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Housewives and Sex Lives with Heather Dubrow · Untraditionally Lala

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  Speaker 1: Hello, gorgeous. It's Lala Kent. Welcome to untraditionally, Laala. Hello,
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  Speaker 1: my love, it is Lala Kent. Welcome back to untraditionally, Lala.
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  Speaker 1: I am here with oh, one of my most favorite housewives,
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  Speaker 1: and I consider you a friend through the Bravo Universe.
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  Speaker 2: Christ Heather Debro or Heather Page Kent.
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  Speaker 3: Is I like to call you? Don't you love that
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  Speaker 3: we both have the last name of Kent Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Is that your real last name? And you're you were raised?
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  Speaker 2: You're Jewish?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: So is Kent a Jewish name?
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  Speaker 3: No? So the original name was Kestenbaum and then it
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  Speaker 3: was changed. But I am Kent Okay. So it's a
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  Speaker 3: made up name, but it's mine. I didn't make it up.
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  Speaker 3: But there was another Heather Kent in Saga and so
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  Speaker 3: you can't copy names. That's why when you see actors
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  Speaker 3: and they have similar names, but they put an initial
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  Speaker 3: in the middle or something. You can't have the same name.
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  Speaker 3: Every name in Screen Actors Guild has to be unique.
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  Speaker 3: Are you my middle name which I used to use
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  Speaker 3: in high school? Anyway, like Heather Page?
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  Speaker 2: Can it's a good name, it's a great name.
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  Speaker 3: I oh, No, I threatened Terry sometimes if we're arguing that,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to go back to it. What do you
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  Speaker 3: guys argue about? When I watch you on TV?
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is like the perfect this is the
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  Speaker 1: perfect couple from my perspective. And I grew up in
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  Speaker 1: like a very traditional household. My parents were married until
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  Speaker 1: the time my dad passed away.
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  Speaker 3: And now mine too.
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  Speaker 2: So you've seen was it a healthy relationship thing you saw?
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  Speaker 1: Not?
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 1: No, So when you met Terry, Like, how did you
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  Speaker 1: know that he was going to be the one that
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  Speaker 1: you were? Like, this is so real that I'm willing
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  Speaker 1: to sign a contract with you.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't and that I just think that's crazy. Like
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  Speaker 3: marriage is a leap of faith and you could do
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  Speaker 3: the best you can, but you don't know, no, and
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  Speaker 3: you are you going to grow together or are you
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  Speaker 3: going to grow apart? What's what challenges are you going
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  Speaker 3: to face in your life? You don't know. You can
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  Speaker 3: only do the best you can.
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  Speaker 2: When you're in an argument. Do you raise your voice
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  Speaker 2: ever at all?
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  Speaker 3: I'm not surprise. I don't know if that's surprising. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not a big yeller. Have I ever yelled? Yes? We
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  Speaker 3: don't The good news is we don't fight about real things, thankfully,
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  Speaker 3: we don't have these deep seated problems, or we don't
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  Speaker 3: fight about money, we don't fight about I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what else do people fight about. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't been in a relationship, or really.
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  Speaker 3: We don't have anything that's like this deep seated, terrible
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  Speaker 3: anything we fight about nonsense. But look, we've been together
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  Speaker 3: twenty nine years, a long time. It is a long time.
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  Speaker 3: It is a lifetime. And you have what I say
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  Speaker 3: is like you have good days, bad days, good years,
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  Speaker 3: bad years, which is true. But like I will tell you,
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  Speaker 3: for instance, and anyone that listens to our podcast between
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  Speaker 3: us knows this that we were sort of arguing for
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  Speaker 3: two weeks and it started I don't even remember what
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  Speaker 3: the original argument was about, but the argument was not
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  Speaker 3: good and it kept going and it just like we
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  Speaker 3: were irritating each other and he pissed me off, and
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  Speaker 3: then we were like, we don't silent treatment, right, but
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  Speaker 3: it was polite.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, for like two weeks.
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  Speaker 3: That's a long time. It was a long time. And
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  Speaker 3: we had to go to a wedding and we were
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  Speaker 3: away for the weekend and it was really and you
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  Speaker 3: know what sucks. He is my best friend. And so
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  Speaker 3: when I am pissed at him and I want to
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  Speaker 3: talk to someone about whatever it is, I'm annoyed that
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  Speaker 3: then I can't call him right how amazing though it's feeling.
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  Speaker 3: But I will tell you, so we we did make
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  Speaker 3: up and we got on the other side of it.
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  Speaker 3: And that was a very intense, drawn out, daytime, sober conversation.
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  Speaker 3: I like to say that, because never have important conversations
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  Speaker 3: when you're tired, when there's alcohol on board, you know,
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  Speaker 3: anything like that. Right. So, but here's the thing it was,
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  Speaker 3: it's so good now that I said to him the
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  Speaker 3: other day, I go, look, we had this bad weekend
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  Speaker 3: and then we have to go to this wedding and
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  Speaker 3: all these things go. I hated this, I hated that.
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  Speaker 3: I hated these two weeks. But I will tell you
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  Speaker 3: I'm okay with it because of where it brought us
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  Speaker 3: right now. Wow, And I totally mean that.
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  Speaker 1: Well I feel And again, I haven't been in a
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  Speaker 1: committed relationship in quite some time, and I can't even
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  Speaker 1: pinpoint like the last time I was in like a healthy,
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  Speaker 1: productive relationship. But I do know that when you have
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  Speaker 1: those arguments if you can learn something on the other side,
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  Speaker 1: then that is the key to longevity in the relationship
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  Speaker 1: when you be cause you have although you're in a
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  Speaker 1: traditional marriage and family unit, you have a very untraditional life.
