Latest / Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families / #808 A 'Solid' 4 Stars AKA Kylie's Literary Smackdown

Transcript

#808 A 'Solid' 4 Stars AKA Kylie's Literary Smackdown · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the time,
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: poor parent who just wants answers?
• 0:10
  Speaker 2: Now, what do you give it? The book? Out of five?
• 0:12
  Speaker 3: Look, I'm going to get a solid four. It was a.
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: Really solid four. That hurts my heart. My wife is
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: only giving my book a four out of five. But
• 0:21
  Speaker 2: it's a solid four.
• 0:22
  Speaker 3: I have to be honest.
• 0:24
  Speaker 2: My gosh.
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mum
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: and dad.
• 0:29
  Speaker 2: This is the podcast for the time poor parent who
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: just wants answers. Now I'm justin I'm here with Kylie
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: and today it's our fun pod. Well I don't think
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: they're all fun. I shouldn't say it's our fun podcast,
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: but today is our kind of non parenting parenting podcast,
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: if that makes sense. Once every month we talk about
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: the books that we've been reading. Kylie and I both
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: avid readers. We can't get enough of books. Kylie, how
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: many books have you read this year? Where are you
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: up to?
• 0:53
  Speaker 3: Sixteen?
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: Sixteen? OK? Can I just wave my little flag here
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: and say them in front of the moment. I'm reading
• 0:59
  Speaker 2: my twenty sixth book at the moment.
• 1:00
  Speaker 3: How many airplanes have you been on this year?
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: I've been on far too many airplanes, and that's when
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: I get a lot of reading. So what we do
• 1:08
  Speaker 2: when we do the do our book club podcast is
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: we basically pick a bunch of books that we've read
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: over the last month or so and give like a
• 1:16
  Speaker 2: two minute review or a one minute review or an
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: eight minute review, depending on how many we're doing. How
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: many of you read this last month?
• 1:23
  Speaker 3: Oh haven't you been counted? One, two, three, four or five, six, seven, eight?
• 1:27
  Speaker 2: You've read eight books this month?
• 1:29
  Speaker 3: Well, not this month. We haven't done it for a couple.
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: We did miss last month. You're right because we had
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: that TV show Parental Guidance with something like that taking
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: over our podcast. Okay, well, how many do you want
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: to talk about today?
• 1:40
  Speaker 3: I'm going to tell the truth. You can't actually left
• 1:42
  Speaker 3: all of my notes at home, so I'm not sure
• 1:45
  Speaker 3: how this is going to go.
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, I reckon that you should pick three and talk
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: for about one minute about each of them and we'll
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: just make it a short podcast. That's fine. What have
• 1:54
  Speaker 2: been your favorite three books in the last month or so? Oh, well,
• 1:57
  Speaker 2: you're going to shoot.
• 1:58
  Speaker 3: Me if your one's not in there. I did finally read. Yes,
• 2:01
  Speaker 3: the parenting Revelations rout of applause.
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: I'm celebrating it's happened finally. So you've read the book.
• 2:10
  Speaker 2: I read the book, The Parenting Revolution.
• 2:12
  Speaker 3: This is what we cover to cover.
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: This is the book where I get kind of nervous.
• 2:15
  Speaker 2: What did you think?
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 2:17
  Speaker 3: Look, I actually wrote a blog about it because I
• 2:20
  Speaker 3: wanted to give an honest opinion.
• 2:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, do you want to make your blog about
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: it the honest opinion about it? Your your book club
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: for today? Sure? Okay, why why don't you share?
• 2:31
  Speaker 3: I won't read it all Okay, I just I decided
• 2:33
  Speaker 3: to share the good, the bad, and the ugly.
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, let's hear it.
• 2:36
  Speaker 3: Can you handle it?
• 2:37
  Speaker 2: I can handle it all right, So I hope maybe
• 2:42
  Speaker 2: the good.
• 2:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, I share the good.
• 2:44
  Speaker 2: Let's do that.
• 2:44
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: I feel good about that.
• 2:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I absolutely love the way that you're right. I
• 2:49
  Speaker 3: love how you're able to take the science and the
• 2:52
  Speaker 3: stuff that hurts my head to read but make it
• 2:55
  Speaker 3: so palatable for not just me, but the average parent
• 2:58
  Speaker 3: who you don't need to have a psychology degree to
• 3:01
  Speaker 3: understand and decipher what you're sharing. So I absolutely love that.
