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The ‘mind virus’ phenomenon: How governments and the ‘ruling class’ lie · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  If we've learned anything from these past couple of years, my fellow Americans is that personal medical freedom and liberty are in crisis.
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  American Ramal Pulse brings together the top experts in healthcare related fields to keep you up beaten ahead.
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  Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
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  This is Dr.
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  Clayton J.
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  Baker on the America Out Loud Pulse Program on the America Out Loud Radio Network.
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  Today I'm delighted to have my good friend and fellow author, John Leake as a special guest today.
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  And John, as many of you at America Out Loud may know, is a close associate of another good friend of mine, Dr.
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  Peter McCullough.
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  And I'm going to turn things right over to my guest, John, to give us a little bit of uh his background, and then we'll get into some current events and what he's been working on lately in terms of his latest book.
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  So welcome, John, and tell us all a little bit about yourself.
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  Thank you, Clayton.
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  Well, you know, I saw you um at a Brownstone Institute conference up in uh Connecticut.
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  It was I was delighted to see you, and we we talked about how what's happening in the world today, whether it be with medicine, I kind of what lead led us to meet each other to begin with was the pandemic, the um the bizarre pandemic response of our official public health agencies, and you asked me, you know, how did I get into this with a background of true crime?
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  I kind of out of true crime investigative reporting, and I I think that what grabbed my attention about the pandemic came out of my interest in forensic medicine for my first book, which was about an international serial killer.
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  The story started in Vienna, Austria.
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  I I got very interested in forensic medicine or our forensic pathology.
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  I got to be friends with pathologists at the Vienna Institute of Forensic Medicine.
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  And it was really through that experience that I became interested in the whole question of you know, how do we die?
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  I mean, what what is it?
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  What is the cause of death?
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  And you know, we think of this in the context of a who'd done it, like a violent crime was the person murdered, was the person that was did the person die of suicide, was the manner of death self-inflicted.
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  That that started off as a kind of a forensic criminal investigative interest.
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  But then when the pandemic showed up in March of 2020, that curiosity I had about how do people die, it it piqued my my interest in what we were being told by our public health agencies, didn't really make sense to me.
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  I mean, just off the bat, we were told that this was a posed an equal risk to all of the population, including the young and otherwise healthy, including young athletes.
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  And I remember after a few weeks, I think it was March 26th, there was an Italian uh uh team that did a forensic pathology report, an autopsy report on some COVID, some deaths that were attributed to COVID-19 in Italy, and they concluded that, well, we have a group of patients, we've concluded that they honest to goodness died of COVID-19, average age 82, um, and average comorbidities two.
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  So, you know, this was an initial attempt to get some kind of forensic concept of what we were up against, but straight off the bat, it seemed to be a risk-stratified illness.
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  It seemed to pose a greater risk to older people, people closer to life expectancy.
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  Um the other um uh a cohort was the morbidly obese.
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  And so I thought, why are public health agencies telling us that this poses an equal threat to all of us and that all of us need to stay at home, all of us need to wear masks.
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  And uh, as Bill Gates began proclaiming pretty quickly at the end of March, you know, a vaccine is on the way, and you know, thank God, you know, when the vaccine comes, this this world turned upside down in a state of fear in a state of disarray, economic disruptions, children not going to school.
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  Once the vaccine arrives, you know, then we will be liberated and saved.
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  Straight away, I thought this looks like fraud to me.
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  Like on a very, very grand scale.
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  So that was my entree into the pandemic.
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  I ended up writing two books with Dr.
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  Peter McCullough.
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  I was the principal author of both.
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  And um, from the pandemic, that was my springboard.
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  My perception has been for the last six years now, we have been visited and and and abused by treated to a number of what is present what is presented to us is a grave public health or national security threat or global threat.
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  And that you know, we the people need to put our trust in experts.
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  Naturally, billions of dollars will be given to the experts to um provide countermeasures to the purported emergency, and um we the people can then rest assured that we'll be saved.
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  And so what I have found, and what is has become the subject of my latest book is it's just one thing after another.
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  Um it actually predates COVID.
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  You know, it was Islamic terror, then it was the financial crisis, and then under the Obama year, suddenly we had an epidemic of virulent racism, and then it was climate change, and and it's just one emergency after the other.
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  And I I perceive, and I believe the evidence supports the proposition that most of this is largely an artifact of powerful interest groups in league with stupid and venal politicians.
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  Stupid and venal politicians.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I think you know, that might be a very good descriptor, your last uh sentence about the circumstance that we are embroiled in right now in the Middle East.
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  I think, you know, that might be a very good descriptor, your last uh sentence about the circumstance that we are embroiled in right now in the Middle East.
