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Fraud Friday: Saints & Scammers: The Tammy Faye and Jim Bakker Story w/ Sarah Marshall · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: What's popping Congregation? Is your girl Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release
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  Speaker 2: older episodes from the scam Goddess Bault. That's right, Fraud
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  Speaker 2: Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes.
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  Speaker 1: From behind the paywall.
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  Speaker 2: Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always,
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  Speaker 2: stay scheming scam, come.
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  Speaker 1: Rob and froll scam, come rub. That's froll scam Goddess.
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  Speaker 1: What's popping Congregation? We're back in another joyous day that
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  Speaker 1: scams has made. How y'all doing? Come on, parasocial relationship?
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  Speaker 1: Oh good for y'all. Oh damn, I hate to hear that.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh you down basses? All right, well, hopefully it's all
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  Speaker 1: good news. While you talk to your headphone or your radio.
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  Speaker 1: Today we have guys. What am I excited? Yes, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I am. I'm very I'm very I know. I always
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  Speaker 1: like try to really amp it up each time, but
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  Speaker 1: I always love the guests that we get, and this
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  Speaker 1: is such a great guest. Huge get y'all already know
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  Speaker 1: the girl, but I'm still going to introduce her. Today
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  Speaker 1: we have the amazing journalist and podcast hosts on the show.
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  Speaker 1: She hosts the popular podcast You're Wrong About, where she
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  Speaker 1: does deep dives into events, people, or phenomenas that have
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  Speaker 1: been miscast in the public imagination. She also co hosts
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  Speaker 1: the You Are Good podcast alongside Alex Steed. Congregation Please
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  Speaker 1: welcome Sarah Marshall on the show You Won't be Forgetting This.
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Marshall, Honey, Sama, how are you hi?
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  Speaker 3: I'm so great. I feel like the people are really
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I can see the people that are
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  Speaker 3: listening to this right now. I normally can't see them,
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  Speaker 3: but I can see them. Hello.
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  Speaker 1: That's Howbaly scares them bastly. They don't want to be found.
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  Speaker 1: You look great.
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  Speaker 3: You look great?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you all look so good. Like I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: be like the trash Blues Clues, like I want to
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  Speaker 1: be Tabatha Brown, the criminal.
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  Speaker 3: That's what.
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  Speaker 1: I'll encourage you to be a worse self sis to be.
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  Speaker 1: But I always have to ask, Sarah, what's your relationship
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  Speaker 1: with scams? Have you been scammed? You like him, you
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  Speaker 1: hate him? It could be anything.
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  Speaker 3: I love this question. If I have been significantly scammed,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know about it. I feel as if I
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  Speaker 3: assume from living on the Internet the way a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people do, that we're all getting just a little
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  Speaker 3: bit scammed a couple times a year at this point.
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  Speaker 3: But that question made me think of how in the
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  Speaker 3: fall of twenty sixteen, I watched this ESPN documentary about
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  Speaker 3: this guy who fraugulently bought the New York Islanders. He
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  Speaker 3: made this fake paperwork that made it look like he
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  Speaker 3: had more money than he did. Love that, and so
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  Speaker 3: he illegally owned the Islanders, the hockey team, for like
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  Speaker 3: a few months, I think, and then it caught up
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  Speaker 3: with him and he went to federal prison. But a
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  Speaker 3: he did a better job of fake owning the Islanders
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  Speaker 3: than the recent actual owners had done. Like he kind
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  Speaker 3: of saved the team, right.
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  Speaker 1: Were the girls? Was the March sales up? Like? Were they?
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  Speaker 1: Isn't Island? Is that hockey?
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  Speaker 3: It's hockey?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were struggling, and he negotiated a good TV
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  Speaker 3: deal for them. And I remember at the time, you know,
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  Speaker 3: this is around when Trump is campaigning, and I was
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  Speaker 3: just like, hmm, I'm noticing that like, pretending to have
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  Speaker 3: money can achieve exactly the same results as actually having money,
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  Speaker 3: And that's very interesting, and I feel like i've maybe
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  Speaker 3: that was when I realized, and I think a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people realized that scams.
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  Speaker 2: Like.
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  Speaker 3: To know scams is to know America. So like, I'm
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  Speaker 3: an American, I love scams. I want to know them.
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  Speaker 1: We were born into scams, this whole country. Manifest Destiny
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  Speaker 1: is literally them be like Gods all us to rob everybody. No,
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  Speaker 1: he actually did. Just uh, I got a parchment paper
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  Speaker 1: from God. He said, Manifest Destiny. He said, let's rob everybody.
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  Speaker 3: It's the forged paperwork cloud. You can get the islanders,
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  Speaker 3: you can get a continent, whatever you want.
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  Speaker 1: I also love Manifest Destiny because it's not like they
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  Speaker 1: were like, oh, America's gonna be heart shaped, or like,
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  Speaker 1: oh there's like a vision. It's like, what the fuck
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  Speaker 1: does America even look like? It's all janky. You got
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  Speaker 1: Florida's little penis hanging off, like it's not even cute.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like they just lie. It's sole everything. It's
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  Speaker 1: not even like it made some beautiful circle or some
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  Speaker 1: kind of you know, symbolic shape.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's like when do you stay too long in
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  Speaker 3: the buffet and then you get back to the table
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  Speaker 3: and you're like this, these things, they took too much
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  Speaker 3: stuff and none of it goes together right, So.
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  Speaker 1: We all got to go to go to corral and
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  Speaker 1: manifest our destinies. I love that for us. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you know what's crazy about this hockey thing that you're
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  Speaker 1: telling me. I feel like, especially if the team was
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  Speaker 1: doing better, you know what I mean, like the hockey hockey,
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  Speaker 1: and the pucks are pucking. I don't know hockey. The
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  Speaker 1: dudes are fighting. You know it's a good fight happening,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they sliding around in their church shoes and
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  Speaker 1: beating each other with the sticks. If it's cute and
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  Speaker 1: they again ratings and they have a great TV deal.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it's more embarrassing to come out and
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  Speaker 1: be like, oh so we let this guy completely lie
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  Speaker 1: to us and own part of this hockey team. Like
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you just got to close the door
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  Speaker 1: and handle that one indoors.
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  Speaker 3: Like niel In style, Yes, Long Island style.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, y'all have a fisticuffs. You
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  Speaker 1: demote him, maybe he stays on in some kind of
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  Speaker 1: leadership position. Give the man a check. Obviously he was talented,
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  Speaker 1: he just had resources.
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  Speaker 3: So we made Waiting for the scorse asean movie about this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh goodness, the scores Acey movie will have tons
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  Speaker 1: of cocaine and women naked for no reason. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: raising somehow there would just be naked women skating on
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  Speaker 1: nights and it's like this on this never happened.
