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Track us. It's the Galaxy's most unpredictable Star Trek podcast. Ah, there
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we are clopping. Yeah, it's going on. Man. Hey, how's
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it going, Daniel? Oh I'm good. How are you doing? Man,
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I'm good. It's a little cold here in in Michigan. We had
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had some a little bit more snow. Yeah, not too much, but
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it's really cold, so a little it's the first time in a long time
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that it's been colder than average. I hate to say this, but maybe,
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just possibly, that groundhog is a liar. Oh yeah, you shut
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your mouth, Okay, I don't want I don't want to hear that.
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Yeah. So, yeah, there's some crazy weather stuff. I hear.
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California is having some issues and it's nuts. Yeah. I got family over
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there and they've complained about it, some of the flooding and all that.
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Right. Yeah, it's it's been wild all around the country. Seems like
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the California's feast or famine. Like they have a drought for like, you
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know, fifty years, and all of a sudden they're getting too much,
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like more rain than you don't know what to do with. Oh yeah,
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there's that old animaniac song. La Town is burning down and it talks about
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all the natural disasters that happened. Oh, floods, landslides, yeah,
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earthquakes, Yeah, it's just all of them. At least they don't have
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to deal with snow. Yeah, that's the thing. Snow and hurricanes they
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don't get. But other than that, right show. Yeah, but I
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guess that's kind of what they get for, like relatively nice weather most of
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the time. This is true. This is true. Yeah. Yeah.
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When you're like it's sixty degrees, I'm freezing, you're living pretty good.
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Right. Well, everybody knows the joke about the you know, the whether
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it's like to have a I was a weatherman in southern California, right,
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you know, what's the weather like? Nice? Back to you? Yep,
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yep, yep. Other than I'm doing good. I had a good
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weekend. I went out and I watched that movie. I didn't know how
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into that. Yeah, yep. But everything's going good here other than the
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cold. So yeah, I'm happy. Yeah, how about you? Good
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good? I wouldn't play board games with the friend yesterday. That's always a
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lot of fun, isn't it. Yeah, we went to one of those
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board game cafes, okay, and hung out. Yeah. It was a
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lot of fun. Yeah, that's always a cool cool like networking and just
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you know, chilling out experience. Yeah yeah, yeah. But we we
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got a lot of news stories, so we should probably get into it.
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So let's do it. Let's get into the entertainment news, all right.
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So our first news story comes to us to day from Variety. Get ready,
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there is another vulture circling. Paramount might be in talks to combine with
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Peacock aka Comcast. So this is another potential buyer partner whatever you want to
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call it, for Paramount, and uh Comcast aka Peacock is looking at combining
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with them. This is according to Variety. The talks are very very early
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on, just like the early early on talks with Warner Brothers with that other
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group that wants to buy them out. There's been a few others too,
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so we'll see what happens. I love that. The joke around the internet
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is if they're combined, will it be called cock Mount Plus. We don't
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know. I was gonna say, there's gotta be a hundred different yea possibilities
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for dames. Yeah, cock Mount Plus is my favorite. Yeah, I'm
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sure I'll subscribe everyone will, everyone will, Yeah, go ahead. I
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was gonna say, what's really sad is you know they just laid off hundreds
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of people right after hosting the Super Bowl where they broke record profits for super
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advertising, right right? Yeah? And Peacock of all, I mean Peacock
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is an NBC company, right, Paramount Ye, it's Comcast company. Paramount
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plus is known, you know, it's it's originally was CBS All Access correct,
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so CBS NBC basically correct. That's like coke and PEPSI like joining forces.
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It doesn't. It doesn't feel right at all. It does not feel
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right at all. This would be more like coke and r C cola.
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Sure, sure, yeah, yeah, but yeah, weird, it's very
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weird. It's you know, who knows that this is what it is?
