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2/11/26: Cuba Regime Change, Trump Threatens Iran, Nest Surveillance, AIPAC Crushed In NJ · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 3: According to President Donald Trump, we are in high level
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  Speaker 3: negotiations with Cuban officials. According to Cuban officials, that's not
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  Speaker 3: happening at all. Let's roll Donald Trump from last weekend.
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  Speaker 1: What do you want out of.
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  Speaker 4: A Cuban deal?
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  Speaker 3: Well, Cuba is a failing nation.
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  Speaker 5: It has been for a long time, but now it
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  Speaker 5: doesn't have Venezuela and all prop it up.
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  Speaker 6: So we're talking to the people from Cube, the highest
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  Speaker 6: people in Cuba. Let's see what happens.
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  Speaker 7: I want the people that can here that we're horribly
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  Speaker 7: created by Cuba.
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  Speaker 5: To be taken care of, to be able to go
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  Speaker 5: back and do what they have to do.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they have their family there.
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  Speaker 8: They haven't been able.
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  Speaker 5: To sum in years, many many years.
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  Speaker 6: So I think we're going to make a deal with Cuba.
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  Speaker 5: Cubana, Cuba is a humanitarian Probably.
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  Speaker 3: This set up a very odd situation where you had
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  Speaker 3: both publicly, you had top Cuban officials saying they're not
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  Speaker 3: talks happening, and privately the drop site, multiple Cuban officials
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  Speaker 3: told us we would love to have talks about everything, democracy,
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  Speaker 3: human rights, foreign direct foreign investment, Trump, Havana, like you
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  Speaker 3: name it.
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  Speaker 4: There they are.
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  Speaker 3: They see that the objective conditions are changing, and they
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  Speaker 3: are open to negotiations, like we will talk.
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  Speaker 6: If you can do Mara Gaza, why not turn some
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  Speaker 6: of that investment towards Havannah.
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  Speaker 9: I mean all seriousness.
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  Speaker 6: People like when you have Jared Kushner out at dot
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  Speaker 6: being like, here's my slide.
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  Speaker 3: Show, rightes, Yeah, exactly, and so so a senior Administration
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  Speaker 3: official told us we were like, why is Trump saying that?
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  Speaker 3: He said quote, He's saying that because that's what Marco
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  Speaker 3: is telling him. So According to our sources, Marco Rubio
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  Speaker 3: is telling Trump, yes, there are these high level negotiations
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  Speaker 3: going on, with the idea being that in a couple
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  Speaker 3: of weeks or a couple of months, he'll say, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we tried and it didn't.
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  Speaker 10: It didn't happen. They were Ricalca trant.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you can't trust these these commies, so we
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  Speaker 3: just need to do you know, complete and total regime change.
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  Speaker 3: He wanted to do complete regime change in Venezuela. He
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  Speaker 3: lost that argument, but he did get rid of Maduro.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't want to just replace the president of Cuba
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  Speaker 3: with another president from the communist party.
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  Speaker 6: Well, and that's a significant distinction between Venezuela and Cuba
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  Speaker 6: at this point. I mean, Cuba has and you can
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  Speaker 6: explain this better, but the odds that if you tap
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  Speaker 6: in somebody in Cuba, you don't necessarily have a compliant
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  Speaker 6: Delca Rodriguez in Cuba because you have this like vast infrastructure.
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  Speaker 10: Although at this point you might like because there's that's
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  Speaker 10: the question, they're so.
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  Speaker 6: Beaten down right, But I mean, like Cuba has a
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  Speaker 6: decades long tradition of communists, the.
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  Speaker 4: One party state.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, uh so Trump has cut off all oil.
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  Speaker 3: He is, and he he told Mexico, if you're sending oil,
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  Speaker 3: you're getting tariffed and sanctioned. And so Cuba has responded
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  Speaker 3: by cut, you know, cutting fuel to significant parts of
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  Speaker 3: the island, focusing on the tourist area where that brings
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  Speaker 3: in hard currency and nursing homes and hospitals. They're trying
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  Speaker 3: to scale up solar panel installations as fast as they
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  Speaker 3: possibly can. But it's it's dire, like it's it's a
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  Speaker 3: crisis level situation.
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  Speaker 10: Now it's now what's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Into this confusing situation came a report that there were
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  Speaker 3: actually talks going on between Cuban officials and the CIA
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  Speaker 3: in Mexico. And and look, let me be extremely clear,
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  Speaker 3: that is possible. The CIA is capable of doing things
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  Speaker 3: secretly that I am not immediately able to discover that
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  Speaker 3: it is possible. Like, there are rumors out there that
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  Speaker 3: John Radcliffe met with Rold Castro's son, Like that's that's
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  Speaker 3: a rumor that's out there.
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  Speaker 4: It might be true.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know where Radcliffe is every
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  Speaker 3: single thing, Okay, so just saying that might be true,
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  Speaker 3: I thought he was your boss.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he runs all of this.
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  Speaker 3: So but where where does the where does this news
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  Speaker 3: actually come from? So let's put up this next elements.
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  Speaker 3: This is an amazing kind of meta media story because
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna we're going to talk about how kind of
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  Speaker 3: news becomes news. So Politico wrote this article slash newsletter
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  Speaker 3: with the headline could a Castro become our man in Havana?
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  Speaker 3: And it's about these meetings between Raul Castro's the alleged
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  Speaker 3: meetings between rules Raoul's Castro's son and the CIA happening
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  Speaker 3: down in Mexico. But then, if you read through the
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  Speaker 3: Politico report, here's basically a timeline of how this happens
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  Speaker 3: to so February seconds political reports published to go backwards
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  Speaker 3: February second article in fourteen y medio that basically reports
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  Speaker 3: that these talks are happening. That's by a kind of
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  Speaker 3: dissident blogger who lives in Havana and well known, well
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  Speaker 3: known blogger who was critical of the government.
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  Speaker 10: She had written that these talks were happening.
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  Speaker 3: But then if you read through her post and you
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  Speaker 3: click through it, you get to a January thirty first
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  Speaker 3: post by Carlos Cabrera Perez. This timeline is incredible, but
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  Speaker 3: on Facebook published in Spain. So this is a Spanish
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  Speaker 3: There's a Cuban guy who lives in Spain and if
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  Speaker 3: you read through I don't know if we have his
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  Speaker 3: post here or not. If you read through his posts
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  Speaker 3: you can find it linked to an art. Sorry, it
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  Speaker 3: is complete and total gibberish. In fact, if you have
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  Speaker 3: if you have any thoughts on that, I'll see if
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  Speaker 3: I can find I'll find that.
