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151. [West Virginia] Kathy Goble · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: When segregation was a law. One mysterious black club owner
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  Speaker 1: Charlie Fitzgerald had his own rules segregation in the day immigration.
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  Speaker 2: Heyone, welcome to Bless this Mess and the tru Trump Podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Hey?
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  Speaker 2: All right, we are back this week and we are
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  Speaker 2: going to West Virginia. We haven't been there in a
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  Speaker 2: very long time. I don't think so. It's a small state,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, is it. It does have those wild and
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  Speaker 2: wonderful wides of West Virginia. They seem to have a
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  Speaker 2: lot of crime all on.
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  Speaker 3: Their own Boone County.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, this was not in Boone County anyways. Yes, we
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  Speaker 2: are going to West Virginia. We do we have anything
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  Speaker 2: to updates?
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  Speaker 3: Do we?
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  Speaker 2: I got mad at the provider and quit. That was
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  Speaker 2: the thing this week.
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  Speaker 3: So we got to find a new people.
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  Speaker 2: We got to find a pediatrician to begin with, because
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  Speaker 2: they weren't pediatricians. They had some shady billing practices going on,
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  Speaker 2: and I got fed up with it.
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  Speaker 3: So little double dipping, yeah, a.
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  Speaker 2: Little double dipping. So I got sick of their crap
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  Speaker 2: and I we quit the provider. We called a provider
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  Speaker 2: here because around here where we live, it's like a
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  Speaker 2: medical wasteland. There's just and I know I'm being dramatic
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  Speaker 2: about that. Okay, we have doctors in hospitals and things.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm saying, yes, what I'm saying is a lot
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  Speaker 2: of practices around here. There's not enough doctors that want
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  Speaker 2: to live out here. So the doctors live in a
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  Speaker 2: town they want to live in, and they have nurse
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  Speaker 2: practitioners run the practice. I'm not saying there's anything wrong
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  Speaker 2: with nurse practitioners, So don't come at me, because.
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  Speaker 3: Most of the time this is a billing issue. This.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we like the provider. She's not a doctor. They
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  Speaker 2: call them providers because she's a nurse practitioner. But this
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  Speaker 2: office has been doing some sketchy stuff with billing. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not the only person that's had issues with it. I'm
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  Speaker 2: in the mom's Facebook group and it's a common issue.
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  Speaker 2: I'd already paid for one time that they messed up.
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  Speaker 2: Now we're added again with them just adding extra stuff
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  Speaker 2: onto a visit that I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Not sure a wellness check. Yes, And they were like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we can build the insurance company double and then we
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  Speaker 3: can triple. Actually we can tell the people we did something,
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  Speaker 3: so we get to build them for a visit visit.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So you know how you get your I have
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  Speaker 2: three children. You know how you get your wellness visit
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  Speaker 2: and it's usually covered. It's covered by insurance because it's preventative,
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  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, no copay or anything, because it's their
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  Speaker 2: typical you know, when they're babies, it's like two weeks,
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  Speaker 2: one month, two month, three months, six months, blah blah
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  Speaker 2: all the way up. And then now our kid, like
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  Speaker 2: the one that the issue is with is the three
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  Speaker 2: year old. So he went to his three year visit. Well,
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  Speaker 2: he has a peanut allergy. So she had to call
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  Speaker 2: on a referral to a allergies penut allergy. Yes, we're
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  Speaker 2: testing him to see how allergic to peanuts he is.
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  Speaker 2: If he's still allergic, so she had to call on
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  Speaker 2: a referral. So they charged us the wellness visit for
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty dollars, which the insurance covered. Then
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  Speaker 2: they turned around and charged us for a focused visit
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  Speaker 2: because she had to call on the referral, and charged
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  Speaker 2: the insurance another one hundred dollars and charged us forty dollars.
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  Speaker 2: And then they charged us another ocular thing where they
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  Speaker 2: didn't do anything to him that I mean, maybe looked
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  Speaker 2: at his eyes, but they charged us an.
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  Speaker 3: Ocular fee another forty.
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  Speaker 2: Dollars, which the insurance I don't know how much they
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  Speaker 2: charged in but they charged just forty dollars. So what
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  Speaker 2: should have been a covered visit now was eighty dollars.
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  Speaker 2: And I understand eighty dollars.
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  Speaker 3: Is there the three charges to the insurance company, yes,
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  Speaker 3: two to us. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: For us, it was eighty dollars. For the insurance they
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  Speaker 2: charged like four hundred dollars or something like.
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  Speaker 3: That, and then gave us two copeys.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and gave us two copays to go with it.
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  Speaker 2: And I had all my times of bringing children to
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  Speaker 2: doctor's visits, I've never seen such a thing. So I
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  Speaker 2: called them up to try to I'm like, oh, this
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  Speaker 2: is a mistake, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, no, it a mistake they had, she.
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  Speaker 2: Had to put in the referral. So therefore you have
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  Speaker 2: to be charged a focused visit as opposed to just
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  Speaker 2: a wellness visit because that's not covered in wellness. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: what the fuck? I would never call in a separate
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  Speaker 2: appointment like they were charging. It's like you brought him
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  Speaker 2: in there on a separate instance where he was sick
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  Speaker 2: or something, you know, and they had to do like
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  Speaker 2: look at him like that's when you get you know,
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  Speaker 2: you pay your cope because it's an extra visit. Anyways,
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  Speaker 2: maybe there's someone out there in medical billings and be like,
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  Speaker 2: you guys are so dumb. Yes, that's how it works.
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  Speaker 2: But I've at our other pediatrician in Louisiana. That's not
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  Speaker 2: how it was. It wasn't even at this one last year.
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  Speaker 3: This might be something new. I think I think something
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  Speaker 3: happened because there's been a shift. One place bought the
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  Speaker 3: other place or closed down and shifted all their employees
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  Speaker 3: to this one. And now it's like getting on easy
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  Speaker 3: Jet or front tear or something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're paying per we're paying for oxygen.
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  Speaker 3: Would you lack a water? Oxygen? Masks will be extrink
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  Speaker 3: in the evenom of the emergency.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know what happened, but even just
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  Speaker 2: but last year though, they have problems with their whoever
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  Speaker 2: does their insurance coding because they weren't. I had to
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  Speaker 2: pay two hundred and fifty dollars for that test that
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  Speaker 2: should have been covered. It was just a basic is
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  Speaker 2: it FLU, is it COVID? Is it whatever? Like the
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  Speaker 2: insurance pays for those things, yes, and they and I
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  Speaker 2: called the insurance and they said, oh, they're billing it wrong.