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You know, there is that group that's looking to buy what's her name,
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Sherry Gladstone I think is her name, the lady who owns the majority Oh
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okay, paramount. Yeah, you know it could just be this is just
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another way to make her shares more enticing than what they really are. So
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many I hate little shady things like that. But yeah, yeah, so
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that's really what it could be. I mean, until something actually happens until
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I actually have to, you know, change my username and password. I'm
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going to take it right, right, Yeah, so we'll see, we'll
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keep an eye on it. I imagine by the end of the year we'll
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we'll have a settled understanding as to what's going to happen with Paramount, right,
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But yeah, up until then, man, everything's up in the air
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and we really don't know. Yeah, we'll have to keep an eye on
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it because you know, we've all talked about this. Everything that Paramount does
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potentially affects Star Trek, correct, and so yeah, everybody's keeping a close
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eye on that. Movies and TV shows and you know, the future of
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you know, everything they've already put out in the future, things they've talked
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about putting out. Yeah, and speaking of up in the air, you
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know, take this with the massive grain of salt. But apparently, according
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to covered Geklely Nicolas Cage's reports, reportedly set to lead a live action Spider
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Man War show. So this would be a Paramount or a prime video so
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on on Amazon Live Action Spider Man War TV show. So yeah, Cage
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is getting I mean, he's been kind of nuts for a while, but
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yeah. Yeah. I mean he's not like melt Gibson nuts yet, but
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I would say he's nuttier. But you think he's nut here? Oh yeah,
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yeah, yeah absolutely? Ok, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
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don't know, man, like you got your sixties plus Spider Man is that?
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I don't know. I don't know, man. I mean he's Nicholas
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Cage. I guess he can do whatever he wants. But yeah, absolutely,
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I mean I like Spreader and war that in the cartoon movie. But
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I don't know if I know Nicholas Cage. Yeah, actually got around,
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sat like a Spandex and swigging around. How long would this show last with
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Nicholas Cage? One maybe two seasons and that's it. It probably wouldn't even
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be It would probably be like a one yeah, limited. What would Nicholas
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Cage want to do because it would maybe it would totally be up to him
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how how long he did it? Yeah? Yeah, And I don't know
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if Nicholas Cage I My mind's around a blank. Nicholas Cage has never done
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a series, has he? Not that I'm aware of? No? Yeah,
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yeah, I mean what I've heard from you know, different actors in
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their interviews, is that doing a TV show is a lot different than doing
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a movie, right right, absolutely, so I guess we'll see. I
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guess we'll see. Okay. Also coming to us in the you know,
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realm of speculation, I guess, according to the Hollywood Reporter, let me
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uh, let me pull this up for you guys, because when I saw
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this, I couldn't believe what I was saying. Uh So, Ridley Scott,
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the director of Gladiator, is set to direct a Beg's movie. Oh
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wow, Yeah, my mom will be excited about that. He's a big
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Bes fan. In fact, we just saw a Beg's cover band last year.
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Oh really yeah, yeah, I don't. I mean, the Beg's
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was not my band, so I really don't know much about them. Really
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not my band either, but you know, yeah, when mommy gets all
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excited about you know, the Beg's coming to ship Shawanna, I cannot wait
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for that movie. It's gonna be nuts. Yeah, you really got drama
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to warrant a film. I guess we're gonna fight, I guess, but
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a like, yeah, I could see like Ron Howard doing a movie like
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that. Yeah, but yeah he's gonna do it, So that's okay cool,
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I guess we'll see what happens. I watch with mom. Yeah,
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you know. And it's a shame for our last news story that Dan is
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not here because I know he's been wondering about this. So Dan, when
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you're listening to this later, this is for you, buddy. According to
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CBR Star, Trek Discovery has said its premiere date, so it will be
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Unleashing upon the Earth on Ampril fourth, And just for Dan, they're going
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to start with two episodes and then go one episode after that. Lucky Dan.
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Yes, that's awesome. Dan will be very excited that he'll get to
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see two episodes of Michael Burnham, which is what they did in the first
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season, right they had that, Yes, so that's kind of a nice
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nd for the last season the same thing. So well, a silver lining
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for Dan. The fact that they're airing two of their episodes first means the
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whole thing is going to be over sooner, right right right there is that
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I don't know what the last episode is, but yeah, I was gonna
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say, I remembered they did release the schedule for the last season and the
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final episode is going to air while him and I are at the Trek Long
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Island Convention. That's awesome. So you know, get your tissues boxes together.
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Yeah, you guys, car that's right, get in loser. We're
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going crying. Yeah. Oh, you guys are gonna have such a good
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time. I can't wait. Yeah, put on our black mass Skara lipstick,
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and I think you should film a reaction video with Dan. It's just
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gonna be him throwing things. Yeah, our audience wants to see that.
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Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Well he's gonna I think he's gonna laugh,
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he's gonna cry. I think he's gonna want to hug people, so be
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careful. He might he might give you to be an emotional rollercoaster for him.
