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2023 Holiday Mail Bag! · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to our annual holiday mailbag episode. It's here, guys.
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe it.
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  Speaker 1: It's here. And thanks to everyone who sent in questions
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  Speaker 1: via Twitter, Instagram, and of course, our Friends of the
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  Speaker 1: Pod Discord.
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  Speaker 2: And threads, bud.
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  Speaker 1: Threads? Well, Threads of the Pod?
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  Speaker 3: Is that a thing now?
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  Speaker 1: We got some threads. I just read what's on my script.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
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  Speaker 1: No criticism.
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  Speaker 3: Just also reminding people about threads.
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  Speaker 1: It is an Instagram thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, enough of this. Let's get right into it. We
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  Speaker 1: got a lot of questions like this one from... At
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  Speaker 1: means 23 on Twitter. Are you concerned about Biden's position
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  Speaker 1: on the war in Gaza and how this will affect
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  Speaker 1: voter turnout in particular with younger voters? Tommy?
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  Speaker 3: I am concerned. I think the polling is a little
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  Speaker 3: weird and all over the place on this. Right. As
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  Speaker 3: of recently, there was a CBS poll from early December.
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  Speaker 3: that showed 38% of Democrats think Biden has shown too
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  Speaker 3: much support for Israel, and that's up from 20%. I
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  Speaker 3: think that's sort of a weird phrasing, though. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what support means.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of got to define that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, right. I don't like vague polling. There's also, in
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  Speaker 3: that same survey, 26% of Democrats want Biden to support
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  Speaker 3: pro-Palestinian protests in the U.S. There was another previous poll, though,
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  Speaker 3: that showed Democrats' approval of Biden's handling of the situation
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  Speaker 3: in Gaza went up from 50% to 59% right around
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  Speaker 3: the ceasefire, I think. So, again, polling is a little
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  Speaker 3: all over the place. My concern is more anecdotal. I've
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  Speaker 3: had a bunch of conversations with Arab-American friends or Muslim-American
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  Speaker 3: friends who say they're hearing from people that they feel demoralized.
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  Speaker 3: They don't know if they can vote. They feel like
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  Speaker 3: they were let down based on their support for 2020.
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  Speaker 3: So there's pockets of this happening in Michigan that's been
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  Speaker 3: highly reported or swing states like Pennsylvania. So I think
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  Speaker 3: it's something that, you know, Biden has time to fix now.
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  Speaker 3: But he should keep an eye on and be aware of.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I mean, I will say this, like if
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  Speaker 1: you are upset or disappointed or outraged with Joe Biden
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  Speaker 1: over Gaza, like you have every right to feel that way.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think it's very effective because I've seen
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  Speaker 1: this here and there to tell Muslim Americans or Arab
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  Speaker 1: Americans or any Americans who are on the fence about
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  Speaker 1: voting for Biden in 24 because of Gaza. Like, well,
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  Speaker 1: if you if you don't vote for him, you know,
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  Speaker 1: good luck with the Muslim ban. But I also do
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  Speaker 1: think it's possible and even reasonable to vote for someone
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  Speaker 1: that you are angry with or disappointed with. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that because at the end of the day, your
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  Speaker 1: vote is not about rewarding or punishing Joe Biden or
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump or really any politician. It's about choosing between
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  Speaker 1: two different outcomes that will each have tangible real life
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  Speaker 1: consequences for you and millions of other people. And in
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  Speaker 1: a closed country that's 50-50, your vote can be decisive
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  Speaker 1: in those outcomes.
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  Speaker 3: Also, don't wait until 2024. You can be active now.
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  Speaker 3: Call your congressman. Yes. Say, hey, I'm disappointed in the
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  Speaker 3: lack of effort to push for a ceasefire or to
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  Speaker 3: limit civilian casualties in Gaza. I want you to do more.
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  Speaker 3: I want you to urge the administration to do more.
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  Speaker 1: And there is a $ 14 billion request for aid to
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  Speaker 1: Israel that you will ostensibly vote on in the new year.
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  Speaker 1: tell your Democratic senators, don't vote for that bill if
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  Speaker 1: there's no conditions. Don't give Bibi Netanyahu a blank check.
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  Speaker 1: That is one way to get involved for sure. Dan,
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  Speaker 1: Sea Otter Friend asks, this is my favorite part of
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  Speaker 1: the mailbag episode.
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  Speaker 3: I do love the names.
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  Speaker 1: Me too. So Sea Otter Friend asks, what should one
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  Speaker 1: say to swing voters who don't believe democracy is on
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  Speaker 1: the line?
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  Speaker 4: Don't tell them democracy is on the line? No, look,
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  Speaker 4: democracy is 100% on the line in this election. Donald
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  Speaker 4: Trump is being very explicit about about what his specific
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  Speaker 4: plans are if he gets into power, whether he says
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  Speaker 4: he's going to be a dictator on day one, or
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  Speaker 4: all the stories we read about how he's going to
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  Speaker 4: weaponize the federal government to reward his friends, protect himself,
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  Speaker 4: and punish his enemies. But if we simply make the case,
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  Speaker 4: say democracy is on the line, or this could be
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  Speaker 4: the end of democracy, that's something that means very little
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  Speaker 4: to a lot of people. It's simply just saying, here's
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  Speaker 4: this political system that most of you think doesn't work
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  Speaker 4: very well, and here's this guy who's going to shake
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  Speaker 4: it up or destroy it or whatever version they say.
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  Speaker 4: So I think say a few things. One, you should
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  Speaker 4: be very specific about the things that Donald Trump is
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  Speaker 4: going to do and how it's going to affect your lives.
