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25W: Jason Garrett on Cowboys Rivalries, Tony Dungy & Is He Returning to Coach? + Bobby on Lebron to 76ers · 25 Whistles with Bobby Bones (A Football Podcast)

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: It's a podcast called twenty five Whist.
• 0:07
  Speaker 2: Stockings and they are wearing a whist. So, yeah, it's
• 0:11
  Speaker 2: too bad, But what did you expect?
• 0:13
  Speaker 3: It's a podcast called twenty five whist souls.
• 0:17
  Speaker 2: Wine, you guys, sounds so stupid.
• 0:20
  Speaker 3: Why don't we talk about it before? If you're not
• 0:22
  Speaker 3: gonna jump off?
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: I was reading a note, ready to note, read note,
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: my bad, my bad man. There's a lot. There's a
• 0:29
  Speaker 2: lot to go. We have Jason Garrett coming up. All right,
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: go ahead. Do you want to talk about that thing
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: happened last week where the old guy slapped the person? Yeah?
• 0:36
  Speaker 3: What on earth at your Wrigley Field?
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: You want to set it up? Yeah? So the Cubs
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: are playing a baseball game.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know who they're playing. But in the stands,
• 0:46
  Speaker 3: this kid's not standing up for the national anthem. So
• 0:48
  Speaker 3: an old man that's sitting behind him says.
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: Get up, what are you doing? Stand up?
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  Speaker 3: The kid does not stand up, and I say kid,
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  Speaker 3: he's probably in his twenties, does not stand up. So
• 0:57
  Speaker 3: the old man, what's he do? Slaps him in the head.
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: Stand up.
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  Speaker 3: It's the national anthem, And even people around are like, dude,
• 1:05
  Speaker 3: what are you doing? Like, why are you hitting them?
• 1:08
  Speaker 3: And he said he didn't want to stand up. Whose
• 1:10
  Speaker 3: side are you on?
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  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?
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  Speaker 3: I don't like that the kid didn't stand up. I
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  Speaker 3: think that's dumb for whatever reason. But don't hit anyone.
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  Speaker 3: You can't hit someone.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, whose side are you on?
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  Speaker 1: So?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if I had to pick a side, I
• 1:28
  Speaker 3: would be a little disappointed like the man, but I
• 1:32
  Speaker 3: would have to take the kid's side for you know,
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  Speaker 3: just getting You can't get.
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  Speaker 2: Hit exactly the right side. Yeah, we're not Nazi Germany.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to make people patriotic. You hope they are.
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  Speaker 2: You hope they stand up. I stand up anytime I
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: stand up, take my hat off of my hand in
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  Speaker 2: my heart. That's the thing I feel that I should do.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't feel like people have. I mean, forced
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  Speaker 2: patriotism is what North Korea does, it's what China does,
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  Speaker 2: That's what Nazi Germany did. So I am patriotic. I
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  Speaker 2: stand up, but I also don't believe everybody has to
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  Speaker 2: do everything that I do. And I hope they do.
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  Speaker 2: But don't you don't hit. You don't hit because of it. No,
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  Speaker 2: you can't hit, so you can even say, I'm very
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  Speaker 2: disappointed in you, and that's okay, but you can't hit somebody.
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  Speaker 2: And and again you don't want forced patriotism because that's
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  Speaker 2: North Korea.
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  Speaker 4: Also, what if the kid is from another country.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, remember when Wimby he wasn't singing along to the
• 2:28
  Speaker 2: national anthem, he have his hand on his heart. People
• 2:30
  Speaker 2: are like, he's not even like, dude, he's not from
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  Speaker 2: America's it's also not it's not his national anthem, right,
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  Speaker 2: and he's in the country. If he chooses to, that's great,
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  Speaker 2: but that's not his nation.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, there are some countries where they kind
• 2:43
  Speaker 3: of do the Nazi salute as there.
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  Speaker 2: I put your arm down in just in case the video,
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't hand over the heart thank you.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I've been like in Mexico, one of them
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  Speaker 3: is like they do that, and I was like, that's
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  Speaker 3: very strange.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like it that the kid didn't stand up.
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: I would have been disappointed, But you don't hit. And also,
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: you don't force people to patriotic. You know how to
• 3:06
  Speaker 2: make people not patriotic, try to force them to be patriotic. Yeah,
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: you know how to make people patriotic. Have a great
• 3:10
  Speaker 2: country and have people proud of living in it and
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: then hopefully they stand up like like you're doing you
• 3:15
  Speaker 2: know what? Though the guy ended up standing up yeah,
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: because you canet beat up because he was like, okay,
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: I'll get up. Yeah. Yeah, that's a crazy story. That
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: was crazy, dude, that's a crazy story. The lebron too,
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia happened on Friday. It's just fun. They're gonna be
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: so good. It's fun. I think I think I'd prefer
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: them to go to Golden State because I just like
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: to see him and stuff together, like the Olympics. That
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: was fun and they're both old and it's like, uh
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: that show it was it called road Hogs or something
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: where all the old men were in a motorcycle gang
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: like Tim Allen and Wild Dogs. Wild Dogs, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: I remember that one. I think I missed that. It's
• 3:52
  Speaker 2: not that good, but it was like old guys one
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: last run doubt and also Draymond who's older too. Yeah,
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: that had been fun. Beside that, I really didn't want
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  Speaker 2: him to go to Cleveland. Who cares, We've already done
• 4:07
  Speaker 2: We've done that, yeah, been there. Didn't want them to
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: go to Miami. Who cares, he's done it already, so
• 4:12
  Speaker 2: Minnesota would have been interesting. But I think if I
• 4:15
  Speaker 2: were to have picked, it had been Golden State one
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia too, But I definitely did not think he was
• 4:20
  Speaker 2: gonna go to the seventy six ers.
