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Van Halen, Iconic Guitarists & Must-Read Rock Books with Final Resonance TV's Jeff Goebel [Episode 250] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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  Speaker 1: I know dialogue. How to found the conversation? Right? That's
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  Speaker 1: a geyser interesting, interesting as provocative for Daddy Man back
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  Speaker 1: Man Rock and Roll.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to book don Rock the podcast for those
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  Speaker 2: about to read and rock. I'm Maeric Senech. Make sure
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  Speaker 2: also get the latest rockbook releases at booked on rock
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  Speaker 2: dot com. It's another chapter in the Dialogue series, a
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  Speaker 2: chill and chat with authors, fellow podcasters, musicians, and more.
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  Speaker 2: My guest is Jeff Goebel. Jeff is an accomplished guitarist
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  Speaker 2: who performs about two hundred gigs a year with multiple bands,
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  Speaker 2: including retro rock Revival, Plan B and the Huntsville, Alabama
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  Speaker 2: based Van Halen tribute band Forever Unchained. Jeff is a
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  Speaker 2: huge Van Halen fan. He's the host of the show
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  Speaker 2: Van Halen Stories on his YouTube channel, Final Residence TV.
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  Speaker 2: He's also a fellow contributing writer for the Van Helen Newsdesk.
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  Speaker 2: We talk about a love of all things Van Halen.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff's YouTube channels some of his favorite guests, his thoughts
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  Speaker 2: on Alex van Halen's recent book, Brothers, other books, on
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  Speaker 2: Rocky's read and would like to see someday written. So
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  Speaker 2: let's get to it. Here is Jeff Goebel. Jeff, thanks
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  Speaker 2: for being here.
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  Speaker 1: Man, it's great to be with you. Eric. We actually
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  Speaker 1: just did a podcast, what was about two months ago.
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  Speaker 2: That was a marathon that was like a three hour
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  Speaker 2: talk about Alex's book with Yeah, with Chris Gill and
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  Speaker 2: Brad Tlensky. Yeah, so I wanted to return to favor
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  Speaker 2: and have you on to talk about van Halen. Yeah. Man,
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk about books. We'll talk about Alex's book of course.
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  Speaker 2: Before we get into all of that, tell us about yourself.
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  Speaker 2: You're originally from Alabama.
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  Speaker 1: Well, my parents, you know, actually I was born in Illinois.
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  Speaker 1: I was born outside of Chicago, and then we moved
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  Speaker 1: down south in the seventies. My dad came down for work.
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  Speaker 1: So I ended up bouncing a round between the Southern states,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Georgia, South Carolina, and eventually in Birmingham in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty. So then I've been here ever since, but
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  Speaker 1: Birmingham most of the time. And then I moved up
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  Speaker 1: here in ninety five to Huntsville area.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, what turns you on to rock and roll and
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  Speaker 2: the guitar in particular.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, we all know what that is, man Ken,
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  Speaker 1: Eddy Van Allen, Right, you know Don Kirshner's rock concert.
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  Speaker 1: One night on my little twenty inch TV, the Unchained video,
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  Speaker 1: that series of videos came on that night. Specifically, Roth
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  Speaker 1: came on first with his interview with Jim Ladd. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm all all about that Jim Ladd interview. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the one in his backyard in Pasadena, right right, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So you know now now having any you know, appreciation
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  Speaker 1: for the history of all that and the photography from
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  Speaker 1: Neil's Loves Hour, his shots there and all that, you
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  Speaker 1: know at the house, I got a lot of appreciation
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  Speaker 1: for that interview in that backyard of David.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, Neil's lows Hour man, he is. He is
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  Speaker 2: the man when it comes to photograph fee, especially with
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  Speaker 2: Van Halen. Have you had Neil on your show?
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  Speaker 1: I have, yeah, yeah, he was early on. Yeah, great.
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  Speaker 1: I loved Neil and I actually went over to a
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  Speaker 1: studio in Hollywood after that and hung out with him
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  Speaker 1: a little bit and almost ran into a famous baseball player.
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  Speaker 1: Really who you know? Randy Johnson? George all right, Randy
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  Speaker 1: Johnson was in there before me, and I didn't know it. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: I just missed him.
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  Speaker 2: You wouldn't have missed him.
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  Speaker 1: He's tall, but you know he's a photographer as well,
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  Speaker 1: and so I didn't know that. And a drummer, so
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  Speaker 1: Randy's a big music guy. So so yeah, he was
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  Speaker 1: at Neil's place getting some prints and I just missed him.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it was the first van Halen song you.
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  Speaker 1: Ever heard, unchanged, I guess. I mean, well, yeah, unchained,
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  Speaker 1: but I had heard beat It prior, so you know.
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  Speaker 1: I it was actually right after Beat It that I
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  Speaker 1: saw that video. So as a kid, I was aware
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  Speaker 1: of the name of Van Halen, but I hadn't seen
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  Speaker 1: him yet, you know, because of the fact you just
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  Speaker 1: didn't that he's easily and you didn't you know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: you just didn't get the exposure unless you happen to
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  Speaker 1: pick up a magazine and it said Eddie van Halen
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  Speaker 1: on the front, right. I had heard about him from friends,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this beat It through, Beat It Through the
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  Speaker 1: solo there, somebody said this is Eddie van Halen, and
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  Speaker 1: I go, who's Eddie van Halen, and then he just
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  Speaker 1: came on TV, you know this don Kershner's thing, and
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  Speaker 1: then I realized, this is the guy that they were
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  Speaker 1: talking about, Eddie van Halen. This is the beat It
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  Speaker 1: solo guy. I connected.
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  Speaker 2: That goes against Alex's comments of why he didn't want
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  Speaker 2: Eddie to do the solo unbeat It because he thought
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  Speaker 2: should have had the reverse, should have had have Michael
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  Speaker 2: on our album, but don't go on his. But yet,
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  Speaker 2: the argument against that is that people discovered Eddie and
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  Speaker 2: then eventually van Halen threw.
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  Speaker 1: That song absolutely had I mean, I probably would have
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  Speaker 1: seen that that night anyway, but it connected to me
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  Speaker 1: enough when they said van Halen when they were going
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  Speaker 1: David Lee Roth of van Halen, and then I started
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  Speaker 1: watching it because I heard of van Halen through the
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  Speaker 1: beat It situation. Yes, So then I stayed on the
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  Speaker 1: channel and watched the rest of it. That pretty much
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  Speaker 1: made it happen for me.
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  Speaker 2: Was the first guitar you ever bought?
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  Speaker 1: Uh? Well, I had. My uncle had one and I
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  Speaker 1: used to like, you know, steal it and borrow it
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  Speaker 1: in my room. He used to live with us sometimes,
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  Speaker 1: so I had one there that happened to be around,
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  Speaker 1: and so as soon as I saw Eddie van Halen,
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  Speaker 1: I was messing with it, but ended up getting an
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  Speaker 1: Ivan as Roadstar two for Christmas in eighty three, and
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  Speaker 1: that was my first guitar, which happened to have those
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  Speaker 1: super eighty pickups, which are the pickups right after the
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  Speaker 1: ones that people think were in The Shark. Potentially, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: super seventies. So I do still have that guitar actually.
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  Speaker 2: All right, first song you learned to play.
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  Speaker 1: Well on guitar all the way through? Yep, all the
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  Speaker 1: way through was Paranoid a Black Sabbath.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then I guess, you know, i'd always I
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  Speaker 1: learned like the riff to smoke on the water, of course,
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  Speaker 1: and anything I could pick out by ear.
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  Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you get people that will just know
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  Speaker 2: Eddie as or they view him as the guy could
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  Speaker 2: just play a bunch of notes, and I said, there's
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  Speaker 2: so much more to him than that, especially if you
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  Speaker 2: listen to his complete body of work. I guess the
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  Speaker 2: first question is, well, what drew you to him about
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  Speaker 2: his playing?
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  Speaker 1: You know, my uncle took me to see bands when
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  Speaker 1: I was in my teens, before I had this exposure
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  Speaker 1: to Eddie, so I saw Bad Company live, I saw
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  Speaker 1: Cheap Trick. So when I heard Eddie, I knew he
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  Speaker 1: was different than all those other people. It just struck
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  Speaker 1: me much differently than those other bands. And for some reason,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I guess it was his you know, the
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  Speaker 1: ferocity of his playing at the end of the Unchained video,
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  Speaker 1: just that whole cadenza at the end where he just
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  Speaker 1: lets loose, which for me was my eruption because I
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  Speaker 1: didn't hear eruption yet. You know this, this was my
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  Speaker 1: first discovery of him, so I didn't I hadn't go
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  Speaker 1: back to get the album to hear eruption. I guess
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  Speaker 1: maybe I had heard it on the radio, maybe, but
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  Speaker 1: I never had connected it. So to me, that moment
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  Speaker 1: at the end was the first time I'd heard that
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  Speaker 1: kind of aggressive, super fast, accurate playing.
