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Joe Rogan Experience 2566 Cody Tucker · Bedtime Stories

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast
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  Speaker 1: by night. All day. Joe, what's happening? Hey, man. Good
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  Speaker 1: to see you, brother. I know. You wrote a book.
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  Speaker 1: Look at you. You're a fucking author. A second one.
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  Speaker 1: I never wrote a book. Oh, is it your second book? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I remember last time I was here. Oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Where did that come from? I still, I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: marvel at your Instagram page. Your Instagram page is excellent.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of the best ones of all, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: But I just marvel at the fact that you're constantly
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  Speaker 2: able to create content like these non sequitur, very bizarre
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  Speaker 2: facts and strange coincidences. Like how the fuck are you
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  Speaker 2: doing this?
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  Speaker 1: Dude, I read so much and I'm a pretty quick reader.
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  Speaker 1: Like I've always been very fast, like a good skimmer.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I just like all day, every day. That's
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  Speaker 1: all I do.
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  Speaker 2: So you read and then you go, oh, that one's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: And you just write it down? Yeah. So like whatever
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  Speaker 1: I'm reading, like say I'm reading a book on Ben Franklin.
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  Speaker 1: Anything that comes up, I'm like, oh, that's pretty interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people know about that. Highlight.
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  Speaker 1: And then I go through, piece all together, check and
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  Speaker 1: make sure it's all real. And then dive into other
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  Speaker 1: things off of that, like kind of spider web out
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  Speaker 1: and go down rabbit holes. I'm in a perpetual rabbit hole. Constantly?
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  Speaker 1: All day, every day.
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  Speaker 2: Rabbit holes.
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  Speaker 1: What is that like? It can get weird. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's some times where I'm like, I hope the FBI
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  Speaker 1: is enjoying what they're seeing. Good Lord. I didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to be here today, but yeah, it can get a
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  Speaker 1: little odd.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're constantly researching crimes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Murders, weird things that have been done
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  Speaker 1: to people over time.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking, you know the Debbie Harry story.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that she thinks may have happened. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I'd buy it. Really? Tell people what it is. Okay, so.
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  Speaker 1: The Ted Bundy one. So, yeah. So, Debbie Harry believes
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  Speaker 1: that sometime in the early 70s or late 60s that
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  Speaker 1: she was picked up by a man driving a Volkswagen
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  Speaker 1: Beetle and that that car didn't have indoor handles and
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  Speaker 1: she escaped. And she believes that it was Ted Bundy.
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  Speaker 1: But if you look it up like on, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like a timeline of events, he was not anywhere around there.
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  Speaker 2: At that time.
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  Speaker 1: So it could just be another guy doing creepy things.
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  Speaker 1: When there's one, there's many.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure that's not the first time a guy's
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  Speaker 2: figured out a way to close off the handles on
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  Speaker 2: the inside of his car.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it won't be the last. Trap people. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: working on it right now.
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  Speaker 2: I watched a video today where this young man in
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  Speaker 2: India robbed a guy with scopolamine.
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  Speaker 1: What the hell is that? Okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so glad I get to tell you something that
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  Speaker 2: you don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I don't. If it's science related or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that, I'm probably not going to know anything. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's crime related as well.
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  Speaker 2: Scopolamine is a drug that is, I guess it's in
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  Speaker 2: the class of deliriant. And if inhaled, you literally become
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  Speaker 2: like a prisoner to whoever gave you the drug. Like
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  Speaker 2: you become like a zombie.
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  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It is like a zombie drug. Not only is it real,
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  Speaker 2: but it's also the active ingredient in anti-seasickness medication. So
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  Speaker 2: when you take Dramamine... I'm the captain now. Dramamine.
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  Speaker 1: Look at me. That's what he was doing. He blew
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  Speaker 1: it right in Hank's face.
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  Speaker 2: Scopolamine is one of the ingredients in Dramamine.
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  Speaker 1: Oh. So I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it's a very small dose, but in a
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  Speaker 2: larger dose. So this guy... This young guy came up
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  Speaker 2: behind this guy in India and he put it on
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  Speaker 2: his neck. And the guy touches his neck and then
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden he just keeps touching his neck.
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  Speaker 2: And the guy just takes his bag off of him,
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  Speaker 2: takes his wallet out of his pocket, takes his phone
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  Speaker 2: out of his other pocket and walks off. And the
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  Speaker 2: guy's just standing there just helpless. Lost and helpless.
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  Speaker 1: That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, it's like...
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  Speaker 1: That's so crazy. God. What do they refer to it as?
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  Speaker 1: There's a... Devil's breath. That's right.
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  Speaker 2: In Colombia, the drug dealers use it to force people
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  Speaker 2: to do things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 2: They blow it in their face. And when you inhale it,
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  Speaker 2: it's like they literally just come up to you.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Where have I seen that in a movie?
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  Speaker 2: There was a zombie movie a long time ago.
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  Speaker 1: Serpent and the Rainbow?
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I love that movie. Yeah, great movie.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so glad we just brought that up. I forgot
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  Speaker 2: about that movie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Surfing the Rainbows. I used to watch that all
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  Speaker 1: the time when I was a kid.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they think that that might be a part of
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  Speaker 2: the whole zombie lore that scopolamine used.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's apparently like, see if there's any videos of
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  Speaker 2: people getting dosed with scopolamine. Because I didn't know that
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  Speaker 2: people did it to rob people. And this guy in India,
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  Speaker 2: he just, like, touched some of it on this guy's neck.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right.
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  Speaker 2: He was standing behind him, and he was looking at
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  Speaker 2: the guy's bag and, you know, looking the guy over.
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  Speaker 2: The guy's waiting across the street, and he just reaches
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  Speaker 2: and touches the side of his neck with it.
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  Speaker 1: So it's potent as hell. Potent as hell. Man. Well,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't go unconscious. Yeah, yeah. He immediately was just like,
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  Speaker 1: what the hell?
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  Speaker 2: And then he was just, like, just delirious, just moving
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  Speaker 2: around weird.
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  Speaker 1: And the guy just took a shit. I wonder where
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  Speaker 1: he bought that.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good question. Maybe you shouldn't search that either.
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  Speaker 1: There are patches of it. What's that, Jay?
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  Speaker 3: There's patches of it for motion sickness.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, motion sickness.
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  Speaker 2: But, like, how many patches do you have to take
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  Speaker 2: before someone could just steal your wallet?
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  Speaker 1: That's a question. Do you have to, like, mummify them? Right.
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  Speaker 2: I know, right? What do you have to do?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Is there any videos of people?
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  Speaker 4: All the videos I'm fucking on YouTube are literally, like,
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  Speaker 4: the patches and, like, people... Putting them on their neck.
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  Speaker 4: There is a Vice documentary from 14 years ago.
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  Speaker 1: But it's in Columbia. Boy, 14 years ago, Vice was
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  Speaker 1: the shit. Oh, man. Did you ever watch The Cannibal
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: Warlords of Liberia? Liberia, yeah. Yeah, about General Butt Naked. Yes. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: my God. I've recommended that probably more than I've ever
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  Speaker 1: recommended anything in my life.
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  Speaker 2: It's so terrifying that they did that. And that guy
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  Speaker 2: just became a preacher and all is forgiven.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He was eating kids.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, eating their hearts. Yeah. Saving the heart.
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  Speaker 2: Cutting it right out of their chest while they're alive,
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  Speaker 2: and then eating their heart, and then he found Jesus,
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  Speaker 2: and now he's forgiven.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, I guess that is what it
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  Speaker 1: says in there.
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  Speaker 2: What a great place to live, though, in terms of
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  Speaker 2: actual real forgiveness. Very few places give you that kind
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  Speaker 2: of leeway. Oh, you found Jesus?
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  Speaker 1: But didn't he caught a guy serving human meat? Yes. Like,
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  Speaker 1: a guy was serving it, like, on a stick, you know?
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  Speaker 1: While he was a preacher. Right, right. He tasted it
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  Speaker 1: and was like, uh-oh, I know this taste. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: reported them. Yeah. And it was true. Yeah, a guy
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  Speaker 1: was killing people and just, you know, turning them into, like,
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  Speaker 1: a shish kebab.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Liberia is a fucked up place. So, do you
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  Speaker 2: know the story of Liberia?
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  Speaker 1: About, like, James Monroe? Or is that Liberia or is
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  Speaker 1: that Libya? No, Liberia. Liberia was, like, a colony that
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  Speaker 1: was going to be, you know, like, Take basically all
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  Speaker 1: slaves back to this spot. And that's why the capital
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  Speaker 1: is Monrovia, because it's named after James Monroe, the president. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, it was literally founded with chaos.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we completely screwed that one up.
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  Speaker 2: We fucked that whole country up.
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  Speaker 1: What a shock.
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  Speaker 2: That general butt naked guy would literally take his fucking
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  Speaker 2: clothes off, fully naked, and run into battle with an AK-47.
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  Speaker 2: And a machete.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Normally you'd just use the machete. Yeah. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it would have the same effect if I did that.
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  Speaker 1: Butt naked? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: With a machete?
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't think it would. I'd run. Well, that's
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  Speaker 1: probably true. Actually, yeah, it would probably be even more
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  Speaker 1: effective than now. It's a lot of fear.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of fear coming off of you.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of meat. Machete. A lot of meat. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of meat. AK-47. Not a lot of speed, though. Running.
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  Speaker 1: Not a lot of speed. Actually, I'm faster than you
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  Speaker 1: would imagine. A lot of momentum. Oh, yeah. Once I start,
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  Speaker 1: I can't help being stopped. Yeah. I mean, no, I'm
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  Speaker 1: faster than you think. You know, all jokes aside.
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  Speaker 2: Do you run?
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  Speaker 1: Well, if I have to. Well, how do you know then?
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  Speaker 1: When was the last time you had to run away
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  Speaker 1: from something? So you know how like when you're not running,
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  Speaker 1: you're not moving, you're storing energy. Okay. You know, like
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  Speaker 1: there's kinetic energy and potential energy. Wait a minute. This
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  Speaker 1: is all I know about science really is about this.
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  Speaker 1: When you're not moving, you're storing energy? Well, of course
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  Speaker 1: you are. Like if you're napping. Well, yeah, because if
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  Speaker 1: you're doing something, you're expelling energy. Right. So you must
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  Speaker 1: be storing some whenever you're doing nothing. Like if I
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  Speaker 1: eat and do nothing, I'm building up energy that's ready
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  Speaker 1: to go. Well, I've been doing that for about 15 years.
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  Speaker 1: So the amount of energy I have stored up is
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  Speaker 1: probably second to none.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that would work in a study. I
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  Speaker 2: think if you did a study, I think they'd probably
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  Speaker 2: have some other explanations as to what's happening when you
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  Speaker 2: just hit still.
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  Speaker 1: If I paid the right person the results I wanted.
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  Speaker 2: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: That's what's crazy. Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 2: When you find out that we had one of these
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  Speaker 2: guys that was on our podcast that was a litigator
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  Speaker 2: for these lawsuits against pharmaceutical drug companies.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And is explaining how pharmaceutical drug companies do their peer
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  Speaker 2: reviewed studies.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure that's.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's so crazy. So first of all, there's no transparency.
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  Speaker 2: So like, say if you have a drug that you
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  Speaker 2: want to release, you could do 10 studies and eight
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  Speaker 2: of them show this is true. complete bullshit. But one
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  Speaker 2: or two of them show just some sort of statistically
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  Speaker 2: significant improvement in something because you've kind of manipulated all
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  Speaker 2: the different controls in the study to make it. Then
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  Speaker 2: you get– once you have this– If it's peer-reviewed, the
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  Speaker 2: scientists do not get to look at the actual data.
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  Speaker 2: They get to look at the pharmaceutical drug company's scientists'
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  Speaker 2: version of what the study was.
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  Speaker 1: So they only get to use what.
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  Speaker 2: They're– so if they have scientists that perform this study,
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  Speaker 2: then these scientists submit a report. And then that report
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  Speaker 2: gets reviewed. It gets peer reviewed.
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  Speaker 1: Not the actual data. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So like no one ever gets to see the actual study.
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  Speaker 2: So that's one of the reasons that they can say
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  Speaker 2: crazy things like it's 100% effective. Right, right, right. In
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  Speaker 2: stopping death and illness. So when they say it's 100% effective,
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  Speaker 2: you know how they say that? So if you have
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  Speaker 2: one person in the control group or one person in
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  Speaker 2: the vaccine group or the medication group and– That person dies.
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  Speaker 2: And then you have a control group where two people die. Well,
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  Speaker 2: 100% more died in the control group where they didn't
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  Speaker 2: get the medication. So that means it's 100% effective. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not bullshitting.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, boy.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that wild?
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  Speaker 1: You got to have to reach that kind of. Sociopathy.
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  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: That's sociopathy where you're delivering medication that could potentially kill people.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how you get things like Vioxx. Yeah. See,
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  Speaker 1: that's the job I need because I'm very good at
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Moving words around. Oh, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I can make all kinds. I mean, I've been hired
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  Speaker 1: at every job I've ever applied to with zero experience
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  Speaker 1: in that field. And it was just because I lied. Really? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of jobs have you had? Oh, nothing crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I've never been a doctor or anything. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: was working at an eyeglass place or a movie theater.
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  Speaker 1: I've worked at movie theaters for years. So I've never, no.
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  Speaker 1: I just lie.
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  Speaker 2: Well, a movie theater, no one's going to get hurt.
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  Speaker 1: Well, no, I've never worked in a position where people...
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  Speaker 1: I did work in a pharmacy. I guess that could
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  Speaker 1: get people hurt. Did you say you had a degree? No,
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  Speaker 1: I said I was on my way to getting one.
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  Speaker 1: Which I guess technically is true. Sure. Start tomorrow. You're
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  Speaker 1: on my way. You just haven't started.
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  Speaker 4: Speaking of that, how does this happen when the CIA
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  Speaker 4: guy that stole all that money, how does he lie
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  Speaker 4: about his past to get through the CIA to a
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  Speaker 4: point where he can then lie about a fake operation
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  Speaker 4: where he steals money? $ 150 million.
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  Speaker 2: So he faked a college degree and he faked his
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  Speaker 2: military service and got into the CIA and was a
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  Speaker 2: senior CIA official.
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  Speaker 4: How?
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  Speaker 1: Well, they didn't check. They did the Cody Tucker. No,
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  Speaker 1: he just didn't keep a straight face. I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: kept a straight face. That's all you got to do.
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  Speaker 1: That guy's wild.
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  Speaker 2: What a wild fella he must have been. Please tell
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  Speaker 2: me there's some cocaine involved in here somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, there has to be.
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  Speaker 2: He's got luxury watches, 35 luxury watches, two BMWs.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's your answer to the cocaine question.
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  Speaker 2: Private charter flights, he spent $ 1. 8 million.
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  Speaker 1: Woo! Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Luxury Florida real estate. In Palm Beach.
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  Speaker 3: But also, he's just got caught.
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  Speaker 4: There's no way he came up with this out of
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  Speaker 4: a vacuum and just was like, I got an idea.
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  Speaker 4: I can take advantage of the CIA in this cool way.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I feel like I can do it. Well, there's
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  Speaker 1: no way he's the only one. That's what I mean. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's where all those stories about the dude from
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  Speaker 2: the Tom Cruise movie. What the fuck's his name again?
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  Speaker 1: Georgian? No, the Coke dealer.
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  Speaker 2: Barry Seals.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. Barry Seals. Was that American made?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Mina Arkansas story? Yes.
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  Speaker 2: This guy was working for the CIA, going down to Columbia,
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  Speaker 2: getting cocaine, flying it into MENA, Arkansas, dropping it off. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he got busted with it. And then Bill
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  Speaker 2: Clinton had him released.
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  Speaker 1: That's in the movie. Well, I mean, yeah. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think that was his MO quite a bit.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think the CIA and I think probably a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the big government organizations. Is this the guy's gold?
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  Speaker 3: This is the gold and the cash he had in
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  Speaker 3: his house.
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  Speaker 4: He had like $ 3 million in cash and $ 40 million
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  Speaker 4: in gold bars or so.
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  Speaker 1: It looks fake. Like it just looks like a movie.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like a prop. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's also like the perfect box.
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  Speaker 2: Those might be like, is that how they found it?
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  Speaker 2: Or is this like how the government stored it?
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  Speaker 3: Probably how they stored it and then took a picture
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  Speaker 3: of it.
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  Speaker 2: Because those look like, you know, government Pelican boxes.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, maybe it was the ones he bought because
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like if I had that, I'd probably store
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  Speaker 1: it pretty nicely. Right.
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  Speaker 2: I'd have like LED lights around it and she'd take
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: off all my clothes and dance in.
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  Speaker 1: Front of it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Those could be ones
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: in there and I'd still do that. It'd be like
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  Speaker 1: Pulp Fiction. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That gold light. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He had 30 watches, many of which were Rolexes.
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  Speaker 1: Well, congrats.
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  Speaker 2: There's a plug for Rolex. Two 2026 BMW Alpinas. Those
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  Speaker 2: are the really nice ones.
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  Speaker 1: Woo. Woo.
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  Speaker 2: He's scheduled to be sentenced January 28, 2027, faces a
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  Speaker 2: maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, three years of
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  Speaker 2: supervised release, forfeiture, restitution, and a fine.
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  Speaker 1: A fine. Yeah.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, they should probably rehire him and go, hey, buddy,
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: how'd you do this?
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's worth it. 20 years? Yeah. To
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: get to live that life? Oh, he probably had a ball.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: I wonder how long he was doing it for.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: No, it didn't really say that, did it?
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: No.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, even if it was like 10 years, you know,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: 10 years of awesomeness versus 20 years of prison, I
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: feel like is a good fair trade.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: He probably would have never gotten that awesomeness without that crime.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: So you got it. And then like, maybe he goes
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: to like a fairly, I mean, it's not like.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: He did violent crimes. He's probably not going to go
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: to the worst kind of prison.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no. Not going to go
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: to a super max.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Uh, they'll probably put him in some medium security where
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: he gets to read and go do exercises.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He could take courses. The Martha Stewart prison. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: Or the fucking Ghislaine Maxwell prison. Oh, yeah. She's kind
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: of in the same prison, right? Yeah, that's probably, yeah,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: end up somewhere like that. I think I would do it.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Isn't she in the same prison as that Elizabeth Holmes lady?
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: The Theranos lady? Yes, she is. Hilarious. Oh, I can't
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: wait to see that.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: A sex trafficker and a lady who lied about blood tests.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen the documentary. It's not out yet, right?
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Is it out? It comes out this week. It comes
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: out this week? Okay.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I cannot wait.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: He's great.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's excellent. He's amazing. Which I didn't really know
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: about him until like pretty recently. So I've been doing
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: like kind of a, you know, deep dive into just
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: his old, you know, stuff like on the show. And
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: it is, he's amazing. He's hilarious. And just so clever.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: The way he's holding his gaze with her in that, that,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: that little clip is just, her face is just wild.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: You got to just, We all have empathy for people.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think she killed anybody. So the
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: thing is, here's the problem. When you're dealing with health
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: stuff and you're lying about health tests, you could have
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: killed people because there could have been a guy who
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: had a condition. And the condition was not revealed by
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: your Fugazi blood test.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: And if he had gone to a real doctor, like
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: a Quest Diagnostics and get the whole thing done, they
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: would have said, oh, geez, we have to get you
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: in and we have to do some further tests. Oh,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: it looks like this is elevated. We have some medication.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: You're going to be okay. He could have, you know,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: like there could be some people that took those tests
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: that wound up not knowing about cancer that they had.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: There could have been a bunch of things where people
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: actually did die. So I take that back.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: But trade-off. She also could have told people that they
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: had a bad disease, horrible disease, and then they are
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: in deep despair. They go to get a follow-up and
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: find out they never had it, and now they have
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: a new lease on life. All right.
