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Wedding Season: Arab Style · Obnoxiously Pleasant

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SPEAKER_02: Welcome back to another episode of Obnoxiously Pleasant.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm Henan.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm Lena.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's May.
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SPEAKER_02: Which means what, Lena?
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SPEAKER_01: Wedding season.
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SPEAKER_02: All kinds of wedding season.
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SPEAKER_02: Especially what?
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SPEAKER_02: Arabs.
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SPEAKER_02: Wedding season.
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SPEAKER_02: Arab weddings.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: That's what we're going to talk about today.
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SPEAKER_02: I know, Arab wedding season.
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SPEAKER_02: So I'm sure everybody out there isn't invited to some sort of upcoming nuptials of some sort or an engagement or something.
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SPEAKER_02: Because the Madan has passed, the eight has passed, and now the celebrations are in full swing.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: So we're going to we're going to start with the process.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, with a involved in an air breeding.
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SPEAKER_01: It is very involved.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like you have to do certain things.
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SPEAKER_02: I just hit the mic with my it's okay.
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SPEAKER_01: It's okay.
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SPEAKER_01: There are certain things involved in an air breading that are not involved in like anybody else.
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SPEAKER_01: Any other, yeah, in any other culture.
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SPEAKER_01: So the first thing is the tulbah.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, the Palestinians call it Tulbah.
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SPEAKER_01: What do you guys call it?
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SPEAKER_02: It's there is really no, I don't know if we call it Tulbah and my Egyptian peeps out there.
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SPEAKER_02: You can like correct me.
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SPEAKER_02: But what is it explained?
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SPEAKER_02: But it's the process of going to ask some for a woman's hand in marriage, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: We say like hanruh not lob eidful.
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SPEAKER_02: Like we're gonna go ask, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: But I don't know if we call it a tulbah person.
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SPEAKER_02: Like that's the actual name of the occasion.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know what that usually we're like, hey erwal fatha, hath okay.
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SPEAKER_02: That's what we call it.
1:15
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
1:15
SPEAKER_01: So that's what, yeah, that's yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: So usually it's the it's the um where the groom takes his whole freaking family, yeah, and they go to the bride's whole freaking family's house and they ask for the bride's hand in marriage.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, formal, formally, formally, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And usually that means that they come with like all kinds of like sweets and they come with And the actual asking for us Palestinians, like you have to give respect to the oldest person in a family.
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SPEAKER_01: So the oldest person in the family is the person doing the asking.
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SPEAKER_01: And then so the other side, like the bride's family, they also have the person who's the oldest person in a family family.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they have all these traditions that we like don't like we do not have.
1:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And then like some people will get mad, like, oh, you didn't ask me to be the person.
1:53
SPEAKER_02: Like, usually when we go, it depends.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, yes, you have the the family of like the bride, and usually if like say like the bride's father is like not with us, then her uncle will be.
2:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: But a lot, but people have come be like gotten really like um like progressive in Egypt.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, you can just go and the dude will meet with a woman's mom if that's all she has.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, what if that's her only person?
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, if that's if that's what it is.
2:13
SPEAKER_02: But it's I I think it's great.
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SPEAKER_02: I think that those are really cute.
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SPEAKER_02: But you know what's tied, a really weird tradition that's tied to um like the actual tollba or asking for someone's hand is in the middle of all of that, the bride will come out with a tray of drinks.
2:26
SPEAKER_02: Like, whether it's you're skipping.
2:27
SPEAKER_01: You're we're not there yet.
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SPEAKER_01: We're gonna talk about that.
2:30
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna talk about that.
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SPEAKER_01: But then we're talking about the actual process after these after these two people have agreed to get married or they met each other and they're going through the process.
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SPEAKER_01: True, true, true.
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SPEAKER_02: So the first one is the first one is that, but for us, that's also what we can uh call uh like the chutubah, like yeah, you're engaged by after that.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, and then I don't know about you guys, but gold is a big deal with Palestinians, so it's a buying of the gold or jewelry together, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So usually this involves the mother of the groom and the mother of the bride with the groom and bride.
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SPEAKER_02: They go to the store.
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SPEAKER_02: I feel like that's very traditional.
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SPEAKER_02: So I'm gonna say yes, some people do that in Egypt.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm sure they do.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, but I also there's other ways like that that has changed.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, um, maybe they'll, you know, like engagement rings are like a big thing, like diamonds.
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SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean it doesn't necessarily have to be gold because Palestinians are big on that, like traditional Palestinians, you know, like that's in our culture.
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SPEAKER_01: And I never understood it because I'm not a big gold person.
3:24
SPEAKER_01: I love gold.
3:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I tried getting out of it.
3:26
SPEAKER_01: I think my mom's like, Are you crazy?
3:27
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, why do we have to do that?
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SPEAKER_02: Everybody has something in the process of their wedding that you're like, I hate this.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't really like a woman.
3:34
SPEAKER_01: When am I gonna when am I gonna wear all this stuff?
3:36
SPEAKER_01: You would be surprised.
3:37
SPEAKER_02: Like, I feel like with your soab, you probably need.
3:39
SPEAKER_01: I know, but like my mom was like, Bala Habal.
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SPEAKER_01: She's like, whether you like it or not, this is part of tradition.
3:43
SPEAKER_01: You have to get it.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay, whatever.
3:45
SPEAKER_02: Okay, what's next?
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SPEAKER_01: So the next thing is the henna eve.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, you guys do you have we do we do have a henna, it we have a henna.
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SPEAKER_02: It could be an eve, it could be it's a party.
3:54
SPEAKER_01: So there's two things there's the henna eve, and then the actual henna.
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SPEAKER_01: So the henna eve is when the ladies get together, yeah, and they prepare the henna, like the henna paste.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, and then they pick up another party on a long list of parties that we're gonna have that whole week.
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SPEAKER_02: Again, again, I think maybe in certain I'm like I'm from Cairo, so for us, the henna, and maybe in other parts of Egypt it's like that.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, but for us, the henna is the party where you get together.
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SPEAKER_02: I remember my henna speaking of things you refuse to use.
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SPEAKER_02: I was like, I am not drawing with that stuff on my hands.
4:22
SPEAKER_01: What?
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SPEAKER_02: You didn't put henna?
4:24
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, henna.
4:25
SPEAKER_02: I had a lady draw a dot in my hand and I was like, wipe it away really fast, wipe it away.
4:28
SPEAKER_02: I don't like henna, guys.
4:30
SPEAKER_02: I don't like henna.
4:30
SPEAKER_02: I don't like I don't.
4:32
SPEAKER_01: Okay, well no, it's like it's good to have though.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't like it.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, so I think it's beautiful on other people.
4:37
SPEAKER_02: How about this?
4:37
SPEAKER_02: I don't like it on me.
4:38
SPEAKER_01: Okay, I get it.
4:39
SPEAKER_01: That's it.
4:39
SPEAKER_01: I don't like it on me at all.
4:41
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, like so the the the night before the actual henna, like some of the ladies, you know, they get together and they put that they prepare the henna because you gotta mix it and then they'll sing songs.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And then on the actual henna day, now usually this is a woman's only party.
4:53
SPEAKER_02: Well, henna, yes, henna's are women's only parties.
4:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but then they'll let the guy in the groom sometimes in for five or ten minutes.
4:59
SPEAKER_01: We I don't I think it depends on how big your and how big your party is.
5:03
SPEAKER_02: No, no, the men don't do henna at all.
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SPEAKER_02: But again, again, where I'm from in Egypt.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, I don't know.
5:09
SPEAKER_02: I can't speak for all the different parts of the country, but for me, no, like the my husband never came to the henna at all.
5:16
SPEAKER_02: Oh wow, and it was ladies only.
5:17
SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, it's ladies only, but then like there's a certain point in the henna where everyone tells the ladies, hey guys, the guy's coming.
5:23
SPEAKER_02: No, we don't do that.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they he comes in, they do the henna, like they he actually puts henna, like the put henna with like he puts some paper on his hands, and sometimes the girl does it for him, like the bride, and then he does it for her.
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SPEAKER_01: No, it's not much anyway, and then he's gone.
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SPEAKER_01: Halas.
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SPEAKER_01: Like they sing for him, and then he leaves.
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SPEAKER_01: And then we don't do that.