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  Speaker 2: That's the word of ferocious, ferocity. That word always comes
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  Speaker 2: to mind. I was actually coming up on YouTube. Just
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  Speaker 2: the algorithm brought me to surprise, surprise van Halen. It
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  Speaker 2: always I like Van Halen, and it had a performances
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  Speaker 2: from ninety three I think it was the ninety three
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  Speaker 2: tour of Judgment Day. Yeah, you know, and the ferocity
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  Speaker 2: in which he's playing on that track. There's so much
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  Speaker 2: energy coming through him into that guitar, and there's just
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  Speaker 2: something different that separated him from everybody else of his genre.
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  Speaker 2: And there's so many good ones, and you've had some
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  Speaker 2: on your show. I mean, you've had some great guitarists,
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  Speaker 2: but there's just something about him that always stood above
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  Speaker 2: all the others. For me personally, it was just a
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  Speaker 2: certain feeling I got to this day still it's the
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  Speaker 2: greatest sound that I've ever heard the sound of Eddie
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  Speaker 2: playing guitar.
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  Speaker 1: There's something about guys like but like George Lancher or Hendricks,
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  Speaker 1: that they have a breath of techniques and a large,
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  Speaker 1: a large, wide style, you know what I mean, with
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  Speaker 1: so many different facets, And I think with Eddie he
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  Speaker 1: had so many facets that we heard as we went
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  Speaker 1: through the albums. You know, each little solo thing that
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  Speaker 1: he did was like another facet of his playing, and
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  Speaker 1: you constantly discovered more and more about him and how
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  Speaker 1: deep he was as a player. So I think that
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  Speaker 1: was part of like he was different than most people.
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  Speaker 1: They had a few things, but he had just it
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  Speaker 1: seemed like endless things to show us as a guitarist.
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  Speaker 2: What makes them so special as far as technique wise.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's the combination of you know. Well, one thing
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  Speaker 1: I will say is like when I saw him live
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  Speaker 1: not long ago, I mean not long ago a while
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  Speaker 1: the last tour is there, probably two thousand and seven
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, I was fairly close, you know, and I
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  Speaker 1: just remarked to my wife afterwards, I said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when he does it, it just looks so easy and he
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  Speaker 1: is so in it. I think that's, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: just the way he transmitted his love and the ease
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  Speaker 1: that he came across with. He didn't seem like he
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  Speaker 1: was ever struggling, which it was really unique with guitar
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  Speaker 1: players because as guitar players were almost always struggling.
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  Speaker 2: But as we know, when he was younger, he was
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  Speaker 2: constantly playing a concert, working on his craft. Sure, you
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  Speaker 2: know stories of Alex going out to a party here
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  Speaker 2: and there, but it was just going to stay at
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  Speaker 2: home and tinker away at the guitar.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a common theme.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I think that I didn't realize that about Eddie as
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  Speaker 1: I was becoming a player, that he had gone through
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  Speaker 1: that exact thing that I had gone through, which was
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  Speaker 1: I got really inspired. Like for him it was clapped in,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but for me it was him. So we
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  Speaker 1: would go through this period where you're really so into
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  Speaker 1: it that you just lose all time and space and
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  Speaker 1: you just eat it a lot. You just eat it
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  Speaker 1: night and day, and it's not work, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: Steve I always says, you know, or even Eddie that
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't really work for them to do to do
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  Speaker 1: that practicing, that rehearsing that, you know, that's what he
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  Speaker 1: loved to do. So, yeah, Alex was out doing his thing,
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  Speaker 1: but Eddie was really loving what he was doing while
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  Speaker 1: he was doing it, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I say that about Alex, But Alex worked hard too.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like he didn't, you know. That's the thing, man,
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  Speaker 2: that those two guys were in that studio all the time.
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  Speaker 2: It's like they lived in that fifty and fifty studio.
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  Speaker 2: There are three factions of Van Hilln fans. There's the
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  Speaker 2: Dave era only fans, the Sammy era only fans, and
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  Speaker 2: then there's the fans of all airs. I'm an all
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  Speaker 2: era fan. What are your feelings on the two eras
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  Speaker 2: of Van Hillen Dave Years, Sammy Years.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I love Sammy agor let me say that
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  Speaker 1: right out of the gate. And the last tour that
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  Speaker 1: he just did was was fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: It's beautiful. Yeah, I want to ask you about that.
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  Speaker 1: I loved it, so we can talk about or later.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, I grew up on the Roth era,
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  Speaker 1: so I was really into the Roth The way he
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  Speaker 1: played during that period and ross creativity as a lyricist.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the lyrics themselves and the melodies were quite different,
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  Speaker 1: less less melodic than Sammy. I guess it's the way
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  Speaker 1: that I was describing, but very super unique, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So when Eddie and Sammy got together, I was kind
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  Speaker 1: of like still into heavy rock, you know, I was
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  Speaker 1: at that point, you know, I had grown up with
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  Speaker 1: a steady diet of of Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath,
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  Speaker 1: Van Halen, ac DC. So by the time we hit
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  Speaker 1: eighty six, that melodic approach, while I liked it, was
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  Speaker 1: not as heavy as the other bands that I was
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  Speaker 1: used to listening to, and Van Halen for that matter,
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  Speaker 1: because Van Halen was a pretty heavy band in those
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  Speaker 1: earlier years, right, so they they you know, as a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people say they kind of almost I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if they did. You know, I've somebody like Priest
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  Speaker 1: was a metal band, but Van Halen bored on that.
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  Speaker 1: But with melodic tendencies and all this harmonies and all
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  Speaker 1: the things that they did, that was different. So that
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  Speaker 1: kind of when he made that transition with Sammy, I
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  Speaker 1: kind of like was as a player was more focusing
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  Speaker 1: on harder rock at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Booked on rock podcasts. We'll be back after this.
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  Speaker 1: I think you'd be glad later if you weren't here now.
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  Speaker 2: When I first heard that he was a fan of
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  Speaker 2: Eric Clapton, read it in the magazine, I believe somewhere
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  Speaker 2: I didn't make the connection. But then as the years
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  Speaker 2: went on, I listened to more and more of his
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  Speaker 2: work during the Sami years, I think I see it
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  Speaker 2: more or hear it more, like and when it's love
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  Speaker 2: on the solo, Edi himself said, that's my Clapton right there,
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  Speaker 2: that's my Clapton moment with that solo. But is that
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  Speaker 2: surprising that the Clapton was the guy and not Hendrix.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was probably you know, years ago to me,
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  Speaker 1: but you know now I'm so jaded. But yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was a funny thing that happened in
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  Speaker 1: both interviews with Alex and with Eddie. When he was
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  Speaker 1: interviewed at the Smithsonian, Jeff and I were both there
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  Speaker 1: when the lady said she insinuated that he was influenced
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  Speaker 1: by Hendricks, when they almost all of us out there
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  Speaker 1: knew that was like not the thing.
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  Speaker 2: To say, oh not yeah exactly, because yeah, he did
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  Speaker 2: not really like Hendricks all that much.
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  Speaker 1: Now, he never he was. He would always say he
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  Speaker 1: didn't get it from Hendricks. But but I guess when
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  Speaker 1: you look at like how he innovated with Wammie bar
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  Speaker 1: and kind of this the general uh we were talking
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  Speaker 1: about ferocity or or out of control, wild kind of
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  Speaker 1: style that was really kind of Hendrick's thing too, you know,
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  Speaker 1: for his time. And so making that comparison to Clapton
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  Speaker 1: and trying to connect Clapton to that's kind of hard,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Like most people wouldn't see Clapton, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: as the guy. If you're you were just Joe average,
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  Speaker 1: and you watched Hendricks and you watched Eddie, you would
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  Speaker 1: say he was much more like Hendricks than he was
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  Speaker 1: like Clapton.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean, most people would make that conclude.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned Jeff, Jeff Housman. You're referring to the
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  Speaker 2: publisher of the Vanilla News Desk, So we want to
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  Speaker 2: say hello to Jeff, shout out to you. Yeah, what's
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  Speaker 2: the most difficult Edward van Halen song to play?
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  Speaker 1: A man? There's a lot of people. Most people say,
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  Speaker 1: I'm the one is the hardest one to play.
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  Speaker 2: I've heard Summer Nights.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be yeah, yeah, and in a lot
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  Speaker 1: of ways because Summer Nights is tuned with the Steinberger right,
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  Speaker 1: So if you're trying to play it like Sodrianni Dead,
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  Speaker 1: you had to play it in a weird position on
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  Speaker 1: the on the on the tour. And I had learned
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  Speaker 1: that back when I was in high school at the
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  Speaker 1: time eighty six. I think the swing and the Hot
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  Speaker 1: for Teacher and the swing in on the one is
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  Speaker 1: the one that's most unnatural for most people because most
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  Speaker 1: people can't do that swing feel like they could and
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  Speaker 1: that was one of their real strong points. So for
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  Speaker 1: the for me personally, it's those two songs that try
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  Speaker 1: to get that feel. As you know, everybody says it's
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  Speaker 1: almost impossible. It's pretty hard.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, very difficul about the supporting players because every time
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  Speaker 2: I would see Eddie play with other musicians, like he
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  Speaker 2: would sit in on some jam session, maybe unled him
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  Speaker 2: in or whatever. Not the same as when he's with
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  Speaker 2: Alex Sure, Michael, with David Sammy. Yeah, especially Alex, because
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  Speaker 2: they were just locked in.
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  Speaker 1: Right at every NAMN show. You know that that would happen.