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  Speaker 3: There you go, Martie, you haven't done that yet as
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  Speaker 3: far as I know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, no, that's dope. I admire people who think of
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that. I mean, money's fake, it's all on paper,
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  Speaker 1: it's all you know what I mean, It's rarely tangible.
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  Speaker 1: So why not you know, not mad at it all. Well,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into our first segment here, what's hot and fraud.
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  Speaker 1: This is where we warn our listened to about popping
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  Speaker 1: scams on the street. As always, snitch on your friends
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  Speaker 1: and family. Just make sure your scam is retired and
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  Speaker 1: scam got his pott at gmail dot com. I just
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  Speaker 1: need a fake name for this person, Sarah. I don't
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  Speaker 1: care about Jenner.
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  Speaker 3: Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Felicity Porter, Oh Felicity love that. Oh poor Felicity. She
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  Speaker 1: got scammed out of an acting career. I wonder who
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  Speaker 1: that hairstot was to cut her hair because I feel
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  Speaker 1: like you got to go back into great Clips, Felicity
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  Speaker 1: and fight them.
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  Speaker 3: I need an oral history of that, because yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know where exactly the buck stops, but that I mean,
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  Speaker 3: talk about money lost.
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  Speaker 1: You should do that all you're wrong about because I.
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  Speaker 3: Think you're right and some people don't even know about that.
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  Speaker 3: And it was such a moment nineteen ninety nine, and
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  Speaker 3: like she.
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  Speaker 1: Could have just got a weave, Like why don't we
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  Speaker 1: just let Felicity get a weave? Everyone's like, no, bitch,
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  Speaker 1: we know right.
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  Speaker 3: They could have said it was a dream, but they
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  Speaker 3: know they kept going. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think they thought we would get over it, and
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  Speaker 1: we had just so little to focus on at that.
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  Speaker 3: America's all not over it.
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  Speaker 1: We aren't. We actually are still kind of mad. Like, Felicity,
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  Speaker 1: you drop your barber's address so we can fight them.
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  Speaker 1: We will fight them for you, girl, Okay, Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So Felicity says, I'm surprised no one has ever wrote
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  Speaker 1: in about this scheme, probably because they don't want to
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  Speaker 1: fuck up their bags. See, and I tell you I'll
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  Speaker 1: not to fucking bags up. But I'm not about that
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  Speaker 1: life anymore. So here goes. So you just gonn ruin
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  Speaker 1: it for everybody because you're not about that life no more.
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  Speaker 1: Felicity sounded just like the show. I worked as a
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  Speaker 1: pairalalegal in a big law firm. This isn't quotes AKA
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  Speaker 1: pays well, but they work you to death and expect
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  Speaker 1: money will solve any issue you have, including them treating
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  Speaker 1: you like dog shit. Ooh. I was working twelve to
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  Speaker 1: fourteen hour days and on weekends and holidays for the
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  Speaker 1: last three years there, Wow, twelve and fourteen hour days
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  Speaker 1: at law doing peralegal work. That just means you're just
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  Speaker 1: typing all day, right, like emailing typing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're being a little brand in a guitar for
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  Speaker 3: like five percent of that I thought.
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  Speaker 1: Filing use the sticky notes. That sounds terrible. So she's
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  Speaker 1: working these really long hours, twelve to fourteen hours a
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  Speaker 1: day and on weekends and on holidays, damn, says I'm
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  Speaker 1: so sorry. The ball was dropping and you was in
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  Speaker 1: your office like oh lie and just hyping away.
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  Speaker 3: That's so unfortunate pain and to her own slipper.
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  Speaker 1: Oh tragic. So the firm had a policy that if
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  Speaker 1: you worked past seven pm or before seven am, they
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  Speaker 1: would reimburse the cost of a taxi and by the way,
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  Speaker 1: the firm made like four billion dollars in one year,
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  Speaker 1: but they can't give Okay, this person is definitely be like,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, the firm made four billion dollars one year,
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  Speaker 1: but they can't give a hole a firm credit card.
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  Speaker 1: So basically she's like, y'all made all this money, Like
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  Speaker 1: why do I have to write these invoices to get
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  Speaker 1: these cars? Like this is disrespect football. So I worked
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  Speaker 1: past seven pm every day, so eventually I came up
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  Speaker 1: with a way to get some extra coin. I would
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  Speaker 1: pay for the taxis and cash and ask for a
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  Speaker 1: paper receipt from the driver. The receipts were blank, so
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  Speaker 1: you could put in any fair or tip that you wanted,
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  Speaker 1: and sometimes the drivers would just give me a stack
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  Speaker 1: of a blank proceeeds. I'm know, that's right. They better
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  Speaker 1: help you do crime. Yeah, this has made me feel
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  Speaker 1: better about New York taxi drivers because I used to
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  Speaker 1: be beefing with them, like when Uber, you know, wipe
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  Speaker 1: them off the face of the earth. Practically everybody was like,
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  Speaker 1: this is so sad. These people have medallions, They spend
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  Speaker 1: millions of dollars, They worked their whole life for these caves.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, fuck them, calves. I'm black and I
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  Speaker 1: don't been hit by so many cars, and they were
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  Speaker 1: all calves. I've been hit by several cabs.
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  Speaker 3: And then if they were deeming themselves maybe a tiny
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  Speaker 3: little bit, right.
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  Speaker 1: This is making me feel better about them, because I
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  Speaker 1: was beefing with the whole cab industry for a long
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  Speaker 1: time because they didn't want to pick me up because
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  Speaker 1: I was black. They also didn't want to pick me
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  Speaker 1: up because I was going to Brooklyn, probably more of
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  Speaker 1: the Brooklyn thing than the black thing. I won't lie.
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  Speaker 3: You know, making money, I guess, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You used to have the trick cab drivers. Sometimes I
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  Speaker 1: have a white friends hailed a cab and then I
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  Speaker 1: get in and be like, gotcha, bitch.
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  Speaker 3: Like so.
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  Speaker 1: You know, taxis okay, y'all are making a cuter name
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  Speaker 1: for yourselves. So it was pretty easy to get home
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  Speaker 1: on public transit. So I would leave at seven pm,
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  Speaker 1: take the train, and pocket the money for the taxi home.
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  Speaker 1: Or when I needed more receipts, I would take a
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  Speaker 1: taxi and then when I submitted the receipt, I would
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  Speaker 1: add a few more dollars to the seat. I would
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  Speaker 1: say over three years, I probably pocketed around six thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: She said, in that same amount of time did probably
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  Speaker 1: three million dollars worth of work that that firm got
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  Speaker 1: paid for. Plus lawyers are a scam anyway, So I
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  Speaker 1: don't feel too bad as a woman of color who
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  Speaker 1: faced constant microaggressions for a bunch of rich white men
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  Speaker 1: and the firm defense the corporations and exploit the environment.