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  Speaker 8: Well.
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  Speaker 6: No, it's I mean, like you were saying, it's a
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  Speaker 6: quite a window into how news becomes news and how
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  Speaker 6: things snowball like that. I mean, even so, it's pretty
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  Speaker 6: This is pretty egregious. I know you see this stuff
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  Speaker 6: from time to time, but this is pretty egregious.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is so, Carlos writes on Facebook Exclusive
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  Speaker 3: Breaking News General castro Espin. This is Alejandro katz or Espin,
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  Speaker 3: who is Robel's son. Don't put his first name in
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  Speaker 3: there or whatever. It returns to Havana, awaiting a response
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  Speaker 3: from the White House.
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  Speaker 4: Cuban, he writes.
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  Speaker 3: Cuban in the United States concluded this morning local time
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  Speaker 3: their first round of talks in Mexico with a quote
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  Speaker 3: principle of agreement to initiate a transition to Democra, the
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  Speaker 3: pending final approval of the White House. Unquote, reported a
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  Speaker 3: source close to the government of Cloudias Shinbaum, who was
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  Speaker 3: who has followed the plastics without participating in them. He'll
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  Speaker 3: return this weekend to Havana. He's transferred to a senior
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  Speaker 3: CIA official. And it's like, I can't read it. I
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  Speaker 3: can't read this. It's like, you know, so like kind
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  Speaker 3: of incoherent and weird and.
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  Speaker 4: The like.
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  Speaker 3: If you go through this, you're like, Okay, this is
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  Speaker 3: just kind of Facebook slop. This is just total gibberish,
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  Speaker 3: Like like I said, maybe Ratcliffe is meeting with Audre.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, ye, I certainly would not base it
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  Speaker 3: on this article. So this article then gets turned into
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  Speaker 3: a dissident article in Cuba, Politico picks it up, and
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  Speaker 3: then in Washington it's like, oh, these talks are happening.
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  Speaker 10: I guess these talks are happening. We put up this
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  Speaker 10: next alum.
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  Speaker 3: So I reached out to Politico and I was like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: but just curious, like, did you guys have any information
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  Speaker 3: that whether these talks are happening or not? And the
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  Speaker 3: comment I got back from Politico is quote. As the
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  Speaker 3: item makes clear, Politico was highlighting chatter about talks, not
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  Speaker 3: reporting that talks had in fact taken place. Incredible Again,
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  Speaker 3: maybe the talks are happening, but Politico is like, I'm
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  Speaker 3: sorry you you thought that we were reporting something that
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  Speaker 3: was happening.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no no, it was a metastory, a
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  Speaker 4: meta story about chatter. It was chatter about talks.
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  Speaker 3: Just relax, right, So, and the US spends tens of
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  Speaker 3: millions of dollars every year funding these like dissident publications
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  Speaker 3: around the world.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, we're arguably, I mean I don't even I
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  Speaker 6: haven't looked at the numbers yet, but that's probably the
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  Speaker 6: bare bones remaining operation of USAI d.
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  Speaker 3: YES because they got shut down and Rubio came back
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  Speaker 3: in and saved all of that propaganda money. Now fourteen
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  Speaker 3: y medio doesn't no evidence that they get it, but
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  Speaker 3: other outlets that do get it, like picked then picked
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  Speaker 3: up on this reporting.
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  Speaker 9: Or people who were talking chatter.
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  Speaker 4: So the US.
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  Speaker 3: Funds, through this NED, which is CIA cut out, funds
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  Speaker 3: these news outlets which like the source like some Facebook
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  Speaker 3: slop and turn it into an article. And then Politico says, well,
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  Speaker 3: there's chatter and it's news anyway. So maybe there's talks,
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  Speaker 3: there's not talks, but we certainly have no way of
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  Speaker 3: knowing from what we're being told.
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  Speaker 6: Meanwhile, a mayor of a marezuela, if we call it
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  Speaker 6: that is now we can put this last element up
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  Speaker 6: on the screen, sending oil to Israel.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: So yes, the US controls Venezuela's oil flows now and
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  Speaker 3: through a middleman is brokering oil sales from Venezuela to Israel.
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  Speaker 3: As the Venezuela and the current Venezuelan presidents that they're
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  Speaker 3: committing a genocide, we should not do business with them.
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  Speaker 10: Trump's like, I don't care what you want to do.
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  Speaker 10: I'm in charge.
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  Speaker 6: Well, if Venezuela is a template for potential activities in
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  Speaker 6: Q but which obviously we are already talking about some
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  Speaker 6: of the distinctions that are significant.
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  Speaker 9: But if Trump sees some type of.
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  Speaker 6: Limited operation where you end up with the vice president
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  Speaker 6: in charge and a two year timetable or whatever they've
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  Speaker 6: landed on in Venezuela towards democratic elections allegedly, then I
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  Speaker 6: mean it's obvious. I'm just purely talking about this from
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  Speaker 6: a political perspective.
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  Speaker 9: We've talked about this before.
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  Speaker 6: Imagine Trump sitting next to Raoul Castro watching a baseball game,
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  Speaker 6: and it wouldn't be Raoul Castro now, but like that's
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  Speaker 6: what Obama did and the write freaked out. You can
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  Speaker 6: see Trump doing that right, Like, you could see Trump
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  Speaker 6: easily doing something like that and understanding that he could
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  Speaker 6: transform Havana back into what Roy Kohane and the people
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  Speaker 6: Trump spent time with in the seventies and eighties remembered
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  Speaker 6: from the forties and fifties. And again, this is not
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  Speaker 6: a statement on whether that's good or bad. I'm just
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  Speaker 6: saying the political opportunity for a thaw with Donald Trump right.
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  Speaker 9: Off the coast where he has his own resorts.
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  Speaker 3: Not only that, as we reported in the piece, and
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  Speaker 3: I think it was eight, Trump registered the Trump Havanna
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  Speaker 3: trademark and he has been re upping it every year.
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  Speaker 9: That's fascinating.
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  Speaker 4: So Trump is no.