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  Um it's it's you know, the Islamic terror.
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  Um it's it's you know, the Islamic terror.
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  I was in New York City on September the 11, 2001.
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  I was in New York City on September the 11th, 2001.
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  And to me, that was kind of you know, entering the Twilight Zone.
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  And to me, that was kind of you know, entering the twilight.
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  I mean, I was not that far from the World Trade Center, I was right near the World Trade Center the night before.
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  It was very personal, and I I spent a lot of time really following that story.
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  And what became evident over the years following 2001, is that if there weren't true Islamic terrorists, our military industrial complex and our and our uh uh um intelligence agencies would have to make it would have to create them, yes, right.
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  That's the Nietzschean definition of God, right?
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  Yes, it it just it just seems like this has been a very valuable boogeyman to kind of hold over the heads of the American people, this purported threat that's everywhere, it's insidious, and that you know, we need to give well a whole new agency, the Department of Homeland Security.
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  We we need to increase the uh Department of Defense discretionary budget.
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  We need to give our government agencies uh you know much more power to surveil even even citizens.
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  I mean, all of these loopholes have been discovered for if you're abroad, if you're talking to foreigners, even as citizens, we can be surveilled.
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  And the trillions of dollars that have been invested in this um grand endeavor to coerce the various unstable polities of the Middle East to tow the line of what I would characterize as a kind of hybrid of U.S.
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  imperial and Israeli uh security policy, kind of a hybrid combination of those two.
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  So that we've just we the people find ourselves once again being told this is this mortal existential threat, and hundreds of billions, if not trillions, have to be given to the military industrial complex and the intelligence agency, and we just have to accept that we're dragged into another war.
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  Here's a question.
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  Go ahead.
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  Yeah, well, and and you know, I'm I'm a constant, I mean, I I'm formally trained in political philosophy.
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  I'm I have am very well versed.
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  It was what I wrote my master's thesis on the literature of the late 18th century, James Madison, John Adams, all of these guys.
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  And um, this is not what they had in mind with a republic, this gigantic standing military that is constantly slaying dragons abroad.
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  It's it's it is not what our founding fathers had in mind for this republic.
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  And I don't buy the argument that, well, the world is so much more complex and interconnected and all of that.
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  I I don't buy that argument.
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  Um, you know, uh Japan since the second world war has been a major trading power.
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  It does not get involved in all kinds of military adventurism.
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  China is this kind of rising, you know, middle kingdom power that is amazingly assiduous.
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  It's staying out of military adventure.
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  I don't think it's necessary.
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  I really don't.
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  I I think we've just just been bamboozled into believing that that we need to go clobber um people in the Middle East all the time.
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  I don't buy it.
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  I I would ask, you know, in in light of that observation, which I think is I agree with.
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  Um I think that the motives are um very dark indeed, and I think that the motives are very intentional.
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  And I think you touched on this sort of unholy, or in my mind, unholy connection between the United States government, the United States military and the Israeli government, which is patently obvious to anyone nowadays who is not kind of watching Fox News 24-7.
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  Um looking at all of that, I wonder if there's anything good that can possibly come out of the current conflict from the standpoint of the United States, maybe not learning a lesson because I'm not sure that monstrosities like our deep state and our military industrial complex are ever going to be capable of truly learning, but we'll be chastened to some extent simply by the frankly the punishment that they've taken and the expenditure of their ordinance and their um capabilities, or will they double down and say, well, we're just going to turn every plowshare factory into a sword factory, and which you know, Trump has already said he wants Ford and other companies to start making more munitions, even though we're fighting a war where we've supposedly utterly obliterated this inferior power.
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  So wondering what you think it might take for this to change course to some extent.
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  And then as a parallel to that, you know, do we really have two sides playing us against the middle?
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  Because what we're seeing is we're seeing an implosion in my mind of the Republican Party, which is selling itself out completely in large part to Israel, with a few exceptions, Thomas Massey, Rand Paul, the usual folks who refuse to do that.
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  And we have the Democrats saying, well, we're done with Israel, which of course is nonsense, and they're they're lying, and the minute that they get into power, um, they're gonna turn right around and go back to their roots.
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  So is there a way do you think that we can that something positive can come out of this at the level of the abuses of power in the United States government, or do you think that this is one more sort of uh manufactured disaster that's going to cause an upward transfer of wealth and a reduction in in human liberty for the Oipolloi?
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  Of the abuses of power in the United States government, or do you think that this is one more sort of uh manufactured disaster that's going to cause an upward transfer of wealth and a reduction in in human liberty for the Oipaloi?
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  Well, I'm I'm afraid it's it's the latter, and the the reason why I'm concerned about that is there the historic record starting with North Korea and then via.
