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Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, June 11 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Jeff Wars did you don't check? Jack Warris? Did you
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Speaker 1: know Jaguars Drive Time? Ryan Sex steps to John O Josh,
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Speaker 1: Jaguars Drive Time starts right now. Welcome into Jags Drive
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Speaker 1: Times Suesday morning the start of mandatory Mini camp. Okay,
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Speaker 1: John's chair chairs. He's so excited for the start of
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Speaker 1: camp that he just fell out of his chair. That's okay.
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Speaker 1: You don't need a cha Yeah, well, he doesn't need
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Speaker 1: an arm rest is what he really doesn't because he
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Speaker 1: doesn't happening, so there's not much he can do. You
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Speaker 1: don't need that to the big news, John, besides your
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Speaker 1: chair out of the chair. Adam Schefter tweeting out yesterday
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Speaker 1: that someone would not be present for mandatory Mini camp
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Speaker 1: for the Jaguars and that is unique in Gockway. Schufter
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Speaker 1: tweeted out yesterday afternoon statement from Jaguars defensive and unique
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Speaker 1: in Gockway. Well, I will not be attending mini camp
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Speaker 1: as my con has not been resolved. I mean committed
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Speaker 1: to Jacksonville, the fans, and my teammates. My hope is
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Speaker 1: to be with Jacksonville for years to come. Guys, first off,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna get more to this in Big Thing one.
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Speaker 1: But when he tweeted this out, were you at all
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Speaker 1: surprised this was gonna happen? Not shocked. I was a
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Speaker 1: little surprised because I thought that he had made his
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Speaker 1: point early in O t A S and then not
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Speaker 1: being here for the last few O t A s.
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Speaker 1: The reason that you do something like this is to
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Speaker 1: make the point and make people and make sure people
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Speaker 1: are aware that you want the contract. Um, I don't
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Speaker 1: know that this. Yes, I was a little surprised, and
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Speaker 1: now we'll get to it in Big Things one. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I was a little surprised too, because he arrived for
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Speaker 1: O t A S and said he would be here
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Speaker 1: for men to be a part of it. I guess,
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Speaker 1: you know, retrospectively, looking back, Um, maybe I shouldn't have
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Speaker 1: been surprised because he didn't show up for what but
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Speaker 1: the first two days ago. I actually said he'd be
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Speaker 1: with the rest of t S. But then he was
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Speaker 1: once he wasn't that sort of indicated. But you know,
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Speaker 1: it's uh, these things always tend to get a little
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Speaker 1: weird in the off season, and this is the weirdness, right.
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Speaker 1: And obviously the mood shifted because he did say during
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Speaker 1: his press conference that he'd be present for for O
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Speaker 1: t a S and would play during the two thou
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Speaker 1: nineteen season despite the risk of injury and money. But
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Speaker 1: obviously something changed. I don't have to be here, but
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Speaker 1: I chose to be here. Uh just shows you how
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Speaker 1: much I love the game, man, what I want to
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Speaker 1: be able to help some guys out. Do you know,
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Speaker 1: have you got any assurances that a deal will get
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Speaker 1: done this summer or this season at some point? Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, my production speak for itself at the end
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Speaker 1: of the day, and uh, that's really a question for
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Speaker 1: the front office. I can't control that. All I can
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Speaker 1: control is me getting better each and every day. So
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Speaker 1: for me, guys, I think what I'm most confused about
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Speaker 1: is if this is going to happen, If you're not
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Speaker 1: going to show up for mandatory mini camp, why show
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Speaker 1: up for t S in the first place? Why confuse
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Speaker 1: the team? If you're going to hold out, My opinion
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Speaker 1: is you hold up for the whole beat. He's an
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Speaker 1: emotional guy. Uh, it's the way he plays the game,
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Speaker 1: and I think he showed up, you know, with good
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Speaker 1: intentions for for O t a S To be a
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Speaker 1: part of that, and then reality set in and that was, Hey,
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Speaker 1: I hit miney like Josh Allen did on Day one,
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I lose leverage. Um, it
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Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me at all if over the last couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks he just didn't come to the realization that
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Speaker 1: he has no greater leverage than right here and right now,
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Speaker 1: and now's the time to play it. And it makes sense.
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Speaker 1: I can't speak to the advice he's getting to that.
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Speaker 1: I don't know the advice he's getting. Um, I don't
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Speaker 1: you know. I'm not big that the offseason program you
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Speaker 1: guys know, is that big a deal. And I don't
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Speaker 1: think this is going to hurt him going forward. I
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Speaker 1: do think once you get to training camp, it becomes
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Speaker 1: in who knows how this play at that point. I
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Speaker 1: think at that point then a player holding out does
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Speaker 1: risk setting himself behind And if a contract doesn't get done,
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Speaker 1: does he have a bad season and then hurt his deal.
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Speaker 1: That's always something to be weighed with this decision as
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Speaker 1: he goes forward. That's not the decision right now because
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Speaker 1: mini camp being out right now doesn't affect performance. It's
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Speaker 1: just your statement saying this is what I want and
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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that the action will bring about
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Speaker 1: the result, Meaning not being here does not necessarily at
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Speaker 1: all expediate the process of a contract getting done. In fact,
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Speaker 1: might be the opposite. Well, in fact, if if you're
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Speaker 1: into such things. It's interesting that on the day that
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Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey arrived at the stadium, yeah he Cankoi said,
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Speaker 1: I'm not coming because it's Ramsey. Really, that's the driving
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Speaker 1: factor in what's going on with the salary cap they've got.