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  Speaker 4: And if you want to make a broader argument, I
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  Speaker 4: would spend less time talking about how the threat Donald
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  Speaker 4: Trump poses to democracy and more about the threat he
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  Speaker 4: poses to people's personal freedoms. Whether that is what books
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  Speaker 4: you can read, what healthcare decisions you can make, whether
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  Speaker 4: you can access an abortion, access contraception, who you can love,
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  Speaker 4: all of those things are going to be at risk
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  Speaker 4: because we have an authoritarian who will not abide by
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  Speaker 4: not just norms, but laws when in office.
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  Speaker 1: Unless people don't want to vote in any other elections.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they want, they want this to be the last
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  Speaker 1: election they voted in, in which case.
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  Speaker 4: Given the tempo of emails from Democrats, that could be appealing.
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  Speaker 3: You get a lot of time back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. If you skip this way, it's like, it's like
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  Speaker 2: when Homer Simpson's boss said, if you don't come, if
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  Speaker 2: you don't come in Friday, don't bother coming in Monday.
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  Speaker 2: And he's like, cool, four day weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I do think that like, I think like Republicans, like,
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  Speaker 2: their strength they they go to people and they say
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  Speaker 2: uh you're not wrong to care about this right like
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  Speaker 2: give into that feeling that bad feeling that you have
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  Speaker 2: given to that worst instinct and i think democrats are
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  Speaker 2: our mirror image of that is less successful which is
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  Speaker 2: you're wrong not to care about that which is like
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  Speaker 2: hectoring people into caring about something the same way that
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  Speaker 2: we do and i do think that like people are
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  Speaker 2: telling us what they care about abortion is something they
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  Speaker 2: really care about access to health care is something they
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  Speaker 2: really care about and i don't think we need to
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  Speaker 2: um mail out copies of How Democracies End by those
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  Speaker 2: two professors. I don't think we can get people to
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  Speaker 2: read that. How Democracies Die, I'm sorry. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: that mailing copies of that work.
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  Speaker 1: I can correct that, but I cannot tell you the names. Levitan,
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  Speaker 1: Stephen something?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, a couple of fucking nerds from one
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  Speaker 2: of those anti-Semitic institutions up north. I'm not sure which one.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Coming out hot.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great book.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great book. Long on problems, short on solutions.
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  Speaker 2: But still pretty good. I like that. They came on
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  Speaker 2: Love It or Leave It.
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  Speaker 1: They were good.
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  Speaker 2: Let's keep it loose. Let's keep it loose.
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  Speaker 3: All right. Honestly, I really do appreciate you changing the
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  Speaker 3: tone from the top there. That's better.
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  Speaker 1: There we go. Great.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: This one came from Chelsea Amory. I'm all for backing
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  Speaker 1: Biden since this is most likely, but I am genuinely
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  Speaker 1: curious if it weren't the case, who would be a
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  Speaker 1: good alternative for the Democratic Party? I'm not talking about
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  Speaker 1: who was already in the race.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we know you're not.
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  Speaker 1: But potential people you would like to see as an option. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's a fun hypothetical, right? So if Joe Biden wakes
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  Speaker 1: up tomorrow and tells us he changed his mind and
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  Speaker 1: he isn't running for re-election, which every piece of available
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  Speaker 1: evidence says will not happen. But if he does, a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of candidates would jump in the race. Kamala Harris,
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  Speaker 1: most certainly. Probably Gavin Newsom. Probably J.B. Pritzker. I do
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  Speaker 1: think that the strongest general election candidate would be someone
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  Speaker 1: from outside Washington. Oprah. One in a swing state.
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  Speaker 3: Younger.
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  Speaker 1: Not too lefty. Not too centrist.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, what if they fixed a highway pretty quick?
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  Speaker 1: Not a lot of baggage. Beyonce.
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  Speaker 2: Knows his way around a cheesesteak.
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  Speaker 1: Josh Shapiro, governor of Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely up there.
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  Speaker 1: I think Gretchen Whitmer. Gretchen Whitmer is so popular in Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: Has now won twice. Has a great story to tell.
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  Speaker 1: State we need. Gretchen Whitmer and Josh Shapiro are two
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  Speaker 1: that might, those are my two top right now. And
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  Speaker 1: I think even though he's a Senator, I would also
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  Speaker 1: throw Raphael Warnock in there because he's still relatively new
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  Speaker 1: to DC and he has won twice in a really
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  Speaker 1: tough state.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, you pick, you pick any of those you put.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not, I'm not mad at yet.
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  Speaker 1: Those are great.
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  Speaker 2: I'll take it.
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  Speaker 1: Just give a thumbs up on this.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, now he's frozen too.
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  Speaker 3: It's, Zoom has started giving you a fucking thumbs up
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  Speaker 3: emoji when you do a thumbs up.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't make any fucking sense. It's the one thing
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  Speaker 2: you don't need because the thumbs up is the thumbs up.
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  Speaker 2: Why does doing a thumbs up give you an emoji
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  Speaker 2: thumbs up? It's a double thumbs up. It's so fucking stupid.
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  Speaker 1: Stop haunting us with new features like it's still the
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  Speaker 1: fucking pandemic.
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  Speaker 2: It's over.
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  Speaker 3: Stop.
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  Speaker 2: It's over.
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  Speaker 3: We hated you then.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we hated you then. No Zoom drinks. Let's do
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  Speaker 1: Zoom drinks.
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  Speaker 4: Who are you doing Zoom drinks with?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely no one, but apparently someone thought that we need
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  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of emoji reactions now. Dan is still frozen.
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  Speaker 4: Can you hear me?
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  Speaker 1: He looks like he's hammered in this picture. He's got
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  Speaker 1: like one eye open.
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  Speaker 2: We can hear you fine, Dan.
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  Speaker 4: This will definitely be the thumbnail the social team will
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  Speaker 4: pick of me for this podcast.
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  Speaker 3: You look like it's a Mr. Beast kind of goofy
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  Speaker 3: video thumbnail.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, anyone else got some candidates they want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about in this fantasy scenario?
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  Speaker 3: You know who never gets mentioned? Tim Walls over in Minnesota.