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  Speaker 3: Why would he want to go to Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 2: That team's built, Yeah, all five of them, Edge Comb
• 4:29
  Speaker 2: Jalen just went.
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  Speaker 3: Over Yeah, MAXI, yep, indeed when he plays, that's five.
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  Speaker 2: The problem there is usage. All those guys want to
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: need the ball. But they'll figure that out.
• 4:42
  Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking, Like, how are they going
• 4:44
  Speaker 3: to share the ball because there are so many big
• 4:47
  Speaker 3: name players that are used to carrying the team. Maxi's
• 4:50
  Speaker 3: carried the team. Jalen carried the Celtics. Lebron he carried
• 4:55
  Speaker 3: the Lakers. Well, try to carry the Lakers, but you.
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: Know what I mean, Like he did carry Lakes the
• 4:59
  Speaker 2: entire first round of the play off, right, Yeah, there's
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: only one ball, dudes. But I think they'll probably limit
• 5:06
  Speaker 2: both Embead and Lebron, especially early on, so you let
• 5:10
  Speaker 2: that thing fix itself. They have a team that's loaded.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're tied for first in the East odds wise,
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: not overall, but I think they're tied with the Knicks.
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  Speaker 2: Odds they'll be a really good team if they can
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  Speaker 2: stay healthy. Lebron's usually healthy. He has things occasionally that
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: pop up, but he's never had any injury that's kept
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  Speaker 2: him out for half a season and beads out all
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 5:34
  Speaker 3: If you think about it, it's just amazing. I mean,
• 5:36
  Speaker 3: he must have the best doctors to keep him healthy, right,
• 5:40
  Speaker 3: because how are you that age moving at. I mean,
• 5:45
  Speaker 3: he's slower, obviously because because he's older, but I mean
• 5:48
  Speaker 3: he's not slower than any of the players. He's just
• 5:50
  Speaker 3: slower than what Lebron used to be.
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: I would say, it's not really doctors, it's just investment
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: in being proactive with his body, you know, going and
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: sauna and red light and massages and stretching and changing
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: his workouts all of that, and of course doctors too.
• 6:09
  Speaker 2: But it's all of that because if you could just
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: pay a doctor, dude, I still be twenty five on
• 6:13
  Speaker 2: the pickleball court. I know that easy. I could just
• 6:16
  Speaker 2: pay a doctor.
• 6:17
  Speaker 3: Uh So is Bronnie going to the seventy six ers
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  Speaker 3: now too? So that whole thing like just died out right,
• 6:24
  Speaker 3: Like I'm gonna play just so I can play with Bronnie.
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  Speaker 2: He did, I know.
• 6:27
  Speaker 3: But then now it's like, all right, Bronnie, see you,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep playing to win championships.
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  Speaker 2: So he didn't even announce that he wasn't staying with
• 6:32
  Speaker 2: the Lakers until it was a deadline for them to
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: sign Bronnie. So Bronnie signed a two million dollar deal
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: and then the next day Lebron's like, I'm out. Okay,
• 6:42
  Speaker 2: So he made to make sure that happened. Yeah, they
• 6:44
  Speaker 2: can cut him, but they got to pay him. But
• 6:47
  Speaker 2: Bronnie is still a Laker. Yeah, I don't think they're
• 6:50
  Speaker 2: going to trade him. But what do I know. I
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: didn't think he was going to the seventy six ers. Yeah,
• 6:52
  Speaker 2: that's crazy. So that's fun. Tony Romo got a OUI
• 6:58
  Speaker 2: whatever that is? What was that creating?
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  Speaker 5: What?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah in Wisconsin I think is an OUI just what
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  Speaker 2: they call it.
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  Speaker 3: But basically he was just driving drunk, Yeah, got it.
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: His much SHOT's pretty funny.
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  Speaker 3: D I'm telling you, the the internet just having a
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  Speaker 3: field day with this.
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  Speaker 2: Is really funny. I haven't seen any of the field day.
• 7:14
  Speaker 3: There are just so many, like like the Hispanic populations,
• 7:18
  Speaker 3: so have you ever played look Adio, which is like
• 7:19
  Speaker 3: a Mexican bingo, and instead of like numbers in a letter,
• 7:23
  Speaker 3: it's like El Corasona. It's a picture of a heart.
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  Speaker 3: And there's one that I always thought was funny when
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  Speaker 3: I was a kid. It's called Elbraco and it's the
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  Speaker 3: drunk guy. So they've substituted with Tony Romo and he's like, Hey,
• 7:39
  Speaker 3: that's just funny, dude.
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  Speaker 2: I laught so heart of that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: It's not funny that he got a dui or whatever
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  Speaker 3: it's called, but I mean the fact that the Internet
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  Speaker 3: just makes so much it's just so funny at times.
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  Speaker 2: The one that I did see was him and Jim
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: Nance talking about the game and Jim Nan said, Hey,
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: what are the keys to this game? And he goes,
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: I can't get I can't have keys anymore because I
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: got just busted driving or whatever it was. I did
• 8:06
  Speaker 2: see that one that was funny. Yeah, they're just so quick.
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: They're like, they won't let me have my keys anymore, Jim, Yeah,
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: what are the details on that? Like CBS analyst and
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: former Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo had a run in with
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  Speaker 2: the Low Milwaukee According to the athletic while cruising on
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  Speaker 2: southbound I forty three on Thursday evening. Police said they
• 8:26
  Speaker 2: pulled over Romo and the arrest reports that Romo performed
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: poorly on the standardized field sobriety tests and was taken
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: into custody as a result. In Wisconsin, at first o
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: WI offense can carry a fine of up to three
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: hundred bucks along with the surch charge, the OWI surcharge.
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: So I would like to see the body cam.
• 8:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like like when we waited for justin Timmerlakes,
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  Speaker 3: that was worth it.
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to see it. Speaking of wrecks, Kyle
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: Shanahan had a wreck. Saw that, but it happened like
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: in July fourteenth to two weeks ago or so, oh.