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  Speaker 1: They would have those jams during that period, during the eighties,
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  Speaker 1: mid eighties through uh. I think the last one that
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  Speaker 1: Eddie was involved in ninety two just never.
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  Speaker 2: Felt he didn't It didn't seem like he was totally
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  Speaker 2: comfortable playing with anybody, but alt he never Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean when I felt right, how's that? Those things, I
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  Speaker 1: always felt like, you know, like he was doing it
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  Speaker 1: because it was just he's something he was expected to
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  Speaker 1: do and he was going to try to please the people.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's a loose jam, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that he had the the whole expectation
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  Speaker 1: thing on on him the whole his whole life, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if he go back. Even through some of my interviews,
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  Speaker 1: the people that knew him felt like that he was
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  Speaker 1: kind of a sensitive guy who had a lot of
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: pressure on him and uh, which led to all the
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: other bad things that happened to him.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: But that comes through in the book.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Alex wrote, sure, yeah, and he does say that in there,
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: and they and finally kind of confirms that for all
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: of us that Jiles o'breck had said in my interview
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: that he thought Eddie was the most sensitive person he'd
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: ever met and that he chose the wrong profession. Wow,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: that's what he said. Yeah, Jazz was the first guy
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: who ever interviewed Eddie van Healen so and and so
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: I knew him from the very beginning before he was anybody.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Right, because he was he was supposed to interview who
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: is the guitarist that Jazz was supposed to interview and
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: it didn't happen. So he sees Eddie on the basketball
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: court backstage at some festival and starting whiskey and cocaine
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: guy what's his name? Yeah, well to think of it,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: but yeah, from Pat Travers. But from a musical standpoint too,
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: it's just like he rhythmically wise, he was just locked
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: with Alex too. It was like he just it's just
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: he was in the pocket every time he was playing
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: with Alex and Alex during those solos. That interplay between
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: the two, Yeah, is fascinating. What about Satriani's job playing
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: ed'slicks on that Best of All Worlds tour this past summer,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: because that became the subject of a lot of discussion.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: They showed up on Howard cern show without rehearsing I
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: think at all, and I think et cetera, and he
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: was saying latex Sam, he was just like, man, let's
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: just do it. We'll be fine. And then he was
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: a little rough. He's trying to play summer nights and
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: everybody was criticizing him. What are your thoughts on how
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: he ended up performing those songs?
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Well, you know that Howard Stern thing he got thrown
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: into the fire. You know, it was it was kind
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: of unfortunate, and you know, and and as a professional
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: guitar player, you understand how that is, you know, not
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: to be prepared and not and then have to try
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: to pull something off like that, and of what and
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: for I mean, no, none of us can really understand
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: what that's like to be at Joe's level and on
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: that show with that many people viewing him. So, yeah,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: that was a sort of a bad thing for Joe.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: But he got out of it. Joe's super cool, you know,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: and he's super relaxed and handled it so well. He
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: did handle it so well, and then when he went
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: out on tour, man it was it was fantastic. I
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: like he mixed.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: He stayed true to Eddie as far as like the
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: bones of the song, but then he put his own
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: signature style on the songs as well, which I think
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: I prefer that over you. It would be kind of
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: disrespectful to to Joe to ask him to be like
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: a cover band guitarist.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Sure, it's not a tribute band, right, Yeah. You know,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: whenever we go out on a trip do a tribute show,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: it's you try to do it as accurate as possible.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: But you know, a lot of times and a lot
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: of guys that do tribute stuff, like Frankie, Lindia or whoever,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: they still do themselves a little bit in those shows.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: You know, they still have that element of there's me
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: underneath this.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: You know, their personality comes through. Yeah, I'm looking forward
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: to this song. I think that they got one song.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I know that they've recorded and we're going to hear
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: it soon. They recorded with Sammy. Yeah, it's not Jason
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Bonham on drums. It's Aaron Off on drums and Sat Tranny.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to that. Our guest is guitarist,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: YouTube host and contributing writer for The Van Halen News Desk,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Jeff Goebel. So let's talk about your show, Van Halen's Stories.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: This can be found on your YouTube channel, Final Resonance TV.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: What are some of your favorite interviews?
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I like them all, but and the
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: reason is that they're all part of a big story. Right.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: The story that I have been trying to get to though,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: is a little bit more along the lines of what
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Greg Rinoff did in his book. You know, Greg and
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I are good buddies. We go back right to when
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: his book was released. I interviewed Greg and one of
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: my earlier podcast series called Musical Journeys, where I just
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: because I was a big fan, I just really wanted
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: to get a chance to sit down with him, and
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: we met up in Oklahoma at Caine's Ballroom, which was
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: one of the first tour stops for Van Halen, and
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: we sat on the stage where Van Halen played that
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: show in seventy eight at Caine's Ballroom. I believe it
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: was with Montrose that night and Journey was off or
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: they were Journey was doing another show where they were
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: off one or the other. So anyway, that interview really
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: set me up for Van Halen's stories, and my relationship
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: with Greg has been part of in the background. We've
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: always kind of kind of work together on guests because
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: you know, Greg's focus was the history of it, right,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: and I've kind of wanted to blend a lot of
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: what Greg did in the podcast form with people that
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: he interviewed, so he would connect me with some people,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: and then I would reach out to other people that
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: are not necessarily in that group of people, and it
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: became a blend of like early days people, contemporaries, journalist,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: people who just worked with him, knew him, knew the brothers,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: knew all the band. So it's become this kind of
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: a mix of period history, and that's kind of what
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the journey is. It's kind of on and off of
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: this Pasadena thing, right, but also mixed in with stories
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: like you know from Mark Kendall, who was actually there
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: at the time back in the day, but also a
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: contemporary out in Great White during the eighties. And then
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: you have you know, people like the guys who grew
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: up with him, like Carl Jaw and Gary Putman who
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: were in dread Zeppelin in the nineties but also grew
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: up in the backyards with Van Agel and had all
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: these stories that were amazing. So yeah, and of course
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: like George Lynch was on and George was there too,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: but also a contemporary, So it's really cool to have
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: these very guests.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Those are amazing stories. I had Mark Kendelen and he
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: was talking about seeing he lived basically down the street
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: and he saw them playing at a junkyard.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Yep, he's a dollar to get in.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's right. I've watched that interview. He did
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: a great interview with Mark that it gives you a
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: great look at Eddie and his development. A lot of
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: people would assume that maybe he was doing all those
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: things with the finger tapping right away. He was not.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Now when did that start? You know that that's the
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: craziest thing that kind of like everybody's talked about. You know,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I'm in the circle of people with Chris gill of
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: just like super fans. You know, Phil X is one
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: of the people in that circle. We talked to him
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: a lot. We'd share like things all the time about
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: you know, all these stories and there's that period though,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and I would say Greg probably was the first one
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: to kind of maybe Steve Rosen and Greg both had
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: a part in kind of uncovering the timeline of the
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: tapping and all of that. But it seems like that
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: happened within the last year before, you know, seventy seven
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: to the record, right, People were saying mid seventy seven
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: is when he started it.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Some say, who was at a Zeppelin show and saw page.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I saw, Yeah, he said that. But what I'm saying
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: is when he started to develop it and became the
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: thing that we heard on the first record was like
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: mid seventy seven he started somebody saw him in the
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: clubs doing it, and then by February when the record
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: came out, we heard it, you know, as a whole thing.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: So you're talking about a year and a half maybe
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: or less. Let's see, no less than a year. You
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: basically mid mid seventy seven, then we hear the record
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: in February, So I don't know how much he had before,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: but it seemed like the developed version we knew hit
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: in mid seventy seven and then came out on the record.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: So how far before that was he doing a little
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: tap or you know, doing something behind his back and
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: turning his back. And it's kind of hard to say,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: but I believe that mid seventy seven then came from
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: a few sources, one of them being Steve Rosen. But
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Rosen saw him in mid seven, he said, and that's
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: what he said.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Okay. Bottom line is he picked up on that and
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: just rapidly improved to the point where, like I say,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: just from a year maybe even less before that first
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: album comes out, he's starting to incorporate those into the
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: songs in the studio. It's amazing.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And there was there like a whole If you
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: go back and listen to all the bootlegs, you know,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: you'll hear that progression, all of a sudden switch from
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the guy that since we hear on the record, right,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: and you'll hear all the stuff before. There's stuff from
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: you know, high school all the way up through that,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: and there's there's this point, you know, where all of
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: a sudden, all intersects and there's not just tapping, there's
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: harmonics and the bar more and and all of those
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: things all kind of happened. But you know, that's the
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: same kind of thing where he was developing the Frankenstein
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: guitar and the Wami bar right, So he was getting
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: getting that at the same time as he was getting
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: the tapping, and it seemed like, I myriadded, those ideas
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: came together at one point to give us that seventy
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: eight Van Halen, whereas if we had him in seventy six,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: it'd been a totally different guy.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Is van Heleen won their best? Is it fair Warning?