• 3:07
  Speaker 3: But I love how you're then able to do all
• 3:10
  Speaker 3: of that and break it down into practical, bite sized
• 3:14
  Speaker 3: actions that I can do right now, Like I don't
• 3:18
  Speaker 3: have to wait until, you know, next year when the
• 3:21
  Speaker 3: calendar is clean, or there are just so many gems
• 3:25
  Speaker 3: of things that I can start doing right now as
• 3:28
  Speaker 3: a result of the things that I read. So I
• 3:30
  Speaker 3: love how you're able to do that.
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: I worked really hard on that, so I'm kind of
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: glad that you picked that up. I don't want people
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: to read a book and not know what to do.
• 3:39
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't call it light reading. Oh really, but it's
• 3:42
  Speaker 3: easy reading. It's not light reading in my mind because
• 3:46
  Speaker 3: it actually challenges the way I think.
• 3:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I understand what you're saying.
• 3:51
  Speaker 3: So it's really easy to read. It's you don't feel
• 3:54
  Speaker 3: bogged down by it, but it is going to challenge,
• 3:58
  Speaker 3: probably for some people to the very core of how
• 4:03
  Speaker 3: they see themselves as a parent and they what things
• 4:07
  Speaker 3: they value as a parent.
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: I love the way you've said that, because so I'm
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: reading a book at the moment that I'll talk about
• 4:12
  Speaker 2: in next month's book Club that I'm really really struggling
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: to read. It's not an easy book to read because
• 4:20
  Speaker 2: it's so dense, and the author is a journalist. Now
• 4:24
  Speaker 2: he's making really profound points. And the book itself is
• 4:26
  Speaker 2: also very very challenging. But each chapter is like forty
• 4:30
  Speaker 2: or fifty pages, and there's no breaks in the text,
• 4:33
  Speaker 2: and it's kind of heavy content, not all of it,
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: but a lot of it. And once I get into
• 4:37
  Speaker 2: the flow of it, I can really really sort of
• 4:40
  Speaker 2: get going with it. But I'll tell you what, it's
• 4:42
  Speaker 2: a tough read. But I'm also loving it because it's challenging.
• 4:45
  Speaker 2: What you're saying is this one's actually quite light and
• 4:48
  Speaker 2: easy to read. So it's really easy. It's got that
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: provocative edge to it, which is exactly what I was
• 4:53
  Speaker 2: going for. So I'm really glad that you've said that.
• 4:54
  Speaker 2: That's nice.
• 4:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, but there's the bad. This is the middle ground, honey,
• 5:04
  Speaker 3: who it gets to the ugly yet so brutal honesty.
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: I'm feeling it already. I'm starting to fee quite uncomfortable.
• 5:12
  Speaker 2: I'm slouching in my seat. I'm sort of sliding under
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: the like if we had a video going right now,
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: people would see I'm literally slinking under the table. I'm
• 5:20
  Speaker 2: feeling very tall right now. I'm really nervous about this.
• 5:23
  Speaker 3: All right, So the first couple of chapters you talk
• 5:26
  Speaker 3: about helping us to understand the history of parenting. Yes, now,
• 5:32
  Speaker 3: so much of it is fascinating, yes, But as a
• 5:35
  Speaker 3: parent who's feeling a little bit time poor and I
• 5:38
  Speaker 3: just want to make my family better, it was a
• 5:41
  Speaker 3: little bit overload for me, like just superfluous information that
• 5:45
  Speaker 3: didn't help me be better. Does that make sense? So
• 5:50
  Speaker 3: I was intrigued, There was so much that was intriguing
• 5:53
  Speaker 3: about it, but I just wanted to get to the
• 5:56
  Speaker 3: nitty gritty of why I'm reading the book.
• 5:58
  Speaker 2: So you're saying, if you really really want to get
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: practical straightaway, skip the first few chapters.
• 6:01
  Speaker 3: Probably you're not going to lose the essence of the
• 6:04
  Speaker 3: book if you don't read those first few chapters.
• 6:07
  Speaker 2: Fair enough, But you could actually skip part one of
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: the book and just read part two and three if
• 6:12
  Speaker 2: you want to get super practical.
• 6:13
  Speaker 3: But because of the way you write, and because of
• 6:21
  Speaker 3: we have a rule in our house if you're not
• 6:22
  Speaker 3: interested in a book, you've got to give it fifty pages.
• 6:24
  Speaker 2: That's the rule. Literally.