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  Well, I'm I'm afraid it's it's the latter, and the the reason why I'm concerned about that is there the historic record starting with North Korea and then Vietnam.
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  Um, and then we get into this adventurism in the Middle East, um, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria.
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  It doesn't matter how much of a mess is made, how much create chaos is created.
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  There doesn't seem to be any constructive political objectives that are achieved.
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  Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of innocent people are killed.
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  You know, one of the things that I think is very noteworthy that our media never reports, the signature injury of the Iraq and Afghanistan military occupation um adventures is traumatic brain injury.
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  And there is a huge, huge spectrum of symptoms, severity with traumatic brain injury.
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  It can be as mild as transitory headaches, uh difficulty concentrating, mild irritability, um a kind of difficulty and interpersonal relations, but still more or less able to function.
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  That's the mild side of it, which to me is you know bad enough, particularly for young people, young soldiers who have wives and children.
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  I mean, it it's it's it's it that is debilitating enough.
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  The severe side of the traumatic brain injury um spectrum is totally disabled, stuck in a in a VA hospital for the rest of the man's life.
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  And you know, I was friends with the philanthropist in in Menlo Park, California back in the year 2011, 12, 13, and he had given some money to the VA in Menlo Park and in Palo Alto, and I would sometimes go visit these poor fellows, the more severe side of the spectrum of these cases, and their lives are ruined.
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  And their their wives and their children, you know, are essentially fatherless.
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  And there is uh an epidemiological study that was published a couple of years ago, concluding there are almost 500,000 of these guys.
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  And this was just asymmetrical warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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  You know, these improvised explosive devices.
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  It's very interesting.
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  You've as a physician, you'd find these injuries very interesting.
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  There's no shrapnel or or projectile wound, it's just a shock wave.
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  It's such a it's such a uh high velocity explosion that it just creates a shock wave.
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  And if you look at a scan of the brain, it's not evident that there's an actual injury.
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  You have a very strange injury.
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  But anyway, um, you know, to give you an idea of the preposterous of this, there was a guy who called himself Adjolani.
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  He was part of Al-Qaeda Iraq, and he was caught planting a roadside bomb in Iraq by U.S.
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  military personnel.
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  They had some kind of a uh military-style trial.
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  The evidence was clear.
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  They put him in an uh US military-administered prison in Iraq for five years.
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  In 2011, he was released.
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  He then went to Syria.
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  This was at the same time is the CIA was doing its operation sycamore, which was using what was purported to be moderate jihadists to fight the um the uh um the the regime of of uh Assad.
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  And this guy, Joelani, he then became kind of the so-called freedom fighter al-Qaeda guy, and Syria.
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  Long story short, bounty for 10 million dollars was put on his head by the U.S.
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  State Department.
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  That bounty was dropped three days before he visited President Trump in his capacity of being the new president of Syria.
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  Absolutely beyond beyond belief.
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  And that's what that's where we're living right now.
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  That's the world we're living in.
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  We'll be back in just a moment, and we'll pick up on this thread uh with my special guest author John Leake, and we'll hear more about his new book that will be out, I believe, in July.
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  Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
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  This is Dr.
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  Clayton J.
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  Baker MD on the America Out Loud Pulse program on the America Out Loud Radio Network, Liberty and Justice for all.
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  Returning with our special guest author John Leake, who is a good friend of mine and a close um collaborator with the one and only Dr.
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  Peter McCullough.
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  And in the first segment, we talked about just the utter incongruities that we see time and time again in the manner in which our government and world governments work supposed supposedly for the good of their citizens, but the uh the available evidence strongly indicates otherwise from the COVID pandemic, scandemic, whatever you want to call it, right up to uh these uh forever wars in the Middle East in which we are still embroiled now, where former Al Qaeda terrorists uh become presidents of Syria and so on down the line.
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  Well, John, um turning uh in a slightly different direction, I'd like to hear uh a little bit about your new book, which I know you've been working on very diligently over the past several months, and you had sent me an email not long ago saying that I love this.
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  You said that the Iran Iran war was serving as just a major distraction, and you had put many posts out on yours and Dr.
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  McCullough's um um is it is it still a sub stack or is it a it's a substack newsletter?
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  The URL is well, it's it's it's called the focal points.
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  The URL is the focal the focal points.com.
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  Okay, very good.
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  And so you had been putting out a tremendous amount of really good information.
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  In fact, I have to say, ladies and gentlemen, John is one of my uh go to sources for information in general.
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  His um interests tend to parallel with uh mine to a great extent, his viewpoint is usually parallels very closely, and he is remarkably more prolific than I am.
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  So uh it's always a pleasure to read your work, and I have it on my feed if you want to call it that.
