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S3 25. Intelligent Design – Aleko Belavila IDC collective · Millennial Mustard Seed

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Hello, folks, this is Princess, you are listening to the
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friends. Welcome back to the show, I got
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a great episode in store for you guys.
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I have a let go here from the intelligent design Collective.
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It's a really unique conversation, aleko spent 10
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years abroad teaching in Asia, and You're up, and it's kind of
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traveled all around and he's got a background in physics and
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Science. And this is the kind of episode
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where we really look at the physical world, the material
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world, and dive into the fabric of the universe, got good, blood
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is me, right? So I'm looking at it, I'm
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hashing out and asking questions, like, where's the
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boundary between the tangible world and the spiritual realm,
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you know, I kind of pushed the bounds from my uneducated very
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curious. Active seeking to get a better
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understanding of how this science collected information of
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the modern days that we live in how that can depict the reality
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of the world. We live in in accordance with
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What God Says is designed, this is his creation.
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Then I think it's really important that we slow down and
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we hear each other out. It's never been my idea to try
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to make you guys believe what. I believe the idea here is that
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you take this journey with me, we ask critical questions.
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And and we make critical individual choices about the
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information and plus you guys it's entertaining.
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All right. That's enough of me.
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Talking aleko a shares with us. A lot of information and near
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death and counter oh oh this is a good one.
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You guys what a captivating conversation?
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Are you ready? Let's go.
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I'm I spoke to fire theft radio. I was in England and there was a
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train going by about every Or minutes.
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So I thankfully, I had a pretty decent microphone that was able
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to mostly omit that from the recording.
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But if you listen carefully, you might be able to hear it.
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I live in town house on a one-way in town.
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I got like Neighbors on. Like, every side of me, it gets
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a little noisy. So I love the idea of a starting
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early on holiday today, because most people are probably
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sleeping in now. Are you still in Philadelphia or
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where are you now? I grew up in Montgomery County,
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which is like the suburbs of Philadelphia.
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Now, I actually live closer to the City of Reading
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Pennsylvania. So if you're familiar with
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Monopoly, the reading railroad am.
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Yeah, man, so that's actually interesting area.
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Yeah, it sounds like, it sounds really fascinating.
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Well, your story sounds more. Fascinating to me, man, you just
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spent 10 years, abroad teaching, and you spent time in Vietnam.
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You just came from England, right?
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So, now you're back in the States.
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I am. Yes.
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Yeah, it's a little lengthier than that, but that's about,
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that's about it. Yeah.
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You're a teacher not anymore, not anymore.
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So I became a biology chemistry and physics teacher about 11
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years ago. I taught IGCSE curriculum.
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So that's British curriculum and I was also a teacher trainer so
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I taught pedagogical standards so we encouraged we more or less
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we taught teachers how to train or how to how to inculcate
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students. In a way that they would
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remember the material in a meaningful way.
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So that included everything from Bloom's taxonomy, like higher
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order thinking skills, and what that is more or less is teaching
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something to learn it. So, for example, if you say, if
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you do a like a graduate level degree, you often write a
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dissertation, right? You're writing on a subject that
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you don't know much about or maybe you have, you know, sort
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of fleeting experience with right?
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And the reason they Do that at The Graduate level is because
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Bloom's taxonomy is this this hierarchy of learning and at the
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very top of the hierarchy it more or less says teach
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something to learn it, right? It's you're getting.
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You're getting the students to explain something back to you
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or, you know, create an experiment or create a project
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in a way that they'll remember it years from now.
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So, you know, if a student does, you know, a homework assignment
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or they're able to maybe just your teaching and their day,
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Daydreaming, they might even be able to, you know, regurgitate
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what you just said. Even if their mind is somewhere
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else, that's what they call, a low level thinking skill.
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But if you can get somebody to do a project or to do some type
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of report and actually teach you, they're going to remember
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it in a more meaningful way. So we taught higher order
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thinking skills, we taught him constructivist classrooms
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getting students to work together.
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We more sort of a I won't say progressive, but I'll say modern
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style of teaching as opposed to the typical top down and I
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started in China. So I was in China for five years
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and, you know, I was, I guess you could call me maybe an
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agnostic, I was raised in a Greek, Orthodox household, but,
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you know, we weren't really. We were Christmas Easter only
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Christians that as you had mentioned to me earlier, you
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said, you came from that background as well.
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I remember my father, Growing up, you kind of, I think this is
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quite common, I guess, maybe in Mediterranean households, but it
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was that he almost expected us to be bringing girls home or,
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you know, maybe be not so kind about it.
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And, you know, and you see say, kind of things.
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That wouldn't be considered politically correct at all.
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Nowadays. Like, are you gay?
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You know, why aren't you, why aren't you bringing girls home?
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And so, there was this pressure almost to do things that were
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counterintuitive to what Christ has asked us to do and So yeah,
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so long story short I had worked in Las Vegas.
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My hometown up until I was about 25 and then I got married.
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And my wife is from England, she's from little town, north of
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London and she suggested that we go on a trip to India and
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Thailand and I thought okay that could be a lot of fun.
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I've the only the only trips I've ever done were dead Hawaii
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and grease basically in Florida bunch I'm so I think so we we
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left and while we were in India, she said, hey look, I found I
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found this teaching jobs in China.
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Do you want to give it a try? And my background is
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biochemistry. So I thought okay, that could be
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a lot of fun. Yeah, why not.
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So I began teaching really enjoyed it and we got hired on
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to international schools that were really.
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There was a sort of a medley of students, you had probably a
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large. A portion of them were Mainland
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Chinese, but you had German Japanese, Italian, you know,
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English students that were their learning, so it was all done in
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English. And yeah, it was good fun.
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While we were there. Probably back in 20 2011, or
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2012 2012. I was involved in a street fight
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where guy nearly hit my wife with his car and I got pretty
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aggressive with him. And you know I hit him but I
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found out very quickly that gibber.
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Watch the old. Jackie Chan movies or old,
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Bruce, Lee movies, any chance? Think that I'm like, what
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happened? So, so, okay.
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Most I would say that I've encountered most folk in China
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and I've met quite a few, because we travel to roughly 35
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cities in China while we were there.
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I don't know that they would know Kung Fu per se, but there
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is an accurate thing about About those Jackie Chan movies, and
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that's it. If you start a fight with one
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person, you know, 20 of their friends will go and grab
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gardening tools and start beating up on the person who
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started the fight and it they don't play fair at all and we've
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seen that time and again just it get it escalates quickly.
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Like you know two people will start shouting at each other one
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will shove and then you'll see guys drop out of nowhere with
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gardening tools and just start bludgeoning the person and it is
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brutal. So I hit the guy and while I was
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jabbing him down because he he wasn't going to fight me until
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his friends showed up. I felt a thud in my back and I
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had didn't know what it was but I turned around and I saw a guy
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holding a shovel essentially and I had a nightstick.
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It was like a, telescoping sort of police night stick in my bag
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and I thought. Okay.
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All right. We're Into a fight.
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Now my wife and I were biking through near Wuhan China and I
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started to walk over to my bike, but I noticed it was hard to
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move. My left leg.
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And I thought maybe, you know, there was a gentleman going, so
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you're not really thinking that clearly, but as I went to back
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so to bend over to get my bag and get the night stick out.
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I couldn't and I felt my back and I guess a hunk of my back
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came out and it was on my hand and I was bleeding and I noticed
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my shorts were completely wet. I was losing blood really
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quickly so my wife in jumps in between us and starts shouting
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at the guy and Out of nowhere. So I should give more context to
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say maybe except understand the significance of this China.
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Doesn't have Good Samaritan laws.
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So people will often get hurt in China.
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And we've seen this. Plenty of times.
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People will often get hurt and nobody will help them.
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So you'll see like a seven-year-old girl, who may be,
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you know, got clipped by a car and she'll just be lying there.
