick is the own symbol, and this is
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  Speaker 7: one of the oldest symbols on the planet, and it
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  Speaker 7: is in four parts, and it is described in a
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  Speaker 7: duality of polarity, and one can conceptualize it as a
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  Speaker 7: depiction of consciousness for the material world and also a
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  Speaker 7: initiatory device for self development and enlightenment. Here we see
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  Speaker 7: on the left there that backwards, Well, what looks like
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  Speaker 7: the three actually contains two parts, right, And I was
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  Speaker 7: going to say, go to the next image, but I
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  Speaker 7: I need.
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  Speaker 1: To do that.
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  Speaker 7: Uh So there's the duality of polarity of the OM symbol,
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  Speaker 7: and the highest level is called Terrea, which simply means
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  Speaker 7: the fourth So there's deep sleep and deep awakening, and
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  Speaker 7: then there's deep dreaming.
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  Speaker 5: And there's.
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  Speaker 7: The terrea, the absolute deep awakening, right, and the point
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  Speaker 7: is the terrea.
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  Speaker 5: The line underneath.
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  Speaker 7: That is the Sea of Mara or the barrier or whatever.
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  Speaker 7: That is virtually impossible to cross this chasm from the
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  Speaker 7: third state to the fourth state. But it is possible,
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  Speaker 7: but but it takes takes a lot of dedication.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, do you know how deeply proto Indo European
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  Speaker 3: that symbol feels to me?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Think about that as a mountain, right, all of these
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  Speaker 3: proto Indo European religions have a mountain, and what you're
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  Speaker 3: talking about is the different levels in the sky, god realm. Right,
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  Speaker 3: So you've got the Olympians at the absolute, You've got
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  Speaker 3: Turia as being like the Saturnian character deep sleep as
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  Speaker 3: the Titans, and then further down into number three, which
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  Speaker 3: is dreaming, which would be our level, our contact with
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  Speaker 3: the gods and their wakefulness, where we live on a
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  Speaker 3: conscious level. And that sort of makes up like Mount Ida, right,
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  Speaker 3: all of these different mountains represent sort of like a
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  Speaker 3: stairway to heaven. Mount Olympus. All of these ideas have
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  Speaker 3: to do with that sort of pyramidal figure, and you
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  Speaker 3: kind of get that idea with this this symbol as well,
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  Speaker 3: which represents a lot of what proto Indo European shamanism
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  Speaker 3: was all about.
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  Speaker 7: I believe that there's many tales about this symbol actually
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  Speaker 7: being derived from Mount Kailash. In certain different snow mount
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  Speaker 7: snow milts, you can see you one can make out,
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  Speaker 7: I know, symbol in Mount Kailash, which people don't know.
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  Speaker 5: It's the most sacred mountain and all the.
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  Speaker 3: Sacred mountain of all of India and all of and.
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  Speaker 5: All of that.
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  Speaker 7: The mountainous region there, it's not Everest, it's Kylash.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You put two concepts together and you get really a
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  Speaker 3: kind of a Kabbala tree, right.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, well this this has the dual polarity of the trees.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's based it's.
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  Speaker 7: The duality of polarity right there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's why you have the check yourboard flaws
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  Speaker 2: just for the duality.
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  Speaker 7: So it's mathematics too, right, it's the duality of polarity.
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  Speaker 7: Which that's not esoteric. It's just like the way that
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  Speaker 7: we learn how to do things with a thing that
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  Speaker 7: we've learned. Right, Mathematics is like totally esoteric because we
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  Speaker 7: use this set of ideas to formulate and process all
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  Speaker 7: kinds of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Then tell me about what the video I showed you
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  Speaker 3: about the the Lithuanians and the the Sanskrit words.
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  Speaker 7: Right, well, that's that's a whole whole rabbit hole. Really
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  Speaker 7: cool how that goes down. And four has this whole
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  Speaker 7: comparative unifying aspect to it too in its simplicity that
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  Speaker 7: there's only four. But yeah, that was mind blowing to
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  Speaker 7: hear all those words being virtually the same as all
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  Speaker 7: these ideas.
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  Speaker 5: Uh, that we're exploring here.
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  Speaker 7: They're they're from all these different uh places and times,
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  Speaker 7: but they're really kind of the duality of polarity. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: this symbol, this symbol is the oldest symbol on the planet.
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  Speaker 7: So and it was it was the It is so
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  Speaker 7: old that it precedes the language. And and so you
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  Speaker 7: don't right out, oh you put you put this this symbol. Oh,
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  Speaker 7: and it's a it's a it's a four part annunciation
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  Speaker 7: as well, three that are overt and one that is silence,
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  Speaker 7: silence being counted and super important as we'll see uh
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  Speaker 7: A U M obviously are the three vocalizations. But and this,
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  Speaker 7: this is the type of symbol that is used for
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  Speaker 7: an exoteric philosophical outlook and also very deep internal esoteric development, right,
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  Speaker 7: and and there are above and the below. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 7: so this this represents so much that we're only scanning
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  Speaker 7: the topical here, so uh.
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  Speaker 5: But but it's.
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  Speaker 7: Important to note right that it has that esoteric and
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  Speaker 7: exoteric idea behind it. Let's go, let's go to the
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  Speaker 7: next one. I think it's some writing. Okay, this is
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  Speaker 7: a really important thing that is not too well known.
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  Speaker 7: I found the ancient Egyptians conceptualized of course, what we
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  Speaker 7: commonly know is the doat or the TERREEA zinj asked
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  Speaker 7: the question, what is teria mean? It literally means the
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  Speaker 7: fourth so and and but it signifies the most enlightened
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  Speaker 7: aspect of consciousness. So I mean this is this is
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  Speaker 7: not a coincidence. I don't think the ancient Egyptians as well.
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  Speaker 7: They of course have the main polarity of the living
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  Speaker 7: and the dead, right, but they also have the polarity
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  Speaker 7: of the living and the gods. And there's three dimensions.
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  Speaker 7: The fourth dimension is for those that have transcended, for
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  Speaker 7: the few human beings that have become godly. And so
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  Speaker 7: there was this space within their kind of idea of creation.
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  Speaker 7: Let's see. Uh So the next one I was describing
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  Speaker 7: this symbol. Recently got an article on a cult Rejects
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  Speaker 7: dot uh uh dot org Cult Rejects Institute.
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  Speaker 5: One of my brain frying.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, the Cold Research Institute dot.
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  Speaker 5: Or Research Research Institute.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate you put the article.
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  Speaker 1: Good.
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  Speaker 7: Sorry, excuse my brain for I have a decent article
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  Speaker 7: on there about the circumpunked. Next Nick, the next pictures
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  Speaker 7: of the circumpunked with the twin pillars and the circumpunked
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  Speaker 7: is essentially three parts that makes a new fourth thing
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  Speaker 7: one could one could extrapolate. But you have the point,
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  Speaker 7: and you have the space, and you have the ring.
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  Speaker 7: Those are the overt three and to each side, often
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  Speaker 7: depicted in uh freemasonic imagery, to each side. It is
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  Speaker 7: the duality of polarity. And it's almost as if you
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  Speaker 7: have a three and a two and a two. And
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  Speaker 7: so I was conceptualizing this and it came to me
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  Speaker 7: one time that this seems like an important thing. The
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  Speaker 7: trinity and the polarity and the polarity are really kind
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  Speaker 7: of one of these symbols that might have a perverse
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  Speaker 7: and an enlightenment and an enlightened aspect to it.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, have you ever seen green lantern comics?
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  Speaker 7: Of course, Yeah, break it down? What am I forgetting?
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  Speaker 3: Well, if you turn that symbol sideway right right right,
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  Speaker 3: so you've got the green and the gold, and it
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  Speaker 3: kind of makes the one, two, three, four five, and
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  Speaker 3: the fit level is sort of like the heart chakra,
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  Speaker 3: which is the tifferrath, which is kind of green and gold.
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  Speaker 3: And like their enemies are the yellow lanterns, right, and
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  Speaker 3: so they're fighting against them. So it's the green versus
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  Speaker 3: the yellow, and you've got that whole sort of tiphoretic
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  Speaker 3: feel to anything you imagine, anything you can feel you
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  Speaker 3: can actually create with the with the green lantern. It's
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  Speaker 3: like manifesting.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's what I feel like the circumpunct kind
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  Speaker 7: of when you focus on it just in your minds.
