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#382: THC-C8 Substance Induced Psychosis, GLP-1 and Overcoming Weight Hate · Pod Therapy

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  Speaker 1: So anyway, Whitney, I want you to know I support you.
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  Speaker 1: no this yeah yeah yeah, then I won't support that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Broadcasts from the chair. And that's Jim, that's Whitney. I'm Nick.
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  Speaker 1: It's time for some pod therapy. How much money has
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  Speaker 1: And she's doing quite well that We don't want to
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  Speaker 1: put that in the main show because of IRS. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's the main reason. That is the main reason. Poor Nick, dude,
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  Speaker 1: you you are a water fountain of allergy.
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  Speaker 3: Because allergy central over.
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  Speaker 1: Here is bad. Yeah, I don't feel good. Do you
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  Speaker 1: use Bennett Dryll? Do you do? What do you taket?
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  Speaker 1: You can't paper towels don't do a good Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's clean up. Those are for me. Those are usually
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  Speaker 1: for Yeah. There's also some lotion if you need that.
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  Speaker 1: I have a whole corner over here. It's just like
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  Speaker 1: to stay comfortable. Well, we talk about strip clubs and
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  Speaker 1: all that. Yeah, dude, you you need to take something. Man.
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  Speaker 1: So for the general audience, it is windy as fuck
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  Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. I was on golfing today.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, are there any like social full pause things that
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  Speaker 4: kind of irritate you that that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, whenever you eat on the show, that bothers me.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Why I'm glad you're asking.
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  Speaker 2: What outside of the show, Like, are there certain things
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  Speaker 2: that like, either in your professional or in your hobbies,
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  Speaker 2: things are just kind of like unwritten rules like.
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  Speaker 5: Don't don't do that or Lalama or Lloyd it's the
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  Speaker 5: worst sell.
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  Speaker 1: Lalama's over there. What the are you doing? I'm just
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  Speaker 1: angry at you, man. There's so many, Like there's just
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  Speaker 1: an infinite number of these little like itchy things there
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  Speaker 1: humans can do. There's a few of them in golf.
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  Speaker 1: Okay that you don't This is the etiquette. This is
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  Speaker 1: the golf etiquette.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and one of them happened to me today. So
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  Speaker 2: as me and my buddy Jack were playing, and we, uh,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't have two other people to fill the other
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  Speaker 2: two spots, so we let those go and another's two
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  Speaker 2: random people. Okay those So we got paired up with
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  Speaker 2: these other two guys and uh, they were in their
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  Speaker 2: seventies or whatever, and one of them just you know,
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  Speaker 2: would not shut the fuck up. It just feels like
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  Speaker 2: he's got to talk constantly, right, and uh, fine, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: I can deal with that, No big deal.
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  Speaker 1: You've been dealing with that for ye.
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  Speaker 2: But then so he starts giving giving me advice unsolicited.
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  Speaker 1: Good, that's the best. So I could hear him.
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  Speaker 2: So right off the off the first tee, Uh, I
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  Speaker 2: I take my shot, I take an iron, I get
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  Speaker 2: a really nice shot. And then they're about thirty yards
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  Speaker 2: to the right of me, further back. Yeah, I go
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  Speaker 2: up to my ball because I don't want to wait.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get the measurements and need to know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm doing playing out my shot all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And I can hear them talking, and the guy's talking
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  Speaker 2: to my buddy Jack and he's talking about me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, He's like, man, he's got it. He's got
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  Speaker 1: a really good swing. He's he's he seems like he's
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  Speaker 1: really like a golfer. He's got a swing is he
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  Speaker 1: as as the day goes on? And I'm not playing bad.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like I'm missing a few putts here and there,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm not playing bad. But then the guy, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he comes up to me. He is like you know what,
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  Speaker 2: And right away I'm like, fuck, I know where this
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  Speaker 2: is going. And he's like, you got a great swing.
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  Speaker 2: You could be a really great golfer.
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  Speaker 6: Have you ever tried talk? Have you ever tried changing
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  Speaker 6: your grip? Change that grip?
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  Speaker 7: Choke it?
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  Speaker 1: And I was just like, no, dude, you don't. You
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  Speaker 1: don't do that.
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  Speaker 7: You don't just do stare him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well then he kept going to like he did that
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  Speaker 2: once to me, and then he said it again to
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  Speaker 2: my friend Jack, just like you know, if he works
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  Speaker 2: on his putting. And then at the end of the round,
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  Speaker 2: this motherfucker we're walking off the green, he's like hey,
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  Speaker 2: and he meant this as a compliment.
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  Speaker 1: He really believed this was the point. Yeah, He's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you take some putting lessons and you could be a
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  Speaker 1: scratch golfer.
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  Speaker 8: Golf, good question. He who had the better score? Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: I definitely did, probably not by much. I mean for
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  Speaker 8: seventy year old.
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  Speaker 2: He was getting around the course pretty good, all right, okay,
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  Speaker 2: but he had a swing you look like Charles Barkley.
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  Speaker 1: It was a sexy racially like. I don't know where
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  Speaker 1: you're going with this. I don't know how to interpret.
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  Speaker 3: He only he only teed off a black face.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's what I mean exactly the whole round he
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  Speaker 2: was in black face.
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  Speaker 1: He was very honest in the.
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  Speaker 3: Tea box, taken off so many wet wipes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're on the wrong side of this,
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  Speaker 1: if I may, Okay, be teachable, man, this was your
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  Speaker 1: mister Miagi moment. Some seventy year old dude who's fucking
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  Speaker 1: earned it. Okay, homies twice your age. He's done lines
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  Speaker 1: longer than you. Okay, he fucking shows up in his seventies.
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  Speaker 1: He's keeping nice, said, he's keeping up. You think he
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  Speaker 1: does mathmark, you're some child, Okay. He's got shoes as
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  Speaker 1: old as you. And this motherfucker gets up there and
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  Speaker 1: keeps up with you and then says, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: I think you could go beyond where you're at right now.
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  Speaker 1: Keep working at it, kid, And you're like that son
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  Speaker 1: of a just pretentious old man. You're on the wrong side.
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  Speaker 1: You are on the wrong side. This guy was trying
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  Speaker 1: to teach you wax on wax off, and you're a dick.
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  Speaker 1: You're on the wrong I would have been like, tea,
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  Speaker 1: you or someone you know has experienced THHCC eight and
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  Speaker 8: carbon chain, making it a unique find in the cannabis world.
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  Speaker 8: Unlike its cousins delta eight THHC and delta nine THHC,
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  Speaker 8: hinting at a more potent experience.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: to kind of zoom out a little bit because I
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: don't know that I have a lot of feedback that's
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: very specific to the strain and like what this does
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: in particular, But it does give me an opportunity to
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: comment on the bigger picture of high potency THHC.
• 16:33
  Speaker 8: I also want to know about any medications causing psychosis.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is something that's I'm seeing a lot
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: of it, Yes, yeah, yeah, a.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Lot high potency THC or psychosis, so.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: High potency TC shrooms and like hallucinogens and people having
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: big episode psychosis as a result, ultimately getting hospitalized and
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: having like months and months long reactions that it takes
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: a really long time and a lot of like antipsychotic
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: medication and get them back to zero again.
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: Yes, I had one client, you know, recently where they
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: are fine now, but when they were in college or
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: like right before going to college, so probably like a
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: decade ago or more, they said, uh, they're like I
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: smoked weed, you know, kind of all the time whatever,
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: but this one time they smoked with a friend, and
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: almost immediately they felt really off and essentially went into
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: a whole depersonalization episode for years, Yes, for like two
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: or three years.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 17:42
  Speaker 7: Until they finally came out of it. And yeah, it
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: halted like their college life, like a lot of their
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: youth was gone to this. So when we started meeting together,
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: they had shared about it, and iza did they Okay,
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: great question.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: So it's kind of like dissociation, but in instead of
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: H you know, like D I D. It's which it
• 18:05
  Speaker 7: used to be, like multiple personality disorder, instead of separating
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: into different personalities. It's like you're separated from yourself and
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: you're watching yourself. And they actually described it really well
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: to me not too long ago, where they said, it's
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: like you're sitting talking to me, like how far we
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: sit in our sessions, But imagine I'm just getting I
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: feel like I'm getting further and further away, and I
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: can't quite hear what you're saying, and it's like it's
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: like a form of dissociation. But they call it depersonalization. Jacob,
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: that's a good.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Question, detaching from yourself.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: I'm not looking at you, that's way.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Jacob's still looking about where he can buy this THHC.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: No, I know where I can buy it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Don't be silly. Of course I've already ordered it. Jacob's
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: wondering where you can sell it.
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: But I feel comfortable sharing this a little in a
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: little bit of detail, because one of the things they
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: just kept expressing in our sessions is why is no
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: one talking about this? Nobody's talking about it, nobody's mentioning it.
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: And they were like, I really so okay. Really quick,
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: as a therapist, we dive into trauma, like what was
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: your trauma history? Like that's the go to for therapy,
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: but they like really didn't have any at least he
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: always said like that I can remember, you know. He's
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: like I really didn't have any like big traumas or
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: anything that I can recall. So like, I really think
• 19:23
  Speaker 7: it was the THHC. It was like the weed I
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: was smoking. So that's like stuck with me and I've
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: definitely looked into it more since working with them. But yeah,
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: they're like I wish more people were just like kind
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: of spreading awareness that this could happen, Like you need
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: to be aware. It's not just weed. Is this magical
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: ya that helps you know everything?