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  Speaker 3: But they've done a lot of good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Jared Polis.
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  Speaker 1: Jared Polis.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's time for a gay president. Pritzker.
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  Speaker 1: Wes Moore is going to be great someday. He just
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  Speaker 1: was elected governor of Maryland, but Wes Moore is someone
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  Speaker 1: to keep an eye on as well.
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  Speaker 2: Although I'm still pissed at Jared Polis for backing out
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  Speaker 2: of Love It or Leave It last minute. So Jared Polis,
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  Speaker 2: you're off my short list.
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  Speaker 4: One issue voter right here.
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  Speaker 1: All politics is personal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, damn right it is.
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  Speaker 1: All right, back to a serious question for Tommy. Sorry, guys. Tyne,
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  Speaker 1: another friend of the pod subscriber, asks, with right-wing populists
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  Speaker 1: slash far-right and outright fascist politicians on the rise in
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  Speaker 1: the U.S. and many countries in Europe, but also in
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  Speaker 1: South America. Do you think there are connected global reasons
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  Speaker 1: for their rise?
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  Speaker 3: I think the right-wing populism story is a mixed bag.
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  Speaker 3: In Poland in October, a right-wing populist lost to a
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  Speaker 3: coalition of pro-EU parties. So now you've got this guy
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  Speaker 3: named Donald Tusk. Remember him?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He's from our days. He was a former president of
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  Speaker 3: the European Council. So like a certified globalists running Poland.
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  Speaker 3: Argentina voted for this crazy right-wing libertarian dude. The Netherlands
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  Speaker 3: voted for a right-wing populist who just demagogued Muslims. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if they're connected necessarily. I think they're common threads.
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  Speaker 3: It's like people are mad about the economy.
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  Speaker 1: They hate elites.
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  Speaker 3: They hate the corrupt ruling class. They want to break
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  Speaker 3: things or burn it down. They're mad at immigration. They're
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  Speaker 3: mad at changing demographics. And usually they find a scapegoat
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  Speaker 3: to blame. So I think those are the common elements
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  Speaker 3: that the kind of right-wing populist playbook that you have
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  Speaker 3: to watch out for.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds familiar to the one we've seen here. I also
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  Speaker 1: think that because technology has connected us so intimately, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: on social media and everywhere else, that some of these
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  Speaker 1: movements you can see are copying each other from country
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  Speaker 1: to country. And so I think that connects as well as,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, mass migration that is caused by a
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  Speaker 1: whole bunch of different things is definitely challenging a lot
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  Speaker 1: of governments. All right. A man and his cat asks...
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  Speaker 1: When I hear Democratic politicians talk, they seem quick to
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  Speaker 1: pivot to voter hip pocket issues. Hip pocket? I guess
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  Speaker 1: that's like kitchen table, pocket book.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's combining pocket book issues and hip pocketing.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, whatever. Is concentrating on that message still a winning
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  Speaker 1: strategy in today's identity politics world? It feels like more
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  Speaker 1: food on the table for you and your hardworking family
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  Speaker 1: is a folksy and quaint approach nowadays, not meeting the moment.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 1: The reason you hear so many Democratic politicians talk about
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  Speaker 1: economic issues is because that is what the vast majority
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  Speaker 1: of Americans care about the most, because the vast majority
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  Speaker 1: of Americans, something like two-thirds, do not have a college
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  Speaker 1: degree and do not make six-figure incomes. And when you
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  Speaker 1: talk to these voters about politics, to the extent that
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  Speaker 1: they're paying attention, and many of them are not, they
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  Speaker 1: care about what politicians are doing to solve their biggest
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  Speaker 1: and most immediate concerns, which is their ability to afford
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  Speaker 1: the cost of living for themselves and their families. That
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  Speaker 1: is not to say that these Americans don't have other concerns.
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  Speaker 1: Many of them desperately want access to abortion. They want
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  Speaker 1: their kids to feel safe when they go to school.
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  Speaker 1: They want to be treated equally under the law. But
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  Speaker 1: what they think about all the time every day is
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  Speaker 1: getting by. And that is true independent of identity, race, gender,
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  Speaker 1: sexual orientation, all of it. The sentiment that talking about
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  Speaker 1: economic issues is folksy or quaint or soft or not
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  Speaker 1: the right strategy is also a common one among certain pundits.
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  Speaker 1: a lot of posters, people who are posting on the
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  Speaker 1: internet all the time. And it's people who are disproportionately,
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  Speaker 1: I think, highly educated, relatively well-off, and consume a lot
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  Speaker 1: of political news. And political news is also consumed with
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  Speaker 1: debates around identity and culture. So I do think there
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  Speaker 1: is a bubble effect there. But if you go talk
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  Speaker 1: to less engaged, less educated, less well-off people, who are
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  Speaker 1: most people, and which pollsters do and politicians do and
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  Speaker 1: grassroots organizers do, you will absolutely hear a different set
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  Speaker 1: of concerns. And that's why democratic politicians talk about those
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  Speaker 1: issues all the time.
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  Speaker 4: Can I give some numbers on that, John?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, please. Please do.
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  Speaker 4: Because the New York Times actually asked voters to whether
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  Speaker 4: their vote was going to be more based on a
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  Speaker 4: politician's position on social issues, which includes guns, abortion, and democracy.
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  Speaker 4: And you could go, the way they word it, it
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  Speaker 4: could be because you're a conservative or liberal on those issues,
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  Speaker 4: or economic issues like jobs, cost of living, and taxes.
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  Speaker 4: And economic issues won 57 to 29, a number that
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  Speaker 4: is up 12 points in four battleground states since 2022.
