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Teen Boy Dead After Exchanging Nude Photos Online. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A teen boy beloved by
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Speaker 1: all of his classmates, everyone in the school, the teachers,
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Speaker 1: the principal, his family most of all, is dead by suicide.
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Speaker 1: But why a warning to all parents? I mean, see Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and Serious M one eleven. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to this. It's all short or they're almost
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Speaker 1: gonna break it. You can't throw it a little. Podcasts
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Speaker 1: picked Offstol the other way. Jordan to me, writing perfectly,
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Speaker 1: that's a pick six, first turnover of the game. Jordan
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Speaker 1: to me, he was an all American teenager, the homecoming king,
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Speaker 1: beloved by his class mates. This is one of those
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Speaker 1: cases that I will remember the rest of my life.
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Speaker 1: It happened when Jordan received a message on his Twitter
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Speaker 1: account that appeared to come from a beautiful teenager who
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Speaker 1: said she wanted to be his friend. She even asked
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Speaker 1: him to send her a naughty photo. He was suspicious
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Speaker 1: and even asked if it was a scam. Assured it wasn't,
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Speaker 1: he sent the photo right away. Jordan realized he was
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Speaker 1: being blackmailed. They threatened to send the photo to his
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Speaker 1: family and all his friends at school. He had to
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Speaker 1: get money. They told him a thousand dollars. He said,
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Speaker 1: I don't have that. How much do you have? Three
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars? We'll get rid of everything. Send that three
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars. So he sent it. It didn't stop. It
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Speaker 1: just breaks my heart. This tin boy with his whole
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Speaker 1: world in front of him, basically tricked into suicide. Why
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Speaker 1: and how can we protect our children? Just think about it.
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Speaker 1: Think about your child, your baby, Think about your niece,
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Speaker 1: your nephew, your grandchild. What if this happened to them?
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Speaker 1: What if you're tween girl, say twelve years old, was
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Speaker 1: tricked into sending a nude shot or a topless shot
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Speaker 1: to somebody she thinks it's her own age. Nobody will
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Speaker 1: ever find out. Mom will never know, and then they
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Speaker 1: try to extort money out of her. Her frantic search
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Speaker 1: to find money. How will I get it? How will
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Speaker 1: I send it? Will my mom find out? Well, my
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Speaker 1: dad find out? What's gonna happen? What if they send
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Speaker 1: this picture to my friends at school? What's gonna happen?
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Speaker 1: And like this little boy thought there was no way
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Speaker 1: out but suicide, And now his parents are forever without him.
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Speaker 1: Can you even imagine what they're going through right now?
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Speaker 1: It's nothing we want to talk about, but it's something
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Speaker 1: we have to confront. Why so it won't happen to
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Speaker 1: our children or anybody else's children. With me, an all
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Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of what we know right now?
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Speaker 1: Who did this thing to? Jordan? John DeMay With me?
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Speaker 1: Doctor Justin Patchen, PhD, Professor Criminal Justice, University Wisconsin, Uclaire
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Speaker 1: and co founder of the Cyber Bullying Research Center. He
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Speaker 1: is also the author of Bullying Beyond the school Yard.
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Speaker 1: Dan ellis attorney with Herman Law in New York and Florida,
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Speaker 1: specializing in victims of sex abuse and harassment. Doctor Angela Arnold,
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Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists joining us in the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can
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Speaker 1: find her at angela Arnold MD dot com. Doctor Michelle Dupree,
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Speaker 1: longtime friend and colleague for a sick pithologist, medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: detective and author of the Homicide Investigation Field Guide and
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Speaker 1: Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide. Lowell A. Larson, Junior Detective, Lieutenant,
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Speaker 1: Marquette County Sheriff's Office, and Kendall Bunch Special guests joining us.
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Speaker 1: Lowell and Kendall look Kendall Bunch, Evening anchor w LUCTV six, Kendall,
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Speaker 1: I can hardly take it in. Tell me what happened?
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Speaker 1: How was this boy discovered dead? So his parents, they
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Speaker 1: were in the house Jordians, Jordian's took give him life
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Speaker 1: in his own home. They found his body and called
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Speaker 1: the police. There are many modes of death. There's accident, homicide,
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Speaker 1: natural causes undetermined and suicide. A cause of death would be,
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Speaker 1: for instance, gunshot, wound, drowning. What was this little boy's
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Speaker 1: cause of death? Kendall? When I talked to the sheriff's
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Speaker 1: sheriff Gradviber in Marquete County Sheriff UM, he didn't disclose
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Speaker 1: that information for me because of how this case is
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Speaker 1: still under investigation. There's just some information that he wouldn't
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Speaker 1: um disclosed to me. Kendall Bunch is joining me special guests,
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Speaker 1: the evening anchor w LUC TV six. Kendall, tell me
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Speaker 1: where did this happen? This is Marquette, Michigan. Is it rural?