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Speaker 1: If you're going to prioritize the two guys that you're
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Speaker 1: gonna pay, well, you've got to take care of of
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Speaker 1: the all pro corner as opposed to the pass rushing
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Speaker 1: undersized pass rushing defensive end. Jalen is far more critical
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Speaker 1: for this, and they can't go all right, he's not here,
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Speaker 1: Somebody get the hundred million dollar checked out and let's
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Speaker 1: pay him, because you you can't have everybody. You can
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Speaker 1: have a twenty million dollar performer at every level of
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Speaker 1: your defense, and on the offense you can't do it.
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Speaker 1: So I don't get the sense that there is a
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Speaker 1: great sense of urgency to get the contract done with Unique. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: he's got another year on his contract you've got the
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Speaker 1: franchise tag my feeling sense and limited conversations because they're
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Speaker 1: not sharing their strategy with me, and be quiet on that, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: very quiet. But is that you've got to figure out
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Speaker 1: how you're gonna handle Jalen. You've got the fifth year option,
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Speaker 1: and you also have you know after that two years
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Speaker 1: that you can use the franchise and he's gonna play.
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Speaker 1: You're not gonna show up, but you've got some options.
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Speaker 1: But you you do not want the undersized pass rushing
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Speaker 1: defensive end to set the market for what you're gonna
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Speaker 1: have to pay Jalen, who, in my opinion, is more
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Speaker 1: valuable to your defense. To me, I thought it was
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Speaker 1: interesting yesterday. Jalen's here. Unique is not right because this
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Speaker 1: is the guy you gotta pay first. And as far
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Speaker 1: as and when things get done in contracts, you never
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Speaker 1: necessarily know what prompted things to be timed in a
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Speaker 1: certain way. But I'd be very surprised if they came
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Speaker 1: out today and said, oh, give me a big contract,
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Speaker 1: because what president does that set? Okay, now, all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, Miles walks tomorrow, you gotta pay him. I
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Speaker 1: was sading Jaien walks the next day. You gotta pay him. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, you know money to pay, all right, So
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Speaker 1: Matt Overton leaves, You're gonna pay. I mean, so you
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Speaker 1: have to. You can't respond to this at this point.
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Speaker 1: So that's why I said, I don't think the action
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Speaker 1: will necessarily get the reaction wanted. In fact, it might
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Speaker 1: be the opposite, might delay. I think it me. I'd
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Speaker 1: keep the forty five dollars and find that he's going
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Speaker 1: to a crew, show up, show my worth. Right, you
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Speaker 1: heard what what Doug said a few minutes to go
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Speaker 1: to his news conference that they hadn't had a chance
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Speaker 1: to see Jalen, so they were going to push it.
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Speaker 1: They were gonna hold him out. They're gonna work him
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Speaker 1: back in. They don't want to do anything. It's going
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Speaker 1: to compromise the player. Same thing would go for Unique.
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Speaker 1: They would not put him in positions where he would
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Speaker 1: necessarily be injured. Course, we saw Dante get injured in
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Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen, and there was no contact on that play.
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Speaker 1: So but show up, be here for the three days,
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Speaker 1: show your value, give them a reason to think. You
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Speaker 1: know what, we like that ninety one. Let's find a
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Speaker 1: way to get something done. Before training camp with him.
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Speaker 1: All that said, let's keep in perspective, these things happen
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Speaker 1: all the time. Obviously there's gonna be some back and forth.
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Speaker 1: I believe it will get done and at that point
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Speaker 1: it will be very much a no harm, no fail,
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Speaker 1: and you move on. That's what happens in this unless
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Speaker 1: something goes terribly or I. I don't get the sense
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Speaker 1: of that way. I get the sense of this offseason stuff. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And I do wonder what the timing of it will be.
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Speaker 1: I haven't believed that it would get done before the season.
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Speaker 1: I still think it's something that's gonna linger, but we'll see.
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Speaker 1: Pressure makes things different, Alright. Big thing too is is present.
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Speaker 1: Practice is currently going on right now and Jalen Ramsey
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Speaker 1: is there. He rolled up Dion Sanders style to the
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Speaker 1: stadium yesterday. It was quite the show. Was there at
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Speaker 1: Media day yesterday. Done Moron told us at the press
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Speaker 1: conference earlier this morning that he actually got into town
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Speaker 1: on Friday, spoke to him yesterday morning. They had a
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Speaker 1: good talk. It's huge that he's here, guys, great player.
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Speaker 1: He stole my haircut. You went with that season? Oh well,
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Speaker 1: I never saw it like uh yeah, it's huge. He's
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Speaker 1: here is expected. I wouldn't expect Jalen to miss mandatory things. Uh,
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Speaker 1: that's not what this was about. His absence. Now, at
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Speaker 1: some point, if there's not a long term deal done,
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Speaker 1: mandatory things could get dicey in the future. But that's
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Speaker 1: not what this offseasons about for jail Again, whatever their
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Speaker 1: strategy is, it doesn't appear that getting him done at
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Speaker 1: this point before the season begins, because he's got that
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Speaker 1: fourth year and then the fifth year option. So said,
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Speaker 1: they're picking up right, so there's no need for them
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Speaker 1: to push the panic button on that. He gets it.
