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- Speaker 2: Hi everyone, my name is Vernon Wiggins. The host of the Winning Culture Podcast. The guest that I have here today, in my opinion, needs no introduction. He's done a lot of amazing things, he's won awards, he's filmed a lot of great movies, music videos, etc. etc. The list goes on and on. The guest I have here today. Corey Descant, aka Panny. Speaker 1: the plug. Hey How you doing man? I'm good, man. It's a pleasure to be here. Speaker 2: Hey man, glad to have you here. It's been a while. Been a minute. Yeah, I know I've been traveling the country doing this, doing that. Speaker 1: Little everything, huh? Yeah. Speaker 2: just enjoying panic, living life, doing some things, you know, and just trying to get things done. Speaker 1: Hey, that's what's up, man. What's up, man? Hey man, we got this ⁓ this casting call coming up, man. Tell me about that. Speaker 2: ⁓ look the ⁓ panic, the casting call has been a long time coming. a lot of people been looking for it, asking for it, and finally it's here. Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm I'm really excited. You know, I'm coming on as executive producer on the project. Absolutely. It's it's gonna be a great project. The first movie did such, you know, very well. I mean, amazing, knocked it out the park. So yeah, it's a big challenge to follow that, you know, I try to do bigger and you know, what's your plans on doing bigger on that? Speaker 2: Yeah to have it. Well, you know, definitely this time I would say, ⁓ I don't want to be going to too many cities and filming this time. One area if if we can. That's the plan. But you know, ⁓ man, with the first one we had no expectations. No expectations. However, we assembled a great cast, a great crew, and we were able to do what we done. We won twenty movie awards. Wow. Globally. Speaker 1: That is that is amazing man. Congrats on that. Thank you. Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, man. So this time we're looking to surpass that. Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey most definitely, man. I'm I'm excited. I'm glad you brought me on this time. You know, last project, ⁓ I kinda did I c I kinda came like mid movie, and got to work on the graphics and stuff and handle some of the ⁓ recording for the screenings and stuff like that. But ⁓ man, I I know you told me then, you know, I'm gonna bring you on this next one and glad to see it finally here, you know. Yeah. Speaker 2: Told And so glad to have you a part of this this entire journey, man. ⁓ I it's gonna be great. We're looking forward to doing a lot of great things, doing many more things. And ⁓ I know you yourself, you're gonna definitely ⁓ bring a different flavor to this, man. So we're looking forward to it. Speaker 1: And I appreciate it be part of the team. But yeah, I'm I'm excited. ⁓ you know, everybody come out for the casting call. We doing crew in cast. you know, we're trying to build a great team, you know, we we want some people that's ⁓ talented. ⁓ like I told you, I'm looking for that secret gym. Yeah. Someone that's out there that's just critting every day and just, you know, needs that opportunity, just is the opportunity to, you know, join a great team. Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, man. Hey, I I know you always said about the secret gym and I have a feeling it's gonna be multiple ones that's gonna Speaker 1: ⁓ yeah, most definitely, most definitely. ⁓ especially, you know, where we're having the casting call, you know. Lafayette is is ⁓ filled with talented. I mean i they're coming out the woodwork like you just I I'd be on Instagram scrolling and I'm just finding people and I'm like, Man, like I never even seen ⁓ before and I'm like, they're locally, you know, they're they're locally talented and able to do that. And I'm just like wow. So yeah, I'm very excited. They're working on that. But ⁓ Yeah, for sure. ⁓ yeah. Speaker 2: You know, I I tell you, it's like every situation I'm put in, I feel like the underdog from the underground. Like it's like every time I get in ⁓ whatever it is I'm doing, any situation or whatever, it's like I feel like I'm the underdog. And I just always felt like that because I feel like I it's it takes a Herculean effort to get over the top. Yeah. You know, a lot of unexpected things happen. Speaker 1: On that. Speaker 2: It's it's just I I just and that makes me work even harder. Yeah. So I I'm used to it now. I've done it time and time and time again. Speaker 1: Yeah man and and I'm so I'm right there with you. You know, ⁓ my career wasn't the easiest. You know, I had a lot of downfalls and a lot of different things that happened. And what I noticed when you get knocked down, you gotta get right back up because the world's not stopping. The world is continuing going. Everything that you had planned is still in ⁓ you know, you gotta keep it in motion. Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. And you've done a great job with that. I'm so happy and fortunate to work with you on so many different platforms, so many different things, man. Music videos and now movies. We've worked on all kinds of stuff together. Speaker 1: Yeah, and we we done a lot, man, and and and won some awards together and done some achievements. Yes. Hit some numbers and you know, I'm I'm just very thankful, you know, from that first time we worked together just to see what came from it, you know. And Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Speaker 2: Been great. Hey, shout out to Kayla Gilmore. Yeah, she was the one who told me about you. I even though I already knew about you, but she put us together. So maybe shout out. Speaker 1: Yeah, most definitely. She now she is she gonna be a part of this ⁓ movie on this time by or I I ⁓ Speaker 2: I don't know. ⁓ from what I do know though, I think she she told me, hey, if you need anything, you need any help or anything, let me know. So she's willing and available if needed. Speaker 1: Hell yeah, great people to have on the team up there. Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I remember the first time on ⁓ the first problematic intentions when I told her, I said, Hey, ⁓ Kayla, I said, you know what? I got a role for you. She said, For me? I was like, Yeah, for you. I said, ⁓ Kayla, you know, you've been grinding, you've been putting in a lot of work, and I think it's about time you get a roll. Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, I remember that role. ⁓ actually I was such a sighted a sighted friend that I took a picture of it when I watched the movie. I was like, you know, I tagged her and everything. Like she did great. ⁓ Speaker 2: She did. That that fit her to a T V ⁓ She was a school teacher before, so Speaker 1: ⁓ yeah, that's Yeah. I had no clue that she was as cool. I mean, she played it great. I mean that was just the you couldn't typecast that even better, you know, that was that was it right now. Speaker 2: Yeah, from what I remember, I remember her mentioning, ⁓ and she's gonna get me if I'm not telling the truth but I don't remember, but from what I remember I remember her telling me that she was a teacher at some Speaker 1: That's cool. That's cool. That's real cool. She she played it great, I gotta say. Yeah. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. ⁓ so you know, her role, ⁓ she played Mrs. Hudson, right? In the first one. So, you know, this time we're gonna be bringing in Mr. Hudson. ⁓ next one. Yeah, we're gonna be bringing in Mr. Hudson on this one. You know, he's gonna be the husband to her character. Okay. So that should be very interesting. And it will. Speaker 1: Hudson. okay. Mr. Hudson Based on the script is gonna be very ranching. Yeah, I hey I love that script, I told you. Yeah, you know, when I read it, it it blew me away. You y'all are definitely in in for a great movie. Another great movie. ⁓ yeah. Well done. ⁓ so who who helped write that script? Speaker 2: Man, I had a number of great writers. ⁓ I had Ray Alford, Wilma Williams, myself. I did some dibbing and dabbling in that. ⁓ Owen ⁓ Ferrar, and we had Kyler Cooler. And I stressed his name out because that brother made some stuff happen. A lot of extra stuff happened. Everybody did for the most part, but him, yeah. Speaker 1: Yeah. That's great. That's great. Yeah. Speaker 2: Yeah, it was ⁓ I mean in this one, you know, it's obviously it's part two from part one, right? Yeah. But this one is gonna take a lot of people on a lot of different turns, man, unexpected turns. Speaker 1: ⁓ yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. You said it right there. That most defin. Speaker 2: Yeah, man. It's it's gonna be something special. I'm excited about it. The casting call itself, ⁓ I would just tell everybody, come ready, come ready to perform, and just make sure you follow instructions. Yeah. And directions. That's huge. Yeah, we gotta, you know, you gotta be able to follow instructions and directions because that's letting us know that, you know, you know what's going on, you're paying attention to what's going on, and we just Speaker 1: You know, ⁓ Huge. That is huge. Speaker 2: We'll take notice of that. Speaker 1: Yeah, and one thing I can add to that is, you know, we know we're gonna get some people that probably their first project they worked on. We're gonna have some