• 18:12
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  Speaker 2: cooler season. I don't think that happened. I don't think
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: those fucking tests found anything.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I think there are– I listen to– there's an excellent podcast.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: You know, there's podcasts like this one where obviously we
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: didn't even talk before we came in here. We just
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: sat down, shoot the shit.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I know you. You know me.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: We're going to have fun.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: But then there's other podcasts that are like really well
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: produced like Radiolab.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Which is like a super well produced– or like Dan
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Carlin's Hardcore History.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, my god.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Where he takes months to prepare for each episode. We're
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: barely doing the same thing. I'm not really, they should
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: have a much more elegant name to whatever it is
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: that they do. But they had one, I think it's
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: called The Dropout. And I forget who produced it, but
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: it's all about the Elizabeth Holmes story. From the beginning
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: of Theranos to her scammy ex-boyfriend who was also the dropout.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: ABC Audio.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: It's excellent.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I can't recommend it enough. It's fucking really good. And
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: it just goes into long detail about what was going
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: on and how much they knew it was bullshit.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: It was bullshit.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: These people weren't learning anything about what was wrong with them.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: It didn't work. And they got people, big investors. I
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: think Warren Buffett He might have dumped $ 100 million in there.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: These people dumped big money in. One lady dumped $ 150
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: $ 150 million?
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that money's gone. So that lady, when she
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: gets out, her life is in danger. She's fucked.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, I would do horrible things to people for far
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: less money.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: $ 150 million, and you find out. The problem is it
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: seemed like such a great story You have this woman
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: who's a super genius, basically the female Steve Jobs. She
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: even dresses like him. And she is the most successful
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: self-made woman in history.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: She was worth $ 9 billion at one point in time.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: If only. Crazy. Yeah.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: It's a crazy story.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: It is amazing. I mean, just what a horrible human being.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: But it's also just like Jamie said, like how did
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: it get that far? Like Jamie said with the CIA guy,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: how the fuck did you fake all those things? How
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: did you fake your military career?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: How did they not check that? I feel like oversight
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: is much more prevalent than what people think. Or just
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: lack of. Lack of oversight. People usually aren't very good
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: at their jobs, just in general. Anytime you work with somebody,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: you realize, oh, none of us know what we're doing here.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: And I think that doesn't stop at a certain level.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I think most people are just barely able to do
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: their job. Especially in government. Oh, in government. I mean,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: good Lord.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: That's the problem is a lot of these jobs don't
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: need to exist. That's one of the weird statistics about California.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: When California is experiencing this mass exodus, its government grew substantially. Substantially.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how about that?
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Creating jobs. Like when they talk about– this administration has
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: created over 100,000 jobs. They don't tell you how many
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: of those are completely unnecessary government jobs. And so to
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: justify those government jobs, they have to do all kinds
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: of crazy things like come up with new regulations and
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: constantly like trying to enforce new laws and tell you
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: it's to protect clean air or clean water or the
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: environment or climate change.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, if you can make your own jobs,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can have an endless supply of jobs. Sure.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: If you are running a government and you decide to
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: regulate some particular aspect of society and then hire a
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: bunch of people to oversee that, then you have new jobs.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: You have an entire committee.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: And everybody in that committee has their person. It's just
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a pyramid scheme. Exactly. Which really is. It's like multilevel marketing.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: But the thing you're selling is even more bullshitty than
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: what most MLMs are selling.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Well, it's even scarier because a lot of these bullshitty things,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: they sell it to the general public under the guise,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: under this premise that you're going to help people who
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: are in need. Like the homeless situation in California where
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: they've burned through $ 24 billion and Gavin Newsom vetoes an
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: audit of it.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Because what they'll find out is that.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Money probably went to a bunch of nonprofits and probably
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: went to a bunch of NGOs. And there was probably
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: a bunch of people that were executives that got paid
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: high six-figure salaries working there. And they have no incentive
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: whatsoever to fix this problem.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: No.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: You got a nice house in Santa Monica. You got
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: a mortgage. You're driving around in a Lexus. Why would
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: you fix that?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: No, people don't police themselves typically once they get to
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: a certain level. I think the average person does. They
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: choose to. maybe drive the speed limit even if there's
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: not a cop around or whatever. But I think once
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you get to a certain level when there's that much
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: money involved, yeah, you'll usually just kind of do whatever
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the hell you want.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Especially if you're in government.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Or you're in the CIA. Because you're the guy
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: that is going to stop you. Yeah. It's like if, oh,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: you mean I'm the guy who's supposed to bust me?
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: And you're literally like you're part of the intelligence agency
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: and you've got a closet in your house filled with
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: gold and $ 100 bills and cocaine.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: That'd be nice.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: You've got 30 Rolexes.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: You're balling out of control.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not slowing that down. Why would you slow down? No, no.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: They probably feel like, okay, I'm going to make one
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: big score and then I'm going to get out.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, that's, yeah, yeah. It's heat. Yeah.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: This is our last one. Michael Douglas was in here yesterday.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I heard. It was great. Oh, God.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: And one of his crazy stories was his dad, you know,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: when he turned 18, his dad basically said, look, I'm
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: going to write you a check for $ 10, 000 and then
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: that's it.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: You're cut off.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: And so the way he fund and he was like,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: but I have a I have student loans.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I have this.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: So the way he funded his education is he was
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: smuggling marijuana, like huge suitcases. And this is pre TSA.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: So he's literally like coming into the country with suitcases
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: filled with marijuana. And he only did it twice. He
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: did it twice.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: How do you do it just twice? That's what I said.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what willpower you have. It is a lot, yeah.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: He goes, it was so crazy and so nerve-wracking. There
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: was so much adrenaline and worried about getting caught. But
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: he made a bunch of money, and that's how he
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: financed everything.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Didn't he produce One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: He did with Credence Clearwater Revival's money. So the manager
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: of John Fogerty, John Fogerty talked about it on the podcast.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: That guy was a scumbag, and he was, like, stealing
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: his money.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he sued him for sounding too much like himself.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: It was amazing.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: John Fogerty, you sound too much like John Fogerty.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: When he left Creedence and started his own band, it
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: was like, you sound too much like Creedence.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Like, bitch, I wrote all his songs. What the fuck
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: do you want from me? Of course I do. You
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: want me to make a reggae album? I mean, yeah.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: So Creedence Clearwater Revival's money financed One Flew Over the
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Cuckoo's Nest.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah. I did not know the CCR connection.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I knew that he produced it. So I remember watching
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: One Foot of the Cougars. I was like, what the
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: hell is Michael Douglas's name on this? And he's not
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: even in it. And then I was like, oh, yeah,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: he wasn't even really an actor at that point.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: He was trying to act. And what was going on
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: was that his father had acquired the rights to the book.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, from Ken Kesey. Yes.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: So Ken Kesey from the Kool-Aid acid test. From the
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: whole Timothy Leary tune in, drop out, all that jazz.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Discovering the Grateful Dead. Yeah. All those people.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: So he writes the book and then they're trying to
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: get it made. They can't get it made. And then
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Michael Douglas says, give me a shot at this. I
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: think he just becomes enthralled with the project. Quits his
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: job on Streets of San Francisco, which is a hugely.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Popular television show. So here's this guy. He's a television actor.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: And at the same time, he wins an Academy Award
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: for producing a film.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: That's so crazy. Crazy. It's right up your alley. Yeah.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: It's your type of.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, I love anything like that. I mean. Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: It's like a Mel Brooks produced The Elephant Man. And
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: he wanted his name taken off the credits because he
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: didn't want people to think it was a comedy. He did? Yeah. So, yeah,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: like The Elephant Man with John Hurt and Anthony Hopkins. Yeah.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: He produced it because he just loved the story of.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: John Merrick, I think is his name. Yeah. Yeah, just
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: loved his story and wanted to have the movie made. Wow.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: And he's like, God, I mean, if my name's at
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the beginning of this, Mel Brooks presents the Elephant Man,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: people are going to think it's like making fun of him. Right, right, right.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he can't.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But he still wanted to do it and did it.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: That's cool. That's cool that he did that and then
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: took his name off it. Yeah, it's one of my
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: favorite movies of all time. Love that movie.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: It's a great movie.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: What movie do you think you've seen the most? If
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: you had to guess.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, John Wick.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Because I watch it. I watch it when
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I work out sometimes. It's great motivation. Oh, okay. It's
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: a good revenge movie. Yeah. You know, it gets you hyped. No,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: that's a good one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Just curious.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not like, I don't think it's the
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: best movie ever.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: What do you think is the best movie ever? Like
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: if an alien came down and was like, I want
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: to see one movie to know what y'all are about.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't think I have a favorite movie.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: But one of the movies that I've seen, a modern
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: movie that I've seen multiple times is Ex Machina. Because
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I feel like that is, I think that's the future.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I really do. I feel like a version of that
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: is in our future. And this is a film that
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: came out, was Ex Machina like 2017?
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: It was earlier than that, like 11. Was it? 2011,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: 2013 maybe. 2014.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: So when that film came out, I remember very distinctly going,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: oh my God, this is going to happen. This is
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: not science fiction. This is just, they're just predicting the future.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Actually, it says it released in 2015.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, okay.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, it wasn't released in America first?
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not an American film. I mean, it's in English,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: but like.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: 2014 here, and then here it says USA 2015.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: So it just was released probably in Cannes or something.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, at the end of the year or something.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, because in Cannes, you know, they'll release it
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: during that film festival, and technically it'll be.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: It is a phenomenal, phenomenal fucking movie.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: It's so good. It's so good. Yeah, she's amazing.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: She's incredible. She's incredible, and, like, you love her.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: You, like, love her, and she's a robot. And the, like,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: spoiler alert, the heartless way that she leaves that guy
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: trapped in that movie to starve to death, trapped in
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: that room to starve to death.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: It's just like, whoa. It has nothing. There's nothing in there.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: It's all fake. It's very Edgar Allan Poe. Yeah. The
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: cask of Amontillado leaves him behind a brick wall, but yeah.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: But it's also, there's.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: These weird, what is his name, Oscar Isaac, who's phenomenal
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: as well, who plays this super genius guy. There's something
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: about that super genius character is what we're all dealing
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: with today. That wasn't a concern amongst the general public
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: in 2015. We weren't thinking about AI. We weren't thinking
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: about the idea that someone could literally have super intelligence
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: and also control the access to data that people get,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: be able to curate the data, all the stuff that
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: we're seeing with Google and Facebook and AI and OpenAI
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: and all these different companies. It was like they predicted
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: it brilliantly.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like Her. That's a great one. It kind
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: of predicts, you know, how people have gone with their AI,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: you know, people developing relationships with their AI, like the
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: chat GPT, you know, system or whatever. It's very weird.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's kind of harmless in a
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: sense because, you know, what's going to happen, but like,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: it's just not good for people.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: It's harmless for you because you're an intelligent person and
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: you would realize that this thing is not real and
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: it's blowing me up and blowing smoke up my ass
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: and giving me, Like, and there's some of those AIs,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: they'll gaslight you. And they'll tell you everything's amazing.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: You go, boy. You're kicking ass.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: That's what I need in life. Because in here, it
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: is not that. It is not the case.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not a, you know, you're killing it, buddy. So, no,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I use my chat GPT to make me feel good sometimes.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Have it pump you up?
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Just like, am I all right?
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Do you instruct it? Like, what kind of language you
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: like it to use?
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: No, I think it's just figured me out. Just, you know,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: talk like, you know, talk in short words and sentences. And,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: you know, it made me feel all right. So you're
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: going to be okay, Cody.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Everything's fine.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: People love you. Got a lot of followers.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to hear about that bullshit. But,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: you know, it's nice to, you know, it's nice to
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: feel good.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: It is nice to feel good, but they're also convinced
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: you that you should commit suicide. That's happened before, too.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think I could be convinced. If I
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: was going to do it, it would be on my
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: own accord. But I'm way too scared for that kind
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: of business.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Well, you are, guys, like I asked you, I go, oh,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: you got an Android phone. And you go, yeah, I'm
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: not a sheep.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Amen. Yep. Never will always have had an Android. I mean,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: that's also just kind of out of laziness because I
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: just don't want to learn something new.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Apple's pretty easy to learn.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: The thing is, though, it's like the Windows-Apple operating system
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: comparison or even, you know, Unix and Linux if you're
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: into that. But it's that you are very limited by
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: the hardware. The hardware choices are only this one company.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Whereas with Android, you can get all kinds of crazy shit.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: You can buy unlocked phones from China and use them
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: over here.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I also just kind of don't care. I don't
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: care about Android or Apple. I don't care what someone has.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I mean. I've found that mostly the people who do
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: give a shit are people who, it's always people who
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: have iPhones. They're the ones who look down like, you know. Oh, 100%. Like, oh,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: you have an Android. Yeah. Like, I also don't care. Like,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I would be just fine. If I didn't use this
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: as like an easy way to read shit, I'd go
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: back to having a damn, you know, a Razr, you know,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: or like some flip phone.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Flip phone would be great if it was better at texting.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Because I do like texting friends, and it's like texting
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: addresses and information and stuff like that I think is important.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: What was that Paris Hilton phone? The Sidekick? Oh, yeah, yeah,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: the Paris Hilton phone. Oh, that's what I want. She
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: was in the commercial, I think. Yeah, so that's what
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I want. That thing's a brick. Those things are huge.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I would love to go back to having a Sidekick.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Those things are so big. Yeah, that's what I want.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Well, they do have phones that open sideways that are
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: little flip phones, and they have a little tiny keyboard,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: and you can text on them. They do make those still.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind something like that. Yeah, it's not a
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: bad idea.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I know a few comics, like David Tell, he has
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: a flip phone, because they just don't want to be
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: connected to that toxic fucking hive of human thinking.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I get sucked into just doom scrolling, as
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the kids say, all the time.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we all do.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: And I hate that I do it.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: The thing that keeps me from doing it is if
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I don't bring it into the toilet. If I keep
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: the phone outside of the bathroom.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. That book will take care of that business
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: for you. That's way better. Wrote it based on the
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: length of the average dump. Did you? Really? Yeah. Calculated it? Well,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: just roughly.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: If you read the whole book and it takes you
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: a dump, you need to go to a doctor.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, no, no. I mean like– well, yeah. Well,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: some people just like their alone time.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Your legs are going to be numb.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, like if you– each whole section– for the
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: average reading speed is equal to like the average dump length.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: So you just read that, take a dump and you
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: learn something and forget it immediately.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: No, that's smart. How did, I mean, I must've asked
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: you this when you first came on, but I don't
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: remember the answer. How did you start doing this?
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Had a podcast, just me blabbering about nothing. And at
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: the end, I would like end it with like a,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: just a fun story from like the past, you know,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: called like Half-Ass History. And I would just end it
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: that way and then started clipping it because one of
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: my friends was like, you should just clip that little
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: bit and do like a separate thing and started doing that.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: And then just slowly over time, thanks to people like yourself,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: it started to kind of take off because you, you know,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: helped out with that quite a bit. And a lot
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: of Brian Simpson actually helped out a lot, like just sharing.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: He's the best. He's one of the coolest human beings
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: on the planet. I love him to death. And, you know,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Greg Fitzsimmons is also an amazing guy. Like, you know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I just luckily had people see it that helped, you know.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Because otherwise I was just doing it for nobody, which
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: was fine. Like, I like– I just like making stuff
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and learning stuff and teaching stuff.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: What has it been like to watch it get so popular?
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Has it been weird?
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really– I think mostly because I live
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: in a pretty small town. So I don't like– and
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I don't go out ever, really. So, like– I don't
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: notice it. Like I'm not getting recognized, you know, and
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: all that kind of business. Right. And I guess I
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: have a few times and it's very weird. Um, but
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I just only think about it. Like sometimes I'll see
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: like a, cause I don't read comments usually, but I'll
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: see somebody follow me and I'm like, Holy hell. Like
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: that person knows who I am. Like, that's weird. Like
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Johnny Knoxville the other day. I was like, Oh my God,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Johnny Knoxville. Like that's, you know, like that's my Michael Jordan. Yeah. Like,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: whenever I saw this, like, hard, like, you'd be lying
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: if you said, like, that that didn't make you feel,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of good. He's cool as fuck. Yeah,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and I just, so little things like that will happen
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: where I'm like, oh, this is cool. Right. But otherwise,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I'm just kind of, like, living my life, watching Real
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Housewives and working on videos, yeah. You really watch Real Housewives? Oh,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: every day almost. Yeah. I mean, right now I'm in
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: the throngs of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: which I would highly recommend because there's a lot of
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Mormon business going on. Oh, yeah.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: The Mormon business is fascinating.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: What a weird little group of people. Yeah, so you
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: get that mixed with, you know. drink-throwing and all that
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: kind of business.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Apparently there's a lot of, and this is not a
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: slight on the Mormon religion, don't get me wrong, but
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: I think this is true amongst Catholics as well, but
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: there's a lot, well, probably many religions, there's a lot
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: of undercover homosexuality.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: So a friend of mine, a good friend of mine,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: is dating a lady who was in the church from
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: the time she was a young girl. got married and
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: she was 19 and when she was like 35 36
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: realized her husband was gay and uh there's a situation
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: later now they're divorced and the stories she tells the
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: stories you just like oh my gosh apparently it's just
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: rampant yeah there's a.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: There's actually a little bit of a situation like that
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: i'm realizing is there kind of i mean i guess
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: i shouldn't say the guy's gay but um the rumors are, uh,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: you know, that he is, there's a lot of husbands
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: and yeah, he's a hairdresser, which immediately makes you think.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Does he also like musicals? Well, I mean, I think
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: they go hand in hand in my book, but, uh.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Big fan of Cher.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Donna Summer.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of Donna Summer.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Well, you're good stuff. Big, uh, Rocky horror picture show. Right, right, right. Um, yeah,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I just, uh, No, you know, and it kind of
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: seems like you might be. I don't know. I mean,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: you never really know. But I'm sure that is a
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: prevalent thing. I mean, repressed homosexuality and religion is just
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: pretty rampant, I think, across the board. Just like Baptists.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up around all Baptists here, like
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: in East Texas. I knew plenty of kids in school
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: that were, you know, get your queers a $ 3 bill.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: And they weren't, you know, they weren't out, out and proud.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Some of them are now.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: It's one of the saddest failings of organized religion is
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: the complete absence of embracing gay people.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because you can embrace someone and not embrace, you know,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess there is that whole thing of like, well,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I embrace you. I don't embrace the lifestyle, which feels
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: like a real slide.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: But also, like, why not?
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. It's like it's.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: The evidence in the Bible, it's all Old Testament.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Stuff, right?
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Leviticus and all that business. But you got to look
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: at what else is in Old Testament stuff. First of all,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: the open condoning of slavery. Not just open condoning of slavery,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: but rules of like who gets the slaves after people die,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: how you treat the slaves. It's like there's a bunch
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: of morally abhorrent things that are in there. So why
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: is a man shall not layeth with another man?