• 19:44
  Speaker 9: You know?
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I think that we've and this goes back to some
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: of the mythology about this, right, like marijuana and psilocybin, shrooms, LSD,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff that the mythology that kind
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: of came along with it being popularized. I mean it's
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: been popular forever, but like repopular in the last ten years.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Is this mantra about it being so natural, right, Like
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: this is a plant, it's grown, it's not this fermented alcohol.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: And these these comparisons were constantly being made. We're like, look,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: alcohol is super bad for your health and all this stuff,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: and yet it's legal. And so like there was all
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: these like multiple arguments being made that created these false
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: equivalencies that weren't correct, Like sure, there's should one substance
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: be legalized versus another. That's fine, have a comparison conversation,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: reach a reach a place in your society where you say,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: there's certain harms we're willing to tolerate, and like this
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: is within the boundaries of that, we're going to tax it. Great, Like, okay,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: that's a different conversation. But unfortunately, in our zeal to
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: like push certain kinds of like libertarian arguments of like
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: let people live their lives forward, we made it sound
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: like these substances, you know, which are different levels of hallucinogens,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: are just all benign And that was unfortunate.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Those have to be two different conversations they do.
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the libertarian like let's legalize things and enter healthcare
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: and everything work itself out. That can be a conversation
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: over here, but it shouldn't be the only conversations being
• 21:11
  Speaker 8: had about about these threadover.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: It pled over and became this thing of like there
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: are no problems the end there, and like to their credit.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: A lot of the folks that were big proponents of,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: you know, legalizing all these things or or enjoying these
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: things recreationally, they were bringing up some good arguments that
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: they were saying, Hey, there was a lot of hysteria
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: in the past, so we should probably assume that any
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: stories of these things being bad are probably these huge
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: exaggerations and hysterical. And so they got this huge benefit
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: of the doubt moved for a long time. But this
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: goes back to your patient's point, where they said, why
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: is nobody talking about this? And there's been this counter
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: swing to the other side now where if you tell
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: stories of having really bad reactions on these things, you
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: can be dismissed really quickly. Yeah, and a lot of
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: folks that enjoy these recreational drugs are like, well, something
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: must be clearly wrong with you. There's some unique thing
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: about you.
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: Although yeah, exactly, but you don't know it until it's
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: too late.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I never think that first.
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: Honestly, what I thought first, from both the writer and
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: from Whitney's story is uh, something else, something something else
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: in the in the making of it, Like eight for instance, has.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: To be uh lab made.
• 22:20
  Speaker 8: They're not extracting the trace amount from each plant, and then.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: They're not doing that growing it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: Some are they're they're not growing it, but they're they're
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: producing it in a lab like all of these and
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: like you're going to have a vast array when it
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: comes to especially something like marijuana that is like pseudo
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: legal in some place like in Nevada. It's as legal
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: as it is anywhere in the states in the state
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: of Nevada, which just means that the state doesn't bother
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: anybody about weed.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: And there's still like weird banking.
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: Laws and all these other things along with the dispensaries
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: and stuff.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: But like you think about like you and that we
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: grow marijuana at our farms and stuff like that.
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: I think it's very important, and I think that people
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: don't think about this, especially with marijuana, But with any drug,
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: any especially any recreational drug that you're trying, presumably without
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: a doctor's supervision, you want to know everything that you're
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: able to know about it, yes, and so like with marijuana,
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: you want to know what kind of strain you're dealing with.
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: You want to know if there's any any kind of
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: contaminants in there with the lab stuff, Like you want
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: to know that shit.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Otherwise you just have no idea.
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: Well when you just sucked into your body, yeah, and
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: then but then you say, like, well, I had.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: This adverse effect I smoked marijuana when you sure did.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which one could be a million different things. And
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: this also goes back to, like again the mythology of
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: everything just being benign, like alcohol can affect some people
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: differently than others certain amounts of alcohol, Like everybody has
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: different stories, like a certain type of alcohol effected them
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: in certain ways, like as a joke about like tequila
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: or vodka or whatever. But like I think with marijuana
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and other hallucinogens, like it is a little bit different
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: because you're you can personally be affected by this in
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: ways that we wouldn't have expected. And when we aggregate
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: this into data and we start studying this over populations,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: we are seeing some negatives now that we're looking at
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: it and saying, especially with like adolescents that are using this,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: we are seeing larger than average amounts of psychosis, and
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: we're seeing later adoption of psychosis early on set psychosis.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: We're seeing stories like this writers and stories like your patient.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I had a patient a couple of months ago, who
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: had a family member who had was a regular drug user.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: They had always enjoyed their alcohol, they'd always enjoyed their cannabis.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: That was just part of their life. And then you know,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: they went out and did some shrooms with some friends.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: They had.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: This not the first time they'd done shrooms. They're just
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: having another trip on shrooms, just having a great time,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, this was the one.
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: This is the moment.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: And you poured, you know, some water on the computer
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: and everything short circuited and this person straight up went
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: psychotic for months, did not know who they were, were
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: hallucinating delusion, A whole different person went from being like
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: what anybody in their life would have described as like
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: just the sweetest, most humble, gentle person in the world
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: to just being a raging maniac who was aggressive and
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: terrible and untreatable, right because like it's really hard to
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: like set that person down, tell them, Hey, this is
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: a psychiatrist. They're going to help me. Like, I don't
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: know fing problem. I'm fine. You're all crazy, you're all
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: against me, you're all Nazis, and like wouldn't take medication.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: They had to hospitalize this patient. I mean a real
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: train wreck, and I just really appreciate what your patient said, Whitney,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: that's like, why isn't anybody talking about this? And I'll
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: be honest, like, even as a substance abuse professional, I'm
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: nervous to talk about it.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: It's just it's not studied.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: There was so little information on that well. And I
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: think this.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I admittedly have not dove too much into the research lately,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: but that was part of the issue going back like
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: fifteen years ago. You know, It's like if you're going
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: to study it, you know you have to you have
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: there's so many variables that you have to be able
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: to control, and with a lot of THHC, it's hard
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: to do that.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Like what is the dose?
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Right, Like you have to know what the dose is
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: to be able to really accurately measure your results, and
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: that has always been a challenge with a lot of
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: this is like how do we how do I know
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: that all of you know, the participants in this study
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: are receiving the same dose at the same time and.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: All the extra flavors and things that go into it, right,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Like the turbans, is that what they're short?
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's all that sort of stuff. But also I
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: think that a huge part of it.
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: Imagine if today we were trying to decide whether or not,
• 26:54
  Speaker 8: like imagine that alcohol was new, right, and we're just
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: trying today to decide whether or not alcohol is going
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: to be legal, and we could look at it in
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: the eyes of a person, uh, you know, hundreds of
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: years ago, thousands of years ago, and say, well, if
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: I drink a lot of this, I get real goofy.
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: If I if I drink a little bit of it,
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: I feel a little goofy, but I could still control things.
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: You're just looking at it like that. If I drink
• 27:19
  Speaker 8: a whole lot of it, I get sick. Uh, you know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 8: I might pass out.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 27:23
  Speaker 8: And and there's some negative side effects if I drink
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: a lot of it. And that was kind of the
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: end all be all of the study into alcohol when
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: it was being decided whether we're going to make this
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: a legal substance or not. If we were studying a
• 27:38
  Speaker 8: new thing today that was alcohol, would be looking at
• 27:42
  Speaker 8: it the way we're looking at THHC. We'd be looking
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: at like brain effects, would be looking at you know,
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: how it affects blood pressure, cholesterol, all these types of
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: things that we never thought about and we don't think
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: about now, correct And like with with with drugs and
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: a spec like marijuana is getting studied now more than
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: ever has I think at any point in history. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: And there are a lot of good things about that.
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: There are a lot of maybe not great things about
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: it because now you've got corporations and kind of commerce
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: involved in the study of these things. So there's vested
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: interests saying that that want to say, like, yes, this
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: is good, and know this isn't right, man, Like, as
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: soon as you get into all that processed stuff, it
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: gets it gets weird quick well, and.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Especially like I like you bring up the process point,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: like when in when Vegas legalized marijuana in seventeen, one
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: of the very first things that came out was like,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: this ain't your granddaddy's MJ right, like, because you know,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the old after school special was a very different potency
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: than all of us industrializing this shit and getting the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: high potency strains that we could get get so that
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: we could get the most bang for the buck.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I've had conversations with people about this exact topic because, like,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: you know, when I was running in a treatment program
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: for adolescents, you know, teenagers.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: That was a big thing.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Is like you know, parents would be like, well, I'm
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: not so much worried about the marijuana, so on and
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: so forth. It's like, well, you probably should be. And
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: the only reason is because even though you consider this
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: benign substance, like even if that is the case, I'll
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: grant you that. Let's just say that's the case. If
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: that is the case, you are still this is still
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: an adolescent with a developing brain, right, you kind of
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: have to pay attention to anything that goes into this brain.
• 29:29
  Speaker 8: Yes, like if the kid were eating thirty ham sandwiches,
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: yes you'll say something about it, or just ham sandwich
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: is much more benign than a ham sandwich, right, But
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: even if you say it's benign, well I'm eating thirty
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: of the.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Salmon, right, Well.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: You know these teenagers are where their salmon salmon, always
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: eating their sale. But but like you know, and I've
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: had these conversations and then they're like, well, you know,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: like I used to smoke when I was a teenager
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: and I turned out Okay, it's like that was in
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: the seventies. Yeah, that's a different marijuana than what we're
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: dealing with.