talented people that do a few projects. And I'm not saying this to scare you. If if it is your first project, come. You know, you know how you gotta take that first step. But also understand this is, you know, a professional project. You know, this is nothing like no in this Yeah, it's a lot of moving parts and a a lot of, you know, a lot Speaker 2: There's no BS. Speaker 1: Lot of people involved and you know, so but when I'm saying that to make you nervous, just understand that, you know. Yes. Take you know, take some initiative in what you're doing and to the heart, you know. Speaker 2: No, I man. Hey, you said it best. You know, ⁓ something I always follow was in order to get something you never had, you gotta be willing to do something you never done. Speaker 1: ⁓ yeah, most definitely. That's that's my whole career. Yeah. That is. It is. You know, yeah. I mean, you you gotta take that jump, you know. And it's gonna be scary and you know, you're gonna f I think it's just so hard for people to keep going, you know, and I get it. I get it. I mean, I'm sure you've been there many times where you just wanna give it all up. Speaker 2: Yeah. You know. Have I been there? ⁓ man, too many times. Speaker 1: I I I'm I'm a little extra. I got the whole plan to I got the off the grid, traveling the world, yes, being with nature, getting away from social media, but at the same time I'm like, this is what I created and I gotta see it full, you know? Yes. You know, it you gotta you gotta you gotta keep going. ⁓ it just and the world's changing, Vernon. Yeah. The world is changing so much with social media. I mean, picture when you know, when you were growing up, you know, and then how movies were made or how music was made to what it is today. Right. I mean, how do you continue to like grow from that? Like how you not stick to the old ways and and and and grow. Speaker 2: Man, yeah, you gotta evolve, man. You gotta evolve with the way everything is going, you know, because I feel like if you stay stuck in the old way of doing things, you're not you're probably not gonna move as fast as this generation. Yeah. So you gotta be able to adapt. You have to, you know, that's the only way I see it. Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean one early in my career as a graphic designer, I wasn't doing videos yet. And I reached out to ⁓ a very talented graphic designer, thirteen, and ⁓ he designed for ⁓ he he actually works for Alamo Records right now. He designs all the stuff. ⁓ he got plaques with rod wave and all that. ⁓ yeah. I reached out to him, but we were close, but I reached out to him and he he was the first one to give me advice early in my career and he he said never stop my Speaker 2: That's amazing. ⁓ Speaker 1: Never stop learning. Yeah. I mean the best advice I ever got. And I keep giving it out to people 'cause you gotta learn. I spend every day, I tell you this, I spend every day I wake up and I you know, I do the work I you know, as a freelancer I do the work I got on my table, but I'm always learning something new. How can I do this? How to do that, try to stay ahead of the curve because this this industry can just pass you by if you don't know all this new stuff is going on, you know. Speaker 2: That's some powerful. That is true. That man, that is so true. We see it every I mean man, I I look on those platforms, the social media platforms, and man, it's like, okay, I could look at Facebook or Instagram like a week ago, right? I come back the next week, they've already updated it and you're like, whoa, well, this was here, that was there. I'm like, wow. Just that. Speaker 1: Every day. Yeah. Quick. Yeah. And and even with like trends, you know what I mean? Like w you can think you know what the trend is and what works. They can just change it overnight and it'd be totally different, you know. And ⁓ it's ⁓ it's crazy. Now I started the new page for my card business, ⁓ Sandy Lane Cards and Collectibles. Yeah, and starting a fresh Instagram. I was able to get to like two hundred followers pretty quick. So I was like, is the older accounts being overlooked or how does that work? You know, but it was putting me in that that group of people that were into cards. Yeah, you see. So I wonder how that works with Instagram now. Is it is it is it ignoring people or you know? Speaker 2: It's a fast-paced platform. I'm not even lying, man. ⁓ and on that note, I'm glad you mentioned about the cards, man. Tell us about that. Speaker 1: So ⁓ yeah, I mean, you know, it's something I've been wanting to do. I love collecting, which I told you earlier about my Batman collection. I got a huge Batman collection, Star Trek. And ⁓ cards is