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Gordie Chiesa Hour on DP vs Dybantsa tonight in Vegas, Still waiting on LeBron's decision + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Peace out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 2: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 3: Let's not get crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Come for the hoops talk. Stay for his list of
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  Speaker 1: the day. My list today.
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  Speaker 2: Here's O C with basketball sabon Gordy Chiasa on the
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  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell show.
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  Speaker 4: Gordy chias That joined us here in studio on the
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  Speaker 4: Sean O'Connell Show, brought to you by a Latin Industries,
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  Speaker 4: your Utah Vlux Skylights dealer, Gordy, Good to see you again.
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  Speaker 1: How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 3: And welcome back to from Dallas, Texas and also from London.
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  Speaker 3: You're like a globe trotter.
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  Speaker 1: I'm all over the place.
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  Speaker 4: Wimbledon last week, Big twelve media days this week. We
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  Speaker 4: took down some brisket down there in the greater Dallas
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  Speaker 4: Fort Worth area. There was It was the kind of
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  Speaker 4: punctuation point on the whole trip.
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  Speaker 1: Went to H.
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  Speaker 4: Hutchin's Barbecue and made sure to gorge myself on good
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  Speaker 4: old fashioned Texas barbecue.
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  Speaker 3: So you're saying that Texas barbecue is better than Kansas City.
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  Speaker 1: That's tough.
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  Speaker 4: Well Memphis, Well, I'll say yes, more than Memphis. Better
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  Speaker 4: than Memphis. Is it better than Kansas City barbecue? Well,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to do a little bit more research.
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you this, Gordy. I've had a lot more
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  Speaker 4: Texas barbecue than I've had authentic Kansas City barbecue.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so I would lean in that direction, all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So Shelby continued, Well, welcome back, good to see.
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  Speaker 4: You, good to see you. And look, we've missed a lot.
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  Speaker 4: I have missed a lot in the weak ish of
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  Speaker 4: being away.
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  Speaker 1: There's no off season, there's no slow.
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  Speaker 4: Time right now in sports and in the NBA certainly
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  Speaker 4: that that holds true. Let's start with the thing that
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  Speaker 4: is most locally relevant. Utah Jazz number two draft pick
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  Speaker 4: Darren Peterson in a Jazz uniform for the first time,
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  Speaker 4: playing summer league basketball up at the Huntsman Center. Got
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  Speaker 4: big time matchups coming up. But you and I have
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  Speaker 4: yet to talk about his debut in the Jazz uniforms.
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  Speaker 4: So let's dive into that. What are you see in
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  Speaker 4: from not only Darren Peterson but from the Jazz in
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  Speaker 4: summer League.
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  Speaker 3: Well, first, some league there were three to zero. Not
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  Speaker 3: that it matters winning, but their hats how they won.
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  Speaker 3: They played good defense, they shared the ball, and they
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  Speaker 3: have a good talent level as far as injury in
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  Speaker 3: their age group. All right, Darren Peterson dynamic, he lives
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  Speaker 3: in the paint. He should get it right now. Morgan's
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  Speaker 3: shown by being in a paint all the time, all right,
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  Speaker 3: with a very low interest rate. Very silmy to you,
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  Speaker 3: showing I my dad.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: His quick metrics he averaged twenty six point five points
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  Speaker 3: per game, seven assists, three point five rebounds, and five turnovers,
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  Speaker 3: but his turnovers were the first game. In a second
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  Speaker 3: game he had twelve dimes and only two turnovers. He
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  Speaker 3: played two games, held him out the last game, which
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  Speaker 3: is very normal with most teams. They do right now,
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  Speaker 3: What he does is that he has that unbelievability to
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  Speaker 3: get his shoulder by the initial defender, get in the
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  Speaker 3: lane and make a play. And that play could be
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  Speaker 3: a rim attack. It could be kicking out to the
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  Speaker 3: corner for a rainbow three. It could be pivot away
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  Speaker 3: into a two footed gel and bruntson type move in
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  Speaker 3: the lane, which is really impressive. Or the last point
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  Speaker 3: about it. That's feathery mid range jump shot. And so
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  Speaker 3: he was absolutely spectacular. Number two pick at a draft.
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  Speaker 3: He really shows what he could do and with the progression,
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  Speaker 3: he's going to be a tremendous player for the Jazz.
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  Speaker 4: When you're watching a young guy like that and he
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  Speaker 4: makes it look easy, and he makes it look like
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  Speaker 4: it's not as challenging for him to identify where that
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  Speaker 4: pass should go, it's not as challenging for him to
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  Speaker 4: create the physical spacing, et cetera, et cetera. How much
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  Speaker 4: of that stuff you look at and you say, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: he's been coached well to do that, And how much
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  Speaker 4: of it do you look at and say that's just
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  Speaker 4: God given.
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  Speaker 3: That's God given. No, the answer is free, for it's
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  Speaker 3: God given. One fourth coach, slash teammates, slash environment. He's
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  Speaker 3: got talent. Remember in the NBA, this is the talent league. However,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of times people have knockout talent and they
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  Speaker 3: got themselves by over dribbling, Sean that awful thing called
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  Speaker 3: over dribbling. So far, Darren Peterson dribbles very wisely. And
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  Speaker 3: what he does he's making he makes his teammates better.
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited for him for Jazz basketball. So he's ultra talented,
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  Speaker 3: all right, Tonight, Sean, the main event And I'm not
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  Speaker 3: talking about you bout you fighting right now, Sean, I'm
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  Speaker 3: talking about the main event tonight with Ajed de Bonsa,
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  Speaker 3: who we all love, the former BYU, tremendous talent. Via
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  Speaker 3: Brockton Massachusetts is playing against Darren Peterson. So the Witches
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  Speaker 3: played tonight against the Jazz. Sean, who would have thought
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  Speaker 3: if someone said to me thirty five years ago, when
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  Speaker 3: I was coaching in the NBA back in nineteen eighty nine,
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  Speaker 3: is that ESPN would do the game live, a sub
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  Speaker 3: league game. I would say, what do you crazy? And
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  Speaker 3: that's the power of what of one? NBA basketball and
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  Speaker 3: live programming? And then these two elite young talents meeting
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  Speaker 3: aj and Darren Peterson, which is first jest tonight at
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  Speaker 3: nine o'clock back East, seven o'clock here local on ESPN
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  Speaker 3: National Television showing for some league game.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right crazy.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it tells you it's a testament to the
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  Speaker 4: status of the NBA now on the American sports landscape. Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: the NFL is the king and dominates, but the NBA
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  Speaker 4: being I mean, there's the alternative programming that used to
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  Speaker 4: find a niche gets pushed out by Summer League basketball,
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  Speaker 4: right correct ten years ago. That's that's when you're watching
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  Speaker 4: the Lumberjack games. That's when there's a dog show on ESPN.