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  Speaker 1: She was like, basically like, y'all evil, fuck y'all. If listening,
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  Speaker 1: you're right, Like, I'm glad that you got your little
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  Speaker 1: scam off. It was a scam that they were working
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  Speaker 1: you so damn hard in the first place. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: glad you got your coins one way or the other.
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  Speaker 1: Six grand like an extra bonus. That's not bad. Three
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  Speaker 1: years So, Felicity, I feel like you should have ran
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  Speaker 1: a bag up a little more. Like you're like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this taxi was four hundred dollars. Where did you go? Connecticut?
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  Speaker 3: Had to curryer, some paperworkover had to be done.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Where did you tell them you lived? I feel
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  Speaker 1: like you told me you lived too close. I'd be like, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I livelers.
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  Speaker 3: Feels like you're you're you know, you're trying not to
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  Speaker 3: be too extravagant with it. Yeah, get caught, But also
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  Speaker 3: you've got a nice that's I mean, that's that's scam university.
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  Speaker 3: That's a whole you know, that's long enough to get
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  Speaker 3: a degree in scam. And I I mean, I think
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  Speaker 3: that if you are working for a company that's making
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  Speaker 3: this much money and that's exploiting you as a worker,
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  Speaker 3: than they are pardon the expression, asking for it right,
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  Speaker 3: And I know.
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  Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with you. Also love scam university. I
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  Speaker 1: am stealing that from you. It is now my intellectual property.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody remember that different Remember.
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  Speaker 3: How I had that money? Yeah, I've said.
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  Speaker 1: It purchased this there, Marina, will you edit this, make
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  Speaker 1: sure there's back so that I could steal that. No,
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  Speaker 1: but you're absolutely right. It's kind of like the system
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  Speaker 1: is a scam. You know, we got to get over
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  Speaker 1: when we can. And also, I gotta say you're a
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  Speaker 1: great scammer, Felicity, because you didn't get greedy, you didn't
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  Speaker 1: get caught, and then you left. Now I would have
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  Speaker 1: gotten a little greedier. I definitely would have told him
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  Speaker 1: I live in Florida and I need to realize I
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  Speaker 1: need to ride home every night from New York to Florida.
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  Speaker 3: I us for Thanksgiving a couple of times fristill three
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  Speaker 3: days on traffic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I yeah, I've been commuting every day.
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  Speaker 3: And also like this is I mean, this makes me
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  Speaker 3: think of how in all the great scam movies, which
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  Speaker 3: Againner you know a lot of them, Vicecorysey, it's always
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  Speaker 3: this arc of like we got good at what we
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  Speaker 3: were doing, but we got too greedy and we rose
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  Speaker 3: and then we fell. And I feel like there's all
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  Speaker 3: kinds of quieter scams being committed all over the world
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  Speaker 3: that are just gonna ride it out peaceful because nobody's
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  Speaker 3: thinking too big, right, It's really beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: It's the same thing that I always think, this is
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  Speaker 1: kind of dark, which is not what we normally do
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  Speaker 1: on this podcast. But I always think, like when I
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  Speaker 1: see those aged up photos of missing people from like
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  Speaker 1: the seventies and stuff, and they're like, he would be
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  Speaker 1: ninety two now, and we drew drew his face. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: when don't they stop drawing, like because I'm not on age.
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  Speaker 1: When it's like going missing at five, and they'll be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: he would be thirty or something. But what are they like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's just give up.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe they stop when they're like fifty, They're like, you
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  Speaker 3: know what, he's on his own. It's no no handholding
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  Speaker 3: in this country. Yeah, you can't go to the bathroom
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  Speaker 3: at Walmart without saying those And.
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  Speaker 1: Damn you can't even get Like back in the day,
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  Speaker 1: used to be able to get some good press if
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  Speaker 1: you were missing, like we would do retweets on Twitter.
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  Speaker 1: But back in the day, the girls will put you
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  Speaker 1: on the milk carts like you would be on board
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  Speaker 1: of farms, like you know. Nowadays, I can't imagine if
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  Speaker 1: I picked up like some oat milk and it was
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  Speaker 1: just like a LTT girl on the back, I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it sounds very fuck I heard.
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  Speaker 3: I think I remember that they stopped doing that because
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  Speaker 3: they were like, you know, the like positive outcomes didn't
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  Speaker 3: balance the fact that it was freaking out kids so much,
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  Speaker 3: so you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, freege.
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  Speaker 3: The real result was everyone got to be scared, which
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  Speaker 3: is how things go a lot here.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, we have the internet, so we can obviously
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  Speaker 1: all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Why own sorts thought to milk and we have a
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  Speaker 3: whole technology for it. Milk guts to be free from.
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  Speaker 1: That right fear right at your fingertips, all scared God,
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  Speaker 1: And it's time for my favorite part, historic Hoodwings. I
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  Speaker 1: am going to put a content warning on this episode
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: just to let you guys know. Content warning. There is
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: a mention of sexual assault in this story. Will flag
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  Speaker 1: when that exactly comes up for everyone. All right. So,
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  Speaker 1: from the mid nineteen seventies until the late nineteen eighties,
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  Speaker 1: televangelist power couple Tammy Fay and Jimmy Baker ran an
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  Speaker 1: empire with a massive audience. There I already know you
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  Speaker 1: know about this. So together they built their ministry, which
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  Speaker 1: grew from a puppet show to a satellite network. At
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  Speaker 1: one point, they even built the third most visited theme
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  Speaker 1: park in the United States. But with that much money involved,
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  Speaker 1: it couldn't last forever. So I love that they took
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  Speaker 1: a puppet show about Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. And then naturally, I mean, what naturally follows
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  Speaker 3: from that if not a theme park? The park, right, Like.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: I hope they had like Jesus theme rise, like I
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: want to get on the Barney Bush. That's bone.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: That sounds yeah, like an exciting rite, especially at the end. Yeah,
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: And the and the idea of recreating holy places that
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: they're gonna that it's both classic Americana and also a
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: recreation of Jerusalem for people in the Carolinas.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Like a long ride where they part in the receeat.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: See. I have no idea if they did that, but
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: they should have done that. They definitely had water park
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: type features like it. Just I feel like there's a
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: part of me that when I was younger and snobbier,
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: would have been like, Oh, that's just so tacky and terrible,
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: and part of me now is like, that's beautiful. That's
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: probably one of the better things they did, right.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: And look, I'm a boyear so I would go just
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: to see what they're doing. It's like, can I play
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: games in the arcade? It's like who's Mary's baby daddy?
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Like we don't know. It's like clothes I guess, like, like,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: what are ill doing over there? And I hope it's
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: all Jesus related because that would be very fun for me.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: I was really sad, actually, because for years I really
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: wanted to go to the Holy Land Experience, which is
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: a more recent Bible themed theme park in Orlando, and
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: I think they closed within the last couple of years,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: but they had guys playing Jesus and just walking around
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: doing Jesus stuff. And I'm so, I guess you could
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: still find these people and talk to them because there was,
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: you know, any kind of good looking young actor in Orlando.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: There's a good chance he played Jesus for a while.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: But like, what effect does that have on you as
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: a young performer?