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  Speaker 2: The entrance like, we can't tell you how to code it,
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  Speaker 2: but they're not coding this stuff properly. And so we
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  Speaker 2: went back and forth and finally I just bit the
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  Speaker 2: bullet and paid it. But I'm not going to keep
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  Speaker 2: doing this where so I told them, thank you, We'll
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  Speaker 2: be leaving your practice and finding someplace else. Problem being
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  Speaker 2: is in this town because doctors are so few and
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  Speaker 2: far between. To get to an office that has an
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  Speaker 2: actual pediatrician, like a doctor pediatrician that works in the office,
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  Speaker 2: you have to pay these yearly fees.
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  Speaker 3: Now around this town two dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, depending on how many kids you have, it can
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  Speaker 2: be up to two hundred and forty dollars a year,
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  Speaker 2: some of them a one hundred and fifty dollars a year.
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  Speaker 2: If you have one kid, it's like one hundred dollars
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  Speaker 2: a year. You're paying these fees and it's only at
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  Speaker 2: the places that have actual like doctors, so it's a
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  Speaker 2: it's a racket out here, okay, guys.
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  Speaker 3: Or you could drive to love It.
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  Speaker 2: We could Plubbic which is an hour and away.
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  Speaker 3: So now you got gas money, so you just pay
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  Speaker 3: the fee here or are the gas money to drive to
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  Speaker 3: love It?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we do have a hybrid, so I think. But
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  Speaker 2: the time it would take to drive to Lubbock back
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  Speaker 2: and forth, I don't know. It's some sketchy shit out here, guys.
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  Speaker 2: We got to get out here. So yes, that's enough
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 3: So our venmo is that's enough.
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  Speaker 2: Of our nonsense for Oh well, that's the other thing.
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  Speaker 2: We couldn't find a speech that he's the three year
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  Speaker 2: olds in speech therapy because he's got a tongue tie,
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  Speaker 2: and we couldn't find there the an in network provider.
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  Speaker 2: So we pay out of pocket for all of this
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  Speaker 2: and have to wait for the insurance to try to
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  Speaker 2: reimburse some of it at a lower rate because there's
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  Speaker 2: no there is an in network provider, but I believe
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  Speaker 2: the waitlist are very long, so you have to kind
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  Speaker 2: of there's there's very few speech therapists in this town,
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  Speaker 2: so you have I think there's only two clinics, so
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  Speaker 2: you got to just kind of get in if you
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  Speaker 2: can get in. So we had to take I had
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  Speaker 2: to pay the two hundred dollars evaluation fee. I was
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  Speaker 2: at first. I was like, no, I'll look for a
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  Speaker 2: place with it that's in a network or because they
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  Speaker 2: don't even deal with insurance. No, because it's.
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  Speaker 3: Too we got to get our bill from them, and
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  Speaker 3: they don't even give the insurance company our bill.
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  Speaker 2: So in Louisiana he had to go for physical therapy.
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  Speaker 2: He's just he's just a little guy. Yes, he's had
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  Speaker 2: a hard time in Louisiana and he had to go
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  Speaker 2: to physical therapy. But there was like tons of places
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  Speaker 2: in Lafayette that process the insurance like normal. So we
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  Speaker 2: just paid our copay every time we went out here.
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  Speaker 2: It's like we don't have to fuck around with insurance
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  Speaker 2: because we're the only people in town. So you guys
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  Speaker 2: pay out a pocket and do with it yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Or learn how to do it on the internet and
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  Speaker 3: show it yourself at home.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, good luck with miss Rachel. So anyways, that's what
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  Speaker 2: we're dealing with out here. So I just want to
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  Speaker 2: move soon. Hopefully, hopefully the next year and a half
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  Speaker 2: we can get out here. But all right, we spent
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  Speaker 2: a lot of time talking about our medical.
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  Speaker 3: Insurance issues.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody has been on a taco bell can.
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  Speaker 2: Some oney's been on a taco bell kick so and
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  Speaker 2: We watch Mister and Missus Murder on Hulu. Mm hmm,
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  Speaker 2: pretty interesting documentary.
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  Speaker 3: Appairly fairly yes, I think it could suspect.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think, well yeah, that's just the crime though,
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  Speaker 2: but I think they could have shortened it didn't need
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  Speaker 2: to be three episodes or four episodes. I think it
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  Speaker 2: could have done it in three. But it was pretty good,
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  Speaker 2: So if you want to check it out, that's what
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  Speaker 2: we'll be kind of discussing, and then we're also going
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  Speaker 2: to be talking about what's wrong with this world? We
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  Speaker 2: got those Devil's Den Arkansas, the teacher who murdered the parents,
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  Speaker 2: and then we have the situation in Tennessee where the
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  Speaker 2: baby was left on the lawn. Nobody's like, these parents
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  Speaker 2: are terrible, and then come to find out the parents
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  Speaker 2: have been murdered, the grandmother and the uncle. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna be just just chit chatting about all those
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  Speaker 2: things going on in the world.
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  Speaker 3: I got them bolo out on the one dude, they
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  Speaker 3: got the other guy, I caught him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the teacher, Yes, the teacher, and then the other one.
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  Speaker 2: There's he's still on the loose as of right now
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  Speaker 2: that I know of, And today is Friday. So oh,
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  Speaker 2: by the time you guys listen this, he might hopefully
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  Speaker 2: he's got so anyways, all right, well rate review, subscribe
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  Speaker 2: go ahead and get into this week's episode out of
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  Speaker 2: West Virginia. All right, So for this case, I watch
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  Speaker 2: swamp murders. I'm really liking Swamp.
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  Speaker 3: Murders are pretty a couple going there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some crazy cases, but I just thought it
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  Speaker 2: was so funny whenever the narrator opened this episode, he said,
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  Speaker 2: mm hmmm, because it's in Charleston, West Virginia, not Charleston,
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  Speaker 2: South Carolina. So he said, so the landscape of Charleston
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  Speaker 2: features deep rooted natural beauty as well as industrial sludge.
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  Speaker 3: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently there's a toxic river floating through, like going running
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  Speaker 2: right through the middle of West Virginia from all these
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  Speaker 2: industrial class One time we'll currently have I think, and
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  Speaker 2: it just dumps into this river. I guess I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: All right. So.
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  Speaker 2: Sheila Kathy Goebel nay Long was born December sixteenth, nineteen
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  Speaker 2: forty seven in West Virginia. She would go on to
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  Speaker 2: marry twice and have two sons, Jason and Paul her
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  Speaker 2: second ariage Ariage. Her second marriage would end, but they
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  Speaker 2: would remain close. In two thousand, Kathy began working at
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  Speaker 2: Kelly's Men's shop in Charleston, West Virginia. Now, Kelly's was
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  Speaker 2: the go to place in town if you needed a
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  Speaker 2: good suit. If you were a businessman or go into
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  Speaker 2: a wedding or a senator or something like that, you
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  Speaker 2: went to Kelly's.
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  Speaker 3: No men's warehouse, huh No, you.