• 9:03
  Speaker 3: It wasn't recent, dude. The whole the way they're treating
• 9:07
  Speaker 3: this whole thing is so weird. It's almost like they're
• 9:09
  Speaker 3: saying like he's day to day you know in practice, Like, guys,
• 9:12
  Speaker 3: he's not a player, he's a coach. Like what's the
• 9:14
  Speaker 3: protocol of like an injury report on a coach. Just
• 9:19
  Speaker 3: let him recover and then he can come back to coach.
• 9:22
  Speaker 3: But it seems like the injuries were pretty like substantial.
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: Like what I read was a couple of broken ribs,
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: like forty stitches in the face, like bad wreck, and
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: it was not reported when it happened, and I think
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: they waited till camp to report it. I don't know why.
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know. And then usually like when they hold
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: back details though, you're always thinking why did they hold
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: back details? Correct? And why did they not say right then?
• 9:47
  Speaker 3: And if you were to get into a car accident
• 9:49
  Speaker 3: or I was going to get a get into a
• 9:50
  Speaker 3: car accident and we're fine, like we would have no
• 9:53
  Speaker 3: problem talking about it. Yeah, man, I changed lanes and
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: this guy t boned me and forty stitches rib whatever,
• 10:01
  Speaker 3: But when they when you don't talk about it, yeah,
• 10:03
  Speaker 3: it seems fishy.
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll just wait, I guess and see and
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: not only not talk about it like hit basically hit it.
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, because the wreck I read was in the
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: public record, but there were reporters I knew about it
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: that wouldn't even talk about it yet for some reason. Weird. Yeah,
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: that's a weird one. I did watch the w NBA
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: All Star Game?
• 10:24
  Speaker 4: How was that?
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: See again the internet? Did you watch the highlight reel? Yeah?
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: And by highlights, it starts with that three pointer. That's
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: a complete air ball. I saw probably like four different.
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: Places, dude.
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: And then there's miss layups and miss putbacks and then
• 10:40
  Speaker 3: like steal after steel after steel, hilarious.
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: Kaylen. Her parents and her grandpa was in town, and
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: so he watches a lot of WNBA.
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: Got it your your wife, not Caitlin Clark?
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: What correct? Well, Kaylen, my wife, Yeah, you were talking
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: about Caln Clark. So they're in town and her grandpa says,
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: we're gonna watch the three point shootout, which one he goes,
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: yeah WNBA. I said, oh, so this is Friday night,
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: so we find it. We put it on. And USA
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: Today was already in a bit of a mess because
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: they had reported that Kaitlin Clark had skipped the Orange Carpet,
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: which is the WNBA version of the Red Carpet, in
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: order to get her hair done. Okay, and then they
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: had to come back later and go, oh, sorry, we're wrong.
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: She was actually at a charity event for the Kaitlin
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: Clark Foundation. It is the wildest retraction, so weird the WNBA.
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: They are cutting off their nose despite their face, like
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: they're doing everything possible to slander Kaitlin Clark, but she
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: is the only thing that most people care about, not
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: all because there have been a few fans of the
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: WNBA that have existed, but new people coming around are
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: coming around because of Kaitlyn Clark. I saw a staff
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: that showed all of the engagement for all social media
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: in the WNBA, and they showed the Indiana fever, and
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: they showed every other team individually, and then they showed
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: every other team combined, and it wasn't that of the fever.
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: Every team combined did not have the social media engagement
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: of just the fever. Now it was just one stat
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: So USA Today does the article Kaylen Clark. First, it
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: was an article before that where they were comparing Caitlyn
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: Clark and what she does and how she's flopping. And
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: then they started talking about Emmett Till and how he
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: was murdered just so close to and they created this
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: wild story, wild USA Today story so much so you
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: read it and you got you got a little angry
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: because it was totally unneeded and reckless. So then they
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: do the thing where Kaitlin Clark skips to go to
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: a charity event or skip for her hair. Then it
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, sorry, we met charity event, so knew
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: she wasn't gonna do the three point shootout we're watching,
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: and yeah, it's fine. They did the one thing. They
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: had two balls from the logo, but it wasn't the
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: middle logo. There were three points each. They put like
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: state farm logos a little deeper than the three point
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: that's like the three point elbow area. And so that
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: was kind of cool three point shot to do that. Yeah,
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: I only saw one or two of them make it,
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: but yeah, we watched that and oh whatever, and then
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: we watched the next night the actual game. Yeah. What
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: were the names of the teams? Coop and Spoon I think,
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: And there were just older players who were being the
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: general managers of the teams. And so the Blue team,
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: which was Caitlin Clarkston, the interest her first and just
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: got out of the way. It was crazy.
• 13:43
  Speaker 4: It's just blatant, just they.
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: Just they want nothing to do with her. The thing is,
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: if she goes away, so does like general casual interest
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: in that league period, where would she go? Who knows
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: start her only playing? Who knows she's not going to
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: She doesn't want the attention, She's not even being the
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: one that's so polarizing.
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: Do you think that there could there be something that
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: she's done behind closed doors, or something that she's done
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: to rub people in the league.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: The wrong way? But it doesn't matter.