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Is it nineteen eighty four? Is it to something during
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: the Samy years? And what do you think is.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: That's a tough question.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: It is a tough one obviously.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: You know I have a hot you know, soft spot
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: for fair warning because you know my handle years ago
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: when we were doing like all these forms I had,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: there's a form called Eddy Vanhillen dot com back then,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: and my handle was forever Unchained nineteen Well, I don't
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: know if it's nineteen eighty one then, but it's forever
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Unchained and that became my Instagram. Is my instagram today
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Forever Unchained nineteen eighty one, And so you know, I
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: at the first I thought, I really want to celebrate
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: eighty one on that, but it's become kind of a
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: deposit for every kind of weird, oddball photo you can
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: think of that we ever seen, you know, But for
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: the records, god Man first album and Fair Warnings, that's
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: that's a draw to me.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: If you were to asked Eddie, he would say Fair
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Warningly that was a that was the ultimate representation of
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: who he was and who he felt the band was.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: That was where he finally got a chance to express
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: himself completely. Or he did get his own studio fifteen
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: fifty and I think you could say that more for
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four, but that was where he was finally
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: able to do some more things like sneaking into the
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: studio with Don Landy and doing some stuff without Templeman
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: there and Dave there.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Sure, eighty four, you know, obviously eighty four was kind
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: of a culmination, you know, for Alex kind of says
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: in his book, you know, that was the call for him.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: That was the culmination kind of of their desires to
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: get certain sounds to come across a certain way, and
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: all of that kind of came together for him then.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: But you know, Eddie, like you said, at eighty one
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: was when he really got to kind of experimental and
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: some of his most genius work. You know, from a
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: musician standpoint, that's why musicians are and guitar players always
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: go back to Fair Warning because we're listening to it
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: as a musician, listening for the unique lines and you know,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: things like dirty Movies. You know this crazy descending line
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: and songs like on that. You know, you have main
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Streets and you have Unchained, which are just these amazing songs,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: but you have the entire album with littered with different
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: types of material that just sender swaying saying you know
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: something like that. I mean, it's just so different.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Book on Rock Podcasts will be back after this lunch.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Lizzie Hale from Hailstorm was just saying, and I put
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: the article up on VHND the other night about her
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: saying that Women and Children first best Van Hilen album period,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: as she put it, quote unquote, and you could make
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: an argument for that too. I mean a song like
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Well wrote that is one of my all time favorite
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Van Hilen songs, Uh say the way with some One's
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Dog better Save the Women and Children. I mean that
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: that's I mean, that's Dave's influence on that.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, and even Eddie liked it. You know,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: if you read back through some of the books, Eddie
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: talks about that session and and how they it was
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Dave's idea, but they he enjoyed that cover. Could this
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: be magic in our life? Yeah, couldn't be magic, you know.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: And he also like enjoyed the fact that his father
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: played on Diver Down, you know, and he enjoyed that
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: whole song Big Bad Bill yep, And uh so there
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: that's something that to me made Van Hillen so different
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: was they could do a Big Bad Bill in the
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: middle of you know, everything else that they did and
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I'm the one, I mean, I'm the one and a
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: big Bad Bill and could this be magic? I mean,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: this is a band that's totally different than any band
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: that we've ever heard before. You think of any of
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: the bands from that period in the metal genre, you're
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: gonna kind of hear a similar style per song that's
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: going to be sorted out one lane, where Van Helen
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: is not in any lane ever.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Which is why I say to people, you got to
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: hear the whole body of work. A lot of songs
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: that they've heard on the radio, but you really got
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: to listen to the complete albums one after the other.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: That was a great time discovering Van Haleen for the
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: first time, just getting each album. I go to Strawberry
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Strawberry Records and get get a few more cassettes, get
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Van Helen one and two. Next time around Women and
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Children first fair where I go chronologically because I discovered
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: them in eighty eight through well you well fifte fifty
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: it was Christmas Eve of eighty eight and then oh
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: you one two. But then it will go back and
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: collect them all. And if you could only go back
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: to that, you know, because you can only experience that
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: once hearing those albums for the first time.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Right, I was just thinking about what you were saying,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: because it started out for me hearing the song on
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: don Kershner's unchained, right, And so here I go to
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: the music's door to find it. Right. I kind of
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: remember what the name of the song was, right, But
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I have no idea about anything else. Remember, this is
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: like we don't know anything but what that one thing
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: we saw or heard on the radio. You walk in
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: the record store, you start flipping through the records, and
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: you don't even know which one it is really unless
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you kind of And I was kind of like, do
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I guess it? Where's that song? Right? And I'm looking
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: at the and I couldn't find it, man, And I
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: flipped over the back of what I know is diver
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Down Today, right, and on the back are pictures from
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the Fair Warning.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Tour ye the Stones, right.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, and I'm thinking to myself, this must
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: be the album. It's the pictures that matched the the video,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: and of course it's not. But but you know, I
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: stick it out and it's you know, you get you know,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: we're all the good times going out of the gate,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: you know, that swell and just the whole vibe. Man,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: it was like, wow, this is a pretty this is
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: a pretty cool record too, you know. And then I
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: went back it.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Really it's that moment of hearing Eddie for the first
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: time and those songs for the first time. You're like,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: what is this am I listening to?
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: My older brother he said, I said, oh, manfteen and
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: fifty two. And my older brother's like, okay, you need
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: to hear this, you know, And he had one and
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: two on vinyl. So we dropped the needle and he goes,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: this is van Aalen, you know, and that was just
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: like that moment of WHOA. Speaking of nineteen eighty four,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: you were at the location for the Hopper Teacher video.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: That's maybe my favorite video that you did. What are
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: some of your standout moments from those episodes, because you
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: did a lot of excite videos.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I did this. I call it the
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Van Healen Trails. When I first called it, I started
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: going to Pasadena, man like to see these sites probably
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, really before almost when Facebook was in
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: its infancy, and I was doing some videos back then
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: of these sites. And so as this whole thing kind
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: of developed, I thought, you know, with Greg, it's in
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: my kind of liking of the history. And now we're
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: vlogging and we're doing podcasts, it seemed like I should
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: document these places again and keep finding new ones. And
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: so out of those places, you know, you've got the
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: van the van Halen where they wrote their name on
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Allen Street next to the liquor store. They actually wrote
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: it twice. Most people don't know that, but people see
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: the one where it's written and it's clear and it
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: just says van Halen, right. But down from the one
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: that says van Halen, there's a like greened Over Spot
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: where they wrote Van Allen w Van Hallen or something
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: like that, where they because it's on Allen right and
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: they wrote that. And then if you go look around there,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: somebody wrote night put seventy eight in the and if
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: you really look around you can see Rudy name, you know,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: really Rudy Learyan and from the early days. You know.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Then I went up to all the parks where they played.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: You see those pictures of them playing in parks.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it could. There's pictures in Greg's book about.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Victory part remember Alex about that talks about the fight
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: that broke out right. They're in his book that is
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: at Victory, I believe up in it's a little ways
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: from it's Hasting Ranch, I believe it is. And it's
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: up up in one of the neighborhoods. It's kind of
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: up there. It's just a big, super flat area up there.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: And apparently they used to have all their little get
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: togethers out in these places like they were like football
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: fields almost and they're just wide open spaces.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Is Walter Miitti still around.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think that is.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I doubt it, because that would be a cool place
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: to check out but it's probably.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. And and what was it we were
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: talking about when you were talking about Mark Kendall, That
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: was that place I had that that was so popular
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: back then that they all went George Lynch one day.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I can't remember right off the top, but it's a
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: church now around.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: But it's church, But those are like Walter Mitti's is
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: one of those hole in the wall bars that Van
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Halen played in those early days.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Whiskey's probably the only place that that stands out to
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Ma's place. It still exists, yep.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Around you were at the site of the famous parachute
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: entrance by Van Halen Anaheim. Yeah, you were at. You've
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: been by Eddie's childhood home a few times and that
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: what's amazing to me about that is that it's still
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: there and it looks almost it's pretty much identical. I
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: don't even know if they even painted over the damn thing.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: It looks it's the same. And I think maybe it
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: was in your video where they were saying that if
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: you were to look inside of the garage, I think
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: you could still see some of the spots where Eddie
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: was spray painting over.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, black over spray and red overspry. Yeah, it's there
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: were pictures that cycled years ago, I want to say
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. There were photos inside of it where
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: you saw the overspray. Now, you know, do we really know?
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: We don't because Greg said, you know, in his book,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: or at least with his research, that or two peop
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: had been by the house when he was painting guitars
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: and they witnessed him hanging them on the clothes lines
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: out back with his mom's his mom's laundry. Wow, so
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: apparently you know that was the thing. And then also,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: you know the boiling strings thing that was also brought
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: up because somebody I interviewed was there when he was
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: doing it.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's that story for those who aren't familiar with that,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: the boiling strings?