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You'll just see people walking by her not doing anything
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because In China, if someone were to want to, they could
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point at someone and say that person is responsible and then
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that person would have to pay for their hospital bills.
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So oftentimes it would be only my wife and I go.
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I'm coming to someone's Aid if we would see somebody getting
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hurt severely. Right.
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It's really crazy. There's a lot of stuff.
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We don't my wife and I don't talk about with regard to China
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because we're like nobody would ever believe this if we shared
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it but well yeah it just really insane.
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So I guess the significance is of it.
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Is this man just rolls up with this Is three-wheeled, farming,
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motorcycle and gestures me to get in.
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And I found out later that my wife had prayed about it at the
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time because she was a, she was an incredible Christian.
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She is an incredible Christian. So yeah, he threw us in the back
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of the motorcycle and wheeled us off to the hospital.
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And I was, I was shaking and shivering.
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So I was losing blood quickly and my heart was pounding and
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probably only a few minutes away from death, but When we got to
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the hospital, I found out that one of my students parents was
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one of the surgeons there and she immediately started helping
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us. She applied pressure, you know,
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she stitched me up and you know the CAT scan and yeah, it was
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really pretty pretty insane, you know.
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I it was also there was a bit of humility added to it all because
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a lot of the teachers that worked under me, I was managing
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the school as well. A lot of the teachers that
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worked under me showed up before I got stitched up, they were
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Wheeling me through the hospital with my pants down because there
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was so much blood. They couldn't figure out where
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the wound was. So they just they just dropped
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my pants and I was just on this, you know, rolling better,
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whatever it's called a gurney. And you know, basically my ass
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was being paraded to the entire hospital is, you know, just this
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really humbling thing. And all of my teachers are
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showing up and saying, hey, are you okay, what happened, what
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happened? And you know, I couldn't think
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of anything to say, but how do I look?
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You know, but yeah, so yeah, long story short, the Press they
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stitched me up. They stabilized me put me in a
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hospital room and the you could see like loads of the press
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trying to get in, to talk to me to ask me questions.
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Because it was, I mean, it was a small Chinese City, but a small
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Chinese City, basically is, like, 5 million to 8 million
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people. It was just outside of Wuhan and
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Hubei Province. So that's still pretty famous
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city I think for the last two years but so the Press was
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trying to get in but there was an armed.
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Communist police officer, that was standing at the door and
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very sort of ominously smoking a cigarette and watching me.
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So you know naturally I knew that I was going to be okay.
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I don't think any internal organs wouldn't were her.
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Thank God, but I think the thing that was the most intimidating
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was I couldn't Really move that well and there was a guy there,
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you know, from a an authoritarian a representative
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from an authoritarian government, just ominously
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standing over me for what was the entire night?
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He just stood there. So naturally I began praying and
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I said, God I could use your help here and I also said, you
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know, if you real can you can you give me some some clarity
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can, you know, help me to understand everything that
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you've done in light of my education and in light of what
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I've been taught and secular education.
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So the next day without being told about my prayer, my
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mother-in-law sent me a couple of books on intelligent design
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and I think that one of I've learned over time that one of
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God's signatures is timing. So there's this beautiful little
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idiosyncrasy, you know, this These books to show up right on
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the tail end of my prayer right now.
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I thought. Okay, well, that's pretty cool.
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One of them was Walt Browns in the beginning and I can't recall
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what the other was but I was just blown away by some of the
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stuff that I read while Brown is very credible.
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He was an engineer from MIT and he covered a whole range of
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topics in his book. I don't necessarily agree over
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time. I don't necessarily agree with
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all of the things that he said but I think he had some really
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fascinating things to say. So I went further, you know, it,
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we it was not easy to get books in China.
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A lot of books are kind of band, they only really allowed Chinese
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books but you could you could buy some western books, it
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wasn't. So I just had to download PDFs
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essentially. And I downloaded at least Robles
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the case for Christ and a couple of others and I, yeah, decided
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to give my life to to Christ. So Within a couple of months I
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was in northern China in the military Capital Dalian and I
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was baptized in a bathtub there. And yeah, so I guess the rest
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is, as you could say history after about six or seven years,
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I decided to become an apologist.
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I've just felt a written on my heart.
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I thought it might be ego at play.
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I thought, okay, well, I think I want to all I always want to
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become an apologist but you know, God could you make this
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clear that it's not just, you know, my own ego?
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At play here. And that you actually want this
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of me. I said, this, this prayer in a
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park, you know, one night and I got back into my car after I
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said this prayer. And I remember turning on my car
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in the first thing I heard was this sermon, it was just the
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middle of a sermon and the speaker said, you should always
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be prepared to defend the gospel and It just felt so significant
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but I thought, you know what got that.
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Just could be it, you know, coincidence, I'm an idiot.
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Could you maybe make this absolutely clear.
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So I went to bed that night after hearing, that pseudo
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confirmation. And the next morning, I woke up
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and my wife said, hey, I got a text message from your, your
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nephew and my nephew. Is This brilliant guy?
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He just graduated from Cambridge.
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He studied primatology and I said, oh, that's interesting.
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He's saying she said, well, he says you should become an
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apologist to their the new rock stars and I thought, okay?
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Thank you. Thank you, God.
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So it was like this really on the head sort of confirmation
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that I should get into apologetic.
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So yeah, I started the intelligent design Collective
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podcast. We're more or less week, we
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cover a range of topics similar to you but it there's no not
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really any interviews. There's just you know some
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conversations going on. We we discussed intelligent
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design and we have a book club so we read a book from a
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popular. Christian Author takes us months
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to go through the book because we sort of go through go through
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a chapter by chapter and really you know comb through it is as
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much as we can and yeah that's that's essentially it.
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So you know I continued my work in Vietnam and then yeah.
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Now I just left, Vietnam we left in January, we were in England
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for several months and then we just flew to Minnesota.
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I'm starting work at Cirrus Aircraft.
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So yeah, good fun. I knew you were the right guy to
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have on the show, man. I'm like, I'm just captivated.
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I was just listening to, you know, these bits and pieces of
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your journey, what happened to you and I know something about
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trauma physical trauma and how that can, Change our perspective
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on life and the existence of God and the timing thing, super
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super critical because you can't fake timing you know when Things
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fall into place in the things make sense it's just that's
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God's way of doing it. I really love everything you
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shared to this point man and it sounds like you know like you
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need to write a book about your life experience, some Dame and
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like whenever you feel like you get to that point, just write a
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book. Funny people would be very
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interested in listening to the elongated version of the story.
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It's awesome to find another. You know, another man in Christ
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is just not ashamed to use his gift because if I'm an elbow in
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your the knee neither one of us could say to each other, that
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there's no important because if the elbows function is to reach
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and grab a cup to give the body water, then it couldn't look
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down at the kneecap and say, hey man, you're worthless.
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Look what I can do because the knee Cap carries having crossed
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the room to get the cup. You know?
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And that's why I love connecting with people as they share their
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diversity of gifts. And to be on a shamed about it,
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man. What an introduction, dude.
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It sounds like when you got in that fight over there, I like
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before you even said it, I'm just thinking of like the Jackie
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Chan movies or Jean-Claude Van Damme have you know, like just
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throw it down out Asian and most listeners.
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Know my wife is from Southeast Asia and Love the culture, love
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the movies and thank God where she's from is pretty peaceful.
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They're the only Christian Nation while we're used to.
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So they have some morals there, but that's terrifying to hear
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about China and their society literally not having that Good
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Samaritan mentality. I think that that's one of the
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highest things. Either the Bible says, you shall
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know those who belong to me by the love.
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They have for one another. Like the Good Samaritan is one
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of those staple things for me slowing down and helping our
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neighbor. If we're not doing that, and we
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profess to Believe In Christ, we might actually want to
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re-evaluate, what form of power are we walking in?