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Rippling abs? I mean, Jesus is so sexy. Even that
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: was always something that weird to be out when I'm
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: not Catholic. I'm Baptists, so we have crosses, but we
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: don't have like crucifixes, like we don't have in our churches,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: like Jesus like laying up there with the loin cloth,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: with the rippling abs, right, And I'm like, why did
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: it make him so sexy? I mean, I guess we
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want worship him if he was like but I
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: feel like he's a little too horny to bus.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: To be a really great question. And why is it
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: also that he's sexy and in pain? And you could
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: potentially spend thousands of hours of your young life being like,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: look at that sexy in pain man, who's saving me
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: from sin?
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Right, it's like, why does he have a bulge? And
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: why are all the I was like cutely placed?
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Why is he always hot? Why does he always have
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: a hot face.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna end just like the thickest hair anyway before
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I go.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: To anyway, moving on from the that's.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Th She don't need to be sick. But it's okay,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: whatever works, guys. So about the Baker's Tammy Faye La
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Valley was born in International Falls, Minnesota in nineteen forty two.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Wow too, oh, nineteen forty two to Pentecostal preacher parents.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I think she was born in the forties. That just
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: feels wild.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Right, I mean so with Steepe Nicks. While we're on
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: the subject.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Oh and we got a picture of Tammy Tammy La
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Valley up right now. Okay, those eyebrows they're giving early
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: two thousands, Like it's like five hairs in a line.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: And I love that tree.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: She was like maybe the big person who carried that
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: lookover between like the nineteen thirties. In two thousand and three,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: she carried it in her hands.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: And she also she's got that short haircut. It's not
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: quite a Karen, it's given. I have a little more
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: fun than a Karen. But it is like that. It's
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: like I have a name for that, right, It's like,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: I don't call the manager. I just complained to you.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I will take them a lot of your time.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: And I love that the hair of like I wanted
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: a larger shrimp. I expected the shrimp to be bigger.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Right, She's the one who leads a yellp review and
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: it's like the food is good, but the porches are
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: very small. Yes, she wants larger porches, but she's not
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: going to call the police. Aum okay, cute, good for her. So.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Jim Baker was born in nineteen forty and grew up
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: in Muskegan, Muskegan Mosque's Muskigan so Moskeige in Michigan. Tama
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Fey and Jim met in nineteen sixty as students at
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: North Central Bible College in Minneapolis. Meant to soak, oh,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: all right, come on, Bible College. I can't pay to
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: go to Bible College. Like church is free.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: It's a lot of hours potentially, it's how many more hours?
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: D N It's yeah, and I just get a church.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: My timpersent. I don't ask them what they're gonna do
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: with it the building fund for the building. It never
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: happens like, look, I'm in my business. I'm gonna start
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: my own church. So I don't want I don't want
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: to know what y'all do with.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I start with puppets and then you work here.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know that's how you start a church. You
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: start with puppets.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: It's just day one, one puppet, Day two, two puppets,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Day three church.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: And do we think these are like Pinocchio style puppets,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: like where you have one of the little string like like,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: what is.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: That their little they're little hand puppets. Yeah, yeah, they're
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: like yeah, it kind of like the very early Jim Henson,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: I guess is what. It's a little bit like I
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: now get on the Martians on Sesame Street the menom
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: not guys. It's a little bit like that, Yeah, because
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: they're little, their cute little hand puppets and they're just
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: like there's some good footage of them. I recommend these puppets.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Puppets are hearts sell these dates, but I like them, right, yeah, exactly.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Elmo does want to talk about God and the miracle
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: of the rock. That kid eat the cookie right.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Almost says you're going to hell. Well, oh my god,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I would love that. Oh my god, that whole rock discourse. Listen,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I'm about to start watching Sesity Straight and Game because
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: that shit was better re Housewives. I was like, Elmo
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: is out here dragging the girls. Who's like mad racco
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: She's like, Elmo, how are you gonna eat the cookie?
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: It's like, damn almost at it with us, and our ship.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Is like the moment Elmo lost it, Almo decided to
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: clean the hard rain was gonna fall on Sesame Street.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Zoe is gas lighting here. She should have let him
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: have that cookie. I couldn't believe that shit. I was like,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: let's fight, Let's fight. Okay, meet me at Great Clips
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: because I'm also going to killed two birds with one
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: rocco and beat Felicity fucking.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Hair Maria's fixed shop and we will see hands tell.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I was gonna get out that trash. Can we all
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: just so? For their first date, Jim invited Tammy Faye
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: to attend church with him, and at the end of it,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: he told her, Tammy Lavalley, I have loved you ever
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: since the minute I saw you walk into school. Sweet
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Thang added the sweet thing before asking her to marry him.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: How our first day gonna be church? That's so cheap.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Le's gonna be on communion? Can I get a waifer
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: and a sip of wine? Like? What is this? That's
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: gant digit college? When they passed the collection plate, he
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: better at page twice because I'll be.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Damned, it's like, let's go duck show on this collection plate, Tammy.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Right, No, you give it for both of us today. Okay,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: he gave his only son. You're given are ours for
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: both of us? Okay, please get out. So a year
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: after their marriage, the couple dropped out of school to
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: pursue their dreams of creating a ministry. From there, they
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: began traveling and singing evangelists. That's such a while, Like, look,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I'm an actor, you know you working entertainment as well.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: You're also a journalist, like you right, Like, I guess
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: there's our careers that I don't know. Writing that's that
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: seems like a career that a lot of people go after.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't seem that weird. A lot of people
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: have English degrees, even if they don't use them. But
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I feel like the acting of the podcasting side, Look,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: that's just like kind of weird shit that we were like, yeah,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this for money.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Right because I'm alone. Mom, you don't understand technology.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna talk into a microphone in the room
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: by myself and people won't pay for it.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: It's like, okay, sweetie, I feel like we might have
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: missed a shot somewhere back.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know about Sarah, Yeah, she says, she goes
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: talking to her computer aboutself and.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Who foresaw that working out? Although I guess this is
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: kind of similar because this is like the beginning of
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: TV being an important medium. So for them to be
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: like we're going to talk to all of America at once,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: everyone would just be like what, No, you're not right.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's like do a stand up.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: There was like we taking Jesus on the road.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the Jesus farewell to her. It's not
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: coming back. Yeah, it's like it's I think it's funny.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it's a way to feel if
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: if you're a true believer, to feel like you're not
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: being super ambitious or kind of doing something that calls
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: on you doing a good job because you're like it's
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: the Holy Spirit flowing through me and cost a vessel
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: for all of the holy stuff I'm bringing all around America.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: But in real you know, if you take that out
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: of the equation, which I'm not gonna pass cochect amount
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: and whether that was there or not, then like you're
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: just going from down from town to town talking about
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: God to people and trying to make a living that way.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: It's very ballsy.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Extremely It's like y'all were like Jesus the world tool,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: you know, and also.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: It's selling a product that everyone already has, but we