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  Speaker 3: Stranger to the potential benefits to American companies of ending
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  Speaker 3: this blockade. And I keep hearing people online communism worked,
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  Speaker 3: why does it have to ryle in the United States.
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  Speaker 3: The US is blocking Mexico and Venezuela from sending oil
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  Speaker 3: to Cuba. Like that is not just America not trading
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  Speaker 3: with Cuba. They're not letting anybody trade with Cuba. And
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  Speaker 3: they call them a state sponsor of terrorism, and so
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  Speaker 3: that means that basically nobody in Europe or South America
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  Speaker 3: anywhere else can do business with them because then they
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  Speaker 3: will then get sanctioned. The latest thing they're saying is
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: that there's actually hesbal and Hamas. Yeah, Russian and China
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  Speaker 3: because they have their they're a little bit immune from sanctions.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: The latest thing is actually Cuba is like a hot
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  Speaker 3: bed of like safe haven for HESBLA and Hamas, which
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: is like, what are you talking about? It turns out
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  Speaker 3: there's like some Palestinian students.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Know Palestinians here in United States? Are we a hot
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  Speaker 3: bed of like HESBLA?
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  Speaker 9: You know how they would answer that question?
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  Speaker 6: Like the little lawsuit against Ramesa, Oster wrote with the.
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  Speaker 3: Answer was thrown out, by the way, Yeah, some good
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  Speaker 3: news just yesterday, Yeah, the judge said drop this against this,
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  Speaker 3: she wrote.
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  Speaker 4: She co authored on off Ed Get off.
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  Speaker 3: Of her to boycott literally the best support of a
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  Speaker 3: tough support of a student Senate resolution that passed.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so anyway you know how you had that question
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  Speaker 6: would be answered. But I mean you and I would
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  Speaker 6: disagree on potential nat SC threats that come from Cuba
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  Speaker 6: if it's still hardened against the United States with Russia
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  Speaker 6: and China. But but that's why there's an argument a conservative,
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  Speaker 6: are you wan even for a thaw with CB But
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  Speaker 6: it's actually kind of the argument Obama made.
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  Speaker 4: They don't want this, doesn't want this, and it's.
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  Speaker 9: Not good for anyone.
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  Speaker 6: All right, right, let's go ahead now and talk about Iran.
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  Speaker 3: So Benjamin Yahoo, I guess who's back. I'm back in
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  Speaker 3: Washington yesterday. There's this weird thing that he does where
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  Speaker 3: he always brings his dirty laundry. I think that clearly
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  Speaker 3: he's just filling it with like listening devices because he's
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: been busted and Israeli the delegations have been busted like
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  Speaker 3: inserting listening devices all over the place, including who is
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  Speaker 3: the British Prime Minister Boris?
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  Speaker 4: What's his name?
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  Speaker 3: Who they bor was like, yeah, I caught like bugging my.
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  Speaker 9: Bathroom, like so many such cases.
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  Speaker 3: Basically, if Nana is really bringing his dirty laundry here,
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  Speaker 3: he hasn't had to pay for his own laundry for
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: because for the last year, because like diplomats and you know,
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  Speaker 3: visiting delegations, will we have this thing where we'll wash
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: wash your laundry for free. So anyway, he's back again.
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  Speaker 3: He's back when we put this element on the screen.
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  Speaker 3: He's back because he wants much a much more robust
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  Speaker 3: attack on Iran. He's very frustrated that these talks are
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  Speaker 3: still happening. So Barock Revied called Trump yesterday. Trump picks
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  Speaker 3: up when Barack re calls, I love it, uh and says, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I might send a second carrier strike group right now.
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  Speaker 10: We've got that Abraham Lincoln out there. But I'm gonna
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  Speaker 10: hit him so hard.
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  Speaker 3: You know they're they're not gonna they're not gonna know
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  Speaker 3: what could you know possibly hit them?
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  Speaker 4: He put up E two.
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  Speaker 6: My favorite, by the way, I always mentioned this is
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  Speaker 6: when Zelenski is taking a question from Barack Revied and says,
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  Speaker 6: you always seem to know what's said on my phone, calls.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, no shape, this guy's scoot machine.
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  Speaker 9: Well who was wasn't the idea.
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  Speaker 3: Of uh, everybody, everybody in Israel who's Jewish has to
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  Speaker 3: do idef I think he did.
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  Speaker 4: Some type of intelligence.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean he was a reserve and he, you know,
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  Speaker 3: uh publicly said during the protests around net Yahu's attempt
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  Speaker 3: to take over the courts that like he joined the
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: reservists strike. He's like, I'm not going to serve as
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: long as you're trying to take over the courts. So
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: there are lines, and he's willing to draw.
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  Speaker 4: So put up. E two is from New York Post.
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  Speaker 3: Nervous net Yaho pushes pushes up trip to d C
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  Speaker 3: for high stakes Trump talk as US huddles with a.
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  Speaker 4: Run So nan Ya was supposed to come later.
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  Speaker 3: But according to the New York Post and other reporting,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he's he's frustrated that the attacks haven't happened yet,
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  Speaker 3: or that Trump isn't sufficiently carrying Israel's water in these negotiations.
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: Because Trump keeps saying.
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  Speaker 3: That these are nuclear talks and that he wants an
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  Speaker 3: agreement around Iran's nuclear weapons. We've been told that that's
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  Speaker 3: the big problem for a very long time. Yaho is saying, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: it's not just that you also have to make them
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  Speaker 3: get rid of their ballistic missile program, which would mean
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  Speaker 3: that and and limit them so that they couldn't reach Israel,
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  Speaker 3: which would mean that it would allow Israel then to
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  Speaker 3: attack Iran whenever it wanted, and Iran could not defend
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  Speaker 3: itself by by firing missiles.
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  Speaker 4: Back at Israel.
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  Speaker 3: They also want Nennah also wants Iran to stop supporting
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  Speaker 3: Hamas Hezbola and the other kind of degraded proxies that
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  Speaker 3: they have in the region. And so nen Yahu's saying,
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  Speaker 3: if you if they don't agree to all these conditions,
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  Speaker 3: which not like if you're iron, would you agree to
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  Speaker 3: basically disarm.
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  Speaker 4: No, So they're not going to agree.
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  Speaker 3: They're not going to agree to that, And so then
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  Speaker 3: he wants Trump to bomb them again on Israel's bath.