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  Speaker 4: That's when poker is on ESPN. Now they're like, you
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  Speaker 4: know what, let's go to a university campus and let's
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  Speaker 4: put this on our big channel because these are the
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  Speaker 4: future stars of the league.
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  Speaker 3: Very much, great vibes around the SO League. Now there
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  Speaker 3: SO League in Vegas. I call it a quase NBA Convention.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody there is in the NBA in Las Vegas for
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  Speaker 3: the next twelve days, whether you are a player that's
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  Speaker 3: on a present team, you are a god that played
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  Speaker 3: in Europe last year, you're trying to get re entered
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  Speaker 3: again to the NBA of trying to outplay the guys
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  Speaker 3: that were hiring the draft this year. All the executives met,
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  Speaker 3: all the coaches there, and most of all, Shawn are
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  Speaker 3: the agents. The agents are front and center besides sitting
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  Speaker 3: at courtside, they are absolutely shown. I called the All
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  Speaker 3: Lobby team, where you're in the lobby all the time
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  Speaker 3: and the agents are talking and they're doing business sewn
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  Speaker 3: in the lobby, Sewan, I know you've been a lot
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  Speaker 3: of times been at the Marriotte Lobby doing business. This
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  Speaker 3: is the extreme and at Thomas and Mack Center. So
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  Speaker 3: if you want to see some of the executives and
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  Speaker 3: also the agents, just hang out in the lobby.
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  Speaker 4: Caante George has been disallowed from his little coaching attempt.
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  Speaker 4: It feels like the NBA is being a bit heavy
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  Speaker 4: handed here, but I don't know all the fine print
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  Speaker 4: rules and stuff. Are you surprised that they reverse their
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  Speaker 4: decision to let him be a volunteer coach for one game?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Surprise. Yeah, it was really a good it's a good story.
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  Speaker 3: I'm surprised they acted as the judge the jury and
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  Speaker 3: the trial, and so surprising. What the jests are trying
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  Speaker 3: to do was their young fourth year player. I'll come again,
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  Speaker 3: quasi point guard is that he's going to get a
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  Speaker 3: being in the staff meetings and just get an understanding
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  Speaker 3: about how the coaches think. It's a different world and
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  Speaker 3: your point guard in the NBA, your world turns every
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  Speaker 3: twenty four seconds as far as the shot clock, and
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  Speaker 3: so when you're involved with the coaches in a very
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  Speaker 3: learning environment. It helps you understand the position better. They
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  Speaker 3: against players play the game physically. Every coach thinks the
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  Speaker 3: game mentally. When you're an elite player, you do both.
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  Speaker 3: You play the game physically and you think mentally of
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  Speaker 3: what's going on, especially if you're a QB in the
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  Speaker 3: NFL or if you're a point guard on a deep
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  Speaker 3: playoff team. So every time in the playoffs, remember that
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  Speaker 3: thing people always tell us all the time. Well, in
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  Speaker 3: the NBA, it's it's really not positional. Oh really until
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  Speaker 3: you get to the playoffs. Well, guess what the last
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  Speaker 3: five minutes of a playoff game, who is your point
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  Speaker 3: guard that get everybody's involved in the offense gets the
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  Speaker 3: ball to the player with a hot hand and a sewan,
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  Speaker 3: a hot hand and a dice game. Those are the
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  Speaker 3: best kind and whoever gets can make foul shots. And
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  Speaker 3: that's what you want to try to do. And that
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  Speaker 3: was the reason why the Jazz with with account de
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  Speaker 3: George of giving him an understanding about the position.
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  Speaker 4: Back to Darren Peterson, You've got this young man who's
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  Speaker 4: kind of shining in the first opportunity to really show
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  Speaker 4: people what he's about in the summer league, and obviously
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  Speaker 4: there's plenty of basketball to play. There's plenty of growing
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  Speaker 4: pains that the team will experience with him, that he
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  Speaker 4: will experience as an individual. In his first NBA season,
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  Speaker 4: he got the Ace Bailey question, you know that with
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  Speaker 4: the how much we rest in him backspasm's health kind
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  Speaker 4: of a situation. This Utah Jazz team is kind of
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  Speaker 4: not verbally, not outwardly, but they've sort of developed an understanding.
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  Speaker 1: We've we've been at given.
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  Speaker 4: This tacit promise that like, all right, we're going to
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  Speaker 4: compete now, We're gonna put all these guys out there.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 4: The gap between Darren Peterson from the experience and the
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  Speaker 4: learning level versus the guys he's going to be on
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  Speaker 4: the floor with. How long does it take him to
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  Speaker 4: close that gap? Half a season? Okay, yeah, half a year.
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  Speaker 3: As far as the speed of the game with the
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  Speaker 3: in the NBA is that the biggest factor right now
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  Speaker 3: is understanding about the impact of the shot clock, also
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  Speaker 3: the speed index, the defensive rules, and also what's allowable
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  Speaker 3: with defensive physicality. So a lot of times, you know,
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  Speaker 3: players are overzels, sewing, they're in his stance, they move
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  Speaker 3: their feet, commendable, et cetera. And then suddenly they blow
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  Speaker 3: the guy in the face. Guess what, that's a foul.
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  Speaker 3: So you have to be able to play with technique
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  Speaker 3: and tenacity, and so with Darren's with Darren Peterson, has
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  Speaker 3: he has talent? The question can he play with technique?