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  Speaker 1: You have four children, which I cannot believe you told
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  Speaker 1: me not to have any more kids.
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  Speaker 2: Why did you say that?
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  Speaker 3: Why did you say that my kids are might listen, No,
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  Speaker 3: I mean I'm joking sort of. It's just it's a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Children are a lot of work, and raising them is challenging,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, they're different. I mean I started with
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  Speaker 3: twins and I had never even held a baby before,
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  Speaker 3: so two was like ten, right, And then I had
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  Speaker 3: a third, so I had three hundred three and that
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  Speaker 3: was insane. And then a surprise one four years after her.
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  Speaker 3: So I had four kids in seven years. It was
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  Speaker 3: just it was a lot. And also, you know who
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  Speaker 3: I was as a person while I'm raising these kids.
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  Speaker 3: And Terry and I were talking about this last night,
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  Speaker 3: but it was like, you know, my youngest Ace is
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  Speaker 3: seven years younger than the twins.
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  Speaker 1: So do you find that that's a ginormous gap or
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  Speaker 1: do they have things in common?
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  Speaker 2: You're noticing how they get older, They're close.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, And I told them when they were younger, because
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  Speaker 3: there are certain stages where it's like, oh, this is
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  Speaker 3: so frustrating. They're bigger, they don't want to do the
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  Speaker 3: little kid things anymore. The little kid wants to do
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  Speaker 3: the big kid things. That there's definitely some difficulties with that,
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  Speaker 3: but you get through it. But I told them this
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  Speaker 3: hasn't happened yet, But I said, when the last of
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  Speaker 3: you is twenty one, you're all the same age, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because you're all adults totally, so it will be fine.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean with four, not all of them get along.
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  Speaker 3: I grew up with one sister. It was just the
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  Speaker 3: two of us. We had to get along. Do you
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  Speaker 3: get along?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 3: We do, but it's like, you know, we alway said,
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't it be nice to have a conversational third, just
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  Speaker 3: someone like a mediator kind of or yeah, tiebreak or
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  Speaker 3: whatever it was. Yeah, but you know that wasn't in
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  Speaker 3: the cards for me. With four, they don't always get along,
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  Speaker 3: but like as they get older they do, Right, this
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  Speaker 3: is so great. So we have a group chat with
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  Speaker 3: the six of us and everyone sends pictures and you know,
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  Speaker 3: I just landed or let me show you the cat
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  Speaker 3: or you know, whatever it is, and it's really cute.
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  Speaker 3: I found out yesterday that my four kids have their
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  Speaker 3: own private group chat without us. That's amazing. I love it.
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  Speaker 2: I love that makes you.
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  Speaker 3: So happy because that is the goal is for them
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  Speaker 3: to have their own independent relationships outside of us totally.
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  Speaker 1: And that actually is one of my biggest fears in
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  Speaker 1: thinking that I want to expand further beyond just the
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  Speaker 1: two is you don't know, there's so many people. I know,
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  Speaker 1: I come from Utah, so big families are like a
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  Speaker 1: diamond doesn't and there's always one, two, three of the
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  Speaker 1: kids who are like, we don't speak to them, we
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  Speaker 1: don't acknowledge that they exist.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, that is my biggest fear.
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  Speaker 3: I know we have people in our family, not siblings
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  Speaker 3: but like cousins, right that not my generation, but like
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  Speaker 3: the parents that they stop talking to each other completely. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 3: it happens all the time. I cannot imagine I would
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  Speaker 3: tell you that. And you're such an involved mom. I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure you're the same way, but like you have to.
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  Speaker 3: You promote relationships between them. You create memories, right and
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  Speaker 3: you know, holidays and birthdays and it doesn't have to
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  Speaker 3: be you know, the over the top. That's not what
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  Speaker 3: I mean. I just mean, whatever your traditions are, totally
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  Speaker 3: do with your kids, and they carry that with them
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  Speaker 3: and it gives them a shared experience that no one
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  Speaker 3: else has right but them. And if you are communicative
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  Speaker 3: with them and you're open with them, they will always
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  Speaker 3: come back to you and always come back to each other.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with that, unless one's like a crazy asshole.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes rogue. You're like, where the fuck did
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  Speaker 1: this and come from? That can happen right because we
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  Speaker 1: have no control?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, don't you have assholes in your family?
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  Speaker 1: I don't talk to I mean I just talked to
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  Speaker 1: my immediate family. There you go like I've written off cousins,
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  Speaker 1: aunts and uncles.
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  Speaker 3: Why all when you got famous.
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  Speaker 1: No, they're the way that my dad was treated because
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  Speaker 1: he decided to not be a Mormon anymore, and he
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  Speaker 1: was looked at as the black sheep. And I just thought,
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  Speaker 1: I'm really funny about religion just due to where I
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  Speaker 1: come from and what I've seen. I'm raising my kids
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  Speaker 1: spiritual and introducing them to all sorts of religions and
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  Speaker 1: n higher power so that one day they can grow
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  Speaker 1: up and say this resonates with me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to take this on.
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  Speaker 1: What I saw was my dad, who left the church
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  Speaker 1: before I was even born. He was twenty two years old,
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  Speaker 1: met my mom and that he was just like the
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  Speaker 1: black sheep of the family. And I just thought how
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  Speaker 1: wild it was that we could preach you know, this,
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  Speaker 1: this arm that's off of Christianity with love and acceptance. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because my dad is choosing a different faith than you guys.