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  Speaker 7: I it really has a concentration modality for one, So
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  Speaker 7: it really I think does help accomplish, but I think
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  Speaker 7: the understanding of the duality of polarity really helps accomplish.
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  Speaker 7: One being a set of mercy and one being a
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  Speaker 7: set of severity, but the point being that you create
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  Speaker 7: and destroy either in severe or merciful terms. Mostly nowadays
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  Speaker 7: we're only in the severity. And in fact, we did
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  Speaker 7: a great program on Yahweh and Asherah. They're a total
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  Speaker 7: duality of polarity, unto themselves that.
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  Speaker 5: We only have Yahweh. Now, who's the.
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  Speaker 7: Storm God obviously related to severity creation destruction through severity,
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  Speaker 7: where Asha was creation destruction through mercy. And then in
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  Speaker 7: the center you have the Trinity or the thrice great
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  Speaker 7: of the initiate. So let's go, let's go to the
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  Speaker 7: next one, which it's kind of saying the same thing.
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: But three two two is this Americana kind of.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: You know, lore Nick, you want to go to the
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: next one.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Sorry, yes, I was like, it's just in my seat.
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: Three two two is also in Genesis. It has a
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: polarity in it, right, and insinuates even two polarities because
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: of the life and death and good and evil. So
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: there's there's uh two powerful polarities that are really you know, primary.
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: And of course they're talking about the tree right there too,
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: which what is the tree? Two polarities?
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: The skulls and bones? To me, what she's talking about
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: that is that is the skull and bones. Yes, that
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: is the skull and bones.
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: And and my point in bringing them up is not
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: that they're correct and not that they're on it. I'm
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: saying that they're using symbolism to whatever they might be
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: symbolizing it for I'm not sure, but I think that
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: for me, when I see the three two two, I
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: no longer see three two two, I see trinity, polarity, polarity,
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: and you've.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Also you've also got you've also got multiplication. So if
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: you multiply them like the two bones make it acts,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: you get twelve, which is like the twelve sides of
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: the Zodiac. It's like they're they're making a perverse symbol
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: for the zodiac.
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: They're using symbolism in a perverse and basic manner. Write
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: that whole idea where you can use it in esoteric
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: and exoteric and basic and enlightened, right, And they're using
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: it probably for very basic, gross means.
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: And it seems like some stuff that's meant to be
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: just like for the esoteric, they try to take that
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: and make it for the exoteric and completely subverts it, right,
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: It completely destroys what.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: It meant to be.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Oh original, Yes, I totally agree with it.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: We gets considered the.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: The you know, the stuff that comes like kind of
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: everybody understands somehow becomes like, oh, that's all there is
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: to it, that's the deepest ship, and we all know
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, stuff like that happens, I.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Think a lot.
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: Right, So, just an interesting phenomena that relates to this
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: idea of the thrice great the initiated being in control
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: of this duality of polarity. And I'm not advocating them,
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: I'm trying to pierce the veil of what they might
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: be using not that they've not that they figured it out,
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: they're using it potentially if if that has anything to
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: do with the interpretations.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: I think that verse is the most powerful one in
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: the Bible. That's for the rest of the book.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's that's at the point where it's
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: like you fucked right.
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: It's the cosmological tone, you know, And a different religious
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: and cosmological constructs have this same for mannerism, often of
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: the good and evil, or often masculine and feminine, as
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: Adam and Eve and life and death. Most cosmologies begin
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: with these two polarities that are like the most powerful
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: considerations there are among time.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Right, you've got a dual polarity right there on that image.
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's the cross.
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: And that's a mathematical rule that two lines intersecting create
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: four corners. So every cross, mathematically it's two lines intersecting.
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: However elaborate it gets, it creates the four.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: So the next one is just me trying to be funny,
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: little little mammology. And Carl Young was fascinated with this idea,
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: and many times in his writing and in his speeches
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: he mentioned that there there's three, but where's the fourth
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: and actually, uh, in the free introduction on Amazon of
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: my book The Fourth Initiation, one of the first things
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: I explore is the Barto Total, the Tibetan Book of
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: the Dead, which is itself a very esoteric idea of
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: fascinating book, super fascinating. One of the dopest things Carl
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: Young pointed out about it is that, of course, on
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: the exoteric, on the primary level of this great teaching
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: is that it is elaborating on the time between death
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: and rebirth. But if you read it backwards, Carl Jung
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: noted out, from from last chapter on to the second
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: to last chapter, and so on to the first chapter,
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: so that it that it is last, it is a
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: story from birth to death. So so it's yeah.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Speaking of story, every story arc takes place in four acts. Really,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: so that fourth act is.
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: A song written that way too, yep, for four yeah, man,
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: I would I would go even deeper to say that
• 30:48
  Speaker 9: the whole Bible is, in fact not just the four Gospels,
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: but the.
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: Whole Christ story is a set of four and possibly
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: even directly related to Hinduism traditions. But there's the birth, life, death,
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: and resurrection, and and in our lifetimes we go through
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: this in a symbolic way many different times, and and
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: of course the the uh exoteric and perverse mannerism would
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: be you know, taking it into too different different manners.
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: But but this is this is the story of the Bible,
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: one of resurrection. That's the fourth element, that's the silent part,
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: that is uh, you know, so.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: So valuable, that's so attractive to so many people because
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: it provides that fourth step.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, man.
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: So the next uh uh, let's see, So this one
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: is elaboration of the symbol with the yin and yang
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: and the four humers, the four uh the four humors
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: were a Greek system of understanding what is uh, one
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: could say, very similar if not exactly the same as
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: one of the yin yang diagnosics practices of traditional Chinese medicine. Right,
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: so very similar these ancient practices. And you have the
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: four colors of alchemy.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, in in.
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: The phlegm and yellow bile and black bile and blood.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Right. So, so when when.
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: They say that there's four types of people or that
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: there's four types of problems, will you know, are they
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: what are they talking about? Exactly right? Because the ancient
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: excuse me, the American Indians have a similar color construct
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: in in their symbolism.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: I take this image and look into the elementals with
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: it now too, you know, because the four elementals, uh,
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: you tie into almost everything when you look at being,
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: like the you know, the what is it, the astral fire,
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: the ethereal water, the physical earth, and the mental air.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and and there's what that's become one of my
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: favorite words, element elements because it's so esoteric, but it's
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: often considered very primary and physical, but it actually says
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: godly mind. I think it's this godly mind, but you
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: but it literally says godmind, right, l elements, this godmind.
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: So alchemy is very much associated with the physical development
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: of chemical systems and so forth, and godmind right becoming
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: the internal exoteric self development. And my next picture is
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: actually of the four elements, but the four elements of
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: the Philosopher's Stone, right, which brings together exactly what Jules
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: just talked about. There's the four elements of the Philosopher's Stone.
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: Why is there four elements because I think because of
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: obviously the four elements that we just spoke of, but
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: also the four elements that are at the basis of
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: almost everything. If we're looking at things through that veil.