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Speaker 1: He's smart guy. He understands where his leverage point is.
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Speaker 1: It goes out and has another huge season, they're gonna
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Speaker 1: need to give him a contract so that they can
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Speaker 1: start putting the other pieces in place, because he is
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Speaker 1: one of their cornerstones. Um. You know, he sets foot
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Speaker 1: in the facility and people get excited. Uh, he sets
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Speaker 1: foot in the practice field and his teammates get excited
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Speaker 1: because they know who he is, they know what he's
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Speaker 1: about and how much he brings, how much better he
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Speaker 1: makes them. Um, so you know, there's not a lot
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Speaker 1: that interested me. Twenty five years into this going out
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Speaker 1: and watching O T A S right or mandatory minicamp,
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Speaker 1: not in paths, they're all the same. But when he
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Speaker 1: shows up, I'm interested to watch he also for perspective, Um,
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Speaker 1: he shows up in a little better mood. He got
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Speaker 1: paid number five overall money and uniques on the third round.
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Speaker 1: That's true, So there's a little bit of a different
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Speaker 1: fairness to Uni. You're right, he can afford Jalen can
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Speaker 1: uh financially, you know it if he were to be
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Speaker 1: injured terms of financially he's got He's okay, okay, Unique,
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Speaker 1: that is a different situation for a third round pick,
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Speaker 1: without question. He's not financially set for life yet. Well,
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Speaker 1: and he's the best player on the roster, I mean,
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Speaker 1: clearly number one, and they don't have I mean, you've
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Speaker 1: got Boy on the other side. But it's not like
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Speaker 1: there's a backup. Well, they drafted a guy at number
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Speaker 1: seven overall that if Unique doesn't show up, okay, forty one,
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen step into the lineup. You go, that's huge
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Speaker 1: leverage for the Jackson. Oh yeah, they've got more leverage. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they've got more leverage. All right, big thing three one
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Speaker 1: more guy who was president has to have a big year?
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Speaker 1: Is Leonard for Nett. We've talked about it all offseason,
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Speaker 1: guys has to have a big year. Done her own
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Speaker 1: mentioned when he was here during O t A S.
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Speaker 1: He was very happy with his performance. But we've talked
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Speaker 1: about it all off season that this is the year.
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Speaker 1: But now this is the start of it. This is
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Speaker 1: where we truly see you know, is he going to
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Speaker 1: have the year we all expect him to have? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I think training camp is really the start of it.
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Speaker 1: This to me still feels like the rest of of
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Speaker 1: O t A S. Um not surprised that he's here.
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Speaker 1: Think my guess is, as long as Leonard's here, he
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Speaker 1: will be a six out of ten O t a S.
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Speaker 1: Mandatory guy show fairy things necessary. Um, we just witched
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Speaker 1: required right, shows up for six out of ten and
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Speaker 1: that's the mandatory that that's more than he has to
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Speaker 1: that's right. And we just won't know on him until
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Speaker 1: mid season how it's going to play out this time,
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Speaker 1: you know. And I last year during training camp, I
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Speaker 1: was writing stories about how quick he was but athletic key.
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Speaker 1: Look now how much everybody was, So we're gonna do
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Speaker 1: that same thing in training camp this year. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: he'll look good. He's he seems to be focused on
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Speaker 1: on showing up in shape and up until he walked
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Speaker 1: off that field against the Giants. Everything looked great last year.
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Speaker 1: So we just won't know, and there will be some
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Speaker 1: legitimate breath holding among the observers and fans with him
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Speaker 1: for a while until he shows that he's going to
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Speaker 1: be on the field consistently. You wrote last year about
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Speaker 1: how good he looked at camp. My concern last year
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Speaker 1: was could he stay healthy and did they have a
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Speaker 1: backup plan for that style of running back? And you
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Speaker 1: just reference the Giants game. We won't know if he
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Speaker 1: can stay healthy until he does. He looks terrific. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the guy was given the body of Zeus when he
12:18
Speaker 1: was in ninth grade. You know he has always been
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Speaker 1: a man among boys. Now he's a man among men.
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Speaker 1: Right you look at him. He looks the part, big, strong, fast, powerful,
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Speaker 1: looks like a star running back. Question is will his
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Speaker 1: body that looks like it function like it? Can he
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Speaker 1: stay healthy? Will the hamstrings work? Will he be able
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Speaker 1: to stay loose? Will he be able to play week
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Speaker 1: in and week out? I don't know until they go
12:45
Speaker 1: week in and week out. It's great that he's here, um,
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Speaker 1: that he's bought in. If he's here for six out
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Speaker 1: of ten, o t a s that to me is
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Speaker 1: Leonard for Nette buying in um and is committed to
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Speaker 1: doing what it takes. Because this is this team is shifting.
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Speaker 1: It's not going to be the run, run, run that
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Speaker 1: it was. They're still gonna show that because that's the
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Speaker 1: personality of the head coach. But the offensive coordinator is
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Speaker 1: a guy who wants to throw the ball. Just look
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Speaker 1: at his history and they spent twenty plus million on
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Speaker 1: a quarterback. You don't do that to come, run, run, run.
