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Lisa Tahir – The Chiron Effect · Postcards to the Universe

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Speaker 2: Lisa to Here is a licensed clinical social worker, certified
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Speaker 2: an EMD Level one Reikie Level two, and she's a
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Speaker 2: her own podcast that she hosts called All Things Therapy Podcasts,
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Speaker 2: and she authored which We're going to talk a lot
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Speaker 2: from today, The Chiron Effect Healing Our Core Wounds We're Strelogy,
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Speaker 2: Empathy and self Forgiveness, which was endorsed by the Dali
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Speaker 2: Lama So. The Chiron Effect is a concept developed by
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Speaker 2: Lisa that describes how individuals are drawn to areas of
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Speaker 2: personal wounding. She explains that people often orbit around specific
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Speaker 2: core issues and themes. She uses the astrological placement of
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Speaker 2: the minor planet Chiron and a birth chart as a
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Speaker 2: diagnostic tool to identify these core wounds and unconscious patterns.
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Speaker 2: Understanding this can help individuals develop self empathy and practice
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Speaker 2: self forgiveness. She emphasizes that an orbit represents a habitual
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Speaker 2: pattern and changing this orbit can change in individual's frequency.
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Speaker 2: In essence, By altering established patterns, people can achieve different
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Speaker 2: results in their lives. You can find out more about
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Speaker 2: everything that she's doing if you go to her website.
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Speaker 2: It's nolatherapy dot com. At n O l A t
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Speaker 2: h e r A p y dot com. Welcome Lisa,
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Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining me today.
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Speaker 3: Wow, Melissa, thank you for that beautiful introduction. I'm so
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Speaker 3: happy to see and our audience and you're just the powerhouse.
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Speaker 2: Really, Oh thank you, so are you? And I know
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Speaker 2: I'm learning a little bit more of the over this
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Speaker 2: past year about astrology, and I have learned and I
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Speaker 2: had to relook it up just to confirm because when
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Speaker 2: I sent Lisa an email, I'm like, I found out
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Speaker 2: Mike Chiron is in aries at six degrees in the
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Speaker 2: ninth house. So when we get into it, Lisa can
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Speaker 2: use me as a little bit of a uh uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, you can use me to to to talk
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Speaker 2: about what that means.
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Speaker 4: But let's talk about first of all, let's all right
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Speaker 4: talk about your background, how you a little bit about
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Speaker 4: how you got into this work and what inspired you
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Speaker 4: to write the book and tell people who and what
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Speaker 4: is chiron?
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Speaker 2: Because most people know what their son's sign is, right,
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Speaker 2: and that's basically where our knowledge stops. A lot of
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Speaker 2: people don't understand their rising, their moon and all the
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Speaker 2: other signs in the houses and all that, which is
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Speaker 2: a real detailed version of who you are. So okay,
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Speaker 2: So how did you get into this kind of work?
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Speaker 3: You know? I entered therapy as a client when I
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Speaker 3: was just twenty one years old. I knew that I
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Speaker 3: need to fill some patterns and experiences I had gone
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Speaker 3: through as a younger person. And when I sat in
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Speaker 3: therapy with my therapist, whose name was Maryland, I just knew,
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Speaker 3: this is what I want to do with my life,
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Speaker 3: is listen to others and offer perspectives and paradigms and
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Speaker 3: a safe place for them to really be their authentic
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Speaker 3: selves and to help people work through maybe some of
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Speaker 3: the experiences you went through caused you to create some
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Speaker 3: faulty beliefs that keep you back from the life you
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Speaker 3: really want because you were wounded and hurt, and you're
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Speaker 3: not believing as fully in yourself as as you can
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Speaker 3: be by healing the parts of you that were wounded
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Speaker 3: and hurt and embracing by taking some new steps and
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Speaker 3: trying some new things in your life. And I've been
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Speaker 3: a therapist for over twenty five years now. The work
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Speaker 3: around Tirn Melissa came into my life about ten years
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Speaker 3: ago when I was meditating and asking the universe. Okay, universe,
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Speaker 3: why do I have so many successful clients that are
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Speaker 3: still feeling anxious and depressed? And why am I still
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Speaker 3: experiencing anxuidy and depression when I've been in therapy, active work,
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Speaker 3: actively working on myself, Like what is going on? And like,
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Speaker 3: you know, because your processes are about this, the universe
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Speaker 3: starts sining light, sending you things to take note of.
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Speaker 3: And all that I heard Melissa was a gentle word
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Speaker 3: spoken Chiron vhi Ron. And my only reference for Chiron
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Speaker 3: was back in graduate school in the nineties getting my
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Speaker 3: social work master's degree is Carl Jung's archetype, the wounded
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Speaker 3: healer Chirn. I wasn't too excited, but I've learned enough
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Speaker 3: to know that when the universe wants you to explore something,
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Speaker 3: it'll come up quietly at first, and it can get
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Speaker 3: louder and louder if we don't listen, and so I
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Speaker 3: just surrendered. I'm like, Okay, I'm going to do a
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Speaker 3: deep dive on Chiron, and I learned, among other things,
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Speaker 3: it's a planet. It's a minor planet and comet designated
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Speaker 3: in astronomy in our Solar System, orbiting between the planets
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Speaker 3: of Saturn and Uranus right now. Chiron was also the
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Speaker 3: Greek mythological healer in mythology, and when you go to
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Speaker 3: the doctor and you see the staff of medicine everywhere
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Speaker 3: in medical places, Chilon gave that to a scleepiast Chirn
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Speaker 3: was a teacher about therapy and medicine and healing, and
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Speaker 3: he really embodied animal instincts with the balance of human
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Speaker 3: consciousness and self awareness. So Chiron in astrology is a
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Speaker 3: placement in our birth chart, like you said, our sun sign,
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Speaker 3: our moon sign. It's not as often talked about, but
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Speaker 3: it's really important because this is how you might kind of,
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Speaker 3: you know, be unkind to yourself and your thoughts. And
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Speaker 3: the belief is that you think you're doing better and
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Speaker 3: going to get better by being hard and critical with yourself,
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Speaker 3: but you don't. It creates often shame cycles, and you
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Speaker 3: tend to kind of flinch away and move away from
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Speaker 3: those parts of yourself rather than lovingly embrace that part
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Speaker 3: of you that needs to learn maybe some skills and
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Speaker 3: how to show up for himself for themselves, like to
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Speaker 3: really orbit the frequency the daily routine, our patterns and people,
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Speaker 3: places and things that we desire. How does that land
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Speaker 3: with you?
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Speaker 2: No, that's I mean, now it makes sense because I'm thinking,
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Speaker 2: why would Chiron be the wound? Like we're talking about
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Speaker 2: our chiron wound and our core ones. But then when
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Speaker 2: you said Chiron was the healer and it shows up
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Speaker 2: in the medical chart, it makes sense right, like that
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Speaker 2: we need to look aside ourselves and find out where
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Speaker 2: our wound is that we can heal whatever our wound is.
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Speaker 2: So how does Chiron Obviously it's wherever Chiron was in
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Speaker 2: the sky in the stars when you were born. Is
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Speaker 2: your your wound in your astrological sign of your birth
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Speaker 2: or natal chart? Correct?