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  Speaker 2: Got fitted for a suit, custom fitted well, Kathy loved
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  Speaker 2: working at the men's shop, and she really just enjoyed
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  Speaker 2: helping locals find a suit that fits them perfectly, and
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  Speaker 2: she was kind of the go to one at the
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  Speaker 2: store for it. She said, she just knew what looked
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  Speaker 2: right on everybody that came in. In two thousand and eight,
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  Speaker 2: she began dating a man by the name of Fred Ferrell,
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  Speaker 2: and she's just living her best life living at this
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  Speaker 2: or working at her the men's shop she loved and
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  Speaker 2: everyone there, they said, was kind of like family. They'd
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  Speaker 2: all worked there for decades, so she just was really
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  Speaker 2: enjoying her life.
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  Speaker 3: On April twenty six, twenty ten, Kathy failed to report
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  Speaker 3: for her shift at Kelly's Men's shop. The manager called
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  Speaker 3: her a couple of times and just checking in because
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  Speaker 3: this is very abnormal for Kathy to not show up
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  Speaker 3: for work, not call nothing. She had worked there for
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  Speaker 3: over a decade and always been reliable and on time.
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  Speaker 3: Still unable to reach Kathy, the manager calls her oldest son, Jason,
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  Speaker 3: to see if he knows where she's at. Jason was
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  Speaker 3: trying to get a hold of her, so he headed
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  Speaker 3: over to her house. He tries to call his mom
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  Speaker 3: but she's not calling him back, so he calls. Kathy's boyfriend,
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  Speaker 3: Fred tells Jason that the last time he heard from
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  Speaker 3: Kathy was on Saturday. She had come hover to clean
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  Speaker 3: his apartment and had left behind her medicine and her phone.
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  Speaker 2: That was nice of her to clean the apartment.
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  Speaker 3: I know, right for a boyfriend. I know she hadn't
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  Speaker 3: even live there. Fred had not seen her because he
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  Speaker 3: had been out of town, but he was planning to
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  Speaker 3: see her whenever he got back. However, he was unable
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  Speaker 3: to get hold of her because she had left her
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  Speaker 3: phone at his apartment while she had been cleaning it.
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  Speaker 3: Jason decides it's time to call the police because this
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  Speaker 3: is just not like his mother.
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  Speaker 2: Well. Detectives arrive on the scene and begin asking Jason questions.
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  Speaker 2: They initially don't see any signs of force entry or
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  Speaker 2: anything amiss in the home. Jason tells police that the
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  Speaker 2: last time that she was seen was when she left
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  Speaker 2: work that Saturday, April twenty fourth. One thing that was
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  Speaker 2: missing at the home was Kathy's car. They did not
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  Speaker 2: know where it was located since her work was the
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  Speaker 2: last place that she was seeing. Detectives head up to
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  Speaker 2: the department store to speak to her manager and coworkers. Now,
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  Speaker 2: when speaking to the manager, she said that everything was
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  Speaker 2: normal that Saturday. Nothing strange happened. Kathy wasn't acting strange
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  Speaker 2: or anything like that. It was just your normal, typical day.
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  Speaker 2: She never had any issues with customers because they're like,
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  Speaker 2: would someone get angrier because she didn't fit him in
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  Speaker 2: that suit?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: You know, like something going on? You know, she got
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  Speaker 2: the wrong lapel, could happen the pocket square was off?
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  Speaker 2: Like what could have happened?
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  Speaker 3: Failed to give him the pre set of collars stays
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  Speaker 3: that they were supposed to get.
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  Speaker 2: Was that a thing?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you went real specific there, so I just thought.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you knew you need some collars stays?
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  Speaker 2: All right, So they speak to Charles March, who has
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  Speaker 2: worked at the store for thirty years as a shoe salesman.
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  Speaker 2: He tells police that he walked He was the one
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  Speaker 2: that walked Kathy to her car around five pm that
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  Speaker 2: day when the store closed. Now, he did not notice
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  Speaker 2: her acting different and she didn't mention any like I said,
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  Speaker 2: strange activity that day. They were able to confirm that
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  Speaker 2: Kathy did go home after work at some point because
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  Speaker 2: they found the clothes that she was wearing that day
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  Speaker 2: to work. They were found in her home. They believed
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  Speaker 2: that she changed clothes and then headed to her boyfriend's
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: house to clean his apartment. Very nice of her, it was.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: Police head over to the boyfriend's apartment and he tells
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: police that the last time he saw Kathy was about
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: two weeks ago because he had been on a fishing trip.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: He tells police that when he arrived home on Sunday,
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: that's when he found her cell phone, spare car keys,
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: and her blood pressure meds on the counter. When they
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: asked him why he didn't find the suspicious or odd,
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: he said, it's because Kathy was forgetful and seems like
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: something that she would do.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Now. I thought about this because this was twenty ten
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: and Kathy was sixty two years old, and I'm thinking
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: about how my mom was at that age. They're not like,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: it's not like the cell phones today, you know, especially
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: the older, older people and stuff like that, especially back
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: in twenty ten. I mean there's older people now that
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: would never forget their cell phone or something because they're
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: very attached to it because they're on the social media
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: and stuff.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: But in twenty ten, you didn't have a social media.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't have it. It wasn't all this activity
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: on your phone. So it could easily especially if you're older,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: and all you used it was to make phone calls
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: and send a text message.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Back in twenty ten, these these people probably didn't
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: have an iPhone with browsers and all that.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so to leave your phone really wasn't big bill.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: They weren't. They didn't need to be jug all the time.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Left her jitterbug there?
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Did they even have a jitterbug back then?
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know anyways, but I can see why today
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: it seems like, oh my god, they left their cell phone.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: There's no way they would. You would like contact someone
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: and be like, oh my god, you left your cell phone.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: They would have know immediately.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: But back then, no, I've left my back early on,
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: I left my cell phone behind a lot of times.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just wasn't like it is today where you're constantly.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Min Nokia whatever with the well.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I had the motor motor, motor, motor, rotal razor.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Oh you don't forget her. That was that was That
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: was how my mine was pink. I had to sliver.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: I like that one better than the razor.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had the pink razor and that was a
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: hot commodity when I got that. That flip phone, I
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: think I still have it. Probably I probably let the
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: kids play with it.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Getting back from our little d tour. Police are not
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: sure what to make of the boyfriend, because it is
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: odd that Kathy left these items at his apartment and
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: that now she's missing. Police look around the apartment and
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: they do notice that it is extremely tidy and very clean,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: and nothing is out of order, but there are no
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: signs of any type of confrontation.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Well, but also, if let's be honest, if the boyfriend
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: did something, why would he just clean the entire apartment
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: in everything that make it look like she was never there,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: and then leave her medication, her phone, and her keys.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Something like that and then say she came mind claimed it. Yeah,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, like I didn't clean it, she claimed it. No.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying, why would you not cover up your
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: all your tracks if you have no trace that she
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: was there except for these three items she left? You
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: just throw them away?