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Speaker 1: Is it urban? Is it suburban? Well? What is it? Marquette,
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Speaker 1: Michigan UM is in the Up Upper Michigan UM. The
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Speaker 1: Up Upper Peninsula is considered a rural area. Now you
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Speaker 1: know what's interesting about that, Kendall Bunch, And I'm so
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Speaker 1: glad you said that because there is a correct stereotype. Well,
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Speaker 1: of course all stereotypes are in correct. There is a
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Speaker 1: stereotype that crime cannot happen in a rural area, and
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Speaker 1: that is absolutely not true. I mean, my fiancee was
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Speaker 1: murdered in a rural area. There's nothing as far as
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Speaker 1: the eye could see. It was out on a construction
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Speaker 1: site work in construction and left to go get soft
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Speaker 1: drinks and came back in and somebody shot him in
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Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. So I'm glad you're bringing that up,
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Speaker 1: Kendall Bunch. Let me go to Lowell A. Larson, Junior
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Speaker 1: Detective Lieutenant, Marquette County Sheriff's Office. Lieutenant Larson, can you
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Speaker 1: back me up on that or do you disagree? People
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Speaker 1: wrongly think crime is not going to happen. It's not
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Speaker 1: going to touch your lives in rural areas. We see
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Speaker 1: people from the city moved to rural areas because the
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Speaker 1: crime may be lower, the crime rate may be a lower,
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Speaker 1: but it reaches everywhere, absolutely has no borders. And now
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Speaker 1: when you mix in technology, you are now potentially a
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Speaker 1: victim for anyone in the world. That's a really good point,
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Speaker 1: and it can occur very quickly. I mean before we
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Speaker 1: talked about communities and trying to make our communities safe.
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Speaker 1: But now with these devices in our hands, we can
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Speaker 1: communicate with anyone across the world. We can send them money,
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Speaker 1: we can do it all on a very fast timeline
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Speaker 1: where no one has time to think. Just like in
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Speaker 1: this case, guys, we are talking about the death of
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Speaker 1: a beautiful young boy, a teen boy. Now we started
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Speaker 1: our program with sound of the Michigan High School Athletic
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Speaker 1: Association's Sports where Jordan DeMay did it again. It's picked off.
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Speaker 1: It's going the other way. Jordan DeMay read it perfectly.
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Speaker 1: That's picked six talking about Jordan DeMay getting a turnover,
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Speaker 1: the first turnover of the game, and now he's dead.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to say he's dead when you're talking about
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Speaker 1: a teen boy in every picture. It just gave me
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Speaker 1: chills because in every picture I put as I call
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Speaker 1: him big Boy, who's now six six. Did you know that, Jackie,
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Speaker 1: he's six six, he's fourteen. He's in the middle of
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Speaker 1: every picture with his arm around his sister and I
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Speaker 1: look at those pictures and my husband, David and I
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Speaker 1: are on either side and we are just beaming. We're
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Speaker 1: so proud of John. David and Lucy just I can't
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Speaker 1: keep it in And in every picture of him with
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Speaker 1: his family, they're just beaming. They're so proud of this boy.
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Speaker 1: Then you were hearing our friend less Trent an inside
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Speaker 1: edition talking about his death. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut eight lets Trent. The pressure kept up to send
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Speaker 1: more money. He said, you win, I'm going to kill
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Speaker 1: myself and they're like, go ahead. So they actually responded
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Speaker 1: when he said that he was going to kill himself,
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Speaker 1: they responded, go ahead. Yes. From the time Jordan got
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Speaker 1: the message until his death just six hours had passed,
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Speaker 1: Sheriff Greg Ziebert has a message for teens. This can
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Speaker 1: happen to you, and if it does, you need to
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Speaker 1: reach out. It's not the end of the world. It's
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Speaker 1: not worth taking your life, you know too. Dactor Justin
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Speaker 1: Patchen joining us, author of bullying Beyond the School school Yard.
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Speaker 1: When you're hearing the words it's not the end of
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Speaker 1: the world from the sheriff, of course, us saying it's
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Speaker 1: not the end of the world because we're adults, but
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Speaker 1: for teens or twins, it feels like the end of
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Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, it does because this is our lives.
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Speaker 1: And unfortunately, when it comes to these explicit images. We've
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Speaker 1: been telling teens now for fifteen years, if you share
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Speaker 1: are these images, you're peddling in child pornography. So now
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Speaker 1: kids share these images and then people have a lot
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Speaker 1: of control over them because they can't turn to the
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Speaker 1: police because they're afraid if they go to the police,
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Speaker 1: they're going to be arrested for the tea image that
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Speaker 1: they shared. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. You know, I
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Speaker 1: think that you, Lowell Larson Junior and everybody on the panel.