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  But uh I want to ask you real quick, because this just came to mind.
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  Butler PA.
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  When Butler happened, I want to ask you a very specific question.
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  When Butler happened, there were two people that I know personally who really tried to break that down in real time over the first, say, three to five days afterwards.
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  One of them was yourself, and the other one was a friend of mine named Chris Martinson.
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  And um both of you did tremendous sort of uh investigative research, you might even say forensic kind of research on that.
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  And of course, Selena Zito wrote a book about it, and Ron Johnson, Senator Ron Johnson did an inquiry into it.
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  There's tremendous amount of information coming out now and a tremendous amount of of how should I say it?
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  A lot of um conspiratorial thinking that it was it was a setup.
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  Do you have any thoughts on that?
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  And the possibility that that was fake, or do you think it was a legitimate attempt on Trump's life?
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  Well, my answer is a hybrid answer.
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  I'm wondering if it's somehow a combination of both.
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  Um, the fact that the roof on which that boy was able to climb up, I mean, he was able to climb up on the roof.
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  He was firing an AR-15 rifle.
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  I mean, it's on video.
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  Right.
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  Um the fact that the boy was able to get up on that roof and and fire away 142 yards from the stage.
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  That unto itself looks like a setup, and just in the sense of no one, there was no proper secure.
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  I mean, let's put it this way.
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  A donut eater, you know, sitting on a beer cool on a lawn chair, you know, would have covered the roof.
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  I mean, you didn't need a bunch of you know, special personnel to just cover just guys sitting up here with a pistol that just makes sure that no one climbs on the roof with a rifle and starts blasting away.
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  So I don't think there's any way that that was just an act of negligence.
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  I I rule that out.
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  Agreed.
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  And you ruled it out at the time, as did Chris.
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  Yeah, and now, you know, Chris, I'm a big fan of his investigative work.
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  He was of the opinion that whether the kid on the roof was aware of it or not is irrelevant.
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  My recollection of Chris's reporting is that there might have been another rifle involved.
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  And uh it's been a while since I've reviewed Chris's reporting on that.
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  But I mean, I suppose the question would be I don't think that the kid could be relied upon to be a sufficient marksman to particularly with Donald Trump moving his head around.
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  I don't think the kind of William Tell style uh marksmanship, I don't think the kid could be relied upon to nick Donald on the ear.
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  And my understanding is there's no question that other people in the audience and core, and including a man whose last name is slipping me, who's apparently a volunteer fireman named Corey, something or other, was killed.
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  Was it liberator or something like that?
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  Something like that.
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  So I mean, you know, you know, you you could say, well, part of the staging by a singularly ruthless actor is to have other people in the audience killed in order to give it the most um the greatest similar of you know, a true uh you know, deliberate attempt on the president's life.
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  Other people in the audience killed in order to give it the most um the greatest similar of you know a true uh you know deliberate attempt on the president's life.
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  I suppose the question is was there another marksman at play who and I mean, I think if you're a very highly trained mark uh marksman with a very very high tuned rifle on
• 28:15
  I suppose the question is was there another marksman at play who and I mean I think if you're a very highly trained mark uh marksman with a very very high-tuned rifle on a on an excellent rest and the whole thing, yes, you could make that shot.
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  So I mean, I at this point it's so incredibly weird.
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  I wouldn't rule out that there was another marksman who was set up perfectly and was able to just graze his ear.
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  It would have surprised me.
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  Um, in terms of how do you orchestrate the whole thing, I mean maybe it would be something to the effect of in all probability the kid on the roof is not going to hit the president.
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  He doesn't have a proper rifle to do it, he doesn't have a telescopic site.
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  Um, he'll just blast away and probably miss the president.
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  So it could have been something along the lines of a of a uh uh an orchestrated action in which not all actors involved knew about the other actors involved, correct.
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  Yeah, with with certain credibility, I mean probability calculations being made with the understanding that Trump might not make it out alive.
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  Um if he does which would suggest that he was not knowledgeable of it.
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  That would be my sense, and and then uh apparently I heard a very fine, I think very capable investigative reporter named Max Blumenthal, who was citing evidence that the Israelis and certain persons within President Trump's inner circle in the United States really convinced him that it was an attempt on his life by the Iranian um intelligence agencies, which seems utterly preposterous to me, but uh just for uh you know that uh if there's any if there's one country that has that kind of access, it's the people that are blaming Iran.
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  Right.
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  So a kind of uh false flag uh psychological operation that was performed on Donald Trump.
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  But I'm the first to say that I mean, it's rather convoluted, it's rather complex, you have multiple moving parts.
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  Um my firm sense is that that boy climbing up on the roof, there's no way that was just an accident.
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  I of course, yeah.