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: all do know.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: The Bible is free. It's in most hotel rope suites.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Like if you're more a free Bible, you can get it,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Like you could definitely get yourself yourself a free Bible.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: And it's like that's the part I feel like where
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: they brought in the singing because it's like, okay, but
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: it's also gonna be a concert child, Like we got
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: a percussionist, we got a gay musician, leader Dad, we
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: won't tell that he's gay, and we're.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Gonna it's guy as you've never seen before.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, are you ready to throw it in the circle
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: for Jesus? Okay, show that anointing in a circle. So
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: you know, they they're basically like, let's take Jesus on
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: the road, and they both thought, yeah, this is a
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: good idea. By nineteen sixty six, their ministry had expanded
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: to Puppet Mint, to a puppet ministry hosted on Pat
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Robinson's Christian Broadcast network. So now they're on the Somebody's TV. Okay,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: you were right about the puppets, and we'll post this
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: in the episode. You know, we'll post it on scampas
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: POD's Instagram, so you guys can see puppins as well.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: But you were right. They're the puppets where you stick
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the hand up the butt and the puppins are kind
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: of given quality alligator and like it's an alligator, a dog,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: another dog, and a little white girl. These are the puppets.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what kind of stories they telling.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: I also love this looks like an album, and I
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: love the idea. This just like really expresses how loa
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: bar the was for attainment at this point in America.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: It's an album where you hear puppets singing, which is
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: obviously very meaningful because it's an album, so they couldn't
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: the puppet needs to be there in the studio, right,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: It's not like you just have someone singing in a voice.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Well, they're also the Dcast Network, so right, this is visual. Also,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I love the naming of this man. I wish I'd
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: been around for TV around this time, because this is
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: just the laziest. They named the show Jim and Tammy
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: and that friends songs and stories.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: They're not gonna overthink this one overlost. They have the
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: battles and overthinking just what's my name? What's your name?
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: All right? Good?
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Now we has shows like yellow Jacket and I'm like, oh,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: yellow Jacket, is that about bees? And like, nah, it's
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: a bunch of girls go each other in the wood.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: It's what why's the name yellow Jacket girl? I don't know.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: It's interesting. Gets the people going, Okay, the show's call Euphoria.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: It's just about a sad kid is doing heroines. What
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: it's called ephor What a simpler time. Jimmy Tammy and
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: that free some of the stories. We know what we're
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: gonna get. So they are on the Christian Broadcast Network. However,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Jim had broader ambitions and was quoted saying it's not
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: listed in the Bible. But my spiritual gift, my specific
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: calling from God, is to be a television talk show host. Amen, Jim.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: The problem with someone saying that God told them to
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: do something is that you can't say that he didn't.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Right giving manifest Destiny, she was like, God has told me,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: he tasted me. He told me I'm supposed to be
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: on TV.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, now you know the thing I most want in
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: the world as a person. Yeah, God's into it. I
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: just heard. So Yep, God.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Told me he wants to me to invent Tesla and
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: use up all the world's resources and kind of go
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: to space. Eli, nobody told you that. No, God told
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: me that.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I was surprised God was into it, But like, who
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: am I to say now? So, yep, here we go.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: We're doing it by run.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: So eventually Jim got his wish and went on the
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: co host The seven hundred Club with Pat the beginning
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: of PTO In nineteen seventy four. After two children, the
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Bankers moved to Charlotte, North Carolina, where Jim founded the
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Praise the Lord PTL satellite network. Now you gotta have
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: cable to Prize the Lord like cat Can antenna.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: They gotta go into space.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I gotta get countcant the prise the Lord. Okay. So
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the program hosted prominent ministers, discussed current affairs, showcase popular
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Christian musicians, and featured guests such as the former US
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: President Ronald Reagan and writer and early leader of the
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Black Panther Party Eldrich Cleaver. Oh, they was really covering
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the gamut. You know, Flax, we do love some Jesus,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: you know, come on representation in CLIs.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: It's the one thing we know about Jesus is that
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: he needs a satellite dish to be able to believe
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: famously hard of hearing.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Raise like come on now. So in order to fund
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the massive enterprise and by airtime, the Bakers hosted telethons
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: asking viewers to sign up for monthly pledges to become
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: PTL Club partners. Tammy and Jim showcase their flashy lifestyle
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: as example of what viewers may achieve if they bought
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: enough into the PTL ministry and preach that God rewards
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: faith and heavy tithe and with financial blessings and give
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: us all your money and then God will make you
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: rich like us.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: You following it makes total sense, right, Like give me
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: this dollar to give to God and then God will
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: give you back ten dollars.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: And God is all about look live by faith, not
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: by sight that we stealing. Don't live by that. Don't
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: look at it, don't look at us, Give us the money,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: and have faith that you're gonna get some Wow. Love this.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: The show's rating soon vaulted higher and higher and yielded
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: even greater financial returns. But by the mid nineteen eighties,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: the Bakers had a mass a multimillion dollar empia. Whoo
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: hart is USA gonna keep plowing through the income from
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: their satellite network allowed the Baker why do you want
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: to say? If they have two k's, it's the A
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: kk E R S, And I keep want to say
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Barker's or like, it just feels racist to have that
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: many k's in his name. Bro, I don't.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I'm like trying to figure out where that came from,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: because I guess maybe I've seen that spelling something.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: It feels like there was three k's. And then the
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: girls were like, Okay, well the KKK is out, y'all,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Like we should probably x the case the extra case,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: and they were like, okay, we'll take one.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Out, one extra. Yeah, let's keep the extra It makes
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: it a little special. Yeah right, you'll note.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: The Bakers with two k's. It's okay. So they use
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the money from their satellite Jesus network to purchase a
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: total of twenty three hundred acres of plan for a
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: new venture a five hundred from hotel and water park
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: complex they called Heritage USA. We have a video of
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: a commercial. Ooh, and this video comes with a side
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: of racism. Wow, see that extra k. I wasn't wrong,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: and everybody knows on the show. I do not read
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: these beforehand. I do like submit, and you know I
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: work with Kaylan, our researcher, but I try to be surprised,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: like you guys. I want to be along for the ride.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: So I think it's very fun that we just were
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: like the KKK and Bakers and now we have to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: get a racism commercial. Ooh, love a racism ad. Play it.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Let's see we're shaking this car.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Very strong child in there.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Pause for one second. I'm gonna I just want to
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: describe a little bit of this. You guys will like
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: post sodio going on Instagram. There's so much going on.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: So the first scene was a station wagon that definitely
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: four dudes were like shaken back and forth. I don't
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: know to give it movement. Don't understand that. They were like,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: we can't afford to turn the car on, or like
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: like me, this is before sound got really good and
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: they did a bootleg, but they were like, just shake
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: the car. That don't make it look like its own,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: because you know how cars just be shaking like they
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: had an earthquake. And then they said something about here
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: to the USA. What did they say? Did you hear that?