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  Speaker 6: Well, and so this is I think one of the
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  Speaker 6: significant points is you have nets and Yahu, who was
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  Speaker 6: urging obviously urging US action in the Twelve Day War,
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: got his wish, and lots of now who allies in
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  Speaker 6: her own government, got their wishes.
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  Speaker 9: Trump is very proud of Operation Midnight Hammer.
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  Speaker 6: So to make this argument that there's still a nuclear
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  Speaker 6: Iranian threat undercuts the argument Trump made for Midnight Hammer.
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  Speaker 6: And so that's the disconnect that needs to be explained
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  Speaker 6: to Trump in case.
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  Speaker 3: Keep telling you that it was the most beautiful thing,
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  Speaker 3: and the pilots were so proud. And then CNN said
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: they missed and the pilot's cried, and that was so
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: rude of CNN treeson us. They should be locked up
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: and look, and so now Netanyahuo's like going to make
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: the pilots cry again.
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: Well, you remember, I mean, the week after Midnight Hammer,
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: the conversation or the debate was over exactly how much
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: damage was done to the nuclear sites, and there were
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: one conflicting reports all over the place, and it started
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: to look, I mean, the administration's claims to have had
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: this generational white out that set Iran back years and
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: years that was already dubious at the time. And now
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: you Haventyah who essentially making that same argument again. Right,
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: so Trump who was touting this generational wipeout of Iran's
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: nuclear technology.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: And and also you you've had Netanyah who privately admit
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: in meeting minutes that have since been leaked and made
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: public that Iran was years away from a bomb. When
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: when Netanyahu talks on the American media, he says he
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: would say that there were days or weeks away, and
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: we need to move now. When he speaks privately, they're
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: years away, right, So there were years away before those
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: beautiful B one bombers and then in the brilliant bombers
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: and out their mission.
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: This was the argument at the time that the goalpost
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: is always being shifted, Yes, always being shifted. So you
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: can risk starting a game of nuclear chess over claims
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: that are going to change, you know, a week later,
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: even if you do it.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Right right, and you can imagine anyway.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: So, uh, Trump is meeting with Wick, Coff and Kushner.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Ahead of this meeting, we'll see I want to watch polymarket.
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: See who's putting any money down. Maybe that's Wick Cooff
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: gets some.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: With the Wick boys here.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so well there'll be I'm sure interesting press conference
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: later in the in the Oval office.
• 19:31
  Speaker 9: Well no, so it's closed door.
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: This is also interesting because it's a midterm year and
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: the argument, seemingly from the.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Wild they're not going to do the spray and all that.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, seemingly the argument from the Wilds camp is that
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: there's been too much, well too much focus on foreign
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: policy and that Trump was constantly having foreign dignitaries you
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: hear this, Margier Tayler Green in and out and making
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: big shows of it because Trump loves looking like he's
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: the alpha in these pressers.
• 19:57
  Speaker 9: But today's meeting so far is closed door.
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: Sometime times that change is literally the last minute, like
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: minute before it's set to happen.
• 20:03
  Speaker 10: So we'll see you're going to be there.
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: I was at the last one and it was so
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: crowded and they took one question or something like that,
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: so I feel like it's not entirely worth my time.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: So some interesting developments in the the Nancy Guthrie, Yes, kidnapping,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: so speaking of espionage, yeah and so, and things are
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: coming together in an interesting way for a ring. Ring
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: had this super Bowl ad where they're like, hey, we're
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: watching everybody and we'll find your puppy.
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: Well, let's actually just roll it. Yeah, we have this ad.
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: You probably caught it during the Super Bowl. Ring Bear
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: in Mind is owned by Amazon. Nest Bear in Mind
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: is owned by Google. So this was Ring's super Bowl
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: ad that rubbed a lot of people rightfully the wrong way.
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: F three.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: This is mil Hetzer family.
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: But every year ten million go missing, and the way
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: we look for them hasn't changed years until now one
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: coast of a dog's photo in the Ring app starts
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: outdoor cameras looking for a match. Search Party from Ring
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: uses AI to help families find lost dogs. Since launch,
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: more than a dog a day has been reunited with
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: their family. Be a hero in your neighborhood with search
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: party available to everyone for free right now, join the
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: neighborhood at Ring dot com.
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: We welcome our overlords. This this is called the pet
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: Protection Panopticon.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Also Mac Mac producer Max is pointing out before the show,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: wasn't it that they said ten million a day, I
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: mean ten million a year are lost? I don't know,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: And they said more than one a day, So roughly
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: four hundred are returned in a year, So four hundred
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: out of ten million. And also of that four hundred,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: like three hundred and fifty were probably found, like you know,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: three doors up right, and we would have found them anyway.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: So out of ten million, like, how many did Ring
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: actually recover?
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well that wouldn't have been found otherwise.
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: And this is about to get really dark because it's
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: the FBI in this Nancy Guthree case, which is horrible
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: and keeps lingering and seems to be picking up The
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: investigation seems to be picking up steam just the last
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: forty eight hours. The FBI released a series of photos
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: and videos yesterday, So this is F one. This is
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: going to be a mashup of some of what was released.
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: So you can see a man in a mask go
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: right up to the NEST camera on Nancy Guthrie's doors
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: and gloves.
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: Looks like a white dude and I would say like.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: Young ish thirties forties, maybe kind of tall, comes in
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: and then ends up actually disabling the camera. So also
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: people saying, looks like, I agree, a gun strapped on him,
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: and of course goes in and then we know there's
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: blood on the porch from News Nations reporting. So someone
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: comes in grabs what looks like he looks like he's
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: grabbing a bird's nest that was behind the actual camera.
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: So comes in and then we know there's blood on
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: the porch. So that does not look good for the
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: prospect of finding Nancy Guthrie, eighty four year old mom
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: of Savannah Guthrie of NBC. And people noticed, huh, this
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: is nest footage, it says Nest on the footage. Interesting
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: because investigators said she did not have a subscription to nest.
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: That was a point made by the Pima County Sheriff,
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: Kris Nanos. He said right after she disappeared that a
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: camera NBC reports a fix to her door had been disconnected,
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: that she did not have a subscription that would have
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: saved video, and that investigators were trying to work with
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: a tech company on the difficult forensic task of recovering
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: any video.
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: Well what does that mean?