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: But like you go through the dispensaries now and you
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: get it, and you do have a pretty good understanding
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: or you can, you know, depending on how deep you
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: want to delve into it.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: You have a pretty good understanding about what it actually is.
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they do it like here is this container, and
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: like here's what's actually in this container, which there's a
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: lot of be it a flower, be it whatever it is.
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: But yeah, you get into this other ship. Yeah, and
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: and like maybe this person had a reaction to THC eight.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Well, and I think that it.
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: Maybe they had a reaction to and it is hypot
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: it is and maybe they did a lot of it.
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: We also don't know the amount. Sure, we don't know
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: if there if there were a ham position.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they might have so many things that it could be.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I don't look at tcow and and think of regular marriorana.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: To me, I think hash.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when we're starting to talk about eight, I'm starting
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: to think of that more as like a watered down
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: psilocybin to me, Like we're starting to really emphasize the
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: ship that leads into psychosis.
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: But it's still not getting into hallucinogenic stuff. It's not No,
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: it won't ever be that.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: But like it's not going to be in that weight class,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: but like C eight is getting to a place where
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: it's starting to fiddle with the recipe to a point
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: that it is exaggerating those psychotic it is and it's
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: it's just not classic marijuana anymore. And again that's it.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I don't want it to come off as like marijuana
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: is benign and this Frankenstein breed is not. I just
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I appreciate the letter because I think we don't get
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: to talk enough about how common we as therapists are
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: seeing people who are having psychotic episodes just using what
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: we all think of as kind of benign stuff that.
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: Every single week, I mean every show in town here
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: has stories every single week, multiple multiple every week of
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: people coming in and then having to be taken out
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: by E. M. T. S W during the show because
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: they're they're coming in, they're going into you know, see
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: oh over at the Blaggio and take a handful of
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: gummies before they sit down there, taking.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Edibles, oftentimes for the first time. That's the thing. They're
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: mixing it with booze.
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: There might be a couple of drugs, there might be
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: a little weed, there might be a little coked. There
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: might be a little something else going on in there too,
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: and like people are getting and they're they're just saying, like, oh,
• 32:34
  Speaker 8: it's weed. So I'm gonna take, you know, fifty milligrams
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: of this gummy.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I want to really feel it.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: That's not that much.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Maybe a little off topic, but I'm gonna take a
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: bunch of gummies. Oh, I don't think would be my
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: first choice of.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna get, you don't want to get. Yeah,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I feel I mean love was still going.
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: I think, I mean clearly what you want to do
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: is go on a night where the dead are playing
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: at the sphere.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the mech I saw.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I saw an Instagram reel of somebody who was at
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: that show tripping their balls.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: And they like fell down. They were looking up at
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: the sphere. Yeah, and they were just like a trance,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: but like not happy, like they were scared to die.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: That's a lot like it was for me. If I'm
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: gonna get high and see a show, I think I'm
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: gonna go to the West Wind Drive in movie Theater.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I think that's where I'm gonna go. Oh, you don't
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: need to be high for that.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: There, you will get h there'll be a contact. Going
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: to the Westwood movie.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: It's a fun times in the middle of nowhere.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: We pulled the truck up, we back it in.
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: We have a boot box in the bat so we've
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: got we put bean bags in the middle.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Watch drive in movie.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: It's also get you a pizza.
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: But yeah, we have like a cooler cooler and everything
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: booze and whatever it is.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: It's all the time. But yeah, I know this, this
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: needs to be talked about more. But like what I
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: was saying earlier, why doesn't he get talked about? I
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: think a people that have bad experiences, I don't think
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: they want to share that story, in part because there
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: has been a lot of bad faith hysteria, and I
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: think that there's this mentality of like, well, I don't
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: want to contribute to that nonsense. And then I think
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: also they're probably pro using these things, you know, and
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: they've already kind of cast that vote in their life,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: and the people that they associate with are pro that too,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: And there's the sense of like, well, this isn't part
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: of the party message. I don't want to say that
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: because it doesn't groove with what we all believe. And
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: then I might be seen as like somebody who's off
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: or must have been doing something more than I was
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: telling you or whatever. And like, as a therapist, I
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: struggle with it too, because if I tell people, I've
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: had a shitload of patients have really bad reactions. There's
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: been psychotic episodes that have gotten them hospitalized and fucked
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: up their brain to the point that there's no repairing it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: And they were just doing something benign that we all
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: think of as benign, like fucking shrooms on a regular
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: campout or whatever. I'm seen as old nineteen fifties, fucking Nixonian,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: you know, guy, I'm fucking Nancy Reagan. Like immediately it's oh,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: here comes just say no Jim and he's a square,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: and it's like, I'm just I don't know health care.
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: Here's here's how we can make it right though, what
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: is what do you think maybe you know, percentage wise,
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: what are we looking at?
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Like what rare? But I mean how rare?
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: I mean we don't know because people won't admit to
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: it too. And then there's different levels. And that was
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: the next thing I was going to kind of get into,
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: where maybe it's not uh, cannabis related, but the depersonalization
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: like other people. I was actually talking about the symptoms
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: because it's so shocking of this client with like another
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: person in my life, and they were like, Oh, I've
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: kind of had that experience sometimes. I'm like what you have?
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: I'm like, do people think this is normal? You know
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: what I mean? When we experienced things and we don't
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: realize it's that abnormal, it's like anyway. So it's hard
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: because people just aren't talking about it in general. So
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: I think that's why it's important to mention, whether it's
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: cannabis related or not, or shrooms, you know.
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: I think it's fair to say that, you know, it's rare.
• 35:59
  Speaker 8: These these things are rare, but they do, but they happen.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I do think it all seems to be great on
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: a spectrum. And this kind of goes adjacent to what
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: you were just saying, Whitney, because like, it's one thing
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: when somebody gets so fucking psychotic that they're family and friendly,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: notice it, right, whether it's years, weeks, months, or days.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: But it's like so obvious that friends and family are like, bro,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: we're taking you to a psych hospital. R okay, cool?
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: That is a data point that's impossible to ignore, right,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: This person cannot go to work right. But then there's
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: these other variations where people don't quite reach that level,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: but they are depersonalizing, they are dissociating, they are derealizing.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: There is this subacute level of difference they're feeling, and
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: they're feeling like the rubber band got stretched too far,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: and like they can function and they're getting through, but
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: like there is this lingering like haze that they're in
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: for a while where there's cognitive loss and they're like,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: and like that isn't being reported. I don't think. I
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: don't think that we're studying that enough. I think it's
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: also not story worthy because it's almost like you had
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: a bad hangover and it's like, oh, you don't really
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: mention that as part of your alcohol relationship. You're just like,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I've just had some bad ones where it lasted several days.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I think there are people that are meddling with some
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: of these street drugs or even cannabis that are having
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: that like the rubber band got stretched too far experience
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: and there's like a cognitive like weirdness for a while,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: but it's not quite psychosis, right, but like it eventually
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: you know, and then they get through it and it's like, okay,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: so then how do we feel about that?
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: And it's like and it's also it's so it's such
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: an unknown right that like it's like a Nix said earlier,
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: you can't regulate it with amount exactly right, and then
• 37:39
  Speaker 8: you've got time between.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Like there's so many moving parts.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: The variables are many. Also family history, you know, so
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: we're not sure what it is interacting with also, so
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: you know, there's there's underlying preconditions there.