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: It's not the only way to look at things, but
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: it's a powerful way to start to look at look
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: at things.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: And the next you kind of have a reflection of
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: both the three and the five within the image. So
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: the three and the four creates the twelve, right, And
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: when you're talking about the five and the four, you're
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: talking about fractals, right, So you've got the fifth element,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: which is all these different fractals coming off, which you
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: could do within the next circle or the next circle
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: out right, So each one of these circles is equidistant,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: and that creates another fractaling creation from the symbol itself.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: So you've got five and the three, which you know,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: philosophers Stone incorporates both of these numbers very heavily.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I was going to point out you
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: have the feminine inside of the masculine, and then the
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: masculine inside of the feminine. I don't know, it's it's.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Kind of weird, that's perfect.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: I've noticed that a lot with a lot of these symbols,
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: And you were talking about the polarity stuff earlier, you know,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: the kind of exactly realistic aspect to.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: It, just real quick.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I was just even thinking of how you kind of
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: like said that you're seeing repeating. I wonder if that
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: even goes with like the yadhey vade for because what
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: you know that's for again, but that is you know, king, queen,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: prince and princess, So you would see like male female
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: male female repeat that way, right, So I wonder like
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: if there's like something to like what you were saying here.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: I wonder if and I was also thinking against he
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: was talking about like four stages to like some kind
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: of piece of art, right, there's also four stages to life.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: In a way, tetra.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Grammaton just means four full name, right, so they're talking
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: about these different letters within that. So tetragrammaton and the
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: tetra graandma tom formula. You know, is that generation go ahead, Jules,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no. I I was just pointing that out.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: You can't to have like your young like from when
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: you were born up until you become a young adult.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: That to when you're like you know, in your forties
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: or fifties, like your early fifties maybe that until your
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: late age and then you know, because we're supposed to
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: live for longer, up until probably a little past one hundred.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: Just like if we were to live healthy, like if
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: we were to live a healthier lifestyle and you know,
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: be able to stay away from all this shit that
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: the government puts in the air and in the food
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: and in the water and all that, we'd probably be
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: able to live a little longer.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Right, So, oh, definitely, definitely.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: Maybe I'm off on that, maybe there's more than four
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: stages to life, but I'm thinking like in a long
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: span kind.
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: Of Yeah, No, it's the primary. It's the primary. And
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: then of course there could be several different other fatsets
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: as things go on, and you could recognize, but it is,
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: it is considered the primary American Indians from the Hindus
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: is the four stages of life. And here's another depiction
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: of the four elements. Again one of my favorite words
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: because it just it denotes that alchemy of becoming the godmind.
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: So yeah, and the next one I Nick just took off.
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: But this also we can see duality of polarity obvious, right,
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: I Mean, that's that's a an easy easy note there.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: What it all comes together you have as above, so
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: below you get all the figures combined.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, and again you're masculine and feminine triangles, right.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Projective, receptive.
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: And one thing I like to do just as a
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: kind of mental exercise is find contrasts. So if these
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: shapes are depicting an idea, it is a wonderful format
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: to just form contrasts. But usually people only go to
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: an either or contrast, and that's very limiting. You know,
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: if you have the A and B, that's the either or,
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: but you have to have the A B too. The
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: synthesis and the nalysis is the term that I came
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: up with, and you know, to that, there's the whole
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: idea of thesis, anti thesis and synthesis related to cause
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: a cause? What is the three M thinking of? Where
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: they where they steer decision making?
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: The Hegelian dialectic is from this thesis solution problem reaction
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: solution is from this philis offical outlook of thesis, anti
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: thesis and synthesis.
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: The solution often has.
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: Pointed out as they already had it planned right.
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: So uh.
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: And the next one, one of my favorite sets of
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: four is geometry, and I feel like this is really
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: not only valuable in understanding things, but it is really
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: the basis for the biblical God, as we'll see. Nixt
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: Nick go to the next one, and and here's yahweh
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: h excuse me. Here here is yode hey yap right,
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: and the yode it literally is the point. The four
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: dimensions of geometry begins with the point. The next is
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: a window and behold, so a window it implies a view,
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: and it is very much like a plane, like a
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: plane of glass. But it also there's a room. So
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: they're using the same word here to symbolize I think
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: plane and volume. So and the vove again, it literally
• 41:15
  Speaker 7: means peg or connector or nail.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: It is it is the line.
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: So the whole Bible at its basis when they talk
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: about the g and generation and geometry, it's the four
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: dimensions of geometry.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: It's right there. So the next one.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, you don't wanted to say real quick, Ethan, you
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: might have been a I think you had the screen off.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you can still hear. Did you
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: hear what I said about the yad vade before? I?
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, you were getting at that. What what would
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: repeat it?
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Jules had mentioned before like sometimes and he's right, you'll
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: see like kind of like male female male female like
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: symbolism within each other, you know, and going back and forth.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: And I said, I, you know, I wonder if that
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: could maybe be even represented the Yad formula or if
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: there is like the same idea behind that, because if
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: you think about it magically, if I was using it,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: like you know, in ceremonial magic, that would be the
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: only king, queen, prince, and princess.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I mean you're getting you know, male female male fall.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: And that's funny that you would see this with the
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: name of a deity, right, because the same thing happens
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: with fuck, the same thing happens. I'm pretty sure with Lucifer.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Trying to remember, I think the Greeks maybe worship Lucifer
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: as Mars, right headless.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Well, the Greeks thought of Lucifer.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: Lucifer as Mars. Sorry, is the.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Titan of the Dawn and so Yos for us is
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: what they call called Lucifer.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: Which is where comes from.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: It's it's the Latin or eosphorous. So yeah, yeah, in Latin,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: his mother would be called Aurora, like Aurora Colorado. Okay,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: but think about this as if it's hieroglyphs, right, you
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: have the father above, you have the daughter with the
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: hair coming down or the window with the light shining in.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Then you have the sun as the generation below, and
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: then you have the daughter with the hair coming down,
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: you know, sort of like the vision of the mother. Yeah,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: you've almost got the hieroglyphs for those four different parts
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: of the terror.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, I was.
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: Just going to say they represent him as Mars because
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: of the red glow that Mars is.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Right, and then but then also there's a feminine aspect
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: being Venus, right, Yeah. I think it's like that with
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: maybe all the planets. I don't know, maybe I few.
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: Will you can probably find bits and pieces of it.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I think they all have the same aspect. They'll both have.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Oh what was that positive and negatives.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Venus specifically, you've got uh Venus and Adonis. Right, You've
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: got the idea of these uh dying and rising figures
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: being associated with this planet of Venus, which is this
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: morning star and evening star. One third of the year
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: it's in the morning and one third of the year
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: it's in the evening. So having the Venus connection, which
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: creates a big flower of life in the sky, it's
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: sort of like the completion of four, which would be
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: the five.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, And I always or I started to think about
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: the tetragram aton as being kind of a secret that
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: is overtly right in front of our face. Because the pentagram,
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: we know that that means five count shape, right, but
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: tetra gram that would be a four count shape. But
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: it's not tetragram, it's tetragrammaton. And so that suffix is ation.
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: It's similar to shun t i o n in English
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: or Latin even.
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: Variously.
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: And but but I think it means grammar, grammation. Right,
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: So this this whole idea of the uh, what is
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: tetragrammaton When you look it up in the Bible, Tetragrammaton
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: is L. What is l L is God? And so
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: tetragrammaton is literally saying that it's a it's a four
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: grammar of understanding God.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: In a way. You know, you.
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: Talk about five, though, five I think is really important,
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: and I think east and west. One thing that is
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: shared with the five is motion. It puts these base
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: pillars into motion. So you could you could you could
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: think about five as being the activation actually very much
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: like our hands, right, we have four fingers.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: But what makes it work? Is the fifth?
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: Well, right, no, that's that. That's what I was going
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: to say. You have your four fingers and then your thumb,
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: which is your godhead, right, and uh yeah, same thing
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: with the you know, the what's it called the Vitruvian
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: Man or whatever. Yeah, five points. But then with like
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: the crucified man, you have four. Right, So I don't know,
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know if there's something to that.
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you just drug my curiosity on that because I
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: love the Simpsons. I've been watching the Simpsons since I
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: was a little kid, since they first came out, right,
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: And if you remember, they had four fingers, right, and
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: uh god when they when God was shown in the Simpsons,
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: he had what we would call normal.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: Five four fingers in the thumb.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: Remember, Oh that's crazy.
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: You know what everybody says about Matt Greeney too.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: So well, yeah, they were messing with dimensions, weren't they.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: That's what they're kind of telling you what They actually
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: had it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: They actually had a show on that too.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: They had a bunch of shows on that.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Well they I mean, The Simpsons has predicted how how
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: much shit that's happened, Like they've definitely, they definitely had
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: some form of like I don't know, some kind of
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: loophole or portal looking into the future, like I I
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: don't think.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: About all the treehouses of horror.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: I'm fucking convinced now, dude, Like.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, about the houses of Horror.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Y know, I have brought that up before, you know, Jules,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: that's like I've seen the Simpsons do that so much.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: You have the song questioning how you know what I'm saying, like, like,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: how are they? You know, like I know it is
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: kind of interesting and like wow, like this's pretty cool,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Like you know, they they called it out, but it's like.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Wow, the fuck are you doing that? Yeah?