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: Because if you don't have a subscription and your camera
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: is disconnected, how could there be any forensic task, even
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: a difficult one that would result in recovering video. So
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: Cash Patel is now saying the FBI got the video
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: from Quote back end Systems. Again, this is a company
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: that is owned by Alphabet. Ring is the competitor owned
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: by Amazon. These are not random small businesses. Yeah, these
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: are defense contracting companies, right that is I mean the
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: pitch is going to be if if this information she's
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: disconnected or whatever, it helps them find Nancy Guthrie. God bless,
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: We're all going to be so happy. It is going
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: to become a pitch, just like the Puppy Ring commercial
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: that you need these everyone put a camera on your door,
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: because we'll be able to scan people's eyes, we'll be
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: able to find people in these emergency situations. Doesn't matter
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: if you have a subscription, we're watching.
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: Yeah, and who's back end the nsas Like.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: It's crazy nice cash would be a little more forthcoming
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: about where this footage came from.
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: Back end systems.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so once again everybody's suspicion feels like these things
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: are listening to me. No, you're crazy. They're not listening
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: to you. Up later admit, yeah, they're actually listening to or.
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: Just disconnected, right if you're worried, just disconnected.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, or yeah, and it's if it's not storing the footage,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: if you don't have a subscription, or if you don't
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: pay for the like higher end subscription. Yep, got my
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: car stolen and the police are like, got the footage?
• 25:27
  Speaker 10: And I was like no, but it turns out maybe
• 25:29
  Speaker 10: they did.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Well, like we don't pay for any Well, now we
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: do the local we pay for everything and don't come
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: anywhere near us, but at the time we did not,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: So I like, no, but so we don't have the
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: footage because we aren't paying for this like storage or whatever.
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: Well, the locales might not the federal government might.
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: To your point, exactly, somebody's got it.
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: Because the local police said, well, she didn't have a subscription,
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: it was disconnected, and then the FBI swoops in a
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: week later and says, we got it from back end systems.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: The argument, of course, is going to be if we
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: find out, they're going to say that it's stored, it's
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: encrypted and only used for training these AI systems or whatever,
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: which is not inocuous.
• 26:10
  Speaker 9: It doesn't even sound innocuous.
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: But that's there's potentially just a capitalist explanation behind all
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: of this. There's probably something darker too if this turns
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: out to be the case, but it's that they're training
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: their AI. Even if you don't have a subscription, they're
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: training their AI and you never have access to it.
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: So insane, insane detail that people were right to pick
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: up on. When you have the local sheriff saying no subscription,
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: is disconnected and then the FBI swooping in a week
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: later and saying we recovered the video. Quite interesting and
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: we'll see this is a new development, so we're gonna
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: have to see how Google responds.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: And speaking of completely insane things, we didn't cover this
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: because we don't know what the f is going on.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: But as you may have seen, the FAI announced that
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: for ten days they're closing the airspace over El Paso.
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: Has happened early this morning.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, now saying that, like what shooting at drones like
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: cartel drones, that's a highly suspicious answer.
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: What on earth is going on in l Pass?
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: So we know that they have the what Camp Montana,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: the massive detention facility inside for Bliss.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: Shutting it all down for ten days?
• 27:21
  Speaker 10: Did they catch aliens?
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Actual aliens, not like illegal like extra I mean, like
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: not from Mexico aliens.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: In about a matter of like two hours, they went
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: from a ten day closure to just a total removal
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: of the FA notice.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: So so it's back open.
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: It's back open.
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: So you can bet Sager will have thoughts on that
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: for tomorrow's edition of Breaking Points. Ryan closes out here
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: with this interview you did with a New Jersey pri.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Americ Canada and so an Alilia Mahea defeated a wide
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: field of candidates, including the like local party boss, including
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: the APAX supported candidate, and including former Representative Tom Malanowski,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: who was who had been pulling slightly ahead, although he
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: was always a very credible candidate in this race because
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: she had the backing of AOC, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Bernie Sanders,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: the entire kind of infrastructure, plus all the mo mentum
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: behind it. There was a moment in the primary for
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: people who were paying close attention to the district that
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: went viral locally and even a little bit nationally. At
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: a care New Jersey forum, all of the candidates were asked,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: in a kind of repeat of the New York Mom
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Donnie debate, if they but they were asked, will you
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: refuse an APAX sponsored a pro Israel lobby sponsored trip
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: to Israel?
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Only?
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: And and do you believe that Israel's committing and genid?
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Let's let's roll that clip because I think you're going
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: to see, like how she kind of separated herself here,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: I showed hands.
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: Who here would publicly it's inclined to participate in a
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: freshman congressional trip to Israel sponsored by proswel Horn efficacy organizations.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Do you agree with the United Nations Commission of Inquiry
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: and many other human rights organizations that Israel has committed
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: a genocide in Gossam?
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Showing the hands?
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: If you agree with the Nation's inquiry that Israel has
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: committed a genocide in Gossen.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Wow, please talk.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Right now, because this is not a fair question because
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: side is dividing world.
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: Okay, so we just dividing wet side of the other.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: And in Jimmy Carter, who's the only person who Thank
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: you Zich.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: You cannot get peace.
• 29:50
  Speaker 8: You cannot peace.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: Si divis sorry, thank you Jose.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: And so last night, while Emily was partying at this
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: YouTube conference, I sat down with an.
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: Alilia may not producers mag and Griffin.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: There's like a conference in DC for like creators. We
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: have to rap soon because Emily's going to do a
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: panel with Sager.
• 30:15
  Speaker 10: Is that right? Who's who's on the panel. Somebody's on
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: the panel in any event.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: So here this is a pre recorded interview from last
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: night with Mahea, who is now on her way. Is
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: the Democratic nominee for this district and the special election
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: is coming up in April against a against the Republican
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: challenger there. She'll then have to recompete for the primary
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: in June. Here's my conversation with Mayhea. Joining us now
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: is Antlilia Mahea, who just yesterday was declared the official
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: victor Tom Malinowski on Tuesday conceded that there wouldn't be
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: enough votes for him to mount a comeback with the
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: final tallies in New Jerseys eleventh Strict, which makes her
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: the Democratic nominee headed towards the general election. Its problem,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: an Alilia, thank you so much for joining us.