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Speaker 1: This is not a tea party. We're not at Windsor
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Speaker 1: Castle with Queen Elizabeth. So jump in when you have
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Speaker 1: a thought. I can't read your mind over the airways
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Speaker 1: talking to you, doctor Auntie Arnold, because I know you've
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Speaker 1: got plenty at least starting it with Yell dupree, will
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Speaker 1: wait her turn, don't wait your turn, jump in, Lowell Larson.
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Speaker 1: I don't think that this boy. Of course, what do
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Speaker 1: not just a pat and just said it's absolutely correct.
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Speaker 1: Of course they're afraid. They're afraid to go to the
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Speaker 1: police because they know they did something quote wrong. But
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Speaker 1: I don't know that they think the words, wow, I
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Speaker 1: just peddled child pornography. I don't think those words seep in.
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Speaker 1: But they know they did something quote unquote wrong. But
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Speaker 1: I think it's the fear and the shame. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if somebody got ahold of a naked picture of me,
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Speaker 1: which Jackie, just so you know, I don't know one
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Speaker 1: that exists ever, but let's just pretend there was. I
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Speaker 1: would be mortified. Mortified. Imagine how a child would feel.
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Speaker 1: Oh do you know when Aaron Andrews, she's gorgeous. Some
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Speaker 1: perv spie on her through the peepole at her hotel
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Speaker 1: when she was working, and she was mortified. She said
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Speaker 1: she went into a funk, was just laying around her house.
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Speaker 1: I think her parents talked her out of it. She
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Speaker 1: was devastated. And that is a grown woman much like
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Speaker 1: a child. Lowell Larson, Junior Lieutenant Larson, tell me when
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Speaker 1: you first got the call in your involvement in the
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Speaker 1: case Chrono Lot. Yeah. I actually I'd like to back
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Speaker 1: up real quickly. I wanted to touch on a point
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Speaker 1: of I think we have to change the narrative a
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Speaker 1: little bit. As we talk about we often tell juveniles
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Speaker 1: or kids not to do these types of things, but
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Speaker 1: we stop right there. I think we also need to
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Speaker 1: have the conversation. But if you do, you have to
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Speaker 1: be able to trust your parents or someone else to
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Speaker 1: go to and help you out with the situation. You
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Speaker 1: know what, You're right, We don't want we don't want people.
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Speaker 1: We don't want people thinking I just produced child pornography
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Speaker 1: and I can't. I don't know of a prosecutor in
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Speaker 1: the country that would prosecute something when you have a
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Speaker 1: situation like this and they got themselves in a bad situation.
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Speaker 1: I don't know a prosecutor in the country that try
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Speaker 1: to prosecute a case like that. So I think it's
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Speaker 1: very important for us to change that narrative and make
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Speaker 1: sure we spread the message that if you get yourself
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Speaker 1: into a problem, and it's not just about sex, storage
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Speaker 1: and any type of problem, that suicide is not the answer,
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Speaker 1: and that you need to be able to go to
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Speaker 1: people for help. I told mine a million ties, Lieutenant Larson,
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Speaker 1: if you do something wrong, it doesn't matter, just tell me,
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Speaker 1: We'll deal with it. We'll deal with the consequences. And
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Speaker 1: I'm on your side, and I don't care what you do.
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Speaker 1: Of course, I don't want you to do anything wrong.
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Speaker 1: But if something happens and you end up doing something wrong,
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Speaker 1: whether it's your fault or it's not your fault, I'm
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Speaker 1: on your side. I'm behind We will get through it,
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Speaker 1: I promise, Nancy. I think that we also have to always.
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Speaker 1: I'm just so upset, doctor Angie because we're talking about
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Speaker 1: Jordan DeMay, But I keep putting my son and my
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Speaker 1: daughter's head on his body and thinking, of course you do.
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Speaker 1: They're so close in the age, and Nancy, we never
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Speaker 1: really know what our kids are thinking. We never know
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Speaker 1: what they're thinking, and oftentimes they're not even honest with
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Speaker 1: us if we try to grill them and talk to
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Speaker 1: them about what they're thinking. But as parents, we always
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Speaker 1: have to remember these kids that are seventeen eighteen years old,
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Speaker 1: their little brains are not fully developed, so they're still
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Speaker 1: very concrete. Oh my gosh, I did this horrible thing.