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Is it in love, or is it just in reputation?
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Or is it an anointing? Or is it?
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Sometimes people have a difference of telling what the
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difference between an anointing is where Talent Yeah, man.
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So that that bothers me to know that.
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Obviously there's Nations all around the world and even our
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own Nation, here a lot go in the states.
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The Love is Growing cold. Clearly, as I feel like, we
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moved towards the end of the age, but for the general
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consensus to be in China that, hey, we're not even help this.
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This young girl, young guy, who whatever happened to him,
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because we're going to be responsible for their hospital
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bill. Wow, that's I didn't really know
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that was the case over there in China, but doesn't surprise me
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with all the disconnect from truthful solid information from
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one country to another. These days I feel like a lot of
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the news companies and all these big organizations that control a
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lot of the information, they just Meander through and keep
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the confusion or the infatuation going with whatever is, you
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know, the new form of rock star ISM.
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To Captivate the minds of people to keep them from actually
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diving into what the raw organic.
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Pilar things are that are going on in the world around us.
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Yeah, it really good point. Yeah.
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The absence of good man is what let starkness come in and be
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present and in Burke Ryan. I have no idea, really don't
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know. Like, I mean, I've heard a lot
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of people talk on that stuff before, but like my heart throbs
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with this idea of, if I'm not a man in my neighborhood, what's
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going to keep the people from robbing my house, right?
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If like, if we're not holding it down, if we're not being the
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light or the salt, if we're not flavor, during our work place in
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our household, from all the way back to the Greek poets, man,
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I'm a big fan of poetry are right boats for myself and you
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can see the glimmers of You know, people sharing this
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undeniable truth that I feel like there's this part of us as
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human where we have value, we want to be valued.
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We want to be treated, well right, we're not just Stardust
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fizzling at Stardust. So like, you know, like we we've
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been wonderfully and fearfully created.
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So sometimes I'll say something or feel something earlier and
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probably heard it somewhere else before.
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But I'll truly believe what I'm saying.
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And somebody said, oh, is that, that's this person's quote and
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I'll just put you have no idea. But I believe it for it Cedar,
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I'm just agreeing, you know, subconsciously with the idea
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that's relative to those of the sound mind.
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I don't know, man. But it's cool.
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It's there through cultural osmosis, he'll pick it all up.
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So I mean yeah it's a great quote, it's a great quote.
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Yeah, good points and the good points, you know, God's given
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you the ability to you know have this education in this.
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This way of speaking listening to you has challenged even some
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things about the way that I think.
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And I've always Has been a fan of like for example like Chuck
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Missler and and here's the disconnect, the world thinks
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you're like a neanderthal. I like you know, some your
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foolish right? Your.
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Oh that's the old book. Campfire Story mentality and
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here we are with modern science and their bold enough.
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They have the audacity to Proclaim all these things in the
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name of Stardust. It's like, dude, there's plenty
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of people with the gift now, not that all of us are right at all.
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Times 11 when it comes to a Chuck Missler has always said,
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but I'll tell you what, he's had me hanging off the edge of my
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chair and has challenged my Bible deeper, right?
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Like I think more men need to be doing.
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I truly do diving into the word god using their gift exposing
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like hey, this is where we can see this connect in the tangible
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real world. So take us on like a trip into,
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you know, your science background, how did that?
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Kind of work its way out. Yeah, sure.
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Well I again I yeah studied biochemistry.
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I you know, I was raised in an orthodox Orthodox background but
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I think that's a secular education is going to naturally
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push people into finding a materialistic explanation for
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the universe. And and it often goes that way
24:18
because it says well you know, we don't see God per se so it
24:24
would be Terrific to make that Proclamation.
24:27
But when you consider how God interacts with people in the
24:32
scripture and in real life, you notice that there's there's a
24:37
mark there that is, is replicatable but is impossible
24:42
to write about in scientific journals because it's not
24:46
something that can be really experienced in a group dynamic
24:50
unless God wants it to be. So, for example, we were talking
24:53
about The idiosyncrasy thing, right?
24:56
Or or God's timing, right? And often times when God's
24:59
timing is, is the answer to the prayer, just something really
25:03
significant happens but it's, you know, it's not that amazing,
25:08
but it's just the timing of it all.
25:10
It's not something you can really explain to somebody else.
25:13
Even a Christian, you know, like it.
25:15
Say for example, you know, something need to happen in
25:18
order for a prayer to be answered like a package and need
25:20
to show up. Well, you could, you could say
25:22
that, you know, you didn't think that package was going.
25:24
Show up but it showed up, you know, and there was impossible
25:28
circumstances because of it but people would just kind of raise
25:30
an eyebrow and say well that's great and that's that's fine but
25:34
what do you want me to do about, right?
25:35
And how do you find God from that?
25:37
But that that to me, walks hand-in-hand with the account of
25:41
the biblical God, a lot of what he does is personal and it's
25:46
meant solely for you and I think that that's important because
25:50
you know, if everyone were to be able to tether themselves to a
25:53
person I'll experience that you had and then all of a sudden
25:56
have their faith in riched. Well, that would be great but it
25:59
would be a zero effort thing on their part.
26:02
Right? And so, they wouldn't really
26:03
have to do the do the, the legwork, in order to, you know,
26:08
create that relationship with the father as well, right?
26:10
So, I think that the experience of God is a very personal one,
26:16
although it can be a group thing, you know, that does
26:19
happen from time to time in the scripture.
26:21
And that's, that's something that really is not.
26:25
You know, something you can put into a scientific journal.
26:29
Now, when it comes to intelligent design, you know,
26:33
Missler, I recall listening to mr.
26:35
I thought it was pretty interesting and he touches on
26:37
some some very popular popular things in his talks.
26:41
I think that he gives more of a campfire version of intelligent
26:46
design but he does touch on one of the most important
26:49
philosophical arguments in that was paley's.
26:51
Watchmaker argument. Do you remember that one?
26:54
Really. Okay?
26:56
So being a British Theologian, William Paley.
27:01
He put this argument out there and it's been replicated in a
27:03
number of different ways, but it's one of the most compelling
27:06
philosophical argument and arguments and it tethers itself
27:10
to the science, right? So science and philosophy.
27:13
Often need to be Blended together in order to make
27:17
assumptions about Grand unifying cosmology, right?
27:21
That's essentially what metaphysics is or You know,
27:25
cosmology, right? So there's a number of things we
27:27
just don't know about with regard to deep space or the
27:31
creation of the universe. So we take the science that we
27:34
can observe on Earth and we make a big assumption.
27:37
A big philosophical assumption about the universe and that's
27:40
where we get, you know, our pendants are paintings from.
27:43
So William Paley once stated that if you came across a watch
27:48
sitting in the sand at the beach, And you pondered its
27:52
Origins while analyzing is, he picked up a Seiko, you know,
27:55
that you found in the sand. Right, your first assumption
27:57
would likely not be that over millions of years and through
28:01
chance. Processes Adams, spontaneously
28:04
gathered through the lineage of random mutations and
28:08
environmental adaptations, right?
28:11
So you would also likely not assume that the watch had
28:14
ancient ancestors, which formed self replicating cells that then
28:18
bunched into more complex forms and Eventually, Advanced onto
28:23
dividing in asexual, reproduction or rather
28:26
reproduction without to people. But one person writes, it was
28:29
just one, watch reproducing, like a cell, right?
28:32
Which is how they say humans started.
28:35
You know, you know when we were once single-celled, organisms,
28:39
we were dividing. And then eventually somehow
28:41
spontaneously produced a completely compatible
28:45
reproductive partner which is another thing all that's
28:47
another, you know, Rabbit Hole together.
28:50
But I'll maybe get into that later.
28:53
So you know if you are observing this watch, you would probably
28:57
also find it hard to believe that it's, you know, reproduced
29:02
sexually or it had maybe parents that you know produced to
29:05
slightly less Advanced want, there's two slightly less
29:08
Advanced watches that produced it a slightly more advanced
29:11
watch which walks hand-in-hand with evolutionary theory, right?