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Speaker 3: Yes, And I'm just going to add to our conversation.
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Speaker 3: Wound thing is on a spectrum. For some people, this
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Speaker 3: is just like an out, you know, on the extreme
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Speaker 3: of one. Ed's like just an out. Really are well adjusted,
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Speaker 3: You've had a great supportive upbringing. So for some of
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Speaker 3: you this is just like a little ouch every now
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Speaker 3: and then you probably don't notice it. But for other
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Speaker 3: people on the other end of the spectrum and all
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Speaker 3: along the middle, there are experiences that some of us
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Speaker 3: have had that left us really doubting ourselves and questioning
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Speaker 3: our own value and worse, and we might then end
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Speaker 3: up in relationships that are abusive or just aren't satisfying
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Speaker 3: because we believe we need to work really hard to
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Speaker 3: be loved, for example, or we might neglect our health routines.
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Speaker 3: And so you know, chiron shows up along that spectrum
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Speaker 3: from an out all the way up to and including
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Speaker 3: core wounding. It depends on your own life experience.
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Speaker 2: Of course, Yeah, that makes sense. I mean everything basically
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Speaker 2: is on a spectrum, right, and we're also individual. And
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Speaker 2: that's the interesting thing about astrology is is that's why
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Speaker 2: when some people say, oh, you don't I'm a Gemini.
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Speaker 2: So some people say, oh, you don't seem like a Gemini. Well,
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Speaker 2: I have a lot of Leo in my chart. I
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Speaker 2: have a lot of fire, I have a lot of
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Speaker 2: and I have a lot of Earth. I have a
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Speaker 2: lot of Virgo and tourists in my chart. So it
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Speaker 2: makes sense to be why I may be completely different
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Speaker 2: than my mother we have three days apart in our birthday,
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Speaker 2: who's also a Gemini. She's more traditionally a Gemini that
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Speaker 2: you read from the sun sign. But maybe this will help,
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Speaker 2: So let's talk about my chiron, which is in aries,
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Speaker 2: and so maybe you so c so people can kind
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Speaker 2: of grasp what do they really mean? So what does
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Speaker 2: the what could a wound look like? For me as
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Speaker 2: a person and a chiron in aries at six degrees?
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Speaker 2: I still don't. I'm still trying to understand how degrees work.
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Speaker 2: But it's also in the ninth house, and you could
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Speaker 2: tell people what the ninth house is and all that
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Speaker 2: good stuff. I'll let you. I'll let you share whatever
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Speaker 2: you feel like telling. You can say whatever comes at it,
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Speaker 2: whatever thought comes in your mind. It's fine, yes, okay, Just.
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Speaker 3: To be clear, I bring I'm a license psychotherapist, I'm
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Speaker 3: not an astrologer. So I take your hiron placement and
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Speaker 3: I move it into the realm of psychological, fearful and
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Speaker 3: emotional healing. I have in the back of my book
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Speaker 3: Astrologers that if you want to know more about the
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Speaker 3: degrees and such, you're welcome to reach out to them
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Speaker 3: or everyone else. Yeah, I want to help people understand this,
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Speaker 3: like practically where the rubber meets the road, what it
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Speaker 3: means for chion, like for instance, in the sign of
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Speaker 3: areas that you mentioned for yourself, Melissa, and I also
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Speaker 3: since intuitively intuitively that you have been healing this placement
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Speaker 3: through everything that you were doing, and it's probably now
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Speaker 3: more of an occasional ouch than any kind of deep
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Speaker 3: wounding or like not valuing yourself. But this looks like
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Speaker 3: a person who believes that they have to work hard
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Speaker 3: to receive love. They tend to be really hard on themselves.
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Speaker 3: It's hard for this person to kind of let themselves breast.
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Speaker 3: They're onto a next achievement, not from like an ego
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Speaker 3: driven place, but from this real need to want to
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Speaker 3: fill something inside that hasn't felt quite good enough. And
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Speaker 3: you actually have. This person actually has a really well
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Speaker 3: formed identity, but you judge your identity to be weak.
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Speaker 3: And that's kind of the pain point. Where you achieve
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Speaker 3: and do wonderful things so that hopefully one day you're
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Speaker 3: going to feel like it's enough and people think you're
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Speaker 3: you're awesome, like you're so successful and prolific, yet there's
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Speaker 3: this little part of you inside that's like, oh my gosh,
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Speaker 3: but I don't feel good enough. And it can be
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Speaker 3: really exhausting mentally, physically, spiritually to feel like it's just
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Speaker 3: never enough. It could cause you to feel some depression, isolation,
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Speaker 3: and unworthiness and even confusion sometime about how to move forward.
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Speaker 3: And so isn't he this resonating? Was this ever true
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Speaker 3: for you?
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Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely so. First of all, the heart on yourself
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Speaker 2: is so me and that's something I've been working on
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Speaker 2: for especially the last ten years. But even my mother
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Speaker 2: pointed out to me at one point in my life
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Speaker 2: when I was going through a difficult time, She's like,
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Speaker 2: I've never met anybody who's as hard on their self
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Speaker 2: as you are on yourself, you know. And I thought like, yeah, well,
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Speaker 2: am I so hard on myself? Because I have been
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Speaker 2: super lucky in growing up in a very loving, you know,
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Speaker 2: great environment. I mean, we all have our craziness in
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Speaker 2: our family, right, but overall, compared to someone other people
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Speaker 2: have gone through, I've been lucky in that department. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: I've been super hard on myself, and unworthiness has always
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Speaker 2: been an underlining current. I would think until the last
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Speaker 2: I would say ten years that I've done deep healing
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Speaker 2: work and worked on that and shifted that that story,
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Speaker 2: that unworthiness story.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I feel like you have and also usually you
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Speaker 3: and I think you could even be a highly sensitive
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Speaker 3: person or impact that it's easy for you to tune
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Speaker 3: in to the needs of others, but maybe you've neglected
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Speaker 3: your own needs and prioritize me.
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Speaker 2: So that's definitely, oh god, definitely yep, one hundred and
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Speaker 2: fifty percent.
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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, So the key is to be giving yourself
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Speaker 5: messages of empathy and tenderness and really tuning in to
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Speaker 5: your needs and actually doing a hell of a lot
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Speaker 5: less and doing a lot more to restore and replenish yourself,
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Speaker 5: and taking time out for you just as much as
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Speaker 5: you enjoy taking out for others.
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Speaker 3: Is that something that you've been practicing.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I have been. And one of the ways
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Speaker 2: that I've started doing this, and I've talked about this
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Speaker 2: in other shows, is I started a meditation routine within
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Speaker 2: the last year that is like non negotiable. In the morning,
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Speaker 2: my phone is off. That's the first thing I do
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Speaker 2: when I get up, And I started shutting my phone
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Speaker 2: off a lot when I'm busy and I'm doing things
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Speaker 2: are just so I need quiet. I just need quiet
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Speaker 2: just so that I can feel grounded or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: And I don't feel guilty anymore like I used to.
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Speaker 2: This is great.