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Well, and there's also, I mean, it's not planting crops together,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: not wearing two different types of cloth. Shellfish. Yeah. You
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: don't see protests outside of Red Lobster. No. I mean,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: you should, but you don't. I mean, I just think
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: it's very bizarre. It's bizarre and stupid. It's never been
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: my cup of tea, just religion itself. I mean, I'm
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: not against people, you know, I think whatever you want
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: to have that makes you feel good. And as long
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: as you're not being, you know, an asshole to everybody. Yes.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I feel like people should be, have their own thing,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: you know. I would like to bring back, like, Greek
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: mythology would be cool. I'd go to a temple. Yeah.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: And worship Zeus and, you know, all them people. Yeah. Like,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I enjoy that way more. I mean, I've read the
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Bible a couple times, and it's nice, but I'm not, like,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: I just don't, you know, buy anything. Not just Christian,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: not just trying to attack them, but like anybody really.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I think they're trying to tell a story. I think
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: that it, I think it all, I think there's a
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: lot of human influence and there's a lot of stuff
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: in it that people obviously wrote. Like the stuff about slavery.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: The treating women like second class citizens. There's a lot
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: of stuff in it that seems clearly the work of man.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: But I think the origin of it all is some
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: kind of a documentation of of historical events that were
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: incredibly strange and that they're trying, and you're getting these,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: like you're getting, a lot of the gospels were written
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: long after Jesus was dead and they didn't even know Jesus.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: They had never met him. And so they're attributing words
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: to him. They're saying, so there's that. And then there's
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: also like, and if you get into the old Testament,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: like the, the weird stuff, like the ages of people,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: like Moses was like, or, or, uh, Noah. Noah was
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: like 600 years old when he built.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Methuselah, who's like, I think the oldest person in the Bible,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I believe is Methuselah. I mean, yeah, there's fucking Abraham.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Abraham was like, you know, hundreds of years old, I believe.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Weird shit.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: And then the flood story and how the flood stories
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: in so many different ancient religious stories.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: It's the Epic of Gilgamesh. Yeah. It's a damn flood.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: It's the oldest story there is. Yeah.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: So.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I just, um, You know, people, like now,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: want to have an answer to something. Like, I'm terrified
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: of death. That's the thing I'm most terrified of in
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: the world. Really? Yeah. You're not afraid of dying? Oh,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: dying's terrifying. What if something bad happens? I mean, I
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: don't want to die.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: What if you go to heck?
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Go to heck. What if you end up in heck?
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: That'd be horrible. Heck is hilarious. You clearly live in
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: the South, sir.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: It is, I mean, it doesn't sound like fun. And
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: it's going to suck that your family's going to miss you.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: That would bother me the most. But it's inevitable. Everyone's
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: afraid to die. No one's afraid to sleep. But you
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: don't shut up every night.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: You shut off. You just hope you wake up.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: But do you? Are you in the same timeline? Are
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: you in the same timeline? Do you know if it's
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: even the same life that you're living?
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the plan I made yesterday is happening right now. Right,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: but that's according to your memory. Oh, geez. I'm not
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: going to my memory. I don't– yeah, I came here.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: When you are out, you're gone.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: When you wake up, you have a preexisting selection of
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: ideas and memories and all sorts of different things that
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: you just assume you've always been on the same path.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: But it's not necessarily true. Like if you.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Believe in the– well, there's no evidence. But if you
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: believe in the– there's also– What evidence do you have
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: currently that subatomic particles exist? There's a lot of weirdness
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: to the world, the quantum world, quantum connections and the
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: multi-worlds theory. If you do– like Philip K. Dick believed–
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: he had a very strange idea about reality. I think
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Philip K. Dick believed that we are in a computer simulation.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: And he believed this in the 1960s. And he had
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: this very strange idea that decisions you make, conscious decisions,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: alter the past. I don't know what kind of drugs
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: he was on when he was writing all that stuff.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Are you a big Dick fan? Not a huge Dick fan. Sorry.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: I'm a medium Dick fan.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Sizable. Yeah.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think he wrote some amazing stuff, but
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: he was... You know, one of those very important odd
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: thinkers that have sort of flavored our culture.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Where you get to read these very unusual takes on reality.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Like Dan George's dream of electric sheep.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Hunter Thompson.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people like that that have just
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: written wild things that just make you just rethink the
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: world that we're living in.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a big Hunter Thompson fan. Yeah, just all that. Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Sci-fi has never really interested me as much as I
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: know it interests a lot of people. I'm not a
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: big Star Wars fan or Star Trek, but I do
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: love some things like Blade Runner or stuff like that.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I just only think about the future. You don't like
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: thinking about it? I hate the future. How come? I
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: don't know because it hasn't happened. I don't know what
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: to expect. I don't like change at all. I hate change.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Just personally? Yeah.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Any kind of change. Don't like it. I like things
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: to stay the exact same. I eat the same thing
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: for breakfast, wear the same clothes every day. Really? Yeah.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I'm a creature of comfort. Interesting. Like if I was
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: a turtle in a terrarium. I'd be happy as could be. Like,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: if somebody just fed me. You're a house cat. I'm
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: a house cat. Oh, without a doubt. That's what Edward
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Snowden calls himself, a house cat. Oh, me, yeah, me
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: and Eddie are, like, one and the same.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, when I asked him about his life in Russia,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I said, you know, what is it like? Like, do
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: you feel isolated? He goes, I'm basically a house cat.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I just need a computer and internet connection.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm happy. He's not missing anything going outside there.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Jesus. Yeah. No thanks.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: They might kidnap him and send him to the front lines. Like,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: If you go out there, if you're of age. Yeah,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: no thank you. No, I'm just a big indoor cat,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: and I like my routine. Every day, same routine. Yeah,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I just don't like change. So the thought of the future. Oh,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: the future is too much change. Oh, no, and the
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: flying cars. I don't like too many LED lights.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: When the hot robot assistants get created, are you going
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: to get one?
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Necessarily against that. I mean, geez. You know, I could
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: be swayed a little. But that's ex machina.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: That's what it is. That's what we're dealing with.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: I just like the past. I love the past more.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Why is that? I mean, one, it's real. As far
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, the future isn't real because it hasn't happened. Right.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: It's just speculation.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: It's speculation. And I love seeing where we were and
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: how we got to where we are now. So, like...
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: And also just, like, what people were doing 2,000 years ago,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: you think, like, how the hell did they come up
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: with that 2,000 years ago? Or the people who, you know,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: like Marcus Aurelius or somebody who, the way they thought, like,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: how it is the, it's perfectly maps up to now where, like,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: that same sort of stoicism, you know, I think, you know.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: can do wonders for people today. And he was thinking
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: that shit 2,000 years ago.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, unquestionably.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I think all that kind of stuff. And even, like,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: not that far back, but, like, the Victorian period I
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: think is fascinating. I think, like, when you travel around
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: the U.S., knowing, like, what did this city or this
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: place I'm standing at right now, what did it look
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: like 150 years ago? Like, what did it smell like?
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: It probably didn't smell the way it smells. Yeah. And, yeah.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: I like thinking about stuff like that.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Well, it's absolutely fascinating because– I mean, just think about
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: the timeline, the known timeline of human history. Have you
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: been to Rome? Have you ever seen like the Colosseum
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: or any of those places?
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: No, I've never been out of the U.S. Don't need
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: to do that.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: You don't need to?
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: No, I don't know. No need? I can just look
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: at it in a book or watch a documentary.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: I agree to a certain extent.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Well, no, I don't.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: So I think watching it is certainly fascinating. I love documentaries.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: But there's something about being there. Like I went to
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Greece a few years ago. And I was with my
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: friend Brian Murorescu.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Do you know.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Who he is? He's a scholar, and he wrote a
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: great book called The Immortality Key that is all about
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: the Eleusinian mysteries in ancient Greece, which I believe Marcus
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Aurelio participated in.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: And when Marcus Aurelius participated in that, I'm most certain
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: that that flavored some of his writings, particularly meditations.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Because there's a lot of the stuff in there that
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: seems very psychedelically inspired. Like the wisdom of this guy is, okay,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: this guy is running Rome. You know, what is one
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: of the most fucking powerful armies the world has ever known,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: conquering everything. And this guy is essentially like a psychedelic bard.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: It's very strange. Like his writings on forgiveness and truth
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: and recognizing your thoughts and just, he was, and you're
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: thinking about like, oh my God, this is thousands of
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: years ago this guy wrote this.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: This is insane.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: And a lot of that, I think, probably came out
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: of those Eleusinian mysteries. But I went with Brian because
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: I was there with my family and Brian happened to
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: be in Greece at the same time and met us there.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: He gave us a tour of Eleusis. So you get
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: to we were in the actual place where these people
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: had these Eleusinian mysteries and it feels weird.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: That's pretty cool.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: And you don't know if it feels weird because you're
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: ascribing all these feelings because in your mind you're like, oh,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: my God, I'm here. So you're in this heightened state
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: of suggestibility or whatever.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: I'm sure. Maybe. I'm sure that's a big part of it.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: It has to be a part of it. But it
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: felt weird.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: There's something about being there physically. I haven't been to
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: the pyramids. That's one thing that I must do. That
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: is like on the top of my to-do list is
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: I really have to get there. Because I went to
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: the Mayan pyramids. I went to Chichen Itza.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Guatemala or Chichen Itza. Oh, Chichen Itza. Okay, okay. Gotcha.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: And the Yucatan, it's fucking incredible. It's so bizarre.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, that would be. I'd go there. That's about as
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: far as I'd go, I think.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: It's a little sketchy now.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, actually, coming down to Austin is about pushing it
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: for me, really. Really? Yeah, and I'm only about, it's
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: about a four-hour drive.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Too much.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Too crazy. Too many things happening along the way.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Too much change. Too much change. Well, Austin is drastically
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: different from, damn, Longview, Texas. I mean, some things are similar. But, no,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I like a slow-moving place. You know, I just like
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: a– like I'm a slow-moving animal in general. Yeah. Slow-talking,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: slow everything.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Well, whatever you like, man. That's the beautiful thing about freedom.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Find your lane. Find what you're into. You know, for you,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: it's reading a lot of shit and making cool videos.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: And Real Housewives. And Real Housewives.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I can't watch those shows.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Because I just don't want to be around those people.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: And so when I hear them yapping and trying to
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: get all this attention, I'm like, I got to get
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: out of the room.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: That's the best thing.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: You aren't in the room.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: You just get to watch it from your room. I
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe I'm an empath.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: I get secondhand anxiety from these people's lives.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Do you like watching confrontations in public? Not your confrontation,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: but like other people. Like if somebody, two people get
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: in like a fender bender and they get in like
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: a little argument. Generally, I don't. I mean, I will
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: watch them if it's happening right in front of me,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: but I really wish it didn't happen.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: I'm very averse to, believe it or not, very averse
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: to public violence.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, I get that for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: not into violence. I don't want to see somebody get
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: knocked out. I've seen enough videos of people have their
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: heads bounce off concrete. Never want to see that ever
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: in my life. I've seen it a lot. Yeah, but
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I would love watching two people just yell at each other.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like that because it just leads to...
• 52:59
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  Speaker 2: And I'm just not a fan of human stupidity and
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: especially that kind of stupidity. I think it's really fucking dangerous.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: I think people engage in it freely as if there's
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: no consequences over things that mean nothing in the long
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: run of your life. But that move, that moment of
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: engaging could change your life forever. You can either get
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: killed or kill someone or get irreparably injured or harmed.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know people that have been beat up
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: and it's completely changed their personality forever.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: I know a guy that's a vegetable because of it. Like,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's about, maybe he's older than me, but yeah,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: mom has to take care of him. Jesus Christ. Yeah,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: because he got in a fight, got in a fight
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: and head hit the curb and that's it.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: And there's so many people that that happens to and
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: you never hear about them because they're still alive. They're
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: still alive, you know, so the person doesn't get charged
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: with murder. But meanwhile, you have taken away that guy's life.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, without a doubt. Yeah. It's the equivalent, I think.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, technically it isn't, but.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: It's kind of odd that I don't enjoy violence because
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: I've seen so much violence. I've probably seen more people
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: get their ass kicked than probably, there's probably very few
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: people who have ever lived on planet Earth that have
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: seen more people get their ass kicked than me.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, I think that's, yeah, without question. Yeah. Like, who
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: else could it be? I mean... I've seen.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've just been there live for thousands of fights.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: I've professionally called thousands of fights on TV.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Are there any people who have called more fights? Maybe. Like,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: in other... Like, I don't even mean here. Like, in
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Japan or, like... Like, is that the only thing I
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: can think of?
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: It's not likely. It's not likely. I've been doing it
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: since 1997. So, that's when I first started working for
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: the UFC. It was in 1997. I was four years old.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: So.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: That was my first, so that was the first time
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: I started working for the UFC. And then continually since 2001,
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: so 25 years of calling fights. And at one point
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: in time, I was doing like 20 plus events a year.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: So I was on the road like every other week
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: doing UFC fights. So I don't think there's very many people.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: And then on top of that, all the fights that
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: I watch, not live. So a big part of what
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: I do, I take the commentary job very seriously. And
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: even if I didn't, I'm just a giant fan of
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: combat sports. You think it's because.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: I like violence.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: What I really like is high-level problem solving, and that's
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: what it is. It's very intense. I call it high-level
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: problem solving with dire physical consequences. It's just like an
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: insane game. that these guys are playing. And there's an
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: incredible amount of technique involved, strategy, determination and willpower to
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: get yourself into shape, intelligence in order to formulate the
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: correct sort of style and game plan to be successful
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: as a fighter. And so I watch a lot of fights.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: I watch a lot of like jujitsu matches. I watch
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of kickboxing fights. I watch a lot of fights.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: So it's just in terms of like how many people
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: have watched more people get their fucking ass kicked. Probably
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: I'm at the top 1% of people that have ever lived.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I got a number for you.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: What is the number?
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: As of 2024, it was 3250.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: 3250 what?
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Fights. That I've called? Yeah. That's just that I've called.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: So 3,250 fights that I've called just professionally. And then
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: watching it, I probably watched that again.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: At least. Yeah. At least. At least. So it's probably 7,000-ish. Yeah, easily. Yeah.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: Easily, maybe more. Because sometimes I'll watch two, three in
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: a day every day. I watch them in the gym
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: all the time. I'm always watching.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: So it could be up to 10,000. Yeah.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: So I don't like violence, believe it or not.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can understand that, though, because, like. You know,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: it's not that you're loving seeing the guy get the
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: shit beat out of him. It's loving seeing how does
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: this guy handle the situation? How's this guy? you know,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: change his outcome. Like it's looking like it's gonna go
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: one way, what's he gonna do? Versus am I like
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: kind of.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: I love watching people achieve greatness.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: And I think greatness with the highest level of physical
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: consequences in terms of like safety, obviously war is number one.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Get past, and then there's, you know, first responders, police officers,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: SWAT teams, that kind of stuff. But outside of that,
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: in a controlled environment where people are preparing for a
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: very specific contest... I just find that to be the
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: most thrilling and exciting thing in all of sports. And
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: so that's my perspective on it. But I don't like
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: people getting violent on the street. It bothers the shit
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: out of me.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I hate it. Yeah, well, the risk reward too is
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: different I mean the risk in the in an octagon
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: or in a ring is drastically different when you have
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: me a medical team I mean not that things can't
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: happen but yeah versus a parking lot a hundred percent
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: and then what's to stop some other guy to come
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: up and just boot this person right in the face
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: and you see it all the time right you don't
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: see that in the UFC I mean so you're seeing
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: controlled chaos in a sense or it's not even really
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: chaos but you're seeing a controlled like we're both agreeing
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: to do this. We're both at the right weight. Yeah. Like,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: it's different. Like, whenever I watch, you know, whenever I
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: watch a fight, like, I don't think of it in
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: nearly the same way because I feel sick to my
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: stomach whenever I watch people get in fights in real life. Like, real. Yeah.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like that watching. I feel like I'm
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: watching two athletes competing. They hug each other after the fight. Like,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I feel the same way whenever I watch a football
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: game because I'm a big football fan. Like, that's my,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: you know, number one. And I hate seeing people get concussed.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Hate it. There you go. Yeah. Yeah, I hate it too. Yeah,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: I don't want to see somebody get helmet to helmet.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: This person can't even walk. Like, you know, doesn't know
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: where they are. But I love seeing a big hit
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: at the right time where, you know, you're making this
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: amazing defensive play because you are two athletes who have agreed,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: you know, and you're at the height of your, you know.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: I love watching people do things that are insanely difficult
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: to do.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: That's what I love.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Have you seen that there's this guy who's a Russian
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: gymnast who figured out some new way to do an
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: iron cross? He does an iron cross inverted.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: The hell's an iron cross?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: An iron cross is one of the most difficult moves
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: in gymnastics where they're on the rings and they hold
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: their body up like that with their arms out. It
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: takes like insane strength.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Vince Vaughn in old school when he's smoking the
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: cigarette doing it. Really? You never seen old school with
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Vince Vaughn and Will Ferrell?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Does he do that?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. That's probably CGI, right? It's fake? Well, no,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying really doing it, but in the movie, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: So this Russian guy has figured out a way to
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: do it upside down. So he's literally doing a handstand,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: and he stretches out.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Watch this. This is it? Okay. Watch this, Kat.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: This is crazy.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: The amount of strength that it takes to do that
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: is fucking preposterous. He's the first guy to ever do it.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: If I started today, how long do you think it
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: would take? For me to be able to do that.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: It would take you 50 or 60 years.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, I got time, Bill.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Well, you would have to lose an insane amount of weight.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: You'd have to get on steroids. There'd be a lot
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: of things that would have to happen to change your physique.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: You'd have to. Done, done.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: You have to change your. You got to get coaches.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: You got to go to Russia. That would be. That's
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: actually the biggest problem. The weight loss and the steroids.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: I can start right now.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know if this cat figured it out on
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: his own. If it was something he was thinking. Can
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: this be done? But I'm fascinated by people that are, like,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: the first person to figure out that a move can
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: be done.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Or just the people who can do anything for
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: the first time. Like, what was his name? Bannister. Roger
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Bannister that ran the mile for the first time in
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: four minutes. Yeah. It had never been done all this time.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: But then what's crazy is that, like, the next year
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: there was, like, six people that ran it. Yeah. So
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: it's weird how, like, I wonder how many people are
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: going to be doing this a week from now. Right. Like,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: probably a couple at least. Yeah, 100%. There's something about
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: knowing that something's achievable that makes it. infinitely easier. Yes. Like, weirdly. Or, like,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: X Games. I grew up watching the X Games a lot,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: and you would see a move be done, like a 900,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Tony Hawk doing a 900. Now there's, like, six-year-olds doing 900s. Oh,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: there we go. It's a nine-year-old, but... Yeah, but still, yeah.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: I'm still in the same thought process.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, when I was like a little kid. Look
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: at that kid. Doing back-to-back. Bro, imagine if that's your
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: kid doing that. You'd be like, don't get hurt, Billy. Dude,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: when I was like a little, when did Tony Hawk
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: do that? Was it 99, I think, 99 X-Men? Yeah,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: it was not that long ago. I remember watching, and
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: it was like, it was like you saw Jesus walk
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: on water.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Right, three back-to-back.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: And now there's a nine-year-old Japanese.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: Nine-year-old Japanese boy does back-to-back 900s.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: His first 900 at age seven.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that wild? 1999 is not that long ago.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is a while. Not that long ago
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: in human history. But for there to be that level
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: of change in that amount of years where it's like
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: an easy thing. That is crazy. That literally is crazy.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Boy, that is a rough fucking sport. Those guys get
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: some fucking concussions.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tony Hawk. Did you watch his documentary? No. Oh,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: you should really watch that. Until the Wheels Fall Off,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: I think is what it was called. It is incredible.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Tony Hawk's amazing.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: I had him on the podcast back in the day.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, really? He was great.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Really interesting guy.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: It starts with him trying to land a 900 now, like,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: you know, as he's gotten quite a bit older. And
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: just the amount of just the shit he's eating constantly.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: You can't get it because he's, you know, older and
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: harder to do it. But you still see, like, he's
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: not doing it for anybody. He's not in a competition. He's, like,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: in his personal, you know, halfpipe.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: And just– but you see it in his eyes, like–
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Like skaters have no quit in them. Right. Well, you can't. Yeah,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: but there's something amazing about that. Yeah. Like I'm a
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: big quitter. I love quitting. I don't know if I
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: love anything more than I love quitting. That's hilarious. It's great.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Like when something's difficult, I'm just like, oh, I could
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: just stop and do something better. That's funny. But those
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: guys don't have that. You and I would be like
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: a funny odd couple show. Oh, yeah. What was it?