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  Speaker 2: It was a lot of battle.
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  Speaker 3: Life acceptance exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It's really the door out of the door. I just
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  Speaker 1: found that it didn't really make sense. So I only
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  Speaker 1: speak with my immediate family, my brother's, my mom. But
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you the untraditional aspect of your life.
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  Speaker 1: You have four kids, some of which identify with the
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  Speaker 1: queer community. When those conversations happened, was there anything that
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  Speaker 1: you experienced when you were growing up with your parents
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  Speaker 1: where you said, I'm not going to do that.
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  Speaker 3: This is how I'm going to rock it with my kid.
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  Speaker 3: You probably maybe had this experience because I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I know your dad had left the church, but I
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  Speaker 3: don't know how his upbringing affected his parenting style. But
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  Speaker 3: I grew up with very nineteen fifties parents, okay, and
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  Speaker 3: they talked about nothing. Everything was swept on the under
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  Speaker 3: the rug. My sister and I didn't know what a
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  Speaker 3: period was. I thought I was dying, I mean truly
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  Speaker 3: like crazy. And then even when I got it, you
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't let me wear tampons. I don't know why those
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  Speaker 3: were like taboo. I just steal them from my aunt's house.
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  Speaker 3: Swear to you, so crazy, and I thought it's so crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I am the polar opposite. I have Diary of the Mouth.
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  Speaker 3: I will tell you everything. I don't have any deep
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  Speaker 3: seated secrets, like I like to share information. I talk
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  Speaker 3: for a living, and that was never going to be
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  Speaker 3: in the cards for me. And I'm married to a
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  Speaker 3: doctor right who there is nothing taboo and everything is biology,
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  Speaker 3: right And so we never sat down and said we're
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  Speaker 3: going to raise orchids this. Yes, we never did that.
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  Speaker 3: We probably should have, but we didn't. And I just
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  Speaker 3: think that we're both of the minds that we've created
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  Speaker 3: this really open family. I mean, like even to the
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  Speaker 3: point where, okay, we're not like naked people. I don't
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  Speaker 3: to say, like we're walking around the house all naked
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  Speaker 3: in front of the kids all the time. But there
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  Speaker 3: was never like a weird don't come in right, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying totally that kind of attitude. It
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  Speaker 3: was always just everything has always been okay, and anything
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  Speaker 3: the children want to talk about it has always been okay.
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  Speaker 3: So there was never sort of a defining moment like
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  Speaker 3: we need to have a talk. It just it was.
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  Speaker 3: It was Yeah. And even though listen, they share a
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  Speaker 3: lot with fans, sometimes too much, too much, too much. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't really want to know everything.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, though, now that I'm a parent, I
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  Speaker 1: just think because my dad leaving the church, you would think,
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  Speaker 1: and my mom coming from a very Christian household and
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  Speaker 1: her being raised to sweep everything under the rug, what
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  Speaker 1: will the neighbors think?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we don't want to know, so let's just keep
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  Speaker 2: the pretty picture.
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  Speaker 1: I think when I entered the mix started having a voice,
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  Speaker 1: my mom was very thrown off by it. I think
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  Speaker 1: I broke the cycle. I think my brother broke the
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  Speaker 1: cycle of like, it's okay to talk about struggles, and
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  Speaker 1: it's okay for me to be on a reality show
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  Speaker 1: where I talk about some real shit, because what's the
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  Speaker 1: worst thing that's going to happen. Someone could relate to you.
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  Speaker 1: Someone might say you're fucked up.
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  Speaker 3: Oh big fucking deal. Wait, write I need to know
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  Speaker 3: this because when I joined Housewives, my family was so
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  Speaker 3: mean to me, really horrible.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, yours wasn't. They did not watch the show, which
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  Speaker 1: I was thrilled about. But like my mom and dad said,
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  Speaker 1: I don't need to watch the show because I know
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  Speaker 1: exactly who you are because you're like this at home.
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  Speaker 1: So you told you took your top off under a waterfall, excellent,
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  Speaker 1: You've done that with your friends many times.
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  Speaker 2: You were talking about blowjobs.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we've heard a lot about the blowjob and we
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  Speaker 1: don't really want to so I just everything like you.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like we were all walking around naked, but
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  Speaker 1: it was very much not.
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  Speaker 3: Like ah, close the door, like right, It.
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  Speaker 1: Was very much inside of the household, which later on
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  Speaker 1: I think I broke the cycle with my mom and
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  Speaker 1: her knowing like it's okay for people to know when
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  Speaker 1: we're struggling.
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  Speaker 3: My family's still not okay with it. That struggles. It's
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  Speaker 3: so weird, like God forbid someone needed to go to
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  Speaker 3: therapy or it was all very like yeah, no, you'll
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  Speaker 3: be fine.
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  Speaker 2: So do you worry, Like, so your dad passed away,
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  Speaker 2: I think a year before.
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  Speaker 1: My dad passed two years ago. Okay, so like twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 3: That's a not a math, Lola.
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  Speaker 2: I'm the worst at math. By the way, do you.
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  Speaker 1: Ever feel guilty discussing your upbringing?
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  Speaker 3: So this season on the show, I actually talk about
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  Speaker 3: my dad a little bit. Yeah, and you'll see I
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  Speaker 3: can't give it away. But in the upcoming episodes, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I have sort of a cathartic moment about my dad.