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Speaker 3: And also, you know, you have a deep need like
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Speaker 3: as something that drives your life in an exciting way
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Speaker 3: is to contribute and be seen and really like bring
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Speaker 3: ideas and thoughts to people. So it's like that's why
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Speaker 3: the performance is authentic, but it's learning how to do
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Speaker 3: it in a way that you're really feeling connected, that
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Speaker 3: you're like you're loving yourself for contributing, you're really feeling proud,
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Speaker 3: like you take time out to celebrate what you're doing,
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Speaker 3: like in your show, your your notes to the universe
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Speaker 3: and all of this, that you're really just you know,
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Speaker 3: really praising yourself. Is that something that you've been working
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Speaker 3: on too?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, definitely, definitely, and I've been working on That's
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Speaker 2: why I love having people but like you on the
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Speaker 2: show and other people who have also done the work,
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Speaker 2: because I think by just having us have our conversation,
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Speaker 2: we're showing other people it's okay to put yourself first.
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Speaker 2: It's okay to take care of yourself, because when you
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Speaker 2: take care of yourself, you can take care of everybody
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Speaker 2: else because your cup is full. You have enough to
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Speaker 2: take care of your family and your friends, or your environment,
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Speaker 2: or nature, mother nature, the earth, whatever your work is, right,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, but we need to fill our own cup,
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Speaker 2: and we've always been taught, like you know, because people
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Speaker 2: who who come across as having love themselves or self confidence,
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Speaker 2: it's not in an ego way. It's not in a
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Speaker 2: I'm a better than you weigh it's a right I
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Speaker 2: think no, And we're changing that by by having these conversations.
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Speaker 2: So I'm curiously so where's your chiron? And what what?
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Speaker 2: What sign is?
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Speaker 3: Your mine is also an area, so I really know
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Speaker 3: everything well and it's helped me to grow as a
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Speaker 3: person and become happier. To know if I didn't achieve
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Speaker 3: another thing, I'm totally good enough, and like achieves me
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Speaker 3: real delight and taking time off in between goals to
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Speaker 3: just smell the roses. Literally, I'll walk down the streets
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Speaker 3: and smell flowers and like take time with family and
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Speaker 3: friends and really enjoy myself and fill my tank as
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Speaker 3: you mentioned, and from that place, I'm able to really
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Speaker 3: into it, to go left right, pause with more clarity
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Speaker 3: and with less depletion emotionally.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that's good. That's what we all need
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Speaker 2: to do. So for anybody who's listening, you can just
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Speaker 2: so you know, you can look up where your chiron is.
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Speaker 2: You can go on Google and you can look that
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Speaker 2: up too if you want to find out where it is.
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Speaker 2: But can people really begin to heal their core wounds?
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Speaker 2: Is is that a possibility because some people about I
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Speaker 2: don't think some people realize that it's possible for them,
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Speaker 2: because maybe they did do traditional therapy, like you said,
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Speaker 2: and they were still feeling depressed or not good enough.
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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, And you know I do traditional therapy.
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Speaker 3: I we even different principles and paradigms to be holistic.
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Speaker 3: And you know, I think people might not know that
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Speaker 3: you can heal. I believe you can heal to the
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Speaker 3: fullest degree of the moment. And then life unfolds and
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Speaker 3: something might remind you of someone. A person passes away
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Speaker 3: and you reflect on the others you've zone that have
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Speaker 3: passed away, and you experience sadness, which is healthy. That
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Speaker 3: kind of grief is healthy. To allow ourselves to move
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Speaker 3: through a loss with more grace, with more patience, with
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Speaker 3: maybe even taking some time off to really be with
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Speaker 3: our feelings. So we heal to the degree that we
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Speaker 3: can in a given moment, and as life unfolds, we
20:53
Speaker 3: might revisit certain wounds that are now they're not wounds.
20:57
Speaker 3: They might be like a little ool like I remember
21:01
Speaker 3: when that used to take me out, but now it
21:03
Speaker 3: might just be for a couple of hours. I'm in
21:06
Speaker 3: some feelings and I transition out more quickly. So I think,
21:09
Speaker 3: don't be afraid of like this whole healing to completion
21:13
Speaker 3: or not. We are wired to heal, and so life
21:17
Speaker 3: is here to support us in healing. And you can
21:20
Speaker 3: support yourself by softening the messages you're speaking to yourself
21:25
Speaker 3: and by applying self forgiveness, which my book talks about,
21:28
Speaker 3: to allow yourself some grace and take some time to
21:32
Speaker 3: learn what you need to learn, to show up differently
21:36
Speaker 3: to achieve who you really want to be and what
21:38
Speaker 3: you really want.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's beautiful because I think self forgiveness is
21:44
Speaker 2: so important. So I want to talk about because you
21:46
Speaker 2: talk about this in your book about and you call
21:50
Speaker 2: it an orbit, and how we orbit our lives with
21:54
Speaker 2: the same things, like the same people, the places, the
21:58
Speaker 2: things habit. So talk about how we do that and
22:01
Speaker 2: how we can change the orbit kind of like thinking
22:04
Speaker 2: of it as like the way chiron orbits, you know,
22:07
Speaker 2: they're like the astrological science orbit. Because we do that,
22:11
Speaker 2: we have the same things orbit around us, and sometimes
22:14
Speaker 2: that keeps us stuck in that negative vortex.
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Speaker 3: And at the same time, hopefully your habits and routine
22:24
Speaker 3: are things, people, places and things you love. So ideally
22:28
Speaker 3: you have your habits and I just love language. So
22:31
Speaker 3: to me orbit we are like little planets and we
22:33
Speaker 3: live in our own solar systems. We habituate our family,
22:37
Speaker 3: our friends, our work, our gym our grocery, like all
22:41
Speaker 3: those aspects of our lives, and ideally we really love
22:45
Speaker 3: most of those patterns and people and things. Yet there
22:48
Speaker 3: might be an area that could be sourced back to
22:52
Speaker 3: where chiron is, where like you're not connected to the
22:56
Speaker 3: good life you have, and I think this can happen
22:58
Speaker 3: with the Chiron and areas person you have a really
23:00
Speaker 3: good life, but because you're self deprecating and being way
23:04
Speaker 3: too hard on yourself, it robs you of connecting to
23:07
Speaker 3: the joy that your life is giving you every day.
23:11
Speaker 3: So it's really by by quieting the critic and changing
23:15
Speaker 3: him hard them into an encouraging and loving voice so
23:19
Speaker 3: you can acknowledge and appreciate all the awesome things in
23:23
Speaker 3: your life and change maybe the little bit that needs
23:26
Speaker 3: to be tweaked in an area that you might not
23:29
Speaker 3: be as satisfied in and it helps you do that
23:31
Speaker 3: with more ease looking through this lens of kilon.