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you when you it was to kind of
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: like make them stay more in tune. You'd boil the
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: strings to stretch them. And he used to do it
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: on his mom's stove in the kitchen. And Tom Broderick,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: who was their first, one of their early roadies but
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: also one of their first probably the first sound man
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: front of house man. Tom was there when he was
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: doing this one day and he said his mom was
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: just kind of standing over there waiting for him to
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: get done with the strings.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: What would be a great video is Alex going back
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: to that house. Yeah, you know, having the owners just
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: say yeah, come on in, walk through. Yeah.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know what's true. What's true about it
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: is it has been walked through many times because it
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: is a rental, not a.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: It's not only or it's a rental.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, as far as I know, now, I did some
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: research on it. I found out when it was sold.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: As far as I know, it's not been sold again.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: It was sold to her from his mom, and I
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: think it was eighty six. Some of it gets a
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: little foggy, but there's documentation on all real estate stuff,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: you know, so anyway it gets sold, it ends up
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: in this rental company. It's still, as far as I know,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: still part of it. But as they had transitioned renters,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: people were let in to tour it who wanted to.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Well, it really should just be turned into a historical
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: landmark at this point. I mean, it's you know, it
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: really should be. I think it's a matter of time
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: before that.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: It's crazy because if you look at what what it
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: sold for was like one hundred and thirty thousand back
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: in eighties. It's worth a million dollars now. Yeah, sure,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: booked on rock podcasts will be back after this. I've
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: seen this as you know what it is. It's a
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: forty seven year old version Hit the Run of his Base.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: But Thomas picking a banana Brocoli shakes thing and I'm
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: an Oscar Mayo wing.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: If you had to pick a mount Rushmore of guitarists,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: you got to pick four guys split up there, you
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: know you got Eddie with the other three.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: That's tough because I'll get a lot of crap for this.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Personal favorites, I mean personal fai Okay, personal favorites. I mean,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: if you're doing historical and straight up, let's just do
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: it both ways. Straight up historical Eddie Hendricks probably clapped in.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: You know, that's really hard after that because you got Beck,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: you know, you got Jimmy Page. I mean, it's hard
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: to give you four or five. I mean those guys,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Pat you know obviously the first Blues guys you know
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: clapped in the page back Hendrix and Van Halen for
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: me are the you know, Mount Rushmore plus one or
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: whatever for personal favorites. Now the top four say, you know,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: obviously the first two for me were Eddie and George Lynch,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: And I got to tell George that he was, you know,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: him and Eddie were like they were my constant swapping
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: one in two throughout the period. Like I said, in
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the nineties when Sammy or late eighties when Sammy came in,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Lynch was making this transition out of docin or actually
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: in eighty seven they came out with Back for the Attack,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: which is a very heavy album for them, and then
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: he makes this transition into Lynch Mob, which is even heavier. Right,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm more focusing on George at this point because
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: of where he's going musically, and Eddie's kind of going
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: this malonic rout. So that's why George was kind of
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: like they were always kind of like the two guys.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Because when I saw Unchained, I thought, this is the
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: coolest guitar style that I've ever heard, right, And I
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: thought to myself, there's got to be another guy like this,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: you know, there's got to be another guy. And then
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I saw Dowkins video for Breaking the Chains and that
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I was like, there's a guy who has a stripey guitar.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: This tied Tiger stripe and that sound, that Marshall sound, right.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: So I started to kind of focus in on this
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: through those two guys, and then later, you know, I
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: became a big fan of Ingvay because he was a
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: game changer as a guitar player. And out of those
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: see Steve Vie. Of course Ingvay, Gary Moore was big
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: for me, you know. And there's some guys that I
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: really like, like Michael Schenker that or wouldn't be in
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: your your top ten of normal people's, but they're for me.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Davi has had a lot of great guitarists, Stevie vae
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: one of them. Are you a fan of Dave solo,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Sammy solo? How much are you into their I.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Was pretty pretty into Sammy solo. We used to in fact,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: part of our show with the fan Heal and Tribute
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: was to do one Way to Rock and Can't Drive
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: fifty five?
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Because what do you think of Sammy as a guitarist?
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I thought, I think he's guitarist. You know, he's not
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: an Eddie van Hillen, but he's a good guitarist. Takes
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: great little leads and they're very malonic, you know, those
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: some of those solos are great that he does live.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if he did recorded those at
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the time in the eighties because they had Gary Fiel
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: from Boston at the time, but uh, Sammy solo albums.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: I loved them, and like I said, we play you
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: know that play those two songs from But the reason
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: we play them is because Van Halen did them live.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: You know we did. They did Can Drop fifty five
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: and they did One Way to Rock live. Yeah, so
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: in our tribute all the time, that's okay to play
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: the songs that they played as for them covers. But
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: but you know, part of the headlong.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Rapid fire here regarding Van Hillen. Favorite Van Hilen album,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: it's fair warning, Yeah, fair warning, favorite Van Hilen song unchanged,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: most underrated Van Hilen song.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Oh God, that's tough. I think here about it later
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: is that's a good one. I love it.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: And if you were to introduce something went to Van
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Halen and you had to start with one song that's
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: like the perfect gateway song that would want them to
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: listen to more Van Helen, what would it be and why?
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean I would say eruption, but that's not
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: really a you know, it's a solo, not so much
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: a song. So I was, man, it's really hard to
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: say when you're trying to get you're trying to sell
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: somebody on Van Halen. But I I let my singer
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: who doesn't she's much younger, she's in her twenties, and
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I said, you have to listen to this song. It
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: was the one song I thought she needed to hear,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: and it was I'm the One. Wow, because I thought,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: you know, the breakdown where it goes into the multipolar harmony,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: the way the swing is, the amazing guitar solo, the
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: final runs he does it's all. It's everything that I
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: love about Eddie Van Halen. I think that's why he
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: just does it all in that song.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in my top ten Van Haleen songs. I'm
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: the One is one of my favorites. And when they
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: brought it back when Dave returned in seven, it was
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: so great to hear again.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just and just to throw that on her as
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: a deep cut and go you never heard this, but
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I want you to hear this. It's such a you know,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: amazing tune.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I think on Chain would be for me. I'd be like, Okay,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: listen to this. If you don't want to hear more
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: after this, then you might be brain dead, because this
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: is Van Halen right here.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, because you know, I think that you have
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: that there's that touch the templeman. It's a sort of
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: vision of them being sort of a vocal group, almost
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: like a Beach Boys mixed in and that's sort of
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: what you get for a minute of a barber shop
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: quartet in the middle of that break. Yeah, And so
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: for her as a singer, I wanted to kind of
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: show her the singing part as much as a guitar part.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: You know, it's cool about that. My dad, the dad
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: was born in nineteen thirty nine, so he grew up
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: on a whole different era of music, and that was
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: the one song that he took to. And I can't
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: recall if it was on the radio or whatever. I
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: just remember the day distinctly, being a teenager and he goes,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: what's that? But and he loved it. He loved that
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: that he connected with that. He goes, I like that,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: The swing goes back so far, you know, it's generator
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: goes so back so far in time, and that that's
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: kind of one of the things that Van even when
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Van Helen brought that out, swing was an older thing, right, yeah,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: and it's to come through their music was such a
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: unique feature.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Booked on rock Podcasts. We'll be back after this.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Be right back with a snack, Jack Go Go away.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: We segue into rock books and we'll start with Alex's
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: recent book Brothers. What are your thoughts on the book?
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I thought it had some really good parts in especially
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: when it was you know, for me as looking into
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: his early days, the early childhood. He mentioned the house
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: before the house, the house before the house that you're
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: talking about, which I actually went to on my vlog
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: and showed the the kind of the original house they
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: moved into when they came to stay for a while.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: You know, it took a couple of years before they
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: ended up at Los Lunas, So there was that house.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: There might have been another that they rented, but there
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: was one in particular on Oakland Street, I think it
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: is in Pasadena that they shared with other families. It's
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: a fairly a large house, but it had like three
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: families in it and they were covered kind of the
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: back smaller apartment. So when he brought that up, you know,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: that kind of confirmed some of the things that I've
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: been I've been researching and that Greg had already researched.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: He kind of actually addressed some of those things that
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: that I had already kind of went and found out
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: through all the different sources in his book. So it
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: was cool for him to kind of like tell those
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: things that I kind of already found out, but were
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the small details that people don't know, And so that
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: was great to see him do that, you know, talk
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: about the coming over. You know, I thought his book
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: mostly focused on his father. You know, yeah, a lot
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: about his father. He didn't so much walk moms. That
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: seems to be a point with those two. I mean,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I think they loved their mom, but she
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: was tough on them, and I don't know how tough actually,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of you know, the talking wolf.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: He's behind the music with Valerie. There's this sort of
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: hidden family things that are going on there. I think, remember, right,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: they don't they don't bring them totally out, but but
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: you can kind of connect the doubts yourself.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: He was alluding to some kind of abuse that went
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: on and how that affected both of them.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, he Alex says it in there, and
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: she called him a nothing nut and whatever. He said
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: that We said that, of course, but you know, you
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: think of that as just sort of like, you know,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: something that doesn't wouldn't be abusive, more more like ribbing,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: you know, than than trying to hurt you. And maybe
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: it was just ribbing, you know, or maybe that's just
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: the way his mom was. But but as Jazz said,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: he was a very sensitive guy. As his brother says
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: in the book, he was a super sensitive guy, and
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: so he didn't probably and I think he mentions that
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: in his book that he didn't take that well.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Alex always felt like he needed to be the protector
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: for Eddie.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Which I wonder maybe that's why that's why that Sammy
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: years aren't in there, maybe because of that Samu rovers
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: But everybody's speculating, but Alex has said nothing. He hasn't
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: said nothing other than those are the years that are
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: the most special, that meant the most to me in
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: terms of that was when we were on the rise
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: and we were hungry to make it and then we
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: made it. So I don't know, a lot of people
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: are just taking it as a slight towards Sammy that
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: he left that out. I don't know what to make
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: of that. I don't know if you can say that.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Well, the brothers, you know, they always felt like Sammy
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: was bringing to Van Halen too much, you know, like
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: he was overplaying that. And you know, he has been
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: very vocal about his time and talks about Van Haalen
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: a lot, and you know, I never felt like he
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: didn't have the right to go on that tour, this
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: last tour, and because these were his songs. I mean,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: he was a co writer, he was a co member.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: He saved that band. Yeah, I mean, to be truthful,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: to have the kind of success they had a second
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: go round, I think they learned from Sharon how hard,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: how rare that would be, right, because even though Sharon
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: had had his big moments and Van Halen three just
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: didn't work at that time. I mean, there was that
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: other album that's not ever been released that we know about,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: the follow up, the follow up, and I heard a
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: little bit of that and it's better.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but uh, you know, you got to remember that
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Sammy Hagar, he overstates it a good bit when he
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: says I was as big as Van Halen when I
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: joined him, I know, right, okay, and I saw more
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: records than David Lee Roth. These are clear over statements, right,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: So that kind of thing probably rose people wrong. But
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: on the other side of that coin, now absolutely who
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: else could have done what he did?