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  Speaker 3: And they have tenacity defensively of doing it with consistently,
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  Speaker 3: And so take about a half a year of normal progress,
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  Speaker 3: and that's most people. Darren Peterson is a major talent
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  Speaker 3: and the Jazz or the benefit of it. Even though
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  Speaker 3: it's painful, this guy is well worth the way. Now
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  Speaker 3: the question is, as always, is the other his teammates now,
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  Speaker 3: his floormates, all right, his buddymates. How how did he
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  Speaker 3: perceive him? And can make the Can he make his
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  Speaker 3: team better? And can his Can Jaron Jackson make him better? Can't?
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  Speaker 3: Can Anty George make him better? Can Larry Markinham make
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  Speaker 3: him better?
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  Speaker 1: Can?
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  Speaker 3: Use of Nrkage? By the way, please give me a screen,
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  Speaker 3: Give me a screen in the game. Use of Nerkage,
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  Speaker 3: who the Jazz signed with a very good i'll call
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  Speaker 3: team friendly eleven million dollar contract. Sean where the last
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  Speaker 3: week or so I've been wherever I went, Sharan. People
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  Speaker 3: have asked me about Walker Kessler about do you think
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  Speaker 3: it's the right thing to do? The answer is absolutely
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  Speaker 3: unequivoctally yes. The Jazz liked Walker Kessler. He was homegrown,
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  Speaker 3: meaning they drafted him. They often him a tremendous contract,
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  Speaker 3: twenty eight million dollars a year, a whole bunch of money.
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  Speaker 3: That was the largest contract that a non MBA All
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  Speaker 3: Star center ever received. Yes, twenty eight million. His agent
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  Speaker 3: didn't thought it was insulting, and he walked away got
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  Speaker 3: more money one last year with the Lakers, so the
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  Speaker 3: Jazz didn't blink. Now they pivoted use of nrkriage ready
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  Speaker 3: with a rebound by committee right now. But more importantly
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  Speaker 3: is that you don't want to overpay dramatically on somebody
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  Speaker 3: that's unproven. The Lakers are the opposite, saying that it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't matter. We think he can help us as story
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  Speaker 3: as defensively. We're awful on defense. We need a shot blocker.
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  Speaker 3: He's the guy. I get it.
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  Speaker 4: If you're Keyante George and you're his agents, and you
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  Speaker 4: see the Jazz move on from that albatross number that
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  Speaker 4: Walker Kesser was going to represent. You got to feel
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  Speaker 4: really good that now that money's coming to you, right.
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  Speaker 3: Correct, Absolutely, the Conte George fourth year, he's done a
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  Speaker 3: good job. His first year or two I called he
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  Speaker 3: was shooting angry. I'll show you how you're disrespecting me.
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  Speaker 3: And then to his to his credit and the maturity
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  Speaker 3: of most players, that index oney immature. Is it twenty
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  Speaker 3: two years old? Is it twenty seven years old? Is
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  Speaker 3: it thirty seven years old? Hey Sean, I know some
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  Speaker 3: guys at age seventy eighty, they're eighty seven years old,
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  Speaker 3: and it's still immature. So it happens. So but with
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  Speaker 3: Kean George is that he has a high level maturity.
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  Speaker 3: And now his representation which is which which used to
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  Speaker 3: be Washington Media Group. The guy got in trouble with
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  Speaker 3: the Epstein files shown if you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's called it's called Team T E A M.
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  Speaker 3: That's the that's the new not new agency, but the
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  Speaker 3: new now title of the Washington Media Group that moved
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  Speaker 3: away from Casey Wasserman. And now it's not the George
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  Speaker 3: that's his agent. And it should be interesting what they
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  Speaker 3: do with him.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna stay on clock. Here.
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  Speaker 4: Gordy's with us for the hours, so we'll have him
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  Speaker 4: until about twelve thirty.
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  Speaker 1: Lots of different things happening around the NBA.
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  Speaker 4: It's not just the Utah Jazz keeping a close eye
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  Speaker 4: on the roster and reorganizing things.
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  Speaker 1: Lebron James has yet to make a decision.
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  Speaker 4: We'll talk about that, other trades that have gone down,
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  Speaker 4: and maybe some movement that still will.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into all of it with Gordy Chiaza.
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  Speaker 4: Gordon Jays hanging out with us for another forty ish minutes,
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  Speaker 4: talking all things NBA, Who, Summer League Basketball, Big Time matchup,
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  Speaker 4: AJ debonsa Darren Peterson going head to head. We're gonna
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  Speaker 4: get into that here in just a little bit. But
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  Speaker 4: former Jazz Man Donovan Mitchell look multiple time All Star,
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  Speaker 4: multiple time All NBA and Cleveland said, all right, you've
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  Speaker 4: done enough let's back up the brinks truck. Donovan Mitchell
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  Speaker 4: with a mega extension, big time money. What do you
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  Speaker 4: think of the contract and Donovan's decision to make Cleveland
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  Speaker 4: the long term or at least the medium term home.
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  Speaker 3: Well, for Gonvin Mitchell, it's an unbelievable contract. Remember he
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  Speaker 3: got the Supermax twice now, so he signed two Supermax
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  Speaker 3: contracts with the same team, the Cavaliers. So he's invested
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  Speaker 3: in him a lot of time. People say he wants out,
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  Speaker 3: wants out, that's illusionary because he's proven it ready that
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  Speaker 3: he likes being there and playing in that system. And
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  Speaker 3: the general manager, Kobe Altman, has done a good job
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  Speaker 3: as far as the roster of making the competitive and
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  Speaker 3: Sean we know right now that it's not over yet.
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  Speaker 3: As far as Cleveland's roster that if they move Max
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  Speaker 3: Shreutz this week or next week, that gives some money
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  Speaker 3: now to get possibly Lebron James. So if you see
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  Speaker 3: if you see Max Shrew's being traded, then Lebron is
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  Speaker 3: probably leaning towards that. I Donovan, you love the guy, overachiever.
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  Speaker 3: As far as that six foot three, he's an All
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  Speaker 3: NBA player, he plays hard, he's feel us right now?