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  Speaker 1: And again, it doesn't mean that these voters don't care,
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  Speaker 1: because you hear a lot of people being like, don't
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  Speaker 1: they care that it's the democracies at risk here? It's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they probably would care if they knew about it, but
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  Speaker 1: they were working three jobs to try to pay the
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  Speaker 1: bills and didn't really have time to follow all the
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  Speaker 1: ins and outs of Donald Trump's latest crazy moves on whatever,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like his latest speech or his latest trial
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  Speaker 1: or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: There's a reason that abortion I think is broken through
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  Speaker 2: in a way that some other concerns around democracy haven't.
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  Speaker 2: And look, like you go outside, the birds are chirping.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like convincing people that we're on the verge
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  Speaker 2: of a dictatorship is very difficult.
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  Speaker 1: It just is.
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  Speaker 2: But what they do see is the cost of living.
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  Speaker 2: What they do experience is, uh, rising housing costs, the
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  Speaker 2: fact that, yes, inflation is down, but costs are still
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  Speaker 2: higher than they were a year ago, two years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Those are things people see and feel and experience every
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  Speaker 2: single day. And I think our job is to have
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  Speaker 2: a case that makes people feel heard on those issues,
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  Speaker 2: that respects that experience, while at the same time making
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  Speaker 2: real for people the threat around abortion, the threat around democracy.
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  Speaker 3: We have to do both.
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  Speaker 1: Well, to your point, people also Can viscerally see when
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  Speaker 1: they can't get an abortion.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Because there's no abortion access in the state. They
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  Speaker 1: read the news when they see like there's a school
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  Speaker 1: shooting in a nearby school. Right. So they care about
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  Speaker 1: gun violence. But it is it is issues that actually
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  Speaker 1: affect people's lives and not like esoteric debates that happen
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  Speaker 1: on Twitter.
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  Speaker 2: Trump's going to change schedule F.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Which is bad for a lot of people who lose
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  Speaker 1: jobs and who are civil servants.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I don't think it's good.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Before we head to break, it's almost 2024, which means
• 15:23
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• 15:26
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• 15:28
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• 15:31
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• 15:34
  Speaker 1: citizen starts right now. Head to votesaveamerica.com to find out
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: how you can get involved today. All right. Jsats23 on
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Threads asks, what are your news sources? Curious where you
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: get your information and why. Dan?
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: Crooked media and only crooked media.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: There you go. That's it.
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: It is actually really interesting. The world we have come
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: to live in in the last year since Twitter has
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: been broken and other social platforms like Facebook have devalued
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: political news. We're back to the place where we were
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: a decade ago where if you want to go find
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: out what's happened, you have to go to a website,
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: or sign up for a newsletter to be delivered into
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: your inbox, right? The idea that someone is going to
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: deliver the news to your phone just doesn't exist anymore, right?
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: You cannot just randomly bump into political news anymore. You
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: have to actively seek it out. It has become much
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: harder than it has been since any time I can
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: remember in trying to follow politics.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: So where do you get your news from?
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where do you get your fucking news, Dan?
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: While you're ducking the question.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: While I'm giving it– So Steve Bannon's War Room.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: Steve Bannon's War Room. Anything Ben Shapiro does. So the
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: big newsletters like Politico Playbook, Punchbowl, the NBC First Read
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: newsletter I think can be very useful. Some of the
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: New York Times newsletters are very helpful. If you really
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: follow polling, then the Nate Cohn, the Tilt newsletter is
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: very good. A bunch of different sub stacks that I
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: follow that help you. They're a little more Like issue specific,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: like there's a bunch of ones around polling, some around
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: like the legal stuff around Trump. It's a whole bunch
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: of different places. But I will also just in the
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: middle of the day, I'll go to the New York
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: Times website, the Washington Post website. And even sometimes, and
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: I hate to admit it, but Politico's website to find
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: out like what has happened during the day because I
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: can't rely on Twitter to tell me anymore.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's actually.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Those are my big three too.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've noticed in just even the last six months,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's right. Like it used to
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: be like the osmosis of Twitter. You could feel like
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: you were getting a good range of things. But I
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: think I continued to feel as though that was true,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: even though it wasn't true for a long time. And
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: fully giving up on Twitter has made me go back
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: to literally just going to the websites like we used to.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: And I actually think it's better. I think this is
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: certainly a better way to stay. I feel more informed
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: today than I did a couple months ago.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: When you go to the landing page of a website,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: you're not trapped by an algorithm. You're forced to see
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: the international section, the business section, a bunch of things
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: you just never would seek out or would never feed you.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a better way of getting news. All right,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Pete Borkowski. At Pete B93 asks, is Ron DeSantis' presidential
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: campaign the worst slash most disappointing in relation to expectations
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: in American history? Oh, good one. So I got some
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: nominees here, and I want to hear from you guys
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: who you, aside from DeSantis.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I have some in my mind.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you go. Scott Walker. Remember Scott Walker?
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Former governor of Wisconsin. Ran in the 2016 primary.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Was.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Mentioned as a top-tier candidate early on in that race,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: dropped out by, flamed out in September 2015. Fred Thompson,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: former senator from Tennessee, also movie star.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Hunt for Red October, anybody?
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh boy, Fred Thompson's going to jump in
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the 2008 race. This is going to be a big thing.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Great voice, too.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Great voice in a lot of ads for catheters or something.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Reverse mortgages. Reverse mortgages, yeah, something like that. Ended up
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: not winning, not doing well at all in the early
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: states and dropped out in early 2008. Wes Clark.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: That was mine. That was mine.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Great title.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Best title on the biz, I think.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Supreme Allied Commander. That's pretty good.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: He was going to shake up the 2004 Democratic primary
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: by jumping in.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Wore a sweater, fucked up a question on Iraq. He
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: was out.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: He forgot.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: That was it.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: He was on his plane. A reporter started asking him
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: questions about Iraq. He forgot his position and then screamed
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: his press secretary's name and called for help.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Help Mary.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Mary, help.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Help Mary.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Help Mary.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Help Mary. So that was it for Wes Clark. Jeb Bush.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, Jeb Bush. 2016, the front runner the whole
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: time and just.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: 100 million dollars 100 million.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Dollars yeah it just didn't didn't go anywhere please clap.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: This is me lighting on fire please clap what.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: About margot rubio same year Also got a cover of
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Time Magazine. Is he the great savior of the Republican Party?