• 6:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, so I think part one's about eighty three pages.
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, Okay, I haven't encounted.
• 6:31
  Speaker 3: My suggestion is if you feel bogged down in those
• 6:33
  Speaker 3: first couple of chapters, just push through.
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's still pretty fast paced though, and
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: it covers a lot of important ground, do you know
• 6:40
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Like, it's not going to be hard
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: to read it, you just might want to move on
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: to other, much more practical stuff rather than that.
• 6:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's all I'm saying. So that's the bad
• 6:51
  Speaker 3: for me, Like, being completely honest, I just wanted to
• 6:54
  Speaker 3: read a book that was going to give me practical
• 6:56
  Speaker 3: suggestions and solutions to my challenges right now. Reading about
• 7:00
  Speaker 3: the history of parenting was enlightening, definitely not riveting read
• 7:06
  Speaker 3: for me. And because I've been privy to all of the.
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: Research, you've heard me talk about it so much. I
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: have heard you talk.
• 7:15
  Speaker 3: About it, But so much of what you had shared
• 7:16
  Speaker 3: with me didn't actually make it in the book in
• 7:18
  Speaker 3: the end. Ah, right, So I was reading things expecting
• 7:22
  Speaker 3: to read things that weren't there. So it's really hard
• 7:24
  Speaker 3: for me to be objective as a reader of work
• 7:29
  Speaker 3: that I've been a part of from the very beginning
• 7:32
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: So what's the ugly do I want to ask, Okay.
• 7:35
  Speaker 3: So the ugly are you ready? No, the ugly actually
• 7:40
  Speaker 3: has very little to do with you. And how provocative
• 7:44
  Speaker 3: the book was in challenging my thinking. That's where it
• 7:48
  Speaker 3: got ugly for me.
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's go, I'm ready.
• 7:53
  Speaker 3: Learning to be comfortable in the uncomfortable is something that
• 7:57
  Speaker 3: has been really challenging for me. I'd away from anything
• 8:01
  Speaker 3: that's left me feeling uncomfortable because who likes to sit
• 8:04
  Speaker 3: in an uncomfortable place?
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: I kind of do, but I'm a bit weird like that.
• 8:07
  Speaker 3: Who are really weird? And I married you?
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: Yep, you did.
• 8:13
  Speaker 3: But what I found time and time again, once I
• 8:15
  Speaker 3: got past that part one and actually got into the
• 8:18
  Speaker 3: nitty gritty of the book, I just found so often
• 8:24
  Speaker 3: these little aha moments that helped me either to understand
• 8:28
  Speaker 3: my parents and the reason that they did the things
• 8:32
  Speaker 3: that they did, or the way in which their parenting
• 8:36
  Speaker 3: has actually affected me, or how that now plays out
• 8:41
  Speaker 3: in my life as a parent and the way my
• 8:44
  Speaker 3: children see me as a result of those experiences. And
• 8:49
  Speaker 3: so for me, the ugly part, like I said, it
• 8:51
  Speaker 3: wasn't what you wrote, It was how what you wrote
• 8:55
  Speaker 3: impacted my thinking and actually opened me up about myself
• 9:00
  Speaker 3: that I probably would prefer not to know, right, but
• 9:03
  Speaker 3: now that I know, need to act on yes to
• 9:06
  Speaker 3: make changes.
• 9:07
  Speaker 2: So in other words, mission accomplished.
• 9:08
  Speaker 3: Totally, totally all right.
• 9:11
  Speaker 2: So this is a really hard question for me to ask.
• 9:13
  Speaker 2: But let's wrap up this review. What do you give
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: it the book out of five?
• 9:16
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to get a solid four.
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: It was a really solid four. That hurts my heart.
• 9:23
  Speaker 2: My wife is only giving my book a four out
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: of five, but it's a solid four.
• 9:26
  Speaker 3: You have to be honest, Gosh, if I give you
• 9:29
  Speaker 3: a five, no one's going to believe me.
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: Right, So you're saying you'd like to give me a five,
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: but no one will believe you if you do. Is
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: that what you're saying? Maybe maybe we can negotiate this
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: to a four point five four point six, No negotiations allowed,
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I'm going to give it a four.
• 9:44
  Speaker 3: The thing that I love the most about your book,
• 9:47
  Speaker 3: and across the board, your books are all very similar
• 9:50
  Speaker 3: in this regard. But the gold, the gold for me
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: is just the compassion with which you're able to weave
• 9:58
  Speaker 3: throughout your writing. I remember, are you telling me a
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: conversation you had with a parent once and they just said,
• 10:03
  Speaker 3: I've never felt so good about being made to feel
• 10:06
  Speaker 3: so bad, right, And it's that same kind of thing.