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: Thank you, thank you for having me. It's nice to
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: see you again. It's nice to see you.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Too, it has been.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: And one of the kind of privileges that I get
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: in kind of covering the progressive world now for twenty
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: years or so is to see people move from one
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: organization to another and one cause that's all the same cause,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: watch them kind of rise through the ranks, and then
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: once in a while somebody becomes a member of Congress
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: that you don't.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: Expect, you and me, both, you and me both.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: And in your advocacy world, we refer to those people
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: as electeds.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Yes, I don't know.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know if the regular people know that it's
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: a weird phrase because it's not. I don't know what
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: kind of word is that electeds.
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Usually I shorten it to EO elected official. I'm like,
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: that's an.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: EO, that's an EO over there, so now you are
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: on the way to becoming an EO. So let's yes. Well,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: first of all, tell people the general election. Kamala Harris
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: won this district by what eight points or something like that.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: So what there's a moderate? Well they call them moderate,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: So we'll borrow the mainstream media's phrasing. There Republican running
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: in this district. What's the race looking like? And when
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: is the general election?
• 32:27
  Speaker 8: For the special I mean, I'm going to say I
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: reject the idea that they're my opponent is actually a moderate.
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: I think anyone that won't denounce what Trump the Trump
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: administration is doing, won't openly denounce what Ice is doing
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: to American citizens, won't openly denounce the turning of weaponry
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: on American citizens that are protecting and exerting their constitutional rights,
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: that is extremism to me. But I you know, this
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: special election was to fill the seat vacated by Mikey
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: Cheryl when she became governor. Candidates essentially had ten weeks
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: to run at the most compressed timeline. That ten week
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: period began in Thanksgiving Thanksgiving week, when we had to
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: collect signatures to get on the ballot vote by mail.
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: Ballots were released right before on December twenty second, right
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: before the holidays, and then we held the special primary
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: on Thursday, February fifth, that's a Thursday only in Jersey, y'all.
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: But we were able to emerge victorious, even though you know,
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: I jumped in late. But we as organizers, if you know,
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: as you shared, I come from movement. I ran the
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: New Jersey Working Families Party. Obviously I worked for Bernie.
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: I was this national political director, and my day job
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: has been to be the co director of the Center
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: for Popular Democracy, which is this network of base building
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: power building organizations. But you know, we as an organizer,
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: someone with that kind of experience would hit the ground.
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: We knocked on doors, hundreds of thousands of phone calls,
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: and we emerge victorious almost two to one on election day,
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: which I feel really proud about.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: And what's what's so intimidating to me about congressional districts
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: is there is there vast size like this, seven hundred
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: thousand or plus people like that's that's just a staggering
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: number of people. You can't yes, no, you can't meet
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: every single one of them. Now in a primary like this,
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: you end up needing you know, a much smaller handful
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: of votes. So so when when you went into this race,
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: we're talking about North Jersey like me. Now, they're working
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: class parts of every congressional district.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: So it's it's something.
• 34:47
  Speaker 8: This is suburban Jersey. This is a commuter town. Folks
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: usually live here because they work in the city. They
• 34:54
  Speaker 8: want access to the infrastructure, you know, the green space
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: or schools.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: They work in fine finance, they work in pharma, arma
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: one of pharma. Yeah, so you won.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: You know, hedge funds, hedge fund guys, hedge fund women,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: private equity, pharma execs, like how like what, okay, what
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: did you do?
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: Well? The first thing I'll tell you is I live
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: in this district. Even progressives live in the verbs. I've
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: been here for thirteen years, some of them, some of us.
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: Here's here's the deal. The truth is this economy is
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: hitting everybody. See when you double and triple healthcare costs,
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: even it's individual you know, small business owners, professionals, doctors, lawyers, architects,
• 35:43
  Speaker 8: my neighbors, we're all complaining about the fact that they
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: could no longer afford healthcare insurance right and to manage
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: their families when child care costs are upwards of twenty
• 35:56
  Speaker 8: four twenty eight thirty thousand dollars a year. I pay
• 35:59
  Speaker 8: twenty four thousand dollars a year for childcare. So when
• 36:02
  Speaker 8: you're talking about that kind of expense or we may
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: not turn, we may not spiral off the price of eggs.
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: But you can bine all those things, rising healthcare costs,
• 36:15
  Speaker 8: rising childcare costs. You know, these tariffs impacted small business
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: owners wildly, and so you combine all of that that
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: was impacting community. I've lived here, I'm an organizer. I
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: talked to my neighbors. I knew it. So my message
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: was we need to remove the stranglehold that big money
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: has on our economy and our democracy. We have to
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: remember that an oligarch is or an authoritarian is simply
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: a corrupt politician who has gotten a taste from stealing
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: from the people, and they want to keep the grift going,
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: so they have to be they have to deter any
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: kind of accountability. And an oligarch is essentially a corporate
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: interests that had gotten the taste of stealing from their consumers,
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: from their clients, from their workers, and they want to
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: keep the grift going, and so they need less regulation.
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: In order to keep it, keep the jig up right.
• 37:12
  Speaker 8: And so the thing that stands between the authoritarian and
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: the oligarch is an informed community. So I was knocking
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: on doors talking to people pointing that out, and that resonate.
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: That message resonated with folks.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in my own life, I've I talked to plenty
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: of these upper middle class professional types and they know
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: that I have been kind of covering the Bernie AOC
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: world for as long as they've known me, and so
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: they'll talk to me at the soccer games or whatever
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: about this stuff.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: And twenty fourteen, fifteen sixteen, there.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Was a lot of hostility from them to that world,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: like they they saw him as kind of hostile to
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: their interests in what they thought the Democratic Party ought
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: to because these are mostly Democrats for the most part.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: You know, that started to soften a little bit with
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: with aos see, but twenty twenty they were still quite
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: skeptical of Bernie. But now they're like, I think I
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: think Bernie actually was right. They're open to him. They're
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: definitely open to AOC who like they now think of
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: as like a normy Democrat. And I think part of
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: it is that they believe that they're probably okay themselves,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: whether they're not necessarily sure, but they're very worried about
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: their kids, about what this country's becoming and right for
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: their kids. Not the types of people that have like
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: generational wealth, they're going to help their kids. They them
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: in the nice schools, are going to help them through college,
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: but they're not going to like set them up for life.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: And so did you see that too?