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Speaker 1: He needs to be here to become a functioning part
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Speaker 1: of the offense and take his role because it's going
13:20
Speaker 1: to change over the course of the season. And the
13:22
Speaker 1: health of wonder For is something we're probably always going
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Speaker 1: to talk about on the show because it's always going
13:26
Speaker 1: to be relevant this season until he gets through a
13:29
Speaker 1: season playing for and I guess he did as a rookie,
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Speaker 1: but until he gets through the season playing fourteen games
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Speaker 1: where you feel like in thirteen twelve of them he
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Speaker 1: was percent even as a rookie, Remember he played but
13:44
Speaker 1: there was that stretch where you felt like he wasn't
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Speaker 1: really who was So until he has a season where
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Speaker 1: he plays a significant number of games and looks like
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Speaker 1: a monster like he can when he's healthy. Um, until
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Speaker 1: he does that, it's always gonna be a topic and
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Speaker 1: he's got to prove himself out of that. I hesitate
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Speaker 1: to make the comp Harrison to Fred because he's not Fred, right,
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Speaker 1: Fred is Fred. Um. But Fred had a year in
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Speaker 1: ninety nine where he had a hamstring in Cincinnati in
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Speaker 1: October and it lingered through the rest of the season,
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Speaker 1: and everyone questioned him, you know, when we're you ready,
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Speaker 1: When you're ready? Playoffs came. He was ready, he was
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Speaker 1: ready to go. Um. You know, maybe for Leonard year
14:20
Speaker 1: two was the same as Fred having to learn how
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Speaker 1: to play hurt not injured, you know the difference, Uh,
14:26
Speaker 1: and then get his body ready to go. And he
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Speaker 1: came back, obviously and had many big seasons after that.
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Speaker 1: We'll see. We'll see, all right when we come back
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Speaker 1: coach John Morrone earlier this morning. You can see that
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Speaker 1: press press conference on Jaguars dot com. Later on, we're
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Speaker 1: gonna hear from Jalen Ramsey. It's always interesting when he
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Speaker 1: meets the media. Always exciting. Click on that, Yeah, you'll
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Speaker 1: click on that. Now, this is just a projection. We
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Speaker 1: did not get the approval of Tom Coughlin for the
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Speaker 1: step shock, but we're gonna look at the two thousand
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Speaker 1: nineteen starters as we see them. So guys, let's start
16:51
Speaker 1: with defense. What we think the step truck is gonna
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Speaker 1: look like. In two thousand nineteen defensive end, you have
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Speaker 1: Calais Campbell and Unique and gock Way defensive tackle Marcel
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Speaker 1: Darius and Abriy Jones, linebackers Miles Jack and Quincy Williams,
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Speaker 1: cornerbacks A J. Boy A, D J. Hayden and Jalen Ramsey,
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Speaker 1: and safety Ronnie Harrison and Jared Wilson. What do we
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Speaker 1: think of this guys? Um, I think I think that's
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Speaker 1: right for week one. Uh, when you're talking starters, I
17:19
Speaker 1: always think of it in terms of thirteen or fourteen.
17:22
Speaker 1: So I think Taven Brian will be such a big
17:24
Speaker 1: part of the rotation that he's basically a star. He's
17:27
Speaker 1: now on this list. Uh, there's no question that Josh
17:31
Speaker 1: Allen will be the same sort of deal rotation on
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Speaker 1: the line, and then Leon Jacobs I expect to be
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Speaker 1: the strong side starter. We left him off this list
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Speaker 1: because it's more of a nickel game now, but uh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's the Those three guys will sort of be the
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Speaker 1: three that make it a four team player defense. But
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Speaker 1: this is dead on. Well, the only name that I
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Speaker 1: didn't see there that makes sense to have on there
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Speaker 1: is Taven Brian. Um. You know, Abery and Marcel play
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Speaker 1: the same position in many respects, and so Tavin is
18:00
Speaker 1: going to be more of that three technique, which and
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Speaker 1: there's the difference, right, so people know the zero technique
18:05
Speaker 1: is the head up on the center and the three
18:07
Speaker 1: technique is that you know, gap shooting, get into the backfield,
18:10
Speaker 1: be disruptive guy. And that's the shift that Brian's making
18:13
Speaker 1: this year from being that big end to sliding inside
18:16
Speaker 1: and causing trouble in the middle. But Marcel can do that,
18:19
Speaker 1: which is why it's okay to have that as I mean,
18:22
Speaker 1: he's capable of doing that. He can play and if
18:24
Speaker 1: he's player do anything. Yeah, there's no doubt that Brian.