29:15
So without without question, many people would acknowledge
29:18
that a watch filled with cogs. Watch hands numbers in the steel
29:22
casing and some some type of power source like a battery
29:26
falling together by complete accident or natural, Randomness
29:30
is absurd. So, what is fascinating, is that
29:34
while some would view this is silly.
29:36
I think most people would view that as silly as the human wrist
29:40
that a watch would be resting on is exponentially more
29:43
complicated than the watch itself.
29:46
The watch is what you would call an open-loop system in
29:49
engineering. So in open loop, System has only
29:51
a few controls or feedback items, integrated into its
29:55
design. These are typically used to
29:57
tweak activity variables, in order to promote the preferred
30:01
efficiency of the item in the open-loop system.
30:03
So with a watch, you've got a little crown or maybe a couple
30:06
of buttons. You've got the ability to remove
30:09
the battery or put the battery back in.
30:11
Another example, would be maybe a washing machine depending upon
30:15
the quantity of garments or how dirty they were a user.
30:19
Could adjust the rolls to a particular length of time and
30:22
intensity in order to generate a desired output inside the
30:27
washing machine. There are some simple machine
30:30
parts, maybe even a basic computer, but most importantly,
30:34
the washing machine needs repair and is not self-aware and it
30:39
doesn't legitimately know if the clothes are clean or not.
30:43
Akin to, the watch, the watch doesn't know what time it is.
30:46
It's just, you know, it's created to tell the time, The
30:51
wrist that the watch would be resting on, however, is what you
30:53
would call a hyper complex, closed loop engineering system,
30:58
a closed loop system, is generally defined as a
31:01
mechanical device, that has self-regulation over one or more
31:04
variables in its operation processes.
31:07
Mostly without control interaction or input.
31:09
So they vary from open loop systems because they typically
31:12
have both Hardware or moving components and software, which
31:17
controls and measures operations.
31:20
To maintain desired output closed loop systems are very
31:24
challenging to create and typically can be far from
31:27
Flawless. So, one example of this would be
31:30
a window near a thermostat, right?
31:32
So that's a simple closed loop design during during the winter.
31:37
You know, if the window is open, you would cause the room to
31:40
overheat because the thermostat was detecting that cold air was
31:43
hitting it and the room was too cold.
31:45
Right? So, in the case of the wrist,
31:47
what is observed is a Closed loop system that can adapt to
31:52
ambient conditions fight off potential.
31:55
Invaders is largely self-maintaining and is
31:59
controlled by software in this case, human consciousness.
32:03
So from an engineering perspective, the wrist is many
32:07
orders of magnitude more complex than the watch and more baffling
32:12
would be the notion of a, you know.
32:14
So the wrist is it what we call a relatively simple, part of the
32:17
body, you can think of an eye following together by Canary
32:20
accident, even throughout millions of years, many
32:23
biologists, make this claim about life.
32:25
In general, will not even ruminating on the complexity of
32:27
the eyes, or the brains, or the digestive systems that most
32:31
life-forms possess. So, as an attempted for oil in
32:35
the 1700s philosopher, David Hume suggested that living
32:40
systems only have the appearance of machines and also said that,
32:44
you know, unless it can be proven that living systems are
32:47
machines at the molecular level, that the watchmaker argument is
32:50
Irrelevant Darwin. Himself said that if it could be
32:53
proved that at the microscopic level cells are complex.
32:57
His entire Theory would be up Ended as well, and lo and behold
33:01
the electron microscope was invented and might modern
33:05
microbiology demonstrated that even the simplest organisms are
33:09
complex machines beyond our imaginations as so Michael
33:14
Denton, a British Australian biochemist noted that although
33:17
the tiniest bacterial cells are incredibly small.
33:20
All each is in effect, a super miniaturized Factory, containing
33:24
thousands of exquisitely, designed pieces of intricate
33:28
molecular Machinery, made up of 100 billion atoms, far more
33:32
complicated than any machine ever built by man.
33:35
And absolutely, without parallel in the Machine World there's
33:39
another quote that I like from astrophysicists drained F Louis
33:42
and Luke a Barnes And they Defined Life as a miracle of
33:47
complexity in every single cell and they Also, noted that cells
33:52
have machinery for moving themselves, tagging, and
33:54
transporting other molecules processing food defending
33:58
against Invaders DNA, replication and repair creating
34:02
proteins, as well as receiving and sending outside messages
34:06
cells. Can also duplicate themselves in
34:08
a very short amount of time and they finally noted that
34:11
computers created by humans are good, but they don't even come
34:16
close to this. So what's significant about this
34:19
is Biologists are often the only ones who tend to make this claim
34:27
about about life that it just gradually gets more advanced.
34:31
But in fact, we don't see this in any data because it violates,
34:39
what we call the month laws of physics, right?
34:42
So the, the violates entropy and thermodynamic equilibrium
34:47
constant and entropy more or less suggests that Things Decay
34:51
over time unless there's some type of intelligent input.
34:55
So for example, you know, you have a baby that's produced
35:00
which is this hyper complex thing with, you know,
35:03
Consciousness and it's essentially a perfect machine
35:07
that will last for 80 to 100 years, depending on, you know,
35:11
environmental factors. But the only reason it exists or
35:16
was produced was because two intelligent beings put it
35:19
together, right? But when you To you don't have
35:21
some type of intelligent input, entropy takes hold of things in
35:25
case in point would be the Earth.
35:28
Or, you know, something decaying falling apart, you know, take,
35:31
for example, here's a clumsy analogy, but, you know, I think
35:34
Missler use this one. You know, your room over time,
35:37
it's going to just become ugly. If you're not constantly fixing
35:42
it, organizing it putting it back in order because that is
35:45
essentially what entropy is things Decay and sort of fall
35:48
apart over time. If there's not some type of
35:50
intelligent input and thermodynamic equilibrium
35:54
constant states that all matter, Trends toward spreading evenly,
35:59
right? So it's the reason why you
36:01
don't, you know, all the air in your room, doesn't Bunch up in
36:04
one corner and suffocate you, right?
36:06
Because matter Trends towards spreading evenly.
36:09
So a planet forming or life self-forming against these two
36:14
laws entropy, which means everything is decaying or
36:18
thermodynamic equilibrium. Which says that everything
36:21
spreads evenly means that there has to be some type of
36:25
intelligent input. You have physicists.
36:29
Like this is very long-winded. So stop if I'm going too far.
36:33
But well yeah, physicists are people like Brian Cox or Brian
36:39
Greene. We were two very famous
36:41
physicists. And I actually enjoy their books
36:43
state that you might have had things like pockets of entropy
36:46
are pockets of dis entropy, right?
36:48
So times when he slowed down and all of a sudden, you know, a
36:53
single cell could form, but the simple fact of the matter is,
36:56
we've never witnessed that and there's no reason we would ever
36:59
have. There's nothing that we've seen
37:02
in nature and or observable science.
37:04
That would lead us to believe that.
37:07
All we know is that the universe is in a state of decay, and we
37:11
have these hyper complex things in the form of life, statistics
37:17
analysis, sorry, statistics analysts, say that.
37:21
The odds of something becoming unlikely are typically around 1
37:26
in 1,000, right? So, the odds of Life appearing
37:30
from nowhere are, you know, exponentially greater than that?
37:33
So, I think it was a dr. Stephen C, Meyer of Cambridge,
37:37
who said that the odds of forming a functional cell
37:40
through absolute chaos and entropy from a proposed, amino
37:44
acid Rich primordial pool, which is what some people suggest is
37:49
you know. What cause life on Earth is more
37:52
than one chance in a hundred thousand trillion trillion
37:55
trillion. We see how I mean look at my
37:57
notes here and me. See if okay a hundred thousand
38:00
trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion
38:03
trillion trillion trillion. How many zeros is it until it's
38:07
considered absurd. It's ya know, I'm tracking with
38:12
what you're saying and this is really good because a lot of the
38:15
times culture will train us to see only through the perspective
38:19
that Of value to that organization that school or that
38:23
consumer system, right? Let's look at what other people
38:27
said. Let's look at the physics.