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  Speaker 3: So I never talked about it because first of all,
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  Speaker 3: I was ingrained to never talk about the family. God
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  Speaker 3: forbids someone would think anything was untoward or what the
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  Speaker 3: truth was or what I mean. Okay, who cares? But fine,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like you the same way. But it's not my
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  Speaker 3: story to tell. And I never wanted to be ungrateful
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  Speaker 3: to my dad, you know, because he may not have
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  Speaker 3: been like this warm fight. He wasn't terry right, but
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  Speaker 3: he did the best he could and he was from
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  Speaker 3: a different generation also, he was a product of his
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  Speaker 3: environment also, so I never wanted to do that. But
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  Speaker 3: like after he passed away, and I never even thought
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  Speaker 3: to consciously do it. But this season on the show
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  Speaker 3: it came up.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen the episode where you say that Tamra's outbursts
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  Speaker 1: remind you a lot of your dad. Yeah, was were
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  Speaker 1: you nervous to talk about that?
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  Speaker 2: Like ye admitting like my dad would have outbursts.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't nervous to talk about it for myself. I
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  Speaker 3: was nervous to talk about it for my mom. And
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  Speaker 3: so when I talk about him, and you'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 3: But I just don't ever want to do something to
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  Speaker 3: hurt her, right, and so I could be a lot
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  Speaker 3: more vocal about it, but I wouldn't do that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Like I can talk to you about this right now
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  Speaker 3: because she won't listen to your show.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's rude.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry she doesn't listen to mine. Just telling you
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  Speaker 3: she won't even see a Google alert or an article
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  Speaker 3: or anything. But like if it's I would hate to
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  Speaker 3: her for to see a headline that had my name
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  Speaker 3: in it that she would see or something. I just
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  Speaker 3: feel bad.
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  Speaker 2: I completely understood.
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  Speaker 3: Someday when she is not around, I can talk about
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  Speaker 3: a lot of things, but I still I think would
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  Speaker 3: be I don't know, more respectful because I know it
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  Speaker 3: would bother her so much because she is that way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the.
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  Speaker 3: Same with your kids. You're going to see because your
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  Speaker 3: kids are so young and they're on TV. But when
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  Speaker 3: they start to get older and you realize you can't
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  Speaker 3: tell their stories for them. It's cute when they're little,
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  Speaker 3: it's not a big deal, but once they start being
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  Speaker 3: vocal about things, you have to take a step back
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  Speaker 3: and go, Okay, well, how do I manage this?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Heather, You've just put another thing in
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: my mind to keep me up at night.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Oh No, I do relate because when I was writing
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: my book years ago, I was like, this is the
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: time to really talk about the things that I saw
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: in my household and the things that I wish my
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: parents would have navigated differently in front of us, which
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: was in two thousand and eight, the recession that hit
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: my dad was in real estate development, and it hit
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: him hard, and because of his financial choices, where we
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: went from living We did not live how you guys live,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: but we lived a beautiful life. We did not go without.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: And it went from we're not going without too, we
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: could lose the house, we may not be able to eat,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: and they're God for my mother, who was a working
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: woman from the time she could work, and she was
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: the plan B. And because I saw arguments that very
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: much had to do with money and frustration on my
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: mom's behalf, I go into situations very differently. I have
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: a very strange relationship with money. I am constantly thinking
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: about a plan B my house that I'm.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: A strange relationship. That's a smart relationship.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I started saying that I have a smart
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: relationship with money as well. I switched my mindset because
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is actually a good thing because we
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: don't know what tomorrow is going to bring.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I loved the idea of.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: When I bought my house Palm Springs, I was like,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: if we hit on hard times, I can rent this bad.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Bitch out, that's right, the adu in my backyard.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm buying this because if we hit
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: on hard times, we can rent this bitch out, or
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: we move back there and rent the big house out.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: So I'm just constantly thinking about the rainy day because
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: of my dad.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: But I had a tremendous amount of guilt putting that
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: in my book because I know it was a pride thing.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: For him, right, and he's supposed to keep the family together.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: And I could tell he wanted to shout on the
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: top of the roof that like he was struggling. But
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: my mom was of the nature of what will the
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: neighbors think.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Isn't this terrible? There was not to tell the details
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: of it, but my parents had a financial situation that
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: did not need to happen, but they were of the
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: what would the neighbors think. Can't discuss finances with people ever,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: And that was to their detriment and it took a
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: big financial hit. And Tyry and I are so the polarpposite.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: But because of my upbringing, Terry when we first got
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: together and he would talk about money and first I
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: thought it was like showy, braggy, right, and then you know,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: it's so uncouth to talk about money. How could you
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: do that? And then he would talk to his buddies
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: and I was like, that's crazy. You guys all talk
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: about your money and he goes yes, And then I realized, oh,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: dumb ass, Heather, Like, that's how you they this is
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: how they communicate, They learn from each other. What are
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: you doing with this? So you're converting it to a
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: roth Ira, you're doing this thing. Hey, my tax guy
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: told me that, oh great, and that is the best
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: thing ever. And the gatekeeping that people do with their wealth,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: with their skin and care, with their parenting, with all
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: the things right crazy to me. So we don't gatekeep it.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: It's good, thank God.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: By the way, the skincare thing is, I saw Megan
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Fox on some interview and she was gatekeeping one of
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: her something she did with her face, and I'm like,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: how could you do that to everybody?