18:30
Speaker 1: They would love by week three or four to have
18:33
Speaker 1: that be a dead solid tab and Brian. And then
18:35
Speaker 1: I think the other thing that's interesting to point out
18:36
Speaker 1: from the depth chart here, Ashley, is that Quincy William's
18:39
Speaker 1: name is prominently featured on that and I don't know
18:43
Speaker 1: when they drafted him that people there's two ways to
18:46
Speaker 1: look at it. When they drafted himile they draft him
18:47
Speaker 1: because they see something in him and they think he's,
18:49
Speaker 1: you know, going to be the guy, or while they're
18:51
Speaker 1: taking a chance. Well, clearly this is the first. The
18:54
Speaker 1: former and that is they identified him early and decided
18:57
Speaker 1: that this was going to be the guy who was
18:59
Speaker 1: going to replace Helvin Smith. And from everything I've seen
19:02
Speaker 1: on the practice field so far, he's worked with the
19:05
Speaker 1: first team. He's been out there from the very early
19:07
Speaker 1: going from the very first day because of plays like this,
19:11
Speaker 1: we've seen an interception from him in practice. He's got
19:13
Speaker 1: great instincts. They're not hitting, but he can run to
19:15
Speaker 1: the ball and it looks like when he arrives, he
19:18
Speaker 1: can arrive with some force. So to see him plug
19:21
Speaker 1: in there, Murray state, what was it that General Jeremiah
19:24
Speaker 1: famously said, I don't even know anything about this guy,
19:27
Speaker 1: and you're going to plug him into a defense that
19:30
Speaker 1: most people in the NFL think is one of the
19:32
Speaker 1: two or three best in the game. I think that
19:34
Speaker 1: says a lot about him. You want to talk about
19:35
Speaker 1: an interesting guy to watch during training camp, that's him.
19:39
Speaker 1: And in fairness, this team telling them to make his
19:41
Speaker 1: announcement until the day the rookies arrived here in Jackson. Yeah,
19:45
Speaker 1: but they knew. But obviously they knew something was up.
19:48
Speaker 1: They I think they figured that he was going to
19:51
Speaker 1: be the starter in two Hausan twine and this accelerates
19:54
Speaker 1: the process. Uh, they thought that maybe there was a
19:56
Speaker 1: chance this would happen and they're preparing for it. But
19:59
Speaker 1: they I'm sure they thought we'd really have this happen
20:02
Speaker 1: in two thousand twenty and happened now. Um, he will
20:06
Speaker 1: have to do something wrong to not start. I would
20:10
Speaker 1: think at this point they wind I shouldn't say wrong,
20:12
Speaker 1: but not developed as they hoped for him not to
20:15
Speaker 1: be the starter. They clearly as soon as the Telvin
20:18
Speaker 1: stuff happen, you started hearing this is going to be
20:20
Speaker 1: our guy. Uh, something unusual left to happen for him
20:23
Speaker 1: not to be the starter. You can tell just by
20:25
Speaker 1: watching this tape. He's used to making plays now. I
20:28
Speaker 1: don't know that he plays with the speed of Telvin,
20:30
Speaker 1: but he's got more size. I mean, Telvin's a guy
20:32
Speaker 1: who's pounds. This is a guy that's two pounds, so
20:35
Speaker 1: he might be more stout against the run. He forces fumbles,
20:38
Speaker 1: he tips passes, intercepts passes, He recovers things and takes
20:42
Speaker 1: them back for touchdowns. The guy's got playmaking ability. I'll
20:45
Speaker 1: remind you Telvin was a fifth round draft pick, probably
20:48
Speaker 1: would have been a third just like this kid if
20:50
Speaker 1: he hadn't tested positive at the combine that year. Hunter
20:53
Speaker 1: tackles interception for a touchdown, two sacks too, forced fumbles
20:57
Speaker 1: in a fumble recovery because it's and probably that this
21:00
Speaker 1: kid can do it. Yeah, let's keep you in perspective too.
21:05
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey a J boy A. The defensive line would
21:08
Speaker 1: just listed off and defense. This is a loaded defense
21:13
Speaker 1: when you have a defense this loaded. Kelvin Smith week
21:18
Speaker 1: side linebacker, he's a top notch player when he's right. Uh,
21:24
Speaker 1: but weeks side linebacker is not a position that you
21:28
Speaker 1: have to have a Pro Bowl eight level guy to
21:32
Speaker 1: be a great defense. If these other spots play, uh
21:35
Speaker 1: play while we're talking about Quincy Williams will have time
21:38
Speaker 1: to just be a playmaker, run all over the field guy,
21:40
Speaker 1: and a franker. For the last eight games last season,
21:45
Speaker 1: that Kelvin Smith wasn't going to be an asset for
21:48
Speaker 1: this team. He did not play well. Now the two
21:51
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen Talvit Smith did he come back? Then you're
21:54
Speaker 1: talking about a loss. But I don't think they dropped
21:56
Speaker 1: very much from the version that played late last season
21:58
Speaker 1: because he struggled well, unfair and though he did make
22:00
Speaker 1: the big play out here that stopped the Colds drive.
22:03
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, he had the pick six in Miami, which
22:06
Speaker 1: was not again a huge game in terms of impact
22:08
Speaker 1: and things like that. So he made some plays last year,
22:11
Speaker 1: but overall he wasn't nearly the same guy that he
22:13
Speaker 1: was and that team is awful. But you can replace
22:17
Speaker 1: the version it was playing at the end of the
22:19
Speaker 1: last sea. You can replace him with that kid, right absolutely.
22:22
Speaker 1: All right, Let's go to the other side of the ball.