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  Speaker 3: And do you realize that that Darren Peterson has more
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  Speaker 3: natural talent than Donovan Mitchell? Do you realize that because
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  Speaker 3: he does that? Donovan again, in a weird way, I'm
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  Speaker 3: saying that he overachieved so far in his career because
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  Speaker 3: he at six foot three, he's a size challenge at
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  Speaker 3: his position, but he overcomes it with a great ball skills, tenacity,
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  Speaker 3: and he's an intelligent person. At the contract, it's what
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  Speaker 3: it is, is that he's a superstar player of a
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  Speaker 3: franchise that has to have him on their team to
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  Speaker 3: remain competitive for the next will say five years to
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  Speaker 3: say the least, and that it makes sense for Donovan
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  Speaker 3: to sign it. And it makes sense very quickly. It's
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  Speaker 3: a four years at Children's seventy three million dollar extension.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Remember this is a new era with the TV contracts,
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  Speaker 3: led with the partners with TV with Amazon coming in
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  Speaker 3: full fledged. Now is that the contracts are accelerating. Look
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  Speaker 3: at Dantude and fifty one beyond. But someday will be
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  Speaker 3: the first players ever to make one hundred million dollars
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  Speaker 3: in a year. Sure, I did say a lifetime, which
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  Speaker 3: a whole bunch of money. I'm saying in a year,
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  Speaker 3: that's how crazy it is. Will ever stop showing I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe if we stop watching TV, but not until then.
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  Speaker 4: Donovan could have waited a year and signed another year,
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  Speaker 4: and that fifth year would have been worth eighty million
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  Speaker 4: dollars in that fifth year. Instead, he gets the four
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  Speaker 4: year extension. The biggest number on that one is a
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  Speaker 4: seventy five million dollar player option for the twenty thirty
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  Speaker 4: and twenty thirty one season. I mean, I'm sure that
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  Speaker 4: there's team salary cap mechanisms to this. There's a conversation
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  Speaker 4: with your family, your agent, and all that kind of stuff.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: The bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Obviously,
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: there's a there's a thing in sport that we have
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: become accustomed to and that we've had to a reality.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: We've had to accept that you are not guaranteed anything really,
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: So signing it this level of money, this extension now
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: makes sense. But he is leaving eighty million on the
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: table by not waiting a year.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Was that the right decision? Yes?
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Because she's also as far as his age group, So
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Donovan turns thirty years young. Emphasize young on September seventh,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: So the four year contract now goes from the thirty
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: four years old and just say in his world, besides
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: the money guaranteed a case of an injury, got the
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: bid at age thirty four. It's almost like Steph Curry type,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I can still at a high level. I can get
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: another contract one more time for another four years at
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: sean at that time, what do you think, I don't
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: exaggerate sewing on average. I'm exaggerating seventy five million on
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: average four years from now.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Well the way, yeah, the way the current inflation is going, certainly, So.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: That's part of the reason why they did that. For
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: one to protect themselves from an injury, and two at
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: age thirty four. I know it sounds crazy. Oh what
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: thirty four to thirty five? What's the difference? The difference
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: is that one year is a huge thing as far
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: as how you're perceived. I'm thirty four equals thirty eight
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: four years later at thirty five on thirty nine. Difference
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: as far as as far as far as playing at
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: elite level.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: You and I have talked about this with a lot
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: of other players, right that some guys as you age,
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: you have to alter your game, right, you can't be
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: such a vertical, explosive type player anymore. You've talked about
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: why you know, guys like Jokic, he's not an above
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: the rim player. He plays on the floor. Donovan Mitchell
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: is explosive. How much is he going to have to
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know, round out the other parts of his
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: game when he reaches the end of this contract he.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Does answers absolutely, Yes, you can go airborne, but be selectively.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: You're thirty. He's thirty right now. I mits this September.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: So around thirty two years old, give it take a
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: year or so, you really realize that I still have
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: serious hops and I can play airborne. But however, when
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I come crashed to the ground, it really is the
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: difference right now. And so what you want to do
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: is be selective as far as you always want to
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: attack the lane, but selectively attack the rim. And that's
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: the difference as far as the maturity of it. Most
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: players that have done that over the years have a
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: longer career. They are in particular Michael Jordan with that
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: fadaway jump shot, and Kobe Bryant the exact same thing,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: also with that that Steph Curry his game is different
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: because he doesn't go airborne. He goes more white over
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: the top of you on the defense right now, so
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Donov will be next guy and all the young fellas
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: that go airborne all the time. Okay, So Anthony Edwards,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: someday Sean will make that adjustment mentally, physically and almost
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: spiritually where I can still play a high level but airborne,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I'm only going to go blue sky some of the time.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Sure you already tease this, but Cleveland is hoping that
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: the Donovan Mitchell domino is just the first to fall
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: in a massive week or a massive couple of weeks
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: for them. They're gonna extend James Harden. It sounds like yes,
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: and they're gonna get Their hope is that they get
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: Lebron James to choose a return to Cleveland. This would
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: be his third stint, of course, with the Cavaliers, and
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: we assume his final ride in the NBA. How likely
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: do you think it is that Lebron James ends up
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: wearing a Calvs uniform alongside Donovan Mitchell and James Harden.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Very likely? The answer is yeah, he played for the Calves.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Now twice you mentioned for total eleven years, Lakers played
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: for eight years and for the Heat four years. Lebron
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: turns forty two on December thirtieth, so again the contract's
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: gonna be. It sounds crazy, just a bare minimum, like
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: it's the minimum because they really can't fit him in
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: the salary cap as far as that and also the
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: second aprin. So the Cavaliers just say they would start.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: They would start James Harden at I'll call him a
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: point guard, Harden, Donovan Mitchell at two, Lebron at three,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Evan Mobley Young Fella Talent All Star at four, and
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: then Jared Jared Jared Allen at five. So that's their team.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: And locally here Sam Merrill Utah State would be off
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: the bench for them, making jump shots right now for them,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: And so that's their starting lineup. Plus other guys the
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: day drafted are ready they will help them. So the
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: point is that that's an elite team with Lebron there
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: playing it all right. So the question is how can
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Lebron and James Harden play in harmony. The answer is yes,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: they can. Both of them can. Is that James Harden
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: knows that he's almost like a hired gun. Lebron is
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: not is a hired gun, but he's the best player
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: in the world as we speak right now. Would only
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Michael Jordan be ahead of him. And so even at
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: the top of the apex, the players might have admitted,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: but they know who it is. It's Donovan one, Lebron two,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: and then James Harden three. So that's the pecking order
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: and they all know it. Will they talk about it
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: and have a sean a Kumbaya moment. Okay, you want
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: to hug, you want to hug right now about this
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: wonderful but that's the reality of it.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Well, it does create an interesting dynamic when Donovan Mitchell
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: just signed this contract and it's the team and the
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: organization saying you're our guy, You're our number one guy.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: The paycheck tells you that in the NBA. Obviously, he
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: is not as old as Lebron James. He's a guy
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: who grew up as a fan of Lebron James. He
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: is rubbed shoulders with Lebron, but it's different than being
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: a teammate and working with them every day and being
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: influenced by him every day. And I guess to some extent,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: having your own influence on Lebron even though he.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Feels pretty set in his ways.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: So pairing Donovan Mitchell, the former jazz man, who's still
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's obviously an established star already in the NBA.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Is Lebron where he's at right now in his career.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Is he going to make Donovan Mitchell better?