23:36
Speaker 2: Hmm. So that's interesting. So if somebody's listening right now
23:40
Speaker 2: and says, you know, I'm not loving myself, let's just
23:45
Speaker 2: use a social life like they're friends, you know, everybody
23:48
Speaker 2: wants to go out and all they want to do
23:50
Speaker 2: is drink or maybe even more do drugs. And they're
23:53
Speaker 2: not they're not you know, interested in that, and they
23:56
Speaker 2: want to shift some things and change around, but they
23:58
Speaker 2: don't know like how to do it because that's what
24:00
Speaker 2: they've always done. That's what their whole life has been
24:02
Speaker 2: for the last twenty years, hanging out with the same
24:04
Speaker 2: group of people talking, you know, and being in this
24:08
Speaker 2: kind of environment. How does one start to change their
24:11
Speaker 2: orbit without you know, without it just like pulling the
24:15
Speaker 2: rug out from under them, you know what I mean?
24:17
Speaker 2: Do you understand what I'm trying to ask, like in
24:19
Speaker 2: a simple, like in a step by step kind of way, Well,
24:23
Speaker 2: I do it.
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Speaker 3: It sounds and everyone's different in this in this personality
24:27
Speaker 3: type where it sounds like your life used to be
24:29
Speaker 3: singers more around drinking and possibly drugs. It sounds like
24:33
Speaker 3: you've really had a change in your perspective and in
24:36
Speaker 3: your values. So I would suggest if you're not already
24:40
Speaker 3: in some type of recovery community, maybe that's something to
24:44
Speaker 3: try out. Go I love meetup dot com.
24:48
Speaker 2: I got you too, Yeah, you.
24:50
Speaker 3: Might want to go try you know, a new group,
24:53
Speaker 3: go to a church in your neighborhood. Maybe a friend
24:56
Speaker 3: has crossed your mind from the past that you haven't
24:59
Speaker 3: talked to in a while. Reach out to them, that
25:01
Speaker 3: person that you've been thinking of and be like, hey,
25:04
Speaker 3: I know even talking years. Would you like to grab
25:06
Speaker 3: a coffee and share with the people even in your life, Hey,
25:10
Speaker 3: I really feel like I'm changing here. I don't necessarily
25:13
Speaker 3: want to go and do these things. Would any of
25:15
Speaker 3: y'all want to do something different like go to a museum?
25:19
Speaker 3: And maybe some of the people already in your life
25:21
Speaker 3: are contemplating a similar change but don't know that you're
25:26
Speaker 3: there too. So it's really communicating your need and asking,
25:30
Speaker 3: you know, before you just abandon and pull up your
25:32
Speaker 3: anchor and go, maybe some people you already know would
25:35
Speaker 3: love to join you in a space doing different things,
25:39
Speaker 3: and so you might be able to make that shift,
25:42
Speaker 3: and you know, like not have to radically change everything
25:47
Speaker 3: so much by speaking your truth, speaking.
25:50
Speaker 2: Your truth, and what you're going to find is you
25:53
Speaker 2: may be pleasantly surprised because you may find that other
25:57
Speaker 2: people are also feeling similar to you, right, and they've
26:00
Speaker 2: just grown out of that and they don't know what
26:03
Speaker 2: to do either. And then you also have to take
26:05
Speaker 2: into consideration and I've learned this myself, is when you
26:09
Speaker 2: do make some big changes and you change your vibration
26:12
Speaker 2: and you sort of raise your energy and your vibration,
26:15
Speaker 2: some people who are not in that same energetic match
26:19
Speaker 2: will fall away naturally. It just it just kind of
26:22
Speaker 2: falls away. And it doesn't mean forever. It just could
26:25
Speaker 2: be for a period of time with that, Yeah, okay,
26:29
Speaker 2: and you have to be okay with that, and other
26:32
Speaker 2: people will come in. Thank you for saying that. Other
26:34
Speaker 2: people will come in, which has happened.
26:37
Speaker 3: And you're not okay with it? You know, that's a change. Again,
26:41
Speaker 3: we're humans. We're thinking up to seventy eighty thousand thoughts
26:45
Speaker 3: a day and all the associated emotions connected to those thoughts.
26:49
Speaker 3: It's normal to feel lost and sad. It's you know,
26:53
Speaker 3: friends that you once loved and cherished kind of move
26:55
Speaker 3: away from you. Let yourself have those feelings, go through it,
26:59
Speaker 3: don't you know, put a band aid over it and
27:01
Speaker 3: tell yourself it's not okay to feel sad. Of course,
27:05
Speaker 3: feel that authentically. I think being authentic is really the
27:08
Speaker 3: key and doing journaling, you know, reaching out to somebody
27:13
Speaker 3: that you can talk to about this, a loved one
27:15
Speaker 3: or a therapist to help you move through these changes
27:19
Speaker 3: that sometimes our lives go through.
27:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can all use community and anyway you can
27:24
Speaker 2: find it. All right, let's take our break here, Lisa
27:27
Speaker 2: and I just looked at the clock and we'll come
27:29
Speaker 2: back in just a couple of minutes and continue our conversation.
27:31
Speaker 2: Stay tuned, everybody, we'll be right back.
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Speaker 2: I have Lisa to hear with me, and she is
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Speaker 2: the author of the Chiron Effect, healing our core wounds
30:17
Speaker 2: through astrology, empathy and self forgiveness. So, Lisa, I was
30:21
Speaker 2: thinking during the break, you said you've been at therapist
30:24
Speaker 2: for did you say, like twenty five years or something
30:27
Speaker 2: like that, A lot of experience. Yeah, So why do
30:30
Speaker 2: you think, in your professional opinion that we have such
30:35
Speaker 2: a hard time collectively And this is from my experience
30:39
Speaker 2: and just talking to other people and other people and
30:41
Speaker 2: authors and people that I've met on self forgiveness. Why
30:47
Speaker 2: do we have such hard time forgiving ourselves?
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Speaker 3: Well? I think we're not. We're not taught to Melissa.
30:53
Speaker 3: When I look back on the term forgiveness and what
30:58
Speaker 3: it means, I was always taught to forgive others. I
31:01
Speaker 3: don't remember if anyone ever saying to me like, forgiveness
31:05
Speaker 3: first and foremost is for you, Like for you to
31:08
Speaker 3: maybe do an inventory at the end of your day
31:11
Speaker 3: and reflect on things that really delighted you and as
31:16
Speaker 3: well what happened that maybe you didn't feel so good about,
31:19
Speaker 3: did you have any contribution to it, and how would
31:22
Speaker 3: you like to show up differently later and make peace
31:25
Speaker 3: with the day forgive the day, Like, really do that,
31:29
Speaker 3: if not daily, weekly, monthly, at your birthday, looking back
31:33
Speaker 3: over the year, to just periodically self reflect and notice
31:40
Speaker 3: if you said or did something you're not proud of,
31:42
Speaker 3: what you really needed and didn't have in that moment.
31:46
Speaker 3: Because I think most people are trying the best that
31:49
Speaker 3: they can. Often we might be overwhelmed, stressed, you know, frustrated,
31:55
Speaker 3: and we respond from those really extreme emotions and don't
32:00
Speaker 3: mean to yet consistently doing that can erode your relationships.
32:05
Speaker 3: So what do I need to do to really deal
32:07
Speaker 3: with my frustration, stress, anger, or sense of being overwhelmed
32:12
Speaker 3: so that I can respond instead of react. I talk
32:15
Speaker 3: about in my book a section on responding versus being reactive.