22:23
Speaker 1: The offensive depth chart as Jaguars dot Com sees it
22:26
Speaker 1: in training camp. Let's take a look quarterback. Obviously Nick Foles,
22:31
Speaker 1: the guy you paid running back Leonard for nets depending
22:34
Speaker 1: on health. Wide receiver Marquise Lee, Dede Westbrook Titans, Josh
22:37
Speaker 1: Oliver and Jeff Swain. That's where things get interesting. Guys
22:40
Speaker 1: offensive line, Cam Robinson, Andrew Norwell, Brandon Lender, A j
22:44
Speaker 1: Can and Juwan Taylor Tighten. It's very obvious during ots
22:48
Speaker 1: that those are one and two right now. Yeah, I
22:50
Speaker 1: think they're the guys. Think. I think where it's going
22:52
Speaker 1: to be interesting is wide receiver. We have two listed.
22:56
Speaker 1: I kind of look at the wide receiver position Brian
22:59
Speaker 1: and inc for I'm not sure which is four' gonna
23:04
Speaker 1: start thinky West is gonna start, but I'm really not
23:06
Speaker 1: sure after that. Mark Easley had be very surprised. He
23:09
Speaker 1: starts the opener, just gonna think, give me we brought
23:11
Speaker 1: along slowly. But what happens after that? Chart Conley, Lee,
23:16
Speaker 1: even Cole, I think that's going to be a position
23:19
Speaker 1: that really plays that. I think. I think Goshlan's right.
23:21
Speaker 1: I think I think the two tight ends are dead,
23:22
Speaker 1: Soild wants to be the starters. Yeah, it's so distinct
23:25
Speaker 1: when you watch those two guys, those two on the
23:27
Speaker 1: practice field, you know neither one was here last year,
23:30
Speaker 1: and both of them are better, make more plays, flash
23:33
Speaker 1: more than the two guys that were here. O'Shaughnessy and Koyak.
23:37
Speaker 1: Here's what strikes me looking at the depth chart, the
23:39
Speaker 1: Jaguars first four draft picks this year are all plugged
23:42
Speaker 1: into starting rules. Now. Josh Allen is more of a
23:45
Speaker 1: rotational starter, and we're doing the plugging in here because
23:49
Speaker 1: this is not their official depth chart. But first round
23:51
Speaker 1: pick is going to be an impact player. Your second
23:53
Speaker 1: round pick is going to be your starting right tackle.
23:55
Speaker 1: Your third round pick is going to be your starting
23:56
Speaker 1: tight end, and your fourth well, he was your sec
24:00
Speaker 1: and third top of the fourth essentially is going to
24:02
Speaker 1: be your weak side linebacker. Hey, if those guys all start,
24:05
Speaker 1: that's some good draft. That's draft long as they're all
24:08
Speaker 1: good players. But you know that's some smart drafting. That's
24:11
Speaker 1: just because they started, that's true. But I would think
24:14
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24:16
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24:20
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24:21
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24:27
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24:37
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24:42
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24:45
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Speaker 1: Mandatory Practice, how the Jaguars not drafted in Ed Rusher
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Speaker 1: with the number seven overall pick. Yeah. I get why
27:22
Speaker 1: when you're looking at this you would think that as
27:26
Speaker 1: a factor. But when you really dig deeper into it.
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Speaker 1: I don't think Josh Allen being selected made unique mad again, Brian,
27:36
Speaker 1: I can understand how on the surface you could see
27:40
Speaker 1: that and think, okay, well they drafted his replacement. He
27:43
Speaker 1: doesn't like that, so he's at But I think those
27:45
Speaker 1: two are separate issues. He's not here because he wants
27:48
Speaker 1: a new contract, uh, separate from the fact that they
27:52
Speaker 1: drafted Josh at Well, let me take it from the
27:53
Speaker 1: other angle. He would have more leverage in my educated
27:56
Speaker 1: opinion if they had not drafted Josh Allen to hold out,
28:01
Speaker 1: because they wouldn't have that edge rusher in camp. Right,
28:05
Speaker 1: he would be staying away and saying, see what you're missing?
28:08
Speaker 1: You don't have anyone like me. Well, now they've got
28:11
Speaker 1: Josh Allen who plays the same spot and is bigger, longer,
28:17
Speaker 1: you know, probably more the prototypical edge rusher, and he's
28:22
Speaker 1: in camp. See, I think him being drafted, he would
28:25
Speaker 1: send me into camp because I want to hold my own.
28:28
Speaker 1: That's not the again. My guess is that may come
28:31
Speaker 1: into play in training camp once the pads go on.
28:34
Speaker 1: What he's missing now is in camp. So what happens
28:37
Speaker 1: you think in camp? Then if a deal doesn't get done,
28:39
Speaker 1: you think he shows up day one, and that's a
28:40
Speaker 1: million dollar question. I would have thought so, by the
28:44
Speaker 1: way he spoke at the beginning O t A. S Um,
28:47
Speaker 1: I would think he would. But I thought he would
28:51
Speaker 1: be here for this too. You know, it's interesting you
28:52
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, and you're right. He doesn't have the financial
28:57
Speaker 1: comfort level that Jalen Ramsey does because he didn't get
29:00
Speaker 1: a number five overall contract. So he's leaving money on
29:03
Speaker 1: the table. But he's not leaving seven million dollars on
29:06
Speaker 1: the table if he holds out right. He's leaving what
29:08
Speaker 1: probably one million one point to something. So so for him,
29:14
Speaker 1: he might be able to sit tight and Sam worth
29:16
Speaker 1: more than that, and I'm not going to risk the
29:18
Speaker 1: injury to that. I'll pass on that money to get
29:21
Speaker 1: to a contract and I'll wait until they come to
29:25
Speaker 1: He's got leverage right now. The Jaguars have leverage right now.