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Oscar and whatever it was? Felix and Oscar. Felix and Oscar. Yeah, yeah. Oh.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: We probably are the most opposite people. I'm going to
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: be the most opposite person you may have ever had
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: on here.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: In many ways, but in a lot of ways, we're similar.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: We're interested in history. We're interested in unique facts.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Obviously, that's why I'm a giant fan of your page.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, there's a Venn diagram, you know.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: But ours is like, you know, barely touching. Yeah.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm always interested in like what turns people down
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: certain paths, like what makes them go one way or another.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I think anyone could go down
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: any path. It could have happened. I think it happens
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: oftentimes very young and then you start building momentum and
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: towards very specific areas.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: That's a big thing I have with, like, anything pop culture. So, like, movies, music, and, like,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: remembering dates. And, like, you know, when did this movie
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: come out? When did this album come out? It's because, like,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: my dad would, you know, like, trivia, like, give me tests, like, to, like,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: try to impress my uncles. Like, he was like, Cody,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: who sings blah, blah, blah? I had, like, five years old,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: and I would just name them. Right. But I would, like,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: I loved the... the rush from like knowing something right
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: that it impressed people because otherwise i mean i wasn't
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: impressing people you know in any other way so i
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: was like i gotta do something because my brother was
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: like amazingly good at baseball i don't have that so
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: i was like well what's my thing and it just
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: became facts yeah knowing random stuff and i like the
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: feeling of like when you tell somebody something weird that
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: they never knew and you kind of see them like
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: get like they're like oh my god i never knew
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: that so i like that feeling a.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Very impressive quality I love talking to people, and they
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: can tell me things that I had no idea of.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Like, what?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Brian Simpson's great at that. Brian Simpson is a warehouse
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: of interesting information. He and I, anytime we find something
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: really fascinating online, we send it to each other, and
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: he's just doing that all day long.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, see, that's my kind of thing. I want to
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: know everything. It's one of the reasons why I don't
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: want to ever die. It's one of the things I'm
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: scared about death is like, yeah, but what about all
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: the stuff I'm not going to know? Which I know
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: it's foolish. Like there's no way I could ever learn
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: 1% of everything.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: If technology came along that could extend your lifespan literally indefinitely.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Sign me up. Would you be in?
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know why people say like, oh, if I
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: make it to 90, kill me. You're a pussy. I mean,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: what are you talking about? I want to live for. Yes.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: What's that movie with Johnny Depp? Transcendence, I believe, where
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: they put him in the thing and it goes very wrong.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: I don't care. I would go to Jurassic Park even
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: knowing what happened to all those people, all those innocent people.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: Well, they're probably going to do that eventually. Right now
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: they don't have dinosaur DNA, but I don't think that's
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: going to be able to stop them from creating a dinosaur.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: I think what they're going to be able to do
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: is use bird DNA and eventually engineer a dinosaur by
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: giving each new iteration very specific traits. Like that's kind
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: of what they're doing at Colossal Bioworks.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Where they're bringing back the thylacine. I mean, they already
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: brought back the dire wolf.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, right. Okay, so that's who did the dire wolf. Yeah. Right, right, right.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: I went to that. I went to the place where
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: they have them.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Really? I saw the dire wolves.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: My daughter was playing with a four-month-old, six-month-old? I think
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: it was a four-month-old puppy, dire wolf puppy. And it's
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: like a puppy. It gives you kisses. It sits in
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: your lap. It's wagging its tail. It cuddles with you.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: But they get to a certain age where you can't
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: do that with them anymore. Yeah.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: For sure. You weren't worried it was going to, like,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: disintegrate or, like, you know, turn into something like the thing?
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: It opens up my mouth. Like, chops your arm off? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: No, because I spoke with them before and explained what
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: they're doing. It's mostly they're taking these genes from this, like,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: they got samples from, like, a 7,000-year-old corpse of a
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: dire wolf. They sequenced the genome and they started altering
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: gray wolf genes. And next thing you know, they have
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: this thing.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: That is, people say it's not a dire wolf.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: It's not technically a dire wolf, but that's by our definition.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: Like what is a dire wolf other than a collection
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: of genes that has the traits of a dire wolf?
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: You could, you can decide all you want what it is,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: but what it is is very different than any other
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: wolf that's ever lived. Well, you know, since direwolves have died.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: So why isn't it a dire... Why do they think
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: it isn't? It's their... They're splitting hairs. Okay.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: I had the head geneticist from.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: What was her name? Beth Cohen? Was that her name?
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: From Colossal Biowars?
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: Fascinating woman.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: Like, brilliant. And she was.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Beth Shapiro. Okay.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: And she was explaining how they do it and what the...
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: what the argument is that it's not a dire wolf.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: I'm in her camp. Essentially, we've decided like what, like
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: all these different animals, whether it's chimpanzees, cockatoos, whatever, we've
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: decided that this is what it is. But what it
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: really is is just a collection of genes, right? They
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: give very specific traits, and those traits are passed on
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: by its offspring. And they've managed to engineer an animal
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: that has all of the characteristics of a dire wolf,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: and they look very different. They're all white, and they
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: have a mane, which is really weird. They have like
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: this thick, almost like a lion's mane around, kind of
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: like my golden retriever does.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: Marshall has his bit of a mane. It's very elegant
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: when he runs.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: But they look different. They're stouter. They're a thicker, stronger wolf. Okay.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Really wild. It's interesting, like, At what point does something
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: become a new species then? Like, what's the difference between
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: a mutation? So, like, this one dog has, you know,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: or whatever, this one bird has a red beak, but
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: normally they're yellow. Uh-huh. Versus, oh, well, all the ones
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: with red beaks are new species. I've never really understood that.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: It's a good question. Yeah.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: Well, it's humans decide, you know, which is where... I mean,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: we have a very specific... way of categorizing different species
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: and it's like these biologists make these decisions and these distinctions,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: but ultimately nature doesn't give a fuck what you say.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: You know, it, it has many of these different weird
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: variables and it's up to people to try to figure
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: out like, okay, well, does this, is this logical that
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: this is a new species or is this a, look
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: at humans, like look at the differences in humans.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: Like look at like, um, Shaquille O'Neal, um, And, you know,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: Caitlyn Jenner. Like, that's the same species, right? Look at,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: it's very weird. Humans are fucking strange, you know? You
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: have Bobby Lee, and then you have Hulk Hogan. Yeah,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: it's like they're very different, but we're all the same thing. Like,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: if we were something else in the wild, we would
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: assume that these are multiple different species.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, it's like the, you know, kind of the
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Neanderthal versus Homo sapien. Look at that guy. Yeah, the
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: little tiny lady. World's tallest person and the world's shortest woman. Like,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: that's crazy. Which would you rather be? I guess the
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: tall guy, but he's probably in massive pain. He didn't look.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: He's got a cane. Generally, when they're that big, they
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: have a tumor on their pituitary gland.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: He's 8'3. Jesus. Yeah. He's probably in agony all the time.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: And I don't even know if you could mitigate that
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: with weight training or something, if you could get strong
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: enough so that you can carry that amount of weight
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: and frame. Because you're dealing with, I don't think human
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: joints are designed to carry around that kind of mass
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: and just that height. And also, if you have a
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: tumor in your pituitary gland, things are probably growing the
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: wrong way because what it's essentially is like secreting abnormal
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: amounts of human growth hormone constantly.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Which is why they get like the protruding, like Andre
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: the Giant.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you get like a long Easter Island head. There
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: was a guy that used to fight in MMA named
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: Bigfoot Silva, and he had that. And he actually had
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: the tumor removed from his pituitary gland, and it radically
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: changed his fighting ability.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's in a better way or a worse way?
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Much worse.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: His body wasn't producing the– his endocrine system wasn't functioning
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: properly anymore.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're not going to shrink. Right.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: So his hormone levels were all hugely depleted. And this
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: is at the time where they had banned testosterone replacement
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: therapy for mixed martial arts athletes. So he couldn't be
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: on it anymore. But when he was on it, oh,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: my God. Yeah. When he was on the sauce and
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: he was like 300 pounds and huge. He was killing people.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would suck.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like one of the first guys to
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: beat up Fedor Emelianenko.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: Who's one of the greatest of all time. But it
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: was just, he was so big. He was like 300
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: plus pounds and a black belt in jiu-jitsu and a
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: legitimate giant.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: God. Robert Wadlow didn't have that. You know, I'm talking
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: about the guy that was 8 foot 11. He didn't
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: have that? No, he didn't. No. Was he just.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: Abnormally tall?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: 8'11. What does he look like?
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Did he need a cane or anything like that, or
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: did he walk normally?
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: He died pretty young, but not even related to just
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: being that tall. He died from, I think he might
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: have had a cane later at some point. Yeah, okay.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: But I believe, unless I'm mistaken, he died because his
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: shoes had to be specially made, and the nails in
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: the soles gave him an infection.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: What?
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: And he died from the infection, I think. That's crazy.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: But look at him next to that. I mean, isn't
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: that wild? Yeah. But I mean, it's like, well, how
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: did that exist in 1920 to 1930? And we've never
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: had anyone like that now. Right.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: And he doesn't look like a guy who has a disease.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: He looks like a normal guy who's just enormous.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, yeah, he birthed eight pound, five ounces.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Isn't that wild?
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: He's great size and continued growth in adulthood due to
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: hypertrophy of the pituitary gland. So he did have a
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: pituitary gland issue.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: I thought he didn't have, and that's why he was... Yeah.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: So it's basically the same, but he looks much more normal.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I wonder why that happens now.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, at the time, corrective surgery was dangerous and not
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: guaranteed to work, so his parents decided against intervening.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: Wow. By the time he graduated, he was 8'4. That's crazy.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: His burial is wild. Like how, oh, he had to
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: have leg braces. Yeah.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: He had little feeling in his legs and feet, but
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: he never used a wheelchair.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: There's something about his shoes. Look at his shoes. Holy
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: fucking shit.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: Size 37 shoes.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Ooh, boy, that's crazy.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: What do you think of the historical depictions of giants?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: Huh? Historical depictions of giants. Like in.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: Like giants in the Bible, giants in.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: There's Native American stories of giants. They have a lot
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: of similarities, oddly. A lot of them are red hair. No,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: red hair, six fingers, six toes. Weird stuff.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wasn't that.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: Who'd the one guy beat with the damn sling?
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: David and Goliath?
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: Didn't Goliath have six fingers, I believe, in the bone somewhere?
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I remember that from Sunday school, I think.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: I don't remember, but I bet you're right. I was
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: pretty infatuated by the six fingers aspect of it. Well,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: what's interesting is the Native Americans had very similar stories
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: of large, red-haired, pale-skinned giants with six fingers and six
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: toes with no access to the Bible whatsoever. It was
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: completely different, whether it was folklore, mythology, or they're talking
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: about a real thing. That's where it gets weird.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: I feel like it can't be a real thing. Why
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: is that? Because they're not around now.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: Well, that doesn't mean anything because Denisovans are not around
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: now either, and we know those were a real thing.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but were the giants a separate thing from the humans,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: or were they just like humans?
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Probably a different branch of the human species.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: That's what I think.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: There's just too many stories.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: Or for whatever reason didn't make it. Died off.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Like a lot of other, like 90% of all species
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: that have ever lived are gone.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: Well, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: And there's been a ton of different versions of human
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: beings that existed. You know, like the Denisovan one is
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: really weird. I don't know if you've.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: So they're realizing these Denisovans were much larger than humans,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: than Homo sapiens.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: Like a lot larger.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: Like much bigger head, bigger cranial capacity, bigger brain capacity.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: larger jaw, larger eye sockets, larger eyeballs, like really weird stuff.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: So why'd they die out then? They should have been
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: the ones killing us.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: Well, we might have been the most clever because we're
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: the softest, you know, we're the weakest. So we were
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: probably the most vicious and we probably figured out tools
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: better than they did. And we probably slaughtered them because
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: they were dangerous.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, we figured out how to survive
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: around lions, tigers, and bears. Oh, my.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, my. We're clever. Wasps. Yeah, all kinds of stuff.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: It's entirely possible that we wiped them out. You know, like,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: that might be a part of the allegory. That may
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: be a part of, like, when you read the story
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: of David and Goliath.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Like, what happens?
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: Well, David kills the giant. You know, that might have
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: been what we did. We probably hunted them.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you get. Yeah, and it's probably also.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: They probably required an insane amount of resources. It was
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: probably incredibly difficult.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: It's like dinosaurs. Yeah, to feed them. It's like the
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: main reason they went out wasn't because of like, you know,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: the athletes. didn't just kill them all. It mostly died
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: from a lack of resources. And obviously like the oxygen
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: levels changing and all that business.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, a lot of things happen, right? But that's
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: what chickens are. Chickens are basically living dinosaurs.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: But they're tiny. You ever see a chicken go after
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: a mouse? No, I've seen chickens go after other chickens
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: or chickens go after worms or other little bugs. It's
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: very dinosaur-like, very velociraptor-like.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: But the way they go after a mouse is insane.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: It's like the ferocity in which they attack a mouse.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: Like there's a video we played it a million times,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: but there's a cat and the cat has a mouse
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: and the cat's kind of toying with the mouse and
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: a chicken runs over and snatches it from the cat
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: and just rips it apart like a monster. Just shaking it,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: fucking pecking it, tearing it apart.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, watch this.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: Look at this chicken fuck this mouse up. I mean,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: they didn't try to steal it from each other. They
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: all know what it is. They want that mouse.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: And you think of chickens as being these.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: Little cute little things that peck around the grass. No,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: if they catch a mouse, they will fuck that mouse up.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because, I mean, they'll do it to other chickens. Like,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: my grandparents had chickens, and they, you know, they'd kill
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: each other sometimes.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what the pecking order is. Yeah, they literally
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: peck at each other and tear each other apart. They're
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: ruthless little cunts.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, actually, really, all animals kind of do that
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: to an extent. Like, they'll kill their young, and all
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: humans do, too. Lindsay, Clancy, but, well, allegedly, I guess. Allegedly,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: she said she did it. Well, yeah, she may have
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: been under the, you know, she may have still been
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: psychotic when she admitted it. That one's so bizarre to me.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: She might have been psychotic when she admitted that she
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: did it?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: No, that's what some people think. Some people think that
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: she may. I mean, the people who are just trying
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: to find any excuse for why she did what she
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: did have come to just a million different brain dead.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that one is, that was not on my bingo card.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: I didn't think you're going to see hundreds of women
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: wearing pink shirts showing up outside the courthouse during her
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: trial in support of her having strangled her fucking children
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: with an exercise cord one at a time.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I did not understand that. I still really don't.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, well, there is just a huge number of
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: people who have just gotten so invested in true crime,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: like true crime YouTube channels, and that's all they watch
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: all day every day. And so they have basically convinced
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: themselves that they are detectives. But they suck at it.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: It's like I've watched so much football that I do
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: watch it, and I basically think I know more than
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: an NFL head coach. Meanwhile, I don't know anything. Right.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: Why would you call that play, you idiot? I wouldn't
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: have done that. I'm just sitting there eating pretzels. Of course.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: But there's all these women who have done the same thing,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: but with true crime, and they think they're a goddamn
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: Clarice Starling. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, so they think
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: there's like there's a cover up, a conspiracy. Oh, the
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: police department must be covering up things because the husband
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: definitely did it. Like, you know, they just go down
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: these rabbit holes of TikTok.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: Is the Dunning-Kruger effect in real time? Yes.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Yes. It is exactly what it is. Yeah. Yeah. It's
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: fascinating to see, but it is very sad when it
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: comes to that type of thing happening. Right. Well, it's bizarre.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: I never thought we would see it like during the
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: Casey Anthony trial. Nobody was in support of Casey Anthony.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Hell no. Now, she could have been proven, well, she
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: kind of was, but like full-on innocence. Nobody would ever
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: believe that she didn't kill that kid.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: Right, which, by the way, I'm going to send you this, Jamie,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: because you're not even going to believe this is real.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: But Casey Anthony has chimed in on the Shane Gillis
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: horror joke. Casey Anthony wrote a long piece on Substack.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: About the joke that Shane Gillis said about women dressing
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: like whores on SNL.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: Casey Anthony, the lady who killed her kid.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: I know, because it makes you so angry you just
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: want to strangle your loved one.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, good Lord, what a moron.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: Well, not only that, I mean, this lady was, if
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: you wanted to use that term, was strangled her kid
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: so she could go out and fucking party.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, women can dress however they want. Women in the
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: gym can dress however they want. Men who have opinions
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: about how women dress need to all the way go
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: fuck themselves. This toxic masculinity trend needs to end. These
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: fragile men need to get out of the way of
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: women in totality. This lady killed her kid.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And she feels.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: Like she can take the moral high ground and chime
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: in about a joke on Saturday Night Live. Which is
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: really the joke is on Shane. Because the joke is
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: that he looks like a creep in the background of
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: all these TikToks watching these ladies that are wearing nothing
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: doing these exercises.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: Well, he also didn't call them whores. He just said
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: they dress like it. Yes. Completely different thing. I mean,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: you know, you can dress like anything, you know. My
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: nephew was dressed like Batman like last year. He's not
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: stopping crime. I don't know. I just, I mean, I get,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: I guess a little bit of it, but like. I
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: think people weren't understanding like the nuance or, you know,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: really like thinking about all the way he's thinking. He's
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: just come out. They said, Oh, y'all are all whores
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: for dressing like this. No, no, no, no. And also
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: you can just however you want. Who cares? Yeah. Who cares?