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, here's my thing, here's my thing about facial stuff.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I just feel like, if you want to get work done,
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: go I have. I mean, it's awesome, it pays the mortgage,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: so get it all, get it all done. But I
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: don't think that people have to disclose everything. I don't
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: think it's fair to people. I think if you want
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: to go get your breast done, get your facelift, like,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: whatever it is you want to do, go do it.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: And if you want to tell people, fantastic, And if
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: you don't, that is your prerogative. But the only caveat
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: is do not go get that stuff done and then
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: tell me you drink water and get nine hours okay,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: because that kisses me off.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that pisses me off to that ain't true.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: But also if you go and you have, you know,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: a niptuck or an injection here there, and you look amazing,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: how are you.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Not gonna tell me? I want to go get that done?
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: I know, I don't know. I haven't had it done.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, I get needles and stuff, but don't.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: We all have. They're all tak It's so funny.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Fifty six.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I we're going to talk about peptides on because I
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts. But I have the hardest
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: time injecting my peptides.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I saw you with the peptides on social media.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: But the moment it's time for botox, I'm like anywhere
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: you want to put needles to the face, I don't care.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Well, did you did you talk about this? Did you
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: do IVF?
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I did not do IVF. So I conceived so sad,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: just the the scientific sexual way where it's like text
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: the doctor io yep I U, I stirrups, yeah, needle
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: instead of a dicky. You know, let me know in
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: two weeks if you're pregnant. And I was going to
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: do it a third time until you told me I
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: met with a psychic though, and he told me that
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have another baby, but with a man,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: and I just refuse.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: No, Heather, Heather, Just so you know, my first three
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: were IVF and the last one apparently was the penis,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: and apparently it was with Terry's and I'm telling you
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: it was a dry spell. I do not know. I
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: how that happened, I don't know.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: So you did IVF with the first three.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Had twins IVF. Those are the embryos. I got. That's
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: what we got, okay. And then I wanted the experience
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: of having just one, so he did IVF again. I
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: ended up with three embryos, put one in okay, got
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: cat okay. And then she had some issues talk about gatekeeping, parenting.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: She had some issues. At fifteen months, she wasn't crawling, walking, talking, nothing,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: And I took her to this neurologist and they said
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: she wouldn't have four words by the age of four.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: And she was a practic. It was so heart wrenching,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: and I she went she was in speech therapy, and
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: she was in physical therapy and all the things. She's
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: at Yale.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: By the way, that is incredible.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: He was wrong he was very he was very wrong.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: But she did need speech therapy, she needed a push
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: to get going. And she's a I mean a brilliant,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: well obvious and talented and sweet. She's like we call
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: her the good one. Yeah, there's always the one good one.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: She's really good. But because I was so scared, we
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: had two frozen embryos and I thought done not having
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: any more kids. We're very lucky, we have three healthy kids.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: And we started later anyway. I'm like, we're good, check
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: the box, no more kids. But I was infertile, so
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: that's why we did IVF right, So I was like,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: I wasn't really worried about it. And then I got pregnant. Wow, yeah,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: I was forty one.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: The higher power had a different plan for you.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Man. Try being forty one year old, pregnant, chasing three
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: little ones. I can't even imagine. Oh, it's exhausted.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I'm exhausted twenty four to seven, And I'm like, how
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: does one get unexhausted?
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: You don't, but it's a different kind of exhausted. You
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: go from that your kids are so little, it's physically
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: exhausting right up, and then they're sick and you chase them,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: and then you play a certain way and then you're
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: in the pool all the time, or you're on the
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: slide and you're instantly going. And then you add.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: The reality television aspect. Because I've been out of the
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: game for two years, I've been like strictly mom. And
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I have to say I loved it because, as you know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: it's such a fleeting time.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: It's a good break too.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: It's a great break.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: And I got to be at you did take a
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: break and you and I got to be at every
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: drop off and pickup and dance recital and it was
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: like mom time with the kids playing. I got to
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: experience that and it was wonderful. And now I'm juggling
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: trying to be a present mom then the mom guilt
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: on top of now filming a show again.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: And did you have that shock when you went.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Back to OC where it was like, oh, we're like,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: no one skipped a beat and we're thrown into the
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: lions den.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: The show had changed from it. I mean, well, first
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: of all, I was gone for four seasons, which equated
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: to five years because of the pandemic, and that had happened,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: so that kind of changed everything to you. Right, So
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: the world was a bit different. And when I left
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: the show. So I started the show when my youngest
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: child was nine months old and he's starting fifteen in December.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Is that crazy? So my kids were a little crazy.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: They were nine months old to seven and a half.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: So when I started and when I left five years later,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: do the math on that, they were still little. But
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: when I came back, they were now older, right, And
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: so it was like better and worse in a way
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: because everyone was in real school, which is a lot
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: easier because you can film a lot while they're at school,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: which is nice. Yeah, that is nice. Yeah, it was
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: very strange to come back. But I was still working
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: in between. I wasn't just home YouTube channel. I've had
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: a podcast for a decade, like Hustle. I was like
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: I was always and little guest stars here and there,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: stuff like that, scripted and know, writing books with Terry
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: and doing stuff like that.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I need a nap just thinking about all that stuff.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Yes, so you know we've done TV shows together and
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: what you know, I'm always doing something.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I know you are and it's amazing to watch. By
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: the way, I don't.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Feel guilty because here's the thing, you know this is
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: your path. And part of what's incredible about you is
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: how you are this single parent with these incredible kids
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: and you have a career and a podcast and you're
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: a book and the thing, and you hustle, you do
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: all these things and making it work. You are a
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: balancing Yet, yes, there is no perfect balance.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think so either there's not, there's And there
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: was a woman who said to me, and I passed
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: this along to all my other mom friends who are
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: feeling mom guilt. But I was saying to her that
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I was struggling with the mom guilt and you know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've been dropping the ball. And she
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: was like, they are going to be day is where
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: your kids are simply loved and fed, and that's a
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: win and fucking take it.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, and I would like it. Okay, you know what
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: all is good?