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Well think about when people say if only with Gary,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: maybe they just went out and tore first then recorded
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: an album, it would have been much better. But I say, well,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: they didn't do that with Sammy. So in defense of Sammy,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: they didn't have to do that. He stepped in, they
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: wrote the music, the album went to number one, and
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: there was some kind of chemistry there. And I mean
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: he's filling some huge shoes. I mean sure, Well, you
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: got to think it was the biggest front band in.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Rock and roll, and I think the only band, well,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: there's probably a couple of bands, but the one band
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: that really stands out in my mind that that had
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: that same transition, who made that almost that same level,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: but not even not quite that ac DC made that transition, right,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: you know, Bond Scott and ac DC were a big
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: band when Brian Johnson had to take over. Were they
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: as big as Vana Helen when Hagar? Probably not that
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: big because Van Halen was one of the biggest bands
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: in the world. I mean ac DC was close. I mean,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but Bon Scott's era it really
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: blew up after Back in Black. So it's very similar though,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: because I mean, who are you going to get to
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: replace Bon Scott? You know, and Brian Johnson walks in
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: you just you got you had the perfect storm in
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: both situations to continue these careers. And in ac DC's situation,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: they're still going.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Hasn't that amazing? Yeah, they're back out on tour. They've
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: got some dates lined up, they're coming around our way
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: here in New England. It really is amazing.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Yep, I'll be in Nashville for that.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: You need to go see him.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Nice book podcasts.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Will be back after this. So what are some of
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: the other books you've read that stand out for you? You
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: said you've read a few Hendrick's books, right, Yeah.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I've delved into his books and some of the different books,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: you know, all the kind of behind the scenes again,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: it's sort of the story of the artist who wants
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: to be the artist and doesn't pay too much attention
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: to the business and then really false prey to the
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: substance abuse that to escape it.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Very similar to Eddie right, very similar, sensitive guys, very humble,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: kind of put in his position where they're looked at
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: as rock gods and guitar GUIDs, and it's not really
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: something they wanted.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's interesting. There was some history about
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: behind Hendrix that I didn't know about, which this is
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: something that probably most people don't know about because it
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: kind of connects to my local scene. We had some
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: promoters in our town called Larry Vonn and Tony Raffino.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Tony Raffino Larry Vaughn were actually instrumental in Hendricks getting
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: a bigger cut at the door and changing the industry
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: to where the artist had the power on the live shows.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that, but that all happened around Hendrix
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: and around his tourists and around these two promoters. So
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Hendricks was they were able to do some things financially
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: that they had never been done. But I think that,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: you know, you had the handlers around Hendricks, and it's
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: hard to say what happened with the Hendricks, you know,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: whether he really did drink himself to death more or less,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: or or what other foul play, I'm not sure.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the story is maybe yeah, because his manager
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: was involved in some some dark stuff, and I think
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: that Jimmy was ready to part ways with him and
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: that they feel like I think maybe he orchestrated the
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: whole thing.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I tell you what, I had a chance to sit
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: down with Janey Hendricks, his his yeah, not his biological daughter,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: but who runs his entire estate. Yes, at the NAM show. Dude.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I had seen her at a thing in Nashville and
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to her. And I never did
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: get up with her there, and I swear it's the
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: weirdest thing, but I had thought about this for a
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: long time what I like to talk to her about.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: And I'm at the NAMN Show. I'm sitting there in
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: the lobby and some guy comes over to me, goes,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: you mind if this my lady friend sits next to
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: you And I look over and it's Janie Hendricks and
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: I'm like, of course not. I said, I know who
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: you are. And anyway, she sits down. I said, you know, Janie,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: I said, I'd love to ask you some questions. You
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: have a minute to talk to me? And she said sure.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: So we started talking. But my first question was how
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: come there's never been a Hendrix's biopic and music his
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: music included in it, you know.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Right, because there was one that did not have his music.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: The license music in it with Andre was at three
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: thousand or whatever.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: I never saw it.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't heard, but it was a pretty good movie.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Pretty good movie, but you know, you don't have any
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: music in it.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: But there really should be one like that, like the
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: ones they've been doing recently. I'm Bob Dylan and Queen
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: et cetera.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: How beautiful, right, beautiful jobs? Right and van Halen when
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: it comes to time, no, I can't wait, right, right?
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Should happened? So the Hendricks thing came down to the
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: company there actually were in negotiations to do one. They
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: the company that they were working with in Hollywood changed
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: hands to foreign owned and they were no longer interested
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: in working with the foreign owned So it was close
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: to happening. Yeah, foreign owned country that you know is
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: pretty well established in America. So anyway, they made that,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: they made that decision. But it's been a while, I
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: think but she she just didn't know the people, but
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I think she knew the people in the other situation,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: and it was more comfortable with the deal. They were
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: making and then when it changed hands, she didn't want
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: to make the deal and walked away from it. And
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: she then she said, you know, we're about to come
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: out with the Maui Hendricks box set, which we know
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: that you know when that came out.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. How many how many releases have posthumously
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: been released. It's amazing because the guy was only around
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: for a few years. It just was you think, a
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: monster in the studio and on the road performing.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: It's amazing, right, Like, you know, she was there for
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: the guitars and stuff that year. You know what she
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: does is she goes out and she partners with Fender,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: say to put out a specific Hendricks model that year.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's a It did a purple strat one year
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: they did, of course the one I just got, which
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: is the the Flying V that was the that was
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: at that bit, the thing with the Van Henley guitar.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: We're both side by side at that thing in New
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: York than that Play It Loud exhibition. So yeah, she's
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: always involved in those business transactions and decisions. And we
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: talked about a new park they had opened up for
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Hendricks and Seattle, and we had a little nice little conversation.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: It was really cool. And you know, it's one of
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: those things you just what they call it, the power
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: of law of attraction. You like kind of think something
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: and then it kind of like happens, and you meditate
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: on it and it sort of happens, and that's what happened.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: That was the weirdest thing.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Maybe you know, obviously I'm in a good spot to
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: be in the right moment, the right place at the
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: right time, but it's just so weird that she walks
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: right over to me. And that's great, that's great. I
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: envy you.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, his brother is his brother is Yeah, he is alive. Yeah,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: And he's done interviews over the years so on the
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: books that haven't been written that you would like to
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: see written. And you sent some of your answers my
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: way ahead of time, a Don Landee van Halen focused book.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: And I think Greg Runoff would be the guy for
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: that job. I know he's working on something. I have
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: no idea. Maybe you know, I don't know, okay, because
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe this is what he's working on. I
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: don't know, because Greg did an interview with Don and
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: it was published. But that would be a great book,
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: and then then just this would be strictly the nuts
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: and bolts of these songs and how they were recorded
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: and what went into them for you guys like you
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: and I would be fascinated with that stuff. Man, I
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: would be delighted to have a book like that come out. Greg.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Are you listening?
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Is Greg? Greg? Yeah? Yeah? You know. I don't know
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: if I've said it to him in any text or anything,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: you know, like are you know? And I never asked
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: him are you? But if you are? You know, if
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: you were well?