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: The I think how far inherited USA? Which Usa?
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's continue. It's also a lake. Okay,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: now there's a camel.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, It's like they had finished doing the ad
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: and then they were like, oh, we forgot to put
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: in the racism.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Ye just puts on his hose, just hand. What about
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: time they get a car shaking? Dows went home. It
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: was tired. So at the end, there's just like a
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: man who appears to be like a shake, but he's
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: on a camel and he's got an accent. And I
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's his real accent or that is
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: a white man in Tanner. I can't tell you.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: He looks like a guy who was like in an
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: earlier part of the ad and they just had him
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: double up rolls.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Also, all the white people were in cars, and then
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: they just had a man pull up on a camel.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: What was he gonna buy there? For that matter, I
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: guess they have water.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I don't even understand. It was the eighties, So.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: It's like, we can't make an ad for a theme
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: park without taking a generalized dig in the Middle East.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: It would be unpatriotic, right, It.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Was sary at the end for no reason. Oh, I
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: love it. So. The park's attractions included a shop that
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: replicated the experience of shopping in a Jerusalem market place.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: King doing chores in ancient Jerusalem.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: It was intended to be the world's largest windies What.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: A pretty beautiful.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: A passion play depicting the life and death of Jesus
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Christ with the aid of a light show special effects. Yeah,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I love that. You're gonna go see the Death of
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Jesus and you gotta sign a waiver making sure that
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: you don't have epilepsy first, like a light show. What
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: So In nineteen eighty six, it added a twelve million
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: dollar water park that included the world's largest wave pool,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: with plants to also install a life sized replica of
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Jerusalem as it was in Jesus's day, which would have
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: been about like zero point seven square miles. Okay, were
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: they baptizing this white pool too? Also? Like, if I'm
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: going to part I shall also be able to just
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: throw in a free baptismal.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't see why not.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, and if we pay a little fa extra
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: fifteen dollars, I should get a souvenir cup and a baptism.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I just feel like that's fair.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: So, oh yeah, an ocupont for medium fries.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: This is a pretty big park. And this is like
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: one of those fake beaches that you'll see at water
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: parks where you can walk in and shallow at first
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: and then deep and you know, usually body temperature and
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: just fill up everyone's urine. That's what it's giving. Love
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: that for them. So one of their large missteps was
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: that they sold PTL lifetime partnerships for one thousand dollars,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: which came with an annual three night stay at the
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Heritage Grand Hotel. So many partnerships were sold they amounted
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: to more than one hundred percent capacity of the hotel
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: at any time. So they were like, oh, if you
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: gave us coins, remember because you're in PTL, then we'll
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: give you one thousand dollars stay. That'll also have three
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: nights at the Grand Heriage hotel. So basically they couldn't
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: make money off of the water park because they had
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: let their disciples book it up all the time. So
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: many partnerships were sold that they couldn't actually have anybody
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: else to come. So over three years, followers contributed one
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty eight million dollars. This is the eighties,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: so almost a billion dollars today. In addition to the hotel,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: here and USA also included an extensive campground, RV park, timeshares,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: mid range electric hotels, condominiums, all types of stuff. Podcasts
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: were also encouraged to spend part of their vacation time
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: volunteering for the ministry.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Not quite a full scientology, but they're they're edging their
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: way over there.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: At least with them. They're like, you can ride the
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: log water slide, the Moses part of the red seat,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: but also we do need you to pick up some
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: trash in his name.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, you like going to Disney World, we'll
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: try working at Disney World can't have one without the other.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Makes it all fun, it's godly.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: It's only got y'all gotta plunge three toilets for every ricket. Okay,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: it's only right. So this saved the ministry thousands of dollars, obviously,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: which would be spent on ventures in the future. So
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: the rist while the Bakers were busy growing their massive
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: lucrative empire and private they were growing apart. Jim poured
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: all of his energy into building the PTL network, while
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Timmy Fay, though Powerhouse co host herself, felt alone at
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: home with no help for Jim to like look after
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the keys. So now Jim is just like, I got
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Jesus business, and he's like, but this little Timmy's softball game.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: He was like, he still hate it off a tee.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Timmy waits, don't build themselves. You know.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: What do you think making all this Jesus juice me?
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: He didn't want to help Lord. So in nineteen eighty seven,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: The Charlotte Observer published an expose revealing Jim Baker had
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: sexually assaulted Jessica Han, a twenty nine year old church
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: secretary from Long Island, more than six years or so
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: this finally comes out. Jim used like two hundred and
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: seventy nine thousand dollars of PTL funds to buy Jessica's silence,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: but in the following years never admitted despite the evidence
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: in Jessica's account that the sex was non consensual. So
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: he's out here being a dirty batman. Jim admitted to
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: both the affair it's not an affair, bro like, that's
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: not how affairs work, and hush money, and reluctantly set
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: down from his position at PTL, handing temporary control over
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: to teller evangelist Jerry Fallwell. Once at the Helm, Fallwell
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: discover that PTL was deeply int it bleeding two million
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: a month. Jim. So, Jim, u's out here being a
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: nasty man, and you're not even running the business, right like,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Ao badfi?
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: I think this what's going to go giving someone temporary
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: control of your business.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Right like? Of course they're going to do some forensic
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: accounting a man.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I take take it over and don't look
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: into it too closely.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: You are now the face of this. Don't open the
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: file cabinet, okay, just just just say what we told
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: you to say. Don't ask no questions. Amen, gonna ask
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: some questions, bro. So this guy is just a Look,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: he's just bad in life, Like Jim, you're a bad person,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: you're a bad father, and you're a bad business person,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: which is the least important of the three things I listed,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: which is why it was last. But still like, damn,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: you don't get it.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Nothing that taste some sweaters too. I gotta say, this
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: is a sweater era and no drip? What that was about?