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: I told you guys about my I have a cousin
• 37:56
  Speaker 8: that works with psilocybin. He studies psilocybin at a at
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: a facility in Arkansas, I believe, and they study it
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: in uh with what do you call the m R
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: I machines that are like real time. Yeah, so they're
• 38:14
  Speaker 8: using uh intravenous psilocybin and functional MRIs to watch the
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: brain and watch the reactions happen and then they can
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: flush with saline and stop the trip like on a dime.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Like the advances and things like, they are working
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: so much on this and like a lot of stuff
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: that he's specifically working with has to do with like
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: Alzheimer's and dementia and that kind of thing, rebuilding pathways
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: in the brain with psilocybins really interesting. That's the thing is,
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: there's so many interesting things out there like that, and
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: I don't understand that. Like I just told you everything
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: I know about job. I can explain it to you
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: the way I understand it, which is though, but you
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: there's so little actual knowledge, especially not general knowledge, right.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: And now that these things are becoming popularized among society,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: we're getting these larger data sets now through public health records,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: which historically we didn't have because even though this has
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: always existed, it wasn't popularized, So we weren't seeing like
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: the suburban folks getting loaded checking in with their insurance
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: to a hospital and that data being recorded right like
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: we were seeing it more like you know, people on
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: the street or whatever. So like it's definitely, you know,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: giving us more insight. But I really just I've always
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: taken the position with the stuff, all of this stuff,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: not just the cannabis, but like all these pieces. I
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: want to have a nuanced adult conversation about this, and
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: anytime somebody wants to come at me and be like, Nope,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: it's all good, it's all wonderful. It's like, look, I
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: get your platform. You can make the argument that adults
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: are consenting, informed individuals and they should be accessing legal
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: things in a controlled and regulated way that's pure and
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: clean and safe. That's fine. I'm not a politician. I
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: am just a healthcare provider, and as a healthcare provider,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I don't really have a dog in the fight. Like
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know that I care whether these things are
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: legalized or not. It's about my pay grade. But I
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: don't want us to ever whitewash or paint over shit
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: and pretend or downplay these things because of the past antics,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: because of the past hysterias, because the arguments in the
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: conversation was at times unfair and instilted or leaning. I
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: don't want to skip over shit like this and this
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: story and the patients we've had, because as healthcare professionals,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: we have a responsibility to inform the public of everything
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: we learn and know so that they can see it.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: And like, look, if you're going to try shrooms for
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: their first time or THC eight, are you likely to
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: have a psychotic episode the very first time we try it? Statistically,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: my guess would be no. But I also want you
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: to know that that bullet's in the gun and like
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: that could happen, and that's part of you being an
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: informed consumer, right, and us as an informed public thinking
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: that through as well, and especially for adolescents, Like there's
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: a reason in Las Vegas cannabis is legal. I think
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: is it twenty one and older? I don't think it's eighteen,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: it's twenty and like that's fine, and like we as
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: a society voted on that, but like zero percent of
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: us want kids having this shit. And all the data
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: we see with kids who are getting loaded early is
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: they're getting fucked up, like the IQ it is messing
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: up their neurodevelopment. It is causing early on set psychosis.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: We are seeing schizophrenia in situations that are not genetically indicated,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: so like this is artificially generated schizophren It just there
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: are some really concerning things, and like even this discussion
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: of like MDMA and some of these medicines, like are
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: drugs being utilized for medicine purposes? There has been a
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: lot of interesting shit that's gone down in the last
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: year and a half about these studies and like FDA
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: trials and stuff, and like a lot of people like
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: believing the hype so hard that these things were perfect
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: and flawless, and the man was going to try to
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: keep it down when truth is, pharmaceutical companies are chomping
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: at the bit to be able to fucking mass produce
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: MTMA and sell that shit. They will have money there.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: It is, you know.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: But like we saw welcome to the three of you
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: that were really upset about.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Jacob got ahead of me on that. Stay
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: out of the disc about it.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Is it chomping at the bit?
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it apparently it's champing champing. But no, like the
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: FDA studies recently with one of the medicines I think
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: it was the MBMA study came back basically saying no,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: it didn't work. There was an entirely independent panel that
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: said nope, the science did not add up. There's a
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: lot of shanigans going on. It did not add up.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: The FDA came alongside it completely a politically just doing
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: the science, and the medicine said nope, this did not
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: do what it said it was going to do. We
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: are seeing false, falsified results, and everybody in there it
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: was like, oh my good conspiracy man, this shit changed
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: my life. How dare you, and it's like, dude, shut
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: the fuck up, Like, we've got a science this shit,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: and we've got to figure it out for the public good,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: and we need questions like this and reflections like ours
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: to punch some fucking holes in some of the mythology
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: here that this shit is flawless and it's perfect and
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I'll never do anything wrong. And if you had a
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: bad experien with it, or somebody else had a bad
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: experience with it, they're lying, and you did something wrong
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: where your strain was tainted. That's all it is. No,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: it is not that it is a roll of the
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: dice every single time. These are very powerful, psychoactive substances.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: We do not know how they will affect you. I
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: don't know how fucking tailan All will affect you. But
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: tiland All's been around long enough, and we've experimented with
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: it long enough, and we've had it mass produced for
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: long enough that we can safely say the vast majority
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: of the time it will not affect you in an
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: adverse way.
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: You can say that pretty confidently, right.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: But these things are not that you know, and in
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: natural or not, you know, synthetic or not, laboratory, existing
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: or not, you know, hyped or high potency or not.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: We just don't know what they're gonna do, like casual
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: ass cannabis, Yeah, probably not, but thcdohow yeah. Man, we're
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: starting to dabble in some shit that's leading to psychotic episodes,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: and we're seeing that in other things as well, So
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: it's important that this kind of stuff gets discussed. I'm
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: really glad that you brought it up, Jesse. You know,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, we don't get a chance to
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: talk about it, And honestly, I'm nervous to talk about
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: shit like this because usually the pushback is peel like it.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I'm glad for the opportunity because like we've had I've
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: had patients that are like, you know, getting hospitalized and
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: over this. But like, whenever the average patient mentions to
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: me that they want to go dabbling this stuff, I
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: have to be very thoughtful of trying to warn them
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: that I've seen cases like this, because if I say
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: that a little too loudly, I come off as like
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: some Nancy Reagan. Just say no, person who's unsafe to
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: talk to about this? Like I have a political incstagram.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: If there's anybody on this show who we would consider
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: the Nancy Reagan of pod there.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, we know okay. Also my stripper name Dancy Reagan. Yeah,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: what first lady.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Would Jacob ben Ladies.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: La La, No, she's well, she might have been. I
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: like to believe it. Yeah, in the fantasy I've had
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: of Laura Bush, she is. No, she's too applesauce man.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I think of him as like the Hillary Clinton and
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: and like I realized she's got her own baggage now.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: But like as a first lady, she was a rogue.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: She was out there doing her own ship, trying to
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: reform healthcare. She wasn't living in his shadow, and she
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: didn't give a shit if Bill was getting blown by Monica.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: She had ship to do. And that's that's your Jacob Smith.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: He doesn't give a fuck who's blowing you. He just
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: wants to make life better for.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: A lady bird Mary Todd Lincoln.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, I like that. I like to get Jesse, thank
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: you for this question. Really appreciate the opportunity to talk
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: more about this and hopefully it opens up conversations.
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: Right, I'm the discord.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: More truth is better, right, So I'm sure people in
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the discord have some stories on this It's just an
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: opportunity for us all to learn from our shared experiences.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I've done a Google search on who
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: is the best first lady?
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm all right. Hold on, let's all take
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: a shot at the standard. Oh there's only one standard.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: I just put in the best.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: There's one one first lady head and shoulders.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: It gives me a top ten list.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: All right, I want I'm gonna take a shot at
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: number one, right now, go ahead, Eleanor Roosevelt all fucking day.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Arguably she was the first female president.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Best first lady, you're saying best first lady.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Lady heads and shoulders with eleanor Roosevelt.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Eleanor Roosevelt, Yeah or nay?
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Or are you going to take a shot at somebody else?
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: I'll just I'm gonna piggyback off Nick.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Who was the I'll say, yeah, no, uh hell at
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: the bottom Carter.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: There there is.
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: No like wait, I know that.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Who was the Who was the one? Rosalind Roslyn Roster Carter?
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: She's love.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: She's was supposed to be just the one who was
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: like he was ship the president was his wife's caretaker,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: like she was a child, and he raised her and
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: then married her in office. This has to be a
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: hopefully earlier presidents. This better not be anybody in the
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: modern area. Definitely that would suck. It was pre Carter.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I know it's probably Jefferson because it wasn't everybody should
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: have been Cleveland. I don't think it was Grover Cleveland,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: but it was somewhere around that time.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Anyway, I can tell you right now who it was.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: It was Grover Cleveland. Okay, Okay, that's.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: What I thought. Way to go, Cleveland. So who's your
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: nomination for best first lady of all time? It's not
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: going to be, but I'll take Michelle Obama, but it I.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Like Michelle Obama did not make the top ten list.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: D eleanor Roosevelt number one easily easily.
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: I still don't know what the criteria of that is.
• 48:26
  Speaker 8: It has a list of criteria there, but.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Not to standard, is it? Jim Yes? What? Nineteen sixties
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: album is often credited with inspiring the Summer of Love
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: options Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band by the Beatles,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: pet Sounds by the Beach Boys. Are you experienced by
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Hendrix or the Velvet Underground and Nico from the Vet?
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Give me that Sergeant Pepper one point? Yes, Whitney who
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: was the original lead singer of a CDC.
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: Fly I don't know, No, I don't know.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Brian Johnson, Bond, Scott Young, give me welcome Young. Oh god, damn,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: this is.
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: A Angus Young.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: No guitar player.
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a guitar player.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Anybody, anybody know anybody at all? But anybody but anybody
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: want to shot?
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Take a random I also would like to pick this Angus. Okay,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: it's still not I want to bounce that off the
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: backboard and see if we can try again.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: You can give the answer, but you got to do
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: it in his voice?
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Very good? All right, Jacob?
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Which rapper worked better than I thought it was?
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Which rapper released the influential nineteen eighty eight albums straight
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: out of Compton? Come on, that's uh, that's oh my
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: fucking god, it is not. I'm sorry. Give me some run.
• 50:11
  Speaker 9: No damn it, Oh my gosh, I want options.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, public Enemy, Beastie Boys, n w A or run DMC.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Damn try to run DMC again? A?
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Yes? What is what is a Whitney?
• 50:36
  Speaker 8: Possibly gonna do a whole bit about I was not
• 50:41
  Speaker 8: actually saying that I thought.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: You fooled me. I may have reacted so hard that
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: I lost you the question.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I may have convinced Nick that you were serious. We
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: can do three more if we go quick. That's there.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: We've got the time. What did Madonna? What year did
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Madonna release her debut album? Oh? Oh, Jesus, can I
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: ask you what the debut album was? It was her
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: first album? Okay, okay, don her first album is I'm
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: gonna yeah, I want to shoot from hip, but I'm
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: gonna take answers. Give me give me options.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Eighty one, eighty three, eighty four.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: All right, answers around the list. I was gonna say
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: eighty five off the episode. Actually, I'm really glad I
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: take those.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: I was thinking eighty six.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Let me go right for the middle of the pack.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Give me eighty two, No.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Eighty one, No eighty four, five points for Nick all
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: right Whitney, which band's drummer lost his arm in a
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four car accident and continued playing Wow, Oh
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: my gosh.