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: It is fucking weird? Man project looking Glass?
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it was.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I think this kind of stuff
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: has been around a lot longer than you're told, uh,
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: through many ways, you know, scrying or however.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Think about how archetyple the show is. All the different
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: elements of that show are like archetyple of different factions
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: within society. So they're making statements about all of these
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: different relationships that have to do with how we see
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: each other and you know, sort of like stereotypes, and
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: they were able to do that because it wasn't as
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: woke back then, but in doing so, it made these
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: relationships that sort of stick in our minds. When it
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: comes to relationships with other people. You can kind of
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: steer people around through their behaviors a little bit.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: I think, now, what does this represent, Nathan, Because this
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: is the this is the alchemical colors all over again.
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: Yes, this is an American Indian medicine wheel, and it
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: represents the four brothers of Man, white, black, red, and
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: yellow skinned people. And their idea is that these people
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: all come together and bring out the one idea in
• 49:57
  Speaker 7: a unified manner. Each one has a different aspect of
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: the story that when brought together, they.
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: Get the whole story right.
• 50:08
  Speaker 7: And the four directions the four people's the four is numerous,
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: widely significant among the American Indian people, especially in the Southwest.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, one thing that I've noticed with the Native American
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: symbolism too, you see it popping up like in a
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: occultism that came over from like Europe, but like symbolism here.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: So that's kind of interesting. I have seen that happen,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Like it's certain ocult orders are actually like you.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: Who did they learn it from? Like the day did
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: they learn it from some ancient occult order that was
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: there long before, you know, long before we were told
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: the first people came over and found America.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, like I think go ahead.
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: No, I just was gonna say, I think it's possible,
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: please go ahead.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: And there like like an example is a Denning and Phillips.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: I don't remember their first name. They have like some
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: book set on magic. I mean I didn't know until
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: I think I had thrash on when he covered like
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: the Micmac the Micmacs. This star is or this symbol
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: they have on the front of their cover is a
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: fucking their medicine wheel. But it just looks different than
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: normal people. I mean, that's different than normal ones. So
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: like you kind of thought it was like some just
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: you know, fancy a pointed star. And then I was like, oh,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: they're actually just ripping off a fucking Native American symbol
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: and they put it on the front of their magic book.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: You know, so shit like that. Somebody doesn't even know
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: what that is. They just take for granted some you know,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: ceremonial magic symbol.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: I was like, well, it's it's like, you know, it's
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: kind of like that with squaws.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, he goes, yeah, like.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: More of an ancient symbol than a lot of people,
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: you know, like they're not even aware of that. And
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: how many civilizations and cultures have you use that symbol?
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: Maybe headless those where it actually came from originally, I
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: don't really know.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: It's ubiquitous across five continents during a certain time period
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: in prehistory. You've got that symbol as being ubiquitous across
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: five continents. If that doesn't mean people were connected, I
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: don't know what to tell you.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: Well, here's a.
• 52:24
  Speaker 7: Symbol, and this is used often as a calendar, right,
• 52:29
  Speaker 7: medicine wheel would be used as a calendar system overtly, ceremoniously,
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: probably different ways to Here is what I think a
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: significant set of four pertaining to all the megalithic constructions.
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: On the planet.
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: They are all markers of day, year, and direction and
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: celestial connection.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: Dude, speaking of we're just talking about Germany. These are
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: the These are the colors for the German flag. Yes,
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: that weird synchronicity.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Sorry, proto Indo European.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Well, they were very much the alchemists, yeah.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: Man, Albido, Negrito Rubido and I forgot what the yellow
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: one was do you know what that is?
• 53:26
  Speaker 9: In Latin?
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: I forget right.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Now, Dan, you put us all on the spot.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: Fuck, I gotta look into that now. I'm sorry, guys.
• 53:35
  Speaker 7: This is a wonderful aspect of what this medicine wheel represents,
• 53:40
  Speaker 7: where all these ideas come together and they get the
• 53:43
  Speaker 7: full story rather than just the aspects that they've been
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: holding onto.
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: For the symbol of war really has that too, right?
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: And let's let's go to the next one, because each
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: of these we could spend a lot of time on
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: and and find that there's the exoteric philosophical aspect and
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: the esoteric initiatory aspect too, even of the medicine wheel.
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: One of the most esoteric games that is probably you
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: know as the mostoteric fans is baseball. And and we
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: can see that there is a compass and square set
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: up on the field right. The reason it is base
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: ball is not because of the bases. It's because four
• 54:42
  Speaker 7: is base. Your base set of thinking is four.
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: Ethan.
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: Well, well, there's a really dope article where I get
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: into this on the Occult Research Institute dot org, so
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: check it. But but again, this is just I wouldn't
• 55:02
  Speaker 7: say it's necessarily perverse in a damned way, but it's
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: a it's a perverse presentation of highly esoteric ritual.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Are all sports like.
• 55:13
  Speaker 7: Well, you can find different aspects of it, but none
• 55:18
  Speaker 7: like baseball, none like this.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: That's well, that's probably one of the oldest ones, right.
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: That's it is.
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: It is out of England, and you know it's developed
• 55:29
  Speaker 7: over many years into what it is now. It used
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: to be different and it's modified, you know.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: So you look at the Angels in the outfield that
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: is also literally angels in the outfield. Wow, the movie
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: title has such an esoteric meaning to it. Maybe I
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: don't know. Yeah, that's weird.
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: Mans through movies, you know, they they're entertained because they
• 55:58
  Speaker 6: know what the movies and the some of the and
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: within the movies.
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: Me we over here figuring it out later.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: Figure homeboy, Christopher Lloyd is already dead, all right.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: Field of dreams, dude. Think about all of the guys
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: who came out of the corn field onto the field
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: from you know, the outfield. That's that's so field of
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: dreams right there.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: As the children of the corn right the dude, ha ha, yeah.
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: So baseball is it's the American pastime. But it's the
• 56:32
  Speaker 7: American esoteric pastime certainly, right, and it even has the geometry.
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: You could look at it symbolically as the ball being
• 56:43
  Speaker 7: the point the line, excuse me, the bat being the line,
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: and you have the plane. And what do they call
• 56:50
  Speaker 7: where the pictures stand on headless the mountains?
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Where did they come from? It came from the Theosophists.
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: Mm hmmm, that's right, right, that's because the guy.
• 57:02
  Speaker 7: The final version of it was basically developed from Theosophist
• 57:07
  Speaker 7: crew and a president of the Theosophy at one time. Yes,
• 57:13
  Speaker 7: although it's much older than that, but not in its
• 57:16
  Speaker 7: current modification.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: Do you know what they should bring back Roman gladiators
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: but American gladiators with like real fucking blood sports like
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: the lie used to.
• 57:30
  Speaker 7: Be a bit more like that, like that you'd get tackled.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Like should be out of you with a bag.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: They should do that.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right that you get people got like life,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: I mean that life death death sentence.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Just tell there you go.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: They called it based based ball for a reason.
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: I was a beggar bro.
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: So yeah, remember we got the compass and score right there,
• 58:00
  Speaker 7: everyone can see right and and we remarked earlier, where
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: is the origination of some of these symbols, like we
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: see them so widely used, right, like the Freemasons copped
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: onto the compass and square.
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: Was it not used before them?
• 58:17
  Speaker 7: Certainly it was like no, no, no, megalithic site was
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: built without a compass and square.
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: Right, So we can we can move on.
• 58:26
  Speaker 7: But just a powerful anecdotal view of how they'll use
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: these ideas in an exoteric manner. Here is Pentanjolli, and
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: Pentanjali is a Thoth entity from India, and that is
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: noted to be the creator of yoga and specifically the
• 58:51
  Speaker 7: eight limbs of yoga. And she has a snake excuse me,
• 58:57
  Speaker 7: he has a snake body, and and I relate him
• 59:02
  Speaker 7: to to that both energy of the Great Teacher, mainly
• 59:06
  Speaker 7: because of actually the eight limbs of Yoga. Nick, we
• 59:09
  Speaker 7: can go to the next one.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: That's interesting, you uh kind of linked it to that,
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: to that entity. I found him to be more similar
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: to Vishua Karma. But that's it. That's it.