38:29
The structure of this world around us, and try to make sense
38:33
of it. My biblical filter will
38:34
register. Hey, this verse may very well,
38:38
have been in regards to the unknown information.
38:43
Christ, says I hold all things together, well, it's not until
38:46
modern day, that we'd learn about laminate in this cell
38:49
adhesion protein. Molecule that's shaped naturally
38:52
in the shape of a cross looks like a rebar the human body.
38:55
When you're saying this stuff, man, it's really developing this
38:58
deeper hunger and excitement within me because I feel like
39:02
we're systematically undoing the tainting of, you know, the
39:08
world's agenda to remove Christ from the Forefront of our mind.
39:12
He says, all things were created through him for him and by him
39:16
and I think there's nothing wrong with taking this
39:19
scientific style Oprah. It's to just looking at the
39:22
world around us and then also bathing into the scriptures and
39:25
like a Berean looking for, for where they connect.
39:28
Where do you think? Science does draw the line
39:30
between what's natural to Supernatural.
39:34
You see a like sacred divided in between the two categories of
39:38
where they're like, no, that's too far.
39:39
We don't even go there. Yeah, it's a good question.
39:42
I think that it's a bit subjective in terms of what my
39:45
answer might be but I think it's pretty obvious to the public
39:49
that The scientific process is actually a, it's actually a
39:54
beautiful process when you think about it and, you know, the way
39:57
we discern things, but scientists themselves don't need
40:01
to be objective and that's proved time and time again in
40:05
terms of what we see in terms of the actions of science.
40:08
No matter what, what camp you fall in with regard to, and this
40:11
is a bit of a touchy subject but the covid-19 camp now, what no
40:15
matter what can't be fall into, you see that there's a complete
40:18
lack of objectivity. With with scientists and this is
40:22
kind of a roundabout way of answering your question, but
40:25
scientists will do. Whatever it takes to promulgate
40:32
their own success, whatever that might that might look like for
40:35
them, you know, maybe it fiscal success or or you know maybe
40:40
notoriety popularity and I do believe that there are many
40:45
scientists even secular ones out there that are out for the
40:47
greater good. They're genuinely curious.
40:50
But oftentimes you see flighty claims being made or maybe even
40:57
slightly. Ones that are based on the
41:00
Kernel of truth, that will increase their chances of
41:04
funding, that will increase their chances of of notoriety.
41:09
In one, one thing comes to mind would be, for example, I've got
41:14
to recall the names of the planet.
41:15
So they think it was Kepler-186f and Trappist 1D.
41:20
They constantly go on about these two planets in their
41:27
different. Current system altogether,
41:30
right? And using Doppler effect,
41:32
they're able to determine that. These planets are in the
41:34
Goldilocks zone and that means it's the perfect distance from
41:38
there. Start to Harbor life, right?
41:39
Not too hot, not too cold, the right size using using Doppler
41:45
effect, right? So it's a, it's a very sketchy
41:48
way to try to determine where these planets are to begin with,
41:52
right? So because you have things like
41:53
gravitational lensing which distorts our field of view.
41:58
You have a variable speed of light Theory, which suggests
42:01
that the speed of light is not constant.
42:03
It can change from time to time and then you have, you know,
42:06
human instrument limitations. We're using, you know, pretty
42:10
primitive stuff to to make very big claims about about these
42:15
planets in. There's a lot of chance that it
42:18
could be slightly inaccurate if not mostly inaccurate though.
42:22
I like this type of talk. I think it's very interesting,
42:25
they're the scientists are more or less saying You know what?
42:28
These are these kids, these could have life.
42:32
So, you know, I'll propose things like this to, to my
42:35
students and say, well, you know why, why would scientists
42:38
constantly go on about this? Why would they reported to the
42:40
media and the students, you know, oftentimes, you know,
42:44
we'll get the answer right? You know, they have a more
42:46
simplified way of looking at things but, you know, the same
42:49
well, money, right. You know, the essentially means
42:51
funding for them and that's exactly the truth, you know,
42:54
even if it's not to line their own pockets and they just want
42:57
to, you know, no, let's just say they have a very magnanimous
42:59
perspective and they just want to grow their program.
43:02
Making a crazy claim is going to bring attention to your program.
43:06
It's going to gain the attention of investors.
43:08
This is again this is a very roundabout way of answering but
43:13
I suppose providing context is really important.
43:15
I think that you know, the line can be shifted wherever it needs
43:20
to be shifted as long as as long as it will bring attention to a
43:24
program. It won't stomp on that you know,
43:27
scientist in Work. You know, there's a lot of
43:30
scientists who have done done work and that has been upended
43:34
by recent discoveries that will defend their work to the Grave
43:38
only because it dis, you know, the, the new discovery kind of
43:42
discredits what they've done. Right.
43:45
There's a lot of scientists that have completely made things up
43:47
because of, because of the attention of brings one, one
43:52
that comes to mind that still in textbooks today is Okay, Ernst
43:58
heichal about 100 and I want to say, 110 years ago, 120 years
44:02
ago, you have to look this up. I don't recall the day.
44:05
He falsified sketches of embryos and what he did was he drew gill
44:10
slits into embryos of different animals.
44:14
He had humans, you know, annum variety of animals and he
44:18
essentially, you know, indicated, these were gills.
44:21
And what the implication was was that, well, you know, in the
44:25
womb All animals, go through, they version of The evolutionary
44:30
process. So you can see that we were all
44:31
fish at one point, but the simple fact of the matter is
44:35
that the they're not gills at all.
44:37
They have nothing to do with the respiratory system, they're just
44:39
these ridges that are analogous structures.
44:42
And the yeah, they don't, they don't point to us being fish or
44:47
any animals being fish out of an fish in the slightest.
44:52
So but the thing is you know, I have recent textbooks from Um,
44:56
Cambridge have some textbooks from the US that I've taught out
44:59
of that still indicate this to this day.
45:03
And I guess it's an example of authoritative parenting where,
45:06
you know, people hear somebody who they think is important
45:09
saying something. And they just pair it it they
45:11
just repeat what they said because they don't you know,
45:15
really want to look into it. They're just kind of they've got
45:16
their own worries, right? So I guess the point I'm trying
45:19
to make is as long as it doesn't stomp on the scientists, the
45:24
scientists and questions work. And as long as they think that
45:29
they can generate interest, I don't think that the line is
45:34
stratified, you know, it can move wherever they needed to
45:37
move in and you see that today with with things like you APS
45:42
where that was our UFOs or whatever that we're that was
45:45
kind of a taboo subject, maybe two decades ago, or even five
45:48
years ago. But there's a lot of information
45:51
being released about them and now all of a sudden, you have
45:54
people like is some of my favorite authors, like Mitchell.
45:56
Kaku and, you know, I don't I can't see anyone else but you
46:01
know, off the bat you know, Michio Kaku.
46:03
I remember he came on a couple of podcasts recently.
46:06
He's been on the news. He's discussed You know, the
46:10
very notion of UFOs, something that would have maybe gotten you
46:16
laughed out of some serious circles, perhaps a few years
46:19
ago. So it aligned can move wherever
46:22
it needs to move. There's you know if it can be
46:26
wherever it needs to be as very roundabout way.
46:28
It's hurting your question. So no, I know I think you
46:31
actually got to the root of the issue of the question being that
46:36
the context is so important because Being aware of the fact
46:40
that they move the line in accordance with their agenda,
46:43
helps us to then not be so easily, LED astray by whatever
46:47
the information that's floating around today, right?