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Listen. The other day, Terry and I were going because
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: with four two, even with two, one one's up, one's down,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: one's sick, one's healthy, one's happy. One said like, there
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: are very rare moments where everyone's okay. And when I
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: tell you, I soak. I don't care if it's an hour,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: everyone's good.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: That hour.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: That's a win. I don't know from Terry.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Oh nudies.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: No, I never sent a nude in my life. By
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: the way, if you saw Terry's camera, but it's all nudes.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: This does nothing for me. It's funny. I did say
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: to him. I remember we first got together. I was like,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be okay, this is all real, you know,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: like I think I still am the only yes, good
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: for you. I think I'm the only plastic surgeon's wife
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: with real boobs. Oh yeah, it's possible. But anyway, I'm
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: just saying like, yeah, I don't know that nudes would
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: do it for him. He likes silly stuff.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, so like what is silly?
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: What would you send Terry if you guys hadn't seen
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: each other he was like out of town for a
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: weekend or whatever.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Well, I would probably make noise. We make noises to
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: each other, and they're like mating sounds. I don't know,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: like he could like if if we're if we are,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: if we're like at a restaurant, right and we both
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: go to the restroom and he's waiting for you outside
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: of goh nuh, and I'll go, oh no, it's like
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: we call each other that's so fucking cute. We're so
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: ridiculous and we've been together so long that we have
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: so many private jokes together. Our kids, I mean they
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: laugh and they roll their eyes at us, but we
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: have like he could say one word to me in
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: a crack up like we're just stupid stuff. I mean.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: But that's not to say we don't have a great
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: sex life. We have a great sex life.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you, as a woman who's been married
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: for twenty nine years, what is a great sex life? Like?
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: How many times a week?
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: What can? It? Depends? It depends, Yeah, okay, depends this
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: week not to be TMI a lot. Good for you
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: because we were fighting so we just made up. So
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: we're like and we're in a good spot right now,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: and then we're going to be in the Bahamas next week.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: That's gonna be like hotel sex for us. Game on.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Do you still put it in the mouth sometimes?
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Good for you? Yeah, But he's a reverse cowgirl kind
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: of guy, yes, yeah, of course he is. Yeah, but
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: like we're still like interested and interesting and you know,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: bring things in the bedroom and have like toys.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, can I tell you my favorite toy is the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: vibrator that goes in the underwear and then the.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Guy gets to hold the little clicker. So wherever you
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: are in the party and you're like.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: I've seen that. That is not us. That do Harry?
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I think it's hot.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Terry's like not like he's very different. Once the bedroom
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: door is closed, Well it sounds like it he wants
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, we have a good time.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Ask towards the face. Does he do BBLS.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: No, he's against them. He thinks they should be completely outlawed.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: It's the most dangerous procedure. Okay, people die from it. Yeah,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: I want to.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I want to get into like the plastic surgery and
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: stuff on the bonus, But I just wanted to know
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: if he did BBLS. Is there has there ever been
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: a point in time where you and arrygo do we
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: do we do housewives anymore?
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Do we do the TV thing anymore?
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, definitely not do we do the TV thing anymore?
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: I mean we always have something in development, like literally
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: right now, Okay, there's a game show. There's a fun show.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Don't you think like the competition shows, it's a different level,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Like the stakes are higher in a different way.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, filmy.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Reality TV is tough.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: It's tough.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: They come in, you know, what have you been up to?
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, I know what we're doing.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: We're talking about our storyline and it's like, well, my
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: life's pretty peaceful right now, which I know you guys don't.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Want to DIY. Sorry, everything's okay. Maybe something tragical happened
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: in the next forty minutes. Yeah, no, it is. It's
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: a tough show to do. I mean, I'm not gonna
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: be at it forever obviously, but you know, I'm so
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: grateful for the platform. I really mean this that what
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: is important to me after having been such a piece
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: of pop culture, is that I wanted to live on appropriately.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Like I'm not of the mind like when I leave,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: I mean to burn the house down, you know. I'm
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: not like that. I'm like, hey, let's keep bringing on
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: interesting people and so it's gonna have a life. I
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: love that. Can I tell you.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I was in full panic in the bath last night
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and I was like, the Housewives, You're going to start
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: getting older and not want to do it?
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: What would happen? What will happen? What am I going
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: to watch?