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: I think. I think with.
• 59:27
  Speaker 7: Especially the Hindu set of gods, the Hindu pantheon, which
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: is so wide and diverse it's crazy. I think that
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: there can be attributes of Thoth for instance, in many
• 59:41
  Speaker 7: different gods.
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 59:43
  Speaker 7: In fact, Ganesha I believe has a lot of both
• 59:47
  Speaker 7: qualities too.
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: That's funny you said that because I had him down.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: I have my little list, you know, I have him
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: down right next to that other name. So now I'll
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: add you the name that you.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: Just what about the terror? What about the tarot that
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: looked like the universe card, you know, with the snake
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: around the outside of it, that had total Tarot vibes
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: for me, at least from the Crowley tarot. And that
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: whole idea goes back. What's that constellation with the guy
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: who's holding the snake? Ofiucus, right, Ofiucas is the thirteenth
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: constellation that goes along with a lunar calendar. So Ofiucas
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: is like the thirteenth moon or the thirteenth month, and
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: it's sort of like above all the rest of the
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: other constellations.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 7: One thing I discovered about the tarot that I haven't
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 7: seen others put forth, and I'm kind of surprised that
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: it hasn't been put forth before I noted it. But
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 7: there's the fourth suits of the tarot. Of course, there's many,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 7: all these fours everywhere right, But the four suits of
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: the tarot actually completely correspond with the four dimensions of geometry.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 7: The point for the sword, the line for the staff,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 7: the plane is the coin, and the volume is the cup.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's literally a.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 7: Sacred geometry divination school. So Petanjoli presented the a lens
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 7: of yoga, which are a whole system of self development. Right,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: it's not necessarily limited to posture, but also self development
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 7: in these ideations.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: And the next one nick is.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 7: The obduab and both is associated with well, there's the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 7: eight again, but specifically with this eight, it's actually more
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 7: four pair, which little difference, right, But these are these
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 7: are four couples, right, for for complimentary husband and wife
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 7: type of couples. And these are the eight elements of
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 7: or the eight primary gods of ancient Egyptian cosmology, right,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 7: And they are again the four pair ruled by Thoth
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 7: got renamed Hermes. Why because the town where Thoth was
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: mainly worshiped was also the town where these this ogdoad
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 7: which is also a Greek word. But and I believe
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 7: they're called the commnu, and so the town was the commnu. Uh,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 7: forgive my poor pronunciation, but something something along this line
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 7: that was Both town basically got renamed to Hermopolis, Hermies
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 7: and Hermopolis. The modern modern Hermopolis was was both and
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 7: Ogdad town basically or really eight town is what it
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: literally meant. The next one is an interesting and again
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 7: I think it's kind of like one of these teachings
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: that bring together and highlight other teachings from different places.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 7: This is attributed the Fuzi And for those who don't Fuzzi,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: don't know Fuzi, just just just wait because I'm gonna
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: enjoy this. But this is a really the from the
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 7: nothingness is the initial polarity. From that is the secondary polarity.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: And then the eight.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: Again, the Chinese system has the two, four and eight
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: uh idea to it too, the same with the Egyptian
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: construct is uh. You know, it's got its eight elements.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: The Chinese divination system has the yin and yang and
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 7: secondarily after that the minor and major yin and yang,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: and then the Bagua, which means the eight.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: And we can go to the next one.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: Well with the Egyptian system, the Agdad. The Agdot is
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: a primordial group of gods, so they're like the Titans.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: Versus the Olympus, which would be the next generation. So
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: there's there's kind of a crossover between this sort of
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: separation from heaven and Earth having to do with the
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: Agdat and also magic being chaos. For all of the
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: Middle Ages, magic was order, but once we got on
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: into the twentieth century with chaos magic, then magic became
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: chaos us again. So it almost represents like that shifting
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: back to a more primordial view of magic than what
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: was existing in the Victorian and Middle Ages era. It's
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: kind of interesting.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's amazing that they both that the Egyptians
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 7: and the Chinese had this eight elemental primary aspect, right,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 7: quite quite fascinating.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, do you need me to move on?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, before we move off of Hermes, it's gonna say,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: you see the same thing with the name her Mad
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: in Norse, I think Norse mythology, right, he was a
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: messenger of the gods. I don't know if there's anything
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: with the with the number four there. Maybe you can
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: look at that later about that guy.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 7: So this is the arc of Raw. They actually found
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: a boat at the base of the Great Pyramid, and
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: it is a replica of the boat that is supposed
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 7: to take one across the Nile from the land of
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 7: the living to the land of the dead. And again
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 7: we see one of the main characters of most well
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 7: known of the set of eight, because the Ogdawad, it's
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 7: really hard to find concrete information on them. But Noot
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 7: is the primordial waters, that's one of the better known ones,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 7: and and we see her carrying the boat. Well, in
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: the biblical story of Noah, we have Noah and his
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 7: three sons and their wives, which is eight.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: Again.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: But we look if we look at the boat here,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: if you kind of you can see clearly the seven.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 7: The beetle, I think is more to do with ra
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 7: and the sun above more imposed there you see the
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 7: four in the front, the three in the back, and
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 7: then if you look really.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: Subtly, there's a snake.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: In the boat too, there behind the behind the third
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 7: there on the left, So there's actually eight.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: There doesn't a scare a beetle like shed it shell.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 7: It's it may what what it's most well known for
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 7: is rolling a ball of manure downhill, and it becomes
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 7: kind of this symbolism for the sun and immortality by
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 7: by way of what it's behavior.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: Another with Osiris with all with all that symbolism as well.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 7: And and Osirius is the agricultural reborn god, right, and
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 7: there's that rebirth right, I think in a lot I've
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 7: seen this in a lot of this is a cultural thing,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 7: not necessarily philosophical, but it's interesting talk about exoteric perversions
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 7: of highly esoteric ideas. The zombie movies will inevitably have
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 7: some agricultural like swamp thing or this and that there's
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 7: and a ball rolling around. I've seen several times. If
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: you know Egyptian rebirth stories and you watch can be
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: like super cheesy zombie movies. They've actually integrated some of
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: the symbolism of that. It's entertaining interesting idea.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: Anyway, Well, I just wanted to throw into it about Knutt.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: She was supposed to be the night sky, right, and
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: so the night sky holding up this plane of heaven
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: almost implies that this is the solar system, right, with
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: the Sun at the middle of all the all of
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: these seven planets, right, You've got this sort of apep
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  Speaker 3: character which is a massive asteroid in our solar system
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  Speaker 3: as well, that also exists as a serpent of chaos.
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  Speaker 3: And so if you take this as a direct sort
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  Speaker 3: of metaphor for our solar system. You actually get a
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  Speaker 3: really good view of it. And if you think about it,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: the beetle could be considered Earth, right Hey, Earth is
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  Speaker 3: sort of enlivening the sun and making it move and
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  Speaker 3: everything else.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think you got something. There is so
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  Speaker 4: is apep the same snake at the bottom of Yigdrasil.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of similarities and there are so many
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  Speaker 3: snakes if you go back to.
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  Speaker 4: Get Yeah, yeah, I figured he may have been, like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: The orphic egg is surrounded by the snake and then
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  Speaker 3: he explodes and then everything comes out into form. That's
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  Speaker 3: the very first god protogonos, right, yeah, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, I just would have and leave a rush. Crowley
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  Speaker 2: made that. He wrote that one, and that's like four
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  Speaker 2: different times of the day. You will, you'll do a
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  Speaker 2: prayer to the sun and the one that faces north,
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  Speaker 2: which would be which would be Earth?
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  Speaker 1: You do you got Kephra the beetle? Did you pray
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  Speaker 1: it to?
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 8: So?
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  Speaker 2: Like you said, hedless, you know, even they could be
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  Speaker 2: associated with Earth. It's even kind of associated with Earth,
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  Speaker 2: right there.
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  Speaker 5: No, that's great.
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  Speaker 7: The set of the Adua the eight or four pairs
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  Speaker 7: of Egyptian primary gods. They are snake headed and toad headed.