46:50
Like the premises of the show, like in my notes for the podcast
46:54
is listen, there's a million messages in a million signals
46:57
that are causing confusion and Chaos.
47:00
Let's take this journey together and you know, discovering this
47:03
ultimate truth, right? Like what do we believe is true?
47:06
So to see how they just like me Manipulate where the line falls
47:11
from the natural world, to what some consider to be the
47:14
supernatural World. They Bend IN manipulate that
47:18
depending on what their agenda is or what's relevant at the
47:21
time. I think you kind of giving the
47:23
context and sharing that perspective actually was much
47:26
more respectable my opinion. You know, I've heard I think it
47:29
was dr. Chuck Missler talk about take a
47:31
piece of string and you cut that piece of string in half and you
47:35
would imagine you could just keep cutting that other half.
47:38
In half, right? And you just keep doing that
47:40
forever. But you eventually get to this
47:43
this part where it loses a property called locality.
47:47
It's like that little piece of string.
47:50
Now, just becomes everywhere, once it's it falls into like the
47:54
classification of plasma the Bible's always said, we are the
47:59
shadow of a larger reality I believe I have this biblical
48:04
filter my aspirations. Clearly outweigh of my
48:08
education. I let everybody know that like
48:10
you know think crazy at times and say things it's not always
48:14
exactly like coming from, you know, the campus certainty but
48:18
maybe philosophizing a little bit at times hearing that kind
48:21
of information from Chuck Missler when you're a little
48:24
kid, you believe you already have this like mindset where you
48:28
would already believe. If somebody said hey Bird flu by
48:33
up there, right? Or like an angel, or God's real.
48:36
Whatever like you would be easy and belief and I'm not talking
48:39
about being gullible, the world would like, oh, you're just
48:42
depicting a childlike mentality and an adult who would just
48:45
believe anything and you guys are the very reason why things
48:47
are wrong. No, no, honestly, look at the
48:50
placebo effect. But there's power and belief,
48:54
like even if you believe in something that would be contrary
48:57
to would the, I believe in there still powering.
48:59
So there's this, like, Realm behind the realm that like, I've
49:03
always felt sensitive to electrical.
49:06
And for me, personally, I think the supernatural world is going
49:10
to be that timing that power that almost undisputable
49:15
personal experiences that happen intermittently over the course
49:18
of the experiencers life that reveal the realm Within ROM, my
49:23
Kaiser wrote, the biblical narrative has this thread all
49:27
the way through it of this Angelic world.
49:30
You know, this, this other realm God being spirit and inhabiting
49:34
Eternity. But yet we're operating in this
49:37
physical temporary world. I know it sounds like I'm
49:40
jumping around a lot, not as my time.
49:44
This realm between the realm. If you have a computer, it's
49:48
just some materials plastic and polymers, or whatever goal, you
49:51
know, whatever you make a computer, you could upload. 500.
49:55
Gigabytes of information in computer, you put it on a scale,
49:58
it still weighs exactly the same, you know, nothing changes.
50:01
It weighs the same without the information uploaded to the
50:03
computer as if it would if it was completely blank and empty
50:06
hard drive with with no information on it, I like in
50:09
that kind of thought process to like that realm behind this
50:13
Isabel realm, the word of God being, you know, sharper than a
50:17
double-edged sword, man. It separates it teaches us to
50:21
speak life. This old papaya, this Bible book
50:24
that has transformed the hearts of men and women.
50:28
But thousands of years that to me is like the evidence of the
50:31
behind-the-scenes realm, you know, the supernatural document
50:35
that doesn't abide by the laws of physics biology or science in
50:40
general, something's happening that we can't quite get a grasp
50:44
or and the guy next door, the lady down the street news.
50:46
This, how does science in general deal with the
50:50
supernatural? Look at like Albert Einstein was
50:52
spooky action at a distance, you know, any of these like, great
50:55
influencers throughout history. And they're always hinting at
50:58
this strange world that we can't get under the microscope, I
51:02
don't know. Sorry for going on such a long
51:04
Grant there, but I know it's great, it's great.
51:06
Yeah, yeah, I just see like the cultural and the cultures of the
51:10
world, the education system religion, this consumerism and
51:13
Howdy the violence entertainment, the individual
51:16
traumas as well, as you know, the large-scale traumas.
51:19
You know, just look at 20:20 and the pandemic, what?
51:23
That's done to people mentally and I see all of that in a
51:28
unique way to an extent, all of it has, my opinion been
51:32
manipulated, and used the lines have been changed and moved
51:36
around in order to keep people from really being able to
51:39
connect, you know, keep people from being cordial with each
51:42
other. Like, and having A good honest
51:44
discussion. Even if we disagree still being
51:46
respectable enough to share information, like what are we
51:49
going to do with frequency the human body?
51:51
The super complex machine, we can put off a frequency of Love
51:55
or fear, whatever it may be. You know, all these natural
51:58
organic materials, do put off a frequency, what world does that
52:02
operate in? Is that on the cusp of the
52:04
supernatural side of things, you know, anything on that.
52:09
No, you know, that's that's probably out of my field of
52:12
study. But yeah, it's a comment on some
52:14
of the things that you said and I do have some thoughts on on
52:18
your question, but new to comment on some of the things
52:21
that you said, I think you brought up some really
52:22
interesting points. You talked about splitting the
52:25
line and cutting the line and how it you know people at one
52:30
point thought that you could divide matter down infinitely
52:33
because it was the primary building block of existence but
52:37
they're the measurement, you talk.
52:38
Thing about is planck length and it's a 10 to the minus 30 fifth,
52:43
that, at a certain point, matter loses a locality, right?
52:47
And that, if you combine that with the idea of atoms, like,
52:53
for example, it's helium. You the distance between the
52:58
nucleus and the electron, if you were to blow it up, is about the
53:03
size of a football field. So I'm sorry if you were to
53:06
proportionately, make the the The atom bigger, the distance
53:10
between the middle of the atom and the outside of the atom is
53:15
the distance of a football field at a certain size, right?
53:18
So what the implication is that atoms are mostly empty space and
53:26
what's the reason why you have things that feel solid, the
53:30
reason why you can't pass your hand through your desk is
53:32
because of the electromagnetic force.
53:34
So, a reductionist perspective of That is that everything that
53:39
you see in everything that you touch is light.
53:41
It's electromagnetism, it's, it's almost a thought and, you
53:48
know, that that kind of walks hand-in-hand with simulation
53:51
Theory. But when you consider the notion
53:54
of ndes or near-death experiences, I think one of the
53:57
most fascinating things that I read about sorry I speak about
54:01
this as if you know about it I'm assuming you do because it's in
54:04
the Zeitgeist but you have these people that, you know, have had
54:08
Very significant and almost provable some in some cases,
54:12
very provable near-death experiences where they have a
54:17
vision of heaven. And one of the recurring motifs
54:20
of those experiences is that people say that the the realm of
54:25
Heaven is more real than what they experience on Earth.
54:29
Earth feels like the fuzzy sort of hazy realm as Heaven is often
54:33
depicted in TV shows as fuzzy hazy place with clouds and you
54:37
know, people have wings and all that stuff.
54:38
But they say that going back to Earth.
54:40
Earth feels like the place. That's not real and Heaven feels
54:44
like a place that they've been gone from.
54:46
You know it feels like they've gone back home.
54:49
So I find that really fascinating, you know, this this
54:51
notion of a simulated world. And I think one of the most,
54:55
this is a bit Fringe. This is a bit perhaps even
54:59
esoteric, and and clumsy as well.
55:02
But I think one analogy that our book club stumbled on for the
55:08
Relationship of God, the father and God the son, you know,
55:11
Christ, obviously, and his interaction with the world is
55:15
something that humans have stumbled on through technology.
55:18
And that's, that's the video game analogy that God.