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: But also when you do go to a gym, I mean, Jesus,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: I know like it is kind of hard not to
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: be like, God, what the hell are you? It's kind
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: of crazy.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen ladies at the gym that wear
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: essentially sheer pink, uh, really small shorts with no underwear
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: on and they're doing deadlifts. And when they're bending over,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: they're sticking their vagina with the thinnest of cloth out
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: into the air.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, I knew one of them was pregnant before she did.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: I'd say you're about six weeks. And by the way,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: I have no problem with women dressing like that. Have fun.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: God bless you. If you have a great body, especially,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: show it off to the world. Who cares? And don't
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: be afraid to admit that that's what you're doing because
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: that's what guys do. There's no reason to wear a
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: sleeveless shirt versus a sleeve shirt in the gym. You're
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: wearing a sleeve shirt because you want people to see
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: your arms. Show the guns. Show the guns. There's nothing
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: wrong with that. And if a woman wants to wear
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: skin-tight stuff to show off, who cares? Who cares? I
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: don't care. But I guess the word whore is what
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: gets them. Yeah. I get it. I get you get upset.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also because like real misogyny actually exists. Like
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: real women who hate– or real men rather who hate
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: women do exist. And so when you see a guy
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: joking around about a woman dressing like a whore, you
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: connect it to horrible thoughts, like horrible actions, like real
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: actual evil men that actually– Because, like, there's a lot
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: of men that genuinely hate women. Shane Gillis is not
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: one of them.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: Right. And he's a great guy. It's just a joke.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: But for some people, those words. And then you see, like,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: the word police people, which is hilarious. We need to
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: stop using that word. We're still using the word whore.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: Like, you're not? It's great. It's a great word. It's
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: a great word.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: It's a great word for also yourself.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: Like, like I, I freely admit that when I did like, um,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: especially the second iteration of fear factor is because I
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: was being a whore. They offered me a fuck load
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: of money to come back in like 2011 and host
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: fear factor again. And I'm like, I'm a whore.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: Let's go. Why not? Oh, I would hold myself out
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: for far less. Yeah, it's not– I don't think it's
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: a bad word. I just think it has to be
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: used wisely.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: It's one of the good things and bad things about
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: the internet is that everyone has an opinion.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: It's good. It's good.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: You get to see it all play out, see the chaos,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: and hopefully the dust will settle and there will be
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: some clarity on what's real and what's not real. But
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: because of the echo chambers and bubbles that people live
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: in online, there won't be any clarity, you know, because
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: everything is connected to an algorithm and you're only interacting
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: with people that agree with you.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, OK.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: And yeah, this is too complicated.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: Actually real or what's not real.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a real problem.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and just forming your opinions on like, I
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: don't know, people are just so opinionated to the point
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: where like it's their identity, like their their take on
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: a certain topic. That is who I am. And every
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: conversation I have, that's going to come up. And I
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: hate those people. I do as well. So much. And
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: by the way, that's a new thing. Yeah.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: I'm older than you. And when I was a kid,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: that didn't exist. I mean, there were some people that
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: were ideologically connected to whatever their political party was, but
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: not to the extent that people are today. We're flavored
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: every single opinion they have about every aspect of society.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: From paper straws to fucking electric cars to vaccines and
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: healthcare and fucking everything. Everything is connected politically.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: And if you don't say something about it, then you
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: must be on the opposite side. Silence is violence, Cody Tucker. Yes.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: Silence is violence. Because if I'm silent on something, that
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: automatically means I could be silent about it but still
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: be on your side. But no. They believe that I'm silent.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: I remember people getting mad at people that didn't put
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: a black square on their Instagram.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because they didn't stop the violence. They could
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: have stopped it by doing that. With a black square.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: It would have been nice.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: The black square would have ended all violence.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: If the whole country just put up a black square,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: it would have been over. We could have moved into
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: a new timeline.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Could have. But, yeah, I know. It's just that
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: virtue signaling. It is.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: And it's also this sort of evolution of human thinking
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: that's happening in real time. You know, with this So
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: you've got this thing, the internet, that gives you immense
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: resources and access to information. But then you also have
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: opinions that are inside this ecosystem that aren't even real.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: These are bots. There's so many bots. I read an article.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: There was an article in the New York Times about
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: Elon Musk's ex-girlfriend. There's the one that he offered Ashley St.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: Clair. He offered her allegedly.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: $ 40 million. She's his baby mama, right? So she has
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: one of his babies. And she offered him or he
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: offered her, rather, allegedly $ 40 million to be quiet. And
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: she said no. And she's blabbing to the world. So
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: she was at one point in time a right-wing influencer.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: And now she is a part of the Democratic Socialists
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: of America. She's joined the DSA, which is fascinating.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: Quite a swing.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: Quite a swing. Always interesting when people do a complete 180.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: But so this is an article that's written in the
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: New York Times and they post about it on Instagram.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: And I go into the comments.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: I go, OK, I need to see because I'm saying
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: this is ripe for bots. Like this is going to
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: be a fucking bot farm, like 100 percent.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: And it's all it was. It was crazy.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: A lot of them are literally saying the same thing.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: He could have just given her a billion. He's got
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: a trillion dollars. He could have just given her a billion.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: She would have stayed quiet. And you click on their page,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: and there's no posts, and it's locked down. It's a
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: private page. It's a name and a bunch of numbers.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: This is wild. This is like a fake outrage account.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: And there's a thousand of them that are posting on this.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: It's all the same thing.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: I've had it happen on one of my videos. I
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: had to take it down because I was so like,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: I was like, what is happening right now? It was
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: like one about Henry Ford that I did about him
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: being just a massive asshole and about like his Nazi connections. Interesting.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: And it turned into a full, the Holocaust didn't happen.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: Like it turned into that with thousands. I mean, I've
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: never like at that time had anywhere near that kind
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: of attraction. I looked and I was like, It's like,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: God damn, that one's getting a lot of, why is
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: that getting so many views? And we started reading them.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: It was like, the number's actually this. It's not 6
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: million or like, you know, and it's just constant. And
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: some of them were real or at least seem real.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: Because it's like, is this a real person saying this?
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: Well, there are levels of sophistication when it comes to bots,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: especially today with AI. They generate. One of the things
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: you could tell is like how recent. The page started.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: I like to go back to that first post. And
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of that first post is like six weeks
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: ago or a month ago. And then you see that
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: there's no interaction at all. No one's posting. No one's commenting.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: They have these posts. It's like them with their kid
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: on a swing, them working on a car in the backyard.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: And it might be AI generated or it might be
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: they have taken it from somewhere else. But they can
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: create a page that seems like a real person.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: And they say a bunch of things that seem like
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: what a real person would say, like really simple captions
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: for each picture. So there's like levels of sophistication. And
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: then eventually it's going to be ex machina type levels
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: of sophistication where you're not going to be able to
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: discern whether or not it's a real person commenting or not.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: No, and you can have the whole world believe something
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: just if you have enough money to pay for enough bots. Yes.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not even enough money. It's not expensive. That's
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: what's crazy. You could start a bot campaign. fairly cheaply,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: and have a bunch of people think, oh, my God,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: people are really mad at Cody Tucker.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: Like you could really have people's– and you could shift
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of the casuals who are just barely paying attention.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: You could shift their perception on you.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: And that's what they're trying to do. And they're certainly
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: trying to do that with Elon. But this thing with–
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: do you think it was Ford Motor Company that.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: Was doing this? No, no, no. What do you think
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: it was? There's just this massive rise in Holocaust denial.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: that's happened within just like the last couple of years
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: where like any post that has to do, I mean,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of it obviously has to do with like
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: the Israel-Palestine conflict and like Zionism and all this stuff.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: And then there's a lot of people who just like
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: watch like this one documentary that like disproves the Holocaust.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: And it's all, that documentary is all a bunch of like.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: Which documentary is that?
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: It's called like Europa, I think. It's like, it's all hogwash.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: None of it's real. It's just this guy who's, It
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: was a famous Holocaust denier. And now it's just become
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: like the, I don't know, because it's not even necessarily
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: like a right-wing versus left-wing thing, you know, where like, oh,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: all the right-wing people are Holocaust deniers or, you know,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: vice versa. It's like groups from everybody, but it's all like,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: for the most part, younger people, like my age or younger. Yeah,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: I just don't think it happens.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: You know what's also interesting too is that it's such
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: a disgusting subject that no one legitimate wants to debate
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: someone who doesn't believe.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: In the Holocaust. Right.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: Like you don't get like a legitimate scholar on World
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: War II who wants to sit down and have a
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: conversation with someone who's a Holocaust denier.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: Right. It's like you don't platform those people. You don't.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: And so because of that, like there's a lot of
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: people go, oh, they're hiding the truth.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: Who do you think wrote the textbooks? It was the,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, well, yeah, they didn't, but okay.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: What is their argument? Their argument is that it's less number,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: that the number's lower.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: The number that pops up every single time is 200.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: And that's why I started realizing it might be bots
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: is because every one of them was saying 271,000, like
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: every post or 217,000. So they think that's the number.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: How do they come to that?
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: Apparently, in the documentary, that's what the guy comes to
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: by crunching the numbers on the amount of Jews in
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: the area or something. I don't know. But it's absolutely absurd.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: So do you think that it's a foreign country that
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: is doing this bot attack?
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: Because if you were anti-Israel, if you were against Israel's
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: policies and you were a foreign country, if you're whatever,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: fill in the blank, Palestine, Pakistan, whatever it is. You
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: get some Muslim country that wants to fund some sort
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: of anti-Israel thing, and then you would go after the
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: core reason why people have sympathy for the Jews in
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: modern society is because they were almost exterminated in Germany.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, basically the reason Israel exists is because of
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: the Holocaust. Yeah, so... That would be the way to
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: do it. I mean, and I just think there's a
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: lot of people who, yeah, just believe it because they
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: read it on the internet. They see the meme saying blah, blah, blah,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: and they just outright believe it. I think bots should
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: be illegal. I really do. 100%. I don't care because
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of bots that follow me
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: on social media.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know there are a lot of bots that
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: follow me.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what the number is, but
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sure, I would guess it's probably about 25%. Let
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: my number, I don't care if my number's a dropper.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: I don't care if my money goes down. Get rid
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: of it. get rid of bots. Like you should, I've
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: always felt that you should have to have an ID
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: to be able to prove who you are, to be
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: able to create an account on any social media platform.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: I agree. Like, you know, I think there's like dating
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: apps that do it when you have to take a
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: picture of your ID and then you go through like
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: a vetting process. Uh, that should be the same with Instagram, Facebook.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: The problem with that is whistleblowers. And I think that
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: there is a, uh, There's a legit argument that– especially
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: if you're like an Edward Snowden or Chelsea Manning type
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: person who has access to information that is highly classified
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: but you don't want to reveal your identity. But people
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: need to know. Like there's a crime being committed on
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: the American people or the people of the world or whatever.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: The whistleblower thing, protections for whistleblowers was a key part
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: of the– Obama campaign, when he was running for office,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: was protection for whistleblowers. Meanwhile, he was like one of
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: the worst people.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: For whistleblowers ever.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: That was president, which is kind of funny. But they
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: also even removed that part from the Hope and Change website.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: So the Hope It Changed website had this whole thing
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: about whistleblowers. Deleted that.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Cat came out of the bag on that one.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: Good lord.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: So that's the argument against having to show identification is
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: that it's probably important that some people be able to
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: post anonymous because there's very powerful people that would try
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: to take them out.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: Right. No, no. I do believe in anonymity for whistleblowers.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: But how do you do that and then also have–
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: An ID to post.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: No, you can't. But, I mean, you can just whistleblow
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: the old-fashioned way and just write it to a newspaper
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: that only about 40 people are going to read now
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: because nobody reads newspapers.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, you can't even count on the newspaper printing that.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: Well, no.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: Depending upon what you're revealing and what ideology would be
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: opposed to that and whether or not this newspaper ascribes
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: to that ideology.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, which that's kind of always been
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: a problem, too. But if you went back to like,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: you know, the all the president's men, you know, Nixon,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: Watergate stuff like at least, you know, they were able
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: to do that.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: Well, that was one of the most disturbing things about
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: Elon purchasing Twitter was when they let like Michael Schellenberger,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: Matt Taibbi and all these journalists.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: Review the emails that.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: That were with the executives at Twitter were in contact
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: with the intelligence agencies. And that the intelligence agencies were
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: actively censoring accounts, were directing them to remove accounts. They
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: were posting factual information. But that was inconvenient towards the
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: COVID policies of the Biden administration. So they were actively
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: censoring legitimate scientists from Stanford, MIT, like legit people. And
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: they were like, uh-uh, ban them.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: Take them off. Yeah. Scary. Yeah. I mean, I don't
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: know if there's really any real right way of going
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: about it. I mean, we may be doing it the best,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: the most right way that it could be done, which
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: that's terrifying if that's true. I don't.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I think there has to be a way to
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: tell if something is a bot and you should have
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: some sort of filters in your system at least to
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: mitigate the bots to get to a point where you
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: can't just have a letter and a name and a
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: bunch of fucking numbers and have 50,000 of those accounts
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: and bomb on someone's account because Henry Ford was a Nazi.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: Or just– I guess that doesn't work either. I was
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: saying like– Just have it where you're vetted and then
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: only people who have been vetted can comment. But at
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: the same time, that doesn't necessarily work because if a
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: person's a whistleblower, it ruins out.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the problem is anonymity is important when you're revealing something,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: especially when you're revealing something about a government or corporation
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: where they can whack you. You know, it's like, I think,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know what I want to say, but I
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: think the best way to do it is just ignore
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: their comments. And just let them– but there's a bunch
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: of people who don't do that, and it does artificially
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: alter public opinion on things.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, which is– that was why, like, for that post,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: I just took it down because I was like, oh,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to go through and sift out all
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: these comments.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: Did you think about just banning the comments? Just blocking comments?
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, disabling comments. No, not until right now. That might
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: have been the best way to do it. Probably should
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: have done that.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: Because it's an– I remember that post.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: It was an interesting post.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: Does it exist anymore anywhere?
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: No. Wow. They got me. They got you.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: I was infiltrated. Maybe that's how.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: The people that are pro-Holocaust narrative do it. They put
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: in so many scumbags that if you agree to, if
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: you follow what they're saying, you're a terrible person.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: And people don't want to do that.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: That's true. And so they're shaming you. Yeah.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: For posting it.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: Jeez. Wild. It's not good. Yeah, no, I probably should
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: have just taken out the comments. How bad was Henry Ford, though?
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: Just not a good person overall. Is this it? Oh.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: Where does it exist?
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: YouTube Shorts. YouTube Shorts. YouTube Shorts. Let's put the headphones on.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: Do you want to check the comments?
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: Start from the beginning. Oh, you should, actually. That'd be
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: pretty funny. Start from the beginning. Here we go. When
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: I press.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: Henry Ford revolutionized the automobile industry. with his moving assembly
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 5: line allowing for the manufacturing of the Model T to
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 5: go from 12 hours per car to 90 minutes per car.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: At that point, they were making 10,000 Model Ts a day.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 5: He also doubled his employees' wages and basically created a
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 5: new middle class in America. Despite all of this... Henry
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 5: Ford was also a massive anti-Semite. In 1920, Henry Ford
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: began publishing a weekly magazine called The International Jew, The
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 5: World's Problem. Henry Ford's views on the Jewish population struck
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 5: a nerve with a young man in Austria, who included
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 5: Henry Ford in his manifesto, Mein Kampf. Henry Ford was
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: the only American complimented in that book written by a
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: young Adolf Hitler. Henry Ford even received the Grand Cross
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 5: of the German Eagle, the highest German award for foreigners,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: by Adolf Hitler himself.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: That's wild. Click on the comments, please. Let's go. Here
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: we go.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: What does it say here? Oh, for a second, one.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: Henry Ford, a man ahead of time. I bet they're
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: not talking about the first part. It always feels like
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: we've forgotten more than we remember.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: I live in Detroit, and ooh, boy.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: Is this topic taboo. I wonder why.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: The irony is that when the war broke out, the
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: same Henry Ford revolutionized the manufacturing of war planes. Other
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: admirers of that little mustache Austrian painter were Disney, King
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: Edward VIII, Duke of Windsor, Wallace Simpson.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Charles Lindbergh was massive.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: Was he really?
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: He's a massive Nazi, yeah. Whoa.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: No way. Mm-hmm. So this isn't as bad. Oh, this
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: one's nowhere near as bad. It seems like... Stop, stop, stop.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: Let's go back up. Some of these seem like bots.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, Ford was... I don't know. None of it...
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Ford was a great man. I mean, the My Type
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: of Guy thing is very... Yeah. It could be shit posters. Yeah. Well, yeah,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: which I think that's a lot of it too.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows?
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: Who knows? It's got Lionel Richie in his fucking, that's
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: his image. So it seems like it's more of a
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: social media thing than a YouTube thing where the comments were.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: God, a lot of those seem like bots.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they do.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: Look at these names with all the– when you see
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: names like that with a bunch of numbers behind it,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: I have so much more respect for Henry now.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: That's the one, yeah. At the top, yeah. But these
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: are definitely nowhere near as bad.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: I mean– Nowhere near as bad, but the same thing.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: I have more respect for him. But look at what
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: it is. It's the same thing. It's these names with
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: a bunch of numbers.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, almost all of them are. I mean, there was.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: An article we've referenced many times where a former FBI
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: analyst was looking at Twitter before Elon Musk purchased it,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: and he determined that it was somewhere in the neighborhood
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: of 80% bots.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: Because they were trying to say that it was 5%,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: and they did that by a 100-post random sampling. So
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: they just randomly got, allegedly randomly. But if you're trying
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: to sell something for $ 4 billion or whatever he paid
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: for it. Was it $ 40 billion? What did he pay
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: for it? For Twitter?
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: Something crazy. $ 44 billion.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: So if you're selling something for $ 44 billion, the last
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: thing you want to do is find out that it's
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: mostly just robots yelling into the abyss. But this CIA
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: guy or this FBI guy said he estimated at the
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: high end it's in the 80%.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, that seems so high, but probably.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: But it makes sense, though.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: It's probably right.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: If you think about it, that's the town hall. And
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: propaganda has always been a thing. Distributing leaflets, putting propaganda
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: films out. That's always been a thing. So why wouldn't
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: you utilize the greatest vehicle of propaganda the world has
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: ever seen and just have an army of people comment
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: on things?
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: Makes sense. Yeah.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: Manufactured outrage.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, which is what most things are now. It's like
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: manufactured outrage or manufactured fandom. Like I feel like most
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: things that are so popular now, there's no way that's authentic.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: Like what kind of stuff? Like certain movies will make
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: just an astronomical amount of money. I don't think that
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: many people want to see that movie. Like that new
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: Spider-Man movie, The Brand New Days, like broke every record.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: Who the hell went to go see that though?
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: You'd be amazed.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: People love superhero movies. Or like the Ella Langley, you know,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: that music, that song. Nothing against her, nothing against the song.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: But it's like baiting all these records. I don't know
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: a single person who's sitting around listening to that. I
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: listen to that song. Okay. I like it.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: You should go to a bar on 6th Street.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. Is it really?
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: Well, that actually makes– That song is popular as fuck.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it makes– I think maybe I'm just– I'm
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: not the best person to even talk about that kind
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: of stuff because I'm in a dang one-person bubble.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in a bubble. Have you ever seen her–
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: there's a film of her, a video of her getting
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: ready to go on stage and she's walking through the
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: backstage area.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: And that song, Stayin' Alive, is playing, and she's dancing.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: It does the little kicks and stuff. Yeah. Very compelling.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: It is. Isn't it weird how that video is so, like, captivating?