• 10:09
  Speaker 3: There is just so much compassion there from you to
• 10:14
  Speaker 3: me as a parent who when I'm reading things feels
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: like I am just screwing it all up, right, because
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: we all feel that way, you know, just we're we're
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: all getting it wrong all the time. But you're able
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: to help us to actually see and pinpoint what needs
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: to change and yet give us the gift of grace
• 10:39
  Speaker 3: and compassion that we can gift ourselves because it doesn't matter,
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: it doesn't need to come from you. I need to
• 10:46
  Speaker 3: be able to say, you know what, I see the good,
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: the bad, and the ugly in my own life. But
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: I can be patient and compassionate with myself recognizing that
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: now that I know better, I can be better. But
• 10:58
  Speaker 3: until I know it, I can't. I can't actually change
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: if I don't see that. And so having to look
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: into the mirror and see the bad or see the ugly,
• 11:08
  Speaker 3: recognize it, and then be able to move forward is
• 11:11
  Speaker 3: the power that I see in all of your books.
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, the Pairing Revolution by me, Doctor Justin Coulson
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: read four out of five by this Happy Families. Thanks
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: so much. I think you know what. We've well and
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: truly gone over time with your book review. That was
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: the longest book review I've literally ever done. But you've
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: got several others. Can you give us three ten second
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: reviews for other things that you've read literally ten seconds
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: on three other books.
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: So one of my favorite writers, she's actually a spiritual writer,
• 11:43
  Speaker 3: Emily Bell Freeman. I read her latest books, Grace Where
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: You Are and Grace to Become. I just love the
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: personality that she brings to it and the way that
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: she writes. You hate it by absolutely.
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: Flowery and takes too long to get to the point
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: and tells all of these stories that I don't love it,
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: but you obviously like that. So that Emily Bell Freeman
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: Grace to Become and Grace Where you Are? Yes, okay,
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: and you rate them as solid for solid four.
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: I've read some really good books this time, okay. The
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: Drover's Wife by Leah Purcell. I've started to read a
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: lot of Australian writers and particularly with an Aboriginal theme
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: to them. This was actually a hard read, quite raw,
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: I think Ned Kelly outlaw kind of.
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: Setting, sort of frontier australiay, sort of stuff. Yep, yeap,
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: what did you write that one? There's not many.
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: Numbers to work with. I'm going to go for it
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: was a really good read.
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: So everything that you read is just for full stop
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: and a story. Yeah kind of Okay, no problem, we
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: need to stop it there. Otherwise I'm not going to
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: be able to talk about any of the seventy four
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: books that I've written in the last two days.
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, Pip Williams, I just read the Dictionary of
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: the Lost Words. I actually loved that. I'm going to
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: give that a four point five. That was a real
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: unique read and surprisingly just a lot of fun. Her
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: second book that kind of sequels that, the Bookbinder of Jericho,
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: I didn't love that as much. I'm going to give
• 13:12
  Speaker 3: that actually a three point five.
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, are you finished now?
• 13:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: She feel like you've done like seven books. I did
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: such a cheap What have you read? Hunt? Okay, I'm
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: going to go through my books very very quickly.
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: You can't complain.
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: I just massive you did, and hopefully everyone's going to
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: go and buy a solid four. The Pairing Revolution by
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: Doctor Justin Wilson. But I want to talk about a
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: few of the books that I have read in the
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. First off, I read a fiction
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: book which I hardly ever do. I read Project Hale
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: Mary by Andy wir He's the guy that wrote The
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: Martian the Matt Damon movie. He wrote that as a
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: book before it became a movie, and he's written a
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: couple other things as well. Really cool book, crazy science,
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: like the thought that went into the insane research that
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: went into writing this book. I just I was astounded
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: by what he came up with. It was absolutely incredible,
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: but it didn't connect for me so as much as
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: I thought it was extraordinary and just incredible thinking. I
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: can only give it a four because I just didn't
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: connect with it. I'm not really a science fiction guy.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not really a fiction guy. I tried. Everyone's talked
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: about how good it is. Four but not a solid four.