55:21
The father is the person in control of the, I guess the
55:24
character and Christ is the character in the video game and
55:28
we're sort of the NPC's. But that again, that's a bit a
55:32
bit silly. Obviously we're not NPC's.
55:33
We have Consciousness. We have thought we have, we have
55:36
will. Yeah.
55:37
But That said, you know, something that humans have sort
55:41
of stumbled on that, you know, God is the creator.
55:44
He's, you know, in control of every atom, as we know through
55:49
the cosmological proof for God. And that the Video Game World is
55:55
this place where, you know, he or the in the simulation will
55:59
displace where he interacts with us and he's able to speak to us
56:03
through his son Christ, you know?
56:05
So again that's clumsy and you could pick all kinds of holes in
56:08
it. There.
56:08
There are issues with that but I really like that analogy as it
56:11
was brought up a few months ago in her book club.
56:13
Yeah, you mentioned the notion of children, understanding and
56:17
believing things. And I wrote that note as you
56:20
were saying that it was Alison gopnik from UC Berkeley, which
56:24
is a very liberal institution and she herself is an atheist
56:28
and she tries to promote atheism, but she had determined
56:31
in a study of young children. And I don't know what the sample
56:35
size was here. That children as young as five
56:38
I've even children brought up an atheist households invoke a
56:43
god-like designer in order to explain the world around them.
56:46
So it's naturally built into children to see a Creator in the
56:51
world. It has to be I wouldn't say
56:55
pulled out of them, but it has to be blocked or covered with,
56:59
you know, liberal sort of materialist inculcation in order
57:04
to stop that or stymie. That that that progression.
57:08
But, you know, you know, with regard to, and I'm jumping from
57:11
place to place too. And maybe just trying to comment
57:13
on what you said. I think you had some really
57:15
interesting points when it comes to technology.
57:17
I think it's really fascinating and I am learning the Bible more
57:21
and more as I go along. So I'm by no means a Biblical
57:24
scholar but it's one of the most fascinating Journeys.
57:28
I've been going on recently, but it brings to mind that, you
57:32
know, the notion of the Unholy Trinity as some people call it
57:36
and you know, from from Revelation you have sort of the
57:41
Counterpoint to the real Holy Trinity which would be I guess a
57:45
devil I suppose or Satan as you know, being that version of the
57:50
father then you have the you know obviously the two Take
57:53
Christ figures in Revelation, which could be, I guess some
57:57
bastardization of the Sun and some people have.
58:01
And this is reading a narrative into the Bible.
58:03
This isn't necessarily provable, but I thought it was kind of
58:05
interesting. I heard this perspective
58:06
recently that the media is a version of the Unholy spirit.
58:10
It's a way of producing information quickly that's false
58:14
and sort of controlling the minds of the world and I didn't
58:20
take it lightly even though you know it's something I would want
58:22
to look into and And I don't know if it's completely
58:25
biblically sound, I didn't take it lightly because I thought
58:27
that's really fascinating when you think about it because the
58:30
name of the devil in Greek Viva Las.
58:34
The literal translation is to be of two minds, right?
58:37
Via Volos. But the colloquial translation
58:41
of devil is the slanderer, right?
58:43
So, to take the truth in skew, it slightly and you have a lot
58:47
of half. I think more than just direct
58:49
evil in the media. Yeah the internet or On TV more
58:55
than direct evil. You have a lot of half-truths,
58:57
you have a lot of half-truths being presented where people are
59:00
like, okay well that's true but that's not but I'll still roll
59:03
with it to see where this goes in, you know, entertainment or
59:07
even in the news, right. I think that's really
59:09
interesting that there's it's almost the media in very very
59:13
many ways has the same modus operandi as the devil.
59:17
You know, just slightly misleading things that cause
59:21
people to rescue their abs. Yeah, it was a bit of a word
59:25
salad. With all the different messages
59:29
that are going out, causing a lot of confusion and Chaos.
59:32
People do listen to podcast. Now, not saying that they take
59:35
anything that I produce or other people produce as ultimate
59:38
truth, but there's nothing wrong with tossing, these ideas around
59:43
and sharpening up on different perspectives.
59:46
Personally. I like to go to the Bible then
59:48
and white God in and just say, Lord, give me the wisdom to know
59:52
what I need to know for, for your purposes.
59:54
For me, calls me to be a Berean in this, Help me to not lose
59:59
that. Love for my household for my
1:00:00
family, for my neighbors, help me to be the essence of the very
1:00:04
thing that I desired when I invited you in.
1:00:06
And I repented in my heart and to kind of tie it back to the
1:00:11
beginning here, quick. When you're talking about what
1:00:13
happened to you over there, you know, outside of Wuhan in China,
1:00:16
when you got attacked for all those listeners that may have
1:00:20
experienced that, or know, someone close to them, who has
1:00:24
had a near-death experience, a lot of work, Lionel echo or
1:00:28
talking about is going to become a natural interest.
1:00:32
If you're an experienced or to the extent of you've been shaken
1:00:35
and woken up out of the reality of consumerism and what my
1:00:40
favorite sports team is, or my favorite shoes, or what?
1:00:43
My dream car is elected, that world comes crashing down at any
1:00:46
point in time through our temporary existence as strangers
1:00:50
that are passing through on this Earth and there's some ups and
1:00:54
some Downs, there's some highs and some lows, we We all know
1:00:58
that each one of us has a story that at times can be beautiful,
1:01:01
ugly, good. If you've ever come to the point
1:01:04
where you've almost lost everything, I'm talking about,
1:01:06
literally you're about to separate from your physical body
1:01:10
and enter into this unknown world that every religion and
1:01:13
culture is philosophized about since the beginning of time as
1:01:17
ground shattering to the point where If you're not interested
1:01:21
in who God really is what's really going on around you.
1:01:25
You didn't really have the experience.
1:01:27
I know that's a bold claim but If it all comes crashing down,
1:01:31
man, and you survived your going to want to know what happened.
1:01:34
If you didn't, you know her, why did it come crashing down?
1:01:38
So it for me, aleko talking with you and diving into these topics
1:01:43
is literally what helps what helps me be able to sleep at
1:01:47
night. You know, I have so many
1:01:48
questions and thoughts and I love reading the Bible and I'm a
1:01:51
Watchman on the wall in my own opinion, looking at the world
1:01:53
around me and just talking with God and saying, Lord, protect me
1:01:56
from this Lord, what do I need to know about that?
1:01:58
Not Insinuating that I always get the right response from him
1:02:02
because I still Sheriff Russell was saying, no, I won't sit here
1:02:05
and say that, you know, I have no sin, I see it as being
1:02:08
critical to encourage the listeners.
1:02:11
The body of Christ out there, don't be afraid of The Fringe
1:02:14
topics, the Bible's not going to disappear.
1:02:16
If we ask weird questions about it, we're not going to get
1:02:19
scolded by God. If we talk about science or the
1:02:23
world around us, whether it be megalithic structures or
1:02:26
energies. Frequencies be careful of new
1:02:28
ageism you guys. Guys, stay steer clear of
1:02:31
anything like the Bible says, test all Spirits, right?
1:02:34
If they confessed Christ is who he says, he is.
1:02:37
If the Messiah the Lamb of God Has Come In the Flesh, and he
1:02:41
has risen again, that is from God.
1:02:43
Now, we all are in a state of coming to Perfection.
1:02:47
If we believe in Christ, he's working this out in us.
1:02:50
Let go. I've listened to just enough
1:02:52
your episodes. Since discovering you that I
1:02:54
know you're going to continue to help me in an area that I don't
1:02:58
know where to go. Some of Information.
1:03:00
There's so many signals out there that sometimes you just
1:03:03
know deep down in. This is somebody.
1:03:05
I feel a level of comfort listening to allowing to
1:03:08
challenge the way that I think about it.