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: I understand. I understand the monetary benefits and the opportunity
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: to expand the lead to make it more eyeballs on
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: the league, all that. I understand all that, But I
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: wonder if there's something that's rubbing everyone the wrong way.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: But but it doesn't matter. You think Michael Jordan rub
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: people the right way? No? No, you think any of
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: those pis Larry Bird rub people the right way. No,
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: everybody hated those guys. But if you're undeniable, not only good,
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: but also extremely marketable, that lifts the entire league up.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: Like they were all flying commercial flights. You know why
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: they're not now, Why they're flying private A big part
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: of it because of the sudden new fans and interest
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: because Kaylen Clark got on the league. Yeah, I bought
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: the WNBA league pass.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not a fever fan.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: You've never done that. No, So it's wild to watch
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: them kick themselves in the nuts over and over again.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: So that's a weird thing she played, and man, she
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: was chunking balls. She nailed like three out of the
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: first four d three pointers really, and then she would
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: just go down to chunk, just chunk. She ended up
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: being like five or fifteen. She's just chunking. She scored
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: seventeen points for fifteen. Yeah, I like it, but they
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: were but it was all and there were there's no defense.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: They just get the ball and shoot it. Yeah.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: I mean that's like the NBA All Star Game.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so's you bet on it? No, and they they won,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: and she had the second highest points on our team.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: But it's just so I don't know concerning that they
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: continue to try to stamp out the most marketable and
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: arguably important player in the league. I'm not even saying
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: the best age Wilson's probably the best.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know who she is, but she has been
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: for a long time better if I sorry, I know
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: who she is.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: But yeah, they don't. They just are like nat not
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: a girl. It's crazy.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: Does your wife Caitlyn enjoy WNBA or is.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: It just you me and Kaitlyn's grandpa? Nice and there's
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: no other sports on it.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: But but but Caitlyn's grandpa though coached women's basketball.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Good point, right, that makes sense for like forty years,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: so that's his sport. Mm hmm. I saw Obama talking
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: to Kaitlyn Clark. He was like a practice and he
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: like pulled her aside. He was like, don't let him
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: suck the joy out of this for you. He said that, Yes,
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: he was like, this is hard. Don't let him suck
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: the joy because she looks like she just hates it. Yeah,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: even when they introduced her, she's like, hey, she does
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: look like that, and either she's beat down or she
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: has to present that she's beat down and not enjoying
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: it too much because she knows people are are are.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: They're also using her as a divisive tool and she
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: doesn't want anything to do with it. Yeah. So yeah,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: and she's top seven player probably in the WNBA right
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: now really currently. Yeah, I would think they raid her
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: number eleven guard, but they just hate her of course,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: But I think she's the top seven player. She's not
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: the best player. But when Kareem Abdul Jabbar was saying,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: she's not the face of the league, the face doesn't
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: mean you have to be the best. The face is
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: who people know the league for Lebron is still the
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: face of the NBA. Lebron is not the best player.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Lebron is still the face of it. Yeah he was.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: But you don't have to be the best to be
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: the face. You need to be the person that most
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: people know. Ye to be the best, the person that
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: if someone goes, hey, do you watch the WNBA? Not really,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: do you know any players? And like they name that
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: person that's the face of the league. Yeah, that's Caitlin Clark.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: It's not who the diehards know, because the diehards are
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: going to know everybody. Who did you say Wilson? Yeah,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Agan Wilson best player by far. And I don't even
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: know her face.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: I know Paige Beckers.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I know Paige Beckers. Yeah, yeah, she plays in Dallas.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Her Sabrina, her girlfriend won three point shootout.
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: Azy Fudd ac Fudd that's her name. Yeah, trying, dude,
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: any relation to Elmer Fudd?
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: No relation. But yeah, they we watched it. We did it.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: It's fine.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's also helps too that there's
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: really not much else to watch right now for sure.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: And also, man, when they missed, they miss bad big time.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Like they're missing open layups. That there's one girl that
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: dunked it and it was a pretty clean dunk. She
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: made it, Yeah, she made it, but you would have
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: thought how they reacted. She ripped the whole backboard down. Yeah, well,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: because it's kind of like it's rare. You're right, rare,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: you're right.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: But man, the one I saw was the where four
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: people tried to put it back and everyone was missing.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Due it. That was funny.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: And they kept throwing like outlet passes and then it
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: get picked off and then they throw another outlet pass.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: They can shoot, but people are just funny, dude. No,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: it's not that they can shoot. The ceiling of shooting
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: is good, but this the over athleticism. If you're comparing
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: it to men, it's not even close. Yeah. I think
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: have you seen like the I don't even know what.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I don't even know.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: What.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Tell me, have I seen what? Like the women's soccer team?
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: You know we have really good women's soccer national soccer
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they really, We've won.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Four World Cup? Yeah? Do they dominate? They go and
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: play like the fifteen and under boy soccer teams to
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: get beat. Is that real? It happens all the time.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I haven't seen I haven't seen this. Let
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: me get the that's core. Let me let me, let
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: me go to chat DVT. Hello, we're talking about the
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: US women's soccer team and how there have been instances
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: but they've they've played friendlies against like fifteen and under
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: boys soccer teams unlost. Can you give me details on
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: that checking.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: The clearest example is from twenty seventeen. The US women's
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: national team did lose five to two in a closed
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: door training scrimmage against FC Dallas's under fifteen boys academy.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: That result came out via an FC Dallas post, but
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: it wasn't an official match. Friendlies like that are often
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: used to test fitness and tactics and aren't a reflection
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: of competitive play. Carly Lloyd acknowledged the scrimmage laid as
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: well as the physical differences, but again, it wasn't a
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: sanctioned game.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like when remember that documentary I talked about
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: where I think it was the college guys, the best
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: college players played the dream team in a closed door
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: scrimmage and they beat them, and no one ever wanted
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: to talk about it. And then finally the college team
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: is like, now we're going to talk about this because
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: it was the best day of our life where we
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: beat Michael Jordan and the Dream Team.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: This is way different though. Wow, I know fifteen and
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: under in the fifteen you.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Hey, I love how Dallas FC two is just like
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: a tweet. It kill them like fourteen year old boys.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the thing. So it
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: was fun to watch. You can't compare. It's not fair
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: to compare. It's not it's not fair. But yeah, that
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: was the highlight clip. Dude. I laughed. It starts with
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: that three pointer on the bottom corner.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: I laughed because it started with like highlights from the
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: All Star Game, Like, oh cool, let me watch this
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: because I really thought it was gonna be the highlights,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: but it wasn't.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's break, We'll come back and talk to Jason Garrett.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Let's go former Cowboys coach. Now, he's got a podcast
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: called Coach to Coach. You're gonna let me ask a
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: few questions. You can lead us off here. Jason Garrett
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: coming up. All right on Jason Garrett, former Dallas Cowboys
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: head coach, NBC sports analyst, also got a brand new podcast.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about it. Called coach to coach, But Jason,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: this is a thrilling day for one of the guys
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: on the show because he is a die hard Cowboys
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: fan and he was talking I won't say smack, but
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: he was just so curious about you going to the Giants.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna put him on over here. This is Eddie. Eddie,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: go ahead, Hey, Coach, how's it going? So good to
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: meet you, Eddie.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: What's happening?