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: Options, I don't know you.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Ye Deaf Leopard, Metallica, Guns n' Roses or Motley Crue.
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: Oh my goodness, Flippard.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: One has one R. I didn't know any of this me. Hey,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: good job, well done. All right, Jacob, I think you
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: know this one? Okay? What was the first music video
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: ever played on MTV?
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Video Killed the Radio.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Story, Bye the.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Ship?
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I go fuck yourself?
• 52:29
  Speaker 7: Yes?
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Who is that joke? Is that? Bro? It is not?
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Who is it?
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: The Buggles, The Bugles, the Bugles, Jesus.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Rolling down the street? A mop six vot All right,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: back to the show. So who's winning? I am? I
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: got five points? I got Jim thought it was legitimately
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: run DMC was an option? I know it was crazy
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: there was.
• 52:57
  Speaker 8: A whole movie called Straight out of Compton with the watch.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good movie.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: If I would have gotten options, I think I would
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: have pulled n W out of there. Now I probably
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have. I would have, damn it. That's on me. Also,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I reacted so hard to your joke
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: answer that I cost you the but also the legitimacy
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: of how horrified I was that I bought I swallowed
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: the hook. So I mean, at least you know what
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: you and didn't know the real answer. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: The amount of outrage I had at your fake joke
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: answer and then fucking it up myself, that is perfect.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: There's nothing about that was you losing anything? All right,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: So we got a great feedback letter. So let's see.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I think this one references.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, Hi, guys, I'm writing or I'm saying, guys. Since
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Whitney wasn't there for the episode in question and doesn't
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: deserve it, I haven't off without it writing in about
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: your recent episode which was titled veggies on the Patreon
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: but veggietails.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: Ye, exactly like veggietails.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: It was episode three eighty one. For everybody listening and
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: the weight loss question you answered. I think y'all were
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: spot on with the context of how significantly personal the motivations, causes,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: and struggles of weight loss are.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much, nailed it.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Thank you. That's all the time we go for today's.
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: Episode ends there.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: We got the gist of it. Yeah, that's pretty much
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: what the author's trying to say. But I think there's
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: one area that you missed covering. I know you aren't prescribers,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: so you generally don't talk a ton about medication on
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: the show. But since you had a medication and depression
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: question in that same episode and mentioned addiction treatment, which
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: can use medications, it feels like a missed opportunity to
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: at least mention the advances in medication based treatments for
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: weight loss and obesity. During your answer, you also mentioned
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: metabolic therapy and a comment about no prescriptions. It's all
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: inside like that was somehow better than a medication based approach. Again,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: it all depends on the scale of necessary and moti
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: necessity and motivations for weight loss between Nick's desire to
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: just drop a few pounds to Jim's more pronounced loss.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I'll chime in with a little bit of where I'm
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: coming from as well. For my entire adult life, I've
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: been morbidly obese or class three slash severely obese if
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: we're being specific. My highest weight was probably somewhere around
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: four hundred and forty pounds. Starting last year and working
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: with a bariatric weight loss specialist, I'm down about seventy
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: pounds right now, with the eventual goal of landing around
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: two hundred pounds much further down the line. A significant
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: portion of this has been due to the newly popular
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: GLP one agonist medications like Wagovi and zep bound, both
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: of which are specifically approved for weight loss, unlike some
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: older names you may recognize for diabetes, but we're being
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: prescribed off label for their weight loss benefits. I was
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: surprised that you didn't at least give these medications a
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: mention in the same way you described SSRIs being used
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: to lessen the edge or reduce the effects of depression
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: to a point where other treatments could become more effective.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Since a major part of using these weight loss medications
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: is combining them with a fitness and diet or nutrition
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: component as well.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: Fitness medication than your ASSO some pository.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Obviously a big mention needs to be made about very
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: spotty insurance coverage as well. Again, y'all know I love
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: the show and generally don't bother to write in a ton,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: but wanted to make sure that this at least got
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: a quick mention your pal their producer Dan Martin. Good question,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: So quick recap for Whitney out. So we had a
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: question that asked about the psychology of weight loss, and
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: basically it was asking us, you know, to comment on
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: what it's like to go through that process and then
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: also kind of mining for like brain hacks tricks like
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: what can we borrow from psychotherapy that might be helpful, right,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: because it's easy to say eat less, exercise more, and
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: just kind of talk about the physiology. But the writer
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: of the question last week was sort of asking can
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: y'all just kind of think and reflect on like weight
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: loss from a mental health perspective, right, So basically our
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: answers ranged a lot of different things. It is, yeah, yeah,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: it was. One of the things we talked about is
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: like it's among one of the harder things human being
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: can do. And we had a variety of comments on why.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: But I think like our main takeaways in that particular question,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: we were talking about how yeah right, yeah, you just
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: don't you lack the will, like if you just want
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: it bad enough, it can happen. But and we did
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: our best Andrew Tait in person, Yeah, yeah, yeah, we
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: just talked about snatch and from souls from otherfuckers. Ye,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: your week, that's the problem.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: But the episode goes far and crazy when you're not
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: here with Yeah, you.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Really needed some supervision. We brought in Handy a tizzle.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: You did a great job. But no, like, we didn't
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: talk so much about medicines in that one. I shared
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: my weight loss journey pretty candidly with the audience. That's
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: that's pretty much the fine. Yeah, thanks thanks, So like
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: I kind of candidly talked about my journey, yeah, Jim
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: so Yeah, So we talked about all that, But earlier
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: in the episode we had talked about medicines is like
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: a cure for depression and why that was an important intervention.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: So now you're caught up. But yeah, we didn't mention
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: GLP ones at all because I think we were giving
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: more psychology advice. But I think Dan's kind of circling
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: and being like obvious guys. You know, like that is
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: the most interesting news and weight loss in the last ever.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: You know, we should talk about that. Yeah.
• 58:55
  Speaker 7: Well, and I know it's not necessarily like psychotherapy, but
• 58:59
  Speaker 7: it is to my understanding, like hitting craving sensors in
• 59:05
  Speaker 7: your brain, right, like, yeah, you.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Feel sated, that's all it's doing. Yeah, jlp ones are
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: essentially I forgot the the G and the ELA's, but
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: the P is for peptide. I remember that. Great, thanks,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: And so functionally I know that it's imitating tide there
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: it is. That might have been a different one, I
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: don't know, but yeah, like I know that it's imitating.
• 59:26
  Speaker 8: A la lucagon like peptide one.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: That's it, yep. And so they're there to instigate that
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: kind of thing in your in your body. And then
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: once your body senses that that particular peptide, it feels
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: saated and so you're right, like it basically attacks our
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: natural craving cycle for food and makes it so that
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: we don't necessarily want anything else and we don't want food,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: like we just feel full. It tells the body you
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: are full. Yeah, And it's interesting, right because like if
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: you really get into it, like I really want to
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: just preface everything I'm about to say that I feel
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: that I can rightfully call myself an authority about mental
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: health issues. Nothing I'm about to say do I have
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: any training or credibility and whatsoever. But here we go.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a shot at it. Never stopped us,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: never stop me before. One of the interesting things that
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: happens with the stomach lining is that in theory, when
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: the stomach lining is like stretched and so it's it's
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: pulled taut because there's food inside your stomach, that's when
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: it starts to secrete the peptides, which I thought was
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: like peptide why why that causes the sense of satiation.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: You're done, you're full, And it takes about twenty minutes
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: for I believe, for that to saturate the bloodstream and
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: give you that signal of fullness, and then therefore you stop.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: But what's interesting is the larger your stomach gets, then
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: the more it will contract at various points. And when
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: it's wrinkly, when the inner lining of that that stomach
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: is is wrinkly, it secretes the other hormone, which says
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: you've got space to fill, you should eat right, And
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: so this becomes the runaway effect of growing your body
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: growing bigger and bigger, and then like that innerlining contracting,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: and therefore you want to put more in it, and
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: then it takes more to fill you, and then round
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: and round the circle goes right. And so what's really
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: fascinating about like GLP ones and I think that the
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: miracle it's bringing to a lot of people's lives is
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: it's allowing us to interject in a rational way something
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: our body cannot rationally perceive. Right that you are fine,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: that you've received all the necessary calories and nutrition for
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: your time. Don't believe what your body's telling you. And
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: so here's a way that the body thinks and communicates
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: that this medicine ultimately does. So I'm really glad that
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Dan wrote in about this. It's a huge oversight on
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: our part, you know, the fact that we didn't even
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: mention this. We're talking about intermittent fasting, We're talking about
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: you know, weight loss, we're talking about working out, we're
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: talking about fitness. We spent a whole segment a talking
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: about the way that the brain and body chemistry can
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: be utilized as sort of an intervention.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: I actually had a lot more on this that topic
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: that I was going to go over. Oh, we're just
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: we were just kind of running out of time, Okay,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: so kind of remember it now.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Oh isn't that convenient? Yeah? Yeah? Fuck off? Well Dan,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: first off, yeah, sick to do the show guys.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: Uh so, Dan, first off, congrats, you're kicking ass.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: That is.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: You know, if you're asking kind of our thoughts on
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you my thoughts on on you know, medication
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: being used for this purpose.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: I'm all for it.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: You know, honestly, at the end of the day, it
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: to me, it's kind of like I take the same approach.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: It kind of feels the same to me as the
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: conversation around opioid medications.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, you know because like methadone.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Methadone and orphine, uh yeah, all of that subtext, all
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: that stuff where it's like, uh, you know, talking about
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: the old timers will say like, oh, no, that's your
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: You're just swapping out.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: One drug for another. You shouldn't do that.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: There's a method for doing this this way the Nancy