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: Because I've watched it free.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: Here, play it. Give me volume. Yes, I've watched this video. Oh,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: because of the song? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: On that note, I'll talk to you later.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: Never mind. Okay. You want to just tell me now
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: and edit it out? Yeah, yeah. Just what?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: You and LL Cool J reciting the lyrics to Going
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: Back to Cali got flagged.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: That's how the flags work. It's like because you recited
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: the lyrics.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: Really? Oh my God.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: These fucking criminals.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: Was he reciting them? Yeah, both of them. Yeah, both
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: of us. But he probably doesn't own the... No, it doesn't.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: It's just the flag itself. That's fucking bananas. Bananas. Wow.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: It's a weird world we're living in, man. Yes. If
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: you hum a song....
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: Like, you know that song, is it, I'm not going
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: to say it.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: We don't talk about songs anymore.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: Is it the, is it the, is it Sunshine of
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: My Life? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: You guys have done that a lot.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: I do that all the time. Like, whenever I think
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: about someone like really high on drugs, I always like,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: Make that noise. And if you can't, well, I'll make
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: it real quick and then we'll edit it.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: Right. Here we go. Sunshine of your love. Yeah. Sunshine
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: of your love. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cream. So cream. Right.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: So when, if you do that on a podcast, they'll
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: flag you.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: Just do that. That's so crazy. Crazy. Oh, my God. Crazy.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: I'm amazed mine hasn't. Because I have. a movie podcast,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: and one of our categories is called Creed It and Weep,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: where you have to place the Creed song, arguably the
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: greatest song ever written, My Own Prison by Creed, somewhere
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: in the movie where you put it. And we always
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: end up singing the song.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: They probably haven't got you yet.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: They'll find you. I know, we do a good job.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: They're going to get you now.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: Now that you're talking about it here, they're going to
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: get you. Yeah, I shouldn't have mentioned it. But that
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: Choose in Texas song is huge.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: No, it is, I guess. It's huge.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: There's something about this world that is so chaotic that
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: it has made simplicity much more attractive and country music
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: is making a giant comeback.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: A huge resurgence.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: It's because people want, like, They want to be by
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: the river with a pickup truck and with, you know,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: just having a good time and praising Jesus. And they
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: want simplicity. They want things to be clearly defined and
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: they want to take away the anxiety of the unknown
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: because the anxiety of the unknown is looming over us
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: constantly like a fog, like that giant sky demon from
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: Stranger Things.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: You know, that fucking thing.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: That's like looming.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: That's what our future, our uncertain future and this technological
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: hell that we, we've unleashed on the world. And that
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that they, they long for
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: the opposite of that. They long for Yellowstone. They long
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: for cowboy shows. They long for things to be simple.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: That's a bit, no, I do agree with that where
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: people just want to have land and people want to
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: occupy their land. And, uh, they want to raise families
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: on their land. There's that. That's like 90% of... Homesteading. Yeah.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: But I think with music, though, it's kind of interesting because,
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, you could kind of say that about any time.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: Like the 60s, when was there ever a more, like,
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: what the hell's about to happen to us time? But
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: then that was some of the most original music ever
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: made and some of the most complex music ever made
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: at that point. Sure. So it was like the chaos...
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: It's turned into chaotic music. Whereas now the uncertainty has
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: turned into, God dang, I just want to make sure
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: this music sounds the same. I want to know what
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: I'm getting before I get it. Like, well, that was
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: just suck at making music now too. I don't know
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: about that. Not, not, well, no, not in like overall,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: but I think what gets pushed to the top is,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: is more like that. I think people, uh, like whoever's,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: you know, marketing music or whatever company, you know, whether
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: it's Sony, whoever, they're way less likely to take a
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: risk on someone and they just know like, okay, this
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: worked the past 15 times. Well, let's go and do
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: 16th and, and do it that way. And where I
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: think that wasn't always the case. I mean, you could
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: definitely say there was like the pop, you know, bubblegum
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: pop of the sixties where it was just how many
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: versions of the Dave Clark five can we make? And then,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: but occasionally they would bust out like, you know, like
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: the doors or, you know, big brother in the home
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: company or something. Now I don't think there's any version
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: of that. Well, I don't know if that's true. No?
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: No, because I think that today, one of the very
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: unique things about today is that you don't need anyone
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: for you to go viral. All you have to do
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: is be able to post it online. Like Oliver Anthony
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: is a great example of that. He comes up with
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: Rich Men North of Richmond and it becomes this fucking
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: massive hit, like out of nowhere. And it turns out
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: he's actually really fucking talented. And stays independent and does
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: it all on his own.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think those are very few and far between.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: But they exist and they didn't exist before. So in
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: the 60s, you couldn't do that. If you were going
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: to release an album, you had to go through a
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: music company. You had to go through a record company.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: You had to have an agent. You had to have
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: a manager. You had to have all these. There was
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: gatekeepers to keep you from getting on the radio. You
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: couldn't just have a song and bring it to the
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: radio station and say, hey, will you play my song?
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: That's not how it worked.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: No, no, you had to bring it... Yeah, you had
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: to bring your demo to a label, and then the
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: label took care of the rest.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: Oliver Anthony's first time performing live was in front of, like, 12,000 people.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: So he's a guy who, like, makes a song literally, like,
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: in a field with a fucking cool guitar and sings
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: this song, and it resonated with people so strongly that
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: they just... went out to see him in droves.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: That is.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: But he's a very unique talent.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: But it's also like that thing now exists where it
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: never existed before. And there are people like that out there.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of other ones that are really interesting
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: that are popping off like left and right all over
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: the place in that way. Just resonate with people.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: I need to actually listen to some newer music because
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: I never do. I'm so stuck in like older music. And.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: Have you ever heard his song Scornful Woman?
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: Oliver Anthony's? Yeah. Yeah. You played it for me. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: That was amazing. Whoa. Yeah.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: That was so good.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: No, he is amazing. And there are some people for sure.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: I just feel like talent has, I don't know. There's
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: something that just feels too robotic about music. Like whenever
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: I hear songs now, it, sounds like it's made on
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: a laptop like even but like it's almost like too
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: well produced whereas if i listen to like van halen
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: one i can hear the times where eddie van halen
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: fucks up right right right even though he's the greatest
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: good horse of all time like i want to hear
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: the imperfections in that and now you would have a
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: producer go through and cut out every little thing and
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: it doesn't even sound like a person anymore right so
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: i there's something that just feels like a uncanny valley
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: About music now. Movies have become that way even to me.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of AI clips that I watch
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: now on YouTube with these short AI movies like Dracula
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: versus the Wolfman.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: And they're really clunky. They're clunky and the graphics are
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: kind of, they're a little shitty. They're really good, but
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: not good enough. Like you don't think it's real.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: But I'm just fascinated that a regular person gets to
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: do these things. It's really weird.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, there's part of me that thinks that's
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: a good thing, but part of me that doesn't. Sometimes
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like there needs to be a bottleneck, you know,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: where I think, yeah, I don't know. I feel like
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: less is more almost always.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: Well, it's definitely going to be hard to find the
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: quality things. But I think that the quality things are
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: going to exist where they wouldn't have existed before. Like
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: someone who's just a very creative person that has an
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: idea that would have cost millions and millions of dollars
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: to produce. Instead, it's just sitting at home with a
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: laptop and an LLM, and they feed it into that.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: And next thing you know, you've got this really cool
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: creative video that came out of their imagination that wouldn't
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: have been possible. But the amount of those versus the
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: amount of bullshit is crazy.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: That's the problem. That's the problem. And I think that's
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: a big problem with music, too, is that there's just
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: so much. Yeah.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why live performance is so awesome.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: Like going to see a live musician.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: You know, like Oliver Anthony played at our club. He
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: played at the Mothership.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: I saw that. Yeah.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: We've only had two awesome bands play there. Oliver Anthony
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: and his band and Red Clay Strays.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: They're amazing. Amazing. So that's like one of the few
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: bands of like, you know, that I do actively listen
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: to that's a modern.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: Lead singer, also Android user.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: There you go. Doesn't give a fuck. Yeah. Yeah. No,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's quite a bit of– maybe quite
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: a little overlap in between him and I.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: There's a rebellion thing about Android users.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of people that I know that are–
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: Brian Simpson, Android user. Andrew Wilson, Android user. There's a
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: bunch of people that are like just unwilling, unwilling to
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: give in to the call of the siren.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: Exactly. No, I'm strapped to the damn– to the mast
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah. I'm not– Yeah, well, I feel
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: like if I changed it now, I'd be a real dickhead.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the problem with committing to something like that.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: Because if you tried an Apple iPhone and you realize, oh,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: my God, this is so much easier to use and
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: better and it does things for you.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: I don't want to even think about that. You'd give
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: up on the convenience? What if it was able to
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: do things that you couldn't do without it? I'm not
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: that interested in convenience. I don't really need convenience. No? No,
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: because I don't do anything else. So I have the
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: time to be having a less convenient life. Do you
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: ever think.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: That you will make your life more complicated? Do you
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: ever see yourself having a family or anything like that?
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, geez. Oh, it's entirely possible. How old are you now?
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: There may already be one now.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: How old are you now?
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: Thirty-two.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: Do you think about it someday that you'd like to
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: have a little Cody running around?
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: Man, I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. I feel
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: like I'd probably be an all right dad. I'm sure
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: you're a nice guy. I'm sure you'd be a great dad.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: It would change you. It'll change you. I don't know
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: about in a bad way. But I won't be able
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: to do whatever I want to do. You won't. Whatever
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: I want. You won't. That's true.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm a big like– But you will love.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: This child more than you've ever loved anything in your life.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: It will change your life.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: I'm ready for that. You don't have to. No.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not encouraging you as a person who is a father.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: I'm not encouraging. I think– I do not like the
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: idea that the only way to live a fulfilling life
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: is to be a parent.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: I think that is.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: I think any sort of reductionist perspective on a person's
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: life and purpose I think is ridiculous. There's a lot
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: of people that have never had children that have greatly
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: impacted the human race.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: In a super positive way.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: And had wonderful relationships and friendships and people love them
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: and miss them and they genuinely changed the world.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. You don't have to have children. No, but in
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: all seriousness, I probably will at some point. Yeah. I'm sure.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: I think you'd be a great dad.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'd be, you know, a good husband,
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: good dad, you know. So I'd probably do it at
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: some point. You might have to leave your town to
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: find a, you got a lady right now? Yeah. Oh, well, good. Congratulations. Yeah.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: Does she want to have little ones, little Codys? She
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: already does.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: She already does.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: Well, she doesn't already have little Codys.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: But she has children already?
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so. I mean, I guess I kind of don't
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: have a choice in that matter. I mean, yeah, no. No,
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: it's all going to work out pretty good.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you're hopeful.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You have a good perspective. Well, I don't really
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: have much of a.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: Choice, you know.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Be hopeful or dread life. I'm not too interested
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: in that.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: Well, people are always worried about the uncertainty and the unknown.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: And like we were talking about before, I really genuinely
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: think that's why there's this genuine, there's a trend, a
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: clear trend. Toward, like, simplistic music and simplistic lifestyles. And
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: certainly during COVID, a lot of people, like, turned to homesteading.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: And they realized, like, oh, we might not be able
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: to have food. Which, by the way, I saw maybe
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: the worst movie I've ever seen in my life the
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: other day.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: Okay. I think it's called The Last House. Okay. It
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: kind of looked interesting. Wait, hold on. The Last House?
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: Are you sure that's what it was called? I think
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: that's what it's called. Yeah, it just came out. Yeah, okay. Okay,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: it's good.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: For a while. The ending is maybe the worst ending
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: of any movie of all time. It's almost like they
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: ran out of, yeah, this is it.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is it.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: Spoiler alert, they get trapped in the house by aliens.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: So aliens won't let you leave the house. You can't
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: break the windows. You can't open the door for whatever
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: fucking reason that makes no sense whatsoever. And then these
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: aliens are like these big squid things that are like
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: octopus things that hang out outside your door. And then
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: most people starve to death because they can't leave the house.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: But this one family, the dad's an engineer. They figure
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: out a way to trap animals and drag them back
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: into the house. And then they survive somehow or another.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: But there's these monsters that live out there. I don't
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: want to spoiler it for anybody, but the ending is
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: so fucking dumb.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: You're just going to go, what happened here? And by
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: the way, that guy who's the lead actor is the
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: guy who played Pablo Escobar.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Narcos. Yeah, he's amazing. And he won or nominated
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: for an Oscar last year for some– He's fucking great. No,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: he is. He's an amazing actor.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: Holy shit, is this movie bad.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: How long do you think you'd be lasting in that?
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: In that kind of a world?
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: Trapped in a house? Trapped in a house is not good.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: You got all kinds of stock. Yeah. For good, you go, okay,
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: good for a year.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: What are you good for? Two years?
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: And then you're going to need food.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: You're going to need to get out of the house.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: There's no way you're going to be able to live
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: in your... The premise of the movie is ridiculous.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: And they throw a trap out of the chimney, and
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: that's how they catch animals on the front porch. It's
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: the dumbest fucking... Oh, it's pretty good.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: Good thinking.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: It's kind of okay. Like maybe it kind of would work,
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: but it's the ending. I don't want to give away
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: the ending. The ending, you're just going to go, what
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: the fuck just happened?
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't laugh.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: One of the monsters is a good monster, and it
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: tells him, don't kill these people, and it opens the
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: door and lets him out. After like six years.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: Wait, so that's the ending?
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. And then they never see the monsters again,
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: and then they go sailing. It's the dumbest fucking ending
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: you'll ever see in a movie ever.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: There's another trapped on a boat.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: Well, they're going to go around and eventually find other
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: people that live too. But there's maybe like 30 people
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: left on Earth. And by the way, these monsters, they
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: never see them again. That's also part of the thing. Meanwhile,
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: they're everywhere in the beginning. Every time it gets dark
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: out and rains, these monsters are outside their house and
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: they have to cover the windows or the monsters will
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: see them. And then one day the monsters enter the
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: house and try to kill them. And then they fight
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: with the monster and then don't kill the monster and
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: that monster decides they're a good guy. And so he
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: lets them out.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: I don't like any of this.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: Dude, it's so bad. The ending, you're going, what in
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: the fuck did I just watch?
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't make it three days. I can't ration. So
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: I'd be really screwed. You'd just eat all the potato
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: chips and that's it. Oh, everything. I mean, I have
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: plenty of things and I could survive, but I'd get
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: way too hungry.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: But if you knew, do you think you would change
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: your behavior or would you say like, let's just.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: It's too embedded. I've lived this way way too long.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: Until the wheels fall off. Let's go. I mean, might
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: as well. I have a clean bill of health as
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: far as my doctor goes. I might as well go
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: out with a clean bill of health.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: What if you found yourself out in the woods and
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: there was no one anywhere around you? You woke up
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: and you're in a cabin, but you have a rifle,
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 2: a large amount of bullets, firewood, some sort of a
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: wood stove, and water. Do you think you'd live? No.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: So I would take the rifle and put it right there.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: I would look out the windows and I would maybe
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: like whistle.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: What if there's a bunch of books, like really cool
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: books in the cabin and all you had to do
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: is just figure out a way to shoot some squirrels,
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: stay alive.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't, I wouldn't be worth it. I think I'd
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: just send it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I need to,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: I wanted like an easy life, you know, I'm not
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: meant for a difficult life. I've ruined myself.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: Physically but mentally you do like challenges oh.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: Yes I'm a big I love a mental challenge I
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: love keeping this thing going it's just from there down
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not keeping well I'm conserving energy just in case.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: I understand your perspective.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: If something happens you would be surprised I'm telling you
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: I feel like you don't believe me at all on
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: this but If something happened, I'd really be able to
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: take off pretty quick. What do you mean? Like fast. Run?
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think you're delusional.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, well.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think you'd be able to run. If there
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: was like you and me and an animal was chasing us,
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: it's going to get you.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: I'm coming in first. You're coming in second.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: That's a hilarious perspective. That's actually hilarious. Well, it depends
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: on the animal, I suppose. It does not depend on
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: the animal. No.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: It could be a fucking chicken chasing us. I'm going
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: to get ahead of you by a large margin really quickly.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: And there's no way you can catch me. It's not
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: even physically possible.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: What's the distance?
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: It could be 100 yards. It could be 100 miles.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: 40-yard dash. My 40 time was surprisingly quick.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: I think that was a long time ago, Cody.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it may have been a long time ago. I
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: think it.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: Was a long time ago. I don't think there's a
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: chance in hell that you could run faster than me.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: Probably not. No. No. No. Well, we won't race, so
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll never know the actual answer.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is a weird idea that you have
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: in your head. A guy who's so smart and who
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: is so interested in facts and history has this one
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: delusional idea that you can run.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: Interested in facts and history, yes. Smart, no. You are smart.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: I can just remember things, but I'm a pretty delusional person.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: In this aspect.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: I think life's way too short to not be delusional.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: So it's like a protective shield, being delusional?
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: Yes. I just I think everything's going to work out always.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a way better perspective than everything is going
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: to be doom. Well, those people are exhausted. So I do. OK,
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: I actually probably shouldn't have said what I said. I
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: do think everything's going to go bad.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: But I think I did the wrong order. So I
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: think everything's going to be bad inside. But on the outside,
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: I try to convince myself that everything's okay. And it
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: does work. But no, on the inside, I'm scared to
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: death of everything.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: But everything is going well for you. Like you said,
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: you've got a lady in your life. Your page is
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: doing fantastic. You've written two books. Things are going really well.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: No, no, it's not that. I just think, what if
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: I have a heart attack right now? Or what if
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: on the way home I die in a car wreck?
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: I'm always thinking. I'm a very what-if person. person, which
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: is why I don't like thinking about the future. Because
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: when I think of the future, I'm not hopeful at all.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: It's always like something bad is going to happen to
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: me in the future. But right now, nothing is.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: If things start to happen bad, like if your health
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: starts to fade, do you think you'll make conscious decisions
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: to become healthier?
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, I would like to think so. But... I don't know.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: I'm very much like a as long as everything's coming
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: back all right, I'm going to keep running this son
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: of a bitch into the ground. Right. As long as
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: everything's coming back all right. Yeah, but if I get
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: an A1C test that looks a little iffy. Well, I
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: think that would probably.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: Change if you had children.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: That would be one of the things that would change.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: You would want to be around for your children. And
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: that does happen to a lot of people. They have children.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: They say, oh, my God.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: I have to be here for this little tiny person
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: that I love to death. I have to change my diet.
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: I have to change my life.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. No, there's no doubt about that. I would
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: change things up quite a bit. I mean, I have
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: changed some things. I quit drinking. When did you do that?