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Speaker 1: There's no way out. I'm going to kill myself. And
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Speaker 1: I see it as a terrible culmination of there's so
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Speaker 1: much out there in the world right now about suicide,
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Speaker 1: their movies, the TV shows, they can get their hands
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Speaker 1: on everything about suicide. And then we also have this,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, Oh my god, are you dealing in
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Speaker 1: child pornography? These two things come together in their undeveloped
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Speaker 1: mind and they think that suicide is the only way
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Speaker 1: out of stuff. They're so ashamed and so embarrassed. So
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Speaker 1: I want to circle back to where we were. Lieutenant Lawson.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about your involvement with the case. When you
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Speaker 1: first got the call. What happened? Well, you hear it
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Speaker 1: over the radio and there was the age and I
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Speaker 1: was told that it was a suicide, and your your
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Speaker 1: heart just sinks. And looked at my partner and we
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Speaker 1: grabbed the camera or a big camera that we use
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Speaker 1: for scenes, and went together and went to the scene.
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Speaker 1: And you know, I've been to these scenes before, and
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Speaker 1: you just it's just very uncomfortable to be there. But
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Speaker 1: you know, you got a job that you gotta do.
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Speaker 1: Very difficult when I would go to crime scenes and
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Speaker 1: still do to separate your job. What you're there to
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Speaker 1: do with your emotions? Were his? Was his family there
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Speaker 1: when you got there? Yes? Yes, how are they doing now?
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Speaker 1: I really don't know how you can see how they're doing.
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Speaker 1: I can't put myself in their shoes. I can only guess.
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Speaker 1: But the funeral was just last week, and there's just
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Speaker 1: a tremendous outpouring from the community, and I believe as
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Speaker 1: of right now, they're very happy that they've come forward
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Speaker 1: with the information on the case to potentially save others.
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Speaker 1: A Marquette township, a boy is dead. The community mourning
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Speaker 1: the death of a high school senior. Investigators believe just
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Speaker 1: hours before teen boy Jordan DeMay died, he was the
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Speaker 1: victim of blackmail through social media. I want to go
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Speaker 1: out to a special guest joining us doctor justin Patch,
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Speaker 1: and I understand that he received a picture of a
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Speaker 1: girl his age, and everybody correct me if I'm wrong.
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Speaker 1: She may have sent him or someone sent him a
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Speaker 1: naked or partially naked photo of a girl and said, hey,
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Speaker 1: send me a naughty photo. So at first he was suspicious,
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Speaker 1: but because he got a semi naked photo of a girl,
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Speaker 1: he thought, oh, okay, this is real. It's not some
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Speaker 1: sixty five year old guy and another country trying to
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Speaker 1: get a naked photo of me. This is real. Is
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Speaker 1: that typically how it happens, doctor Patchen. That is typically
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Speaker 1: how it happens. And in our research, we've actually surveyed
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Speaker 1: over five thousand middle and high school students in two sixteen,
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Speaker 1: and we did it again in twenty nineteen, and we
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Speaker 1: found that about five percent of these kids have experienced
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Speaker 1: sex doortion. And that's a big number when you think about,
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Speaker 1: you know, the millions of kids. And most of the
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Speaker 1: time they share an image with somebody they know, a
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Speaker 1: friend and or a former romantic partner or romantic interest,
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Speaker 1: and then it turns negative and that person asks for
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Speaker 1: more or money or threatens to share it. But then
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Speaker 1: there are some times where it's just somebody they meet online.
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Speaker 1: You know that this scenario is less common now because
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Speaker 1: of the availability of sort of video chat, and so
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Speaker 1: when these kinds of exchanges are made, sometimes they'll get
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Speaker 1: on video chat so you can kind of see who
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Speaker 1: it is versus being you know, some random person in
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Speaker 1: a foreign country. But it's just heartbreaking, you know. Dan
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Speaker 1: ellis another fact here to throw in everybody. Dan ellis
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Speaker 1: attorney with Herman Law. They probably all around the country
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Speaker 1: at Herman law dot com. He specializes in victims of
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Speaker 1: abuse and harassment in this case, Jordan actually sent some
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Speaker 1: money to the prop to stop the perp from sending
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Speaker 1: out the naked photo of him. But believe it or not,
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Speaker 1: just hours after Jordan's death, we have learned one of
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Speaker 1: his friends got the photo. The perp actually did send
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Speaker 1: out the seeming naked photos of Jordan. They didn't. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's absolutely right, Nancy. And you know, there's the old
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Speaker 1: cliche that you can't negotiate with terrorists, and when it
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Speaker 1: comes to cases of extortion, it's really difficult. But you
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Speaker 1: can't give into the extortionists demands. You must report it
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Speaker 1: to the police or an adult that you trust immediately
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Speaker 1: because there's no amount of money you can pay. There's
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Speaker 1: nothing you can do to get them to stop once
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Speaker 1: they have your claws, and once they have their claws
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Speaker 1: in you, you really just become a human ATM machine
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Speaker 1: for these criminals. So that's why education is so important
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Speaker 1: in these cases, and kids need to know that to
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Speaker 1: bear the victim of crimes, they need to report it immediately.