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  I agree completely.
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  And then it dovetails so closely over to the Charlie Kirk incident where you've got another kind of inexperienced Yahoo with a gun on an un I mean, it's almost the same situation.
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  I mean, it's it's it's uncanny similar.
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  Same same distance.
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  The uh the the Butler Pennsylvania shot was about 142 yards, the the um the Utah um campus shot was 143 yards, you know.
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  Uh and again, it's like that roof would have been so easy to have covered.
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  Uh a simple security guard sitting on a lawn chair.
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  Right.
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  Well, for that matter, how about just fly a drone over it?
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  Right.
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  Um, so it the parallels there are very eerie.
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  And you know, naturally one wonders was Charlie Kirk given the impression that there was somebody who a sentry of some sort who'd swept swept the roof.
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  Was he given that impression?
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  Perhaps it was insinuated.
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  But I mean, I don't know about you.
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  Uh if I were Charlie Kirk sitting in that little pavilion area, and I glance up and see a roof 140, you know, eyeballing at approximately 150.
• 32:26
  I'm gonna be asking myself, hey, fellas, did anybody check that roof?
• 32:31
  That's a nice clean line of sight shot.
• 32:35
  Right.
• 32:35
  No, absolutely.
• 32:36
  And it though the the whole situation to me just seems both of them seems so well, two things.
• 32:44
  It seems there, there's this eerie similarity between the two, and when you consider they're only what a year or two apart, um, and the first one created tremendous amount of of uh speculation in many different directions that you would try this sort of thing, the same kind of thing again, and that you would somehow get away with it is beyond me.
• 33:06
  The other thing that concerns me so much about those uh both of those events is the utter lack of curiosity on the part of the Department of Justice to really determine what happened.
• 33:19
  You know, it's sort of like, well, we we know what happened.
• 33:22
  This I mean, the the only logical word for me to use is Patsy was the guy who did it.
• 33:28
  And you know, it's so it makes Lee Harvey Oswald, who at least was a marksman and uh and a former Marine uh look like the consummate professional uh assassin compared to these guys.
• 33:41
  Well, the thing that the thing that really bothers me about the Charlie Kirk uh murder is that it seems to me it would have been easy, and it's it would have just been the sensible sensible, logical thing to do.
• 33:57
  It it just so happens that in the state of Utah, an autopsy report is not public record.
• 34:04
  Now it is public record in many jurisdictions, it's not in Utah, but nevertheless, even though a full autopsy report is not public record, it would have been sensible for the medical examiner to have just issued a press release.
• 34:22
  He didn't have to go into a bunch of forensic detail.
• 34:27
  I mean, never mind a full autopsy report, but just a simple statement of the cause of death.
• 34:35
  Um with some forensic description of the gunshot.
• 34:42
  He didn't do that.
• 34:44
  Instead, what we got was this guy, Andrew Colvet, I believe is how you pronounce his name.
• 34:50
  He was Charlie Kirk's executive producer who said, Well, I spoke to a trauma surgeon at the hospital, and he told me that under normal circumstances, a bullet fired from a 30 aught six cartridge would go straight through the neck.
• 35:00
  And he told me that under normal circumstances, a bullet fired from a 30 odd six cartridge would go straight through the neck.
• 35:10
  Of course it would.
• 35:10
  Of course it would.
• 35:11
  However, and in Charlie's case, um, his the bone of his of his uh neck of his vertebra um was so hard, of such remarkable density.
• 35:11
  However, and in Charlie's case, um his the bone of his of his uh neck of his vertebra, um was so hard of of such remarkable density, it's like he was a man of steel.
• 35:27
  It's like he was a man of steel.
• 35:31
  In fact, the trauma surgeon said it's a miracle that the bullet did not traverse and pass through his neck.
• 35:39
  And the miracle probably resulted in lives being saved from the bullet passing through the neck.
• 35:47
  Now I I'm all in favor of having metaphysical discussions, but that's not a plausible proposition.
• 35:56
  No, it's ridiculous.
• 35:57
  It's it's ridiculous on its face.
• 35:59
  And the question that I would have to ask is why we are, you know, I I feel like with every one of these events, I feel like we are not only, they're not only trying to fool us, but we're being actively trolled.
• 36:16
  It's almost like the the people who have the discernment to say, gee, that doesn't sound right, even if they don't know ballistics, even if they don't know.
• 36:26
  I mean, I'm no ballistics expert, but I know that a 30 odd six is a powerful weapon and it's gonna take his head halfway off.
• 36:35
  Well, I I happen to have a 30 odd six.
• 36:38
  I grew up in Texas deer hunting, and I'll I'll say two three more things about this that I think are very interesting.