32:20
Speaker 3: It's two different energies that you're intimating problems.
32:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, because thank you,
32:29
Speaker 2: because I notice and we're all guilty of it, or
32:33
Speaker 2: we have been at some point. You're talking about responding
32:36
Speaker 2: rather than reacting. That a lot of times somebody does
32:39
Speaker 2: something in the heat of the moment, or says something
32:43
Speaker 2: or does something hurtful. A lot of us defend our
32:48
Speaker 2: behavior by saying, well, it was because you black bot
32:54
Speaker 2: whatever dot dot dot is right, I did that because
32:57
Speaker 2: I'm frustrated or I was heard or they And we're
33:00
Speaker 2: not taking accountability for ourselves and our own behavior. And
33:06
Speaker 2: and I think that's true that we never were taught
33:10
Speaker 2: to do that. We weren't taught for self forgiveness or
33:12
Speaker 2: when we weren't taught for to take take responsibility for
33:16
Speaker 2: our own behavior. We're always deflecting. Right, Oh, it's your fault,
33:20
Speaker 2: I think because of you, some people.
33:23
Speaker 3: I think that some people because the others are responsibility
33:28
Speaker 3: too much responsibility. Everything's your fault.
33:31
Speaker 2: When I'm not interested.
33:32
Speaker 3: In maybe holding someone else accountable and saying, hey, you've
33:36
Speaker 3: crossed my boundaries, Like I don't like saying, so it
33:40
Speaker 3: goes both ways.
33:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
33:43
Speaker 3: Taking too much crap and allowing people to push them
33:46
Speaker 3: around because they're afraid of conflict or conflict avoidance, which
33:51
Speaker 3: can be challenging. If you grew up with conflicts, you
33:54
Speaker 3: might not want to be around that. Yet, sometimes we
33:57
Speaker 3: do need to set a boundary or say hey, not today,
34:01
Speaker 3: maybe next week, or in a way assert what we
34:04
Speaker 3: need to happen and kind of push against an idea
34:08
Speaker 3: for a person.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I going to therapy is always a
34:12
Speaker 2: good idea. I think everybody should have therapy, whether you
34:15
Speaker 2: think you need it or not. Therapy, coaching, some kind
34:17
Speaker 2: of working with somebody else who has experienced Yes, yes,
34:23
Speaker 2: I think everybody should.
34:25
Speaker 6: Yeah.
34:25
Speaker 2: I don't think you need a problem to go to
34:28
Speaker 2: see a therapist. I really don't. I think it's good.
34:31
Speaker 2: We're here to grow, right, We're here to learn, so
34:33
Speaker 2: working with other people is the best way to do it.
34:36
Speaker 2: So I when I was going through your bio and
34:38
Speaker 2: I was looking at some of the things, this is
34:40
Speaker 2: the first time I've ever heard this word psycho astrology.
34:44
Speaker 2: Am I saying it right? Psycho astrology?
34:47
Speaker 3: What is it?
34:48
Speaker 2: What is psycho astrology and how do we use it well?
34:52
Speaker 3: Like I said earlier, I love language. Language really opened
34:55
Speaker 3: doors for us, or it can close doors for us.
34:58
Speaker 3: Our spoken words is really important, as are the thoughts
35:02
Speaker 3: we're thinking about ourselves. And since I loved language, I
35:06
Speaker 3: just thought it was fun to invent a word and
35:09
Speaker 3: have a trademark that reflects where our personal psychology meets
35:14
Speaker 3: our natal astrology. And that's what psychoistrology is. It's a
35:18
Speaker 3: simple term to demarket that intersection in our lives. And Melissa,
35:26
Speaker 3: one of the downloads I had a few years ago
35:28
Speaker 3: that was just like mind blowing, and I want to
35:30
Speaker 3: ask you how you feel about it. I would struggle
35:33
Speaker 3: in astrology around a birth chart being dictated to me
35:38
Speaker 3: like I'm this way because of stars in the sky,
35:40
Speaker 3: like I'm not buyas, and all of a sudden I
35:43
Speaker 3: had this download. Oh my gosh, I wrote my birth chart,
35:47
Speaker 3: and so did you. That we chose these propensities, personality trade,
35:53
Speaker 3: things that we wanted to try out and experience, and
35:57
Speaker 3: now that we're here on earth, we can have awareness
36:00
Speaker 3: of those propensities and such, but we can also change them,
36:04
Speaker 3: so our free will and our ability to gain knowledge
36:08
Speaker 3: and skills to have different outcomes. So nothing dictated to us.
36:12
Speaker 3: We're actually the author of it. And how that lands to.
36:16
Speaker 2: You, Well, I feel the same way because I do
36:19
Speaker 2: it in the sense of the I use manifesting a
36:22
Speaker 2: lot like we're co creating with the universe. And I
36:25
Speaker 2: really got that same kind of download that and I
36:29
Speaker 2: think it came from seeing a lot of trauma in
36:32
Speaker 2: the sense like I would always say, you know, why
36:35
Speaker 2: would a god or whatever you want to call it,
36:38
Speaker 2: the universe allow such horrible things to happen, right, especially
36:42
Speaker 2: when we see it happening to innocent children and animals.
36:45
Speaker 2: Until it's somewhere it registered in me. Well, the soul
36:50
Speaker 2: chose its own experience for a lesson and for a reason,
36:55
Speaker 2: and then like a ding ding went off, and that said, well,
36:58
Speaker 2: that that makes sense because if you come here to
37:01
Speaker 2: have a certain experience, and let's say you need, you wanted,
37:05
Speaker 2: you signed up to learn certain lessons, you may have
37:07
Speaker 2: to go through some serious traumatic events to get that growth,
37:11
Speaker 2: because that's your soul's growth. And so yes, and so
37:15
Speaker 2: the long answer is yes. Insates with me now that
37:19
Speaker 2: just because I you know, it says that I'm supposed
37:24
Speaker 2: to be this, this and this. I chose to have
37:27
Speaker 2: certain experiences. I chose to have this personality to come
37:30
Speaker 2: through at this time when the astrology was here. But
37:33
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean I'm bound by those choices. I do
37:37
Speaker 2: have free will to direct to my life in the
37:40
Speaker 2: way that I wanted to go. So does that answer
37:42
Speaker 2: your question in the long way?
37:45
Speaker 3: We do. And I would add to that that in
37:49
Speaker 3: my paradigm and experience God doesn't allow bad things people do.
37:54
Speaker 3: We're the gate. Yes, it's right to stop the thing
37:57
Speaker 3: right thing, and it's right set the limit and bring justice.
38:03
Speaker 3: And you know, absolutely I can do something if you're
38:05
Speaker 3: really dissatisfied, Like that's absolutely being human on earth during the.