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Speaker 1: And the reality is once you put it on the internet,
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Speaker 1: it's there. One of the twins little friends that had
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Speaker 1: gone off to another school, we heard from like three
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Speaker 1: years later and she was just a little girl, had
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Speaker 1: sent somebody a naked photo, and it was everybody in
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Speaker 1: the whole community now knows she sent a naked photo.
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Speaker 1: It's just Nancy. You know that once you put it
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Speaker 1: out there, it's out there, Nancy. The problem is these
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Speaker 1: kids are believing that that's not the case with the
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Speaker 1: photo of staying out there in the internet because they
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Speaker 1: utilize snapchat and they believe that once a person views it,
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Speaker 1: it goes away and you will be notified if you
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Speaker 1: screenshot it. So they trust the technology. In this case,
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Speaker 1: they were utilizing Instagram with what's called the vanished mode,
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Speaker 1: meaning that the picture is supposed to disappear after the
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Speaker 1: person views it. Well, a simple hack to get around
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Speaker 1: that is to take another device and you take a
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Speaker 1: picture of the screen. So they often trust technology thinking
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Speaker 1: that it's not going to stay out there, but people
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Speaker 1: have easy ways to get around that technology. As we
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Speaker 1: are learning that this so called six doorsan plot on
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Speaker 1: a team ends in his suicide, take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at w LUCTV six Jordan tried to avoid
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Speaker 1: the exploitation. He sent them money. He did send the
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Speaker 1: money out and it wasn't enough. They wanted more. These
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Speaker 1: are not empty threats. Money is sent and there is
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Speaker 1: agreement that they will erase all the photos and all
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Speaker 1: the information, but it doesn't happen. Zibert says a friend
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Speaker 1: of Jordan's received one of the compromising photos. The friend
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Speaker 1: contacted Jordan's parents. Jordan's parents told investigators time stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace two. Lieutenant Lawson. Lieutenant Lawson. When will the
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Speaker 1: cod be released? That will be with the final medical
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Speaker 1: examiners report, and I'm not sure if that will be
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Speaker 1: put out in a press release or not. Obviously, we're
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Speaker 1: trying to be mindful of the parents and the loved ones,
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Speaker 1: and so it will be up to the parents if
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Speaker 1: they wished to release them. Kendall Bunts joining us in
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Speaker 1: w LUCTV six. Kendall explain to me how this happened.
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Speaker 1: Was the family at home when he took his life?
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Speaker 1: I know it was early in the morning, and of
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Speaker 1: course it's such a tion. Happened over a six hour
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Speaker 1: time Again, now we had information, Lieutenant Larson, that this
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Speaker 1: occurred on a Friday night. Is that not correct? Well,
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Speaker 1: the extortions started, well, the conversation with the suspect started
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Speaker 1: around ten PM on Thursday night, and then it continued
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Speaker 1: into the morning until roughly at three forty five am.
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Speaker 1: So I would assume the parents were home and probably asleep. Yes,
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Speaker 1: another thing I'm trying to figure out. Okay, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: So you said the text and so forth started around
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Speaker 1: ten o'clock on Thursday night, and he was found dead
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Speaker 1: early in the morning. We received a call about seven
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Speaker 1: thirty in the morning on the twenty fifth Friday. It
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Speaker 1: sounds like they were trying to wake him up to
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Speaker 1: go to school. Yeah. Yeah, because if you're saying seven
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Speaker 1: thirty and you get the call at seven thirty, I mean,
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Speaker 1: just as a mom when I go in too, of
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Speaker 1: course loose he gets up early, but I have to
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Speaker 1: go in and wake up John David. And that sounds
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Speaker 1: like they had just gone in and tried to wake
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Speaker 1: him up. That tells me a lot about the cod
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Speaker 1: cause of death. It tells me they did not know
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Speaker 1: what had happened until they went in to wake him up.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our new friend Kendall Bunch to
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Speaker 1: the LUCTV. I don't know how they target this guy
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Speaker 1: was very popular. He was an athletic. He looked like
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Speaker 1: homecoming quick King Jordan received messages on social media from
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Speaker 1: an account portraying someone else. They target an individual on
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Speaker 1: social media and then they gained their trust over a
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Speaker 1: period of time. Then the victim ultimately sends compromising photos
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Speaker 1: or information about themselves and that's when they key in
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Speaker 1: on it. It's called sextortion. The perpetrator blackmails the victim
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Speaker 1: into sending money by threatening to send the photos to family,
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Speaker 1: friends and social media contacts, and they pray off fear.