• 36:46
  So back to the um the forensic or the medical examiner.
• 36:51
  I mean, it seems to me to to have dispelled all of this um theory and and and back and forth and turmoil in the public forum about this this highly significant assassination in broad daylight in front of an audience.
• 37:08
  He could have just said Charlie Kirk died as a result of a gunshot to the neck, the bullet entered here, you know, penetrated the these blood vessels or or whatever.
• 37:22
  Just a simple description of the gunshot wound that resulted in death.
• 37:29
  Not a full autopsy report.
• 37:31
  So the fact that he didn't do that is weird.
• 37:34
  Now, I talked to Chris Martinson about it, and the idea he had was that well, the pathologist isn't at liberty to talk about it, because a more plausible explanation of what happened is that the gunshot was fired, not from the position that the prosecutors claiming from this roof um Roos that we've been told.
• 38:00
  It was a closer shot relative to Charlie facing outward, it would have been more to Charlie's left.
• 38:08
  There's a kind of pavilion sort of thing with some trees planted on it, and it and it's a it's a it's much closer to Charlie Kirk.
• 38:19
  And at a more downward angle.
• 38:23
  So what Chris thought was that it's possible the bullet trajectory was at a pretty acute downward angle, so that it entered his neck, deflected off the clavicle, the shoulder, and went down into the chest cavity, where it would have done massive internal damage in the thoracic cavity.
• 38:46
  Well, that account of the gunshot is totally inconsistent with what we're being told that it was fired from this rooftop that was slightly to Charlie's right.
• 39:00
  So that's kind of an interesting thing that I think is an investigative lead that could be looked at, but I don't see any it seems like the prosecutors cast his lot with this kid Tyler um whose last name is slipping me on on the rooftop position that we've all seen in the in the video.
• 39:20
  Mm-hmm.
• 39:21
  Mm-hmm.
• 39:23
  When you see the sequence of occurrences that we've talked about, when we when you see, you know, again, these uncanny resemblances, for example, between the Kirk assassination, the Butler PA event going back and so forth.
• 39:43
  Assuming that this is not these lone gunmen who just happen to get lucky and find their way to rooftops that are completely unguarded, 142 to 143 yards away from important people aside from these sort of visible or easily discernible similarities.
• 40:11
  What does, you know, you're talking about mind viruses in your new book, and we're going to turn to that next.
• 40:17
  What is the messaging here?
• 40:19
  If these are being done deliberately, if these are in a sense staged events, what do you think the messaging is?
• 40:27
  Because they're being done in front of huge crowds of people outdoors, you know, on camera.
• 40:33
  Um they're trying to demonstrate.
• 40:37
  If you wanted to go with the um staging theory with Donald Trump, I mean, another thing that would support that suspicion that raises that suspicion is that he sees he has apparently been completely passive and seeking any real explanation of you know who made the attempt on my life.
• 41:05
  I mean, we were told that this kid in Butler, Pennsylvania had no social media profile, and then Tucker Carlson receives a large file dump from a guy in Romania, I believe, showing he has a huge social media uh footprint.
• 41:22
  So why is President Trump demonstrated such an apparent lack of real desire to get to the bottom of this?
• 41:32
  And uh you would have to speculate, but did he somehow was it somehow conveyed to him that an advantage was gained to you by the fact that you survived this and by the fact that you kind of found the spirit to stand up and pump your fist and say fight, fight, fight.
• 41:54
  That that seems to have paved the way to ensuring your electoral victory.
• 42:00
  Victory.
• 42:00
  I mean, I know a lot of people that did not like Donald Trump that were profoundly moved by that.
• 42:00
  I mean, I know a lot of people that did not like Donald Trump that were profoundly moved by that.
• 42:06
  I mean, my mother being one of them.
• 42:06
  I mean, my mother being one of them, she said, well, how you, you know, it's hard not to admire the moral courage that he and physical courage that he demonstrated.
• 42:08
  She said, well, how are you?
• 42:09
  You know, it's hard not to admire the moral courage that he and physical courage that he demonstrated.
• 42:17
  So I don't know.
• 42:17
  So I don't know, maybe somehow the memo was conveyed to him somehow that will, you know, this was a terrifying thing, but it ensured your electoral victory.
• 42:18
  Maybe somehow the memo was conveyed to him somehow that will, you know, this was a terrifying thing, but it ensured your electoral victory.
• 42:29
  Um
• 42:29
  Um with Charlie Kirk, I mean, the question is, was Charlie Kirk perceived to be a man of potentially enormous political significance and potential power who was a kind of leadership figure of young Christian Southern white men who are largely perceived to be the most uh likely candidates to serve the American Republic in these endless wars abroad.