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Reagan so.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Synonymous same thing.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, like our main
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: purpose with all this is decreasing symptoms and improving functioning,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: And if the medication is doing those two things, why
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: would we not use it? That's like, you know, it's
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: like we've it's kind of like, uh, you know, like
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: the invention of the calculator, where it's like, oh, well, kids,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: if you teach them how to use a calculator, they're
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: not going to know how to do math. It's like, yeah,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: but they live in a world with a calculator, Like, like,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: why would we not use this technology to our advantage?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: And you know, if if these medications are helpful, if
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: they're not causing you know, other problems, Yeah, why would we.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Not use this? Yeah? Yeah?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: And and it may not be the answer. It's not
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: going to be the the have the complete answer to it.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: But if it is a tool in the toolbox and
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: it works, let's utilize it.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely. When the whole ozembic stuff really like became
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: a craze, and I don't know, was that a year
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 7: ago or so or two, I don't know, it's been
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 7: a while. When that first happened, I did watch a
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 7: lot of like YouTube commentary videos. I was like just curious,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 7: I'm like, what are other people saying about this? And
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 7: I feel like it got a lot of hate in
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: the beginning. It still does. I think it gets a
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 7: lot of hate unnecessarily to an extent for reasons you
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: just named nick and the reason the writer is saying,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: like this is helpful to give me that boost I
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 7: need and help me get to a manageable place to
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 7: kind of say I can do this, actually think about that.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 7: With like antidepressants, I've had clients say, well, I've thought
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 7: for years and years and years about killing myself and
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 7: I took an antidepressant and I don't think about it,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 7: and it kind of lets them know there's a world
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: you live in where you don't have to think about
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 7: killing yourself every day. So it's like giving you a
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: taste of what's possible what you were saying too, and so, uh,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 7: I think I get nervous when and this isn't the
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 7: medication's fault, but when we teeter into what's available now,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 7: which is people. I had a friend got it on Amazon.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, you can just buy it on Amazon.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 7: Something I don't know. Something is in the package she
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 7: gets and she lost weight.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: So it's called.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 7: A guy.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: I know, we will hawk your bills.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: But we teeter her into an area where, uh, from
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 7: looking at this person before, they were not even in
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 7: an overweight category for looking at Bay, but they were
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 7: unhappy with their weight, and so then they're taking this medication,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 7: and I worry about things like it's because you're not
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 7: able to eat or feed your body appropriately, just like
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 7: with bypass surgeries and things like that. Okay, you're at
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 7: risk of losing muscle mass, and like it's just a
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: lot of effort to maintain.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe the side effects didn't justify this.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 7: For this, right, you need that if you were not
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: in maybe an obese or morbidly obese category where this
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: is saving your life, if you're in that sure versus
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: I want to be skinnier, which I don't know. I'm
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 7: not judging. I'm just like, there's more to think about.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: I think that's a good nuanced perspective, right, which I mean,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think elective weight
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: loss procedures are not new, right, Like we've all seen
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: trim spas and like all these different you know, procedures
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: that people will undergo for all these variety of reasons,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: just you know, to lose weight. And we might say, well,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: should you medically qualify for all this extra work and
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: it's like no, but cosmetically, I choose to and it's
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: my body. I'm going to do what I do. And
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: it's like okay for sure, But I think what you're
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: trying to state there is just Hey, as a healthcare helper,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I just want to make sure people are thinking this
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: through because even though these are widely celebrated medicines, they
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: are changing people's lives, they are saving people's lives. They
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: are also becoming, you know, rather popularized as they should be.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: And then we just want to make sure everybody's thinking
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: that through carefully consulting with a physician, right whereas your
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: buddy just straight up goes on like Amazon dot India.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: And it's like injecting their You're like, it's like, you know.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: I care about you a lot.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: I just hope that you're about the ship that you
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: put into your body seems.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: To know about what you're putting in your body. Whitney
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: or know who? Either way, Yeah, I forgot it.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 7: Episode then I can't use it.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: We just get royalties. That's really fat.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: It's always this is always a tough topic to bring up.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 7: I bet you hate it. As a personal trainer.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know, but like you, there's no way
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: to talk about this without stepping in a trap. Sure,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: And I think that's the frustrating part, is yeah, because
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: like you know, when you say something like like I
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: just said, like, hey, you know, if it's there, let's
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: let's use it as a toolbox. But then there's always
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: you can somebody can always throw in like okay, but
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: here's here's an extreme. Sure what you think this person
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: should do. It was like, well, no, because that's not
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: what I was saying.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: But it's like, but.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's such a hot topic right now to
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: just jump into. I was watching this uh uh this
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: YouTube clip of a guy who's a male model but
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: he's a plus size model and so you'd model clothing
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: for men whatever, but plus sizes and whatever, and uh for.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 8: The USPS, yeah, he's a male model, male model, but
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 8: stamps on himself.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Seductively. Dude, USPS, really quick, some fucking advice. Just do that, like.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: Spokesperson were just a male model.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he just got his dick in a box,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: Like come on, I've.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: Got a priority package.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: There is there isship.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: Anyway, he came out publicly and he just said like, yeah,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna lose some weight, and he was like, I'm
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: going to keep my career as a plus size model.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: I just want to I'd like to drop about forty
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: pounds and no big reason. I just I wanted, you know,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: all that and just that amount of fucking hate that
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: this guy got just for doing that, and just like
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: you don't have to do that. It's like, well, but
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: it's still his choice, and it's not you know, it's
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: not like he was, uh, you know, like significantly already underweight,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: like it's an eating disorder and he's trying to lose weight.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: It's like, can I comment on that for a second,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: because you just you just touched a nerve that like
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: here we go. God damn it. I didn't expect this
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: from you too. I'm gonna agree with you, okay, but
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: it's a nerve that Like last episode, I mentioned like
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: the internet fasting, and I mentioned like how it was
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: slightly controversial. I didn't speak much more on that, but
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: like in the fasting community, this is something a lot
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: of us are really we struggle with a lot like you,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: under no circumstances, do you tell friends and family that
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: you're doing this? Because of like what you just said,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: like the blowback will be very aggressive, and I think
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of people that use GLP ones relate to
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: some of that energy. It's it's it's often not celebrated.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Friends are like are you sure you should and they're
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: questioning it and they're like, oh, you know, is that
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: really safe? Have you tried exercise? If you tried diet,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: And there's all the second guessing, right, and it's very insulting.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: I think that's a big part of it. It completely
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: bypasses a lot of the unique difficulties, especially in American
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: diet culture, and like the way that our food is
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: allowed to exist in all of its chemistries and why
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: this is uniquely difficult, but like it is really just difficult,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: And it goes back to this idea of like, so,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: like I mentioned that I've lost sixty pounds, and like
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: I had a colleague at one of the many jobs
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: that I have in the world who hadn't seen me
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: in months, just happened to never cross paths. We're in
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: the same building, we just never seemed to bump into
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: each other. And one day there was a group meeting
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: where this individual came into the meeting and had seen
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: me for the first time in months, and in front
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: of a large audience of people who I was addressing
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: at that moment, this individual absolutely could not help themselves
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: but to be shocked and say, oh my god, I
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: wasn't wearing baggy clothes like right remembers sweater and jeans.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: I was wearing fitting clothes. And they were like, oh
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: my god, are you okay?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: Oh shit?
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: And I was horrified, and I was like, I'm fine,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: some tons of fun. Yeah, how are you? And this
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: individual walked up to the stage where I was addressing
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: an audience and said, oh my god, are you healthy?
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Are you okay? And and It's like, yeah, just in the
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: middle of presentations, h thanks for calling me out.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 7: I'll let you know my medical history right now.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: And it was such an awkward moment and like I didn't,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't respond in any negative way. I was but
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: I was completely flabbergas that I was completely caught off guard.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: And all I could say was like to laugh and
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I'm great. How are you are you healthy?
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Like to try to like almost like why would you ask?
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: That's a silly question? Are you healthy? Are you? Pal?
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen you in a long time. And I
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: think by that point they started to realize like, oh shit,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: there's an audience here, and I'm I'm wrong. Yeah bye,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: And just like they just like no, no, no, just
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: like shuttled across the off exactly like, oh shit, I'm sorry,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: and just like had no no other recourses. But like,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: these kinds of things come up a lot, and it
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: really does circle the usps, you know, male model that
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: you're talking about, and the stigma that goes along with
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: losing the weight. And this is something in the in
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: the fasting community that other people have discussed, and there's
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: this commentary that a lot of us will reflect upon
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: and be like, nobody gave a fuck when we were
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: eating ourselves to death, right, Like nobody gave a fuck
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: when we were all morbidly obese and fucking dying and like,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: you know, dying from all the health hazards that come
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: with this shit. But when we decide to take some
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: goddamn medicine to lose some weight or do something that
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: works for us that is slightly drastic, all of a sudden,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: everybody is a fucking opinion about it. And now they
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: all can't wait till run just be like, ooh, you
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: know that fisting could be bad for your pinker is no, no,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: you know that this medicine could you know, make your
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: stomach go deaf or whatever the fuck And like now
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: you can't eat normal foods anymore, like if you tried
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: all these other things. First are you're drinking enough water?