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Because you all of us are going to get older
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: and I'm.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Already old, but there could you like, we love our house.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I have so much and I hate change, Like when
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: a new face appears, I'm like, I don't know about this.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. But that's why it's
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: got people have to come in slowly. But we've had
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: really great hires that have blended in really seamlessly. Yeah,
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: and that have longevity and I love that. Okay, So
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to seeing you know what happened because
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: next season for us is season twenty. It's amazing, which
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: is the first house I've season to go to. Twenty
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: obviously were the first sorts of you know, it's iconic,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: it's cool, and I think they have a lot of
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: fun stuff planned. So I'm excited for that.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, So we can expect because a lot of people
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: are wanting to see you on Beverly Hills and it
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: makes sense because you live here.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: But you know what, here's the thing about that, because yeah,
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: here's the thing about that. You know where I live
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: to Newport Beach is the same distance from Newport Beach
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: to Cota Dekaza, Right, So I mean.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: People, I really don't understand how the traffic works around here, right.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: So it's this, It's it's really if I lived in
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Laguna Miguel or Dana Point, it would take me the
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: same amount to get to to the coort to go
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: to someone's, but it would still be in Orange County
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: just because I'm over the county line. Whatever. They're my friends.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: I've been involved with the show for almost fifteen years,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: and I'm very happy where I am.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: You gotta be a part of twenty Yeah, But.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: The reason why I said that, honestly, I mean I
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: joked it was the commute, which partially is. But also,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: you know, we film in Orange Counties, so sometimes I
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: worry that there's a faction of my life that they
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: don't get to see, right, So that's a little bit
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: of a bummer. But I look, I'm very happy where
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I am, very grateful for all that. But as far
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: as doing reality TV, there's other things that I'm like
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: developing and working on the reality space. I do, but
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: not necessarily my story, right, pass it on and yeah,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: and also I like producing, so you know, I'm also
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: developing things that I don't have to be in.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: That's nice, which I love. Yeah, that's fun.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Takes the pressure off totally, and now you get to
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: be the guy that's like, you're really not bringing it.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: You need to share more.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: You the tears.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: We'd really like to see more tears from you.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, please? Did you hit the left eye?
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Did you like having Gretchen a part of the season?
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: It did? I mean, I'm not really sure from the
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: top that I realized how much it was going to
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: affect camera. Yeah. I stupidly thought that they would hit
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: the restart button, right because when I joined the show,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: and I said this on the after show, but when
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I joined Housewives, they became friends.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Right, So I know, was that the friendship bracelets giving?
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Season seven, like they were friends right, travel together,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: we had a lot of fun together. And then on
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Gretchen's last reunion, things didn't go that great, and so
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: you know, we had some issues, all of us, but
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: I didn't think it was insurmountable, right. And then I
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: don't know why their relationship went south over the last decade,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: but it did. Don't really know why that happened.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: So the podcast, man, Yeah, the podcast and everyone in
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: control and all the things, all of it.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: So I thought, you know what, maybe they'll she'll come
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: back on, they'll have a conversation and we'll move on,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: because no one wants to argue about stuff from fifteen
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: years ago.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: No, And it was a lot. It was a lot
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: on a pent up anger for fifteen years, happy for
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: her to come.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: And I thought, you know, it's interesting to see where
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: she is all these years later, and she still was
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: slated and she is like a five year old and
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: it's just fun. Yeah. I do you think she'll be back?
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Will they ask me back? Yes, I
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: mean I think.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: So, because you're a fucking icon. Well, thank you, we
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: love Heather Page Kent, thank you.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, the reunion was
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: a lot.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: You guys just filmed that. Have you recovered? Are you
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: exhausted mentally?
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Still? I'm still a little tired. But I thought it
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: was really good. The audience is going to really like it, Okay,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: a lot. It'll definitely be three parts. Well, good for
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: you guys.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Can you tell us where were you placed in the
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: middle of the couch.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: They put the seating up already?
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Oh did they? Where were you seated?
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: I was seated? It went Andy, Tamar, Gina, Me, Katie.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, Oh so Katie did come.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, great, and then it went Jen, Emily, Shannon Gretchen. Okay.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: I thought the seating was really good and I think
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: people will understand it when they see the reunion. And
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: I thought it was a really good reunion. Well.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: As a viewer, I'm excited.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: It's hard for me because I know how the sausage
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: is made, but I'm also enjoying it as just a viewer. Yeah,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I thought you guys crushed this season. I found it
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: to be amazing. Are you and Tamra are you guys good?
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: We're good.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: You guys have a really sweet friendship.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: We have been friends a very long time. You know
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: what the hard part is. I can't stand when people
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: are like, what if she have on you? Why are
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: you always sticking up? Or it's like, dude, when you
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: are in a room and everyone is against one person,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: isn't it nice that you're the friend that tried Hey,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: maybe let's look at the other side. Maybe. Isn't that
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: what you do for a friend? Yeah?
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: And you're just like amazing at being able to hold
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: her accountable and point out the things that she did
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: wrong while also maintaining that you're on her team.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: I tried you because my take home to a friend
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: is we are friends, and so that's the basis of
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: what we're doing here, right, And we can still have
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: an argument, and we can still you know, disagree and
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: all those things, but you got to remember we're friends. Yeah,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: So don't cross the line, don't get shitty. That's how
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: we have to work with each other.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: You have conquered the art of the way you speak.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I'd give a lot of money. Where'd you go to school?
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: I went to Syracuse. I was a musical theater major.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: We did I heard you? I w I heard you
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: quoted me at a reunion. Yes, I did.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: I did, And I wanted them to air it so badly.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: What'd you say?