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I first have a question, so should we care about rivalries?
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Because I hate the Commanders, I hate the Eagles, and
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I hate the Giants, Coach, and when you went to
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: go coach for the Giants, I felt betrayed. So should
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: we care about rivalries?
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: Oh? Sure, absolutely. You know I went and played for
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: the Giants too, so I had some history. Yeah, I
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: had some history in that organization. But yeah, rivalries are important.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: You know, you think about the Cowboys and all the
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: way back to this seventies with the Redskins, and then
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: you know, we had great rival rivalries with you know,
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: all of them, with with certainly the Redskins slash Commanders,
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: but then the Eagles and the Eagles was always a
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: blood bath. And then and then certainly the Giants through
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: the years. So I think it's what makes sports great.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: I really do.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: But then, how do you go from being a Cowboys guy?
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I mean you you were our guy coach and then
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: you go coach for the enemy?
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: Well, I was. It was a tricky decision, and uh,
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: you know it just you have different opportunities at different times,
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: and and that seemed like a good one at the time.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: But you know, I was in the Cowboy organization for
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: a long time as a player and a coach. So
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: I still live in Dallas, so so much of my
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: life has been a part of that organization and grateful
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: for those times.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I do want to ask you, coach, about being a player?
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: What was it like throw into Michael Irvin? What kind
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: of receiver was? What was Michael remarkable?
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Remarkable player? I could talk for three hours on Mylervin
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: an incredible teammate, arguably the best teammate any of us.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: Had a tremendous work ethic, intensity, passion for the game.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: The way he practiced every day is certainly the way
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: he played on Sundays off the charts and was one
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: of those guys as a leader and a marquee player
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: on the team. He knew everybody on the team and
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: went out of his way to support people really throughout
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: his career and since then. And he's a great friend
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: of mine. Amazing receiver. You know, he was one of
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: those guys who loved the ball, so he was always
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: I would get a chance to go play as a
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: backup quarterback, he said, Hey, just throw it in my area.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: I'll go get the ball. And one thing that I
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: would say about him is, you know, bad things rarely
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: happen when you threw the ball to Michael Irvin. Usually
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: he made a lot of big plays for you. And
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: he's certainly never let the defender make a player in
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: the ball. He just had this amazing body control, tremendous
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: passion competitive this to go get the ball. And you know,
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: if you go back and look at the film of
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: him and Troy ape been playing together, you know there
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: was so much trust between those guys. You know, Michael
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: would run an eighteen yard incut, the ball would be
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: halfway there before Michael came out of his break because
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: Troy knew exactly where it was going to be, and
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: like I said, such a big target, nothing bad ever happened.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: An amazing guy. But I'll give you a quick Michael's story.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: Just the kind of teammate and friend he is. We
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: opened up a restaurant in Dallas about three and a
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: half months ago, and we had some opening cocktail parties
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: and so there were I think it was Thursday, Friday,
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: and Saturday night and it was about eight thirty on
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: Friday night and the cocktail parties went from six to nine.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: And he texted me and said, Hey, Red, what's going
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: on here? What is this? He said, Yeah, We're open
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: up the restaurant cocktail party tonight and tomorrow and love
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: to have you come by. Ites Like, I'm going out
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: of town first thing in the morning. How long you
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: going till tonight? I said, We're going as long as
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: we need to go, and shirre it off. He showed
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: up and with the life of the party. But just
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: that kind of a guy, that kind of a friend
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: and teammate to this day.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Was it easy for you guys to get a spot,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: you know, at a restaurant?
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Was it?
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Did you ever pay for your dinner in Dallas?
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: What was it? Like? Beans is at the top of
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: the world back then?
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: I mean I saw the documentary Coach it seemed like
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: a crazy time for you guys.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a crazy time, but an amazing time,
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: and if you reflect on it, you know, it's probably
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: one of the four or five best teams in the
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: history of the National Football League. If you go back
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: to go by decade, go go back to Green Bay
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: in the sixties, and the Steelers of the seventies, the
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: you know, the Niners of the eighties, the Cowboys of
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: the nineties, and then the Patriots since then, and there's
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: certainly some other teams. The Dolphins had amazing teams. Obviously
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: the team that went undefeated, but if you think about
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: a time to win three Super Bowls in four years,
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: and in the year that we didn't win, you know,
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: we lost in the NFC Championship Game to San Francisco.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: Amazing arrow of football and great coaching and some obviously
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: great Hall of Fame players, and people love football in
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: Texas As, you know, so when the Cowboys are winning
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: Super Bowls like that, it's an amazing experience to be
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: part of it. And we had so many incredible personalities too.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, if you think about a Troy Aikman, but
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: you know, you mentioned Michael Ervin Emitt Smith, Charles Haley,
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: then Dion Sanders shows up and so many more. So
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: a real cast of characters, you know, I think Daryl
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: Johnston says it best though. You know, we had a
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: lot of characters on that team. But it was a
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: self regulating team. You know. The players really kept each
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: other in line, held each other accountable, and I think
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: that was a big reason for the success. But certainly
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: were fun times in Dallas for all of us and
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: fortunate to be a part of that experience.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: When you're the coach and you have a team that
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: is veteran led, like the one you're talking about there,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: is it so different than when it's not veteran led
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: and the organizations that you ran. Did you have a
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: team where you had to be more of a coach
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: than other times?