5:43
SPEAKER_01: I think that's very like that's that's overseas.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, here in the States, it's a whole different world.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like a henna that's just another party, and it can be mixed.
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SPEAKER_01: It's mixed, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Like the guys.
5:51
SPEAKER_02: But I always feel like that's like that's the like quintessential the like quintessentially like Arab American thing.
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SPEAKER_02: Like we take, we love to take uh traditions from back home, yeah, and then like we make them on our own app.
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SPEAKER_02: And then add some, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it's cute, yeah.
6:04
SPEAKER_01: Because like uh the henna, usually now in the US, like when there's a Palestinian like wedding, it's together.
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SPEAKER_01: The guys who do go to the henna, they're very like close family.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's okay.
6:13
SPEAKER_01: Like, oh yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like the bride's brothers or something, right?
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SPEAKER_02: The henna.
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SPEAKER_01: So we let them in.
6:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
6:17
SPEAKER_02: We let them in.
6:18
SPEAKER_02: But I also think it's uh it's funny because the henna party is very different depending on like where you're you are, like in the Middle East, what like what country you're from.
6:26
SPEAKER_02: That's true.
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SPEAKER_02: The henna, it all it's all the same thing, right?
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SPEAKER_02: It is a celebration of the bride and her preparing her for marriage.
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SPEAKER_02: I think the the actual details of what happens like on that night and who's invited and all of that differs from country to country.
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SPEAKER_01: And how big the scale, like the scale of the bigger.
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SPEAKER_02: But I think the thing that like ties it all together, the fact that it is a celebration of the bride bringing her like into the next chapter of her life and the actual like drawing of the like the drawing of the henna on the bride's hands and feet and stuff like that.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean the henna here in the States for Palestinian is just as big as a wedding.
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SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it's full-blown.
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SPEAKER_02: Like I said, I think that that's like quintessentially like Arab American behavior.
7:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, we're partying, might as well go.
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SPEAKER_01: Which I think is great.
7:04
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
7:05
SPEAKER_01: And then the sahra.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you guys have the sahra?
7:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh some people do, some people don't.
7:11
SPEAKER_01: Explain your version of the sahra.
7:12
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so just to make sure we're on the same page.
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SPEAKER_02: So before the wedding, it's essentially like a party before the wedding, where it's really like family.
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SPEAKER_02: So I like to think of the sahra.
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SPEAKER_02: If I had to like equate it to like what Americans do, it's kind of like the rehearsal dinner where the family and really close friends get together.
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SPEAKER_01: How it is for us.
7:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but for us, but a lot of people don't do that.
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SPEAKER_02: They don't do a sahra.
7:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
7:31
SPEAKER_02: It really depends on what part of the tradition you're taking.
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SPEAKER_01: I think in the States it's very hard, but in Palestine, like this is the one of the things I'm telling the kids, oh my god, I can't wait to take you guys to Sahara because it's like in the middle of the street.
7:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
7:43
SPEAKER_01: And it's so in some parts of Egypt there is that.
7:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's lovely.
7:47
SPEAKER_01: There's like Debka and Sahja and all this, like it's so nice.
7:51
SPEAKER_01: And then we also do to this day, Palestinians overseas, they still, some of them will still bring a barber, yeah, and then they will cut the groom's hair and shave his face and prepare him for the wedding.
8:03
SPEAKER_01: So we definitely don't like I've never been like a participant in something like this.
8:07
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, it's so cool.
8:08
SPEAKER_02: But I think it's like I I like I said, there is stuff like this that happens in Egypt, depending on where you are in the country, right?
8:14
SPEAKER_02: So, like I know, like for example, in you know, for Said, yeah, the celebr wedding celebrations are very different.
8:20
SPEAKER_02: It could be days and days and days.
8:21
SPEAKER_02: There is actually when we go to post this, we should tag Manel on TikTok because her TikToks are so informative.
8:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
8:27
SPEAKER_02: And she's originally from Said, so she's amazing.
8:29
SPEAKER_02: We love her.
8:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we do.
8:30
SPEAKER_02: Um, but but yeah, it really depends on like where you're from.
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SPEAKER_02: Because Egypt is like, it's so huge and traditions are so different.
8:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
8:37
SPEAKER_02: And so it depends, like, you know, are you from Alexandria?
8:40
SPEAKER_02: Are you from, you know, are you from Suisse?
8:42
SPEAKER_02: Are you from Cairo?
8:43
SPEAKER_01: Are you from, you know, well, with the uh with the hair, like with the um haircut and the shaving, it's like and they're singing songs while they're doing this for him.
8:52
SPEAKER_02: You know, Palestinians are really big on that, by the way.
8:54
SPEAKER_02: Like there's a lot of traditions.
8:55
SPEAKER_02: We don't really do that.
8:56
SPEAKER_02: Like we don't, we have let me say we don't really do that.
8:59
SPEAKER_02: I'm not from a family that you know that's part of my tradition or anything like that.
9:04
SPEAKER_02: Not to say that like other things are not like you know, we don't celebrate other things or other traditions, but um, I always find it really interesting.
9:11
SPEAKER_02: We like I've never I was never raised with like see, like if you if I if I think like singing on occasion.
9:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like if I if I if I ever if you ever come again to Fallestine Child, I have to let you.
9:20
SPEAKER_01: It's like such an experience.
9:21
SPEAKER_01: It is, I'm sure.
9:21
SPEAKER_01: Like here, they don't usually do it.
9:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Like it unless you have like this big open space in your house.
9:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like if you have like, you know, if it like if you have you live on like three acres of land.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, then you can do it.
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SPEAKER_01: They can bring a tent and they can do that, but like overseas, you just do it in front of like wherever any street.
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SPEAKER_02: Like you could do it downstairs in the street in front of your building.
9:37
SPEAKER_02: I'm telling you, it happens in parts of Egypt where people do that, and there's a like a celebration in the street or whatever.
9:42
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, it really depends on where you're from.
9:44
SPEAKER_02: It really depends on how you're celebrating.
9:46
SPEAKER_02: Here, there is no sahra.
9:49
SPEAKER_02: There might be a sahra, like you know, it's it's depending on, and again, that's like more like Arab American behavior.
9:55
SPEAKER_02: Is that like to say?
9:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it really depends on like how you're celebrating, who you're celebrating with, yeah, you know, the traditions that you want to bring forward.
10:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then the sahra is very like like uh I keep hitting this microphone today.
10:06
SPEAKER_01: It's it's a bit controversial in a sense that it's a it's a guy only thing, but the balladam from Elbira, yeah, like we like other Balad Zuccaras, like, oh my god, you guys are out there.
10:16
SPEAKER_01: Like, because the girl, like the woman, we go, we attend, we say we don't like get into the depca and mix, but we're like, we're gonna be here, we're gonna enjoy the music and we're gonna check it out.
10:24
SPEAKER_02: Which honestly is like a huge step if you look at it.
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SPEAKER_02: The fact that they're just there.
10:27
SPEAKER_01: I think we're coming.
10:28
SPEAKER_02: You can't keep us at home.
10:29
SPEAKER_02: So if I go with you and I go to a sahra, can I just pretend I'm a foreigner and just like get into the depth line?
10:34
SPEAKER_01: I will not let you do that because like there are certain things.
10:36
SPEAKER_01: Come on, like you gotta respect certain things, of course.
10:38
SPEAKER_01: But like other towns in Palestine, that's like, oh my god, you guys attend the Sahra?
10:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I can't.
10:44
SPEAKER_01: It's like typically I'm like, yeah, we'll I can totally say that.
10:47
SPEAKER_01: You know, so like it like it's so interesting, like you said, how the different, even like tiny villages, they all have the like you can't go.
10:52
SPEAKER_01: Like, this is a guy thing.
10:54
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm going.
10:55
SPEAKER_02: And I really think it depends.
10:56
SPEAKER_02: Like, certain things in certain things in Egypt are like men or women only.
11:00
SPEAKER_02: And I again, it depends on where you're from, how you celebrate.
11:03
SPEAKER_02: But like all the weddings I've been to overseas or here, like everything is mixed, except for the henna party.
11:09
SPEAKER_02: And some people forgo a henna, like they don't do it.
11:11
SPEAKER_02: Like, especially like my Egyptian American friends, my you know, air other Arab Americans, like women will have bridal showers instead of yeah.