38:11
Speaker 2: Break right, and sometimes the catalysts may be a very
38:16
Speaker 2: traumatic thing happened to you and then you had you
38:19
Speaker 2: had that experience because you were meant to now be
38:21
Speaker 2: a healer to help other people, right, But the only
38:25
Speaker 2: way you could do that was to have that whatever
38:27
Speaker 2: that experience was for you. There's like it's so much
38:31
Speaker 2: deeper and richer than I think we can even imagine,
38:34
Speaker 2: and it did always kind of bother me when people say, well,
38:37
Speaker 2: you don't seem like a traditional Gemini. You know, you're
38:41
Speaker 2: not so like back and forth or so airy and flaky,
38:45
Speaker 2: like you're grounded. You're very grounded, or you know you're
38:48
Speaker 2: this or that. And I'm thinking, well, now I understand
38:50
Speaker 2: why because I'm looking at all the other aspects of
38:54
Speaker 2: my chart, you know, and my upbringing and what I learned,
38:58
Speaker 2: and you know, we have to be more critical thinking
39:01
Speaker 2: in our own life and our own experiences, I think, and.
39:06
Speaker 3: I would say to being self reflective, I think having
39:09
Speaker 3: self awareness and being self reflective and then been taking
39:14
Speaker 3: different actions, trying new things out, softening or leaning in,
39:19
Speaker 3: like really being self aware. I think it helps us
39:23
Speaker 3: into it life. So we learn through more loving and
39:26
Speaker 3: gracious and wonderful experiences rather than hard ones, because we're
39:30
Speaker 3: really listening and tuned in to ourselves and to source
39:34
Speaker 3: to unconditional love, to the universe. That whatever language that
39:39
Speaker 3: you would have described the greater.
39:41
Speaker 2: Connection, right, whatever language that you use. So how long
39:46
Speaker 2: did it take you to decide to do your book?
39:49
Speaker 2: Did you just one day decide like, oh, you know
39:52
Speaker 2: what I think I should write a book about this,
39:54
Speaker 2: because being an author myself, I know it doesn't always
39:57
Speaker 2: you know, like I remember thinking, oh, I should I
40:00
Speaker 2: should do a book, and then me thinking to myself, well,
40:02
Speaker 2: what made me think of doing a book. I'm a
40:04
Speaker 2: visual artist, right, you know, like what made me decide
40:07
Speaker 2: to do a book. So I'm just curious, like what
40:09
Speaker 2: sparked the idea for you to do the book? And
40:11
Speaker 2: how long did it take you to do it?
40:14
Speaker 3: Most of for years I wanted to write a book,
40:16
Speaker 3: and I still have some old notepads with ideas nothing
40:20
Speaker 3: of that. And yeah, and somehow with this chiron thing,
40:23
Speaker 3: like I felt like I felt like this was something
40:27
Speaker 3: that wanted to come through me. And it felt like
40:30
Speaker 3: this very deep responsibility as well as a desire like
40:36
Speaker 3: that this information can come through me. And it took
40:39
Speaker 3: me three years to write and research. I consistently weekly
40:46
Speaker 3: would set aside time I would tell family and friends
40:49
Speaker 3: I have clients. I'll say eight pm. There were no clients.
40:53
Speaker 3: It was my writing time. It was the only way
40:56
Speaker 3: that I could like make that time that important to
40:59
Speaker 3: me is if it were or a client coming in
41:01
Speaker 3: that that I would show up for my writing because
41:04
Speaker 3: to write a book. I had to show up and
41:06
Speaker 3: sit down at the computer and research. So I told
41:09
Speaker 3: people for three years I had all these clients I
41:12
Speaker 3: didn't have, so that I would take the time seriously
41:15
Speaker 3: because otherwise people go, come for dinner, come to like okay, yeah,
41:20
Speaker 3: i'll do it this week, and the book never gets done.
41:23
Speaker 3: So I had to really find a way to show
41:26
Speaker 3: up for the writing, for the research, for the editor.
41:29
Speaker 3: And I felt like this was something being burst through me,
41:33
Speaker 3: like it was like this, I felt this real sense
41:35
Speaker 3: of responsibility and calling and and I'm so glad that
41:39
Speaker 3: I listened.
41:41
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, me too, Me too. And you did have
41:45
Speaker 2: a very important client yourself. The most important client was you.
41:50
Speaker 2: You had to take the time for yourself. So I'm
41:52
Speaker 2: not surprised totally. Yeah, yeah, of course of course. So
41:58
Speaker 2: now and then your your you have a podcast also
42:01
Speaker 2: All Things Therapy. Do you have guests on your podcasts
42:04
Speaker 2: and you have conversations or what does your podcast look
42:07
Speaker 2: like in case anybody is interested in checking it out.
42:11
Speaker 3: Thank you, Melissa. I started nine years ago with only
42:15
Speaker 3: having guests, and now I do a lot of solo
42:17
Speaker 3: episodes because it was something that kind of scared me
42:21
Speaker 3: to sit down and spend fifteen twenty five minutes talking
42:26
Speaker 3: without a guest. So I wanted to challenge myself to
42:29
Speaker 3: pick a topic that I thought could be interesting and
42:33
Speaker 3: sketch out some notes, some information. So I still I'm
42:36
Speaker 3: still challenging myself to do solo shows, and it's about
42:41
Speaker 3: healing the chiron in areas too, my value and worse
42:44
Speaker 3: that I can add value and worse to people's lives
42:48
Speaker 3: lives just me myself on an episode, rather than always
42:52
Speaker 3: having to have a guest. So it's helping to heal
42:55
Speaker 3: my confidence and self esteem and really valuing what I
43:00
Speaker 3: have to offer and wanting to connect with people by
43:03
Speaker 3: sharing some more about myself so that they can really
43:06
Speaker 3: relate to me and see themselves too in this work
43:10
Speaker 3: in me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I imagine that it's very healing based from
43:16
Speaker 2: the title All Things Therapy, that there's a very therapeutic
43:20
Speaker 2: component to the podcast from the title, Am I correct?
43:24
Speaker 2: Is that correct?
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Speaker 5: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I think All Things Therapy pertains to all the aspects
43:29
Speaker 3: of our lives. Every part of being human I think
43:33
Speaker 3: has a therapeutic value to us being, our finances, our
43:38
Speaker 3: physical health, our diet and nutrition, romance and love, friendship,
43:43
Speaker 3: all of it. Art creativity like this really makes up
43:48
Speaker 3: the rich tapestry of our lives. So I love exploring
43:51
Speaker 3: all of those areas.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, me too. But that's why I like doing
43:58
Speaker 2: it in more of a converse format, because I think
44:02
Speaker 2: because how fast my brain goes and the constant conversations
44:06
Speaker 2: I'm always having with myself. I love to be bouncing
44:09
Speaker 2: off other people, you know like that.
44:12
Speaker 3: Do you ever see.
44:14
Speaker 2: I don't I don't do I don't do too. I
44:17
Speaker 2: did a couple of solo shows, but no, not really.
44:20
Speaker 2: The videos I'm doing now are short videos. They're solo
44:23
Speaker 2: and and and you know they're short. I could do
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Speaker 2: a solo show.
44:28
Speaker 3: I just pretty for doing the videos.
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Speaker 2: Oh I feel good. I feel good. I feel good.