• 43:07
  Was the concern that if Charlie Kirk tells this large following, we're not going to do this aggressive bellicose Middle East policy anymore, and we're definitely not going to do it at the beck and call of Israel.
• 43:24
  You know, was there somehow a perception that that Pied Piper leading his following in the wrong direction?
• 43:35
  That's something that we we can't tolerate.
• 43:38
  We we we need to demonstrate that he's not going to be allowed to do that.
• 43:45
  I think that's a theory that is foremost in a lot of people's minds uh in the in the aftermath of that.
• 43:54
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• 44:05
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• 45:11
  Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
• 45:13
  This is Dr.
• 45:14
  Clayton J.
• 45:14
  Baker and the America Out Loud Pulse program.
• 45:17
  In this final segment, we're going to speak uh further with my good friend and author John Leake.
• 45:25
  And without further ado, I'm going to ask him to tell us about his uh new book.
• 45:32
  I believe it's called Mind Viruses.
• 45:34
  Is that correct?
• 45:34
  Yes, sir.
• 45:35
  Mind Viruses, uh, the subtitle is America's Irrational Obsessions.
• 45:41
  Um, well, you you said it, the forever wars, the wars that kind of drag on that don't seem to achieve any constructive political objective.
• 45:53
  Uh, the question is, you know, we go back to Orwell's 1984, in which this startling um uh reflection is presented in the book.
• 46:03
  The war is not meant to be won.
• 46:05
  The war is meant to continue on forever.
• 46:09
  Um, and what I have found, a mind virus is what is a mind virus.
• 46:14
  A mind virus is an obsession that has a kind of social contagion quality.
• 46:25
  In other words, uh it is impressed upon a critical mass of the population that there is a great mortal threat to whether it be public health, national security, um, to the moral health of the republic.
• 46:43
  I mean, I would uh in reference to something like racism, but it's this terrible stalking boogeyman, and we need to mobilize as a people to combat it.
• 46:58
  And uh, you know, as we are told, there are certain groups who are best positioned to provide a countermeasure to this mortal threat to public health or public safety or national security, and the government, which no longer feels apparently any need to adhere to fiscal discipline.
• 47:26
  The the uh debt ceiling on the national debt has been raised dozens of times.
• 47:32
  Um, there doesn't seem to be any kind of restraint of money creation and allocation of money at all.
• 47:41
  The government comes in and transfers billions of dollars to the purported providers of countermeasures.
• 47:50
  So this could be people who are in the business of studying and countering so-called climate change, you know, new technologies, alternative energy, uh whatever it may be, countermeasures to climate change.
• 48:06
  Black lives matter was going to lead the country out of the morass of racism to a more equitable future.
• 48:17
  Um the uh Moderna and Pfizer were providing a new messenger RNA gene best gene-based vaccine that was our savior and our liberator.
• 48:30
  Then in every instance, a lot of the countermeasure is being funded by public funds.
• 48:40
  It's it's Uncle Sam that writes the check.
• 48:44
  And because there's such an emotional, I would call it a social contagion.
• 48:52
  Um, Carl Jung called it a psychic epidemic.
• 48:56
  It's a kind of psychic highly emotional, you know, effective judgments of a critical mass of people that are completely behind this, that perceive this to be countering these threats to be a sacred mission, that reason is the voice of reason is muted, the voice of reason is unable to step forth in the public forum to lead the people back to reason.
• 49:00
  Highly emotional, you know, effective judgments of a critical mass of people that are completely behind this, that perceive this to be countering these threats to be a sacred mission, that reason is the voice of reason is muted.
• 49:20
  The voice of reason is unable to step forth in the public forum to lead the people back to reason.
• 49:30
  So I use the parlance mind virus to characterize how this sort of rapidly spreads.
• 49:37
  Probably the most stunning iteration of this was transgender.
• 49:44
  So the Affordable Care Act has a provision whereby the federal government, pursuant to the Affordable Health Care Act has mandated that insurance coverage for certain medical procedures can't be denied based on sex.
• 50:09
  So just classic, you know, you can't discriminate an insurance coverage based on sex.
• 50:15
  But what the Affordable Care Act did was it defined this as well, you also can't discriminate medical care based on identified sex.
• 50:25
  So in other words, if you were born into a male body, but you have so-called gender dysphoria that is giving you the feeling that you need medical care in order to so-called transition to a female, the Affordable Care Act, a particular clause has enabled a situation in which many insurance policies are on the hook to pay it, or they're reluctant not to cover it out of fear of possible litigation.
• 51:01
  Once the money was available for endocrinologists and surgeons to perform so-called gender reassignment, not surprisingly, the number of diagnoses of gender dysphoria exploded.
• 51:19
  Oh, absolutely.