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Yes, you take them down to the dump or someone with.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Where they got all the other stuff. Yeah, where all
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: the other stuff is of hers, Like, so, yeah, it
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: seems suspicious, but then actually it makes him not look
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: suspicious because you would have gotten rid of these things.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, they're not like keepsakes or momentos. I wouldn't think
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: of your your starting time as a serial killer.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: No, and leaving them on the counter and telling the
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: son that they were there. There they are, do you
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: remember where you rants to?
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: No?
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, but police, although all this stuff seems suspicious but
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: not suspicious, they're wondering, you know, if there was actually
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: a crime there that was possibly cleaned up.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: As their question they got to ask all the questions.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: You gotta do it. I mean, by percentage wise, it's.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Likely the partner the partner.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: As they questioned the boyfriend, they do notice that he
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: is a bit twitchy, and they said he had dodgy.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Out No, I said he had dodgy eyes. They said
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: he was maybe they said he had darty eyes, like
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: his eyes were darting around.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: While please are suspicious, they don't have any real reason
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: to hold him. When speaking to Jason the Sun, he
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: did say that there had been some jealousy on Fred's part.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: He did not like how much time that Kathy spent
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: with her friends. She was very social and Fred was not.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: He just wanted to be home and like hang out
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: with Kathy and then fishing trips.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Yes, now there's no evidence against him, so they let
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: him go and they continue to investigate this case.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Police question friends and neighbors, and no one had seen
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: her since Saturday at work. The neighbors also said that
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: they hadn't seen any activity around the house in the
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: last couple of days. Kathy was a sixty year old
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: to sixty two year old. What did I say, sixty
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: year old?
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: I didn't know what you were trying to say.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: It was a sixty two year old woman. So you
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: have to look at the possibility that she might have
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: just left on her own accord and that she's going
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: to return. Maybe she forgot to tell somebody she was
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: going on a trip, you know. I don't know, but
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: that is an option.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: She had an excellent relationship with her children, especially her
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: son Jason, and he doesn't believe that his mom would
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: just leave without speaking to him. It just wasn't in
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: her nature. Other friends and family agreed that she is
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: not the type to just disappear like this on her own.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: So Kathy had a favorite child, well, he.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Was the one that decided to be in the show.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: So m police are looking into the boyfriend. As we said,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: they get while they're looking into the boyfriend, they get
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: a call that Kathy's car is found abandon on the
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: side of the road on Highway sixty four, which is
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: about fifteen miles outside of Charleston. You know where that's at, right.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: K Yes, it's near Scary Creek Exit.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Scary Creek.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: This is not a made up thing. This is like,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: what the fuck's going on in West Virginia Scary Creek Exit.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is made to order right here. When
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: they arrive, when they arrive on this saying they noticed
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: that a white towel is hanging out of the driver's
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: side window. This usually indicates some sort of God, I
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: am just haven't had too much whiskey today. Yeah, a
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: white towel in the window usually indicates some sort of
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: car trouble and they're trying to show other cars they're
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: on the side of the road due.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: To that or like a police like a police pull over.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I would guess, I guess that's what that's for. I
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: think I've heard that before.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I have never heard it.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I feel like I've heard that before.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: It feels like something I should know for.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Like you know, so it's on a band card. They
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: just put the thing and then the police could drive
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: by and they say, oh, it's just they're having car
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: trouble and they'll be back to get it.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: It seems like something I need to be aware of
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: since our vehicle doesn't have a spare tire. Yes, and
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: we may be needing to do this at some point. Yes,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: when we're left abandoned on the side of the.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Well, we're fucked. If we're lost on the side the road,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: if we're in our van, because that means we have
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: three small children, there ain't no hoof in it anywhere. No,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: we will be living in that van.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Police begin inspecting the vehicle and they find no blood
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: or signs of struggle inside the vehicle. They are also
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: looking for any signs that Kathy had been there, but
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: they can't find her purse. They did find a receipt
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: that was dated April twenty fourth at eight twelve pm,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: which would indicate that she was still alive at that
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: point in time. The receipt was for kitchen type items,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: but they didn't see any in the vehicle, so they're
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: thinking she must have brought them to Fred's house. When
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: looking at the store receipt, they were able to pull
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: video surveillance and they did find that she was alone.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Is that Walmart and Walmart's always f video surveillance they
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, Walmart should be credited for solving quite a
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: few crimes.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: They should be. I mean, they got all those cameras
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: in the vesty build They'll catch you coming and going.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: They'll know when you can and they know they know
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: what's going on in their parking lots, in their buildings,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: who's coming and going, what they're shopping for. They know
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: it all.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: You stealing what? But it shows that she left around
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: eight thirty pm that night. They processed the vehicle for
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: any signs that if anybody else had been in the vehicle,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: but they didn't find any DNA or any hair fibers
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: that were not belonging to Kathy. They also looked at
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: the vehicle and it started up just fine, it had gas,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: So they're believing that it wasn't actually car trouble and
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: that her car was abandoned there.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was just whoever abandoned it put the
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: towel in the window to not maybe to show passerbys like, hey,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: just keep going. We like to throw everybody off to
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: get by some time.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: It is now some time, so that someone he wouldn't
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: nobody would stop an hour later and be like, hey,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: there's an abandoned car. Yeah, the vehicle wasn't a wooded area,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: so they searched all around the woods to see if
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: they could find any signs of Kathy, if she had
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: wandered off into the woods or anything crazy like that, or.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Been drug off babe. They were thinking. Initially they were like, okay,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: what if she did pull over for some reason, you
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: know the cars starting now there's gas. But what if
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: there was another reason Someone approached her and then abducted
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: her into she.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Saw a toddler on the side of the road and
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: then was duct like that girl in Alabama.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, that was Georgia. Was it Alabama?
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Thought Alabama?