11:17
SPEAKER_01: I mean, nowadays it's like yeah, you can do the henna at the shower.
11:20
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
11:21
SPEAKER_02: So it's like, and they don't even sometimes do henna at the shower at all, but they'll just have like a very traditional, like American style bridal shower.
11:28
SPEAKER_02: We take the henna seriously.
11:29
SPEAKER_02: We see for us, it really depends on the the this henna itself, like it's not a controversial thing.
11:36
SPEAKER_02: Some people do it, some people don't.
11:38
SPEAKER_02: Um, but it's not like a huge again, I think it's just me, the way I was raised, is not like a huge important part of like getting married.
11:44
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, okay what happens after the sahara?
11:47
SPEAKER_01: The sahara usually doesn't.
11:48
SPEAKER_02: So hold on, hold on.
11:48
SPEAKER_02: Recap.
11:49
SPEAKER_02: So Tulbah, yeah.
11:50
SPEAKER_02: Henna.
11:50
SPEAKER_02: No, tulba.
11:52
SPEAKER_01: Buying of the gold.
11:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, tulbah buying of the gold.
11:54
SPEAKER_01: Henna Eve, henna.
11:55
SPEAKER_02: Which like to but again, buying of the gold, it really depends for us on where you're from, what you and your husband decided, what the family decided.
12:04
SPEAKER_02: And then the the prehenna is not something that I think I'm looking my people.
12:10
SPEAKER_02: If you do a prehenna as as Egyptians, please let me know.
12:13
SPEAKER_02: Because like I've never been to one.
12:14
SPEAKER_01: This is for us, it's not like a mass but it's like we we just want to sing it now.
12:18
SPEAKER_02: Okay, guys, any of my Egyptian American uh listeners, followers, whatever, like love you guys.
12:24
SPEAKER_02: If you guys have participated at a prehenna, please comment and please invite me to the next one.
12:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's usually very close family only for that.
12:31
SPEAKER_02: I can just to watch.
12:32
SPEAKER_02: I will be a fly on the wall.
12:35
SPEAKER_01: Now this is every Arab wedding has to have this.
12:38
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
12:39
SPEAKER_01: The big fight.
12:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, even Arab American wedding.
12:41
SPEAKER_01: Usually right before the big day, there will be a major fight that gets ugly.
12:45
SPEAKER_01: And if it's not a full-blown fight, then someone is mad at somebody else and threatening not to attend.
12:49
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
12:49
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
12:50
SPEAKER_02: Someone's always threatening, I'm not gonna be able to do that.
12:51
SPEAKER_02: But I feel like that's not just Arab Americans.
12:53
SPEAKER_02: I feel like that's why we take it to a different level before weddings.
12:56
SPEAKER_02: I feel like that is like whatever culture you're of, there has to be a big fight before any wedding.
13:01
SPEAKER_02: I know, but like arab take it to a different level.
13:03
SPEAKER_02: Like the gym, like it's so dramatic.
13:05
SPEAKER_02: But that's but we're dramatic about everything, so I'm not surprised.
13:08
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I feel like the big fight is like a must before any wedding.
13:10
SPEAKER_01: So without getting into details, there was a fight, right?
13:13
SPEAKER_01: At your wedding?
13:14
SPEAKER_01: Or before your wedding.
13:14
SPEAKER_01: Not at your wedding, but like there was like some because there was with me.
13:18
SPEAKER_02: It was like so long ago.
13:19
SPEAKER_02: Wallahi wallah, I don't even remember.
13:20
SPEAKER_01: No, I still remember that shit.
13:23
SPEAKER_02: Just like everybody though, everybody, and it's not like No, it's always, I don't feel like it's not we didn't have a fight, but there were definitely on your no, it's not.
13:31
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no.
13:31
SPEAKER_02: There was nothing, it's not like anybody there was an argument, but there was definitely a lot of charged situations happening.
13:37
SPEAKER_01: It's not a big fight, but like some hacky, some, some, some commas.
13:41
SPEAKER_02: Actually, I think it's like for me, it wasn't that it was it was like it was very separated.
13:46
SPEAKER_02: Like we didn't really have much of we we did have a few things we were worried about.
13:50
SPEAKER_02: So, like my sister-in-law was coming from Egypt to attend the she was actually moving.
13:54
SPEAKER_02: Like we attended her wedding in January.
13:57
SPEAKER_02: And she was moving to the United States like in July, and she was bringing the um the uh what is it called?
14:04
SPEAKER_02: Like the vests and the uh and the like the ascots and everything, like for the for the guy for Mahmoud, okay, like for the actual groom.
14:11
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, okay, she likes she's not gonna make it.
14:13
SPEAKER_02: This is really hard.
14:14
SPEAKER_02: She's not gonna make it.
14:15
SPEAKER_02: So there was that.
14:16
SPEAKER_02: Um it just that's like that's just one situation I can't remember.
14:20
SPEAKER_02: But like uh we we had a friend that was going through some stuff.
14:24
SPEAKER_02: Yes, we had yeah, there's just again again, I think day of the wedding, day of the wedding.
14:31
SPEAKER_02: Um, one of one of one of my best friends, Dana, uh, she we were supposed to bring her dress to the venue.
14:39
SPEAKER_02: And my dad forgot it on the arm of the couch at my parents' house, and we get there, and her and my sister, yeah, they had to speed home.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but they were getting and Dana had to get dressed in the car.
14:48
SPEAKER_01: Because Dana was doing your makeup.
14:49
SPEAKER_01: My makeup.
14:50
SPEAKER_02: So she was running around town with me doing pictures and stuff.
14:53
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, that was so yeah, like it's not a big fight, but there's a lot of stuff that you're just talking about stuff like that.
14:58
SPEAKER_01: I'm talking about people who are getting mad.
15:00
SPEAKER_01: I'm not coming.
15:01
SPEAKER_01: I can't believe she said that to me.
15:02
SPEAKER_02: No, we don't really have that.
15:03
SPEAKER_02: Like here, we didn't really have that.
15:04
SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's good.
15:05
SPEAKER_02: I really think it's because like it for me, I was the first of my siblings to get married.
15:09
SPEAKER_02: My husband was the last of the siblings to his get married of his siblings to get married.
15:13
SPEAKER_02: So I think everybody just was having like a really good time.
15:16
SPEAKER_01: Okay, everybody was so excited.
15:18
SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, it's too cool for us to have a fight.
15:20
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, the wedding.
15:21
SPEAKER_01: The wedding.
15:22
SPEAKER_01: So the first thing for us, yeah, you know, that's done is usually the groom's family will go pick up the bride.
15:28
SPEAKER_01: Uh house or the hotel or whatever she's staying.
15:31
SPEAKER_01: Like it's a whole thing.
15:32
SPEAKER_01: Like that there's a Zephyr, you go pick her up.
15:33
SPEAKER_02: So I think again, again, overseas is very different than.
15:38
SPEAKER_02: I don't I didn't get picked up.
15:39
SPEAKER_02: I got picked up by the limo.
15:41
SPEAKER_01: So I mean, like, if they don't go to the house, then usually they do the zephra when they enter the like wedding wedding hall.
15:47
SPEAKER_02: So we did the Zephyr when we entered the wedding hall.
15:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
15:49
SPEAKER_02: And it was like late, because like I just said in my previous story, my Dana's dress, Yahram.
15:54
SPEAKER_02: It was like at my mom's and dad's house, and my we were like the venue was like 45 minutes away from where we lived.
15:59
SPEAKER_02: So my sister had to rush her back.
16:01
SPEAKER_02: I will never forget my sister at the time drove this little red haunted.
16:04
SPEAKER_02: I remember that.
16:05
SPEAKER_02: And she was just zooming on the highway.
16:07
SPEAKER_02: And poor Dana had to, you know, change her clothes in the car, but it all worked out.
16:11
SPEAKER_01: Okay, it all worked out.
16:12
SPEAKER_01: So now the wedding, you know, we'll talk about differences later on in another segment.
16:16
SPEAKER_01: But now the day after the wedding.
16:18
SPEAKER_01: So, what happens the day after?
16:20
SPEAKER_01: Like, is like I know some cultures have like the bride's mom and the groom's mom like take breakfast.
16:26
SPEAKER_01: Some people do that.
16:27
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's like, yeah, sabah or whatever.
16:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
16:30
SPEAKER_02: Um, it's I really think again, it depends on like how you're celebrating, where you're celebrating.
16:34
SPEAKER_02: I I remember we had to get up the next day and like forage for food because we had to go find the car, our cars and stuff.
16:39
SPEAKER_02: Because we didn't have a car.
16:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
16:41
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, there's no food in this fridge.
16:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
16:43
SPEAKER_02: This was pre-like Uber Eats.
16:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, no, of course, definitely.
16:46
SPEAKER_01: But like for us, you know, there was this like we like.
16:50
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if we do that, Palestinians, but we do have like a like a radda or like lunch after.
16:55
SPEAKER_02: I think it depends if everybody's coming into town, out of town.
16:58
SPEAKER_02: It really depends.
16:59
SPEAKER_01: And nowadays it's optional.
17:00
SPEAKER_01: Like the like the balad, I'm from, like the bride and groom don't have to go.
17:04
SPEAKER_01: But when I got married, I had to go to this thing.
17:06
SPEAKER_01: Okay, and I was so upset about that.
17:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was like, it's like really traumatic.
17:09
SPEAKER_01: It is traumatized.
17:10
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, you can't not come.
17:11
SPEAKER_01: Like they have to come and bad.
17:13
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, badic for what?
17:14
SPEAKER_01: I know, seriously.
17:15
SPEAKER_01: So traumatic.
17:16
SPEAKER_02: For me, I think I again, I think that's like where we're really depending on.
17:19
SPEAKER_02: I don't think they do that anymore.
17:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the traditions are really different.
17:22
SPEAKER_02: Like, we left, we went like to we like Mahmoud and I went together to my parents' house.
17:27
SPEAKER_02: I need to needed to grab a few things and like we got on a flight tomorrow, our honeymoon.
17:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they still do it here, like where it's uh lunch.
17:33
SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like, how many days do we celebrate this?
17:36
SPEAKER_02: But it was it was cute.
17:37
SPEAKER_02: My other sister-in-law, yeah, and her daughter drove us to the airport for our honeymoon.
17:41
SPEAKER_02: It was really cute.
17:42
SPEAKER_02: She, I think she had she had like a bigger car, I don't remember if she had a van or a big car, bigger car or whatever, but like she's the one who dropped us off.
17:48
SPEAKER_02: But like, yeah, I think it's just really depends on like traditions of celebration really depend on where you are.
17:54
SPEAKER_01: Like I said, for us, like uh Alvira, like we, you have to have a like we don't do usually in overseas, they don't do dinner on the wedding day.
18:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they do it the big dinner after.
18:04
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
18:04
SPEAKER_01: But that's that's kind of uncomfortable.
18:06
SPEAKER_01: No, no, that's like really traditional.
18:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
18:09
SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, they still, like my family, when my brothers got married, they still did dinner on the wedding, but they also kept with the tradition of the following day.
18:15
SPEAKER_01: Like the following day dinner or lunch is like a must.
18:18
SPEAKER_02: I think it's it's funny because I like I know my like my uh my Indian Pakistani friends, they have something similar where they like they have the the pre-party, the party party, the after party, and then there's like the walima, which is like what happens like after the wedding.
18:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
18:33
SPEAKER_02: So it's I find that to be really interesting to go to that.
18:35
SPEAKER_01: And then finally, in this long process of an Arab wedding, do you guys do like dinner a week later with the families?
18:42
SPEAKER_01: Like, usually it's called not like planned or anything like that.
18:45
SPEAKER_02: Like, if you want to go do dinner, great.
18:47
SPEAKER_02: Most of the time, people are on their honeymoon.
18:48
SPEAKER_01: So, like after we like in custom, like it's customary for the bride to go to uh her family's house to visit.
18:54
SPEAKER_01: So the f the bride's family will invite the entire groom's family, and then it's like they call it like Palestinians call it, um, like uh I don't know, Radal Ta'aruf or something like that.
19:06
SPEAKER_02: Like to get to know their family better and to like I feel like you should do ta'aruf before everybody gets married.
19:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, obviously, but this is like official after.
19:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like you know honestly, maybe this thing exists somewhere in Egypt, and I like don't know about it.
19:18
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna need people to like clarify this for me in the comments because we didn't do that either.
19:22
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay, okay.
19:23
SPEAKER_01: I mean, like, yeah, this is like I'm talking about I mean, listen, I know people who still do this, you know, like so funny.
19:28
SPEAKER_01: This is like we go through all this, this entire process.
19:30
SPEAKER_02: But anyway, I'm gonna have to ask my my husband's here today, while we're from I'm gonna ask him about this whole Ta'a of thing, and I'm gonna ask him if he feels like he got jipped.
19:38
SPEAKER_01: That's funny.
19:38
SPEAKER_01: Okay, now we're gonna go to the next thing.
19:40
SPEAKER_01: Things you only find in Arab weddings.
19:42
SPEAKER_01: Are you ready?
19:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay.
19:45
SPEAKER_01: This is before the wedding, though.
19:46
SPEAKER_01: We talked about this and we just I laughed so hard.
19:49
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, I know.
19:50
SPEAKER_02: I we were we were doing we were doing episode planning.
19:52
SPEAKER_01: I'll let you introduce this.
19:53
SPEAKER_02: We were doing episode planning uh uh like specifically about this episode, and I was like, oh my god, Lena, do you remember when you know they came to ask for your hand in marriage and you have to come out with this big sunia like tray?
20:04
SPEAKER_02: If I did.
20:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was like, Did you go out with a sunia?
20:05
SPEAKER_02: Did you go out with the tray with the drinks on it?
20:07
SPEAKER_02: And she just could not.
20:09
SPEAKER_01: I couldn't even respond.
20:10
SPEAKER_01: I was just like laughing.
20:11
SPEAKER_01: So you you had that.
20:12
SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm pretty sure I did.
20:14
SPEAKER_02: I have to ask Mahmoud if he remembers me bringing anything out on a you know what?
20:18
SPEAKER_01: That's so funny because you know what that's you know what that's about though.
20:21
SPEAKER_01: That's become before people actually would talk to each other.
20:24
SPEAKER_02: I have to, yeah.
20:26
SPEAKER_02: I have to ask him.
20:27
SPEAKER_02: I have to ask him.
20:28
SPEAKER_01: This is the way the guy would see the girl.
20:32
SPEAKER_01: He's down too.
20:33
SPEAKER_01: Just call him.
20:34
SPEAKER_02: No, he's ringing.
20:35
SPEAKER_02: I know I act like I live in a mansion.
20:39
SPEAKER_02: Of course he's not gonna answer me now.
20:44
SPEAKER_02: Hey, hey, I have a question for you.
20:47
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so yeah, yeah, come up, but you can be behind the camera.
20:50
SPEAKER_02: You don't have to be in front of the camera.
20:51
SPEAKER_02: I have to ask you a question about when we got engaged, okay?
20:55
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
20:57
SPEAKER_01: This is my point is the C, I think, is for people that never saw each other.
21:00
SPEAKER_01: That's how you're gonna be able to do it.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, Yeah, yeah.
21:05
SPEAKER_01: I was just like, why do I have to still do this?
21:07
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
21:08
SPEAKER_02: Like, we've seen each other.
21:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
21:10
SPEAKER_02: We all agree to this.
21:11
SPEAKER_02: Bab, I got a question for you.
21:14
SPEAKER_02: When you came over to ask for my hand in marriage with your mom and your dad and your siblings, did I bring stuff out on a tree to you guys?
21:25
SPEAKER_01: Like, what the hell?
21:26
SPEAKER_01: I gotta I I don't I'm sure you did.
21:30
SPEAKER_02: I can't remember.
21:31
SPEAKER_01: Because did your mom already have like did she meet her before or no?
21:36
SPEAKER_01: This is the first time.
21:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, they've seen each other.
21:38
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
21:41
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
21:42
SPEAKER_01: So like there was no point of like.
21:47
SPEAKER_01: I'm sticking with that.
21:48
SPEAKER_02: I have to ask mom now.
21:50
unknown: Oh, she would certainly know.
21:51
SPEAKER_02: She would she would know.
21:54
SPEAKER_02: Like extra spice.
21:55
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
21:56
SPEAKER_02: Myths truth.