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Speaker 1: These six tortuess. These predators tickle us. An hour cut
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Speaker 1: six from our friend Monique Lopez. Sex torsion predators can
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Speaker 1: prey on young children and teens just for explicit photos.
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Speaker 1: In the case of DeMay, officials say it was a
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Speaker 1: manipulation to get money, which DeMay did send, but it
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Speaker 1: wasn't enough. They fail the first time. They won't actually
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Speaker 1: do anything about it. Right. All they want is that
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Speaker 1: threat and they stir up that fear hormone inside people
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Speaker 1: and they say, you know, I'm going to post it
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Speaker 1: to your friends and your family, and they give them
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Speaker 1: a list of all the websites are going to use, right,
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Speaker 1: and they'll send screenshots with maybe things that they've already
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Speaker 1: sent to them and say this is what I'm going
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Speaker 1: to use and send to people, But a lot of
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Speaker 1: times they don't end up sending it out to anybody
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Speaker 1: at all. However, hours after Jordan's death, a friend of
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Speaker 1: Jordan's did actually receive one of the compromising photos back
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Speaker 1: to Kendall. BT's joining us eating anchor joining us from
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Speaker 1: and you're get at w LUC TV six. I'm in
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Speaker 1: this case. Jordan did pay the blackmailer's three hundred dollars
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Speaker 1: and then they immediately wanted more. How much more did
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Speaker 1: they want? Kendall wanted one thousand dollars from Jordan. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm just looking at his pictures right now and it's
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Speaker 1: it's just heartbreaking. He says, quote you win, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: kill myself, and their response Kendall, bunch, go ahead, go
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Speaker 1: for it, go ahead, and this boy? Did you know?
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how this case is going
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Speaker 1: to be cracked. To Lieutenant Larson, it seems as if
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Speaker 1: the purpose someone that knew Jordan DeMay the teen boy,
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Speaker 1: or was it someone that somehow got access to his
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Speaker 1: friend list, or could they have gotten that off Instagram?
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Speaker 1: How do you think the got names and contacts, so
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Speaker 1: George to send the photos to all the information of
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Speaker 1: Instagram and Facebook was open to the public to view,
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Speaker 1: so the friends list and the followers lists are available
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Speaker 1: to just about anyone with access. So that's how it happened.
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Speaker 1: Agree or disagree, Dan Ellison, No, I agree, Nancy. And
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Speaker 1: you know, it's just become such a growing problem because
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Speaker 1: of the ubiquitousness of social media. And you can commit
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Speaker 1: these crimes from anywhere in the world. Anybody in the
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Speaker 1: world can look up your friends list if you have
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Speaker 1: it open um. So scammers are always looking for easy targets.
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Speaker 1: Children become easy targets, especially um. You know, unfortunately when
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Speaker 1: when when they aren't taught social media literacy and how
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Speaker 1: to protect themselves from from predators online. Justin Patchin, it
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Speaker 1: seems to me that the IP address of who hij
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Speaker 1: Instagram Jordan could be easily obtained. Is that correct? Probably? Again,
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Speaker 1: it depends on the sophistication of the nature of the attack.
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Speaker 1: Even more than that, every device that connects to the
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Speaker 1: Internet has a unique device idea that can be tracked,
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Speaker 1: and so for your run of the mill case like this,
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Speaker 1: it is pretty easy for authorities to track down. But
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Speaker 1: you know, for every creative person online, they are always
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Speaker 1: to cover their tracks, and so my suspicion is with
28:32
Speaker 1: enough resources, the authorities will be able to track back
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Speaker 1: where these threats came from. And whether or not we
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Speaker 1: have the ability to hold the offender or offenders accountable
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Speaker 1: remains to be seen, but typically things online can be
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Speaker 1: tracked pretty easily. How do you crack a case like this, Well,
28:49
Speaker 1: you have to first start with with evidence that you've got.
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Speaker 1: Obviously we've immediately we're steered towards Instagram, and so we
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Speaker 1: have to send out requests for Instagram. There's a couple
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Speaker 1: of ways you can do it. One under emergency exception,
29:05
Speaker 1: meaning that you believe that someone is in danger, which
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Speaker 1: I attempted and was denied, which I'm still kind of
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Speaker 1: shocked about, because I whoa Instagram denied you correct, because
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Speaker 1: I was under the assumption that this person was also
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Speaker 1: possibly doing this to others. I explained the situation that
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Speaker 1: we've already have one suicide due to this account, and
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Speaker 1: they would not give me emergency exception. So I obtained
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Speaker 1: a search warrant for the suspect account and put in
29:36
Speaker 1: preservation requests for other information online. So when you deliver
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Speaker 1: U supena like that soupena duck is taken for documents A,
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Speaker 1: how long does it take to get the answers? And
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Speaker 1: be what do you actually get? Do you get the
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Speaker 1: IP address? Explain what an IP dress is? And then
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Speaker 1: when you get it, what can you do with it? Well,
30:05
Speaker 1: first you have subpoenas and you also have search warrants.