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Yeah, it'll be definitely be an emotional Rollcaster's awesome. Yeah, but
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you know it is what it is. All right. Well that is all
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for our news. Yeah, we've been kind of avoiding it, but it's
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time. I mean, let's let's do it. Let's get into our supplemental
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all right. So this was my bad idea. Well it was so bad
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idea I just piggyback off it. So we are going to be reviewing and
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talking about Madam Webb. It's really a web trash for Scott to go see
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this thing. Yeah, and your child as well. I did, I
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did, yeh. Do you want to do the tagline or do you have
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one? Or I've got go go for it, go for it. Okay.
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So, like like Daniel said, we're gonna be reviewing Madam Webb that
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came out last week. Cassandra Webb is a New York Metropolitan paramedic who begins
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to demonstrate signs of Clara Boyance for us to challenge revelations about her past.
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Needs to safeguard three young women from a deadly adversary who wants them destroyed.
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So yeah, so Dakota Johnson of fifty Shades of Whatever fan she stars as
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Cassandra Webb. The movie takes place in two thousand and three years ago.
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Yes, yep ye, and then yeah, so let's let's let's start disfecting.
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So guys, there's gonna be nothing with spoilers throughout this So if you
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haven't seen it or not where, yeah, you'll have to write that in
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the show notes and on the on the interwebs and all the socials. Nothing
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but spoilers throughout this thing. Man. Ye uh, this movie is bad.
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Like I went in thinking, Okay, this is gonna be so bad,
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it'll be a lot of fun to make fun of. And it is.
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I mean literally within the first three minutes, I yelled an audible what
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the fuck you know? And it just went on from there, literally within
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the first three minutes. Like to go scene by scene, it's nonsensical,
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it doesn't matter. Right from from the introduction to apparently there is a tribe
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of Spider man like people through to the main villain with an undistinguishable accent that
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keeps fading in and out. Yep. Two, he's barefoot for some reason.
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At points they never explained, Yeah, Adam Scott is there for some
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reason, and so the Sema Roberts, you know, it's when I saw
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Adam Scott, I was like, oh, yeah, it's bed for Parks
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and rec and they're like, oh, he's he's playing Ben Parker. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah, I don't know if you so. Basically the plot
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is just to give you a quick summation. Madam Webb finds out that there
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are three h spider girls who are potentially going to be Spider type girls,
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and the villain has found out about them as well. The villain believes these
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girls are going to kill him because as heroes. They're going to go and
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just straight up murder him in his vision, they defeat him and then they
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throw him out of a building and kill him. Yeah these are heroic ye,
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So, and we should clarify this is the Sony Spider Verse. So
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okay, fun fact about that. I looked into this apparently right before this
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movie came out. Originally this movie was supposed to be connected to like Venom
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and Morevius and all their other films, but right before they came out,
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Sony announced, Yeah, this is its own thing. It's so bad.
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The spoiled bits. Yeah, they're like, this is just his own thing.
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That's how bad it is. So they knew it. They knew it.
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So Madam Webb is basically protecting these girls from the from the bad guy.
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The bad guy is Ezekiel Simms. If you know the comic books,
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he's He's kind of a Spider Man like type character who has all sorts of
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new powers in this movie that apparently he does not have in the comics.
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I don't know if you've read much about what this film was originally supposed to
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be. No, all I know is that the the screenplay went through a
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lot of Rewhite. Yeah. So in interviews, Dakota Johnson has said that
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what she's signed on for and what this film was ended up being were two
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completely different things. There are multiple reports that originally this was going to be
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basically Spider Man Terminator, where Madam Webb was protecting a infant Peter Perner from
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Ezekiel. Right, and if you watch the movie, you will notice a
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ton of Ezekiel's lines when he says stuff does not match what his lips are
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saying. Oh yeah. There's also a lot of times he says something but
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it's cut away to a different character, so that they could very much just
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it's over his line. Yeah, you know, so they definitely just frung
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this thing together. Sounds like they are not just screenplay. I mean they
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shot a lot of this is what you're saying, and yeah, changed it
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real real last minute. A lot of people are pissed about this movie,
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including Dakota Johnson. I read that she changed her her agency, Yeah because
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of this, Like yeah, the the I think the week that the first
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trailer dropped, she changed her agency. Yep. Yeah, yeah, there's
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nothing. There's nothing good about this movie as far as like publicity and reviews,
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and you know, I heard some rumblings about a sequel. Good luck
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with that. Oh that's not happening. Yeah, no, no, this
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is the last time was Adam Web. At least it's the first and last
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Madam Web film. This. I have seen people compare this to this is
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not even like a ghost writer bad. This is catwoman bad. And you
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know what, they're not wrong. Yeah, they're not wrong. You know.