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: Just a four, Okay. Next one, Doctor Lisa Demore one
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: of my favorite parenting thinkers globally, one of the very
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: few people that I actually spent a lot of time
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: listening to and engaging with. I read her book The
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Emotional Lives of Teenagers. It was a really solid book.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: Covers a lot of ground, easy to read, very helpful ideas,
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: great scripting for parents who want to know what to say. Overall,
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: very high quality. Four and a half maybe four point
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: seventy five, like really really good book. Lisa to Moore,
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: The Emotional Lives of Teenagers. I'm going to be talking
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: to Lisa on the podcast in a couple of weeks,
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: time long conversation. Maybe spread it out over a couple
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: of weeks because the so much to talk about. The
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: third one that I'm going to mention is a book
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: by an American guy living in Australia. New York Times
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: office head, chief head, whatever it is that the chief
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: of the New York Times office here in Australia is
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say. His name is Damien Cave.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: The book we have a chief in New York, New
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: York Times. Yeah, yeah, in Australia. His name's Damien Cave.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: The book's called Parenting Like an Australian One Family's quest
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: to fight fear and dive into a better, braver life.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: It's basically a memoir about being this investigative journalist who's
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: gone to war zones all around the world, but now
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: with kids, moves to Australia, opens up the bureau here
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: in Australia in Sydney, and joins the local surf club
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: and has to get his bronze medallion. But he's not
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: really a swimmer, and he's suddenly struck by how risk
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: averse Americans are and how Australians just love to get
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: in and give it a crack. And the book is
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: actually a really delightful memoir, but each chapter has maybe
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: ten really high quality scientific interrogation of risk and helicopter
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: parenting and the approach that we have to doing dangerous things.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed the book. I loved talking with Damien
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: as well on the podcast yesterday, and I'm going to
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: give that one of four.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Would I like to read it?
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: I would love for you to have a look at it.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: He writes really beautifully, but he does get kind of
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: sciencey in every chapter. There's like half a dozen pages
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: where you're kind of even as somebody who's aware of
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: and familiar with the science that he's talking about. I
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, sea of it. Yeah, he does go
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: kind of geeky on the science, and it's still worth reading.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: In fact, I think it's a wonderful book to teach
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: us about how we can encourage our kids to push
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: through the pain and the anxiety and the worry. I
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: really liked it. I thought it was a delightful book.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Two more Really Quickly, Just Kids by Patti Smith Patty Smith,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: rock singer. I hated it. It's a biography. I love biographies.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: I thought I was going to love this thing, but
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: it was all for I gave it a three.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like a fair rate.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Music star writes a memoir. It's about her boyfriend more
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: and about her. He becomes this fancy, high flying artist
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: and gay pornographer, and I just I couldn't connect. I
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: don't get the whole high art world. I don't get
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: the hype around art, Like if you ask me to
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: go to the Gallery of Modern Art, I would rather
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: do anything than do something like that. So it just
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: it's not my world. I didn't connect with it, and
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: I didn't love the book. So I gave it a
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: three because she still wrote really well, But yeah, don't
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: buy it. And the last one, the one that I
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: loved the most of the last few weeks that I've
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: read We've got book club coming up for our Happy
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Family's premium members. Soon, we're going to be doing The
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Whole Brain Child by Dan Siegel and Tina Paine Bryson.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: So I pulled that off the shelf and read that.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: There's a reason that this is one of the most
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: love pairing books in the past decade. It's concise and simple,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: it's practical. I loved the book, giving it a five
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: out of five, The Whole Brain Child.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Do you notice that academics often have to last names.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: No, I have not, Tina Paine Bryson. I think what
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: happens in America from what I understand, a lot of
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: women take their maiden name and they shift it and
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: make it their middle name. So I'd say that that
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: was her name before she was married, Tina Payne, and
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: she married a guy whose last name was Bryce Bryson.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: So now she's Tena Pane Bryson. I think that's a
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: cultural thing. Anyway, we've talked way too long. Hopefully, folks,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: you've got some in spoke from Kylie's wonderful book review
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: of that parenting book what was called the Parenting.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Revolution Parenting Revolution by doctor Justin Coulson.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: We will link to buy it anywhere. We will link
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: to all of these books in the show notes. Thanks
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: so much for listening. We can't wait to share a
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: much more concise book club next month.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: I'll bring my notes good idea I think you should.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: The Happy Families podcast is produced by Justin Rowlan from
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Bridge Media. Craig Bruce is our executive producer. For more
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: and ful about making your family happier, please visit us
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: at happy families dot com. Do you