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that story about the girl that said
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: that she sold the toddler on the side of the road.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: So I grabbed all my snacks and then I followed him,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: and then I was adducted.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, then she was. And then it turned out and
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: then she just showed up at the house like a
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: couple of days later and come to find out it
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: was all just made up. She made up the whole
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: thing for acade and then she got like charge and
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: everything like that. Yeah, that was I remember we shared
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the story. We're like, help find this lady. She was
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: save a toddler.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Anyway, police were looking for Kathy there on the side
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: of the road in the woods. I couldn't find anything,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: no drag marks, no footprints, nothing that went into Kate.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Kathy went into the woods on her own accord or
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: was taken there against her will.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: A police were able to pull phone records for Fred
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: and Kathy. Now, the phone records show that Fred was
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: away that Saturday night, so he would not have been
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: involved in Kathy's disappearance. They was pinging where yet wherever
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: he said he was actually there. Now, when looking at
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Kathy's phone records, they found that she contacted two people
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: that evening. One was a friend and the other was
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: her ex husband's.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Oh there's the ex husband.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Yes. They go to speak to the ex husband and
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: he tells them that him and Kathy are close. Now
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: they had been divorced for twenty years, but he had
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: had a stroke and Kathy would come over and help
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: him when she could. He did tell police that Kathy
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: did come over that Saturday prior to going to the
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: store to help him out with a few tasks, because
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: she'd come over and make sure he had his medicine,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: helping with any bills he had to pay things like that.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he said he was he had short term memory
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: issues due to the stroke, so he would.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Forget things now. Her ex husband said that he was
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: home all weekend, and while they wouldn't be able to
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: confirm his out by, police didn't think just like looking
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: at him physically because he'd had the you know, the
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: damage for the injuries from the stroke, that he would
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: really be able to harm Kathy, overpower her and then
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: dispose of her in some way. Yeah, So they didn't
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: think it was. While they couldn't confirm his alibi, they
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: just didn't think that it was.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: They did speak to the friend that she spoke to
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: that night, and the friend said that she was speaking
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: to Kathy as she was headed to Fred's apartment and
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: cash Cashi Casha. Kathy said that she had to go,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: and she said that what the friend said was interesting
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: to police because this was kind of like, Okay, someone
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: was with her. She said, we're headed into the apartment.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: We are we So police now know that somebody was
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: with Kathy when she went into that apartment, and that
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: was most likely the last person to ever see her alive.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: But the friend didn't She didn't say who it was.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: She didn't hear anything in the background. All she has
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: is we're headed into the apartment. So that's when she
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: assumed she was with somebody.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: As word got out in the community that Kathy was missing,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: they organized a search parties and tried to get her
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: picture out.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: There the community. Still you miss the word community, I said.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: As word got out to the community that Kathy was missing,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: they organized a search.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't hear that, But okay, go on, you should
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: just do the script.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: If you wouldn't be playing on your phone.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I'm not playing on my phone. I'm reading the case
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: from my phone, are you. Yes, well, well you're playing
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: on your pad. So your iPad. We call them pads
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: because that's what the kids go for the kids, it's
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: actually an iPad. No, STU reads off his iPad and
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I read off my phone, which is absolutely insane because
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: this just started the list like month, I would say,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: But up until then we printed on like old people put.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Old people printing out in our map quest directions.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Yes, we used to print two copies in the cans
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: and they have to shuffle the papers, papers round, front
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: and back, and then like Stu would be like, here
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: hear me, because I didn't want to. I didn't want
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: to like spend too much on paper, you know, like
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: waste paper, and so he'd be like, hey, handy, hand
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: me your other sheets so.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I can, I can.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I don't have to flip it over everybody here. So yeah,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: up until like a month ago, we were still reading
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: off paper, like we're freaking old people. Yeah, like pathy
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: leaving her phone and not caring.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: We're like old people that just discovered some new technology. Yeah,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: it's it's been for twenty years.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: That's where we're at.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: We're professional podcasters people.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Yes, we're a mom and pop organization.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: That's we're a mom and pop literally mom, he's pop.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Wow. Can we get back to this? Yes, the community
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: try to get her picture out there because she was
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: well known in the community. Karen and everybody loved her.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: You're trying to sell many times, it's a community.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, drink. Police were also looking into any reasons why
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Kathy might want to just run away. Maybe they're her
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: partner had talked her into doing a podcast and she
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: was tired of doing it. She was like, I'm out.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Maybe she all of a sudden had three children under
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: four and just or four and under was just like,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: what the fuck do we do?
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know, good, we just they're great. We left them.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: There were no signs of any financial troubles, family troubles,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: or any other thing that would make them think that
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: she would want to run away from her life. She
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: seemed to have a very happy life as a matter
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: of fact, and a job that she loved, and while
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: some issues with her boyfriend occasionally, like the jealousy stuff,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: there was nothing really major. There was no domestic violence
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: or anything that they could determine that would be any
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: complications in her life. So she basically just had up and.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: He didn't seem possessive where she'd had to in a way,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I feel like she could just break up with them.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, I think he was just more annoying that she
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: was a.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Social butterfly and he wanted to spend more time with
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: her on her own yes.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: But as police continue to look into Kathy's life, they
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: did discover that she was having an affair. I'm crazy.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Nobody saw that one coming, did you. We didn't.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: I did not either. Kathy was in a relationship with
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Fred and the doctor was married, so they would meet
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: up on occasion when they could get away with it.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: But they had just done a huge trip together. What
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: was I going to say, any kitty, Kitty, I guess yeah.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Kathy told her son and friends that she was going
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: to San Francisco to visit an old friend from high school. However,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: she was actually going to San Francisco with the good doctor.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they were going like this was a trip,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: you know, and she lied.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: All these romantic trip. They interviewed the doctor and he
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: tells him the last time he saw Kathy was Saturday
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: at lunchtime. They asked if he had an alibi for
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: that Saturday night and he says, yes, he was with
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: his wife and she can verify this, but please don't
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: let her know he's having an affairs.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: He's like, can you be discreet as to why you
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: need to know? No, sorry, sir, you're on swamp murders
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: now and your wife definitely knows.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: She's definitely gonna know. The wife was able to alibi
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: the doctor, so they ruled him out as a suspect.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: We do not have any update on whether the doctor
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: is still married. They didn't give us his name so well.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: He was an older gentleman too, so I don't know
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: if she just ran out the clock staying married to him,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: or she's like, effitt, let's just make the last years
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: of this a divorce and I'm going to get half.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he needed to make her happy because he was
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: older and she'd been with him all that time, and
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: he was a doctor. She could have just taken him
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: for half and been like peace out.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know if she wanted upset her life
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: at that point in her life, in her golden years.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: We don't know. She gotta been twenty five, Stewart.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Know my own well, then she wasn't a title to
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: helf then if that was the new wife.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: If there was no prenup, this is true.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Finding out that Kathy had such a big secret, police
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: are now stouting to think the possibility that she had
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: run away on her own accord. With no new leads
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: or clues, they are to stand still with the case
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: in April.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: In April of twenty twelve, almost two years to the
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: date of Kathy's disappearance, police receive a surprising call. The
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: coal comes from Charles March's son. I remember Charles March
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: is the shoe salesman that worked at the store for
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: thirty years with Kesy.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: He was the one that walked her out to her car.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: What a nice elder gentleman.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: So he said that he was out of his dad's
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: property helping him cleanp his yard after they had had
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: a bunch of rain, and he found a sink hole
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: and he kind of questioned his dad about walk. You know,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: he's walking towards it, and the dad freaks out. Charles
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: freaks out. He's like, stay away from that and everything
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: that you don't need to be anywhere. Well, the son
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: just kept looking at it and was just really questioning
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: what is going on. So he goes out there and
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: there were two There were two things that either either
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: he started digging or one. One news article said that
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: a bone started like protroding. Yes, because it was all
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: that rain and everything, and so that's when he started
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: digging when he saw the bone. And then he finds
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: another bone, and then another bone. He's like, okay, it's
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: probably animal remains, let's not jump to com glass.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: As he keeps digging, he is horrified to find a
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: plastic bag, and inside that plastic bag he can see
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: like human hair coming, you know, like through the the
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: plastic well. He immediately calls police. He's like, fuck you, dad,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: you're fucking crazy.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: I'm taking all your stuff.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Police arrive on the scene and they're already you know,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: they're like, this is probably Kathy Goebel. Now, as they
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: are digging up the body, they noticed that he had
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: wrapped the head in foil and plastic crap, and this
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: was supposedly to avoid dogs digging up her remains, So
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: they dig up everything else. They send it off for
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: DNA testing, and they were able to confirm it was Kathy.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Police had to the.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Aren't you guys all shocked that Charles did it? Quite shocking.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm still trying to come to grip so
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: that Kathy was saying two minutes once.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, Kathy's like affairs. This guy that was completely unsuspecting
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: at the shoet or at the men's shop, was I
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: mean just insane.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Police had to the shop to talk to Charles. They
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: want to bring him in support some more questions. They
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: do not want to alert him at this time, however,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: of what they have discovered at his home. So Charles
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: starts answering their questions, saying that he doesn't know what
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: happened to Kathy. But he does finally trip up when
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: he says, the last time I saw her alive was
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: at the store. Now, this is another red flag for
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: police because no one has ever said that Kathy was
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: no longer alive.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's still missing at this point, they don't even know.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: They haven't even come out and say this is a
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: recovery effort or anything like that. This is still just
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: where did Kathy go missing? Person?