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: And Don doesn't do a lot of interviews, he did
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: one with Greg, so he felt comfortable enough to do.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, the combination that he worked with
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Ted and that the way that he told the first
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: historical part of it, you know, and his credentials as
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: a history professor. You know, he's he's the guy to
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: really dig and do the due diligence and and I
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: think that that's the attraction to having Greg. I mean,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: he's a great graded that. I mean, that first book
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Van Allen rosy Man amazing, Like that's like one of
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: my bibles, you know, even today, go back with this
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: one and spend time researching things that I'm working on
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: myself as I go to Pasadena every year. That's become
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: a thing for me. Every year after NAM I go
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: to the Pasadena area, stay in town, learn the town,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: to try to understand the depth of it. I was
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: gonna say one more thing before you get into the
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: next thing. There is a book that's being written and
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: I'll give a little short shout out to Her name
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: is Fleur and I can't even say her last name, Lur.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: She's from Australia. She's got a book coming out. You
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: might be familiar with it, but she's the girl who
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: did all of the eighties clothing design, including Van Halen.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think I know. She's done interviews before.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I think a little bit, a little bit of y.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: But she's got a book coming out. Oh that's great.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Her and I have been talking and she's going to
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: be on the podcast. I'm pretty sure we have. We
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: almost did it before the end of the year, but
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: they were having some wildfire down to Australia and stuff
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: that couldn't she could. She had to get, you know,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: get out of there. But basically she was the one
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: who was responsible for physical the outfit for physical for
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: living in John Wow, that was her. And she also
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: did Elton John and Rod Stewart. She has a huge
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: catalog of people she worked with.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: But so she's got a book coming out. Yes, well,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: you know she could come here and of course that book,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: she's got an open invite, make sure she does.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: But if you think about if you think about White
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Snake and that era of clothing, then you know her
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: her style. Remember that. I used to always say there
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: was one clothing designer we all went to. Well, it's
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: got to be her.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: It's got to be her, It's got to be her.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, she was over at his house. Yeah.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: But in fact, she's posted her notes from meeting with
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Roth and even I think even a letter from Wroth
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: that that he gave her sent her because she was
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: called over to to his house to you know, work
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: on design.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: The mansion in Pasadena.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so she's been there, done that. And she knew
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Eddie from seventy eight on, so she knew him early early.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: So I don't know how much detail we're going to
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: get into which outfits she might have been involved in,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: but I would love to find out where the jumpsuits
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: and all these things were. These Van Halen Creations or
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: where there's somebody else.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Paul Stanley. I wonder if she worked with Paul Okay,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: he had some wild ones Maori whether who wants to
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: be lonely? That that video and he's got the I
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: squear it's hurt green and pink and.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Look through your photos on her Instagram.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: I'll send you a link. But yeah, it is like
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Her career is.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Amazing and she's gonna be happy to know that I'm
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: talking about her new book. Nice.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Those are the people that have all the great stories
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: that you don't hear enough of, Like I know, like
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: the woman who the artist who who did the artwork
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: for the nineteen eighty four cover. You know that story
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: like on her name right now. But like, those are
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: the people that they give you these stories that you
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: don't hear enough about. Like I was over Christmas watching
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: a Christmas story and I always say, I'm like, you
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: see that little kid there next to the the two
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: bullies with a red the tall redhead and the little
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: kid there that's Giano and Aya and he was the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: little Michael Anthony and have her teacher get out of here,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: you know, And He was also in a Better Off
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Dead I want my two dollars Jhanna and I Yeah,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: let's talk about Dave a little bit more because you
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: say you would like another book from Dave, but a
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: serious book quote unquote serious. Now, I think I know
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: where you're going this because it's crazy from the heat.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. I mean, it's like you're trying to follow.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: You're inside of Dave's brain, and it's sometimes you're you're
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: not sure where we're going, but you do. You want
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: to just see Dave really put aside the Diamond Dave
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: persona and just yeah, get real.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Because he does. He can I know he can't have
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: heard it. People have told me they have these real
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: conferences with him. Ralph from Steel Panther told me that
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: that he was Diamond Dave one time he was with
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: him and the other time he was regular person Dave.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: And he can do this. He can be that guy.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: And there's also there's one clip I don't know if
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: you've ever seen it, or Dave's showing the cover the
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Van hellm Won and he's talking about it, talking about
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: the an from.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety one you talk about.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Because he Yeah, I think so.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: He's leaning on the hood of his car and he's
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: going through all them. He's like a grab bag and
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: he's picking them out.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, So you know, at that moment, he's
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: actually telling the story about the album cover where they
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: shot it. You know, the kind of things that we
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: talk about. I know he can do it, but he's dying.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: He has to drop into Diamond Dave all.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: The time because there's a side of him obviously that
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: Alex seems to appreciate because reading the book, it's it's like,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: who knew Buddy is from back in the day. Well,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: he was the first He's the first guy he called
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: after he passed away.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: I know, it's crazy. Do you think about think about
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: that video they made during Different Kind of Truth where
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: they all sat down and they had those downtown sessions, right,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: and Dave goes into all these discussions, including the necklace
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: and the whole you know a little bit of the
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: management stuff and their paychecks and they kind of reminisce.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: It's a very short thing, but man, there's so much
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: detail that we would all love to know. Like if
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: I had Alex on for instance, I would really dig
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: for those things that we want to know that. I mean,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: I see those other interviews and I'm like, yeah, you know,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: but what about the deeper story, because yeah, you're doing
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: the high level, you know thing, but we want to know,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: you know, the first home details. We want to know
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: about Lost Luna's. We want to know what that was
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: like for you guys. What was that neighborhood? Like, what
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: was that like going to Day's house the first time?
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: When you guys live in this little home versus this gigantic,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: ginormous mansion. What did you think that they believe Roth?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously they they talk a little bit about
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: him and that out of that context, but did they
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: were they shocked by his wealth and the difference in
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: their their lives?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: I wonder too, before these interviews are conducted, are they saying,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: don't ask him about Sammy because that they're not asking him.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: If they do, they kind of word it carefully, like
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: I noticed you stop at the year in nineteen eighty five.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: It'd say, wait a minute. These guys must be like
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: dying to ask the question like do you have a
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: problem with Sammy? What's what's going on? But they never asked.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: They never asked that. It's always worded carefully. So I wonder,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: As far as I can find out, is it has
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: to do with the whole thing with you know, we
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: all know the story about how Cobo Wobbo changed hands.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: They sold, they sold their share, Sammy took it. It
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: was kind of not doing well and then all of
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: a sudden it blew up yep, and they kind of
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: felt slided by that that he'd been They might have
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: been used, and I don't think that's what happened. I
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: just think he got better people down there, and timing
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: was right. And for Sammy it seems like, you know,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: like a lot of people, I know, they're just lucky people.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: He falls into these wonderful situations.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: He said it, look, guys, I had no idea what
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: was going to happen with this place, because it was
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: it was on the verge of extinction. Before all of
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: a sudden it took off.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Of course, Kyle was taken off, you know, around the
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: it took off too, So you know, he just I
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: think he just like right time, right place, you know.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: And then the whole tequila thing kind of came out
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: of different I think, kind of different thoughts about you know,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: how Buffett kind of made his music a lifestyle music,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: and then Kenny Chesney kind of copied that idea, and
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: then Taikar was like, well why not me, you know,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: and it turned out to be huge, you know. But
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: there was no guarantees any of that would work for him,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: but it did.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Podcasts will be back after this.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: We'll waiting.
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  Speaker 2: One last book you'd like to see written, a book
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: from the inner circle of Van Helen with guys like
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Terry Kilgore, Yah, which would be great. Terry kilgar is
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: on Your Filthy Little Mouth by Dave and that's dave
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  Speaker 2: solo album and he goes back to the early days.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Terry. You know, we talked about this a lot,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: but I've been trying to get Terry on and you know,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: I think Terry is like an unsung hero in this story,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: just like Chris Holmes is is in the background of
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: this detail of Van Halen. There's there's a few wasp Yeah,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Chris Holmes of Wasp. To me and to a lot
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: of people that watch, Terry Kilgore and Chris Holmes are
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: the two guys they want to know, they want to
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: know better, and they want to hear their story. And
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: you know, my My thing is like this, where you
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: get a little bit of background about me and how
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: where I come from. That's what I want to do
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: with Kilgore. I want to get a more detail about
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: when did you start playing guitar? What led you to
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: that place? You know, what was your influences? Was it Cream,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: was it Clapton? Was it? What was it? And how that?
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: Then it intersects with Edward and eventually ends up with
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: him in Ross band. You know, there's a there's a
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: wonderful story there that no one knows.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wonder I'd love to know what his
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: thoughts are on getting the opportunity to be on an
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: album with Dave. But it doesn't pan out the way
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: it did with previous guitarists. It didn't launch him the
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: way it launched Stevie Vai.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because it's.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: Unfortunate because he's a really good guitarist.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: But really, you know, that was at what year was
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: it though? That was at ninety four? Yeah, so there
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: you go. You know, that's when everything just hit bottom
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: with grunge, and it's just that it so fell out
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: of vogue that there was I mean, it's all about timing.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: We just talked about Hagar the Right Time, Right Place man.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: But you know, even for it really didn't matter how
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: calendar you were as a guitar player. At ninety three,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: it was done, you know, and Van Halen carefully navigated
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: their way, Like Sammy says, we were scared of Alison Chan,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: so he brought him on tour with us so he
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: can gather some of their fans.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: They were one of the few bands that survived and
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: thrived along with Aerosmith as you had into the nineties.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: Like I would say, a song like right Now was
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: a huge, a huge moment for them because I think
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: it pushed him forward. But then, as we know, by
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: the mid nineties, all that fell apart.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: You know, remember like bon Job was so popular in Europe.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: You know that that that van Halen opened for bon
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: joby and Europe, right, They had done so well over there,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: and so when the grungier hit, bon Job really took
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: a hit except for a couple of the songs that
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: he did on soundtracks or whatever. Other than that, you know,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: great songs off that Keep the Faith album I think
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: was ninety five.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: That was ninety I was in college at the time,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: so that's ninety two right in there, Yeah, right before
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: the change.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so so bon Joby kind of took this
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: downward turned, but Van Helen happened to, like you said,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: they were able to navigate that period and still keep going,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: you know, until ninety eight. And you know that was
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: just maybe the momentum that carried the plus this, you know,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: the smart moves they made with working along. You know,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: they were an original that helps h So they Aerosmiths,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: you know, aerosmith was smart, and they started getting outside
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: writers and killing it on MTV and they got some
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: you know, some great actresses on their videos and yeah,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Steven's white or Steven's daughter, and they made iconic videos
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: that helped, just like they did in the eighties.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember bon Jovi. The only way they can
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: get on the radio and an MTV were ballads for
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: for a while there. Yeah, sure, strictly ballads. That was
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: they were getting on the radio stations that were like
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: the light favorite station, and I was like, wow, this
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: is strange. And then in the late nineties when they
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: had It's My Life, that's made a bit of a comeback.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's rock and roll band, and you know, look,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: now they're just you know, he's still as iconic as ever.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: It's amazing like some of the bands that have been
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: able to transverse all that ac DC be in one
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: of those bands, Aerosmith up till recently. You know what
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: the problems that what happened some of those bands, the
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: originals made it. They made it through it all somehow.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: And Van Halen did you know twenty fifteen they were
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: still out there and they would still be out there.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: You know, have we not lost dead?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: No one van Halen fan could see what was coming
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: in the second half of the nineties. They were unstoppable.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: It was like it was like being a fan of
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: the New England Patriots in the two thousands. He just
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: expected them to be number one. You expected them to
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: to be the band.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what happened?