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, very much by giving him a mental health
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: break during games. Donova gets in trouble sometimes in playoff
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: games where there's so much pressure on the star player
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: to score. James Harden, unfortunately in his world, has struggled
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: historically in playoff games. All right, Donovan's been great, However,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: often in the fourth quarter he's so worn out, not physically,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: but it's mentally. Lebron's gonna be what gonna help Donovan.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: With less taxing on his body and also on his mind,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Lebron can still deliver. Last year, Lebron averaged Last year,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Lebron averaged twenty five point nine points per game, fifty
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: one point three from the field, thirty five point six
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: from three, even point three rebounds at seven point three
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: assists at age forty one. Yikes, Sean, that's hard to
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: do and he did it right now, and so he's
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: still at top of his game. Lebron is entering his
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: twenty fourth season, meaning the twenty sixth, twenty seventh season.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming Sean, he's trying to play twenty five years
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: to be a quarter of a century playing an elite level,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: which which might never happen again in history of basketball.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: All Right, I want to take another break.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: We're going to talk about some of the current free
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: agents that are on Gordy's radar. We're going to talk
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: a little bit about, uh, the Summer League Premier matchup
• 25:42
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• 25:50
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• 25:56
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• 26:00
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• 26:03
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• 26:06
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• 26:12
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• 26:14
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• 26:17
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• 26:20
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• 26:26
  Speaker 5: As you were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from
• 26:29
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• 26:33
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• 26:40
  Speaker 4: All right, there's been big news all around the NBA,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: even though we're right in the middle of the offseason
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Summer league basketball. We'll get to the Darren Peterson AJ
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Debousa matchup before we cut Gordy loose. But uh, there's
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: still some healthy free agents out there on the market,
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Gordy that have not found a home as of yet.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: What is this process like for those guys?
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Agony, how dare you not sign me? The first day
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: of free agency? It's an awful feeling that your agents
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: keeps saying to you, we're working on this deal. It's
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: almost like a domino effect. If so and so signs here,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: then you can go to this team and so. It's
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: but by the way, I'm a good player, you should
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: be the other way around. I should be dictating the terms.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: It doesn't work like that only some of the time.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: For the elite players in their prime, there's always one outlier,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: and that's the Lebron James. So he's the one guy
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: in the short list. I listed twelve guys that everybody
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: knows about that can still play in the NBA that
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: got street cred and I'm shocked that they're not signed yet.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: That could change an hour from them. I hear some
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: of the guys. Kevin Love, who played for the Jazz
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: this past year, is still can play in an NBA
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: game at age thirty eight off the bench contributed.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Is that room for him on the Jazz roster?
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: All right, Jazz right now as you speak, right now,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: they have fifteen guaranteed contract. They could wave somebody and
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: take the hit on the salary cap. So it's possible. Now,
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: remember they just signed Mobamba yesterday and so that would
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: gets the that's the probably their third center probably.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: All right, it's still possible though. All Right.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Number eleven, Jonas Vallatunis just got weaved by the Nuggets
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: because his contract is uh would have been next year,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: would have been up, it would have been uh valid.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Then the Nuggets opted out, So now he's out there.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: I'd form a Jazz man sharpshooter George ni Yang so
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: he can play in the game and make rainbow freese
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: from the corner. He's saying, why not me?
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Delmar du Rozan heading to the Hall of Fame with
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: the set played for the Sacond Kings last year, is
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: still a productive scorer. He's out there. He they you know,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: he got waved by mutual consent and now they call
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: it the stretch Division. They're gonna stretch out his contract
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: for the next three years. He's out there. I Benedict
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Matherrin if restricted free agent for the Clippers. He's got game,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: he can play. He's playing well for the Clippers last year.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: They haven't resigned him yet because they're waiting for other things.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Peyton Watson of the Denver Nuggets, young fella UCLA downcy
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: six foot six as the Nuggets have a hard time
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: playing defense. This guy can guard. He's restricted. The Nuggets
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: are saying to him, we love your dog. However, we're
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: not gonna pay you as far as until Sewing bids
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: on you. So if no bids on you, we're gonna
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: give you a true, a fair contract. Agent's saying, wait
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: a second, that's we want more, and that's the powerpoll
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: right now. All right, Jonathan kaminga that we talked about
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: you and I shown the last two years. Golden State
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: was there. He left, He goes to Atlanta. Atlanta walked
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: away from twenty four point three million dollars because hey,
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: we love your talent, but we're not sure about you
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: as far as you fitting in with our group. Right now,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: he's out there. I spend it been Whitody off the
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: bench as a point guard aged thirty three. Everybody loves
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: him as far as a backup point guard. He's out
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: there right now. Russell Westbrook the devil, the devil sewn
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: or or I'm misguided. I'm misguided. Hey, I'm misguided, as
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: he's saying right now. He's out there right now, all right.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Draymond Green, he opts out of twenty seven point six
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: million dollars, showing a whole bunch of money, because he's
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: saying that that I can get another year or so
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: extension by the Warriors if we don't get Lebron is
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: his oldest domino effect. He's out there all right. James Harden,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: he opped out of forty two point three million dollars