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Some of the dialogue in this thing is so clunky. Uh, someone
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clearly does don't understand human interactions in a lot of it. You know.
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It's just like, Okay, I am an aspiring screenwriter, right, that's
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what I would love to do. This kind of movie fuels my passion because
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I'm like, if that can get made, I know I can do better
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anything, right Yeah. Yeah, But it also kind of infuriates me because
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I'm like, well, I know I can do better. Why am I
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not doing this? Sure? No, that's totally understandable. Yeah. You
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know, the screenwriters of this have got a history of not success. They
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did the Dracula untold film, they did Morbius and the Hand of other films
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that I didn't watch Morevius, but I heard it was not great. Oh
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it's Morbon time, baby, It's it's pretty bad, okay, compared to
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this it's Shakespeare. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty bad. It's really bad.
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Herself said, she hasn't seen the film, so yeah, yeah,
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Jacot Johnson has not seen the film, she said, maybe she'll watch it.
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Sure, shouil. Let me show you just how bad this thing is
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as far as the domestic box office for it. Right, So here is
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the box office motion domestic box boas right, we are looking at Bob Marley
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one. Love is seven point four million, right now, Madam Love is
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four point three million. Yeah, our guys still stinging strong at one point
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one. So it's just a bad box office all around. Yeah. But
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yeah, I saw it at a you know, a pretty main theater in
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town on a Saturday night, you know, where the weather was nice enough
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to drive but really really cold, so you'd think it would be prime.
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There was like ten other people in the theater. Twelve other people in the
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theater. Yeah, I think the ratio of empty chairs to people was like
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fifteen to one at my theater. Yeah, there was just a handful.
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There was like a group of like three guys who were totally just getting drunk
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and watching this thing, right the Yeah, yeah, there were a couple
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of empty beer cans at the bottom of their chairs when I walked by.
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I bet, I bet. Yeah. Yeah, so they had a good
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time with it, So yeah, good for that. Yeah, Well,
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my twelve year old and I did not drink any alcohol watchcast movie. But
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so yeah, my son and I went and saw it last night. And
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what did your son think? So we both we both went into it with
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the expectation that it was horrible, right, And I went into it with,
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you know, sort of a homework assignment, bully. I mean,
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I had no desire to see this film, so going in, I had
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no expectations. I was expecting it to be bad, and I had to
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turn my brain off, which for me is pretty easy to do, and
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so I I actually I tried to compare it to other films that I was
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waiting for them to end, and sort of looking at it through that lens.
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I did not hate this movie. It was not a horrible movie going
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experience. It was forgettable. I probably won't give it much more thought,
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but while we were watching it, It's not the type of Marvel type of
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movie we're used to. There there, there aren't a whole lot of action
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sequences, at least not the way we're getting sort of got used to.
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The main character does not get into a costume until the bury and of the
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movie, when they're sort of doing a flash forwards sequence. So it's not
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it's it's not a typical superhero movie in that sense. In fact, the
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people she's protecting, the Spider Girls, they don't show any of their powers
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at all during the main part of the movie. There's some flash forward sequences,
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some future kind of I can see in the future kind of things where
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they do, but it's it's not, you know, superpower gets superpower,
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And the only superpower that Madam Webb has is she's she's clairvoyant, so she
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can see things a little bit before they happen. So I didn't hate the
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movie like everybody else did. If everybody else, I think it got like
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a sixteen percent on Rotten Tomatoes, got lower? Did it? God?
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Lower? In that sense? Okay, I would give it a C minus.
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Okay, So I didn't hate it. I didn't love it. My
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son and I looked at each other at the end and we're like, yeah,
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I wasn't great, but I don't understand the hate, right, So
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yeah, there is on Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah, let's see what some people
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have said. Let me uh get to that. Okay, there's no ratings
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available for a movie like this. I knew it was going to be bad.
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I just never imagine how bad it was going to get. That's from
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g n E. Okay, let's see what else, uh Morgan, it's
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clearly it's clear they're trying to set up for a second part of the story,
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but this one was one of the worst endings I've ever seen. It
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hurts my heart because it had such high hopes. It's likely just the part
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two of a sequel, just so you can finally get the trio of girls
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actually getting to use their powers. Yeah, that's one point. The girls
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never get their powers. No, not even at the end. No,
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you only see them in costume using their powers and flash forward seguence. Oh
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here we go. Here's a five star rating from Dora. My friends and
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I enjoyed. It was a little slow in the beginning, but we like
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the movie. It was different from other films. Yeah, it was definitely
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different from other films. It was cool. There will definitely be a sequel.