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute. They they're not getting along the sandy
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: like they were all they were buds.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: They were like this, they were like yeah when they
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: first met and for the it was a honeymoon for
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: a while there. You know, they were incredible together with me.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: They're inviting Dave back in. I thought they hated, right,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: what's going on?
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Well? And then you know, Alex's book is just such
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: like you know, like, Wow, I didn't really realize he
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: liked Dave that much, right, Like like you said, you
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: know and respected Dave. I mean obviotually we you and
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: I respect Dave.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: I love Dave, loved to have a huge Dave fan. Yeah.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: I can see his you know, downfalls, or maybe they're
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: not downfalls at all, that his personality is so crazy,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: that it's so eccentric that we don't can't get a
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: straight answer from him. He's the he's the riddler, you know, He's.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I just I just wondered. Maybe he doesn't
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: think that we would be interested in Dave Roth, that
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: all we want to hear is diamond Dave. But that's
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: not the case, not for folks like us.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a video that some I don't know
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: how this happened, but they Wroth in his house with
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: some I think it's Japanese interviewers, and he's sort of
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: staying in that lane and yeah, and there's also a
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: few others where he stays in the lane with like
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan or whoever. Where he's I mean for a minute,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: I mean not.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: The whole the whole time, but.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Here and there he he's a great storyteller and if
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: he could just you know, hone it down. He does
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: try to do it a little bit on his podcast
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: that he does, and uh, yeah, I would. I would
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: love to sit down with David le Roth and just
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: please days let us up. Just let let me ask
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: you questions and you answer them.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: When he was on Carson Daily in the early two thousands,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Carson's like, I haven't even asked the question yet. It's
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: like five minutes of Dave just talking and telling the.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Stories you've heard that you heard the I think it's
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Jazz's interview with Us, either Jazz or Steve's Rosens, where
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: Eddie says, you know, we just let we just we
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: don't really want to do the talking, so we just
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: let we just send in. And then he tells them
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff that doesn't mean anything. Yeah, and
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: he spills up the time and they just are mesmerized
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: by him and that it's just he doesn't really say anything. Yeah,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: he gisn't entertained, and he goes, that's why he's great
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: for our band. You know, he kind of admits it
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: like his brother does, that there was this character.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so promote whatever you want to promote you know,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: the YouTube channel whatever you're on social media, so have
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: that let people know where they can find you.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, obviously Final Residence TV. Final Residence TV is
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: my YouTube channel, Van Halen's Stories as a podcast that
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: I do. It's a series of podcasts been out there
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: for just be the fourth year coming up. Be uh
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: going out to LA again for another trip to the
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: Pasadena area very shortly. Okay, so probably you see some
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: content again from the Van Hill and trail that I'll
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: try to find some new spots to go to this time,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: working my way around. So that's all going to come up.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: And like I said, I have a couple of other
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: things that I'm working on, you know, different interviews that
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: are coming. There's a lot of people in the backlog
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: that I've wanted to get, like Adam Reaver, who's who's
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: you know, tendedly agreed to be on, Brian Young from
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Daviidie Ross. Yeah, all these people I've talked to and
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: we've you know, talked about doing it. We hadn't quite
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: firmed it up. I'd be great. He's in Nashville. Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: So there's an endless number of people like Nick Bocott,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: who I just had on you. Did you know you
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: helped me with that that whole thing at the desk,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: Nick Bocott. That's if you haven't seen that one. A
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: lot of people think it's one of the their favorites.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: They say that and and Nick Bocott still are hilarious.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: He's English, so he has that that heat, that humor.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: That's great tell some great stuff. So I would definitely
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: check that out. One thing I want to talk about
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: too is about books. One of my more interesting guests,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: and this is a really crazy story, and i'll tell
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: the story call a Night. Back in the nineties, I
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: ran across this book.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: It's called Musicians in Two Musicians in Tune, Okay, Okay.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: And it's by a lady named Jenny Boyd. So Jenny
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: Boyd the history of Jenny Woyd. Jenny Boyd is Patty
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: Boyd's sister. Jenny and Patty are famous for Patty's more
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: famous for the Beatles because Patty it was married to
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: George Harrison and Eric Clapton. Right, the song Layla was
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: written about her. Something was written about her. Wonderful Tonight
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: was written about her. Jenny, her younger sister, was around
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: her when she was part of the Hard Day's Night movie.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: So Jenny goes off and ends up marrying Mick Fleetwood,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: and then she becomes a PhD and psychology, and then
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: in the nineties she does what we do. She interviews
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: musicians about people in the music business, about their processes,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: how they create, and she comes out with this book,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: Musicians in Tune. So in the nineties, this is essentially
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: our podcast in a book for him all these musicians,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: seventy five musicians including Clapton and Harrison and all the
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: people at the time, and Jenny and I reconnected for
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: a book review on my other podcast is called Musical Journeys,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: which will sometimes I'll do other ones that aren't van
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: Halen related, and they go into my Musical Journey's bucket
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: of interviews. And if you haven't seen that one, check
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: out Jenny Boyd from the last Musical Journeys episode where
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: we talk about this book and what happens. She reissued
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: this book recently in audio form too, with the actual
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: interviews of Harrison. The audio recent in the last six months.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: So okay, Jeff, you gotta hook me up, gotta get her.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: On Jenny's awesome, Jenny Boyd. You know, it's what's probably
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: the most interesting thing, and it will blow your mind,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: is when the Beatles went to India, she was in
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: those photos we see of them in India, you know,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: all together, the whole group together. She's in all those
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: photos with her sister, and she spent time with them
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: as they wrote those songs at that time and experienced
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: life in India. She goes through that with me a
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: little bit. In my podcast interview. We talked about Peter
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: Green because she was close to Peter Green.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: One of the best guitar tones in rock history.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: So I had to go there of course as a
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: guitar player, and we talked about McCartney and all the
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Beatles and their personalities and.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: Wow, I got to check that episode out.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's done pretty well. She flies under the
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: radar a little bit, but she became this PhD and
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: then and her psychology led her to doing these interviews.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: And so I get this book in the nineties, right,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, I'm kind of like these other
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: people I do. I create the same way they do.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: I experienced the same things they do. These other people
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: in the music business, all types, all levels. So I
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: get into podcasting right through this, through my Musical Journeys
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: podcast and Van Halen's stories, and then it just dawns
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: on me one day, this lady's probably still alive and
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: I can probably still get her on my podcast. So
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: I contacted her on a lie and she agreed, and
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: after thirty some odd years now I had this book.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: I had the author finally on my podcast.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: She must have been thrilled though, to know that somebody,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: all these years later, Yeah, got that much out of
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: a book that she wrote thirty years ago.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: She did, and so much so that that it just
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: so happened that she was reissuing that book at the
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: same time. So it's a pretty cool. So if you
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: look up Jenny Boyd, you can find her latest version
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: of this book in the audio and get it. It's awesome.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: That's fantastic. Yeah, Jeff Global, thanks man, this was great
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: to have you on. I'm glad we finally made this happen.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great to see you in person, Yeah, virtually
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: virtually in person. Yeah, man, we got some interesting stuff
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: coming this year. I can't wait to Maybe we can
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: do something else. We need some other do another dual thing.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: Or triple thing with some people.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: I'm in.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: I'm in, man, I'm intil you think about it, you
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: get Alex van Hale and you call me. I'll give
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: you some questions.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: Let me give Alex a call right now. Let's see
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: if you're saying, all right, Jeff, thanks man.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: All right, buddy, you have a great one. Man. No, no,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: that was an adventure.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: I was quite assure you put on the thing.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Well, let me just close this conversation by saying you
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: are one unique individual.