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Now, why would you say the last time you saw
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: her alive? What makes you think that she is no
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: longer that way, mister March. This is when police confront
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: him with the evidence that they found at his home
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: and they ask him to tell them the truth. He
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: says that after work on that Saturday, Kathy asked him
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: to meet her at a lodge outside of Charleston. They
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: then drove and dropped off Kathy's car on the side
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: of the road and she rode back with Charles. Charles
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: said that they then went back to his house, and
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: this is where she supposedly asked him to kill her.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Can you believe that?
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: I cannot believe that you cannot.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Charles says that she said she would pay him five
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars to do it. Five hundred dollars a wopping five.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, he does give me some al Bundy vibes
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: working at the shoe store, so five hundred dollars might
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: have been a lot of money.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, is true.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Charles says that Kathy asked him to tie her up
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: to the bed so that she can't change her mind,
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: and then she told him to strangle her. He said
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: he she kept saying do it, do it while he
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: was strangling her, which is if anyone knows while you're
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: being strangled, the one thing that you can do is
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: keep talking.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, as police were like this is one, they didn't
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: believe it anyways, But two, she can't keep telling you
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: to strangle her while you're strangling her if you're actually
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: strangling her.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: No. Even more disturbing, After he strangled her, he placed
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: a plastic bag over her head, supposedly to ensure that
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: she was in fact dead. He said the next day
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: he drug her body into the bathtub, took a saw
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: and cut her legs and her arms off, and then
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: he cut her head off.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: So my question is, STU, Okay, this is really this
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: is really disturbing that this person who I mean, we're
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: gonna learn later he doesn't really have a criminal history.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: This is like a pretty much a one off situation
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: that you are sawing a human being a part and
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: you did it for five hundred dollars. Like I was
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: thinking about the effort that this takes, like to do this.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: This is like that he would agree to this. This
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: is so weird. I mean, I know he did, I
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: know that's not what happened, but his story is so ridiculous.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: It is. But I mean, we saw some our y'all
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: need Jesus back, the New Jersey guys that killed the girl.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for four hundred dollars or something.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Well, they would split two hundred dollars because they you know,
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: they transferred as venmo or cash.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: This is true. This is true.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: So anyway, it's possible somebody could do something for five
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: But he didn't. This is all made up he didn't
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: actually do this, and this is just just disturbing.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Think it's bullshit.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think it's Bullshit's do everybody knows it's bullshit.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Well, police said that it was very disturbing how he
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: described this without any emotion and even calling Kathy a carcass.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, he said he had to move the carcass out
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: to the out to bury it. I mean, I.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Guess he's just trying to disconnect from the fact that
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: it was a human being in his own way. Well,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: but I know, maybe he didn't really even care that
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: it was a human being. He thought it was a carcass.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, maybe because they were saying the strangling
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: is such like an intimate way to kill somebody because
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: you just have to stare at them the whole time,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Like there's no, it's not a quick thing.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Turn your head and close your eyes while you do it,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: unless you really enjoyed it. Police searched his property and
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: found the saw that he used to dismember her. They
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: even found more bone fragments still left in the saw.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: They also found the blanket that he used to wrap
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: her body up in.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: What I think is crazy, that is, if he had
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: just buried her deeper or the sun hadn't seen it
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: or whatever. He just had this evidence. Like they never
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: even he was not on their at all, Like he
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: did not have any strange behavior. No one at the
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: at the men's shop thought he was weird, Like there
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: was nothing like, hey, you need to look at Charles weird.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Get a search warrant for charles property or something. Man,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: nothing going on there.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: He could have if it hadn't been that the bones
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: or whatever the sun had seen that he would have
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: gotten away with this completely and they would have never
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: known what happened to Kathy. It's just crazy that.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: He was that. Yeah, Charles was almost to the finish line,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: as you will find out.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's just crazy because he wasn't. It's very rare.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: You don't see someone be like, hey, you know, I
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: know you don't have anything on Charles, but he's fucking weird,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: so you should look into it.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Hey, you need to find some reason then get a
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: search warrant for that property.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: But no one, no one had anything to say. They
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: were all in shock when they found out about this.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Oh they all love Charles.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: So Charles was arrested for the mur murdery murder of
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Kathy Goebel. Now, while waiting for sentencing, he did attempt
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: to kill himself in prison by jumping off the second
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: level of the jail. Now, he didn't kill himself, but
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: he did break both his ankles, so he had to
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: be brought in with a wheelchair to his court proceedings.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: So he deserved that because that sounds painful. And he's
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: a dumb ass, and he thought he was going to
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: kill himself jumping off the second like you see the prisons,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: you know, like imagine the prisons and you see how
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: it's like tiered with the jail cells. That little jump
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: he thought he.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Was gonna especially if you want to do you gotta
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: go at least head if you even want a dumb as.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: He can't even kill himself, right, all right, So he's
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: being willed into the court room in his little wheelchair
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: and I lost my place. I'm sorry, So wait, I
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: skipped a paragraph. Okay, pretend I didn't say that, everybody,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Let's go back now, Charles will not admit to the
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: real reason why he did this. Please begin looking into
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: his path and found that he had a history of
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: stalking females, and they believed that Kathy was his latest obsession,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't. He didn't ever do anything act on
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: these things. He just was had a history of I
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: don't know if there was I'm guessing there were some
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: police records of him stalking females, but he never acted
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: upon anything.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I guess nobody else knew that he was a stalker
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: because nobody ever pointed to him.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: No, he must have not done this to anybody at
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: work or in his immediate circle, like Kathy was the
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: first one. Police believed that Charles was the person that
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: with her at Fred's apartment when she was talking on
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: the phone to her friend. He somehow convinced her to go.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Then he must have somehow convinced her to go back