something I always really like. That cards and comics. Gotcha. You know, when I was little, ⁓ my dad gave me a collection, a massive collection of cards. Awesome. And you know, I collected Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh when I was younger. Me and my friends in high school actually played Yu-Gi-Oh! And I was a senior at the time. I was playing Yu-Gi-Oh! and we would drink while we played Yu-Gi-Oh! kind of mixed the two, you know? Right. But we had fun. And then ⁓ I just wanted to relive my childhood by going back and finding those cards. And the thing about collecting is how the business element goes into it. You gotta fund your collecting. Right. And when you take your funds that you make from work or whatever, to fund the collecting, it kinda gets bad. You're you're too deep in it. So Right. A lot of collectors do what I do. We sell what we don't want to fund what we do want. There you go. And it's like a cycle, you know. But ⁓ yeah, man, I got ⁓ I've been buying collections up. I just bought ⁓ two collections I can tell you about, ⁓ the original nineteen ninety nine ⁓ Digimon with the Hollows and the nineteen ninety nine to two thousand one Dragon Ball Z cards with the hollows. So I've been just grabbing I've been grabbing stuff that Speaker 2: Wow. I love some. Speaker 1: People probably don't think about, you know, they probably don't know about, or when they see it, they're like, man, I remember when I had that was little. So I've been buying a lot of collections of those. ⁓ I bought a nineteen ninety-one Disney collection. Beautiful cards, beautiful cards. ⁓ my goodness. And ⁓ yeah, I just love it. I'm getting, you know, deep in the in the in the ecosystem of the community. ⁓ there's people that do it, financial gain where they just collect the high dollar cards. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: But I like looking at the card and I like I like collecting what I like. Yeah, man. And I like to find that stuff for people that's looking for the cool stuff. You know? Yeah. Speaker 2: Yes. Hey, I tell you one thing. There's a lot of people out there out there that would love to get their hands on that. you said Dragon Ball. That's my stuff. Speaker 1: Yeah, most definitely. And ⁓ yes, what was crazy about the collection? So I know they have the the card that you can actually play. You know, those are games back then when you play the Dragon Ball Z card game. But ⁓ I have some cards that are actually ⁓ screen grabs from the show. So we all grew up watching the show. Yeah. And they actually have actual frames from the old show on the card. So some great cards. ⁓ Like I said, I got those. ⁓ and with the company, I was gonna proceed on ⁓ doing live auctions on whatnot. That's still in the water, but you know, thinking about it, but I think for sure I'll be pushing big on eBay and and in future hopefully going to shows and be able to sell face to face, you know. ⁓ but I I best definitely put the legwork in. I'm I'm sorting eighteen hundred cards some nights, you know, I've got them all boxed up neat and so I'm I'm definitely putting the work in, but I'm I'm enjoying it, you know. There you go. Really enjoying it. Speaker 2: You know what, man, I will say this about you, man. You're the kind of guy, every time, no matter what it is, you put your mind and hand on something, it works out. Speaker 1: every time. I try, man. I try everything. Yeah. You I will say it's a lot of preparation. Yeah. With everything I do. I don't just it might look like I'm jumping in. Right. But I've been playing this card thing for a while. Same thing with videos, you know, when I got into videos, I I pre planned it. ⁓ which was crazy how I ever tell you a story how I got into videos? No. I was I originally started in graphic design. Speaker 2: Yes. ⁓ I love it. So I really wanted to hear that. Speaker 1: I would do cover art and the whole story would I'll make it quick on that story. I was ⁓ working at a diner and ⁓ these guys are like, you know, I they was Who you listen to? I was like, Lil Wayne, because I was a big Young Money fan. Anything I was part of the forums. ⁓ yeah, you know, if it wasn't Young Money, I wouldn't listen to it. There you go. And they were like, There was a local group called Guerrilla Records, you know, you should reach out to ⁓ So I looked at their art and I was like, Okay, let me create an alternative cover and send that out to Cam and Cam hit me back up and I was part of the studio there. So I worked with their designing cover art for all the artists from Marksville and that label. And then I ended up leaving that group and going to Poker Club Records with Full Money. And then I was doing all the