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: No drip? He ain't had no drip. You're right about that. So,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: working with other evangelists, Fallwell proceeded to fan the flames
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: of the controversy and open a broad her inquiry into
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: the growing list of moral and financial misdeeds with n PTL.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: So he took it over and was like, yeah, yeah,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I'll take it over fall Well. What a what a
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: for voting last name? Well, I'm making fall good. So
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: he went in and he got to digging. At a
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: press commence in May nineteen eighty seven, Follow said that
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: the Bakers were no longer fit to lead PTL and
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Accusedion Baker of being secretly gay. Fall Well was very homophobic,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: All right, Follow, I was on your side until I
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: guess none of you're gonna be good.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: It's clashes of the Titans confusing at times.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Time has morals, but also he's homophobic, so not that
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: many morals.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Sometimes nobody wins.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Right, everyone's bad. So the controversy put even more scrutiny
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: on the couple and their expensive lifestyle, which included herriages,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: USA's excessive amenities, their mansions, and their air conditioned dog house.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Damn air conditioned doghouse. So the dolls better.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: I will defend the air conditioned dog house. I want
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: all humans to have air conditioning first, But if you're
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: gonna have to live in a hot climate, fine, got
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: an air conditioned dog house. If if you're scamming money
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: from believers, then that's one of probably the least annoying
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: things you can do.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: They have huskies, Like the husky's not supposed.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: To be in the heat, right, I don't know what
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: they have, but like, if it's for the comfort of dogs,
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: then than I am for it.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: You'll got slave dogs.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: That's the one thing Harding USA is missing is to
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: go get around by dog sled like Jesus would have
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: if he could.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: You know, Jesus had a bopslet team, I.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Think with that part of the Bible. But I finished
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: early too, and you.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Finished early, Like now there's so much Bible left.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: The pages are very thin, so much good stuff left.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: The pages are very thin, Like why is it's not
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the powers? Like it's like see through you like open,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: It's like very thin. So Jerry Fallwell zooming down the
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Heritage USA water slide in a suit, celebrating the baker ousted.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: So we have a we have a photo.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: It's such an amazing picture.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: So this is Jerry. Jerry came in. He's the home
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: folk who decided he was going to be cleaning up
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: the Act of PTO. And for some reason he's fully
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: in a suit, like a full suit, signing down a
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: watter sun. Is this a baptismal well? Good question.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: I feel like this is the biggest depression mood I've
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: ever seen. That. That can't be what he's going for,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: because I don't think you're allowed to acknowledge the existence
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: of depression if you're Jerry Fallwell. Right, But sometimes I
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: feel like going down a water slide in all my clothes.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: I'll say that take me to a dying water park
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: and let me go down in my clothes. Thank you.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know what he thought he was giving, but
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: it's very strange. So it was also revealed that the
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: ministry had raised more than double the money needed for
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: a new hotel called Heritage Towers. The hotel had not
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: been completed, and yet more money was being solicitous of
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: the building. Fun don'tt money has also been diverted to
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: other things, including high salaries and generous bonuses for the
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: bakers and the PTL board members and public. Tammy Face
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: stood by Jim. She stood beside him, she said, as
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: my man, and I'm a stand besid. But in nineteen
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: eighty eight he was indicted on eight counts of mail fraud.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Who I told y'all about mail frod Guys, don't do
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: a crime in the mail. It's the penniest way for
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: the government to catch you. Like uncle said, would be like, okay,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: you did do six murders, but we don't got enough
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: DNA for that. But bitch, you lick the stamp, so
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: you don't wait that. What don't do mail fraud? Job
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: you're gonna do it, don't do it in the mail,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: because let's have it gonna get you.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: This is what mothers should tell their children. It's like,
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: don't chew the guy you fine under the tables, and
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: don't do mail fraud, and don't pull a girl's hair.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: These are all just pillars of life things you should
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: all know. Okay, if you didn't deliver something, go do
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: a dog, get on foot, get a bike, you know,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: get a car, take a taxi from work, and charge
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: your job fifteen hundred dollars, but don't do mail fraud.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: So he was indicted on eight counts of mail frod,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: fifteen counts of wire fraud, and one count of conspiracy.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: He was sentenced to forty five years in federal prison,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: which was later reduced to a damn that's a real reduction.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Who did you pay off, Jane?
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, so many people.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Fay was not indicted. They let her go. So
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: here's the aftermath. Guys were getting to the end of this.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Three years later, Tammy Faye initiated her divorce, dating how
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: cruel it would have been for me to have waited
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: until he walked through those prison doors, happy and filled
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: with dreams and plans for Jimmy and Tammy. Huh. So
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: that's her quote, I'm trying to read it one more
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: time for y'all. She said, how cruel it would have
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: been for me to have waited until he walked through
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: those prison doors, happy and filled with dreams and plans
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: for Jimmy Tammy. So so he was already in jail,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: and she was like, okay, wee moll f off for
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: a divorce. I don't get his this, Like, so you
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: just waited till he was marinated in jail a little
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: bit in.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Then saying, way to try and put a positive spent
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: on divorcing someone in the middle of their being in prison, Like,
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: I think you have to do what you gotta do,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: and sometimes you gotta divorce your spouse. He's in prison,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean that best outcome. Yeah, She's saying, like it
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: would have been worse if I divorced him as soon
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: as he got out, because then he would be thinking
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: that a bright future was ahead, but I would be
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: taking it away. And it's I just think that probably
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: divorcing someone mid prison has to be the worst time
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: to divorce them.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: And that's okay, Yeah, like definitely get your divorce on this, Like,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: definitely do it. But you're you're trying to reframe it like, okay,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: but what if I had divorced him when he left prison?
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Ding he would be sad because he would have been right,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: you know, like like he would have been carved in
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: the days into the wall. You know.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: So wait, you can see that actually this was the best.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: This is the ideal time to get divorced.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like mid prison in it three years?
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're most hopeless, that's the best.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Like what so a year after, Jammy Fay married Roe Messinger,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: who helped build much of Heritage USA. So I should
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: have married somebody else that she was probably seeing around
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the church, you know, like they would be looking at
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: into other's eyes as they like opened up all the
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: offering envelopes.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: I imagine. So or just like from across the water park.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: He would hair her like a wafer when they were
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: having community, he would hold on a little too longly
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: the finger tips would touch, you know, Like, so now
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: should have married somebody to church. So however, in nineteen
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: tenenty four, Rode was convicted of bankruptcy fraud and served
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: twenty seven months in prison. Damn all, your boo's going
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: to jail, Tammy.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's got a type and.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: It's convicted criminal. Now also, like, Tammy, you were very
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: close to these crimeses, so are you making these men
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: do the bed feel?
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: I think we all know who's who's passing down the orders,
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: and it's God.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Dammy, it's given. Drama always follows me. It's given. Conventions
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: just follow me. Like everybody I love goes to jail.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: They just love Jesus so much that they just go
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: right to jail.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Right, I'm gonna bet the house.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Too much loving Jesus if that's how you're doing it.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: She's like, oh boo, when is your incictment not gon
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: outfit already? Like what how often are you going to court?