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I said to Tom Sandoval, I said, in the words
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: of Heather Dubro, when everyone around you says you're dead,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: it's time to lie down. God bless Because he just
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: kept going. I was like, fuck it, we're all you're dead.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: We all agree.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Someone texted me and goes, oh my god, Lalla's quoting
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: you on set.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Well, because everything that comes out of your mouth is
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: just like dripping in just gold.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: And I just love everything you say.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: And you stay level headed, but you're so fucking interesting,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: whereas like I think I'm only interesting if I'm ripping
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: someone's head off. That is.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Ask. There's a reason your podcast does so well. Everyone
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: wants to hang out with you and hear you speak.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: But I have to ask you about the diamond. Oh,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: the diamond.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, this was my engagement ring and I popped out
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: the middle stone. I kept the setting in case Ocean
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: wants it one day, and I put on my neck
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: because it was just.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Sitting there so smart.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just how do you feel about lab diamonds.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I am of the mindset of whatever you want, that
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: is what you should go and get.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: If you don't care about the lab diamonds.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I don't want to get in trouble because if I
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: say I love diamonds, that mean I love blood diamonds.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really good point.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: It's a slippery slope, and that's why I prefer.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I have this conversation with every
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: someone people that I know that love jewelry. I ask
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: because I'm curious what people think, and I've spent so
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: much money on diamonds.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: We can't tell.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, it irritates me that you could get it
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: so much less and you can you can't tell. And
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: apparently the only machine you buy that can tell is
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: twenty thousand dollars, so no one has the machine. I know,
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: but I don't know. Am I too much of a
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: snob to do it? I know you I have a girlfriend.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: We can't tell you it is. But she's famous and wealthy.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: And you bought some lab diamonds and I was like, no, did.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: You did you see that?
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Yes? I did? Did you see them? I did? I
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: don't know, I mean, could I tell? But then I
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: think about this. Maybe it's the way they were set
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: because she didn't spend that much money on these. She
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: just bottom she was at a thing. So then I
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: was like, all right, well a lab diamond, all right?
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: So I heard someone say it's like flowers. Whether the
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: rose is grown in the wild or it's grown in
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: a hothouse, it's still a rose. That's true. Okay, So
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: if you're growing a diamond, it's still you have to
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: look at the I mean, they can't grow it perfect.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: It grows however, it grows, right, So there's still different qualities.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: But then it comes to the diamond cutter, right, because
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: there's an art arm to cutting a diamond for the
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: most brilliant and the most this and the most that,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: and the way you set it and the design of
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: the setting and all the things. So I mean, I
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: guess you could get a LAB diamond.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think you're sold on the lab diamonds, and
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think you should.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: I got this, like right under the wire, because if
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Terry had known that lab diamonds were a thing, he
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: never would have.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: It is so gorgeous.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I I cannot see that.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I put my initials diamonds on the side,
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: and then underneath are Terry's diamonds. And he says it's
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: because he's holding the weight of the diamond like that,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: and I go, no, it's because I like to be
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: on top. Oh my god, I fucking love you. Can
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: I ask you about your nails? Yes, that's what about
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: the nails? Okay? So I used to have square nails,
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: and then a couple of years ago my kids were like,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: you look old, you can't have square nails whatever, So
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I changed to this. So I've been wearing this very
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: similar to yours, and oval. I really like it. It elongates
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: the finger. I enjoy it. But lately I'm a pilates
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: girl now, and all of the plates girlies that are
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: all like you, young and fit and gorgeous, they all
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: have shorter, square nails. And I need to know, La, La,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: what is the thing it's.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Not happening for?
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, I like Heather, I have hands the size of
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neal. You joking, I cut these nails off. You're
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: gonna think that you're getting a hand job from a man.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Happening I love, And the only reason is be a
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: thing to make your nails suter you would think, you
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: would think.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Now, look at the size of my hands.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: You do have tons the veiggest very long fingers, but
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: that's very elegant though.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well my mom like their piano fingers.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: And the piano. The piano.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: No, but I have a gorgeous piano.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: So you and Terry have a new podcast because now
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: we're both a part of Bravo. We're both a part
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: of the iHeart Family, the Kent Sisters, the Kent I'm
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: loving all of this. It's called between us. You had
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: a podcast solo though first, right, for like a decade,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: for a decade, yes, So what is it like? Now
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: having your husband as your co host.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: You know it's We have written three books together, okay,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: we have done TV shows together, and I mean so
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: many things that you know. Some couple's golf, some have hobbies.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: We like to work, we like to make content. We've
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: had a skincare and supple bedline for eleven twelve years.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Feel free to send me some Oh do you want
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: to forgive me a link?
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: No? No, I'll buye.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not stingy Noppin either. I am a skinny.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Our skincare is great, it's all I use. It's really great.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: I have really sensitive skin. So anyway, but we have
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: done all these things together, and so we started doing
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: these tiktoks, which, according to my children, are very cringing,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: but we were getting millions and millions of hits on them.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: So after being so long with my podcast, I was
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: really just ready for something a little bit different, okay.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: And after the TikTok thing, I said to Terry, I go,
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: this is so crazy. Why don't why don't we just
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: do a podcast together? And he was like, oh, I
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: love this idea. Let's so so we've been doing it.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: It's been so good for us. But I will tell
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: you I will eventually probably do another one that's a
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: little more girl coded love it and probably be with
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: one or two I'm talking about it right now, but
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: probably with one or two other women, because I miss
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: the girl part of the conversation right and there is
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: such a big part, Like everyone loves being tear together
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: and they love the relationship stuff and the money talk
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: and the real love about money stuff, but all that stuff,
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: and I think it's such great conversation and it's stuff
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: that people haven't been privy to before with us, so
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: that's really fun. But I know also people are missing
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: that side of catching up about the kids and you know,
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: that kind of day to day stuff.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the stuff that you talk about with your girlfriends
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: that like bonds women. I love that.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Where can we listen to your podcasts? Yours and Terry's.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: It's called between us and it's anywhere you get your podcasts.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Let's do it on iHeart or anywhere you get them.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: I love it. What day is it air?
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Did you say Wednesday?
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on untraditionally La La.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thank you guys for listening.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I'm going to catch you on Monday for the bonus,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: and again next week.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Bye.