graphic design there too. And at the time they was like, why don't you just do video too? And I was like, I I don't know. And we went out to the woods, filmed the first video and that was it. Like I mean it was just them suggesting, said you already doing all the media, might as well just film too. And ⁓ That's amazing. That's the rest is history there. Hey. Speaker 2: See, ladies and gentlemen, it goes to show you when you put your mind into something, hey, you can make it happen. This guy right here, he's all about that. He's all about that. I've been look, I've been working with him for years now and I've been impressed since day one. So man, dude, that's amazing. I mean Speaker 1: And and and wow. Early on in in the cover art game, because ⁓ the community used to be a lot bigger in cover art, you know, and we had a actual group and we would talk and stuff. And I tell p that story to a lot of people how I started out, and they always thought, man, how you get in the industry, how you design for so and so, how you do this, how you get clients. Like I did, reach out to a local studio, find your artists locally, and and reach out and work with ⁓ Cause you'll build your way to the bigger artists, but you gotta start what you have. And some people like, ⁓ you know, there's no artists in no studios. I can guarantee you somebody is making music within your area. So then Speaker 2: Yeah, ⁓ yeah, absolutely. Let me ask you this question. You know, I mean, bro, you you're great at what you do. ⁓ was there ever a time where you was like, man, I just can't do it no more. I'm tired of this. And then you was like, no, I gotta keep going. Like, was there ever a challenge that came along like? Speaker 1: So in my career many times, and a lot of times it had to do with death. ⁓ you know, my girlfriend, you know, really who I started out with, I you know, I designed for and everything, Marley G. You know, when Marley G when Marley G died, you know, there was a moment where I was like, Man, I can't I can't, you know what I mean? Like, not like he was the only one I worked with at the time, but it was just like, man, we had so many plans. We had plans, and he would always call me and tell me. Make sure I was ready. Right. Make sure you say, I need you ready because we about to you know, we about to make it, we about to be traveling, but but you know. He's about to be doing the big things, you know. Right. And so at that moment, yeah, I I really that was my first moment where I was like, Man, I don't you know, 'cause it's like you just kinda lose hope, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, but then I remember all those times he called me and how many times he motivated me and told me. Yeah. I knew I had to keep going for him. Yeah. You know it's a bigger picture, so that pushes Yeah. Speaker 2: you over the top to keep pushing forward and hey man I could tell you I'm glad you did and I know that that's what he wanted for. I'm glad you did because I got the chance to work with you among other folks. Speaker 1: ⁓ yeah, most ⁓ Most definitely. Yeah. It would have been a ⁓ it would have been a totally different story for me if I would have just gave up then. I mean you know, that would have been I I don't know what I'd be doing right now. Yeah, you know, Panic the Plug, that brand has become something, you know, it's it's become something that's totally different from anything else, you know. I agree. I really feel like I was Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: I was like I have to be like the top five videographers to be mentioned in a song, but not only gotta be the only videography or very few that actually have songs dedicated to ⁓ Yeah. You know what I mean? Speaker 2: That's huge. I remember when you first told me that and I heard it. I'm like, whoa, dude, this is amazing. Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, like you know, you know, shout out to ⁓ you know D Z B ⁓ Tune you know, everybody that mentioned me, but for sure Majey one K. I mean she she made Panic the Plug one and then she came back around and she's like, No, we didn't do it now. She made Panic to Plug two. So, you know, you could actually look those songs up and it's songs dedicated to me, so I gotta I gotta give love there and ⁓ man, that's awful. Yeah, you know, so it it's just the brand is what it's become and I Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out. Speaker 1: I see everything bigger than life when it comes to ⁓ what we have in Louisiana as the artists and stuff. Absolutely. You know, we have the industry, then we have the below the industry, then we have, you know, people that's still trying to get there. Right. I