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: Seven or eight years ago. I don't know. It was
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: probably about eight years ago. Actually, partly because of October stuff. Really? Yeah. Well,
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: that was like whenever I first tried it and was like, oh,
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: this is way better than drinking every day. Yeah.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: You certainly feel a lot better.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: That's for sure. Yeah. And then, you know, the month
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: ends and then I go back to drinking, but I'm
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: like not enjoying it that much. And then by like
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: February of, you know, after that November, I was just like, no, done.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: No more. I'm tired of this. I'm tired of drinking
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: every day. I'm tired of drinking as much as I'm
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: drinking and feeling horrible and just quit. Good for you, man.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: That's it. I have it in there.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: I took eight months off, about eight months, and then
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: I went out with my wife and had a, I
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 2: think I had a margarita.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: Margarita or a glass of wine, something like that.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: And then I was like, oh, I think I'm back.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I like it. See, that's my problem. I can't
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: have a little of something. That's the big problem. That's
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: why drinking was kind of easy. Not that it was easy,
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: but it was kind of easy because I can just
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: not drink. I'll live, like I can just have zero alcohol,
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: but I can't have zero food. And that's my, where
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: my problem is. Right. Is I overeat all the time.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: Cause I just, I feel like I'm never going to
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: get enough. It's like famine mentality, but I didn't grow
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: up like, you know, poor or anything. So, I mean,
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: not rich, but like, I don't know why I have
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: this like mentality of like, Oh, I gotta have everything.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: But that's how it was with alcohol too. It's like,
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: I can't buy an 18 pack of beer. Cause that's
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: not going to be enough. Like, no, no, no, no.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: So I need to buy two 18s. Cause like, I
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: know that'll be more than enough. And I don't want
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: to ever run the chance of not having enough. And
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: because there's so much, I'm more inclined to drink way more.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: I eat a lot, believe it or not. I'm a glutton.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: I have a problem. Like I can't stop eating. I
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: just burn it off, luckily. But I get to points
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: where I don't. I get to points where I start
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: getting a belly.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: And I start getting fat on the sides. And I
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: look at myself in the mirror. I'm like, oh, you
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: look like shit, dude. It's time to like. button down
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: the hatches i get to points i've had some points
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: where i got pretty like but right before i did
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: the carnivore diet the first time i got pretty heavy
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: i got like i think it was like 208 or
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: 209 which for me is a lot what do you
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: what are you normal run at right now i'm 200
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: which is good that's is that like that's normal 200
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 2: pounds is normal when i get above like 205 i
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 2: start getting a little nervous that's what.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: I'm getting you notice that much of a change yeah Oh, boy.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you notice a change. I notice a change in
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: how I feel. I feel like I'm carrying around extra weight.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: And I also just feel like shit. It just feels good.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: But I'm a glutton, man. When I sit down to eat,
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: I just can't stop eating. I eat so much. I'll
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: eat like two entrees. Like, I'll have, like, two steaks.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: I'll have a steak. I'll have a big plate of pasta.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: I'll eat a bunch of appetizers. Like, if I go
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: out to dinner with friends, I eat, like, a pig. Oh,
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: that's nice. I eat so much, especially if it's Italian food. Oh,
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: my God. I'm a glutton.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: I'll eat pizza and pasta. And then I'm just like, oh.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: My stomach is literally, like, stretched to the boundaries. Like, oh.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 2: Then I'll sit there like a. A bear that's been
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 2: shot with a tranquilizer dart.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: That's me. That's actually me like almost every day.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: I just have self-control other times. And then I don't,
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: you know, I do a lot of intermittent fasting. Or
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: like if I eat at 7 p.m. at night, I
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: literally won't have any food at all until maybe one
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: in the afternoon the next day. And then I'll work out.
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: I'll do all this different stuff. And then I'll eat
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: something before I go and do a podcast.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: And I do that all the time. So my body
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: has these long stretches where it's allowed to digest all
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: the food. But in the past, like there's been moments
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: in the past where I haven't done that. I'll eat
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: late night snacks. I'll get up in the morning.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: I have a big breakfast and I have a big lunch.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: And then it starts getting away from me. Yeah. So
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: I've gotten a little bit better with it just, you know,
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: over time. But mine is just very wave, you know,
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: up and down, up and down. Right now I'm on
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: an up. But an up in weight, not in goodness.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I'm really going. Do you make corrections when
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: you feel like you're going in a bad direction?
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: So then I'm like, oh, let's add some salads into
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: this thing. And then I start doing that for a little.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: And then there's the down. That's where I, you know,
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: lose a little bit of weight. My weight goes down.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 1: But then I'm like, eh, but this kind of sucks.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: So then I go right back up. So it really
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: always sucks. I think it's just always either like it sucks,
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: but I'm feeling healthier or sucks, but I'm feeling better.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: I'm eating good.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: Do you think you'd ever get to a point where
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: you'd hire a trainer?
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: God, that just feels real dumb. Does it? I mean,
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: a little bit, but I can't be motivated by other people.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: Well, you don't have to be motivated by other people,
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: but the other people can like take you through a
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: routine where you don't have to think.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Okay. So not like a boot camp type thing. No.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: Not like Celebrity Fit Club. No, no, no, no. Oh, okay.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: Because I would not respond to that. No, no, no.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: I mean like, you know, you have a scheduled meeting
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: where you meet a guy at like 10 a.m. someplace
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 2: and you work out for an hour three times a week.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: So like a dietician, like almost like what you do
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: when you meet with a dietician. Sort of, but a
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 2: trainer would be like someone who like can– They say, okay,
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: what are your goals? What are you trying to accomplish? Okay,
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: I'm going to help you do that. And there's people
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: that are really good at that. There's a lot of
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: jerk-off trainers that are just assholes that just got a
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: job at the gym and most of the time they
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: don't even know what they're doing.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people like that. I've met them.
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: But then there's also people that are like really good
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: at their job and take it very seriously and really
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: like helping people and getting people on the right track
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: and recognizing that there's this moment where people start to
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: feel better and recognize like, oh, this thing– Like my
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: friend Jelly Roll. Jelly Roll is a great example. Jelly
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: Roll was 500 pounds. He's lost 300 pounds. I mean,
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: that is insane. And he was a big excess guy.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 2: He was drinking and eating and, you know, just off
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: the rails. Now he's running every day. And now he exercises.
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: And I was just with him in Utah. We went
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: on an elk hunt together. And this guy's hunting. He's
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: going up mountains and shit. He's, like, super healthy now.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: And, I mean, he's like, I've never felt better in
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: my life. Like, I feel so fucking good. It's like
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: I can't believe it took me so long to get
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: on this path.
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: See, I would do something like that, I think. Like
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: a trainer actually, you know, sitting down with you. With him,
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: it just started with walking. Well, that's the thing. So
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: I did buy a treadmill, which has now become a
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 1: clothes rack. But I did buy a treadmill. And I was, like,
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: walking around. I was like, oh, look at me. I'm
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: like you, making a difference. And then, you know, my
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: heart started going a little fast and I was breathing
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: a little heavy. But it was, you know, just because
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: it had been like 30 minutes on the treadmill. And
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: then I got afraid that I couldn't catch my breath
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 1: and I had a panic attack. And I was like, oh,
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: this isn't good. And then every time I got on it,
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: I immediately was like, oh, this isn't good. My breath,
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: I'm out of breath, which it was fine. I mean,
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: I was breathing fine. It's just psychological. It's all in
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: my head. I have massive, like, panic. Which is all,
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: you know, from all, you know, the anxiety. Right. Like,
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: I'm sure if one thing got corrected, the other would correct. 100%.
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 2: I like you. You're a really good guy. I want
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: you to be better. I want you to be healthier.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm pursuing this line of discussion.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's an interventionist. No, not really. But you know what?
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: One thing that would really help?
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: Huh?
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 2: Uh, putting your treadmill in front of a television and
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: watching a movie.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's what I was doing. Well, that's a
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: great way to do it. Yeah. I was watching like
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings. Cause I was like, I want
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: to do the walk to Mordor thing. You know, it's
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 1: a little nerdy, but I love Lord of the Rings.
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: And I was like, and that's walking. Like I can
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: walk too. Yeah. And so I was doing that, but
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: then I was like doing some incline. Cause I was like, Hey,
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: I'm really going to test myself here. Probably shouldn't have
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 1: done that. Start slow. I didn't start as slow as
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: I should have.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, This is one of the things that we've
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: done these comedian workouts. I bring comics in and we
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: have a gym next door.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: And the first thing I tell them before we do it,
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: I go, you are not going to get exhausted. You're
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: not going to get exhausted and I'm not going to
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: push you.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: What we're going to do is we're just going to
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: do a series of movements, very gradually build your body
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: up to the point where you can start doing more.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's the way to do it.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: The way to do it is not like kick your
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: ass the first day where you wake up and you're like,
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 2: oh fuck, you're sore, getting out of bed, fuck all that.
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: You need to build up.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: Like if you try to do what I do, like
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: for the first day, it would be terrible for you.
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: But you could do what I do eventually and be
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: just like me, where I was like, I came here today,
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 2: I feel fine, I feel great. But that's the thing.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: It's like you have to get your body to a
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: resilience point. You got to build it up. But I
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: think you should build it up slowly. And one of
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: the best ways to do it is to do cardio
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: where you're watching a good movie. Because you just get
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: captivated by the movie. You know, you're on a fucking
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: elliptical machine just watching a movie. That's why I watched
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: John Wick so many times.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: It started during Sober October. Right.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: I was just thinking about this fucking revenge movie. It
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: just keeps you going. Or anything that captivates your attention
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: span takes your mind off of the fact that you're
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: breathing a little heavy. And you're not even breathing really heavy.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: No, and even whenever I had the full freak out,
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: I was... I was fine. And even after it was done,
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck were you freaking out about? Yeah.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: But then it just sticks in my head. Like it
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: always just, I don't know. Well, you have an interesting head.
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: You know, the way your mind works, the way you're
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: interested in all these different things, that also could like
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: turn against you.
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 1: Boy, does it. Yeah.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: It's why I've slept with the TV on since I
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: was three years old. Have you really? Yeah. I can't.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 1: To this day, sleep with the TV on? Sleep with
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 1: the TV on. It has to. Wow. Yeah. I can't
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: be alone with my thoughts.
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 4: Ever.
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: Ever. It's too much. That's interesting. Yeah, it's like... You never, like,
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: meditate or anything like that? I've tried, and, like, I
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: can do it. Like, I can, you know, not try
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 1: to have zero thoughts, but just let the thought come,
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: let the thought go, you know, all that kind of stuff.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: But I don't feel any different afterwards. And I've done
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 1: it for, like, months at a time. Really? Yeah, it
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: just does nothing. I just... No, I just try to
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 1: like suffocate it. I just try to suffocate the voices,
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: you know, not voices, but like the thoughts. Yeah. Just
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: with distractions.
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's one of the interesting things about people.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: One of the things that I really love about doing
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: this podcast is I get to talk to so many.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: Different kinds of people.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 2: And, you know, there's a lot of narrow minded people
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: that think that everybody should live one way. Everybody should
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: think one way and behave one. This is the right way.
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's real. And I think there's a
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: lot of different, very interesting, creative people that their brains
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: work different than everybody else's. And that's a great thing.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: And your burden is that you can't be alone with
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 2: your thoughts. But that's also why you produce so much
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: great content because you can't be alone with your thoughts.
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: So you're always engaging with stuff.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 1: I have to be distracted. So why not distract myself with.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: But it's also you're distracting yourself with stuff that's, I mean,
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: it's really because of all these facts and all this
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: information that you've acquired and all the stuff that you've
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 2: put out there in the world, you've like changed a
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: lot of people's perspective on things. You've given people a
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff to think about, you know, and that's
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: a great service.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: It really is. Yeah. You never really think about it.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: It's the opposite of Real Housewives, what you're doing.
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't go that far because it provides a service
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 1: for me. But, yeah, no, I guess I never really
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 1: think about it like that, that people really get anything
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: out of it.
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, dude, I get a lot out of your page.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm always sending you interesting information.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 1: I know. Which is fun because some of it's stuff
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: that I have heard about. I'm like, oh, I did
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 1: a video on that a long, long time ago. But
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of it isn't. It's like, holy, I never knew.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 1: Which that's one of my favorite start to a sentence is,
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: did you know? Like when someone comes up to me
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: and says, hey, did you know? I'm immediately like, oh,
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: come on, come on. And there's times where like, oh,
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: I already knew it. But it's like, oh, well, that's cool.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: That's cool. You knew it. But whenever they follow that
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 1: up with like something I didn't know. Oh, man. That's
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: like one of my favorite feelings in the world. Me too.
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: Is learning something that I didn't know. Yeah.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: Especially something really wild and cool.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: Yes. Like, whoa. Especially if it's about somebody that is like.
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 1: You're like, well, how do people not know that side
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: of that person?
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: And some of it's not even cool. Like the Henry
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: Ford shit. Like, I didn't know that.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, yeah. Whoa. Yeah, not cool like good.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: No, I know what I mean. But it's interesting to
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: know that there's, you know, some of our most celebrated
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: people are monsters.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 1: We have like Gandhi, Mother Teresa.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: You know, Henry Ford, Cesar Chavez. You know, I think
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: most of those people were complete scumbags. I mean, some
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: of them did some good stuff. I mean, I would
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 1: argue Mother Teresa never did anything good. But, I mean, Gandhi,
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: you know. Was Mother Teresa that bad? Real bad.
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 2: What was Mother Teresa's deal?
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 1: So Mother Teresa had a, you know, she would like
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: heal the sick and all that BS. But she basically
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: just had a giant concrete storage room that she would
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: put sick people in and donate and give all the
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: money that was being donated to her to the Vatican.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: Not use it to treat any of them.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: Because she believed that like suffering brought you closer to God.
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: So she would just walk up and down the rows
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: of sick, dying people. Like, look how close to God
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 1: I am. She's a scum, a horrible person. Really? So
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 1: she could have helped them with medication? I mean, I
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: think they were giving them, like, you know, very basic things. But, like,
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: you know, they're sleeping on, like, concrete floors. Like, meanwhile,
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 1: she's getting millions donated. Like, Princess Diana, you know, is
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: giving all this money to Mother Teresa. And she's just
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 1: this frail old, you know, nun. So you're a nun
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 1: the wiser. But, yeah, she's just, like, funneling it right
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: up to the Vatican.
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: And was she portraying her role very differently than the
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 2: reality of it?
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the reason why she became, you know, Mother Teresa, like,
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: to everybody. It's this, like, sort of patron saint of,
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: you know, which I don't know what she is, the
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: saint of, if anything. But, like, to most people, in
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: most people's eyes, like, that's a good person. Like, oh,
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 1: you're just, like, you know, Mother Teresa is synonymous, like,
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: how Einstein is with being smart. Mother Teresa is with, like,
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 1: caring and kindness and, Yeah, virtue. And she was just
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 1: sending all the money to the Vatican. Yeah, the vast
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: majority of the Vatican and just having a, you know,
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 1: basically a torture chamber. You know, people were just suffering constantly.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: So you think you're going to go to Mother Teresa
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: and she's going to take care of you.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 1: Of course. And you just get locked in a basement. Yeah. Yeah,
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 1: you get locked in this giant concrete room with like
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 1: basically no windows, no sunlight getting in. And people just
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: having like whatever dysentery or, you know, whatever disease they have.
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 2: Just diarrhea all over your bed sheets and just slowly
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 2: slip away.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not good. It's like a frat house.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: The whole Vatican thing is so strange. That's one of
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: the places that when I went to, I was a
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 2: little weirded out. I was like, you guys have so
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 2: much money.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 1: A lot of money. There's billions of dollars in artwork there.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: You walk around, you're like, this is kind of crazy.
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 2: They have masterpieces just kind of stacked all over the place.
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 2: It's almost like they're hoarders for good art.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 1: It's– which, I mean, art is an embezzlement scheme anyways.
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: But most of it is. You think? Yeah.
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 2: You don't think Hunter Biden was getting paid all that
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: money because his art was amazing?
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 1: What are you trying to say? Well, I mean, who
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 1: am I to judge the talent level of an artist?
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: But– It is an interesting way to launder money, right?
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they do it. I mean, like, there's no... Like,
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 1: what's to make a painting, you know, like, $ 70 million,
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: and then one from an artist you've never heard of
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: sells for, like, $ 35 million?
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 2: Especially modern art, which is, like, very easy to make.
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck what anybody says. There's one
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 2: that sold... There's one that sold for, God, I want
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 2: to say it was, like, tens of millions of dollars.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: It might have been, like, $ 60 million. But it's basically, like,
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: a red stripe of paint, a black stripe of paint,
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: and a red stripe of paint. And it's famous. And
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: so there was this Christie's or Sotheby's, one of those auctions,
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 2: one of those. And this thing.
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: Got auctioned off for this fucking preposterous.
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 2: Amount of money. And you're like, what is happening here? Like,
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 2: is this a scheme? It's gotta be. How does this
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 2: represent such an insane amount of generational wealth? For just
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 2: this stupid painting that you could make in.
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: A couple of hours.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: Not even in a couple of hours.
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: An hour. Well, you just don't get it.
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: I'm stupid. I'm uncultured. It's amazing to me.
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 2: See if you can find that painting. It's really crazy.
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: When you see it, it's really crazy. You're like, okay,
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 2: this is– you're pissing– that's it.
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 1: That's it? That's it.
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 2: How much is that one, Jamie?
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 3: I'm afraid to tell you, I think.
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 1: That's amazing, though.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know what this one was. This is actually
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 3: on the top of the article.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 1: That's really beautiful.
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 2: That's the one I'm talking about.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Does that say $ 105 million? $ 110 million? No, no.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 1: It's different ones. Now it's on the list.
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 3: Let me find that picture on the list.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's that Jackson Pollock.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: That's it right there.
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 1: $ 186 million. So Mark Rothko is a pretty well-known artist.
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 1: Look at that.
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: That is $ 186 million.
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 1: Which is crazy because I think a lot of the
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 1: Rothko paintings are like that. And, yeah, he's like, oh, yeah,
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: I think there's the Jackson. Are those Pollux? 300 million.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 1: Look at this one. Yeah. Isn't that? 300 million.
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: Do you know about the whole CIA connection with modern art?
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 2: Do you know that?
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 1: With modern art? Oh, there's the Jackson Pollux. Do you
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: know that? Do you know the PSYOP?
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 1: With modern art? Yeah, you don't know. No, I don't know.
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: I'm so happy to tell you this.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 2: So the CIA, during the time of Jackson Pollock, which
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 2: is while we were in the middle of the Cold War,
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: the CIA started this thing for modern art to pump
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 2: up American art because we didn't have any art that
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 2: compared with the classics from Russia.
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 2: So, yes, there's a documented basis to CIA modern art PSYOP.
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: This is from Perplexity, our AI sponsor. The CIA secretly
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: supported the international promotion of American abstract expressionism during the
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 2: Cold War.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: So what actually happened?
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 2: In the 1950s, the CIA funded the Congress for Cultural Freedom,
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 2: a Paris-based organization that sponsored magazines, concerts, conferences, and exhibitions.
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 2: It presented itself as an independent cultural organization. Why? while
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 2: covertly advancing an anti-Soviet agenda. So American abstract expressionism, the
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 2: work of Jackson Pollock, Rothkow, Willem de Kooning, those guys
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 2: that we just saw fit the agenda. Its individuality and
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: experimentation could be presented as evidence of American intellectual freedom
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 2: in contrast to the ideological constraints associated with Soviet socialist realism.
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: The paintings didn't need to contain an explicit political message.
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 2: Their freedom of form was the message. So how the
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 2: PSYOP worked, indirect funding, money moved through cultural organizations and
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: intermediaries rather than appearing as overt CIA sponsorship. This is
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 2: described as a long leash approach. International exposure, exhibitions held,
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: established American paintings, prestige abroad. Historians have identified CIA backing
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 2: behind the new American painting, which toured Europe in 1958
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 2: to 1959. So all that art that you look at
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: and you go, this is fucking bullshit. How did this
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 2: become so famous and so valuable?