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Like what is.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely I had folks talk about how they may
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: be able to afford, they may have been able to
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: afford to buy a home, but they're worried about what's
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: going to happen to their children. And the fact that
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: private equity firms are buying up starter homes resonates with
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: them and anchors them talking about how we have to
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: regulate That hits a nerve because they could see that
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: this basic thing that they took for granted for themselves
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: is going to be out of reach for their children.
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: When I talk to folks about, like I said, health insurance,
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: I talked to a neighbor whose husband is a doctor.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: They are professionals, and they were discussing shifting from comprehensive
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: health insurance to catastrophic so that they could continue to
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: afford their child's tuition. And this is a doctor. So
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: we have across this district. What I know, what I've
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: learned in the thirteen years that I've lived here, talking
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: to my neighbors, engaging people. And this is probably true
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: across America that in our communities, you know, especially places
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: in which you know on paper seen like they are
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: economically stable, right, high home ownership, high education levels. People
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: stretch to be here. And so if you lose a client,
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: if you're a contractor you lose a client, or if
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: the prices for your small business go up, or just
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: the instability of the moment make create that precariousness, you
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: start to spin, you increase your dependence on credit card
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: debt or credit cards, you find yourself in credit card debt.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: Maybe you are house rich for cash poor. And so
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: this economy is in fact hitting working class, working poor,
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: and middle class people. And it's not surprising because we
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: have an like an unfair and imbalance in our economy
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: and our democracy. I mean, Bernie said it over and over.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: It's the billionaire class are trying to buy our democracy,
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: and they're willing to trade democracy for an extra zero
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: in their offshore bank account. You add that to the
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: violence you are seeing in Minnesota and Chicago, in California
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: and in this district. Just today, I heard about shots
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: being fired in Roxberry, New Jersey, just outside the district.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: We had on a Sunday morning, ice agents go to
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: an early Sunday morning, go into a laundrymat and arrest
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: a teenager. We know that we have this precarious situation
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: happening across the country, and people are concerned right to you.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: So and I feel like it's I'm curious if you've
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: got this sense from people that it's two sides of
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: the same coin, in the sense that they elected Trump.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: The country elected Trump because they wanted egg prices down
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: and you know, grocery prices down, and it was a
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: stand in. Those things were a stand in for things
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: for getting unaffordable. And instead we get this chaos and
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: this violence. And so it's not just that they're against that,
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: it's that this seems to be the only thing that
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Trump cares about. Is that why, Like, I mean, did
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: it resonate on both levels for people?
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: Yes?
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean, you know, I saw a turning point
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: after the murder of missus good.
• 42:15
  Speaker 8: In Minnesota.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: I saw folks who were very concerned about what was
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: happening and how they could protect community. I saw folks who,
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: you know, most certainly when mister Pretty was murdered, also
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: just find themselves in complete and utter shock. We had
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: been having town halls in which we incorporated ice trainings
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: to make sure that people understood their rights, so that
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: people understood the difference between a judicial warrant and a
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: administrative warrant, so that they understood how they would protect
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: themselves from undo an unfair illegal search and seizures. And
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: you know, I to speaking to the chaos. People are
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: very very concerned about what they are seeing out of
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: this administration. Most people, what they desire is just the
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: ability to live their lives, raise their kids, have an
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: opportunity and call it a day, you know, watch the
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: Super Bowl, to hang out with your friends. And what
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: we are finding is this increasing not only divisiveness, which
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: you know, a lot of times we have seen in
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: our country for sure. I mean, this is a nation
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: that has had its ups and downs, but what we
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: are seeing in this moment I think is just shocking
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: and jarring our communities into action. I also think that
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: you know, I as an organizer, as a trainer, I've
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: spent many years trying to teach my community and leaders
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: about how we are in fact in an overtin window
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: tug of war with MAGA and with Donald Trump for
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: the last like it's hard to believe for ten years,
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: and in effect for folks who are listening that are
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: unaware of the Overton window is quite simply what is
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: the realm of the acceptable that we will accept from
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: our government. Donald Trump has been trying to yank that
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: all the way into fascism in my opinion, and essentially
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: shifted where the center quote unquote is at. Well, it
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: is our responsibility to yank it back, and that means
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: that we need to speak bold ideas. We need to
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: elect bold progressives where we can, so that we can
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: recalibrate our nation back into greater normalcy and hopefully rebuild
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: beyond what we had. But I mean, we're going to
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: be doing this for generations, I.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Think, And any conversation of this race, of course, isn't
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: complete without the complete and utter face plant that APAC
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: took in this race.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: So for people been to a better crew, so.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: They took a gigantic pile of money.
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: Yes, they didn't just light it on fire.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: So they threw it at Tom Malinowski, who was fairly
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: pro Israel, former member of Congress, former State Department official,
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: who had the temerity to say that, perhaps, you know,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: if Israel commits some particular grave human rights abuses, then
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: we should consider potentially not promising, just maybe think about,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: you know, dialing back a little bit on some weapons systems, like.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: Which is it was the correct thing to do if
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: we are a sub law do we give exactly should
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: we give a blank check to just anybody?
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: No?
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: But what they did was go after let's exactly go ahead. No, no,
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: you go ahead.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean you you witnessed it up close. But
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: for that they dropped what two plus million dollars, ironically
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: accusing him of being too close to Trump and for
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: supporting funding for ICE. Which is amazing that a pack
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: which is mostly Republican funded, is using Republican money to
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: accuse somebody of supporting Ice and Trump. And it drove down,
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: it drove up as negatives. It hurt Malinowski in the
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: final strategy, I.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: Want yes for sure, for sure, I will say you
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: know I was on the doors and on social and
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: in community. I think Malanowski's supporters were very vocal in
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: pushing against a PAC and trying to tell voters what
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: was happening. I joined in. I most certainly stepped up
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: and denounced what a PAX was doing to Tom. But
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: to be honest, I when I first jumped in, I
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: had stated that I would reject a PACK funding that
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: in fact, every candidate should, because this is what they do.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: Leopards eat your face. The interesting thing here is that,
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: you know, really the lesson that APAC taught New Jersey
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: eleven New Jersey and voters across the country is that
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: they are willing to destroy friend or foe unless you
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: commit to and pledge blind obedience. And that should to
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: me that actually, forget whether or not they helped elect me,
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: it's the fact that they told on themselves so clearly
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: that this is just I hope it is a turning point.