look at everybody as talented people. You know, everybody has their own story and I feel like so many stories are being overlooked. Yeah. You know, we seen people come in the game, you know, and and make it so far. Speaker 2: Definitely. Speaker 1: And then give up, but that's still a story there. That's that laid breaks for other people to climb up that, you know, those steps to make it where they are. You know, there was a foundation laid before us. Yeah, absolutely. And I'm all about that that story. Yeah. Speaker 2: Yeah, man, look, I I can't say enough about you, dude. I mean, look, man, like I I I gotta tell you, like, when I work with you like for the first time, you know, because I've worked with a lot of different people, man, in my career, but you were one of the easiest ones to work with. I'm like, Golly, this guy, he just knows this, this, that and it's easy. Make me feel like super comfortable. I I Speaker 1: And it's Speaker 2: How the how the hell do you do that, man? Speaker 1: My dad told me I get it from him. So my dad's ⁓ you know, a carpenter by trade, built houses and and all that. And ⁓ one thing he told me with him, he can visualize all the steps to build a house. And it's it you can see every step. And with me, it's like that with video and art. I can visualize all the steps to create it. And I a lot of people feel nervous at first because they're like they f artists feel like they gotta take on a lot of the Create part of the video, or they gotta provide this because there's so many people out there that just don't offer that. And with me, how many times have I pulled up to a gas station, pulled up to this a random house, pulled up to an empty lot? Yeah, we pulled up to a park. Yeah. Pulled up to a park. Yeah, and able the showcase in a whole different light. I make everybody look like a million dollars. Everybody Speaker 2: Right. Yes. Speaker 1: And you know, I'm working with old gear, I'm working with what I got, but it it's all about that vision and how you approach something. Yeah, we see it as as a gas station, we see it as a part. But what little crevices and what shadows and what what part of this park that we could really work with to make it bigger in life that Speaker 2: Hey man, that is right. And I gotta give it to you on this as well, man. Like with the overdrive video, like the plans we had, it didn't happen. Yeah. And it's like you just adjusted on the fly to it. Like I was like, hey, panic, look, I I got a different car, man. I got a different some different people. Like, and you just like that adjusted and I'm like, wow, this guy's the real Speaker 1: Deal. Yeah, and it it it it comes with a lot of trust. It's a it's a lot of trust into the videographer. ⁓ because I know sometimes people, you know, they hit me up after like, Hey, can I see something? Sure, you know? Yeah, yeah. They're not sure 'cause they watch me and I'm just doing everything in my head, you know, I'm I'm mapping this out, shooting this, but it's all laid out in my head. The whole video's laid out. I know how it's gonna play out, I know what I need to get. one thing that I hate is ⁓ the the random homie that's a co director. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 1: You will ruin my shoot so easily 'cause I already know the shots I need to get. And when you add some other stuff, I can get it, but yeah, it's just taking up time. Speaker 2: Let Panic the Plug do his thing. The man knows his stuff. Speaker 1: Yeah. Trust him do his thing. Trusting to the plug, man. Trust the plug, man. And you know, I'll get it done. And ⁓ but yeah, man, I worked on some amazing projects from traveling, you know, I done went to Miami, filmed Fred O'Bain, you know, went to Colorado, ⁓ got to stay in a big old mansion on the mountain, had my own room, indoor pool, you know, and ⁓ Harbor. Most definitely, man. But you gotta put the work in. Nothing's coming to you, you know. And ⁓ and and the thing is, it's gonna get I had so many people that's like, Man, how you doing this? It's like Speaker 2: Pays off. Speaker 1: I'm still doing it. You know what I mean? It's the thing, you know, we still achieve Yeah, most have we winning, you know, we take achievements. But the thing is about achievements. And you know this, you know, we won a bunch of awards and did these crazy numbers. You gotta focus on what's next. Yeah. ⁓ yeah. I would love to live on the awards that we already got. Which we could we could keep on pushing and advertising, but you gotta reach that next step. Like okay, we did this. Speaker 2: Even big time. Speaker 1: But can we do this? Speaker 2: Yes, you know. Yes, yeah. I I mean, man, we gotta raise the bar even