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: because he's saying that that I don't want to sign
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: give me two years at let's go Sean, let's go
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: at a thirty five and thirty for equals seventy million.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: So I go to Sunset at age thirty nine, and
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: then there's a number one domino effect of all of
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: them is Lebron James. Sure, once Lebron commits what he's doing,
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: then a lot of these guys full into different teams.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Right now, that's my top twelve.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Okay, not his official list today, by the way, but
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: one that is worth discussing. And there's a couple names
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: on there that are from a culture standpoint, from a
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: locker room standpoint. Right, you bring in Lebron James, everybody
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: on the rosters happy. The fan base is probably happy,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: The ticket sellers are happy, the jersey sellers are happy.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: That kind of thing.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: Draymond Green is as polarizing a figure as you're gonna
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: find in the NBA. Now, one thing that you have
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: to admit about Draymond if you're a staunch hater, he's
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: a good basketball player and he does the things that
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: every team needs. He'll rebound for you, he'll get under
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: another team skin, he'll play defense. He can hit a
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: three point shot when you need him to. But he
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: has been a warrior and he's been like insulated from
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: all of that other stuff. They know how to handle him.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Steve Kerr, Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, to some extent while
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: he was still there. They all kind of knew how
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: to deal with the mess of Draymond Green, and they made.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: It worth it.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: I'm not confident if I'm a GM elsewhere that the
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: same thing happens with my team because of Draymond's personality,
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: because of his history. I'm not sure that my fan
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: base is kind of like the idea of having that
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: guy at this age, at this number whatever, a bunch
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: of the other guys on your list, Gordy, It's just like,
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: all right, if and when when these guys get signed,
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: it's gonna make sense for the team.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Draymond and to a lesser extent, I think.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: Russell Westbrook not quite so easy to make those decisions.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: But starting with Draymond, what kind of process are you
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: going through as a coaching staff, as a front office
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: to make sure that you want to bring him in.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: You're gonna pause right now, because you're right. Your point
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: is very valid. Where the Warriors understand his personality and
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: he's played well for them most of the time. Here's
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: the math of it. Right now he turns, he's right now.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Put me he's thirty six years young. Right now, he's
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: entering his fifteenth season, and so we're talking to a
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: new contract would be probably no more than two years,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: and so they're waiting to see but with Lebron and
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: other players, and they're probably gonna do it for two years.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: And that two years with then Sean would also be
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: the exact same contract with Steph Curry and also Steve Kerr.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: So it's possible. Again it's in the discussion point that
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: all three those guys might could go into the sunset
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: all together. Meaning what they had this great, incredible run
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: of four championships in an eight year window where they
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: really played. They played tremendous team basketball. So that's gonna
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: happen with other teams is unlikely they want him. Okay,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Russell Westbrook, he's heading to the Hall of Fame. He's
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: a walking triple double. But there's something missing as far
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: as him, as far as he's like a wild card. Sure,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: that's what he is, and that's why he's a tremendous player. However,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: also there's things about him on the court, especially when
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: he takes those illvised three point shots when it's crucial time,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: and you know, I called that a shooting turnover where
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: it's worse than a turnover, because if it's a turnover,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: it's out of bounds, the clock stops, he catches a
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: three point shot, hits the back rim, that suddenly's a
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: long rebound and off to the race.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: As far as transition, well, that's why I asked this question,
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: because when you're talking about guys like this, who have
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: they've already proven their worth. They've already proven themselves in
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: the NBA, they've already made enough money. Like they're playing
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: because they still love the game. They're playing because they
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: can still make money playing the game. If you're a team, though,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: you're not going to give them top two because of
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: where they're at age wise, at that point in their career.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: And also, I think you have to answer, You have
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: to ask the question for yourself. Do they get me
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: closer to my goal this year? Do they get me
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: closer to a championship? Is Russell Westbrook the piece that
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: puts you over the hump if you're right there as
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: a championship contender.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Feels like no, no, no, it's highly unlikely, right, And
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: if you're a young team, you don't want him influencing
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: the players.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Same thing, the same thing potentially with Draymond Green.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: I think Draymond's got more you know, gas left in
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: the tank than Russell Westbrook does. But he's also a
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: lot more problematic, I think, personality wise in some ways.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, Russell Westbrook, say what you want about him.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: He's never punched a teammate in the face to our knowledge, right,
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: So there's all of this, and I know they're good
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: basketball players, but you can't just say, oh, well, he's
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: a good basketball player, so I want him on my team.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: If he's a quiet guy, a hard work and humble guy,
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: someone that's not going to ruffle any feathers, sure you
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: can probably just do that. But with those personalities in particular,
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: we talk about it all the time, Gordy, You're allowed
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: to do that if it translates to winning or more winning.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: Steve Kerr probably hated having a deal with Draymond sometimes,
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: but he's like, you know what, he serves the role
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: he's supposed to serve on game days, he's really valuable
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: to us.