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  Speaker 7: And if if we could imagine the Nile thousands of
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  Speaker 7: years ago, it was probably just a you know, so
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  Speaker 7: full of life becoming and going. So this this idea,
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  Speaker 7: I think comes from not that there were snake headed beings,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 7: that there were, that snakes and toads were in the
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  Speaker 7: creation of itself, the life dependency flow of the waters.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 7: But here's here's another the next one, Nick, or.
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  Speaker 5: Have this and you wants to decent.
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  Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, maybe it goes back to
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: the OM symbol. Right, So if you take the OM
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: symbol as the symbolic cosmology that they're working off of,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: like these different levels of consciousness, then all of this
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: kind of fits into that level as well. So like
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: astral projection, you know, thinking about forms and meditation and
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: separation from the senses, you kind of get these different
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: images that are translated differently but on the same level
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  Speaker 3: in different languages. Right, they're interacting with the same kind
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  Speaker 3: of forms and translating it based off of the surrounding culture.
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  Speaker 7: And the It reminds me that the Hindus had the nagas,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 7: who are their ancient snake bodied reptilian teachers, right, and
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 7: the next the next one is I.
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  Speaker 4: Think they're called the Nataru. I'm pretty sure and certain ya.
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  Speaker 4: I mean you see him in every culture almost.
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  Speaker 7: And and almost every esoteric cosmological thing, there's a there's
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 7: a snake, sometimes taking taking knowledge, sometimes giving it.
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  Speaker 4: I did, I did want to point out this boat
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: with the sun that the beetle is holding up looks
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: just like the almost crescent moon thing at the top
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: of the ome with the sun above it as well. Mm. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: especially when you go back on the left.
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  Speaker 2: Nick, Oh, you know it's interesting even that prairie I mentioned.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: You're praying to the barge in the sky.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, and of course the dot the circle right there,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 7: there's your there's your point related to the symbol.
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  Speaker 4: Nick, does that remind you of an eye in any way?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: Oh? I don't know this one. No. Never, that's the pilot.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: There is so much content just by using the om symbol,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: breaking it down into its symbolic meaning, and then looking
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: at everything around it, because it's almost like that's the
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: seed and all of this stuff is the folies that
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: grew out of it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, fascinating.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: The way that the eaching goes is very much in
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: like that yin Yang process that was just described. That
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 7: there's the wouji, the nothingness, and then the main polarity,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 7: and so on and so forth until they get to
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 7: the eight elements, and the eight elements are multiplied eight
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 7: times eight, and then you have your sixty four divination
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 7: types of the each in right, which is really interesting.
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  Speaker 5: Here we have.
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  Speaker 7: Fuzi and his counterpart nw Wa, talk about sixty four.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 7: If you see these circles here, both of them have
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 7: sixty four parts. This is from about seven hundred a
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 7: d from the Tang dynasty. And look what they have
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 7: in their hands, the compass and square. Remember this is
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 7: from China. So we have this snake symbolism, their snake
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 7: bodied symbolism, and the two counterparts. So new Wa rather
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 7: Fuzi and his feminine counterpart new Wah are very much
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 7: the folth energy of the Daoists. And there's various constellations
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 7: on the side here. It's a very intricate image.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, guys, it kind of feels Canaanite Phoenatian
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  Speaker 3: to me.
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  Speaker 5: It could be I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know exactly, you know where which came first,
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  Speaker 7: Right right along.
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  Speaker 3: That silk road. You've got these ideas starting to spread
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: out from the Mesopotamian area. And now you're talking about
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: these snake bodied people, which comes directly from Greek mythology.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: When you're talking about eric Tonius who was the first
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: king of Athens, right, he had a snake body and
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: all the rest of these snake bodied things come sort
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: of through this Greco Roman influence. If you think about
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: mythology as a way of like colonizing other people through ideas,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: you can kind of see how this religion thing works.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: It's like you provide a compelling image and then people
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: come to you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that snake bitch from fucking Golden Chong.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: Naugas Nagas are in that tradition as well. It's the
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: pro to into European influence.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's hard to say who influenced too because of
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: the but you may be you may be right. I
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  Speaker 5: don't mean to refee you have this. I don't. I
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  Speaker 5: just don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's even interesting with it too, though, you know how
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  Speaker 2: you would have like Hermes, you know, or well I
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: would still associate to with mercury on the sphere with
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: the eight you know, or with the on.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: The eighth sphere on the Tree of Life. You do
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: get to hermaphrodite there as well.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so like and I mean it I almost you know,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: in the DNA staff goes along with them, so I
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: mean I even kind of see all lot here yep, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: There is in in their origination story. I would say
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 7: that Fuzi is the third created. So there's so there's
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 7: Pangu and and he gives birth.
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  Speaker 5: Pengu is the Earth.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 7: He dies and becomes the Earth, very similar to uh
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 7: Odin's cosmology, I believe before before Odin.
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  Speaker 3: He's called the Chinese Prometheus.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: Wow, so he'd breathe, you know, like that bringer of knowledge.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: He erupts from from an egg and his backbone becomes
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: these massive mountains. And Pangu also bears the torch that
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: he gave to mankind, and so he's also a giant.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: And they called the Chinese Prometheus. Yeah, and we see
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: that there's the compass in square.
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  Speaker 7: It's a bit more refined of of of a set
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 7: of tools. Pegu had the hammer and chisel. So so
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 7: that's the the starting point of obtaining things is the
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 7: hammer and.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: Chisel and Beatheus was hammered to the Caucasus mountains.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 7: Uh and uh, so pengu gave birth. When he died,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 7: he became the earth, but he gave birth to the
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 7: mother of Fuzi and Newah. So in a sense in
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 7: that story, Fuzi is the third born, the thrice great
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 7: thrice born.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 7: I just wanted to say, yeah, it's really interesting that
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 7: there's all these thoth like teacher like entities and the snake,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 7: the snake body and the sacred geometry.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: It's all it's all there.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 7: Right, so uh, to wrap things up, I wanted to
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 7: go into Oedipus right and talk about Taro nick the
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 7: the origination of Odipus as he's thrown out by his
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 7: dad because he gets his dad gets the prophecy that
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 7: his son is going to kill him, so he hangs
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 7: him by his feet on a tree, and he's he's
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 7: the hanged man from like infancy. So pretty pretty interesting
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 7: symbolism there. And again you have a tree and and
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 7: uh he's rescued by a farmer another another another king
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 7: nearby anyway, and his whole life is kind of screwed up.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 7: But we accept the answer to him, or the answer
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 7: of his to the riddle of the Sphinx, but he
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 7: gets everything else wrong.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: That's the that's the one thing that he becomes a
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: hero for is because of his answer to the riddle
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: of this fate. And that's really revealing about this hanged
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: man influence is because he's like the ultimate mortal character,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: the ultimate flawed or fallen character, all the rest of them.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 7: So the riddle of the Sphinx is from the play
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 7: of Otipus Oedipus. However you say it the next one,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 7: nick I got the riddle there that everyone can read.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 7: What walks on four legs in the morning, two legs
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 7: at noon, and three legs in the evening. Most people
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 7: know that the answer is man or humans rather to
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 7: be more politically correct, the staff of old age being
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 7: the third leg in the evening. But here we see
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 7: Otopus and he's got a staff, and I would say
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 7: that the answer actually is the Master, the thrice Great
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 7: walks on three legs, right, And and we see here
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 7: otis himself himself as the staff there. And there's a
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 7: second in this play again we're talking about when when
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 7: Otopus goes to defeat the Sphinx. I believe he was
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 7: even in the play was in Egypt, but I'm not
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 7: one hundred percent sure he might have been elsewhere. But
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 7: the Sphinx and Cherubim widely celebrated symbol of you know,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 7: a coming to get you character. There's known to be
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 7: a second riddle of the Sphinx and a little bit
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 7: lesser known. So I would just say that that with that,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 7: it's not the old person, it's.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: The master.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: Forehead two d that yeah, tetramorph tetramorphalypse, right, got a
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: lot of.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 7: Stuff, and four is a super powerful number in all
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 7: of Asian countries. Sometimes it's auspicious and lucky. Other times
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 7: it's not even on the elevator buttons right, like the
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 7: like flour thirteen in the West. And sometimes they won't
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 7: have thirteen either. No four, no thirteen a negative one
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 7: and then they start. So the next one is the
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 7: second riddle of the Sphinx, and it just beckons the
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 7: yin yang concept. Right, there are two sisters. One gives
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 7: birth to the other and she in turn gives birth
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 7: to the first.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: Who are the two sisters?