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Speaker 1: In this case, I did a search warrants, so you
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Speaker 1: have the ability to get more information, including content of
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Speaker 1: that account. So when you put in your request, you
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Speaker 1: have to be very specific of what you're asking for.
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Speaker 1: You're looking for registration information, IP addresses, you're looking for content, messages,
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Speaker 1: a whole variety of different things that may assist in
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Speaker 1: the case the IP address, think of it as a
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Speaker 1: telephone number. I guess maybe this simple way to think
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Speaker 1: of it. And your Internet traffic gets routed through these
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Speaker 1: different switch points and it gets and these different switch
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Speaker 1: points have different IP addresses. Some of those are dynamic,
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Speaker 1: meaning that they're changing all the time. Other ones are static,
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Speaker 1: meaning that they stay locked in at the same IP
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Speaker 1: address all the time. So the IP address will lead
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Speaker 1: you to another location in the Internet and then you
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Speaker 1: have to then do a search warrant for that location
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Speaker 1: on the Internet, and then it's just like an onion.
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Speaker 1: You just keep peeling back to layers and getting more
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Speaker 1: IP addresses, and investigations with this type of case are
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Speaker 1: very heavily laden with search warrants because you're trying to
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Speaker 1: follow the next breadcrumb and the trail. But when you
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Speaker 1: finally do get the information from Instagram, you will see
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Speaker 1: the IP addresses of who was contacting Jordan. And then,
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Speaker 1: like you said, it's like a phone number. Everything, my iPad,
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Speaker 1: my laptop, if you're sending from yourself phone, everything has
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Speaker 1: an address and that can go straight back to who
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Speaker 1: owns the device, whatever device it may be, and then
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Speaker 1: you find out where that person lives. And the rest
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Speaker 1: is really simple. From that point on. You just have
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Speaker 1: to get it from Instagram. Correct. Well, that's the that's
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Speaker 1: the starting point, and then it can lead to other places. So,
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Speaker 1: for instance, you have your device, then you have your
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Speaker 1: which is going to be assigned a number off your router,
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Speaker 1: and then your Internet service provider is going to have
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Speaker 1: an IP address, and then m anything else that's within
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Speaker 1: that chain to get to Instagram. So it's a think
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Speaker 1: of a big onion and you're trying to get to
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Speaker 1: the center, and you got to just keep peeling back
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Speaker 1: these layers of IP addresses doctor Michelle Dupre joining us
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Speaker 1: Forrinsty pathologist and medical examiner, Doctor Dupree, we have learned
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Speaker 1: from many, many people that attempted suicide that there is
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Speaker 1: a point where they want to turn back, but very
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Speaker 1: often it's too late. They don't have this strength or
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Speaker 1: the ability to turn back. Is that true, Yes, Nancy,
32:59
Speaker 1: that cannot be true. And you know, again, it depends
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Speaker 1: on the person. If they are so determined, they may
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Speaker 1: not have that last minute regret. They may go full
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Speaker 1: force and just do it. In this case, we don't
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Speaker 1: know that yet. There's there's one thing that I wanted
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Speaker 1: to point out, and that is that you know, people,
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Speaker 1: whether it's adults or children, when they think about suicide
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Speaker 1: and try to commit it, they think that there is
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Speaker 1: no other option. They cannot see another choice beyond this,
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Speaker 1: and I think that's where support from family and friends
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Speaker 1: and others can try to help someone in this situation. Sadly,
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Speaker 1: this is not the first time this has happened. Right
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Speaker 1: here in our own country, where we have hotlines like
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Speaker 1: the suicide Prevention Lifeline one eight hundred two seven three
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Speaker 1: talk that's eight hundred two seven three eight two five
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Speaker 1: five where there are counselors online twenty four seven on
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Speaker 1: hotlines to help you. But still it's happening, and it's happening.
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Speaker 1: Two children, two children. I mean, this looks like the
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Speaker 1: all American family. They just look so happy with their son, Jordan.
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Speaker 1: The mom and dad had a storybook relationship. Then they
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Speaker 1: have the family sisters, just one big, seemingly happy family,
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Speaker 1: and now it's destroyed. I can't help but wonder if
34:31
Speaker 1: the perk that did this to Jordan was somebody he knew.
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Speaker 1: He's very active in sports, he loved all sports, he
34:39
Speaker 1: played all sports, he was homecoming king, his name was
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Speaker 1: bandied about on radio in sports coverage. Was that someone
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Speaker 1: there in the community or the high school jealous of him?