21:58
SPEAKER_01: This is we're rolling carefully
22:02
SPEAKER_02: No, but but so you don't remember?
22:06
SPEAKER_02: I thought you would have a little bit more memory about we may have done a tray for my oldest brother.
22:11
SPEAKER_02: Uh huh.
22:12
SPEAKER_02: We may have actually done like that.
22:14
SPEAKER_02: Oh, the her carrying the tray.
22:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:19
SPEAKER_02: Why why would you gu no, I I don't think you're understanding the question.
22:22
SPEAKER_02: Why would you come with a tray, babe?
22:24
SPEAKER_02: No, when you guys came over, you know how somebody brings out drinks like on a tray?
22:29
SPEAKER_02: Like Shay, Ahua, Hagasa'ah, Asia.
22:33
SPEAKER_02: Did I do that?
22:34
SPEAKER_02: I don't remember if I did that when you came over.
22:36
unknown: I thought you meant jewelry.
22:38
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
22:39
SPEAKER_02: We did that.
22:39
SPEAKER_02: We did that at a Kitbak Tib.
22:41
unknown: Okay.
22:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:42
SPEAKER_02: Because we put all the jewelry out on the tray.
22:44
SPEAKER_01: I don't imagine that you did it.
22:46
SPEAKER_01: See?
22:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you did.
22:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:47
SPEAKER_01: You did.
22:47
SPEAKER_01: Okay, we're gonna stick with she did.
22:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you don't imagine that.
22:51
SPEAKER_01: Because I can't be the only one doing that.
22:53
SPEAKER_01: Because if you didn't spill it, right?
22:55
SPEAKER_01: Thanks, thanks for your uh yeah.
22:57
SPEAKER_01: All right.
22:58
SPEAKER_01: The next one, personal invitations.
23:00
SPEAKER_01: Now, let me explain.
23:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
23:02
SPEAKER_02: Sometimes, yes, sometimes no.
23:04
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so uh close family members will not just accept an invitation in the mail like everybody else.
23:10
SPEAKER_01: Oh, if again, for us it really depends on where So you have to go physically and hand them the card and like you know, have some coffee, chit-chat a little bit.
23:19
SPEAKER_02: Yes, I experienced that firsthand with Lena.
23:21
SPEAKER_01: Okay, please go ahead and explain.
23:22
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
23:23
SPEAKER_02: So her brother was getting married, and her mom was going to invite all of her family, I guess.
23:27
SPEAKER_02: Or like the close family.
23:29
SPEAKER_02: I was it her siblings or something, yeah, right?
23:31
SPEAKER_02: So your mom's siblings, she was going to invite them.
23:34
SPEAKER_02: Um, do I have like the crusty things on my lip?
23:36
SPEAKER_01: No, you are fine, you don't.
23:38
SPEAKER_02: I have to ask.
23:39
SPEAKER_02: I hate those white crusty things that you get from the gloss or the lipstick.
23:42
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so we were going to, her brother was getting married, so her mom was going to invite her siblings, not Lena's siblings, but like her siblings.
23:48
SPEAKER_02: So Lena's like aunts and uncles.
23:50
SPEAKER_02: And she's like, oh my god, come with us on this drawer ride.
23:52
SPEAKER_02: And I had no idea what this drawer ride was like.
23:54
SPEAKER_02: We hit up so many houses, and I thought it was like like seven or eight.
23:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it wasn't just her siblings.
24:00
SPEAKER_02: I think siblings, the close family, close cousins, things like that.
24:03
SPEAKER_02: And I think at every single one of those houses, I had something to eat and something to drink.
24:06
SPEAKER_02: By the end of that ride, I was like, I'm I'm I'm done.
24:09
SPEAKER_01: We had like seven or eight cups of coffee.
24:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, you're like this.
24:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
24:12
SPEAKER_02: But it was really cute because like I had no idea they actually would drive to people's houses and go out and invite them.
24:18
SPEAKER_02: And I can't remember if she gave them something or not, but I know that she was there to say, like, hey, you know, we would, you know, be honored if you would join us on said day for my son's wedding, which I thought was really cute.
24:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
24:30
SPEAKER_02: So I think we do something similar.
24:33
SPEAKER_02: If you are like if I'm inviting, like if my dad was inviting his sister, he'd probably just pick up the phone.
24:39
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
24:39
SPEAKER_02: Pick up the phone or go.
24:40
SPEAKER_02: It depends on, again, your relationship, right?
24:42
SPEAKER_02: And be like, obviously, I you don't need an invitation.
24:45
SPEAKER_02: Because I feel like if you get an invitation in the mail like that, it could be, like you said, it could be like kind of like wow, really?
24:51
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm just gonna get this.
24:52
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so the next thing, uh wedding invitations and who comes up with the guest list.
24:59
SPEAKER_01: Because era parents are gonna be very involved.
25:02
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
25:03
SPEAKER_01: Like you they will invite people that you don't even know sometimes.
25:07
SPEAKER_01: Like, who's this person?
25:08
SPEAKER_02: So the funny thing is I think it depends again on where you are in the stack of like your siblings are getting married.
25:14
SPEAKER_02: Like, are you thinking that matters?
25:17
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
25:18
SPEAKER_01: It's like at a certain point, like they don't care.
25:19
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
25:20
SPEAKER_02: I think at a certain point no, no, no, no.
25:21
SPEAKER_02: No, I think it I think it really depends.
25:23
SPEAKER_02: No, I really think it depends on what I'm saying.
25:26
SPEAKER_01: Everybody gets invited.
25:27
SPEAKER_02: You're gonna get like I think if you're like number four or five, like it's nowhere near the same.
25:32
SPEAKER_02: I think it like, and I think they your parents also change.
25:35
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
25:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's true.
25:37
SPEAKER_01: Okay, next one, we're gonna go through these.
25:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:39
SPEAKER_01: Uhut.
25:40
SPEAKER_01: Now, nkut, Palestinians, we call it enkut, and it's uh like money gifts because you don't know.
25:47
SPEAKER_01: You guys call it nota.
25:48
SPEAKER_02: But we also give that to the also, so hey yeah, hey yeah.
25:51
SPEAKER_01: Okay, wait, wait.
25:51
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so for us, this is uh monetary gift because we don't believe we we believe cash is king.
25:57
SPEAKER_02: So I I think I really think again, in for Egyptian folks, yes, they do give out cash, they do give out monetary gifts, people give out other kinds of gifts.
26:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it really depends on what the bride and groom are looking for.
26:11
SPEAKER_02: And again, it depends on your relationship with the bride and groom.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: For us, no, it's gonna be in coot, it's gonna be money in an envelope with your name on it, okay?
26:19
SPEAKER_01: And it's it's it's a serious thing.
26:21
SPEAKER_01: Like you, you can't be like a cheap ass and not.
26:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, and honestly, it really depends.
26:26
SPEAKER_02: Like, again, again, it really depends on where, yes, you can't be cheap.
26:31
SPEAKER_02: It depends on your like, for example, like if the if it's the bride's like uncle or something, like that's a different expectation.
26:36
SPEAKER_01: That's a different expectation, but then like at the end of the night, the groom's uh parents will take this big box of inkut.
26:42
SPEAKER_01: You know, there's a box there, you drop the envelope in there.
26:45
SPEAKER_01: At the end of the night, they take it home and they go through, they get a uh a book and they go through all of the names of all for sure, and then they put a whatever amount these people gave, and then which takes me to the inkut book, which is another part of we do not have that, at least not where I'm from.
27:02
SPEAKER_01: We're very like like I know like Italians are like this as well.
27:06
SPEAKER_01: So there's a book that your parents throughout the years have kept track of who gave them of who gave them and what they gave.
27:13
SPEAKER_01: No, we do not do that.
27:15
SPEAKER_01: They will cross-reference the two.
27:16
SPEAKER_01: This Mofo gave me$100 when I gave him$200 for his daughter's wedding.
27:21
SPEAKER_02: We don't do that at all.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you gotta like No, no.
27:24
SPEAKER_02: For us, we really don't do that at all.
27:25
SPEAKER_02: What we do is it becomes a responsibility.
27:28
SPEAKER_02: Like the, I guess, like also I I think it depends again on where you're from in Egypt and what your like what your what part of these you know traditions you choose to to uh participate in or partake in.