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: And it's like, shut the actual fuck up, Like you know,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: none of you gave a fuck whenever we were killing
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: ourselves with obesity. That's socially acceptable, you quietly like it's
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: really not good for you, But like nobody gave a
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: fuck when we put our fork in our mouth again.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: But like everybody has a goddamn opinion when somebody tries
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: to get healthy, and if they're doing it by these
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: you know, helping means everybody wants to talk about it
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: because they think we're cheating, you know, or like something
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: like that. And just you said that and it just
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: wanted like it got my hair standing in the back
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: of my neck, Like I want to speak on behalf
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: of those like taking the GLP ones that often feel
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: like they're not allowed to fucking tell anybody because they'renna
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: beestion for it.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just want to say women have the reverse
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 7: Oh okay of that. So what you're saying hit zero
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 7: nerves with me. I feel like for women when they're
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 7: overweight or obese, it is, oh my god, are you okay?
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 7: You need to be doing this? This? Like what you know?
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 7: Get to the gym? What are you doing? Lots of questioning.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 7: And then when they lose weight, which usually is due
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 7: to stress or what you know, something isn't healthy. You
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: look amazing.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, they're complimented with being concerned.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you look fabulous. So that experience so you had
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 7: on stage, I'm like, oh my god, you look so
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: good and you're like, actually, I've been like depressed, I
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 7: haven't een because I'm going through divorce whatever, like, and
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 7: they're like, you look great and you're like superya. I
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 7: would love to hear them put from others, but that
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: is an interesting woman's Yeah, but.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: I haven't thought about on the show.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 7: You're welcome. I'm done out by guys.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: I've heard that before. It seemed weird for me to
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: bring it up there.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 7: Thank you Jacob for letting me.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: There's a lack of estrogen. Womfortable you say, but I.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 7: Just had to say that. But I also want to say,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 7: I hadn't really thought about it the other way for men,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 7: Like you're right, men are almost seen as like oh well,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 7: and being from the South, Jacob maybe can attest this.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 7: The bigger the better. It's like, oh, you're a big
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 7: boy or or whatever, like you're a Burley. He's a man,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 7: and like, I don't want my men smaller than me.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 7: It's like a weird thing that there.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Can be that stick. I would ask you this though,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: so like as in the lady culture, if if women
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: are chatting, which is what it's known, Yeah, the lady tour.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know how that's what he was like when
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: he was out dating. Yeah, some place with some high lady.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for some lady culture like cheetahs when I
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: when I go up to the bartender in my vlur
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: s and I'm like, excuse me, my man, any lady
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: culture going around these parts. Yeah.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 8: Used to be a strip club in town called Club Paradise,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 8: and all the strippers in there, they would all wear dresses.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: That was due to the ladies.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: I always order myself and apple Teeni's they know me
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: like that guy, something about that guy and his low skirts.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: Who knows but in lady world, if if you if
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: please call it name culture, but I would, I would,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: I would wonder. I'd be curious if if any person,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: man or woman, or anybody tells a friend, uh of
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: any gender, Hey, I'm fasting or I'm taking medicines to
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: lose weight. I mean, I don't imagine that one hundred
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: percent time. It's just instantly celebrated. It's like, oh my god,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: good for you. You're gonna look amazing. I imagine there's
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: a curiosity because if you tell your friend like, so,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: I've really started going to the gym a lot more
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: and I'm cutting carbs, a lot of friends be like,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: good for you, that's great. But if you look at
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: your friend and go, so I've started GLP ones with
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: the assistance of my doctor, and I'm starting to fast
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: two days a week. And I imagine there's some stigma
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: around those things that the be like, oh my god,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: are you sure? Like if you tried to, like, wouldn't
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: you get second guests a little bit?
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 7: I feel my opinion is that the GLP ones are
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 7: falling in the same category as a weight loss surgery
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 7: used to fall in. It was seen as like a cheat.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 7: I think people that respond in that way are personal.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 7: It's them problem the person commenting. I'm thinking, like, well
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 7: you get to use that, and like, I don't you
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 7: know what I mean. It's like a very internal I'm
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 7: really diving into all that they're in assuming. But that's
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 7: my opinion on it.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: You do see it though.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 8: It is kind of.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: Funny you're you're mentioning this. I feel that a lot
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 7: of people in my circle at least or that I
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 7: know friends of friends. Uh, fasting is talked about and
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 7: not criticized.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, It's gotten a lot more acceptable, I think, especially
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: intermittent fasting.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 7: The intermittent fasting.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 8: Is if you start talking about like the like the
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 8: forty day fasts and fifty day fasts and things like.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 7: That conversation or I guess it might depend on what
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 7: state you're in, because like I know men that live
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 7: in California and they'll do like a three day fast,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 7: a five days fast. Their dad does that. Like for
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 7: men culture, it's like kind of normalized and maybe almost
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 7: the reverse is.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: Especially man's society.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 7: Okay, manciety man's society like anxiety Okay, but yeah, it's
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 7: like the opposite. Maybe intermittent fasting seem like weaker than
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 7: all right, I'm a bad I could go three days
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 7: without eating.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it depends on the culture for sure.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: Again there's microcultures as well. But I do find it
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: fascinating that, like, I do think that this is one
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: of those things in health and likes very instimantly personal.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: It's very much our realities, and like, I think there's
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of fear whether you're taking GLP ones or
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: you're trying something big like fasting or getting bariatric surgery.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: It's so interesting how important it is to you and
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: how I think there could be a lot of hesitation
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: to share it with friends, because you don't know if
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: somebody's gonna be like, oh, really you're doing that, what
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: have you tried X, Y and Z, like, and there's
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: gonna be the unsolicited advice.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: That would be very difficult because it's like you're already
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: going through a lot, You're you're taking on this huge
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: challenge and all you really want.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: Is a little support, yeah, and then good for you.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then just to just to be like, oh,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: that's not how you do it.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 7: There's always I was going to say that next, like
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 7: with with diet and exercise and like weight, you know, areas,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 7: like everyone has something to say it's right, and again
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 7: maybe I'm just going into what I know from like
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 7: a woman's perspective, it's like, oh, lose weight and you
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 7: look amazing. Lose too much weight, You're too skinny and unhealthy.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 7: So if you do go too far into the fitness world,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 7: even if it's fit like you're trying to do a
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 7: show or whatever, like a fitness whatever, then they're like, well,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 7: that's not healthy and it's not that's not sustainable, like
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 7: literally science shows that, but it's for a short time
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 7: to accomplish something. And then I'm going to shift like this,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 7: I'm not saying everyone should do this. I'm saying I
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 7: want to do this right now. Like's not enough support
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 7: for like what do you want to do with your body?
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 7: And I'm going to criticize it.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: It is the unsolicited swing advice of fitness. Yeah, to
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: bring a full circle. Yeah, yeah, it's so now you
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: guys know what it's like.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: Well, but even that point, like you literally professionally work
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: in in this form of the world, right like in fitness,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: in people's bodies and working with them, and I think
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: that also gives you a lot of pause and deference
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: not to just mouth the funk off in any random ass.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: It is why I don't have an Instagram account.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, my gosh, I account. I'm going to do it.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: You come to me for advice to give it otherwise
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: I do not want to, and I think I know
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: him at some point. Honestly, it's the only way it's
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: going to get done. I don't starting it. I'm not
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: going to stop a couple of years. I mostly use
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: it for my al Qaeda dealing. Yeah, the opium market.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: My tag name on the dark web is tangent.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: That's right. No, But this is a really good point. Like,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: it's interesting because I think that people that know better,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: that that have a nuanced view of these things, have
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: training in it. You'll notice they don't mouth off about
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: it as much. And so if you come to them
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: and you just like you ask for advice, sure they'll
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: weigh in. But it's gonna be in this nuanced, like
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: balanced kind of like here's three ideas and two on
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: the other side kind of thing. But then every jackass
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: with two thumbs feels like they want to tell you
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: all the fuck about this thing, and it is really
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  Speaker 1: fucking annoying. Like whether you're talking about GLPS or fasting
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: or any kind of weight loss move, you'll tell people
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: like oh, like, oh god, whenever I made the mistake
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  Speaker 1: early in my journey of like opening up about that
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: to some people and being like, oh, you know, I'm
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: doing this, and immediately the very first thing you get
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: is like, well, you're going to gain it all back,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: you know that? Right? Yeah? It's like, Hey, I just
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: want to thank you. I just want to thank you
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  Speaker 1: that I'm trying to do something in obedience with my
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: doctor to address a very significant health care problem. And
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: I just really want to thank you for reminding me
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: how fucking pointless it is. And then I'm just gonna
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: die of fat bastard. Yeah, thanks a lot of asking.
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  Speaker 1: I'll imagine if we did that for.
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  Speaker 3: Matt, tons of fun.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: As soon as you get off the Mets, you're gonna
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: be was tital again. You know that?
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  Speaker 10: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't do it. Can I borrow your gun?
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: Like I we don't do that with other candet I
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: hope we don't, but like it's so crazy, like just
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: go get cancer again, you know it? Just come back?