29:28
Speaker 1: It's a really interesting point. They've got the seventh overall
29:31
Speaker 1: pick from the draft. He's got twenty nine and a
29:34
Speaker 1: half sacks in three years. Who's gonna blink first? Yeah,
29:37
Speaker 1: And it would be interesting because there the other side
29:40
Speaker 1: of that is, I don't think it's gonna get to this.
29:43
Speaker 1: But if he starts taking the approach of well I'm
29:45
Speaker 1: going to approve, I'm gonna go sign somewhere else, Well,
29:50
Speaker 1: you can't if he holds out this seat. I'm saying,
29:54
Speaker 1: holdout this season long. He still needs a good season
29:57
Speaker 1: this year. If if nothing happens before this year, he
30:01
Speaker 1: still needs a good season this year to have a contracts.
30:04
Speaker 1: So he could hold out all season and not go
30:06
Speaker 1: sign anywhere else and it's not gonna happen. Yeah, I
30:09
Speaker 1: don't hold out all season, but well I can't. I
30:11
Speaker 1: can't see it. I'm saying he needs to be in camp,
30:14
Speaker 1: but he he needs to have another big year. If
30:17
Speaker 1: he doesn't sign the contract before this season and it's
30:20
Speaker 1: next offseason, he doesn't want to go into that with
30:23
Speaker 1: a six SAX season. He has to play a fourth
30:25
Speaker 1: season in Jacksonville if he wants to get to the
30:27
Speaker 1: big money. Now, he'd liked the big money before having
30:30
Speaker 1: to play that for the obvious reason, right, but he
30:32
Speaker 1: doesn't have as much leverage as they do, and he's
30:34
Speaker 1: right on the cusp right now of being a big
30:36
Speaker 1: time league player. You need that one more year to
30:38
Speaker 1: bounce over the ledge. In my opinion. All right, let's
30:41
Speaker 1: go to JT from Fort Worth, Texas. And so the
30:44
Speaker 1: holdout's plural begin well, and he may be right. Um,
30:51
Speaker 1: this is typically what This is not an unusual thing
30:55
Speaker 1: when you've drafted good players and you don't have a
30:59
Speaker 1: wide open salary cap. I mean, this is the reality
31:01
Speaker 1: of the NFL. Things have to fit, puzzle pieces have
31:05
Speaker 1: to go in. This is not as easy a decision.
31:09
Speaker 1: I keep getting from people say, well, they paid all
31:11
Speaker 1: these guys before they gave boy A money three years
31:15
Speaker 1: ago or tw years ago, they gave them Lee Jackson,
31:16
Speaker 1: all this money they gave so Blake and all this.
31:19
Speaker 1: The salary cap was much more wide open with many
31:21
Speaker 1: the decisions. So these are different decisions. Yeah, you're probably
31:26
Speaker 1: gonna have some holdouts and some and some conflict at
31:29
Speaker 1: this point because there's players you want to sign, but
31:33
Speaker 1: you may not want to sign for as much as
31:34
Speaker 1: they want. So the process of making those numbers meet
31:39
Speaker 1: is not as easy as saying, sure, you know, we'll
31:41
Speaker 1: give you. You know, where's the hundred million dollars keep getting,
31:43
Speaker 1: you know, pay the man, pay the man. Pay. Well,
31:46
Speaker 1: It's not as easy as just like when you walk
31:48
Speaker 1: in the Peacabs office and say I want a million dollars? Well,
31:53
Speaker 1: is that? Just pay Ashley? It's okay, what can we
31:55
Speaker 1: make this for it? So it's not as easy as
31:58
Speaker 1: John right Well and shatter. A couple of thoughts on this.
32:01
Speaker 1: The first is, um, they didn't have these problems and
32:04
Speaker 1: people aren't used to dealing with him when the Jaguars
32:06
Speaker 1: didn't draft very well. Right Uh. Every team in the
32:09
Speaker 1: league handles this. Everybody deals with the holdouts. The second
32:13
Speaker 1: point is you can't keep everybody. Football is a game
32:16
Speaker 1: of replacement, not maintenance. Guys get older contracts, get heavier, salary,
32:21
Speaker 1: cap grows, but still it's a game of replacement. Now
32:25
Speaker 1: you want the ultimate leverage. No one wants to hear
32:27
Speaker 1: this because everyone think Jennie and a half sacks get it.