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: There are other special elections happening in New Jersey. Bonnie
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: Watson Coleman announced that she wasn't going to run again,
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: so there's a there is a contest for her seat.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: Adam Adam ham Away, right.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: Yes, and there is there is this you know, again,
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: I think you know a candidate in that race are
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: are speaking out against APAC. Now you have even moderates
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: and Republicans speaking out against APAC and their practices. And
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: to me, that is the biggest lessons. It's this idea
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: that unless you pledge blind obedience, you you know this,
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: this mptit will come after you. And the only way
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: in which we free ourselves of it is to is
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: to disempower them by not taking their money and by
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: calling them out for what they've done.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: And yeah, in the in Bonnie Watson Coleman's district, there's
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: a guy named doctor Adam Hamaway, who you know, I'm
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: sure who is a doctor who's gone repeatedly to Gaza
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: to do missions there.
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: Yes, I remember.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: When he first launched, somebody asked them, what are you
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: going to refuse a PAC money? And it's like, well,
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: Israel was like blocking him from leaving Gaza and like
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: blocking water from getting into the hospital where he was working.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: I think work pretty safely. Thanks where he's going to
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: come down on this question?
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: But so what what have you heard from other Democrats?
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: So once you win out, now you've been endorsed by
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Mikey chryl by the governor, well the government she's now governor,
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: but by a host of establishment Democrats.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: So you're not because you're not the party.
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: Cory Booker, the delegate that congressional delegation, as well as
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: my opponents. You know, this is.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: Prim Booker is an interesting one.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: So what, like, what did they tell you about what
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: they thought of APEX intervention in the race?
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: Honestly, what we mostly spoke about was how we needed
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: this was a moment for us to turn to and
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: build unity. That primaries are about, you know, sifting out
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: ideas and seeing what resonates with voters and then the
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: general we have to come together. Both Corey Booker, Senator
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: Booker and Senator Andy Kim have both committed to me
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: their support not only through this primary, but all the
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: way through to November, or better yet, this general, this
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: special General, and all the way through to November. I have,
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm receiving the support of institutional players and
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: the party itself. But here's the thing, right, Like, the
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: truth is that organizers activists across the country. In order
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: for us to be effective, we actually have to know
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: who the power brokers are. It's not about for organizers
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: and really for the left, the way in which we
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: build governing power is not just to call the question
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: and throw rocks from the outside, but it's for us
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: to understand that while proximity to power is not power.
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: So we don't kiss up to the institution, but we
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: do come you know, we do play ball. We do
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: have to use our leverage and our power to be
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: able to demand a seat at the table so that
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: we can negotiate together. And so I'm not surprised that
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: there is unity like lining up behind to me, because
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: that's what we have to do in order to beat
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: MAGA and trump Ism. But also I've known these players
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: for you know, the last twenty five years. There have
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: been times in which we have disagreed. There have been
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: times in which I have pushed them hard. But then
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: when we get into alignment, we get into alignment. And
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: that's what I think we need to do in this moment,
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: without capitulating, without giving up on our morals and values.
• 51:39
  Speaker 8: At this moment, what we are focused on, what I
• 51:42
  Speaker 8: am focused on doing, is making sure to consolidate and
• 51:48
  Speaker 8: work collaboratively across the party so that I can emerge
• 51:53
  Speaker 8: victorious in this special general on April sixteenth. But you know,
• 51:58
  Speaker 8: I will remind folks who are listening. Then I have
• 52:01
  Speaker 8: to run in another primary in June and then again
• 52:06
  Speaker 8: a general in November, and so you know, I do
• 52:10
  Speaker 8: think that Trump Maga trump Ism is probably going to
• 52:14
  Speaker 8: make my job a little easier in that respect because
• 52:18
  Speaker 8: their overreach is going to continue. I think the Democratic
• 52:21
  Speaker 8: Party is shaken up across the country and almost certainly
• 52:26
  Speaker 8: in New Jersey to be more vocal and aggressive in
• 52:31
  Speaker 8: resisting and pushing back against MEGA and their overreach and
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: their extremism. My focus right now is getting through this
• 52:40
  Speaker 8: April general on April sixteenth, and then I'll be running
• 52:44
  Speaker 8: again this June in the regular primary and then again
• 52:49
  Speaker 8: in November for the regular general. And so that means,
• 52:53
  Speaker 8: you know, ensuring that I am uplifting the concerns of
• 52:57
  Speaker 8: regular voters, that I'm consolidating not only Democrats, but frankly independence,
• 53:01
  Speaker 8: and I think, you know, Maga, like I said, Maga
• 53:04
  Speaker 8: trump Ism is making my job a little easier, sadly,
• 53:07
  Speaker 8: with their overreach and violent authoritarianism.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: By the way, has your delegation member Josh Gottheimer has
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: he called yet?
• 53:17
  Speaker 8: He actually did send me a note congratulating me. I
• 53:21
  Speaker 8: thought that was uh, that was a pleasant surprise, excellent.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Well on a LILYA Mahea, the Democratic nominee for New
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Jersey's eleventh district. Thanks so much for joining us, and
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: congratulations on the.
• 53:36
  Speaker 8: Thank you. Hopefully i'll join you again soon.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: I'll be smoothing and in studio. Can't wait to see
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: you guys.
• 53:43
  Speaker 8: And what oh yes, yes, that's gonna be awesome. Thank you, Ben,
• 53:47
  Speaker 8: I appreciate you later.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: You got it all right. So that's uh, Alilia Mahea.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: On our way to becoming a member of Congress, and
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: I would expect re elected again in November. Well we'll
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: see amazing that one of the wealthiest districts in the
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: country is going to send a kind of berniecrat to Congress.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: And I think it's it's it's an extraordinarily significant development
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: for the reshaping of the Democratic Party.
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: Right for a long time, it's been Rokama, who's a
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: representative kind of Bernie Democrat who represents one of the
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: wealthiest districts in the country.
• 54:25
  Speaker 9: And if anything, the populists have.
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: Been you know, we talked about this research from CGCN,
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: the lobbying firm that shows populists are from the poorer
• 54:35
  Speaker 6: districts Freedom Caucus squad. They're representing the poor, poorer district
• 54:39
  Speaker 6: so it is a very interesting.
• 54:40
  Speaker 9: Development on the left.
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, not so much anymore. I'm right.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Well, we will see you on Friday, Crystal and sagerb
• 54:46
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• 54:47
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