higher, man. I mean you know, I I ain't gonna lie, man, panic, it's been a fun ride to say the least, just about what everything we've been able to do with the problematic intentions franchise with the music video, critical and everything, and it's just I don't know, man, like I I sit there sometimes and I be like, Wow, like we done. Speaker 1: ⁓ yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2: I'm saying not that I didn't believe in I believed in everybody, right? But like I said, there was no expectations. And then, you know, assemble a great group together. And ⁓ bro, like you coming in, it just added icing on top. Yeah, it added icing on top. Man, you were so patient for that critical video. Speaker 1: dude. ⁓ yeah. I mean, you know, I'm not gonna lie, you know, I told you a story many times. I will tell it here. You know, critical. Picture this, you know, going into this, you know, video and everything, my first big production, we had we had a set, we had a crew, we had, you know, we had it going, you know. Right. We'd had actors and all that. And ⁓ man, like maybe five, ten minutes before walking in that door of the of the set. I ⁓ the girlfriend I had at time broke up with me. Speaker 2: ⁓ snap, yeah. Speaker 1: And going so I went through That's tough the biggest situation in my life while going through a breakout. We talk about downfalls and stuff that happened during your career that makes you want to quit. Future hearing that news and then having to walk into a set and do the best you did, which I mean, could you even tell I was going through it? No idea. You know, and that's that's you know, that's that's critical? Critical. Critical never noticed. Critical as ⁓ Speaker 2: Do I? I had no clue, man. Speaker 1: We we filmed at the ⁓ park first. Mm-hmm. It was when we got to the happened in the park. Yeah, wow. Yeah. And I was and I hey at the end of the day you gotta get it done. So I I would stay focused. But you know, that's the things you're gonna face. Yeah. You're gonna face breakups, you're gonna face loss, you know. All types of things, you know, ⁓ you know, in life, you know, even financially. You know a lot of people, you know, think you're always gonna be good and dandy, but you know Stuff changes, but you still gotta keep going absolutely any way you can. And ⁓ I think the best way I look at it now growing up, getting older and understanding life more, is seeing at first we like to panic, which I mean I'm panic to plug, so I'm the king of panic, I guess. That's what I'm saying. So what you like to panic and you do mine goes everywhere. Speaker 2: You might Speaker 1: Bring it down, bring it down and focus. And you start realizing, okay, what do I need to get what what I need to do to get to tomorrow? Let's not worry about next week. Right, right, right. What can I do to get to tomorrow? See that important man. Yeah, and do that every day. Just fig and you start noticing life is not that bad. You know I mean? Absolutely. You know, and and and and that all comes, you know, with the winning podcast, you know, winning culture. Speaker 2: That's very important. Speaker 1: It's gonna take a long way to get to that win. ⁓ yeah. So just take it day by day. ⁓ yeah. And you're gonna get there. Don't don't be thinking like, you know, man, I did this, I should win. Like I should have no. Yeah. Keep going. Speaker 2: process take time and it you're gonna get there. And look man, I mean I I didn't realize that you you was dealing with a lot of that, but hell look what happened five awards later. Speaker 1: Hey, hey, I look back and I'm like, you know what? Hey. And and a lot of s so always always told people that pain creates the best work. Pain creates the best music. Pain creates the best movies. Pain creates the best work in all art, everything. Because you put your heart into it, you know? And and and and and a lot of times that's the best way to get through pain. If you're a creative, as a creative, you got it made. Yes. If something bad happened in your life, pursue that passion. Go record some music. Go film something. Go paint up a painting. Whatever it is as a creator. Go and do that and watch how you can you can take all that pain and put it on that canvas. Speaker 2: Hey y'all, this man knows what he's talking about. He's speaking the gospel, y'all. Hey, take notes. All I ever knew was how to win. I'm gonna make nothing's gon' stop me. Telefront. Your shoulders down at the wind. All I ever knew was how to win. I'm gonna make it. Speaker 1: When gonna make it yes again. Maybe yes. Speaker 2: Again, nothing's gon' me teleprint. Your shoulders down, ⁓ I got through. One of the greatest of all time is what I'm gonna be.