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 7: And I mean it's just just in that collaboration it
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 7: just you see the yin and yang. The answer is
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 7: is day and night right, And day and night also
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 7: has a or rather one day has four aspects, just
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 7: like a year. There's day and night in the first polarity,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 7: and there's dawn and dusk in in the second polarity.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 7: So and now I'm gonna get into something that I
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 7: have not studied entirely. But it is so profound in
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 7: bringing together these four aspects and lessons of four that
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 7: I think it's worth sharing it. And and Elephus Levie
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 7: is uh a foundational occultists, and he came up with
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 7: the idea about the powers of the sphinx. And so
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 7: certainly the idea with the Egyptians was not getting old
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 7: and carrying a staff. It was being immortal and holding
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 7: a branch of the tree of life. And that's really
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 7: what the staff symbolizes. It's not your you're old, you
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 7: need a stick. No, it's the reason why the kings
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 7: and the priests and the philosophers, Moses to Tahoudi to whoever,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 7: they all had a staff because it is the branch
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 7: of the tree of life.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: That they get to hold. Because they're empowered individuals.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 7: So here's a set of the four idea related to
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 7: these four aspects of the sphinx, which is nick. You
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 7: might have heard of these in Thalima. I heard that
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 7: this is like a Thalamic things.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean it kind of looks like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it also kind of goes along with
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: the will to keep silent.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: Kind of goes along with ter.
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  Speaker 5: Right, right, it's all right there, Uh.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 7: I think that the first polarity there to know and
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 7: to will. I saw this meme the other day, like
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 7: people would rather argue about Crowley than learn about him. Ye,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 7: people would rather say the expression do as thatout will
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 7: without even knowing anything. You have to know first, otherwise
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 7: it'll be horrible if you enact your will and you're
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 7: an ignorant, materialistic hollow you know, dunt the dunt like
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 7: we see so many today. That's no good. The first
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 7: aspect to do that will is to know. So Elvis
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 7: Levi came up with this idea illustrated in the next one.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 7: All right, or or maybe maybe the next one or
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 7: I forget where I'm at, but.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, here here, here, it is right.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 7: Everything is possible to him who wills only what is true.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 7: Rest in Nature study know then dare dare to will
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 7: dare to act and be silent. And there's that fourth
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 7: aspect of silence again, and and it's it's very much
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 7: like you don't want to be braggadocio. Also, you don't
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 7: necessarily want to let people know your practice because they
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 7: want they might want to chop it down. You know,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 7: if you don't let people know that you're you're not
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 7: doing things harm harmful. I'm not saying to be clandestine
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 7: and sneaky, just saying like sometimes you know, silence is
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 7: just it's not sneaky, it's just showing by doing.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: And were big time into the espionage racket.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 7: That's true too. There's there's the exoteric interpretation of these
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 7: esoteric ideas. Good point as absolutely.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, Crowley was my six agent, was he not?
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: I think he was? And I five, I definitely think
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: he was intelligence.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, whatever kind of intelligence I mean I think.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: I mean the same thing with fucking uh what's his name?
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: Quino d John d Right, he was the original seven
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: below seven Yeah, man, yeah, sucking each other out.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: Dou below seven is two bolcane.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: Wow, every day, thank you?
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: Heavin to look at the.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 7: So the next one is just another elaboration of this
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 7: UH four mode of magic. If you will that Elphus
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 7: Levi put forth. To learn how to will is to
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 7: learn how to exercise dominion. But but not this, what's
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 7: the true power dominion of self?
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 7: But but that that could be interpreted different ways, and
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 7: and you know, exerted different ways.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: But to be able to exert.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 7: Will power you must first know. For will power applied
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 7: to folly is madness.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: Death and hell.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 7: So there it is, right the whole what Crowley is
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 7: best known for. Do as that will, and people will
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 7: just say that like that gives them some kind.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: Of right to do as that will.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 7: Well, you gotta know first, You must know first. So
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 7: the next one I wanted to point out Nick, this
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 7: is the eye of Horus, and it goes along with
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 7: the eaching process. Right, it's got up to the one
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 7: sixty four. It goes the other way, right, the eaching
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 7: goes to sixty fourth parts. This goes to one sixty fourth.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 7: And this is heckat in an exoteric understanding. It is
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 7: a measurement system of grain in ancient Egypt. And this
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 7: was by these fractions. Is how they you know, measure
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 7: their grain and also, you know.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: I just want to say this in there real quick,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: if you really think about it, your your the accordia
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: is basically like almost like grainy, Like it's really interesting.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 7: Right, And I was going to say brain and grain, right,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 7: because this it's the way to measure the grain, and
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 7: it's also the way to measure the brain, uh as
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 7: as they do here, the smell being one half of
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 7: the immediate perception value, as they put forth, which which
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 7: I think we unknowingly like pheromones and so forth. These
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 7: are really influential things going on and we don't even
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 7: really know, you know, that we're smelling them sometimes it's
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 7: not like a conscious smell.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: I had a weird evolutionary thought real quick, what if
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: how we see the world influences how our brains are
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: sh aped, so different species of animals see the world differently,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: and in doing so, it's influencing the shape of the
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: brain instead of vice versa.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, And even if you were to be a like
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 7: a feral human and you end up with dogs, your
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 7: sense of smell is going to be dumb heightened just
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 7: because you're watching them doing it and you start doing it,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 7: You're you're just activating by practicing.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 5: Right, So I think if.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: Evolution requires a shifting of consciousness, sure, I.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 7: Don't think it's a what if. I think it is
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 7: what is right?
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 7: That was now I was done with the images, Nick,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 7: but the four it just is a base way to
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 7: perceive things and also a base way to develop.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: And Uh.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 7: One thing I forgot to mention is that the yin
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 7: yang symbol is actually the taiji and it means the
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 7: grand ultimate polarity. And so when people practice what we
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 7: say tai chi, it's not tai chi, it's taiji. So
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 7: they're practicing this self development system.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 7: So that's just another exoteric and esoteric relationship.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: Oh you know what I wanted to pull up before?
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: Damn it.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: I think I let me see if I have it
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: just before when we talk about four's and like hates
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: and stuff, and again there's these these two planetary sigils
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: have to do with the mercury and Jupiter, I mean
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: in Jupiter would be considered a higher arc of mercury anyway,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: kind of.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: And you even have like the whole four you don't
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: go up before again that is for Jupiter and I
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: kind of just looked like even other ship you saw before.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: And then I do have.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: Harmonies was the Angel of Zeus or Jupiter?
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: And then uh, this one is interesting, the one for Mercury,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: which would go with the eighth sphere. You do have
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: like a bunch of like four again four squares, four circles.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: That was seeing the four repeated.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 5: Still yeah, it's deep symbol.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, man, I learned something new every time I
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: come on this show, So that's great.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: Normally I do too great information, Ethan, that was great.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: That was uh yeah, I gotta.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 7: Thanks for thanks for listening to everyone. Yeah, yeah, it's uh.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 7: I think the fourth Initiation really has some inspirational ideas
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 7: and insights towards self development on our own, not necessarily
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 7: without the guides. It's not saying to remove anything you
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 7: might have learned before, but it's more just kind of
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 7: empowering for our own individuation.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: Fourth dimensional thinking.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: Uh, anybody have any questions anything?