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: to his place because there wasn't a struggle. But they
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: were also friends, so she'd worked there for ten years
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: with them, she wouldn't have thought anything of it. They
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: believed that he propositioned her for sex and she declined,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: and that's when he attacked her and murdered her.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just curious as to how he talked her
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: into going to the house.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Or well, they don't know because he just wouldn't tell
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: him anything like he wouldn't tell him. He's like, he
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: went to court with the thing that she told asked
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: him to kill her.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I mean there's yeah, there's all these plot holes,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: like if she.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: They don't know why the car ended up house, the.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Car ended up there, and how he got back to
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: the house without being seen, or if she parked it there,
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: or how it actually ended up there.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, the only thing is what if, Okay, I'm
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: gonna play Devil's advocates him, what if she did ask
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: him to kill her and she went and parked her
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: car on the side of the road and he took.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Her back to the house.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Back to the house, they could never explain the whole
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: car situation, And I looked in that there was no
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: explanation for a lot of this because they don't They
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: just don't know what happened.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: It's just, yeah, there was no uber that showed up
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: in twenty ten that take him back or a cab
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: and be like, yeah, I remember picking him up on
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: the side of the road.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Because all I could think was possibly, what if she
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: was he was ats with her and she did have
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: some sort of car trouble, but it wasn't I don't
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: know is there a temporary car.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Trouble, temporary insanity?
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know, no, but I'm saying temporary car trouble
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: like your cars doesn't work for just temporary and then
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: it starts working again. Can it get overheated and cool
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: down on its own?
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well maybe it overheated and then it cooled down,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: and by the time the police got there a couple
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: days later, it was ready to go. And maybe he
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: was following her, and he was following her from Fred's
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: house and to their to his house, and her car
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: broke down, and that's how she ended up in the
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: car with him too. Maybe he tampered with it so
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: it would break down. I don't know, because okay, yeah, anyways,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know they could. They never had any explanation
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: about the car. He just took a lot of the
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: secrets to We'll find out the great with him either that.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, hear me out.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: This is gonna be stupid. I can already tell no.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: This is probably how it happened.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: He called her said I'm having car trouble. She showed
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: up to help him out, and then he abducted her
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: and then drove her back to his place.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: But he was with her, but they believed he was
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: with her at Fred's apartment.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: They had two separate cars. They didn't drive to work together.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Oh oh, so he was at Fred's apartment and then
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: he said he had car trouble and he left.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: He called her on the cell phone.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: But he couldn't have called her on the cell phone
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: because she left her cell phone at Fred's apartment.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Wow, that's true, so true.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: So how did this happen? I don't know. I'm thinking
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: maybe her car overheated and he was following her back
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: from Fred's apartment and it was some fluke.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Thing, had something to disable her vehicle, and then he
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: repaired it after.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know what happened. It's rare, it's there's a
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: lot of questions here. All we know is that Charles
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: did try to kill Kathy. So he did try to
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: kill himself, like we said, he broke his ankles, and
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: he's willed into the court proceedings. Well, Charles would end
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: up taking a Kennedy plea, meaning he did not admit
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: to killing Kathy, but the state had too much evidence
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: against him for him to win. And this dude's like,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: I thought that was called as I'm doing this, Stew's
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: laying over there going. I thought that was an Alfred plea,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: and so right after I said, this is also known
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: as an Alfred plea, but in the state of West
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Virginia it's a Kennedy plea. Now, Charles was sentenced to
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: life in prison in January twenty thirteen, but he died
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: in prison of cancer in December twenty fourteen, taking his
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: the motive of why he killed Kathy and all his
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: secrets to his grave. We'll never know. But poor Kathy,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, she was living her best life. She was
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: sixty two and she was getting it from every such way,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: going on trips to San Francisco.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: She was just living it up, Yes she was, and
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: meeting all the men that came into the shop.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, who knows, she could have been seeing
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: some of them, just you know, really sewing some wild
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: oats in her older age. And fucking Charles. I find
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: that so disturbing that it's just some guy that she
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: worked with that had no indication that he would do this,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: so like solid her into pieces. That's insane. That's another level.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lottle ridiculous.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Anyways, all right, Stu. Do you have a y'all need Jesus.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, But I'm going to go back to you mocking
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: me about this Alfred plaything. Okay, you remember when we
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: were talking about we were talking about somebody having the
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: ray gun.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, shut up, Stewart.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: You want to tell her? Should I tell?
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I was telling Stu? I said, oh, I said, they
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: like to spend their money on like gadgets and stuff.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I said, we like to spend our money on trips.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: I said, but they like gadgets and things like that.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: And I said, remember whenever years ago, they were one
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: of the first ones who bought the rape. We were
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: talking about some people we know called the Reagan and
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: he's like, what's the Regan. I'm like the Regun. I'm like,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: we have one, I said, the Reagan. I said, when
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: they first came out, they were so expensive, like a
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars and everything. And he's like the Reagan and
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: he's like, you mean.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: That fara gun.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: I thought it was the Reagan, Like, but it's a
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: farah gun. Yeah, it's the thing that like beats into
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: your muscle. And when they came out years ago, they
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: were super expensive, like a thousand dollars like crazy expensive.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Nowadays you can get one like we have one. I
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: bought stew for Christmas and it was like one hundred
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: and twenty bucks or something. But I thought it was
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: the Reagan, probably because it's like raging Cajun. So I
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: guess I just saw that. But it's Thearah gun. Yeah,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: so that's why he's making fun of me about it.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, just because I jumped the gun on the Alford
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: play thing.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Well, you just don't let me finish. My thoughts to you,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: just don't let me finish.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of thoughts I probably shouldn't let you finished,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Like hey, why don't we do a pot?
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: No, hey, why don't we keep having children? Kitty and Kitty?