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: He didn't flame out as hard. Look, he did not.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't do as well as Ted Cruz, but.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: He ended his campaign by losing a insult contest with
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump about penis size and then cried because he
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: was so concerned about Donald Trump having access to our
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: nuclear arsenal and then endorsed Donald Trump like three months later.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, you're right. To this day, he still refuses to
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: say that Donald Trump can be trusted with nuclear weapons.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: So his position to this day means Donald Trump cannot
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: be trusted with the nuclear codes. I would like him
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: to have them anyway. That is his position.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I got one more, and this might seem strange to
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: you youngins, but Rudy Giuliani in 2008 was the frontrunner
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: most of the race in the Republican primary. He decided...
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: He had an interesting strategy of not focusing at all
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: on the early states. He was going to go right
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: to Florida because that had more delegates. He skipped all
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the early states, did not do well in them, and
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: then came in third in Florida and dropped out after
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: like a whole year of leading the national polls.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: That flame out makes a lot more sense now that
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: we know him in these later years.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: That flame out came hard earned at the bottom of
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: a traveler booze.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: But it's hard to think about this now because of
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: who Rudy is now as he's in a trial today
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: for defamation. But like after 9-11, America's mayor, one of
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the most popular politicians in the country, you know, obviously
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Bush wins in 2004. But then they're like, oh, the
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: next Republican, next Republican president, that's going to be Rudy Giuliani.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was interesting. The flame out. And then it
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: also just sort of because if you go back, like
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: other primaries were like more consistent. But Rudy kind of
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: like like John McCain coming up the rear, you know, anyway.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Anyway, does anyone have a favorite? Who do you think's
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the who do you think's the biggest flame out? You
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: guys have a winner from that list?
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, man. That's a really good list.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: I think it has to be Jeb Bush from your
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: list because a lot of these other people were– like
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: the Fred Thompson, Wes Clark were just kind of like
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: these larks that happened late in the race where people
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: got kind of desperate. We are leaving out Ed Muskie
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: who was the overwhelming favorite who then maybe possibly shed
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: a tear in New Hampshire and then his campaign ended.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Gary Hart.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Gary Hart was the one I was going to say.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Gary Hart is– Gary Hart.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It sounds ridiculous saying it out loud, but Rick
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Perry was pretty highly regarded during 2012.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: That's a good one.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: You know, John, we both were speaking. I don't want
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: to gloss over the fact that you said Hillary Clinton
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: shed a tear and then vroom. I heard it. I
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: heard it. She just didn't want to see us fall backwards, John.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: That fucking was good stuff.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Obama for not getting the public option.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I was just channeling my inner.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: You're in our who. Who's in there, buddy?
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: My inner lefty podcast.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I think you're likable enough.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Good question.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Okay. Tommy.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: We have one from Ryan Whitledge on Twitter. Tommy and Dan,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: they both want to hear some sports commentary.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: First for Tommy, let's have an honest chat about the
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: future of Bill Belichick. Is he still the coach of
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the Pats after this season? New England Patriots.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I know who it is. I know who it is.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: It's the guy that cheats and then everyone's like, eh,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: it's fine.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: 113 million people watch the Super Bowl and this guy
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: treats these conversations like we're some niche hobby we got
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: over here. Tell me more about your fucking Elden Ring, Bill.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I love when Tommy goes on this.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: It's great.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: All right, all right. Yeah, you love football. What a
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: guy's guy. Let's hear it. I'm not like the other girls.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Let's go. All right, something about Bill Belichick. What do
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: you got to say about him?
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Here's a way to bring you in.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be brought in. Just answer the
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: fucking question.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Look, I'm going to build bridges here. Politico, you love Politico.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: They reported the Patriots are so bad. That Republican candidates
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: are finally allowed to campaign in New Hampshire during Patriots
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: games this new cycle.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: That's interesting.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: It's a sad, funny story.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Because the Patriots are 3-10. We're worse than the Jets.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I think Bill Belichick should get another year. He made
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: some bad choices in the drafts. Shouldn't have hired a
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: defensive coordinator to be your offensive coordinator. That was probably
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: a mistake. It's weird that he hired his son to
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: be a coach. Nepo baby? Yeah, he's got a Nepo
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: baby on staff, yeah.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: As you know, I do not... Follow the Patriots as
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: closely as you do. But I just saw before we
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: started recording that Tom Curran, who is an excellent sports
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: reporter for a local NBC affiliate in Boston, he says
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: that the decision has been made that Belichick's going to
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: be out. This is it. This is the last season.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: So the flip side is he's the best coach of
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: all time. He's 71 years old. Don't cry because it's over.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Laugh because it happened.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Six Super Bowls. Yeah, nine Super Bowl appearances, six Super Bowls.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: That makes me sad. That's a ton of them.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Most ever.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Most ever.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Wow. For an NFL coach. Anyway, we'll see. It's still
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: an early report. Sports talk.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: By the time people hear this podcast, we'll know whether
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: it's true or not.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's right. You'll all know by now. And
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: in the pursuit of fairness, what are Dan's thoughts on
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the eventual banning of the tush push? And then it
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: says in parentheses, love its commentary, welcome as well.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Dan, what do you think about the tush push?
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: This is part of the freedom agenda I was discussing earlier.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, boy.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: The tush push. Yeah, what is the tush push?
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: The tush push, otherwise known as the brotherly shove, is
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: a play the Philadelphia Eagles do.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Hey, not better.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: I'm just telling you what it is that the Philadelphia
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Eagles do where the offensive line and the running backs
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: all just push the quarterback over into the end zone
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: to get the first down.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Short yardage situation.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, so it's like, okay, I see. And it's not allowed?