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 6: I was just gonna say, I ain't get to get
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 6: to none of my times. Man, you're lucky, wrong and.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 5: We don't have to have that discussion.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: No, do you have any Yeah, it was anything? Was
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: anything that you kind of wanted to ask to bring up.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 6: It's not any things specific that I can ask. I
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 6: just had, you know, I just like some of the
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 6: stuff that he talked about. You know, you know, the
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 6: four meaning complete and stuff like that plays a lot
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 6: of parts in Masonic rituals and ceremonies and stuff like that.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I appreciate it. I'm going to get more books.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: I've already read two of his books already.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 6: So and he said the fourth Initiation is the fourth one,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 6: of course, and uh there's other ones, so I have
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 6: to go back and get the other ones, read those,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 6: then come back to this one and read this again
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 6: just to get more of a basic understanding.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I enjoyed the enjoy his work. I mean
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 5: I've read his books like that.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 6: As soon as he sent them to me or told
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 6: me they were on Amazon, Kendle, I was like.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, let me go get there. And I already
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: have another one on there.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 6: I just got It's gonna be about another two or
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 6: three weeks before I read them. So yeah, anybody that's
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 6: interested in you know, either in meditation or numeraal numbers
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 6: or numbers in period and understanding, you know, the consciousness
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 6: and the person within you.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 5: I guarantee you you learn a lot from reading these books.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: Thanks, thank you.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: Definitely hell Us of Jules, did you uh want to
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: ask her anything.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: Or what I was I was gonna say, we were
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: looking into uh Lithuanian paganism because uh Lithuanian and so
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: uh there's this one symbol of Remova which is like
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: the pagan h equivalent of their native religion, right and
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: uh it has four snakes on the on the seal,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: and it's like that's perfect, Like you're all about the
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: four and there's the four right there.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 5: So I thought that was kind of interesting, not as
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 5: bad as symbol.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, And it's really knowing the four aspects of things
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 7: or even imagining that it might be there. When I
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 7: look at symbols, and when I'm looking at even symbological stories,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 7: I find it really helps to decipher things, like with
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 7: the three two two idea, not necessarily verified, not necessarily
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 7: entirely the truth, it's a possibility.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 5: And also with the uh the riddle of the Sphinx.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 7: It may not be that what I'm saying that there
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 7: is a fourth aspect, but but as soon as I
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 7: saw that there's the threefold idea. It just kind of
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 7: made me think, well, we're there's a there's a fourth
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 7: answer here, So I think it does help interpret different
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 7: different things.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: Definitely, Oh, Ethan, thank you very much.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 8: Man.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: I'm really really happy you came back on it. Tod.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: That definitely definitely, definitely definitely ten times better than last time.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: That's because there was other people here, so oh yeah, man,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate that.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: I appreciate you so much.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, uh yes, I guess we could just wrap
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: it up then, well let everybody like this shows and
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: promote this stuff again.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: Headless, what is going on over there? Man?
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: That was a great episode. It felt like a whole
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: initiation all on its own. So thank you so much.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 5: Ethan.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: You can email me your occult stories at the Headless
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: giinat gmail dot com and we will read those on Thursdays,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: so check it out. Thank you.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Jules.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: Nick again, thanks for having me on. Great presentation. Like
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: I said, I'm going to have to try to remember
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: to get your book sooner than later, Headless Tyrone. It's
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: always good hanging out with you guys, hearing what you'all
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: have to say. These shows are a lot of fun.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: Guys.
• 1:39:42
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• 1:39:58
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• 1:40:02
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• 1:40:05
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• 1:40:09
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• 1:40:16
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• 1:40:18
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• 1:40:21
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• 1:40:30
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• 1:40:38
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• 1:40:43
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• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: You take it over the Tower Gang slot.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: Well yeah, it's the t MO Tower Gang. Yeah, Tunnel Gang.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: But we're not Jews. Sorry, sorry, that's a bad joke.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: Get wait anyway, but yeah, y'all check us out tomorrow.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 4: I guess we'll be doing we we got a couple
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: of shows tomorrow, right, you'll you'll see me on one
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: of them.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, y on.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: The later show perhaps.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, depending on it if you can, man, Yeah for sure.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is great and uh, I appreciate you making
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: me a part of this, Nick Hell.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course definitely show and uh oh before we
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: get to uh Tyrone and Ethan to let them plug
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: the plug the stuff, I do want to jump in
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: because people.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: Are player starting to like shut it off regardless, but
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: I forgot to mention it in the beginning.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: There is events uh that the cult regions will have
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: boots at uh Tyrone and myself will be at a
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: bunch of them.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: Tyrone will be out a bunch of them with me
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: and then maybe maybe even other people.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: But I did want to plug some of the dates
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: and at least like where they're supposed to be at,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: So September twenty sixth to twenty seventh in mount Airy, Georgia.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: October fourth, uh, Franklin, North Carolina.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: That's like a big Foot thing that those both there Bigfoot,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: but they'll have the like weird other weird stuff there.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: Then there's Charlie's Beyond Believe October eighteenth, and Brook from
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: uh the cole Rejects but Dark Florida Park podcast. She
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: is actually speaking at the event, and she's got a
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: booth next to us. We grabbed the booth number thirty
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: three and she got booth thirty two. Fuck it, it's
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: time may Soundic Lodge. You gotta do it right.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: Check check that place out. Uh.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Charlie's Beyond Belief and that would be in Fort Myers, Florida.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: So even if we want to come down and talk
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: some shit and see if I want to catch some checks,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: you can come check me out down that October twenty fifth,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: twenty sixth. You were guy the UFO Comic Con in Greenville,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: South Carolina. Uh, November twenty second, UFO Comic Con, Moresville,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: North Carolina. And then December fifth and sixth some art
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: thing with There will be authors, artists and filmmakers and
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: weird stuff mount Airy, Georgia. So come check it out
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: if you can. Most of those events too, are like
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: ten dollars apiece. So even if you just want to
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: like fucking if you're around in the area and just
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: meet up with us and talk shit. Just ten bucks,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: So yeah, come hang out. We'll have a booth and
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: we'll have some wild shit setup too as well. All right,
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: I'm done talking, I'll shut up, Tyrone.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, sir.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this was a good show.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 6: But you already know that Ethan, you bring great material
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 6: whenever you speak so or write a book, So either
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 6: way that goes, you know how that goes. Everything you
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 6: can find on me is on my website, Rebirth at
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 6: the word dot com. You can find my rumbo, my
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 6: Twitter accounts, my Facebook accounts, my LinkedIn and stuff like that.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 6: So yeah, just be on the lookout for my documentary.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 6: Well it's not so called like a documentary type what
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 6: you see on television, but it's not gonna documentary of
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 6: all the places that I'm visiting around the Americas and
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 6: other places, so you get a more feel of it
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 6: because a lot of people.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 5: Are going to AI and I'm trying to not do that.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 5: I want to bring real, authentic material to the people.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: So yeah, check that out.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, thank you very much, sir.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: And last but not least, the guests of the hour
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: and a half, almost two hours, e'sn in to go,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: thank you again very much, sir for coming on, and.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 7: No, thank you Nick for putting together all the awesome
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 7: shows Headless Jules Tyrone, I thank you so much for
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 7: your friendship and support that that was really fun.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 7: I'm on all the usual social media YouTube, Twitter, Facebook,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 7: and so on, and I can be found easily, and
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 7: my book is on Amazon can be found easy to
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 7: and thank you everyone for the support. I was trying
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 7: to look at the chat and not laugh too much,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 7: So thanks you.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: For the grown episode on my show. You Gotta Anytime
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: one gray Field YouTube tire.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: Ethan's got a lot to say. Actually, if you look.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 6: Much stuff I got, I got PowerPoint presentations ready, so
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 6: I'm ready anytime.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah for real.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: Every Tuesday thirty Central already dead. Uh me, Well, I'm
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: the producer. I run behind the scenes. But Josey Gallison
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: and Austin Picard, uh you can catch it on their
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: channels or mine. I stream it to my channel too.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: So Tuesday did I say Thursday? I meant Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday, tuesdays?
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 4: Fuck me?
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: Is that why you're not there?
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: Sometimes ten hours a day? He's like, I'm there on Thursday?
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 4: Like wait, yeah, yeah, guys, great show tonight. Hell here
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: show tonight fellas.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely, No, that was a great, great show. Ethan again,
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: I really for me, I did you. I don't know
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: if you added all this stuff. It just seemed like
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: it was it was different than the last time, maybe
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: because there was different people here. But that was really
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: really great stuff man, and the chat was awesome, so I.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 7: Tried really trying to make it a little different.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: But oh yeah, I appreciate it, man.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: But uh yeah, that is the end of another reculled
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: Rejects And thanks again for everybody in the chat. That's
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: what's up. Thank you all for making it tonight. And
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: I know it's a little bit later, but I appreciate it.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: And until the next one, everybody be well.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: Later