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: It was a rough I will say it was a rough.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Last night was rough. And I stepped on a tea
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: cup while holding the baby, and that was like my
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: final straw. STU had left to go get me my taco.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Bill and the children we were playing Pikaboo and stuff
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: like that, my son and then the baby, and then
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: my daughter was over there doing her stickers or whatever
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: at the table and coming to make bracelets on me.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: So they're all just all over me, and at first
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: it was fine, but then all of a sudden, I'm
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: just like overwhelmed, like, okay, I need you guys to
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: get off of me. I need some space, like mama
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: po Yeah, they're all just on me. I'm getting like
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: bracelets fitted on me that are made out of paper
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: and stickers. I got the baby in the three year
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: old playing Pikaboo on my lap, about to knock over
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: my drink and everything, and then I got up, I
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: picked up the baby. I'm walking over there and I
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: stepped on a goddamn tea cup los my shit. I'm like, okay,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: pick up everything in this house or.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: I'm throwing it all the way sounded like mad.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: And then we're like, you guys are getting in the
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: shower and get away from me. So it's just been
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: intent because the baby's been kind of needy. And then
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: they they're all in the they don't want to eat phase,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: like or even the baby who's our great eater, has
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: now taken a turn and has followed in the other's face.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: She's turned on us in a two poot.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: A two eight two your little sons of.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Guns anyway, so they don't want to eat. So then
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: it's like we I just sit on the couch and
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: have to feed them bites as they run by, just
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: to get food in them. Anyway, So that's where we're at.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: So it's been a it's been a taxing yes here lately.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: So I'm ready. And then the baby learn how to
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: climb on the furniture was the other problem?
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's the couch.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: She can crawl on the couch now, so you know,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: that's just like running around trying to like fling herself
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: off of it and us trying to stop hers. So
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: you can't even leave the room for one second now
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: because she's.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: Because you have a laundry basket.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, our whole couch is covered in laundry baskets, other toys,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: things to block her from getting up there. So all right,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: do you have your y'all need jeese? So I need
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: to kill more time.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: You didn't have to kill time to Okay, Well, I
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: just wanted to make the point about the the ray gun.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: But you carried that on a lot longer than I
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: thought you would.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: What did I talk? What did I say?
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know everything. Everybody knows everything about the arragun.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's a little preview of Shoot the Poo with
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Karen stew Right.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: There just a bunch of crap. This, uh what you
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: call it? The old y'all need Jesus was sent to
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: us by Britt came in in a message. A man
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: is accused of I guess there's no way around this
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: headline to tell you whether it is Florida or not Florida.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: Fox thirteen, Tampa Bay, Florida. Man accused of having met
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: taking key West Conk tour train for birthday joy ride
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  Speaker 3: on the fourth of July. Florida not Florida by Amari Krafft,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: Published July tenth, twenty twenty five. A Florida man celebrated
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: his birthday and the fourth of July in jail after
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: police say he stole a sight seeing train. Jonathan Winslow,
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: How old do you think he is?
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Winslow, Well.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: How do you think our subject is? This week?
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Forty seven fifty seven is accused of v was pretty
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: close driving off on a Conk tour train after he
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: asked an employee for a tour.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Winslow left his own car running behind the train depot
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: while he was driving the stolen train. According to officials.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: According to the Key West Police Department, seven year old
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: Jonathan Winslow stole the Conck train a fit uh well,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: conk train, the conk the conk like the Conckshell yeah,
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: they call it the conk train. He had He had
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: asked for a tour of the trolley and told the
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: employee that he used to work for the company years ago,
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: according to the restaurort. After deceiving the employee, police say,
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Winslow unexpectedly got on the trolley that was parked inside
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: the building and he drove off and.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Proving that he did work there at one point because
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: he knew how to drive the train.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it's not that difficult. Employees tracked down the
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: trolley and told officers that Winslow had picked up two
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: random passengers downtown while he was driving the trolley, like
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: riding one of them trolley like we did in Charleston.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: And you're like, oh, there's the trolley, Like what is
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: the Why is the driver missing all his teeth?
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Hair looks so wild? Why why is their pupil so dilating?
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Employee doing myth?
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Why are he smoking all that? Employees were able to
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: get the vehicle back and it was not damaged. Winslow
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: was identified as the suspect and later found at the
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: southernmost Booie Oh down there in Key West. They got
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: that southern most place.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: I say, give him back, give him a job.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: He did great.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: He got picked up passengers, everybody was saved, didn't damage
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: anything anyway.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: After being read his rights, Winslow told authorities that he
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: does not steal, but that he had actually borrowed the trolley.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: A fair point.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: He also told police that it was his birthday.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Also fair.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: His car was still running and rock music was playing
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: on the radio when police found it behind the cock
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: tour train depot. When questioned by law enforcement, Winslow spoke
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: rapidly and appeared excited. According to authorities, they found a
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: small glass smoking pipe that contained meta amphetamine and Winslow's
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: swimming trunks. After he was taken jail, he was charged
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: with burglary of an occupied structure, grand theft.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: His defense, it wasn't occupied until he picked up the passengers.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: There you go, and they voluntarily got.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: On possession of a drug paraphernalia.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Well, that was a pretty good one, yes, it was.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: I think the best part is that he picked up to.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's the funniest part. It wasn't just that he's
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: just over there driving his little train picking up people.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Well, that was one of the stories. And the other
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: one came to us from Okay, well we'll do it
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: next week's do now this is the same story. Oh,
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: this comes to us from Channel ten. And but I
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: they didn't have the thing where he was picking up
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: the the passa which is the best part, which is
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: the best part. But they did have some good stuff here.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: But they said that he then got onto one of
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: the vehicles and Drawfley then leaving the employee confused, thinking
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: that Winslow may have had permission to take the train.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Winslow did not, said police, Yeah, there was just some
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: funny other stuff in there. Okay, well that was he
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: claimed it was a weed pipe. It was not a
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: weed pipe. So he claimed that he had a weed pipe.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: But they were like, no, not weed Okay, all right,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: I think we're good, are you sure?
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Yes? All right, sixty thousand dollars bond, So let's help
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: him out, guys. Okay, get a go fund me gone
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: so we can get some more Florida Man stories out
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: of this guy.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well, if you have any recommendation on cases,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: send him in to us. We covered one last week
• 56:42
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• 56:48
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• 56:54
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• 56:57
  Speaker 2: getting a Oh wait, this is coming on afterwards, so
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: never mind, disregard. We're recording this now, but the Shoot
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: the Poo will have already been out, so for for
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: that we did, we are going to update on. I
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: guess it doesn't matter because this comes out afterwards, so
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. We did have a if you're part
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: of Shoot the Pooh, we did have a update on
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: the Colorado Springs where we're gonna stay situation, so we'll
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: talk about that. But all right, well, I guess we
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: will see you next time. By everyone, say bye, Steve.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: Don't you know it's bad to be SUPERSTI shot live
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: mapping else since working. It's pretty sick. This word
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  Speaker 2: Cam