• 51:20
  I saw that in my own practice, believe it or not.
• 51:23
  Um, and uh I saw it, you know, and I'm VA physician.
• 51:28
  So this is with veterans who are overwhelmingly male.
• 51:32
  Um, I saw it exploding with uh kids at the in the age group of my own children who um during those years were still school kids or going into high school.
• 51:45
  So I saw it sort of throughout the lifespan.
• 51:48
  I had a one patient who was in his mid to late 60s who wanted to undergo gender reassignment um and did uh hormonally, although he did not uh get any surgeries.
• 52:05
  Um it's astonishing and truly disturbing to me as a physician to see how well venal isn't really the word, how willing to prostitute oneself, so many people in my profession have proven to be.
• 52:27
  Um and the whole transgender situation, pardon me, was was in some ways more egregious even than COVID.
• 52:36
  I was going to say, Doctor, I mean, what you just told me reminded me that I read a paper, I cited in the book out of University of California, San Francisco, in which a group of authors on the paper are writing in a very, I mean, I I wouldn't say the tone is celebratory, but there, but there's no there's no moral concern expressed in the paper.
• 53:07
  It's almost boastful.
• 53:08
  The number of double mastectomies we've done on 15-year-old girls in the last few years, it's a bonanza.
• 53:18
  It's exploded, you know, 700, 800% in just a couple of years.
• 53:23
  And you think, good lord, I mean, you're going to do general anesthesia to a 15-year-old child and do a double massectomy removing pure perfectly healthy breast tissue.
• 53:39
  For all you know, this 15-year-old child would completely snap out of this 12 months later.
• 53:46
  This is just some Instagram sort of psychic epidemic that these children have gotten swept up into.
• 53:53
  I mean, I you have children.
• 53:55
  I'm just observing from the outside.
• 53:58
  Adolescence is a threshold period of profound instability.
• 54:03
  I watched my niece go from being a sort of painfully shy Emily Dickinson girl with gigantic glasses and writing poetry into the corn in the corner to blooming into this socially graceful, outgoing, extroverted young woman in the space of 18 months.
• 54:25
  There's absolutely no question that that period is so grossly um potentially, not in every kid, but is is potent is frequently in fact to the point where it's a variant of normal to be questioning your identity in many ways, questioning your sexual identity for sure, your sexual proclivities and so on.
• 54:51
  And the data were there decades before.
• 54:56
  There was a psychologist who had done data on this sort of gender dysphoria group of people, I believe it was based in Toronto.
• 55:03
  I learned about it from listening to Jordan Peterson about a year ago because he had known the guy personally.
• 55:09
  But the the it was the proper approach to these kids was leave them alone.
• 55:16
  And what typically happened as I understood uh from Jordan Peterson's account was that uh a large percentage of them turned out to be normal people.
• 55:28
  They turned up many of them turned out to be gay.
• 55:31
  They were questioning their sexuality more than anything else, and they didn't know quite how to make heads or tails out of but well-adjusted functional people otherwise.
• 55:41
  And so to think that some sort of surgical um solution, uh, to me is just is just mind-boggling.
• 55:50
  It goes back to the notion of uh of um you know frontal prefrontal lobotomies, although, of course, that won the the guy of a Nobel Prize before it was completely discredited.
• 56:00
  Prize before it was completely discredited.
• 56:03
  So, John, with with this in mind, you know, in the last few minutes, you've just written this uh book, which I look forward to reading.
• 56:03
  So, John, with this in mind, you know, in the last few minutes, you've just written this uh book, which I look forward to reading.
• 56:12
  You said it'll be out in July, is that correct?
• 56:12
  You said it'll be out in July, is that correct?
• 56:14
  July of the 14th.
• 56:14
  July the 14th.
• 56:15
  July the 14th.
• 56:15
  July the 14th.
• 56:17
  God willing, we'll all still be here at that point if uh something doesn't go completely haywire um in the Middle East.
• 56:17
  God willing, we'll all still be here at that point if uh something doesn't go completely haywire um in the Middle East.
• 56:25
  Um I look forward to reading it.
• 56:25
  Um I look forward to reading it.
• 56:28
  Having done this intensively.
• 56:28
  Having done this intense and variegated research on the subject, it's always great to spend time with you, John.
• 56:36
  Thank you very much for coming on.
• 56:39
  And ladies and gentlemen, make sure to check out uh come July 14th, John's new book, Mind Viruses.
• 56:46
  Ladies and gentlemen, uh John Leake, thanks once again.
• 56:50
  Uh, this is Dr.
• 56:51
  Clayton J.
• 56:52
  Baker MD on the America Out Loud Pulse Program.
• 56:57
  We'll see you next week.