44:35
Speaker 2: It took me a little bit because I'll get critical
44:38
Speaker 2: more about, you know, what I'm wearing, my hair, the
44:41
Speaker 2: way I look, which is part of the self worth
44:44
Speaker 2: work that I've been doing a long time. We have
44:45
Speaker 2: to remind myself that's not what you're about. That's not
44:48
Speaker 2: what it's about. It's about what you're talking about. And
44:51
Speaker 2: the more I'm doing it, the more comfortable I'm getting
44:54
Speaker 2: about doing it. But as far as because the show
44:57
Speaker 2: is an hour. I just I'm such a con conversation
45:00
Speaker 2: person and I love seeing where conversations go. And I
45:05
Speaker 2: love learning what other people are doing because it feeds
45:08
Speaker 2: my mind that is in constant, which is totally a
45:12
Speaker 2: Gemini thing, constant need for new information. I'm like an
45:15
Speaker 2: information junkie. I need more new information. That's probably why
45:19
Speaker 2: I go through like a book a week because I'm
45:21
Speaker 2: constantly you know, like I need the stimulation. So having
45:25
Speaker 2: these kind of conversations maybe spark something and may maybe
45:29
Speaker 2: create a new thought, maybe I'll take me in a
45:31
Speaker 2: different direction. And I love doing it. And then I
45:34
Speaker 2: also love sharing what other people are doing with the world,
45:37
Speaker 2: So it feeds both of those things. That's why I
45:40
Speaker 2: prefer to have guests on my show. But I love
45:43
Speaker 2: I love that you're doing both.
45:45
Speaker 3: That's great, And I would love for you specifically to
45:49
Speaker 3: love on yourself so much more around whatever your appearance is,
45:54
Speaker 3: to really really value and like love your appearance more
45:59
Speaker 3: and be be grateful for it. As I look back
46:01
Speaker 3: on photos, I had no idea how beautiful I was.
46:05
Speaker 3: Now getting getting older, I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna
46:09
Speaker 3: I'm going to accept my beauty because every picture I
46:11
Speaker 3: see in the past, I'm looking so good, and I
46:14
Speaker 3: didn't let myself feel that way, you know, in time
46:18
Speaker 3: moving on, to really value your beauty. For anyone listening
46:22
Speaker 3: right now, it's so important as women, especially to value
46:27
Speaker 3: your beauty right now without be needling yourself or being like,
46:31
Speaker 3: oh but this is out of place or that, to
46:34
Speaker 3: just have some full radical acceptance and let yourself feel
46:38
Speaker 3: left peace. Your central nervous system is going to relax,
46:42
Speaker 3: your cells are going to realign, your your body and
46:45
Speaker 3: face are going to show that if you.
46:49
Speaker 2: True, so true, so true, and especially as women. I
46:53
Speaker 2: mean maybe men do this too, but just I know
46:56
Speaker 2: from all my girlfriends and conversations we have, and I
47:00
Speaker 2: look at pictures when I was younger, and I'm thinking,
47:03
Speaker 2: what was I thinking? Right like, yeah, it's crazy that
47:08
Speaker 2: we do that. And I know, and I know society
47:11
Speaker 2: has a lot to do with it. I look at
47:13
Speaker 2: my niece now, who's fifteen, and I remember before she
47:17
Speaker 2: became self aware of her looks, how much freer she
47:20
Speaker 2: was than she is now because I watched her put
47:24
Speaker 2: on her makeup and everything has to be perfect, and
47:26
Speaker 2: she's gorgeous. Of course she's gorgeous and I tell her
47:29
Speaker 2: all the time, but she has to see herself that way.
47:32
Speaker 2: And her mother, my sister and I are always reminding her,
47:35
Speaker 2: and my mother my grandmother. But it is a learning
47:38
Speaker 2: thing and she's going off of her peers. Right. All
47:41
Speaker 2: these girls, these teenage girls are like that as we
47:44
Speaker 2: were too, especially as teenage girls.
47:46
Speaker 7: Right.
47:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm glad that you did that. You said that,
47:50
Speaker 2: But I want to ask you this question before I
47:53
Speaker 2: forget when we were going back to the chiron core
47:57
Speaker 2: wounds and finding your chiron core, So how does one
48:03
Speaker 2: start to find it and then heal? It should be
48:08
Speaker 2: the broad question, and you can answer that anyway that
48:11
Speaker 2: you feel would help us understand.
48:16
Speaker 3: Sure. I noticed earlier in the show that you had
48:18
Speaker 3: shared with people they can go to Google to find
48:21
Speaker 3: their chiron and eat your place, because when I did
48:24
Speaker 3: that it took a lot of digging. So I'm okay.
48:26
Speaker 3: Free interactive website where you can put in your data birth, birth,
48:32
Speaker 3: the time of birth if you have it, and it
48:33
Speaker 3: just pops up, boom, chiron is in and it gives
48:36
Speaker 3: it to you. It's just the same Nola theapy dot
48:39
Speaker 3: Com forward slash chiron hi R O N and you'll
48:44
Speaker 3: be able to find it. And then in my book
48:46
Speaker 3: I talk about depending on where chiron is, if it's
48:49
Speaker 3: in Ares or Taurus or Capricorn or Libro. I give
48:53
Speaker 3: some practical takeaway steps five or six steps that you
48:57
Speaker 3: can start today to try some new things, to shift
49:01
Speaker 3: the thought patterns that have created belief you have around
49:05
Speaker 3: this tiron wounding or vulnerability, and to start healing yourself
49:10
Speaker 3: as well as some mantras, affirmations, whatever word you prefer,
49:14
Speaker 3: to start really embracing and noticing if the affirmations resonate
49:20
Speaker 3: with you or if you feel a lot of resistance
49:22
Speaker 3: to them, which means you just need to love yourself
49:24
Speaker 3: a little more into believing these statements of truth about yourself.
49:31
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I work a lot and talk about affirmations
49:34
Speaker 2: a lot, and they're on the post cards. And you
49:37
Speaker 2: start with an affirmation that feels comfortable. You know, you
49:40
Speaker 2: don't have yeah always yeah, yeah, you know, if you're
49:44
Speaker 2: working on worthiness, you don't have to say to yourself,
49:47
Speaker 2: I love myself completely, I'm the best person you know
49:50
Speaker 2: in the world. I'm just using that as an example.
49:53
Speaker 2: If you feel like that's way too far out there.
49:56
Speaker 2: You can start with something you're good at, something you
49:59
Speaker 2: feel proud of, a character that you feel proud of
50:01
Speaker 2: about yourself. You know, you can start small and you
50:03
Speaker 2: work yourself up. It's that kind of thing. Oh I
50:07
Speaker 2: love that. Okay, I'm so glad that people can go
50:10
Speaker 2: to your website and find it. Okay to do that?
50:12
Speaker 2: Go there, Go ahead. What were you going to say?
50:14
Speaker 3: And I would I would say, like, in alignment with
50:17
Speaker 3: what you're saying, to find a bridging statement to take
50:21
Speaker 3: up the big affirmation I am good enough. As an example,
50:25
Speaker 3: it might be, Hey, I want to know. I want
50:28
Speaker 3: to know that I'm good enough. I want to feel
50:30
Speaker 3: more valuable, I want to be more hind to myself.