1:03:10
As long as my response is to always dig back into the word
1:03:14
and to pray in our secret place. About a lot of these topics that
1:03:17
come up. So I hope to have you back for
1:03:20
part two. I feel like so many more
1:03:22
questions, but I know we both got the day ahead of us.
1:03:24
We're celebrating July 4th today.
1:03:26
Oh yeah, yeah, fill in anything that He feels necessary as we
1:03:31
kind of wind down here and then share with the audience where
1:03:33
they can find you books, your content websites.
1:03:37
Definitely. Yeah, well, I mean, it's comment
1:03:39
on some of the things that you said I think you brought up some
1:03:43
some really great points and and I think that as you mentioned
1:03:47
you seeking Christ. Prayerfully is the most
1:03:50
important thing. I think Missler, even once said
1:03:54
if If a momentary exposure to this, this material doesn't lead
1:04:01
you into an obsession. Then I would argue that you're
1:04:04
not paying attention or you didn't have the experience,
1:04:06
right? So it just kind of walks
1:04:09
hand-in-hand with what you said and I think he also, you know,
1:04:11
he suggested, you know, people keep a journal of things that
1:04:14
confuse them. So if you know something you
1:04:17
come across something that's just really esoteric.
1:04:20
But you know what happened and you're perplexed by it, write it
1:04:25
down and pray about And in some way some, you know, some crazy
1:04:30
happening, you know, be it, you know, friend that comes and
1:04:33
talks to you or something you hear on the radio.
1:04:36
When you're switching channels, God will answer the prayer.
1:04:40
If you have a question, you won't always give you the answer
1:04:44
you want, but he will tell you what you need to know.
1:04:47
So I think that to yeah people want to come and and listen it
1:04:53
is, it's the intelligent design Collective pain.
1:04:56
Cast. We're trying to switch over to
1:04:57
IDC because it's a big mouthful. IDC podcast.
1:05:03
You can. Yeah, you can you can find us at
1:05:06
that podcast. I also have a book on Google
1:05:10
play, audiobooks and on Audible. It's the pillars of intelligent
1:05:15
design. To be honest with you, I just
1:05:17
haven't had the time to promote it yet, but you know, a lot of
1:05:21
people have listened to it for free on episode 137 of our
1:05:25
podcasts. You can just go there and listen
1:05:27
to it for free, but yeah, we'd be happy to have more people to
1:05:32
join our book club as well, which is about a third of our
1:05:35
podcast. So we, yeah, we spend about 90
1:05:39
minutes, it used to be every week but now we're going to be
1:05:42
doing it every other week and we just get together and we talk
1:05:44
about a couple of chapters. So we've covered a lot of books.
1:05:47
So far, we started with Michael as heiser's the Unseen realm.
1:05:51
You brought up eyes earlier. I thought was pretty interesting
1:05:54
and we done done quite a few. You.
1:05:56
But we normally, you know, a lot of book clubs the format, is you
1:05:59
read the book and then you come, give your, your thoughts on it.
1:06:01
But, you know, myself being a teacher, I knew people would
1:06:05
skip chapters. So I thought, okay, we'll just
1:06:07
go, we'll go chapter by chapter that way.
1:06:10
It's also, you know, you don't feel overwhelmed by it and just
1:06:15
come and give your thoughts. But yeah, we done Heiser.
1:06:18
We've done five proofs of the existence of God by Edward
1:06:22
phaser. We've done Craig as keener's
1:06:24
Miracles, which Which was a paradigm shifting book.
1:06:29
For one of our members, we have this gentleman who's in our club
1:06:33
who was a mountie. So he was a former police
1:06:36
officer from Canada and he was a good guy, but he was mildly
1:06:41
skeptical when he started the book club, but he stuck with it
1:06:43
and when we read Miracles and so real quick story, I'm getting
1:06:47
chills as I'm sharing it. But he adopted a baby in
1:06:50
Vietnam. And evidently I didn't know they
1:06:53
say if you leave a baby lying in one position Position for too
1:06:56
long. The head can become misshapen
1:06:59
because they has a very soft skull so you have to turn the
1:07:02
baby from time to time just to make sure that doesn't happen.
1:07:05
So when they receive the baby that they adopted the head was
1:07:08
severely misshapen because of it was left in the crib for for too
1:07:13
long and evidently it takes eat like it could take up to a year,
1:07:17
maybe even longer with some type of brace that's very painful for
1:07:21
the child to correct the head to make it symmetrical, right?
1:07:26
In the middle of reading craic as keener's Miracles, what they
1:07:29
did was they took before and after pictures, the before
1:07:32
picture was taken and then they laid their hands on the baby and
1:07:37
prayed over it and the name of Christ and they woke up the next
1:07:41
morning. The baby's head was symmetrical
1:07:44
and ever since then, he's been obsessed, you know.
1:07:48
So he's been absolutely obsessed.
1:07:50
He's all all hands on deck and I'm getting chills just as I
1:07:55
share this with you because Because, yeah, it's for real.
1:07:59
The whole thing, the whole business is, you know, we can,
1:08:02
we can ask elasticized it and turn into a cerebral Pursuit,
1:08:05
but nothing is more important than The Knowing Christ bro,
1:08:12
that's my greatest. Hope is that people listen to
1:08:15
the podcast. They read the Bible, they start
1:08:17
to believe, take it serious, or ask questions and find
1:08:20
themselves in a unique scenario where God becomes real to them.
1:08:24
So hearing that man from you brother that's like that might
1:08:28
be the whole reason we did this show today.
1:08:30
Somebody hears and that keeps the whole thing going to Beauty
1:08:33
unfolding. So pleasure idea talking about
1:08:35
Christ and meeting someone who shares the love news.
1:08:38
It was very edifying for me, so I was glad to be here.
1:08:41
Well, that's it, that's the show everybody, if you found this
1:08:45
episode to be helpful and encouraging, you learn something
1:08:48
new, it challenged you to think deeper about the world around
1:08:52
you the days that we live in or Ancient Bible book that I hold
1:08:57
so dear to my heart, I ask you to share this episode with a
1:09:01
friend, a family member, A co-worker coming to you from
1:09:04
Southeastern Pennsylvania. God Bless America.
1:09:18
Listen what I'm saying Guys. These topics right here, they're
1:09:23
covering the chasm of lost information and giving us an
1:09:26
ability to connect some dots. As we take this ride together
1:09:30
and just interview different people from different
1:09:32
backgrounds, and gather information.
1:09:35
I'm not asking you guys to believe everything that you hear
1:09:38
on these episodes. I literally the information is
1:09:41
there for you guys, to choose what you decide to do with it.
1:09:44
For me personally, I don't believe every single thing I
1:09:47
hear. Hi.
1:09:48
Like to pray about it to study looking into these topics and
1:09:54
really like let that time and the process happened for these
1:09:57
things to kind of like resonate and settle with me, because I
1:10:00
don't like to be just easily led into, you know, some radical
1:10:06
belief really. I mean, at the end of the day, I
1:10:07
do have to gauge and evaluate and check the way that I process
1:10:13
my information to make sure it's healthy and in accordance with,
1:10:17
you know, of the Orion. Mentality.
1:10:19
Because I believe, personally, for myself and the Watchman on
1:10:21
the wall. I have a Berean mentality, which
1:10:24
means I like to study daily with the Readiness of mind, and find
1:10:30
within the word of God. What what's tolerable or not?
1:10:34
Testing all things and and being ready in season and out of
1:10:37
season flying under the radar of the information that literally
1:10:40
is in the background. The most people came here
1:10:43
because there's so many other signals and messages that are
1:10:45
just so much louder and it is So important that we have a
1:10:50
plethora of information to spread out.
1:10:52
So that's the idea of the show. Like I said, you listen this
1:10:55
far. You're awesome.
1:10:56
You're the reason you guys are the reason.
1:10:58
Let's keep this thing going.