27:44
SPEAKER_02: Um I no, we don't do that at all.
27:46
SPEAKER_02: When you do buy gifts, you do buy so there's a combination of things, right?
27:49
SPEAKER_02: Like in the United States, there's registries.
27:51
SPEAKER_02: In Egypt, I don't know if there's registries, but again, because I didn't get married there, but I do know that people there do cash gifts.
27:56
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
27:57
SPEAKER_02: But you we look at the bride and groom as now they're like a new family.
28:00
SPEAKER_02: So it's their responsibility to return this gift.
28:02
SPEAKER_01: No, no, we have that too, but then like if this is the first time, like you don't do that yet.
28:06
SPEAKER_01: Like it's their responsibility.
28:07
SPEAKER_01: But if this is the first wedding, then no, someone's gonna be keeping track.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: No, we don't stop.
28:11
SPEAKER_01: So do you guys have like a money lay thing that you gift?
28:16
SPEAKER_02: Um, no.
28:17
SPEAKER_02: So it's not really so like the the so here's the thing.
28:20
SPEAKER_02: It's like I I really think these are like very specific, like cultural differences.
28:24
SPEAKER_02: We don't really do this.
28:26
SPEAKER_02: How do I say it?
28:27
SPEAKER_01: But see, see, sorry, like like for us, this money lay, like where they tape the the the money, this was like a like 90s thing that's like.
28:35
SPEAKER_02: We don't really do a show, we don't really do a show of money.
28:38
SPEAKER_02: Does that make sense?
28:39
SPEAKER_01: This was only in the US, like Palestinians back home don't do this.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: Like, this was something I remember growing up and like going to I'm like, what is this?
28:46
SPEAKER_01: And then and then you look into it, and it's not something that Arabs usually do, and it's not even something Palestinians do.
28:51
SPEAKER_02: So it must have come from a different maybe, but honestly, like we would like I think if I ever went to a wedding, like as an Egyptian, and again, guys, I speak only my opinion.
28:59
SPEAKER_02: I think if I ever went to a wedding and I saw a bunch of people walking around money necklaces, I'd be like, I just saw a bunch of people, it's just for the groomer.
29:06
SPEAKER_02: Right, but I would look at the groomer and just be like, oh my god, these people and it's usually like someone gifting it to you.
29:11
SPEAKER_01: It's not like they, but like no one, I think this came from a different culture from somewhere else.
29:15
SPEAKER_01: Because the Palestinians back home, this is not part of the culture.
29:18
SPEAKER_02: Like, this is something we don't really show off money or go, you know.
29:21
SPEAKER_02: I I truly believe.
29:22
SPEAKER_02: I think I think uh like me personally, like you know, have the saying goes, money talk, wealth whispers.
29:27
SPEAKER_02: I totally believe in that.
29:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I agree.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: Okay, now now the Zagruta or the Zagari.
29:32
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, all the time.
29:33
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so this is um basically like they'll sing.
29:37
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's a song, but it's like they'll say some words of like encouragement.
29:42
SPEAKER_01: That's all I that's all no, that's not how it's like can you okay?
29:46
SPEAKER_01: Can you do that again, please?
29:47
SPEAKER_01: Because I was No Hanan.
29:50
SPEAKER_01: No, that's not how it's don't come for me.
29:53
SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's what I okay.
29:56
SPEAKER_01: So this usually happens in weddings, okay.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: And they sing a couple of rhyming verses addressing the bride and the groom, wishing them joy and happiness.
30:04
SPEAKER_01: And then at the end, all I hear is it they do that.
30:08
SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's what I hear.
30:09
SPEAKER_02: Like when I hear a bunch of Palestinian women at weddings, that's all I hear you say, you're such a Iowana.
30:16
SPEAKER_01: You are, you know what?
30:17
SPEAKER_01: Do come after her.
30:18
SPEAKER_01: All my Palestinians come after her.
30:20
SPEAKER_01: You guys, you have to understand that, like, I I I don't understand what's happening.
30:25
SPEAKER_01: I'm just not just Palestinians, like Syrians do it, Libyanis, Jordanian.
30:29
SPEAKER_01: We all do you guys have that.
30:30
SPEAKER_01: You don't have that?
30:31
SPEAKER_01: You have that.
30:31
SPEAKER_01: Come on.
30:32
SPEAKER_02: We have Zagarit.
30:33
SPEAKER_01: So you don't do the pre-Zagaruta?
30:35
SPEAKER_02: No.
30:36
SPEAKER_02: Again, again, the Egyptian people out there who do that, I'm sorry.
30:40
SPEAKER_02: I just am an Egyptian person who's not, we don't do that.
30:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean my family doesn't do that.
30:44
SPEAKER_01: No, no, that's like it's a thing, and it's like some of the the words behind before they actually do the Zagaruta, it's really like really nice.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: It's very poetic.
30:53
SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure.
30:54
SPEAKER_02: Look, here's the thing.
30:55
SPEAKER_02: Like, I am so I love this stuff, and I think that that alone is like a tradition.
31:01
SPEAKER_02: Like the songs that happen, the way that they're sung this way, I just really have to pay attention to understand what's being said.
31:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
31:07
SPEAKER_01: Like, I you know, if I find an example, I'm gonna put it in.
31:10
SPEAKER_02: If I find an example, if yeah, but tell me my my sound that I made is not close.
31:14
SPEAKER_01: Try it again, try it again.
31:16
SPEAKER_01: Hanan is gonna do a zagruta, yeah.
31:19
SPEAKER_01: No, no, not a zagruta.
31:21
SPEAKER_01: Oh, like the the when they hahi.
31:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
31:25
SPEAKER_01: Okay, do it.
31:26
SPEAKER_01: But that's what it sounds like great.
31:28
SPEAKER_01: Yella.
31:28
SPEAKER_01: And then I'm gonna put you on the spot.
31:30
SPEAKER_01: Let's go.
31:31
SPEAKER_02: Okay, let's see if I can do a zagrutta.
31:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm not a very good at Zagrit, guys, and I have post nasal drip, so my voice is.
31:36
SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay, yella.
31:37
SPEAKER_01: Khalsina.
31:38
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
31:38
SPEAKER_01: Woo! Okay, see, you can do that.
31:41
SPEAKER_01: So now you want to imitate.
31:44
SPEAKER_02: That's so oh my god.
31:45
SPEAKER_02: I'm annoyed by myself.
31:47
SPEAKER_02: That was very loud.
31:48
SPEAKER_01: No, it's fine.
31:49
SPEAKER_02: We didn't with trigger warning, loud, you know, noise.
31:52
SPEAKER_01: Okay, no, it's like you're doing an impression of a Palestinian old lady.
31:56
SPEAKER_01: That's all I wee wa.
31:58
SPEAKER_01: Is that it?
31:59
SPEAKER_01: Is that what you're sticking with?
32:01
SPEAKER_01: You're so offensive.
32:02
SPEAKER_01: Come after her.
32:04
SPEAKER_01: No, I'm joking.
32:05
SPEAKER_01: You gotta admit.
32:06
SPEAKER_01: You gotta what does it sound like then, Lena?
32:07
SPEAKER_01: Why don't you do it?
32:09
SPEAKER_01: Because I'm not that person.
32:11
SPEAKER_01: Like I I enjoy listening to it.
32:14
SPEAKER_02: Okay, me too.
32:15
SPEAKER_02: But what does it sound like to you, Lena?
32:17
SPEAKER_02: If you have to describe it to somebody by sounds, I just want to hate on you.
32:19
SPEAKER_01: Okay, exactly.
32:20
SPEAKER_01: But it doesn't, you're not doing it from hate.
32:22
SPEAKER_02: You're just trying to No, that's literally what I what I hear.
32:24
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, next.
32:25
SPEAKER_01: Okay, uh the wedding dough.
32:27
SPEAKER_01: Now, this is an old tradition.
32:28
SPEAKER_01: The wedding is an old tradition.
32:29
SPEAKER_01: Wedding dough.
32:30
SPEAKER_01: Like dough.
32:30
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I don't, yeah.
32:31
SPEAKER_01: I don't think that's I think so.
32:32
SPEAKER_01: After the wedding end, back in the day.
32:34
SPEAKER_01: I don't even know what that is.
32:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Palestinians would have um the parents accompany the groom and bride to their home, and then they'd have this foot this dough prepared, and then both the groom and the bride would take the dough and like put it on top of the door at the entrance of their home.
32:50
SPEAKER_01: And it's supposed to stick, yeah, like it's a sign of stability and firmness so that their marriage, like it has to stick.
32:56
SPEAKER_01: Like if it sticks, you're good.
32:57
SPEAKER_01: If it falls down, you're screwed.
32:58
SPEAKER_01: That's it, you're getting divorced.
33:00
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, nobody does that anymore.
33:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because honestly, like what if it's like really what if it's really humanized that the dough just lips off the door?
33:08
SPEAKER_02: You're just like that's it.
33:09
SPEAKER_01: You're not no no no, it's it's you're doomed, your existence is doomed.
33:12
SPEAKER_01: I don't think anyone does it anymore.
33:14
SPEAKER_01: I've seen it in Palestine in America, never, but like I've seen it in Palestine done.
33:19
SPEAKER_02: That is silly.
33:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I haven't like it's maybe been 20 years since I've seen it.
33:23
SPEAKER_01: So I think it's something that has That's crazy.
33:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:26
SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay, and then the final thing, and this is whether it's in Palestine, the people in Palestine wouldn't even attempt this.
33:34
SPEAKER_01: But weddings in America, Arab weddings, when they send you the RSVP card and they say no children allowed.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that is like happens all the time.
33:44
SPEAKER_01: Now, what is the reaction usually?
33:47
SPEAKER_02: I mean, honestly, here like Arab Americans were like very understanding of like no what no children at weddings.
33:53
SPEAKER_02: I think overseas is a little different.
33:55
SPEAKER_01: No, overseas, I don't think it's even attempted.
33:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but here, I mean, some people still like get mad.
34:02
SPEAKER_02: No, honestly, I don't because I think it really depends on I just went to a wedding in March and there was no children allowed, but the family's children were there.
34:10
SPEAKER_02: Does that make sense?
34:11
SPEAKER_02: No, that makes sense.
34:12
SPEAKER_02: Like, so that like the bride's like niece, the the the brides, the bride's nephews were there, the groom's uh niece and nephews were there.
34:19
SPEAKER_02: I think it really depends on each wedding.
34:21
SPEAKER_01: But I think I think like maybe not all Arabs, but I think Palestinians have a hard time with this concept.
34:26
SPEAKER_01: Like, why can't I bring my kid?
34:27
SPEAKER_01: Like, why can't I just bring them to the wedding?
34:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that's really annoying though.
34:31
SPEAKER_02: Like sometimes I I like look, listen, I I feel like I feel like if your kid, if you get invited as a family and your kid is like 15, that's not a kid, right?
34:40
SPEAKER_02: But I can't do the two, three-year-olds who are like running all over the floors and falling everywhere, tripping the bride in her dress.
34:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have no problem because I remember I went to a wedding and they said no children, so I called you.
34:51
SPEAKER_01: I was like, Can you watch the kids for me?
34:53
SPEAKER_01: And they were like eight or seven, I don't even remember.
34:55
SPEAKER_01: And like they can say, they can behave, they're very well behaved in public anyway.
34:59
SPEAKER_01: But like I called you and you took care of them.
35:01
SPEAKER_01: Like I I don't mind, like I respect that.
35:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, me too.
35:03
SPEAKER_02: Like, I actually don't mind at all because I do and sometimes I feel like it's late and the kids get tired and it's not good for them, and then they're like you're setting them up for failure, like when you take them to events like this.
35:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
35:14
SPEAKER_01: Some some Arabs have an issue with that.
35:16
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, now not this Arab.
35:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, now we're gonna talk about the differences between Palestinian.
35:21
SPEAKER_02: I mean, we kind of I feel like we talked about there's so many things you guys do that we don't do.
35:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but there is some there is something specific that I want to talk to you about.
35:31
SPEAKER_01: Now, who pays for the wedding?
35:33
SPEAKER_02: It really depends.
35:35
SPEAKER_01: So you guys don't have like for us Palestinians, it's always the Again.
35:38
SPEAKER_02: I really think it's because my family, and I don't want to generalize, my my parents left Egypt a long time ago.
35:47
SPEAKER_02: So their their traditions of marriage and whatever are very like based on their own life experiences, right?
35:56
SPEAKER_02: Okay so I really think like when I got married, my let's see, when I got married, my husband bought my my you know my diamonds and my gold or whatever.
36:06
SPEAKER_02: Uh my dad actually paid for our engagement party.
36:09
SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
36:09
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then my husband paid for our wedding.
36:12
unknown: Okay.
36:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:13
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so you guys don't have a set for us Palestinians, there's no but my dad also bought a lot of our furniture.
36:19
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
36:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
36:20
SPEAKER_01: No, for us, no.
36:21
SPEAKER_01: If you it's all it's on the groom, everything.
36:24
SPEAKER_01: The wedding, that's a lot of apartment.
36:26
SPEAKER_01: If you want to get married, you gotta be able to provide.
36:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's fine.
36:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, provide, but like at the same time, it's I I'm sorry, like the world has changed.
36:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but like it's not, but I mean the groom's family helps him, obviously.
36:37
SPEAKER_02: It's not even about family help.
36:38
SPEAKER_02: Like, I feel, for me at least, I feel like coming into the marriage with something, right?
36:44
SPEAKER_02: Like automatically, like we're 50-50.
36:47
SPEAKER_02: Like, if I have to work and I have to do all this stuff and you're working and you're doing all this stuff, like we're gonna split it like 50-50.
36:53
SPEAKER_02: There's nothing wrong with that.
36:54
SPEAKER_01: I think the only thing that a Palestinian the bride's family pays for if there's an engagement party, I think like when they come and ask, because they're coming to ask you and you do it in a hall or whatever, then the bride's like a phone ball, you mean?
37:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, then the dad that's that's on the dad, the the bride's father.
37:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but everything else, it's the groom.
37:11
SPEAKER_02: No, we did uh no no no.
37:12
SPEAKER_02: We did our it was it was like very, very like even.
37:18
SPEAKER_02: I think.
37:18
SPEAKER_02: I mean I didn't my I get like I said, I got my dad, but you know.
37:22
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
37:22
SPEAKER_01: So the next thing is the Debka.
37:24
SPEAKER_01: Do you get you guys?
37:25
SPEAKER_01: No, we don't, Debka.
37:26
SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah.
37:26
SPEAKER_01: Debka is like it's such a big deal for Palestinians.
37:29
SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, there's we do not Debka, but however, we do participate in bringing Arasa to the wedding.
37:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's that is the belly dancer.
37:37
SPEAKER_01: So I was I was not expecting when I went to your wedding, like this lady just came like, no way.
37:42
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I felt like it was no one had spoken about it.
37:48
SPEAKER_02: No, but it's like a thing, like you have a belly dancer.
37:51
SPEAKER_01: She comes out, I'm like, oh my god, I feel like I'm an Egyptian movie.
37:53
SPEAKER_02: And it's hilarious because if you meet my mom, my mom is like a super religious woman, but then she's the one who booked the belly dancer.
38:01
SPEAKER_02: You gotta love her for that, right?
38:02
SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, we do not book a belly dancer.
38:04
SPEAKER_02: Some traditions die hard.
38:05
SPEAKER_01: No, no, we don't.
38:06
SPEAKER_01: There's no way in hell yeah, a belly dancer is coming to a Pell City anymore.
38:10
SPEAKER_02: But it's funny because like my sister didn't have one at her wedding.
38:12
SPEAKER_01: That's it.
38:13
SPEAKER_01: Well, you got married before her, but I was like, no one had spoken.
38:15
SPEAKER_02: I was like shocked.
38:16
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, oh my god, I'm at an Egyptian wedding.
38:19
SPEAKER_02: So and it's funny, I think there's like a toss-up, right?
38:21
SPEAKER_02: So like I didn't have like a Zephyr group.
38:23
SPEAKER_02: Okay, I just did a Zephyr to the music by the DJ, but we had a belly dancer.
38:27
SPEAKER_02: My sister opted for like an entire traditional Egyptian Zephyr, the guy with the mazmad with the long horn and all that stuff.
38:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
38:35
SPEAKER_02: I think it really depends.