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Oh great, throw myself into traffic. Now, I really appreciate
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: this feedback.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: Best case scenario. It seems rude.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, I remember the person who said that.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: I just want to be like, great, can I finish
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: your sandwich? You're gonna with that, Like, let's go back
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: to this now. It's just it is really really ridiculous,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: which Dan, you know you didn't say anything about, but
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to comment on because I do think
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  Speaker 1: that that's hand in hand with this conversation which I
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: think on you know, the the GLP ones. I'm glad
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: that you thought about it in the last episode. Nick
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't at all. And I just want to clarify
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: because Dan brings up this point of like, hey, y'all
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: were talking about like that internal uh, you know, metabolic
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: psychiatry thing, and I kind of got this whiff that
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: maybe that was sort of like a passive aggressive shove
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: towards JLP ones, toward weight loss medications that you can
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: just do it all internally. And so Dan, I'm really
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: glad you give me an opportunity to clarify that in
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: zero percent ways that I mean that that the topic
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: of metabolic psychiatric came up later on in the show,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: I think just because we started going off on a
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: tangent about how interesting we think that is. But I
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: don't see those things as that didn't I didn't mean
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: that at all. Like I see medicine, All medicine is welcome.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: GLP ones have a role. I think that's great. I
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: think that there are also some interesting new advances in
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: mental health very specifically and how things like exercise and
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: stuff help. And that's full stop on that. I have
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: no other opinions on, Like you should just do it
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: organically roof of the book.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 8: Like said earlier, like we weren't giving weight loss advice
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 8: and we were talking about kind of the mental side
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 8: of of.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: Right, the anguish of it, Yeah, the realities of it,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: just trying to give those those tips.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 7: And there's two options. There's mental fit with no space
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 7: but capital M Capital F Underscore l.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: V Mental Underscore LV.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 7: Okay, okay, are you are you approving this message?
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: What's the option?
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 7: I don't know what else do you want? Is there
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 7: a different option? I can try it because it'll tell if.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: It's taking everything everything I have? Is mental fit Personal
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: training p T mental fit or mental fit p E
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: N one s you can find that. I feel like
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: that is also a really good options.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 7: Mental fit underscore PT, this.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: Is your moment, no underscore do we not need we
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: don't have the underscore? Can you just do that? Can
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: mental fit PT? That will be no spaces if you
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: can get it. You don't want the underscore, but that's okay,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: nobody wants that.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 7: One's available to me.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: Just take one space PT, no space.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 7: One word under PT.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Are we doing this? We should? We're doing it. I
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: think I literally present this to my class and they
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: were like, what's your Instagram? Does that look like that?
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Like that? Don't let her get it because M and
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: F is Sam Jackson's I don't know.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 7: Does that look visually appealing? Mental?
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I think again, the pen fifteen I thought was
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: a better idea.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 7: So it doesn't look like Pitt.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: Do that. That's what I want to say.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: I know a podcast that once once bought white privilege.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 8: Oh white member of the podcast did that specifically, that is,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 8: and he is not here to defend himself anyway.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: Dan, I really appreciate the letter, and of course we
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: we love you man. We really appreciate your support, and
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: of course we want to celebrate you know that you
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: are working on this, and again we also want to
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: be careful to like glory rorify weight loss as this
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: all people all the time kind of mentality. These questions
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: we've gotten this letter that we've gotten are from individuals
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: who are on that journey, who are trying to do
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: that that meets their personal goals, it meets their relationship
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: with their doctor privately, and they've decided to share that
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: with our show, and therefore we are sharing it with
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: the audience. But I want to be careful because some
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: people in the past have heard us talk about weight loss,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: and we've gotten some letters years ago from folks that
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: have said, you know, it hurts my heart that you
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: guys always talk about how good it is to lose weight,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: and like, I've had to get to a place in
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: my life where I've I've had to accept myself for
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: who I am and I'm not on a weight loss journey,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: and it hurts that you guys are always pushing that,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: and I wish you wouldn't because that makes you, as therapists,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: not seem as accepting and kind as I would like
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: to imagine that you are. And so this gives me
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to reflect on that too, and just kind
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: of signal that back to the audience to say, Hey,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: if you're out there and you're not undergoing a weight
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: loss journey, that is not your truth, that is not
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: something you desire, something you are seeking. I please do
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: not hear this answer or the last episode and hear
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: that as banging the drum for everybody ought to do
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: this and even me personally, just a random asshole who
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: happens those podcasts sharing his personal journey very reluctantly. I've
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: been doing this for a very long time, only now
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: opening up about it. It was relevant to a question.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: That is all. I am not trying to get you
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: to do anything about your your stuff or your life.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: Please live your truth, whatever that is.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: I would come alongside that one hundred percent and just
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: echo and repeat that.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: Over and over again. Yeah. I would much rather all
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: of our listeners be happy than fit, right, Yeah, and
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: healthy whatever that is for.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's that's way more important to me, is
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: you know, just mental well being than.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: Right than we're a mental health show. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: which is important to us because you know, and this
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: is something I know that you've brought in the past too,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: coming from like the fitness world. Is that just because
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: you have knowledge about fitness and you often give that
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: advice and you talk about it, some people take that
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: as aggressive, and it's like, I don't mean that.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 7: I'm just I'm answering a question like aggressively.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: Aggressively, Yeah, Whitney, make my password password?
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: O ye forget yeah or maga maga one.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 7: That's your email addressing. I don't want mine a touch too.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's good. I'm glad we're doing that during that time, password,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: password is password? You hear this episode before Nick, we're
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: gonna do anything. They're good listeners. We're going to take
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: a quick break, and when we come back, I think
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: we're wrapping up the show. You're listening to pod Therapy.
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• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: Which iconic album did Prince release in nineteen eighty four?
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Options nineteen ninety nine Purple Rain, Signs of the Times,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: Dirty mind? These are all prints albums? They are? Okay? Uh?
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: In eighty four eighty four love Rame Things seems nice?
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of fourteen.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 10: Pie like it's nineteen nine and give me nineteen ninety nine.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: No, God, damn it, fuck you, Whitney, you let me
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: in the wrong direction.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 7: Wait, read the question produced me with your voice.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: Iconic did Prince release in nineteen eighty four?
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 7: Okay, I'm gonna go. Uh. What were the other three options?
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 7: Or the other two besides Purple Rain and the one.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety nine? I already heard that one two thousand,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: two thousand and one.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: No, why too? Can't purple Rain Signs of the Time?
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: Dirty mind?
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 8: Hmmm.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 7: I want to say purple Rain because I like it,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 7: but I'm gonna say Signs of the Time.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: No, it's purple Rain, Purple Rain, purple Rain.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 7: I don't know when he came out with him. I
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 7: just listened to.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: Him Signs of the Time by Prince yet in our defense,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: which were not yet they were.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 7: Like I guess said, iconic.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: They were at the concert everything Prince was.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: Fast movie of all time? All right, Whitney, who originally
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: recorded Hurt before Johnny Cash famously covered I thought that
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: was his?
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: Did you really?
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 10: Yes?
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 7: How does the song.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 10: Everybody Johnny Cash, every love, jue, drugs, flip off cameras?
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 7: What are the options?
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: Nine inch nails, sound Garden, Pearl Jam or tool Pearl Jam?
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: No wait, what was the question?
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: Who originally recorded Hurt before Johnny Cash famously covered it?
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: That's great?
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: Is that nine inch nails?
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: It is nine inch?
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 6: Wow?
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: He ripped them off? What nineteen seventies singer? Oh this
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: is Jacob Jacobs. What nineteen seventies singer was known as
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: the first lady of country music?
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's options?
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: Loretta Lynn, Dolly pardon yep, Tammy Whyette or Patsy Klein.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a problem that Dolly baby, that's.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think it's Dolly because it's
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: limited to the seventies.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I think too, Okay.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's Loretta Lynn.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: No, no, jam, He's got it.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: Tammy Ship all right, Jim real quick?
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: Not a writer?
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: No Whitney what famous British in nineteen sixty four in
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: Birmingham beat.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: I'll give it back to you.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: I need options led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, or
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: the Who. My gosh, those are all British though, yep.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: What was the last one? The Who? Yeah? Who? No,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: that was Mike. No, I'm asking you, and I mean.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 7: Black Sabbath.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: Who else did you led Zeppelin or Pink? Nice Day
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: for a Black Sabbath? No? Nice Day two four in
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: Birmingham nineteen sixty four.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, so it's Sabbath or led Zeppelin? When did the
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: new Do.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 7: You know any of them? Besides who were started?
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: Man, it could be one of those. I don't think.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 8: I don't think Sabbath started. No, Sabbath didn't start the sixties.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 8: It's gotta be It's gotta be Zeppelin.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: Five points for Nick. It was Black Sabbath.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: Holy Wow, a one nineteen nineties album by Radiohead, is
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: often considered one of the greatest of all time. Options
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: The Benz Kid a okay computer or Pablo Honey.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 7: The bens No, all.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 8: Right, Jacob last one, I got everybody's questions except mine.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: Who was the first woman ever inducted into the Rock
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: and Roll Hall of Fame?
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: I think it's Franklin.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, shoot from him? He's going for two. Yeah, black
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: shoots two points. Wow, the one who got away famously, Ye,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: Aretha the only concert you did not see in person?
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 8: Oh that's not true, but it's one that hurts me
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 8: that I didn't see her.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: I didn't see it live.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: It would hurt. Yeah, that would hurt. So winner right now,
• 1:34:08
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• 1:34:10
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• 1:34:15
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