50:34
Speaker 3: Something that you can really get behind and you feel
50:36
Speaker 3: in your body like oh yeah, like that that would
50:39
Speaker 3: be really great, Like that I'm I'm allowed to have
50:41
Speaker 3: abundance that I'm you know, there is abundance for me.
50:45
Speaker 3: Like show me, like you know, really bridge yourself as
50:48
Speaker 3: I heard you say to the affirmation, and like walk
50:51
Speaker 3: across that bridge as it manifests under your feet and
50:55
Speaker 3: in your life and in your relationships to the next
50:58
Speaker 3: step that yeah.
51:01
Speaker 2: Walk across that bridge. Yeah, yeah, that's good. I like that.
51:05
Speaker 2: Now you talk about a little bit about core wounds,
51:09
Speaker 2: because we have core wounds or the chiron's core wound
51:12
Speaker 2: in our in each of us. Or what about in
51:16
Speaker 2: a city or a country. Now I know each country
51:19
Speaker 2: has its own astrological chart, so I imagine that certain cities
51:24
Speaker 2: or countries have a placement of chiron. Also, yeah, they all.
51:29
Speaker 3: Think which can be fun, which can be really fun
51:31
Speaker 3: to play with. Or in your own life, take your
51:34
Speaker 3: business the day that you created your LLC on the
51:37
Speaker 3: document and put it in my interactive website and see
51:41
Speaker 3: the chiron placement of your business. It might help you.
51:45
Speaker 2: I'm going to do that going on, Yeah, I'm gonna
51:48
Speaker 2: do that. When with postcards, I'm going to do that.
51:51
Speaker 2: I'm curious, now, go ahead, go ahead.
51:55
Speaker 3: It could be the date of your marriage or your
51:57
Speaker 3: first date to see kind of the chiron place end
52:00
Speaker 3: of your relationship. It might center upon the things that
52:03
Speaker 3: there's been disagreements and it could help you both come
52:06
Speaker 3: into more agreement and to support each other around this
52:10
Speaker 3: vulnerability instead of instead of fighting about it so much.
52:14
Speaker 2: Right, and also, we don't want to say that wherever
52:18
Speaker 2: your chiron is is a bad thing, right like if
52:21
Speaker 2: you do look it up and like, right like, you
52:24
Speaker 2: don't want to say, like, oh, you know the date
52:26
Speaker 2: I got married, my chiron was here, and that means
52:29
Speaker 2: because then we give it a story, and you know,
52:33
Speaker 2: we can have a negative reaction to us. So we
52:35
Speaker 2: don't want to do that. You just want to show
52:37
Speaker 2: where there may be some challenges, like what would be
52:40
Speaker 2: a word would be a good a good thing to
52:44
Speaker 2: use for something like that.
52:46
Speaker 3: Well, if you think about it, people, you've already given
52:49
Speaker 3: your relationship a story. It's the thought you're thinking about
52:53
Speaker 3: your partner, your relationship every day. So I don't think
52:55
Speaker 3: there's a danger of that. I think trying the chiron
52:58
Speaker 3: placement can help help you both support each other. This
53:01
Speaker 3: is where we feel vulnerability, and vulnerability deserves kindness, It
53:07
Speaker 3: deserves love. It deserves to be held very gently and tenderly.
53:12
Speaker 3: And you can start to do that when you find
53:15
Speaker 3: out what displacement is instead of instead of being critical
53:18
Speaker 3: of each other or disappointed or angry, it can it
53:22
Speaker 3: can help you show up and your partners show up
53:24
Speaker 3: differently for you. It can actually be very exciting.
53:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, the word is vulnerability. That's the word I
53:30
Speaker 2: was looking for. Thank you. Where you can find out
53:32
Speaker 2: where there's a vulnerability, that's and we all have vulnerability,
53:35
Speaker 2: so I like that. So, Lisa, I know we only
53:38
Speaker 2: have a couple of minutes. Is there anything that you
53:40
Speaker 2: want to share or can people reach out to you?
53:44
Speaker 2: Do you do one on one sessions? Are you giving clients? Okay,
53:48
Speaker 2: so tell us about that.
53:49
Speaker 3: And if where we wrap up, If anybody reaches out
53:52
Speaker 3: to me, my email is Lisa at nolastherapy dot com.
53:57
Speaker 3: Through my website, you can email me your book and
53:59
Speaker 3: appointment and send me a message mention your show, Melissa,
54:02
Speaker 3: And I'd love to give a new client half off
54:05
Speaker 3: a first session by phone or zoom, so it'd be
54:08
Speaker 3: ninety dollars instead of one hundred and ninety to just
54:11
Speaker 3: come in and see, you know what working with me
54:14
Speaker 3: could be like. And I'd love to give that to
54:16
Speaker 3: your community. And I really appreciate the show today. You're
54:20
Speaker 3: just a wonderful interviewer and a beautiful break soul.
54:24
Speaker 2: Aw thank you. So yeah. So guys, if anybody's looking
54:28
Speaker 2: to maybe start doing some inner work and they want
54:31
Speaker 2: to work with somebody, check her out and Lisa, just
54:34
Speaker 2: so you know I have I'll have your website on
54:37
Speaker 2: the description on the podcast, so that'll go up everywhere,
54:41
Speaker 2: so people can go right to your website and they
54:42
Speaker 2: can reach out to you if they want to work
54:44
Speaker 2: with you. And of course, where can people get your book?
54:47
Speaker 2: On Amazon? Anywhere?
54:50
Speaker 3: It's on Amazon's at Walmart dot com. I've discovered you
54:53
Speaker 3: can also go to your local brick and mortar bookstore
54:58
Speaker 3: and you can bring my title in and they can
55:00
Speaker 3: pull it up and order it to your local bookstore.
55:03
Speaker 3: Because I love supporting our local media sellers as well.
55:07
Speaker 3: We took me your one, Barnes and Noble Books a million,
55:10
Speaker 3: all those places you're able to get it. And I'm
55:12
Speaker 3: also I'm also the narrator of the audiobook, so it's
55:15
Speaker 3: my voice reading you my book if you prefer that way.
55:19
Speaker 2: Oh, you did your own audio book. That's funny because
55:22
Speaker 2: Postcards does. Postcards doesn't have an audiobook because there's so
55:26
Speaker 2: much visual component. But now that audible you can do
55:28
Speaker 2: like a PDF. So somebody was saying to me, would
55:31
Speaker 2: you want to do your own book reading? And I
55:34
Speaker 2: said to me personally, I said no, I would rather
55:38
Speaker 2: have somebody else to read my book. But that's great.
55:41
Speaker 2: I love that you did that, that you read your
55:44
Speaker 2: own book. That's great. Well, it's such a pleasure, Lisa,
55:47
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me today and I
55:50
Speaker 2: really appreciate them. Guys, Yeah, reach out to her. Thank
55:55
Speaker 2: you and we'll be in touch soon. All right, everybody,
55:58
Speaker 2: it was such a great show today. Thanks for listening
56:02
Speaker 2: to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa creating the life
56:04
Speaker 2: you crave. And I'm wishing everyone a wonderful week filled
56:07
Speaker 2: with joy, abundance and love. Peace,