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: It is allowed.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: The NFL thought of banning it. No one's ever done
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: it before successfully. The Eagles did last season. They thought
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: they would ban it.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: They didn't.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: I'm being asked this question because people assume fairly that
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: I am an Eagles fan because I grew up near
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: Philly and I'm a Philly fan of everything else, but
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: that's not actually the case. I'm actually a Washington Commanders
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: fan because that's how I was raised.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Is that why people throw batteries at you when we're
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: in Philly?
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: That's... That's what my 2016 election takes.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: So basically, it's kind of like the football equivalent of
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: putting a sumo wrestler in the hockey goal.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Even though they're kind of being tackled, they're being pushed
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: from behind and just sort of forcing through. That's cool.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: How can you ban that?
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, can I ask? That's cool as hell. Why do
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: they want to ban the tush push?
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Because it's seen as an unfair advantage. I think they
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: should not ban it. And the reason that people are
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: paying even more attention to it is the key. The
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: reason why Philadelphia can do it and no one else
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: can is because the center for the Philadelphia Eagles is
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: Jason Kelsey, Travis Kelsey's brother.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: And now a huge podcaster. A huge podcaster. We got
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: to take that fucker down. And their quarterback, Jalen Hurts.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: is super athletic and strong and just a badass.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Can like squat 600 pounds or something.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Run people over, yeah.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: So the tush push is available to everyone. This is America.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: But the eagles, because these are people that know how
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: to climb a greasy pole. Like they figure, you know,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: they're people from Philadelphia. They're animals. They're fucking monsters.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: You could come up with a name for it for
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: every city.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could. And I will.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: You keep thinking while we're doing the rest of the questions.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Tush push.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: It's fun to say.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Buy me dinner first, Philadelphia. You know what I'm saying?
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Okay. Another question for Dan from Marcus Lang. Dan, what
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: have been some of your favorite music releases of 2023?
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: This question is for everyone, but I think my music
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: tastes are more aligned with Dan than the rest of
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the guys. Okay, Marcus.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Sorry, Marcus.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Sent from Margaritaville.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: I'm assuming this is a hip hop related question because
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: I generally listen probably to more hip hop than you
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: guys do. And I would say that this is the
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: year I've been trying mightily to outpace my age and
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: stay very current on hip hop, but that became impossible
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: this year. But there are two albums that that came
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: out this year that I very much like. One is
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: by a rapper called No Name, who's a Chicago rapper
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: and poet who sort of became famous many years ago
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: by being on Chance the Rapper's mixtape. And she has
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: an incredible album that came out this year. And then
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Black Thought from The Roots has a solo album this
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: year that's excellent. I want to be able to, I
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: wish I could say that I was really into Andre
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: 3000's flute album, but I can't make myself do that.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Not doing the flute thing.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Has the Young Thug Trial gotten you into any of
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: his songs?
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: I have listened to a fair amount of Young Thug
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: in my life, but his involvement in Eureka has not
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: made it more appealing to me.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Dan, what did you think of the latest Drake album?
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Not a fan.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I tried too, and I was like, it's just
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: a little too slow for me.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like he's missed his moment, or his
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: moment's over.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyone else have any music releases they'd like to tout?
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I'm listening to a lot of Ethel Kane. Our music
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: taste is very different. You know, basically sort of somebody
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: who's upset and non-binary, like that's what Spotify is going
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: to show me a fair amount of.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: That's, that's a lot of it. So yeah, I've been
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: listening to Ethel Kane really rising, really rising.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Well, next question is we're really moving into recommendations territory here.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Some gold can stay on Instagram asks, what are you
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: reading or watching or in Lovett's case playing?
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: So I have been, I just watched leave the world
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: behind the Julia Roberts, Mahershala Ali movie, and I think
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: it's excellent. I've really liked it. I'm not playing anything yet,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: but over the break, I plan to play Tears of
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: the Kingdom, The Lies of P, and Baldur's Gate, the
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: new Baldur's Gate. I don't know which order I'm going
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: to play them in, but I'm very excited to finally
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: have some time because I've just been on the road
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: the last couple of months and like gaming is like,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: it is the reading of looking at a screen.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: In the sense that like you need a lot of time,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: you got to get into it. You can't just do
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: it here and there. You got to really commit.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Did the Obamas produce Leave the World Behind? Is that
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: a higher ground film?
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: They did. They did.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but they certainly did. It says higher
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: ground on it.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And they were both posting about it.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I guess it is sort of, I guess there is a,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I guess there is a logic to the kind of
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: spirit of the film, I suppose, in the end.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Dan, what about you?
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know whether people hear this before they hear
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: our New Year's resolution episode, but one of my New
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Year's resolutions was to improve my attention span. And one
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: way in which I'll do that is get back to
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: reading as much as I used to do, because this
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: was not a good reading year. But one set of
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: books that I think are excellent, I would recommend to everyone,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: are the The Crime Novels by S.A. Cosby, who writes
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: about crime in the South, usually in the Virginia area.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: He's a black guy. It's very different than your typical
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: crime noir.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: He has three.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: All the Sinners Bleed is the one that came out
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: this year.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: They're excellent.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Watching anything good? You're always our... Any good
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: reality shows that you're watching?
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: I spent a lot of my 2023 catching up to
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: Scandival on Vanderpump Rules, a decision I definitely do not
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: regret in any way, shape, or form. It was very...