32:30
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's the seventh overall pick in the draft, thought
32:34
Speaker 1: to be a special player. You have the leverage as
32:37
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. You don't have to pay unique. You might
32:40
Speaker 1: not be able to pay him what you want and
32:42
Speaker 1: keep the other pieces in place. You wanted Nick Foles,
32:45
Speaker 1: you got him. He's a hundred million dollar contract. That
32:48
Speaker 1: takes away from your ability to sign someone else. And
32:50
Speaker 1: maybe that someone else is unique. Now you can go
32:53
Speaker 1: and blame me. Well, they wouldn't have that problem if
32:55
Speaker 1: they hadn't paid like Bordles, water under the bridge, deal
32:57
Speaker 1: with the here and the now, unique and pay want
33:00
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33:04
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33:07
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33:11
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33:13
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33:16
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33:18
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Speaker 1: All right, let's start top tweets the players sticking up
35:40
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35:43
Speaker 1: And of course the number one guy is Jalen Ramsey
35:46
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35:50
Speaker 1: brother get what he has earned. Pay him at Jaguars
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35:57
Speaker 1: Unique and Gockway. Unique and Gockway retweeall of this stuff,
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36:06
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36:11
Speaker 1: And by the way, and yeah, and Unique is well regarded,
36:15
Speaker 1: well respected, good guy in the locker room. Um, that's
36:19
Speaker 1: not This is no surprise whatsoever. However, Jalen, it's easy
36:23
Speaker 1: to spend other people's money, right, It's really easy to
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Speaker 1: be able to say, just pay him well. And the
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Speaker 1: numbers say twenty nine and a half sacks. Pay him,
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Speaker 1: But what is the overall cap strategies say, how do
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Speaker 1: we keep the best players on this team together for
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Speaker 1: the longest period of time? Right, And nobody in the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars organization, and nobody's sitting at this desk made me
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Speaker 1: prian or Ashal think that he shouldn't get paid. He
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Speaker 1: definitely earned the money getting paid. He's earned a huge raise.
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Speaker 1: I think the question for the Jaguars is how huge.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I don't know if they're willing
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Speaker 1: to go to twenty. I think that's where the rub is.
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Speaker 1: That's what he wants, right, right, So again, it's not
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Speaker 1: a question where I think he should be paid more.
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Speaker 1: And that's why it's had a question pay man, pay pay.
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Speaker 1: It's a question of how much can you pay the man?
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Speaker 1: You know you can you go to this point and yeah,
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Speaker 1: in Saint since January, it's it's a tougher issue then
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Speaker 1: the fans want it to be. And it's made tougher
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Speaker 1: by the presence of Jalen Ramsey because when you look
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Speaker 1: at the markets, Lawrence, who got paid big dollars in Dallas,
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Speaker 1: Do they have a twenty million dollar defensive back. They
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Speaker 1: do not. So when you want to start looking at
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Speaker 1: other defenses and what they're paying their corner or they're
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Speaker 1: they're starting pass rushing end, look and find out whether
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Speaker 1: they've got a corner that they have to pay that
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Speaker 1: kind of money or more to as well, and the quarterback,
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Speaker 1: because now there's a twenty million dollar quarterback in town.
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Speaker 1: You have to put all those pieces in place. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's interesting. Whenever you read the articles yesterday about Unique
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Speaker 1: and Gockway, everyone was pointing out the market value for
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Speaker 1: the defense offends and saying, oh, well, Dallas paid this
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Speaker 1: and all these other teams paid this. But it is
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Speaker 1: true that you're not looking at the entire roster when
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Speaker 1: you're looking at that. No. No, and to be fair,
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Speaker 1: you're looking at Joey Bosa has one fewer sack, right,
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Speaker 1: that was a prominent tweet student. These these are not
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Speaker 1: the same player, right, he has sacks, but Unique is
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Speaker 1: not the three down defensive end stout against the run
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Speaker 1: guy that Joey Bose is. They're not the same. He
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Speaker 1: is what he is, which is probably a seventeen million
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Speaker 1: dollar a year guy. But when you're talking about three
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Speaker 1: different things, it's a completely different thing. Speaking of the
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Speaker 1: presence of Jalen Ramsey, there is no other presence and
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Speaker 1: trance more Jalen like then this yesterday morning when he
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Speaker 1: showed up to Jaguar's media day, and the top sweet
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Speaker 1: is of course Leonard for Nett poking some fun at
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Speaker 1: Jalen Rams, which we always enjoy. I have so many questions. One,
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Speaker 1: you made an intro video of yourself walking into the stadium.
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Speaker 1: Did you really lock the car door to a car
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Speaker 1: that's drop top? Why the baby sky blue sweatsuit? Just
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Speaker 1: why you ugly bleep boy? And it's true he drove
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Speaker 1: up a convertible and locked the car when a convert
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Speaker 1: we'll top was still down. New Adida's deal track suit
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Speaker 1: the whole nine yards. There are some criminals out there
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Speaker 1: that would stop, Yeah, that they couldn't figure that part out,
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Speaker 1: that would really throw them through a loop. I like
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Speaker 1: the blue Yeah, and this is a Max Hawkman production.
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Speaker 1: By the way, no other production involving Jalen does not
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Speaker 1: include Max Hawkman. Shocking, isn't it. So I guess he's
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Speaker 1: working for AIDS. Yeah, I guess that's the breaking news.
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Speaker 1: So we're gonna hear from the Adida's man later on
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Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot Com Press conference. Wrapping up practice number
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Speaker 1: one day for veteran mandatory mini camp, and we won't
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Speaker 1: be back until training camp. So John and Brian saying
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Speaker 1: your goodbyes. I'm gonna you guys, you won't. I'll see
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Speaker 1: you back here in training camp. On the Jaguars Digital
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