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: Well, no doubt. Sometimes you have a younger team and
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: you have teams, you have teams where you're really trying
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: to empower the guys to take charge and take ownership
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: of the team and understand that it's their team and
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: their time and it's time for them to make their mark.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: And you know, the expression we always used to use is,
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: you know, good teams have a head coach who hold
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: everybody accountable. But the great teams, the championship teams have
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: a head, coach, coaches, staff members, captains, leaders, and everybody
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: who hold themselves and each other accountable of the standards.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: And those Championship Ship teams in the nineties certainly did that,
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: and it's something we always aspired to. But sometimes when
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: you have a younger team, you have to almost give
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: the guys permission to take over, take charge. And we
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: certainly were fortunate when I was coaching to have some
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: amazing leaders as well. When you think about you know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: Jason Whitten, and you know Zach Martin and Sean Leleey
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: and all these guys. You know, Tony Romo, Dak Prescott,
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: I can go on and on and on with the guys.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: So we certainly got to that point. But again, allowing
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: those guys to take charge, empowering them, giving them opportunities
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: to do that. I think that's critical for any championship team.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: In episode one of your new show, Coach to Coach,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I saw you had coach Doungee on and have a
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: couple experience with Coach Dungee and just such a kind guy.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know if your experience with him as a
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: peer is the same. But not only was he so
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: kind to me in both times that we spent any
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: time together. How does a guy like that, like, how
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: does he crack the whip as a head coach at
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: the same time as just being like an awesome human.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's greatness, He really is. He's one of the
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: best people I've ever met in my life. And you know,
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: he's lived his life a certain way, and I think
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: anybody who's ever been around him just simply respects him
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: as a guy first and forem most. And then you know,
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: he was an amazing player in college at the University
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: of Minnesota, then goes to the Steelers and is part
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: of some Super Bowl teams again, you know, some of
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: the best teams ever assembled. He was part of that,
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: and then coached for a long time there and then
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: in other spots. So I just I just think he
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: had so much credibility and when he spoke, his his
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: his coaches and his players listened and they respected what
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: he said. He's not a frivolous guy in any way,
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: and he's just someone who who I think has set
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: the standard in so many ways for how to behave
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: in the leadership role and certainly as a head coach,
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: and his success did not happen by accident. You know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: every so often he'll tell a story about how he
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: got mad at at the team, or he got mad
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: at somebody and raised his voice. He told one of
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: those stories in our podcast together, and you know, the
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: level of him raising his voice is not that high,
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: but that just the way he did it. And anybody
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: who was around him as a coach or as a player,
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: he just commanded their respect. And you know, UH did
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: it as well as anybody. And I was so fortunate
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: when I went to NBC. He was so generous with me,
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: you know, first getting into TV. I mean, I can't
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: tell you the time he spent with me, showing me
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: different things, sharing different bits of wisdom that he learned
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: along the way. And he just an amazing guy. I'm
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: fortunate to call him a friend.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: So in your episode, do you guys talk football or
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: leadership or both?
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: You know, I think the big thing for us is
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: you talk about leadership and team building and a lot
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: of people using this word culture so much lately. You know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: the environment that you create when you're in those roles,
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: and you know, I learned a long time ago that
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: telling stories is something that probably resonates more with the audience.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: You know, I used to tell stories as a head
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: coach to try to make a point to our team.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: And so what we try to do is is tell
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: some stories about experiences that these guys have had and
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: really the lessons that they've learned. And it's not about
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: yesterday's game, this year's team, any of that stuff. It's
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: more about their experiences head coach, when you went to
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: Tampa in ninety six, you know, and you had a
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: vision for the team, Where's that vision come from? And
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: he goes into all the different influences that he's had
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: and relates stories and again lessons that he learned along
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: the way. And the thing that I'm most excited about
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: is I think it applies to I know it applies
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: to people who are in roles. If you're a head
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: football coach, you're you're a head coach, and any sports arena,
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: you know, this is invaluable stuff. But I think you know,
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: if you're a leader, if you're trying to build a
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: team in any walk of life, I think there are
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: some amazing bits of wisdom that you can learn. You
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: know from Coach Dungee and the other guests we've had
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: on so really fun for me. I learned so much
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: talking to these guys.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: If you're a coach and you are extremely personable and liked,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: do you need a guy on staff that's kind of
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: the headhunter? And then opposite, if you're hardcore, do you
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: need like a player assistant that can be the guy
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: that they like into when need to hug oh.