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Made this year, this otherwise tough year, great.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Um.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: That sort of reality TV stuff, I've been trying to
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: think of what was really good that I watched this year.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, we all watched Succession.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: That was amazing.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: The Diplomat, I found very enjoyable as a Netflix show.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: It works. I could see.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Just Tommy being very angry at how absurd it is.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: The lack of realism.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: The lack of realism. And the British ambassador also being
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: a spy.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, or being in charge of anything. Tough hit.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Well, the U.S.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Ambassador to the U.K. is generally not running all foreign
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: policy or prepared to be the vice president. Spoiler.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Or a former CIA.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: But I've been reading The 90s by Chuck Klosterman. It's
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: a recent book that's out. It's very good. I was
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: listening to some Noah Kahn. He had a great new
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: album out this year. Watching, though, the latest season of
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Dave was good. Was that this year or last year?
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good one. That was great. It's great
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: to watch. So I'm watching The Curse with Nathan Fielder
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: and Emma Stone. And the first couple episodes, I was like,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: what is going on here? And now I'm like six
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: episodes in, and I love it. I think it's really good.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I'm going through, I think the curse is excellent. I'm
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: going slowly in part because it's such an intense watch.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: And also, I just feel like there's so much prestige
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: content that I want to respect it enough to not
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: binge it. The fact that a Julia Roberts movie directed
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: by Sam Esmail, who I love, just pops up one day.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: where there's a David Fincher movie with Michael Fassbender in it,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: and I can't get myself to hit play on it?
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: A new Fincher movie?
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: There needs to be better curation of the real good
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: stuff that's out there, because it is now impossible to find.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: You want a home box office.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Because they've all decided to be fucking Netflix now, and
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: so if you go to the Max app, You're just
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: like swimming through shit, you know?
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Same thing with Netflix.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Same thing with Paramount Plus, which is now Showtime's going away.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Now it's all going to be Paramount Plus. This sucks,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: this new world. Like someone needs to tell us like
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: what's the great new stuff that's out there now?
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: What if someone started a publication called the TV Guide
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: and you could go there to find out what was
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: airing and where?
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, really when you're back to the TV Guide.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to like my Entertainment Weekly.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: And then it was like, it's still calling it that,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: but it's monthly. And they're like, it's nothing now. Now
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: it's nothing.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: I love Nathan for you, but the curse, it feels
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: like it's going to make me feel so awkward that
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to get through it.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: It gets, weirdly enough, it gets less awkward and funnier
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: as it goes, I think. And it's like a real
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: satire on a lot of things.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: One book I read this year was Termination Shock, which
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I really recommend, by Neil Stevenson. I love Neil Stevenson.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: And it's everything I wanted Ministry of the Future to be,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. I just finished Yellow Face by R.F. Kuang. Fantastic book.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: You can read it in one sitting. It's great. It's fun.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: There's a follow-up question here from, uh, it's a similar
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: question from Veroska Korea, uh, who says, uh, At Jon
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Favs always says he does not read any books, even
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: making it his New Year resolution to read at least
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: one book per month. However, when he interviews guests that
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: have written a book, which happens quite often... He always
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: seems to have read them. Has he?
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Have you?
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Well, Vera.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Have you?
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, I have.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Ah.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, I have.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, you've read them all?
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: That's amazing. Now it's covered on the couch over there.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: That's so impressive.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: This is especially an offline thing.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: And I read them all. Before offline.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Every word.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: When my friend Tommy would interview people who've written books
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: and he reads, he's always like, oh, I'm reading the
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: whole book.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Don't drag me into your lie.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: And I was like, how are you reading this whole book?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: And he does. But when you do it, like for
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Pod Save America, maybe you can get away with it
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: because it's like a 15, 20 minute interview. On offline,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: on offline, it's like I'm talking on them for 45 minutes.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Of course I have to read the book. So I
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: read all the offline guest books.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: You never kind of thumb a few pages ahead?
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: You never do like a chapter?
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: TikTok, TikTok.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Doppelganger by Naomi Klein just read. A comedy book, Jesse
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: David Fox was great. Democracy Awakening, Heather Cox Richardson.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: I was just naming books.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Stolen Focus, Johan Harry.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we know you know about books. Moby Dick.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: You can listen to the episodes. You can listen to
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: the episodes. Anyway, I do that.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Here's a question for you from Twitter user Baltiner Dist.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Question for John Lovett. My primary care physician with no
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: prompting suggested I too go on experimental pancreas medicine. Now
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: that your pancreas is well treated, would you recommend it
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: to others?
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: So I listen, I've said, if I've said one thing
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: on this show, I think you all know I'm not
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: a doctor.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: It's true.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: All I will tell you is I look, Why did
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I decide to go on Manjaro? Because I felt bad
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: about how often I was failing to eat well and
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: in a way where I didn't feel guilty all the time.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: So I decided to try this thing because they give
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: you a coupon, you know, like a drug dealer outside
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: of school. They give you a deal on the first one.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: And I didn't know that.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: You didn't know drug dealers give you a deal on
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: the first one?
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: The coupon for the pancreas.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's coupons.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Buy one, get one free. There's coupons out there.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: And I like, so like, look, I've yo-yoed for a
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: long time and I've lost 20, 30 pounds before, but
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I've never done it without having to like fight tooth
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: and nail for every inch. Like it came really easily.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: And the thing that's amazing about it is it's not,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: obviously I've lost weight.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: But the way it stops like the food noise in
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: your brain and the way it has changed like my
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: relationship to food, like the first time after I took
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Manjaro and I went out for sushi and I had
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: like one sushi roll with my friend and I felt
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: really full, I realized I felt guilty. And I was like, wait,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: you feel guilty every time you're full. You don't need
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: to do that because, you know, being worried that you're
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: eating too much or not taking care of yourself or
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: that you're not achieving your goals, whatever, doesn't need to
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: be connected to the feeling of being full anymore. And
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: once those things separated, that changed my whole fucking life.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I'm driving slower out there. I am. I'm like, there's
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: like extra discipline for other things. Maybe for both of you.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was going to say where, where, where has that,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: where have you seen that?
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Are you driving slower?
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: You're not going to the restaurant?