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Speaker 1: Was this a prank? And then it led to oh,
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Speaker 1: let's try to get money or was it just an
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Speaker 1: internet guel praying on a child? Listen to our cut?
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Speaker 1: Nine fifteen year old Riley Bastford got sex started the
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Speaker 1: day he joined Facebook. The blackmailers demanded thirty five hundred
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Speaker 1: dollars or they'd spread his provocative photos around town. His parents,
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Speaker 1: Darren and Mary, spoke to Inside Edition. I was a
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Speaker 1: fifteen year old boy at one time, and you know,
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Speaker 1: you get curious and if some beautiful ladies, you know,
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Speaker 1: texting you. But just like Jordan DeMay, it became too much.
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Speaker 1: Riley shot himself our friends at Inside Edition. And it's
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Speaker 1: not just Riley and Jordan. Girls too. Take listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut eleven from w w N y seven. Shylan
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Speaker 1: Dixon was a farm girl. She was full of life.
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Speaker 1: Loved being with the animals, loved being with her friends,
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Speaker 1: loved being on a farm. To Hilton hid Junior, did sports,
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Speaker 1: hung out with friends, even like to hang out in trees,
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Speaker 1: made the honor at Poseason criminal justice. Knew how to
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Speaker 1: work hard. That's why it was such a shock. Hylene
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Speaker 1: took her own life March third, the victim of an
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Speaker 1: internet blackmailer on Facebook. In a note she left, she
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Speaker 1: said the blackmailer tricked her into sending embarrassing photos, threatened
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Speaker 1: to send them to classmates and friends. I'm just very curious,
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Speaker 1: Lieutenant Larson, do you believe the person that's extorted Jordan
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Speaker 1: knew him. I don't believe. So why I don't want
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Speaker 1: to get into the details of investigation, but it was
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Speaker 1: very evident when I received the information that he wasn't
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Speaker 1: the only victim in this extortion. Ah, So don't say anymore,
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Speaker 1: and I respect that you don't want to injure the
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Speaker 1: integrity of the investigation. Your words could be used against
36:57
Speaker 1: the case. Mine, however, won't what that little bit And
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Speaker 1: I'm extrapolating to doctor Angela Arnold as that somebody else
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Speaker 1: somewhere got the same photo of the girl because they
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Speaker 1: that the pros don't bother changing photos, which means somebody
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Speaker 1: is targeting kids online, on Insta, on Snapchat, whatever they
37:26
Speaker 1: can see. They're targeting someone of a certain age. Why,
37:31
Speaker 1: because they are very vulnerable kids that age. I mean,
37:35
Speaker 1: think about it, Nancy, you're seventeen years old. In all likelihood,
37:38
Speaker 1: he could be applying to college kids. Kids are anxious
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Speaker 1: and nervous right now, after this, after this whole COVID
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Speaker 1: situation that we've been through, I am seeing it in
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Speaker 1: my practice. I can't keep up with the number of
37:52
Speaker 1: kids that need to come see me. Well. Hold on,
37:54
Speaker 1: teams are anxious and nervous all the time. Yes, all
37:58
Speaker 1: the time and with them. Yet it's just it's it's
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Speaker 1: it is an epidemic in itself. This is completely an
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Speaker 1: epidemic in itself. You know. Another thing to doctor Justin
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Speaker 1: Patchen joining us from University Wisconsin and Claire is the
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Speaker 1: teen or the twain as in many cases, feels like
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Speaker 1: it's so awful. They can't tell their parents, they can't
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Speaker 1: tell anybody. That's one hundred percent true. You know, we
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Speaker 1: did a study and only about a third of the
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Speaker 1: people of the kids, the twelve to seven year old kids,
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Speaker 1: only about a third who had experienced sex stortion had
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Speaker 1: told either a parent or somebody at school or the police.
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Speaker 1: So many don't tell anybody. Someone can find in a friend,
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Speaker 1: but then the friends don't know what to do. So
38:47
Speaker 1: these kids just feel trapped and and like we was
38:50
Speaker 1: talked about earlier, they feel like there's no way out.
38:52
Speaker 1: And that's up to us as adults who care about kids,
38:54
Speaker 1: who work with kids, to to express to them that
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Speaker 1: we're here no matter what happened, as you mentioned and Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and no matter what happens, we're here to help guys.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about a teen boy, Jordan John DeMay,
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Speaker 1: that committed suicide after some internet ghoul six started him
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Speaker 1: Tipline one eight hundred two seven three Talk one eight
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Speaker 1: hundred two seven three eight two five five Please heed
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Speaker 1: the warning. Jordan Demay's parents want his story broadcast to
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Speaker 1: warn other families to help them. Nancy Grace's crime story
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Speaker 1: signing off keep by three