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: I always thought it was so important to build a
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: staff that had a lot of different personalities on it.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: I always thought, you know, have young guys, have older guys,
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: have loud guys, have quiet guys, white guys, black guys,
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: green guys, blue guys, you know, whatever background origin that
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: you can have to be able to relate to players
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: different ways. The worst thing you can do is build
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: a staff that's identical to who you are. I think
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: you want to be able to interact with players a
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: lot of different ways, and everybody kind of plays off
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: of each other. So I think that's a really important
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: important part of it. And you want everybody to be themselves.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: You know, authenticity is so important, so I think that's
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: a big piece of this thing too. So I think
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: you have to be really thoughtful while you put the
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: staff together. Having a combination of personalities and backgrounds. I
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: think that's what works best in connecting with the team.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: One of my closest friends is Matt Castle, who played
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: for the Cowboys for a while, and him talk and
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: he says there was a point in his career where
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: he then in his mind he was the backup quarterback
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: and he needed to be great for the room, meaning
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: the quarterback room, because he started, he got injured. Then
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: he was just moving around being the backup at a
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: lot of different places. When you're backing up, are you
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: always trying to get the head job or when did
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: you decide I'm just going to be a great backup.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: Well, I can relate to what Matt's talking about because
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: I was a backup for fourteen years, and you know,
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: first and foremost, I wanted to be a great teammate.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: I wanted to be someone who supported the starting quarterback
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: because you know, when I was in college, I was
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: very fortunate. One of my best friends in the world
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: is Brian Baron. He's actually the president of the Cleveland
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: Guardians now. He was our backup quarterback and just an
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: amazing friend and amazing support system for me, and I
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: just appreciated that so much. And I tried to do
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: that for my time in Dallas with Troy and Wade
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: Wilson and Rodney Pete and the other guys you know,
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: for eight years, and then certainly in New York with
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Kerry Collins, in Tampa with bradja whoever I was around,
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: so I just knew how important it was. It's a
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: hard job to be a starting quarterback in the NFL,
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: and the last thing you want is to go back
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: into that quarterback room and have some guy who's kind
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: of sniping you from behind, and you want I was
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: all in. I wanted so badly for our starting quarterbacks
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: to play great and do whatever I could to help
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: those guys. So that doesn't that's not independent of saying
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: I have aspirations too to be a starting quarterback. The
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: biggest thing for me was just be ready when your
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: opportunity presents itself, and that's always what I tried to do,
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: and take advantage of that and see where that takes you.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Are the Cowboys gonna be good this year?
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: I think they are going to be good. I do
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: you know, I think you have to remember where they
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: came from.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: UH.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: Last year they were there were they won seven games,
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: and if you look at the teams they beat, UH,
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: they really weren't very good. They beat the Commanders twice,
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: they beat the Giants, the Jets, the Raiders, you know,
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: teams that weren't real good. They lost to Arizona. Kansas City,
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: who they beat, had a down year. They did have
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: a great win against Philadelphia, obviously, but you know in
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: games where they needed to compete against teams that were
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: where they were or better than them, they kind of
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: went away. And I think the easy explanation for that is,
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: you know, the defense wasn't very good, offense was great,
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: defense was terrible, and certainly the Micah Parsons situation hung
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: over their team. And they're in a much better place
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: now replacing him with some veteran guys. If you think
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: about Quinn Williams and Rashan Gary and Kenny Clark, veteran
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: guys who've established themselves in this league. They have some
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: young guys. The Caleb down selection I think is excellent.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: Malachi Lawrence looks like he has a chance to be
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: a big time rusher. So they're really putting some pieces
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: together on that side of the ball, and offensively, they
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: got a ton of They got a ton of talent.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: The receivers are off the charts. Dax to me is
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: the top five quarterback plays as well as anybody in
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: the league offensive line. Three first round picks, so there's
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: a lot of there's a lot of resources there and
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: I think they're set up to have a lot of success.
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: The big thing for me is did they dig in
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: and compete and fight and scratch and claw. They didn't
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: do that well enough last year, and I think that's
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: the next step for them.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Mahomes is able to go in camp, but what does
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: that actually mean for him coming up that injury.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: You know, I don't know. I'm not there, you know,
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: I did see that news, and I think the biggest
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: thing that I learned with injuries is you just have
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: to make sure that you don't rush guys back, and
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: sometimes you have to protect them from themselves because you know,
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: nobody wants to play more than Patrick Mahomes, I mean,
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: the ultimate competitors. So he's dying and he's trying to
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: convince everybody in that building, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready,
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: and those guys are professional enough to know that, hey,
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: we're going to decide when you're ready. But but you know,
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: airing on the side of caution and being deliberate and
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: patient with that, I think is really smart. It's a
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: long season, going to play the Super Bowl until February
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: thirteenth of twenty twenty seven, so there's there's a lot
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: of time between now and then. So you know, my
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: hope is that he takes his time, really make sure
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: that he's ready to go before he gets back out there.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: But I know he's chopping of the bit, and you know,
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: I think I think as an organization, they're chopping at
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: the bit to come back from the kind of year
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: they had last year.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: My final question, you have Joe Girardi coming up on
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: your show, and I grew up a massive Cubs fan.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: So he was a catcher for the Cubs with Damon
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Barry Hill way back in the day, and then he
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: went to the Yankees. Obviously he coached the Yankees. But
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: what do you think the through line is of players
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: who become really good coacher managers.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: It's a great question. You know a lot of people
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: say that, you know, you know, it's harder for great
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: players to be great coaches or managers, because sometimes things
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: happen so easily for them. You know, the great Ted
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Williams line, see the ball, hit the ball, and you
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: know a lot of times those great players just say
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: go do it, you know, and it was easy for
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: them to just go do it, and maybe a lesser player,
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: backup player, had to had to learn all the tricks
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: to the trade to get himself even to a point
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: where he survives. And maybe that lends itself to being
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: a better coach as they go forward. But I don't
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: know that there's any particular you know, formula or through line,
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: like you said that that connects it all. But I
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: do know that when you're a backup player, sometimes you're
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: observing a little bit more and you're seeing what makes
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: a team great and what makes a player great, and
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: you're learning the different techniques and these are the things
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: you need to do to survive, and sometimes that certainly
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: benefits you going forward, you know. Visiting with Joe he
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: was phenomenal. I just you know, he's a good friend
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: of mine, and we could have talked for four hours
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: because he's such a good guy, and he related some
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: of his experiences being around those great Yankee teams as
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: a player in the nineties and what made those teams great,
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: and then some of the lessons he learned that he
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: tried to apply as a manager himself when they won
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: the World Series. And he's so articulate. He represents all
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: things that are good to me in life. He's a
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: great family man, but you know, just his passion for
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: the game and doing things the right way, it all
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: comes through. And he was such a fun guy to
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: talk to.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Some of the guests Coach has on a show coming
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: up Coach to Coach, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Joe Madden,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: who's massive for me again being a Cubs fan, like
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: that was it twenty sixteen? That was like the Holy Grail.