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  Speaker 1: I just I.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Don't know if I'm a GM ready to make that decision.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: Does Draymond Green get me over the hump whatever I
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: think the hump is? And even then I'm like, probably
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: not unlikely.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Also with Steve Kerr dealing with Draymond dream Green, is
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: that also when he Steve Kerry played for the Bulls
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: with Dennis Rodman. Sure, so he's around people with different
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: personalities and they have a winning game.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: And Steph's personality is one absolutely that allows you to
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: be cause he's like the sort of the quiet killer.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: He's the guy who doesn't have to be coddled. He's
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: not the guy that you have to tell him he's
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: the alpha and let him be vocal about being the alpha.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: He's just that guy, right Like if Draymond and Lebron
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: don't work together the way that Draymond and Steph did
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: for all those years.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Very much so with Steph Curry. He has a dominant
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: game without a dominant voice, and that's when you that's
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: when your teams win. Example Lakers and yesteryear when they
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: had Kobe Bryant and paalgo Sol, it was a perfect
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: working relationship. Kobe had a dominant game and a dominant voice.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Paulgosol had a dominant game with with with a no
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: voice in a good way. And then with the Lakers
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: before that, it was two personalities with Sequille O'Neal and
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Kobe both guys dominant games and dominant voices. But Phil
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Jackson had the ability to get everybody on that same
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: page most of the time, and the Lakers won three
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: championships from a two thousand to two thousand and two,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: two thousand and two or one oh two. So it
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: us happen. But it makes it so much as called
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: a chemistry, it's this unbelievable balance, this winning potion of
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: how players' personalities, how they mesh together at that time
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: of their career. So that's what makes it so interesting.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: And that's every sport, especially in the team sport, where
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: a player can play on a certain team and fit
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: well by the next team he doesn't.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: Darren Peterson versus AJ debonsa right. I don't know how
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: many times we're going to see them actually de ing
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: up one another on the in that game, but it
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: seemed clear as they get ready to face one another.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Peterson with the Jazz, AJ with the Wizards. It seemed
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: clear through the draft process that you know they they
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: were cordial with one another, but there's like they're not
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: best friends. They're not friendly necessarily, right, There's an intensity
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: to the relationship. Maybe and this is the first time
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: we get to see them as professionals squaring off against
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: one another. And I guess, you know, using the other
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: guy as the litmus test as the measuring stick, what
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: do you expect from that matchup that dynamic as they
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: square off in Summer League.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: The first thing is that you want to be ultra
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: aggressive both guys. But what happens a lot of times
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: you get so hyper about the matchup is that you
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: struggle and there's so much energy taken away from you
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: in the first part of the game. And just like
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: it's almost like a playoff game where you want to
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: play so well that you struggled because of the mental
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: part of it. So I was counseling of both players.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: I would say to them that be ultra aggressive, but
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: take a deep breath often to understand that let the
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: game come to you versus you being so aggressive with
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: you out of control. That's the first thing. The second
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: thing is that what this is still a a one
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: time game in as far as in the Summer League,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: there'll be a thousands of other games coming along that
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: you're going to play against the top level teams. Take
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: up for what it is. It's the first, the first
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Somber League game one versus two, and that what you
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: want to do is actually also enjoy it. Remember last
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: year with Victor wen beyond Bay, the hype last year,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Remember him in the tunnel. They kept on showing him
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: in the tunnel. This is a guy that I'm sorry
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: three years ago. Now when he's a rookie. This is
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: sending tonight right now. Slow down your thought process, take
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: your time, be aggressive, but don't be out of control.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Gordon.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: There's a funny story about Will Hardy having to teach
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Darren Peterson, who Ed Reid. The Hall of Fame NFL
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: safety Ed Reid was because I guess the Jazz have
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: a defensive shift call. They they shout Raven at each other, Raven,
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: Raven and partner. That is because Will Hardy loved the
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Ravens and he loved ed Reid. And apparently in a
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: film session he had, he had Darren Peterson, and Darren
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: Peterson was five years old, So he was five years
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: old the last time Ed Reid played football, so he
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: doesn't know who Ed Reed is, and so Will Hardy
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: made him do some homework and watch ed Reid highlights.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: You're a guy who's been through, you know, five different
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: generations of basketball, five different generations of pro sports. Did
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: you ever have moments like that where you would reference
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: a player, you would reference an athlete, you would reference
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: anything to the younger players, and they'd look at you like,
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know who that is.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Well, here's one with the call Malone, where a call
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Malone is a student of the game. So one time
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: we're in a air many times you're an airplane to
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: say the least, but he's gound three o'clock in the morning,
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: and I called them asleeps and needed to do why
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: And so a call came down to me on the
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: three o'clock in the morning on the airplane and we
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: started talking, which is we did often. However, he said
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: to me, Gordy, tell me about Bob Pettitt. So Bob
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Pettitt was his all NBA player in the Hall of
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Fame for Louisiana State, and so he's a power forward.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: And so Carl wanted to know about Bob Pettitt, what healy,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: how he played like. And so I described Bob Pettit
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: to call and that's the one moment I remember in
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: particular where our guy sought uh some of that saw
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: him play who he played like? And did I play
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: like him? And the answer is somewhat becalls so much different.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Bob Pettitt was six foot nine, very similar to Call,
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: weigh two and fifty pounds, very similar to Call, but
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: called much more hops and much more versatility. Different era.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: So I remember that particular three o'clock in the morning
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: and call we're in Cleveland, where we were flying into
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Cleveland three o'clock in the morning, and that's what we did.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: Back to the AJ versus Darren, we kind of hope
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: for rivalries not only team but but personal rivalries developed
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: between star players. And there's been different of NBA basketball
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: that you know, naturally give us that. And then there's
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: like the friendship era where Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: and Chris Paul and all these guys just want to
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: like Lebron. They want to play Kumbaya together and stuff.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: I think Victor weinbin Yaum in this younger generation are
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: the pendulum has swung back the other way, where these
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: guys want to have a little bit of a frosty
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: relationship with one another.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: For Darren Peterson AJ De Bonsa. They played in the
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: same conference in college. One two in the draft. I
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: imagine that there's some you know, some dynamic that exists
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: because of that. But one guy's with the Jazz in
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: the West and one guys with the Wizards in the East.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: So it's not like they're going to see each other
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: a ton maybe until we get to playoff basketball, hopefully
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: this year, but also later on in their careers. Is
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: it does it make sense that these two would, I
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: guess create, foster, cultivate a rivalry between one another.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Very much absolutely now plague each other twice a year,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: once at home and once for Darren pieces point of
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: view in Washington, d C. And then let's hope it
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: happens someday they play in the postseason together, which means
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: that NBA champion the finals then, which would be great.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Right now, so Darren Peterson, so it's your age group.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: We're both young fellas, nineteen twenty years old, and that's
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: that's your group right now that you had to play against.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: And Donval Mitchell now is age thirty. It just shows
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: you had time flies the Domind's gonna be thirty right now.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: And Kay Cunningham is in his prime. He's a twenty
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: five years old, and Anthony Edwards is gonna be is
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: twenty five years old. And Jamal Murray right now is
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: a twenty eight years old and Jalen Brunson is gonna
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: be twenty nine years old. So these are all guys
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: that were elite players and they in this a new
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: generation of people. So now it's gonna be aj with
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Darren Peterson. But the point about this is that it's
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: more about their team though. So even so the US
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: always says, how can I showcase my talent level to
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: the extreme, but help my help my teammates get better
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: and our team wins. And that's the thing that most
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: players they'll understand, is that this is about winning. Even
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: though you have an unbelievable talent level, you've got to
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: play to win. And Maystinks tell you that both these
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: guys do right now, it should be an exciting time
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: for the NBA. These guys, all these guys, like many
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: many players in the draft. Remember camp Buza also is
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: playing showing Let's watch also when camp Busa plays also
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: for the Memphis Grizzlies, what he's gonna do right now?