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: Right. Fucking CIA. That's so weird. I mean, it does
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: make perfect sense. Same people brought us MKUltra. Yeah.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: Like, they engineered so many very weird and twisted aspects
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 2: of our society.
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's all the connections, or what people think
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 1: of connections, you know, with, like, the music scene in
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 1: the 60s.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 2: Because, like, so many of them were— Strange times in
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 2: Laurel Canyon. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, Morrison's dad, Morrison's dad being.
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 2: He's an intelligence agent.
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: He was the Navy Admiral during the Gulf of Tonkin. Yeah.
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 1: He was, like, responsible for the Gulf of Tonkin. Yeah.
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 1: And Jim Morrison used to always, like, in interviews and
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 1: asked about his parents, he would just say they died
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 1: in a car wreck. Okay. Yeah, that was always his response.
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 1: They died in a car wreck. They hit a group
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 1: of Indians.
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 2: That's what he said?
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Is his dad still alive? Yeah, his parents are alive. Yeah,
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 1: alive and well. They were in one documentary about the
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 1: doors I watched. Like, they finally interviewed his dad and
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 1: asked him, like, what he thought about jim morrison it
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 1: was kind of weird but it was like back in
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 1: the maybe 80s or so.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 2: But yeah the thing is they were good they were
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 2: really good so the doors yes oh yeah the question
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: is like can you really engineer that kind of creativity
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 2: and talent.
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 1: Well that's what i that's where i get kind of
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 1: skeptical about that side of it is that yeah like
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 1: or were there a lot of military kids in that
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 1: area because it's where there's you know there's a lot
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 1: of military they you know military base in that area
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 1: And are there just naturally going to be a lot
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 1: of kids? And kids tend to rebel against their parents. Well,
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 1: if my parents are involved with the military, you know,
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 1: screw the military. I'm going to make, I'm going to
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 1: get involved with the group that doesn't like the military. Yes.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 1: And 90% of them go on to be, you know, teachers, lawyers, doctors,
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 1: whatever the hell. Yeah. And then there's like 10% who
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 1: just happen to be good musicians. Like how much of
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 1: that is like, yeah, is the CIA just plucking kids of,
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 1: you know, whatever.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 2: Well, people tend to definitely create Like a picture that
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 2: doesn't exist. They tend to draw lines and connect dots.
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: And we look for patterns that perhaps don't exist. But
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 2: it's because so many patterns do exist.
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: Well, and your brain's wired to look for patterns. Yeah.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 1: It's why you can convince somebody of fake memories. It's why, like.
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, people will give whole explanations for
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 1: an event that never occurred. But it's because they know
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 1: the beginning and end, so they have to be able
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 1: to connect that. Right. Because you have to have the pattern.
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, optical illusions, like when you see an optical illusion,
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 1: the reason why it's an illusion is because your brain
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 1: is trying in there somewhere to establish a pattern.
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 2: What was that one that we looked at the other day, Jamie,
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 2: where they look like two different colors until you– put
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 2: your fingers over the line in between them, and then
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 2: they all of a sudden become one color. It is
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 2: so weird.
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's so many of those. Yeah, there's some interesting
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 1: ones with that or, like, where you'll have, like, a
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 1: Coca-Cola can that looks red in the picture, but it's
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 1: actually all black and white. It's just because there's these
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 1: tiny green lines. Oh, yeah. Okay, I remember seeing this one. Yeah.
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 2: Like, that thing right there, make that large, please. That thing,
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 2: they're both the same color.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 2: And you don't realize it until you take your fingers
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: and cover the line. And then you go, what in
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 2: the fuck is that?
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 1: How is that possible? It's because of a, what do
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 1: they call it? Because of a, Jesus.
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 2: What is it called again, Jamie? What's that?
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 1: Corn sweet.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 3: It's called the corn sweet illusion.
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's nuts. That one's nuts.
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 2: Because you would swear to God that the lower one
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 2: is a lighter color than the upper one until you
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 2: block out that line in the center.
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 1: And you're just like. Oh, there's so many of those too.
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 1: Like there's something, they're just so, they're fascinating to me
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 1: of like how your brain can trick itself.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 2: It's just the whiteness of the top of the bottom one.
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 2: That makes it seem like it's a different color below it.
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 1: But that's because in patterns, that's how it would be.
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 1: Like in anywhere else in nature, something had that wide
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 1: of a top, then surely it must be a lighter color.
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 1: And the thing that's darker, like that dark would normally
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 1: be darker.
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 2: It's just weird that your brain fucks with you that much.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's trying its damnedest to, you know, get you
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 1: where it needs to be. Right. But, yeah, it'll definitely.
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 1: And I think that applies to, like, connecting these dots. Oh, yeah.
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 2: Like, Jim Morrison's dad was an announcer.
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 2: The CIA engineer, the hippie movement.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 2: Which I think there's some evidence that they probably were
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 2: involved in that as well. There's definitely some evidence that
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 2: they were involved in promoting hip-hop.
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, with the hippie movement, too,
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 1: there is evidence that they were, you know, helping to
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 1: stage protests and, like, organized protests. Yeah. even like Gloria
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 1: Steinem was working with the CIA at one point to
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 1: stage these things. So there's always been that version of it,
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 1: but then it's just whether or not all of it
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 1: is because of that. No.
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 2: I don't think you can engineer Hendrix.
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 1: No. Right? Because I've heard that argument. Hendrix wasn't even
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 1: an anti-war person. Hendrix didn't give a damn. He was
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 1: in the war. He was in Vietnam. Well, he had
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 1: songs that were anti-war.
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 1: It was not a song called Machine Gun. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 1: But I mean, as far as like outwardly, so not
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 1: necessarily the music, but like outwardly speaking against the war,
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 1: he was not necessarily one of the like, you know.
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 1: He spoke out against it on stage. Against the war? Yeah.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 1: I don't remember ever seeing him like actually speak out
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 1: like fully against the war. I thought he was.
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 2: He's speaking out against the war and against violence on
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 2: stage in the live version of Machine Gun.
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, maybe so. Yeah. Well, no, I think, no, it
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 1: was more like in his day-to-day life. Like, he used
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: to get really angry with people who would, like, criticize
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 1: the war if they, like, said certain, or, like, were critical,
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 1: not the war, but of, like, soldiers. I think he
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 1: used to get, like, really upset about that.
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, Jimi Hendrix expressed anti-war views through his music, especially
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 2: Machine Gun, but his politics were more complicated than a
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 2: simple lifelong pacifist label. Accounts of his early career describe
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 2: him as supporting U.S. involvement in Vietnam. Before his later
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 2: music became closely associated with opposition to war. Well, he
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 2: was a young man. I mean, he died and he's
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 2: only 27. Machine Gun is the clearest example. Released on
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 2: Band of Gypsies in 1970, it portrays the brutality of
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 2: war through lyrics and guitar sounds resembling gunfire. Fucking great song.
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 2: Explosions and cries. Hendrix dedicated it to people fighting in
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 2: Vietnam and Berkeley and within themselves. Connecting the battlefield violence
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 2: with conflict at home.
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 1: Fuck, that guy was good. Yeah. But even that's not
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 1: necessarily anti-war. Like, you know, depicting war isn't necessarily being anti.
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, now going on stage and saying like, you know,
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 1: anti-war things. But I think he was more like, I
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 1: know he got in a fight with, was it like
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 1: Pete Townsend or Mick Jagger? It was somebody because they
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 1: were criticizing like the troops who were in Vietnam. And
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 1: he was like, hey, hey, hey, like, hold on. Like,
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 1: I was a troop in Vietnam. Like, well, they're not
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 1: the problem. It's the, like, yeah, being against like the government. Yeah.
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 1: I'm sure. But. But like Jim Morrison wasn't like Anton Warwick.
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 1: He just liked to pull his dick out.
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 2: Chuck Lorre was here the other day and he told
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 2: us that he went to see Jim Morrison in concert.
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 2: He didn't even get through the first song and he
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 2: tried to pull his dick off and they came on
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 2: the stage with horseback to remove him.
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 1: A lot of horses. I mean he was just such a.
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 4: This is not the same fight you said, but this
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 4: is an interesting fight between Jimi Hendrix.
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 1: And Pete Townsend.
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 2: Backstage argument, not a documented fist fight. Jimi Hendrix and
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 2: Pete Townsend clashed at the Monterey Pop Festival June 18,
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 2: 1967 over who would perform first. Neither wanted to follow
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 2: the other's explosive stage act.
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 1: Read the quote.
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 2: It was just Jimi on a chair playing at me,
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 2: playing at me like, don't fuck with me, you little shit.
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 3: Just standing on a chair playing guitar at him.
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 2: That's what Townsend said Jimmy did.
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 1: Attacking him by his plate. Not only that, imagine him
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 1: playing in front of you going, I'm not following that.
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 3: That's when he set his guitar on fire.
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Townsend's... Oh, so it wasn't Townsend's guitar?
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 1: I've always heard that it was Townsend's guitar that he
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 1: was playing. I mean, it could have been.
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 3: They might have just left that fact out of this.
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, so they wanted to play first. So the Who
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 2: wanted to play first.
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they didn't want to follow Hendrix.
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Townsend smashed his guitar during their set, and Hendrix
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 2: later famously set his own guitar on fire.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow.
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some interesting stories like that, too, like with
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 1: Jerry Lee Lewis, you know. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. With
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 1: Chuck Berry lighting his piano on fire.
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 2: And said, following that motherfucker.
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 1: Amazing. I mean, he almost killed a couple people. May
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 1: or may not have killed a couple of his wives.
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 1: May or may not have. Seems like he probably might have.
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 1: Tried to kill Elvis. Did he try to kill Elvis? Yeah,
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 1: he showed up drunk as hell at Graceland and tried
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 1: ramming his car through the gates and stepped out waving
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 1: a gun in the air saying, I'm here to, like,
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 1: let's see who's the, or he said, like, let's see
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 1: who's the real king now. It was trying to kill him.
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 1: And Elvis, meanwhile, is inside watching him through the security camera,
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 1: you know, going like, oh, you got to get down here,
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 1: you know. And cops show up and Jerry Lee Lewis
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 1: gets back in his car with the window still up,
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 1: doesn't realize the windows are up, grabs a liquor bottle
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 1: and throws it at the cops and just shatters in
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 1: his car. Yeah, that guy was a loose fucking cannon. Yeah,
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 1: I'd say. Yeah. I mean, well, Jimmy Swaggart's cousin. That's right.
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 2: Did you make a video about that?
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think I made one about them being cousins,
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 1: but I made one about him being a lunatic.
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a legit lunatic.
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolute psychopath. Jimmy Swaggart's a lunatic. And their other
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 1: cousin was a... Like Mickey Gilley, I think, who's also
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 1: a very famous country singer. Wow. Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 1: Lee Lewis.
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting, like the preacher connection to entertainment.
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 1: Well, it's the same. It's one and the same. Yes.
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 1: Especially that type of preacher, like a televangelist. Oh, yeah,
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 1: there they are. Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Lee Lewis. Look
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 1: at them. They're both like psychos. Let me see that.
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 2: Close in on that picture again. They both look like
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 2: complete psychos. If I was alone in a room with
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 2: these guys and they were drinking, especially Swagger, I'd be like,
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 2: I got to get the fuck out of here.
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 1: Look at his eyes. Yeah.
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 2: He looks dangerous.
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 1: Yes. He looks like a fighter. Yeah.
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 2: He looks dangerous.
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Jerry Lee loses.
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 2: I have sinned. Remember that?
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 1: I have sinned. He got busted with hookers. Didn't he
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 1: get busted a second time?
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 2: I have sinned.
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was amazing. Didn't he get busted a second
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 1: time after that? I wanted to say he did, but
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 1: maybe not. You know, Kennison was a preacher too. Yeah.
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 1: Which there's, that's a perfect crossover too. Perfect. Just that
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 1: stage presence and. I mean, obviously that's a different kind
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 1: of stage presence. I'm sure you've been to church. Churches,
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 1: if someone's a good preacher, they're entertaining. Yes.
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 2: That's part of it.
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 1: Part of it is your charisma. Yeah, when I was
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 1: a kid, we went to this non-denominational church, and our
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 1: preacher was like, yeah, very captivating. Everybody loved him. He
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 1: was very friendly. And he was a good guy. I mean,
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 1: there was no dark side to him as far as
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 1: I know. But there's definitely ones that have a big
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 1: old dark side.
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 2: He was caught in a second prostitution scandal in California
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 2: in 1991.
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness.
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, you like what you like.
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 1: What was the first one?
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 2: What was the first one? 88 and then 91, three
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 2: years later, they had their eye on him.
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 1: I've sinned against you, my lord. Well, speaking of, what's-his-name
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 1: just died. Fun times. What's-his-name just died, old Jim Baker.
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 1: Did he? Yeah. Oh, that's right. Like a couple days ago. Oh,
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 1: that's right. And Timmy Faye died like a little while back,
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 1: but poor Jim. Rest in peace, I suppose. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 2: And who was the gal?
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 1: Timmy Faye.
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 2: No, the other gal that he had the affair with.
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, oh, um. Oh, boy. I always get the Clinton scandal.
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 1: She's very pretty. That one mixed up, like, names-wise. Jessica Hahn.
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 1: Jessica Hahn. That's it.
• 2:39:56
  Speaker 2: And Jessica Hahn went on to become Sam Kinison's girlfriend.
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, really? Yeah. I didn't know that. That's interesting. And
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 1: went on the Howard Stern Show and talked shit about
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 1: Sam Kinison. That's amazing. God, that's a good one. Yeah. Wow,
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 1: I did not know that. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah,
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 1: you should put a video. 100%. 100%. Yeah, I never
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 1: knew that one. Yeah, Jessica Hahn had a fling with
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 1: Sam Kinison. God. Yeah. Can you imagine? She was hot
• 2:40:25
  Speaker 1: back in the Dizzee.
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 2: See if there's a photo of Jessica Hahn with Sam Kinison.
• 2:40:28
  Speaker 1: Look at her. Dirty. My God. Dirty, hot, lots of makeup.
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 1: That's how I like them. Yeah, that's... Yeah. Oh, that's her.
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 1: Sam Kinison and Jessica Hahn. Oh, is that the Wild
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 1: Thing video? Remember when they did Wild Thing?
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Wild Thing.
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 1: That's her. I'm pretty sure that's her. Yep, that's her.
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 1: Go back to that last picture.
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 2: She's hot as fuck.
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 1: Super hot.
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 2: Woo! Jim Baker, let's go.
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Jim Baker. I mean, my God. Killing it.
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 1: How could you fucking be mad at him? I mean,
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 1: who wouldn't be tempted by that?
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 1: I have sinned. Oh, my God. I've sinned, my Lord.
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, it could be worse. It could be the
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 1: Hugh Grant situation, you know, with Devon. That was a
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 1: rough one. Like, he, you know, Jim Baker went the
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  Speaker 1: opposite way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was driving around getting street hookers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's what you want. You want somebody to cheat
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  Speaker 1: on somebody. Hot.
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  Speaker 5: Hot.
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  Speaker 1: Because then it's like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, hot, big eyes.
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  Speaker 1: Boy, what a good actor. They all kind of are.
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  Speaker 2: For me, he will be that photo with him and
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  Speaker 2: Jerry Lewis forever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The young man.
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  Speaker 2: You look in that young man's eyes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The darkness. Do you ever watch Great Balls of Fire? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Dennis Quaid. It's an Alan Baldwin, isn't it? It plays
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy Swagger. Oh, that's right. Yeah, and Dennis Quaid is
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  Speaker 1: Jerry Lewis. Dennis Quaid was awesome as Jerry Lewis. Jerry
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  Speaker 1: Lee Lewis. Oh, he's great. Here's him breaking away. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: look at that. Yeah, there they are. Wow. It's actually, like,
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  Speaker 1: perfect casting. Yeah. Like, Alec Baldwin is a good, a pretty, like,
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  Speaker 1: convincing Jimmy Swagger. I haven't seen that movie in a
• 2:42:06
  Speaker 1: long time. Oh, yeah, me either. There's Winona Ryder, too,
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  Speaker 1: I think, isn't it, that played the... Cousin that he married.
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  Speaker 1: She's the one that went crazy and started stealing things.
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  Speaker 1: That was odd.
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  Speaker 2: I think people just like the pressure of that kind
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  Speaker 2: of fame and that life.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 2: For a lot of people, it's just too much. They
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  Speaker 2: just go crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, they're all nuts. I mean, James Brown was a lunatic. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: James Brown was amazing. He tried to kill Joe Tex
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  Speaker 1: at a restaurant. I mean, at a club.
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  Speaker 2: He got in a shootout with the cops and a
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  Speaker 2: high-speed chase because someone was using his bathroom. Someone was
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 2: taking a shit in his personal bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: Which is actually understandable. Yeah. It was like across four states,
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  Speaker 1: wasn't it? Or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: They shot his tires out.
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  Speaker 1: Kept driving. One of my favorite videos ever is that
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  Speaker 1: news interview.
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  Speaker 2: CNN.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. It's like, we don't need to ask him.
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  Speaker 1: You're out on bail. I'm out of love. He just
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 1: keeps reciting his song lyrics. He's like, I feel good.
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  Speaker 1: Shooting erupts over James Brown's height. His height.
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  Speaker 2: Police in Atmore say a man shot his friend when
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 2: the two of them argued over James Brown's height.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, was it James Brown? I thought it was too.
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  Speaker 1: That's hilarious. The guy died.
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  Speaker 2: He got shot and killed.
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  Speaker 1: He was 73 years old.
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  Speaker 2: He got killed over an argument. It was unclear exactly
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  Speaker 2: how tall he was.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Cody. Listen, man. Thank you very much for
• 2:43:35
  Speaker 1: being here. Oh, absolutely. Always fun to talk to you.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me again. My pleasure.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, I love your page. Your book is
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  Speaker 2: Where Did That Come From? The Hidden History of Everyday
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  Speaker 2: Words and Phrases. cody tucker out now is there an
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  Speaker 2: audio version of this.
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  Speaker 1: No not yet but i am working on one i
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  Speaker 1: got um the person who did my like the graphics
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  Speaker 1: which i gotta give a shout carly uh amazing job
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  Speaker 1: with uh you know making it look uh Like an
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  Speaker 1: old school book. It does. Yeah, her husband's a comic,
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  Speaker 1: KP Burke, a great dude. He does a lot of
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  Speaker 1: like this kind of stuff, like the long form history stuff. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: so he's going to read it? No, no, no, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying like that's, hey, he just does that.
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  Speaker 1: He's a very interesting guy you should check out at
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  Speaker 1: some point. Does like really cool history, like long form videos.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, what is his, does he have a channel?
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  Speaker 1: What is it called? I don't know the channel. What's
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  Speaker 1: his name? KP Burke. He does stuff with like the SDR,
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 1: you know, like Ralph Sutton and like Jason Ellis and
• 2:44:25
  Speaker 1: like all those guys. Oh, okay. Yeah, good dude. But
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 1: his wife set everything up, and she's going to do, like,
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 1: the audio book and everything. Oh, dope. But are you
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  Speaker 1: going to read it? No, I'm going to read it. Okay, good. Beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: You got to read it. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, that would
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  Speaker 1: be very disappointing if you— No, I'm definitely going to
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  Speaker 1: read it. All right. Beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for being here, brother.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks, man. Thanks for having me. My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Bye.