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: He's freaking greatness again. I keep saying this, but I
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: could have talked to him for four hours. And he's
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: such a funny, interesting guy. He's got a great perspective
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: on life, and he tells some great stories about that
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: run in twenty sixteen and the different decisions he had
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: to make. So so much fun having him on as well.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Guys, check out Coach to Coach on YouTube or Spotify,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast coach, really appreciate
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: the time. I hope the podcast gets you everything you
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: want out of it, and you know, hopefully we'll see
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: you back on the sidelines. What's up with that when
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: you can come ack or what, Well, we'll see.
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: I'm just living it each day and enjoying what I'm
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: doing at NBC right now and excited. I don't know
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: if you know, we're gonna travel the games each week
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: this year, so you know, Maria Taylor and Devin mccordy,
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: Mike Tomlin and I will be on the sidelines each week.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: So excited about that. I'm doing the Notre Dame Games,
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: so fun stuff ahead of NBC. But you know, I
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: just take it one day at a time and try
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: to brace the moment.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Coach, thank you for your time. Good luck with that
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: with the show, and hopefully we'll talk to you soon.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I look forward to it. Thanks man, Thanks coach.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, before we go, I heard kick off Kevin, who's
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: not here today. He's on vacation. Yeah, I heard he
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: got out of the Bobby Owned show group chat. He did.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: What happened? I don't know.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: He just we were talking about some stuff or sending
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: pictures to each other to post, like, hey, do you
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: have any pictures of you guys doing something on the weekend.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: We're gonna post that cool and that of nowhere, Kevin
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: just says, I don't think you guys me in this chat,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: so I'm just gonna let myself out. And we were
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: like what, And before we can even like respond to him,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: it said, Kevin has.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Left the conversation. What do you think happened?
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I think maybe he has just seen too much conversing
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: about stuff that doesn't pertain to him, and he's just like,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: I really can do without all the buzzing my phone
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: buzzing over and over over stuff that I really don't
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: care about and it doesn't concern me.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: But does it ever concern him in that chat? I'm
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: not in nice.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Sometimes yeah, sometimes like hey, we're all going to do
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: this and he's part of it, you know, is everyone
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: that works.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: For the show. But he just saw himself out. I
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: thought that was interesting. Who told you, Amy? Yeah? And
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: then he was not here today on the show. So
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: because it's on vacation.
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: Well, the crazy thing is he used it a week
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: before to find crutches.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: You're right, Mike.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Here's the chat Mike, what do you think happened?
• 42:56
  Speaker 7: I guess he got annoyed by the buzzing. But even then,
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: just silence it. Notifications.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, I just ignore, like I ignore you guys all
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: the time. I have been in group chats that I
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: just mute the notifications, or if I look at my phone,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: it's there, but it doesn't pop up as a notification.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: You can just mute it. That's a that's an idea.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: It'll show up as a red number, but it doesn't
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: buzz or actually even pop up on my screen. But
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: if I go to see if I have any mistext
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: or any text at all, it'll be part of the numbers.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: But I'm not in any group anymore. Yeah, you're in
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: the doulas. I guess it's not football season so called
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: latinos for Cowboys. I don't know. We've changed it a
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: few times.
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: What are you saying, Mike, No, it just feels weird
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: to me, like very definitive to leave the conversation, dude
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: out of nowhere.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: You're right, and it's weird because you feel like it.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: That's a big step to let everyone know you're leaving, like, hey, guys,
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: And then it says it like Kevin has left the conversation.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: What if he would have just left? But that is
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: that better or worse? I would say it's worse.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: I would say it's worse if it just said like him,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: have left the conversation.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: So what did you say before his hurrah? Because that
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: matters too. If he said something like, Hey, I'm going
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: on vacation for a week and a lot of this
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: is stuff that doesn't pertain to my job. I'm gonna
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: hop out of this, Okay, I don't feel so weird
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: about that. I'm gonna readbat them.
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, go ahead, he says, I'm gonna bounce out of
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: this chat. Please hit me up on the side for
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: any show stuff if needed.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Thanks. Whoa.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: It sounds like years and years of like putting up
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: with crap like what, we haven't talked about anything crazy
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: on there?
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Just like use it that often? No, we really don't.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: And that's funny.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Mike said he did use it for his own advantage
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: the last time he brought.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Him because of the group chat. You know you can
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: put them back in. You can, yeah, oh you gotta
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: use at him. We're gonna do that then, Like you
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: can get on your phone right now and out of fasts.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: He will not even know he's back in until it
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: starts blowing up his phone again. Because you can add
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: someone easily.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: That's funny. Yeah, who knows. That was weird for sure.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: A three person one, though, you can't get out of Okay,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: you must like to die, you can't. I don't think
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: you can remove your stuff from a three person group chat.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: But you guys have a big one though.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: And does it have to be the person that opened
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: it up or the person that started the group chat?
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I think you can do it right now. You could
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: go into that and there's an ad to group chat.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: You can just add Kevin. I can like it never happened.
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: You're back, buddy, and Mike you can just say you
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: remember those crutches.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: That's see, I see it.
• 45:24
  Speaker 8: Kevin, he's back back. There we go, he's back, Mike.
• 45:30
  Speaker 8: Do you see he's back? Say, Kevin's re entered. Eddie added,
• 45:37
  Speaker 8: that is genius.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: We need to talk about this. We're not done. You
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: can't just leave. Don't you walk out on me, dude.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: That's funny. Thank you. Yeah, that's good stuff. That's funny.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: All right, we're done thanks to Jason Garrett coming on
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I hope you guys have a great rest of the week.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: We'll catch up soon, all right, Eddie blow it? All right,
• 46:03
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• 46:09
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• 46:20
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• 46:24
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• 46:28
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• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Here on twenty five Whistles