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: And Booza is a tremendous young talent. Also, he's in
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: that group.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: Also, your philosophy on the sophomores in summer league basketball,
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: the guys who they've already been through in full NBA season.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: You know, obviously the summer league is designed mostly for
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: rookies and newcomers and guys trying to break in. But
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: you know guys like Cooper Flag and steph On Castle
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: who have some star power to him. The Spurs are
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: shutting down Castle. They're not gonna have him play summer league.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on the the older guys for
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: summer league?
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Well, right now in Jazz basketball, that some of the
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: players that they're gonna go right now, and that's Cody Williams.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: This is thirty year, so Cody Williams should be able
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: to uh play well on most possessions in the summer league,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: and he has. To his credit, he's gotten stronger, he's
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: much more confident. Ace Bailly, well see if he plays
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: any time right now for the listeners, he has a
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: back spasms, so they held him out the last few
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: games here in Salt Lake City. Now starts the new
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: new sack of tonight. It's gonna be in in Las
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Vegas right now? Sewing Las Vegas? Do you call it
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: the sink capitol sin city?
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Baby?
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: Do you do you call it that?
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Well? I end up.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: The sin that I'm guilty of in Vegas is gluttony.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: I end up eating way too much when I'm down there.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: You mean, mister buffet.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: Love the buffets, love all the you know, fa fancy
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: five star restaurants. Really spend too much money on food
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: and eat way too much food.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Every time I go to Vegas.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: I don't gamble right because I lose to quickly and
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: then I'm like, I could have done something else with
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: that five hundred bucks.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Right, I'm not.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Gona tell the other crazy stuff that happens in Vegas.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: So you know, dinner, dinner is the show for me
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: in Vegas. That's that's the sin for me, the gluttony.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: What about you?
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: No, I'm the opposite.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: You're on the tables, You're on Blackjack all my No,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: not really No.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: I watch people. Oh I like watching those people like you,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: like your type, people watching people at Vegas Casino abso elite.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: You got as good as it gets.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Really, I learned a lot about your behavior. Some good
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: some bad and often ugly. Yeah, if you know what
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, especially in Vegas. What is your official list
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: for the day?
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Gordon on?
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: My list today is a short list, and it's who's
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: who in basketball as far as you year, players in
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: the NBA history to be selected for at least eight
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: all NBA teams and eight all defensive teams. So eight
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: and eight you're an elite player as far as all
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: NBA and also you're the all Defensive team. These players
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: listed below were two way game standouts and an elite level.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: All possessed versatility and longevity. So it's eight and eight.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Here we go. Chris Paul on Chris Paul number ten,
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: number nine, Kevin Garnett number eight on this list, Gary
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Payton number seven, David Robinson number six, A keep a
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: laju on Again, this list is based on eight NBA
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: teams all pro and eight defensive teams. Number six a
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: keep a Lajahon number five, Halicheck number four, Kobe Bryant,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: number three, Kareem abdul Jabbar, number two, Michael and Jordan
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: and number one is amazing this before I say his name,
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: this guy is the most ever. He was fifteen times
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: voted All NBA, All Pro and fifteen times voted All
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Defensive Team fifteen and fifteen. The criteria was eight and eight,
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: which is unbelievable. I mentioned these guys here. This guy
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: is fifteen and fifteen almost did it twice over.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: All right, So Sean, do you know it is? Just
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: think about NBA basketball, Bill Russell. All right, Bill Russell
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: and Wilt Chamberlain. Unfortunately, they didn't keep All Defensive NBA
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: team until nineteen sixty nine, so Wilt and so Bill
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Russell retired them. These guys would have on this list,
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: but Wilt and Bill Russell were a different era. Unfortunately.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: All right, the number one guy in the NBA with
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: the mo ever eight and eight All pros, All Defensive Team.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: This guy is fifteen and fifteen, Tim Duncan.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Wow, I today fundamental.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: So the Spurs have two guys on this list, David
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: Robinson and Tim Duncan of the top ten of all time.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: Gets even better, fifty went Byamba. Talk about the spurs
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: good fortune. At age twenty two, He's already has right
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: now one All NBA and two All Defensive Team. So
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: a minus major injury to be on this list. Quickly?
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: What about Jazz basketball. Carl Malone was voted fourteen times
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: All NBA and four All Defensive Teams. John Stockton voted
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: eleven times All NBA and five All Star Defensive Teams.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Quickly and Jazz basketball and present tense. Let's hope that
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: someone on the Jazz roster can make All Pro as
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: far as being the top NBA players would also be
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: voted All Offensive Teams.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: We're looking at you, Darren Peterson. That's your job showing
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: fifteen and fifteen. That's insane Duncan. And he never looked
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: like he was trying hard to do any of it,
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Well, always had that casual
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: look on his face.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: That's what you call economy, economy of motion. That's what
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: he had. Right now, very soon is shown to you.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: That's right, when you fought showing you were you were
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: really analytical.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: I was the opposite of that analytical.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: We're talking about the anti Tim Duncan.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: When it comes to that, it's actually we got there's
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: a huge fight this weekend coming up, and I've been
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: talking about Connor McGregor's coming back.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: Max Holloway is my favorite fighter and he's fighting Connor McGregor.
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: And a big thing about McGregor at his you know, height,
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: is that he.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Would just pick his shots so well.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: He was deadly accurate, right, he wouldn't throw things unless
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: they were gonna land. And now he's been out for
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: five and hour half years. So the question is does
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: he still have that? If you haven't been cultivating it,
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: if you haven't been training it, if you haven't been
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: honing that skill, do you have it? Tim Duncan, fifteen
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: years of that, more than that, more than fifteen years,
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: but just fifteen and fifteen like you're saying, but that economy.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Emotion is important in every sport.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Showing peace out, Gordichiza.
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