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: It's a poor curious So Tammy Fay remained married to
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Messinger until her death in two thousand and seven at
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: age sixty five. Following and I love your battle with
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: pulling cancer. We're all in nineteen ninety four, Jim returned
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: to Christian broadcasting in two thousand and three. Non'bodyed to
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: come back from jail. It's my first day out, like
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: I'm going back to Christian.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Bride Like I'm already a divorced so it's time to
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: get back on TV. Don't have to worry about getting divorced,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: worked out Davis.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: If they tried to kill your favorite be everybody opens
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: it a book of Johant What wow? I was. I
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: remember when Jesus was in that tone for three days.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: That's basically what they did to me. And now I
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: am out, like what this is okay? And they let
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: you do this? Wow. So he had The Jim Baker
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Show co hosting alongside his second wife, Laurie, who he
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: married in nineteen ninety eight. Guys, that is the story
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: of Jim and Tammy Baker. They don't sound like great people.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: It's getting bad, But I do like the puppets aspect.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: That was you gotta have puppets, you know, the.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Natural involvement from puppets to uh fraud.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: I think what I always what I found interesting about
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: this learning the facts about it is that I always
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: heard it when I was growing up secondhand as like, well,
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: it was never reported as an assault. It was reported
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: as an affair, but it was like Jim Baker had
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: an affair and then she brought him down and it's like, no, actually,
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: he committed fraud a lot of it and then happened
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: to be unveiled for being accused of a sex crime
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: at the same time. But it's like, no, like, guys
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: don't get taken down for that in America. Don't be silly.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: It was the fraud.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: To this day, they don't get taken down for it.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Like I will never defend Gallne Maxwell, and this is
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: in no way a defensive her, But I find it
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: very odd that she is the one who's going away
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: for all of this. Obviously Jeffrey Epstein, the whole situation
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: like maybe murder, maybe so that we don't know, the
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: girls will never know. It's giving B six thirteen though,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: But who did she traffic all of these women to?
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Y'all just gonna be like, oh, she's going to do
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: it for traffick? And where did where did they stop?
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Where did they go? Like, we're not gonna look at it.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: We're just like not a two person conspiracy or were
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: there more people? It seems like it would take more
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: people like she.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Took them to nowhere, she took them to no one,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: like she took them to some one. And that feels
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: like also a part of the crime, feels right, feels
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: like also crime. But no, we protect powerful men and
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: that's why, uh, you know, Tammy's gone and Jim got
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: back on TV and got a new wife.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: Like that's trash and dressed selling fake COVID cures or
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: fake COVID defense. I mean that's like who isn't at
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: this point in time. But yeah, that is really there's
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: something very telling about the fact that he just like
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: bounced straight back. He's just doing what he did before.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: It's fine.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Can't keep a good man down or a mad one.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Just can't keep a man down.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: He had not try as you might, try as you might.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: He had a forty five year jail SI somehow became.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Eight like that that just pil became I'm on TV again, right,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: And then.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: They just welcomed him back and they're like, oh, he
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: had an affair. No, that's not actually what happened. Like
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: that's a strong reband, that's a real pivot. That's what happened.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: It's time for Scammer of a Week is where we
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: highlighted Charlottan. Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: like Jim and Tammy. Who knows. So today we're talking
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: about we're giving, we're keeping it on theme here, we're
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: keeping it on brand. So the discovery of a plumber
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: made this past December in a wall behind a toilet
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: has people questioning if Joel Austin's megachurch Lake Wooch Church,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Come On, Texas, has been involved in fraud. The plumber
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Justin Cawley, was removing a toilet at Austin's Texas church
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: when he discovered about five hundred envelopes filled with money
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: in the wall. No, the amount of money was not disclosed,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: so we still don't know how much money it was.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: And Joel Austin is also you know, a TV pastor
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: who's out here with the whips and the drips. You know, suits,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: always tailored cars, always custom for Jesus. And I'll never forget.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: And I've talked about this on the podcast before. There
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: was a hurricane in Houston and they were like, hey, Joel,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: can you open the doors to your church because the
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: girls are in need. And he was like, ooh no.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: No room at the end, so sorry, bye bye.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Guy actually had told me he don't want shot to Yeah.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: So many conflicting things. It's interesting.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: He said, help yourself, he said, Guy said you gotta
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: pick us up about your own bootstraps. I don't think
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: God said that, Joe, No, he did.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: That's when I was at dason By the airport and
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: you're welcome to you said, doesn't grant godly to me?
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: But that's what I heard.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: God said, Motel Sis would leave the light off for you.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: So I don't know what y'all want me to do, okay,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: like trifling. Police believe these envelopes are related to a
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: twenty fourteen burgulary where more than six hundred thousand dollars
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: in cash and checks were taken from the church is
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Safe by an unknown person who's yet to be discovered.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Since so he not him doing a fake robbery on
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: him self and then hiding the money in the church.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: Uh, I mean, I'm not like, what do I know?
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: But boy, does that make sense? If you have more
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: money than you know what to do with, then you
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: don't want it to get taxed?
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: All right? And look, this is all this is just
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: what the facts are from these articles allegedly Allegedly, I
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: don't know what actually happened. Maybe God wants us to
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: put money in our plumbing systems. That's not for me
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: to say. Okay, they're like, you know, Joseph's a lot
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: of time in the bathroom after we do ties on
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: offering like he said, he got IDs, but I don't know.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: His ideas only flare up when the cash come around.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: So I'm just confused. So Maget twenty fourteen, the church
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: released a statement saying the funds were fully insured and
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: we're working with the insurance company to restore the stolen
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: funds to the church. Oh, the funds were insured. Cute,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: how convenient. The church was allowed to keep the discovered
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: envelopes as they had been found on their property. The
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: nonprofit organization Crime Stoppers gave Collie a check for twenty
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars for a learning the church to his discovery,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: part of the initial award for information relating to the
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: twenty fourteen burger wary as well. So I will say, Collie,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that Crime Stoppers gave you a coin, because
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: if I was in there working on the pipes and
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I just see a lot of cash,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: that plumbing bag gonna get a little heavy. He met
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: all of his tools in the bathroom, but his bag
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: was full.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: You know, he can had new ones. That's the best
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: tools in the world now.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: But also, Collie, you probably did the right thing because
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: anybody who's got money hidden behind a wall. That's not
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: somebody you want to steal from. That's giving crime rime.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: It feels like there might be repercussions, like real repercussions
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: to you stealing from them. But I'm not gonna do that.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: These chirchens, they don't play around. I feel like it
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: feels not so different from my movie world where because
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: everyone is dressed as flashy as possible and these kind
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: of rules of etiquette, but everyone kind of agrees what
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: they're in it.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: For, right and it. Instead of doing mob hits, they
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: smiting people like y'all told me to smite you. I'm like,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: you have a forty five that's a nine millimeter with
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: a laser porter. Yeah, God told me how to smite you. No,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: this this is murder like.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: It's a Smite mastered Deluxe and uh yeah, there we go.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: No, God is just using me through this gun. I
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: hain't as I'm a vessel, but your murder now, I'm
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: just you gonna meet him, that's all. You're just wants
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: to do a little meet and greet.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: With Jesus, call me the angel Maker.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Look, God is up the side of auto guys every day,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: and you first and live like, no, oh god, I guess.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: The Gangster movie. We need this is what we need,
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: we do.
• 56:58
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• 57:08
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• 57:25
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