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: I think because like my mind is not, I'm spending
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: less energy on the discipline of not eating and worrying
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: about exercise and diet. And so on the whole, I'm
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: a less impulsive and less sort of, undisciplined and procrastinating person.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Maybe subtly. I definitely experienced that.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Listen, I'm not looking. I don't need you to see it.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: I need Dan to see it.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Two of us did write a book with you over
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: the last several months.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what? Is it done? You know
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: what world we'd be living in? Remember when I would
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: work and get it to you over those weekends? Remember
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: what it would be like before that? There's no fucking
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: book if I'm not on this medicine. Anyway, do whatever
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: your doctor says. Don't take advice from me. I'm an
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: insecure and in vain Hollywood person.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: I love the way you phased the rollout of this
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: whole thing.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Because you would sort of allude to.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: It early on. In the middle of the fourth ad
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: in a Pod Save America.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: You just drop it in.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I soft launch it. I soft launch it.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Well, you travel it. Anyway, yeah.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: All I'll say is you can pry it from my cold,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: dead fucking hands. I don't care how many diabetics can't
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: access it. I'm getting it first.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: It's not.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Get behind me. Get in line behind me, diabetics. I
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: need my tummy medicine.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: We do have another question about your relationship with food.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, good.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Akalfan2 on Instagram asks, Love it. Are you an applesauce,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: sour cream, or a combo person for your latkes?
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Combo, combo, combo. I like both. A little bit of both.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: A little bit of the sour cream, a little bit
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: of sweet. It's great. Although sometimes what I'll do is
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: take a latke, Put some sour cream on top. Put
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: some smoked salmon on that bad boy. Throw some lox
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: on top. Get yourself a sandwich.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: There's like a little latke song that we sing to
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Lisette that has certain hand motions where you peel them,
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: roll it, pat it. She gets super into it.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I like the Jewish energy.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: We've got another one. Put her in the book.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Future college president.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Alright.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Last question is from Kyle man, chest hair.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is on Instagram who asks best holiday food,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving or Christmas. All right, everyone, Dan, you wanted to
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: answer this question. So what do you think?
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: Well, I am in charge of cooking Christmas dinner this year.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: And so I Googled options and here's the trick of
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: this question. Literally anything can be Christmas dinner. You want
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: to do a roast. You want to do a ham.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: You want to do lasagna, meatballs, lamb. You can do anything. So,
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: I love Thanksgiving. It is one of my favorite meals
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: of the year. So much so that we have it. Friendsgiving, Thanksgiving,
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: a lot of turkey and stuffing in November. But how
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: can you go against the holiday where you can have
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: anything you want?
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Get yourself a spiral cut ham.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: You know, I want to talk about ham.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: It's a big hock of ham. It's pre-cooked for you.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: And then someone dumps sugar all over the outside.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: That's what we do growing up for Christmas. And I
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: loved it. That was their Christmas day. It was the
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: spiral ham.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't try. I like as a Jewish American. I
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: remember the first time, ham to me existed as like
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: a lunch meat, like an Oscar Mayer thing that would
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: be a sandwich.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: And I remember seeing- Like deli cut ham.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Deli cut ham. And I remember seeing in film and
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: like cartoons that there was such a thing as like
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: a baked honey ham, but I didn't try it. I
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: remember it was at, it was a Hillary Clinton holiday party.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: So I was a full blown adult. I'd literally never
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: had it. And for the first time I had honey
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: baked ham, a spiral cut ham, I believe. And I
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: was like, I cannot, I tasted it. I could not
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: believe that you Goyasha maniacs are calling this incredibly salty,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: sweet thing an entree. An entree. The idea of.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Taking more than- Do you think it was like an
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: appetizer or a dessert?
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: No, I knew that you were describing it as an entree.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I just assumed it would- I just couldn't believe how
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: much salty, sweet that this thing was bringing to the table. Like,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: you have a couple bites, I feel like you gotta
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: take a nap.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: It's a big Easter day food, too. You're gonna have
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: some ham on Easter.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: The saltiness.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: It's wild.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: It's very salty.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: But you don't do any other... It's not like you
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: take a bite of turkey and you're like, you got
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: to drink a glass of water.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: No.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: It's just a special entree.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just a little too dry.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Right, but the honey-baked ham, the spiral-cut ham.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: So good.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Wild.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I will say, though, despite the fact that you can
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: have anything you want, that's partly why I think I
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: like Thanksgiving better is because with Thanksgiving... you know what
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: you're getting and you can look forward to the meal
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: because you know the meal.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: You're forced to suffer and eat turkey.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Well, like a haiku, it provides a creative bound.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: But for Christmas, it's depending on where you go and
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: what they decide to cook. So you don't know what
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: you're getting. So you could get something great or you
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: could get something shitty if you go to your random
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: aunt's house and they decide to make something terrible.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: Oh, you got to get better aunts.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: You go to Benihana and you have a great fucking time.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Benihana.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: You can go to Benihana on Christmas. That's the beauty
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: of it. You can go. And that's a great night.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: That's a great night. Do you look around the room?
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: You know what? If Emily hasn't had the baby yet,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: maybe we will go to Benihana.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: On Christmas Eve.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: That's a good idea.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I'd like to see the college president say that there.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: There's a great TikTok.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Come to Benihana on Christmas. Say it there. You won't
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: because it's filled with juice.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: There's a great TikTok I saw recently of a dude
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: at a Benihana dinner and he brought a bunch of
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: tortillas and he threw them onto the fryer and was like,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: that is fucking genius.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: He brought his own tortillas.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Benihana in a tortilla must be so good.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I hope everyone enjoys their Benihana Christmas. Thank you, Sean.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Or Hanukkah. Or just going to Benihana just for fun.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Bring your tortillas.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I'm going with Elise Stefanik.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Benihana.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Nice. I had to say it twice.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: That's great. Happy holidays, everyone. And we'll talk to you
• 43:27
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