38:36
SPEAKER_02: Everybody kind of puts their that's the fun thing about Egyptian weddings, is everybody puts their touch in something, right?
38:41
SPEAKER_02: I um so I I think one of my most favorite weddings that I ever, ever, ever participated in, attended.
38:47
SPEAKER_02: It was so much fun, was my friend Iman's wedding.
38:51
SPEAKER_02: She got married in 2018.
38:52
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
38:52
SPEAKER_02: Um, so I officiated their wedding, right?
38:56
SPEAKER_02: So her and her husband.
38:56
SPEAKER_02: So her husband's white, she's Egyptian.
38:59
SPEAKER_02: Um, like they did such a good job of bringing both cultures to that wedding.
39:04
SPEAKER_02: It was just the cutest, and everybody had a blast.
39:08
SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
39:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
39:08
SPEAKER_02: So I think I think that's kind of like where Egyptians and Palestinians, like, we differ.
39:13
SPEAKER_02: Like, we don't, we're not like, we're very flexible on like who does what and where.
39:17
SPEAKER_01: But like the belly dancer like was a pleasant surprise for me.
39:20
SPEAKER_01: Like, I enjoyed that.
39:21
SPEAKER_01: I enjoyed watching her.
39:21
SPEAKER_01: I mean, she did a good job.
39:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
39:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I just I didn't realize your mom would be the one responsible for the belly dancer.
39:28
SPEAKER_02: I mean, hats off, mom.
39:30
SPEAKER_02: Chapeau.
39:30
SPEAKER_02: She did a good job.
39:31
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so the next thing is uh the candle dance.
39:34
SPEAKER_01: Now, Palestinians, we have this really annoying, and I don't know where the hell it came from because this is not a Palestinian tradition.
39:39
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, this is the problem with being in America.
39:42
SPEAKER_01: Like, you pick up all I mean, it's not a problem, but it's like, why are we doing this?
39:46
SPEAKER_01: Like, it's this dance at the end of the wedding where the bride is carrying these two big ass candles and she does this candle song, like dance for a song that they played.
39:55
SPEAKER_02: Is it like a little bit?
39:58
SPEAKER_02: No, it's like some other song, and you gotta walk around.
40:01
SPEAKER_01: No, you gotta walk around the hall and the guy's sitting there.
40:04
SPEAKER_01: And we're just like, why are we doing this?
40:05
SPEAKER_01: Like, I freaking hate it.
40:06
SPEAKER_02: I don't know why I just think that in a really deep voice.
40:11
SPEAKER_01: Focus, focus.
40:12
SPEAKER_01: We're almost done with this episode.
40:14
SPEAKER_01: No, but like, I don't understand where that came from.
40:16
SPEAKER_01: And it's I I hated doing.
40:18
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I don't want to do this.
40:18
SPEAKER_01: Like, no, you have to.
40:19
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, but what?
40:20
SPEAKER_02: I think it's weird.
40:21
SPEAKER_02: You know what?
40:21
SPEAKER_02: We all have weird, I think with weddings, we all have these weird traditions of things that we don't want to do, and then they're like, do them because it's good.
40:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but they do it.
40:30
SPEAKER_02: You're like, why is it good luck?
40:32
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, well, where did this come from?
40:33
SPEAKER_01: Like, I want like no one can tell me, like, what how is this part of like Palestinian tradition and culture?
40:37
SPEAKER_01: Like, I just don't get it.
40:39
SPEAKER_02: I know.
40:39
SPEAKER_02: I I don't know either, but honestly, there are there are that we do that I'm just like, why do people do that?
40:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but you did something when we came into your wedding, and you're like, You're gonna be part of the procession or we had to hold candles.
40:53
SPEAKER_02: We did at my wedding, yes, yes, yes, we did at what I who knows?
40:58
SPEAKER_02: It's part of the Zephyr.
40:59
SPEAKER_02: Who knows?
41:00
SPEAKER_01: Are you serious?
41:00
SPEAKER_02: Who knows?
41:01
SPEAKER_01: So you just did it because that's how it goes.
41:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and some people do it and some people don't, and sometimes you're carrying a candle, and sometimes you're carrying other things.
41:07
SPEAKER_02: Like, who would freak up?
41:08
SPEAKER_01: All your all all your friends, you you gave us like a candle.
41:11
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, I'm like, walk, walk, walk.
41:13
SPEAKER_02: We do weird things with candles, and I'm not really quite sure why.
41:15
SPEAKER_02: Like they walked ahead of me with candles, and like when a baby is born and we do a sabor, like the the party, you walk around a freaking newborn with candles, and I'm just like and hot wax, and I'm just I don't there are things that we do that I will never understand.
41:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but anyway, like I mean, if there's an Arab wedding, this is what you uh and if you're invited, you will probably have the time of your life.
41:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
41:36
SPEAKER_02: You should definitely check it out because I think like it's you'll see all the weird traditions and then you know, or interesting tradition.
41:42
SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna say weird, yeah.
41:43
SPEAKER_02: Interesting tradition.
41:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, interesting tradition.
41:44
SPEAKER_01: And some that don't make sense to us.
41:46
SPEAKER_02: You'll have some bomb food, yes, right?
41:48
SPEAKER_02: And then the party part of the wedding.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:50
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I'm telling you, my friend Iman, whose wedding I just went to.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, not one too, not just one to.
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SPEAKER_02: There's my friend Iman's wedding was like one of my favorite.
41:59
SPEAKER_02: And then my friend Mona just got married in March.
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SPEAKER_02: Her wedding, like, we got there, I think, at like 6:30.
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SPEAKER_02: And we, I don't think I stopped dancing once.
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SPEAKER_01: It was so much fun.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And I inshallah, like, when I go to Felistine, I'm gonna take you guys.
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SPEAKER_01: If I can go to a Sahara, I will take you guys to the Sahara with me.
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SPEAKER_01: I will take it.
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SPEAKER_01: I can't wait.
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SPEAKER_01: If there's a wedding, I mean my niece is getting engaged.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So I will, you know, make sure to take some.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, you we can take all of you guys to that Sahara if Lena goes, because she'll be there.
42:27
SPEAKER_01: And you know what?
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SPEAKER_01: I if I'm there, if I have good internet access, I will just go live.
42:32
SPEAKER_02: I think it's I mean, honestly, yeah, I'm so excited for all of our followers who've never seen anything on because we have a lot of like different kinds of followers, and I appreciate all of you guys.
42:41
SPEAKER_02: I for the ones that know nothing about Palestine, I think you're gonna be mind-blown by the awesome things that you're gonna see on because I posted a couple of things when I went to Egypt in December.
42:51
SPEAKER_02: But I feel like there's a lot of Egypt content now on the internet, especially now.
42:54
SPEAKER_02: There's a huge push for tourism, but I don't think people realize like how beautiful of a country.
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SPEAKER_02: Like the different landscapes you see in Palestine, the fact that there's water and there's grasslands and there is there's everything, and it's so gorgeous.
43:09
SPEAKER_01: And I think I think a lot of you know the times that we make it on the news, it's pretty sad.
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SPEAKER_01: It's pretty grim and and grim.
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SPEAKER_01: And so, like, I want to show just the cultural aspect of it.
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SPEAKER_01: I think people would really appreciate it.
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SPEAKER_02: I think you're gonna be amazed at the fact that when you go to these towns like across Palestine, there's like it's bustling, it's lively.
43:26
SPEAKER_02: Like, yes, what you see on the news is so depressing.
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SPEAKER_02: It is, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say grim again, but depressing is a great word.
43:33
SPEAKER_02: But I think you're gonna love the content.
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SPEAKER_02: I really hope we make it to a sahara.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then it is I mean, it's depressing and grim, but it is the reality for Palestinians, unfortunately.
43:40
SPEAKER_01: But like I also wanna But there's nothing wrong with showing that like there's normal life happening too.
43:45
SPEAKER_01: And it's like the culture, like it's such a rich culture.
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SPEAKER_01: It is, and it's a beautiful culture, and inshallah, I can take you guys uh I think it'll be a blast.
43:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but this is it for our episode today.
43:54
SPEAKER_01: Uh Arab Weddings, in case you were wondering, or if you're getting married to an Arab and you have no clue what to expect.
43:58
SPEAKER_01: Expect the unexpected.
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SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, we'll see you next time.
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SPEAKER_02: Bye.