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We can't wait for that. Well there you go. Yeah, yeah,
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Well, with an audience score of fifty four, it looks like there
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it was split right down the middle. Obviously, the people that do that
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do the certified reviews, their movie reviewers, so they're gonna nitpick. This
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is how I look at This is how I look at Rotten Tomatoes. The
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people who do the the reviews, the reviewers are people like you who you
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know, how do I put this? Are sort of movie savvy and sort
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of smart about things to look for. And then there's like me, right,
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and then there's people like me who you know, I I wouldn't know
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good lighting if it was shining on my butt. I you know, I
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just I just go and I'll know at the end of the movie if I
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just overall all enjoyed it or overall hated it, whether I felt bored while
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if I was angry, you know that kind of stuff. I was a
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little bit bored, but I wasn't angry when I when I finished this movie,
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I did like that they went to Peru, just like Paddington. So
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that's nice. Yeah, let's draw some more comparisons between this movie and Oh,
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let me think, can I make more, come on, movie snob.
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Oh she wears a jacket just like Paddington, though hers is right is
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a blue. Yep, let's see they are both in Peru. I really
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don't see her with sandwiches, so I don't I don't know, not very
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kind. She's kind of sarcastic, a little bitchy. Yeah, yeah,
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what did you think? Let's let's break down some individual components. What did
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you think about Dakota Johnson. I think in the right roles, she's really
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good, but she's not my style of actress as far as her delivery and
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everything. I think she'd be really good in some like dead pan comedies.
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Yeah, yep, she would be fantastic in that, and I probably like
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her a lot more. I think she just needs to find the right she
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needs one more selective in her rules. I think. Yeah, I think
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you're right about that. Yeah. I haven't seen a lot of stuff that
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she's been in. I I haven't seen any of the Fifty Shades movies.
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But yeah, this is really the first thing I can remember her being and
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I don't remember watching her in any other films. But I think she's one
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of those people who she can't help herself but sound sarcastic more often than not.
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Sure, And I don't think she means to be. I think that's
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just how she is. I know people like that, So I think that's
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her kind of uphill struggle in that respect. Yep, yep. The three
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the three young women that played the Spider Girls, Yeah, with Sydney Sweeney,
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Isabella merced uh huh, and Celeste O'Connor. Okay, the only one
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of them that I recognized was Celeste O'Connor. She was the sort of girlfriend
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in Ghostbusters Afterlife. Oh that's right, Yeah, yeah, okay. And
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then obviously, you know, I like Adam Scott. I think he's I
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think he's a good actor. I think he was. I think he was
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a little old to portray this particular character. I might be wrong about that,
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but because Adam Scott's like fifty years old, oh yeah, yeah,
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fifty one. So and who else I know? Sidney's Tweeney. I know
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her because she's from this area. She's from Spokane. Oh okay, yeah,
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so Emma roberts who played Mary Parker, which what a waste of Emma
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roberts Man. She's barely in this movie. Yeah yeah, I thought so
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too. I thought so too. Yeah, there weren't any really memorable performances
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in this movie, at least not memorable for the right reasons. Right,
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I've heard this compared to the Room with Tommy Wissou the oh yeah, t
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me up, Lisa, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, oh hello,
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yeah that guy. A lot of the line delivery is like that. And
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and it's very clearly that a lot of these actors are just on autopilot.
28:51
Man, they do not care. Well, yeah, sometimes you know what
28:56
I thought? Yeah, one thing that I thought was interesting for us Star
29:00
Trek fans. So s J. Clarkston is the one who directed this film.
29:06
At one point, she was up for directing the next Star Trek movie,
29:08
Star Trek four. Oh okay, yeah, she was one of the
29:14
million directors that have been signed on to do it. So I don't know
29:18
what. I don't know much about her work. So she's she this is
29:22
her first movie. She's done a lot of TV movie TV shows. I
29:26
think she did Game of Thrones if I remember, right, Oh okay,
29:30
yeah, but yeah, this was her first movie. And so I mean,
29:38
I don't blame her. It's it's just a bad small The script was
29:42
bad. Yeah, Yeah, what'd you think about the special effects, which
29:48
there weren't a ton of special effects. No, there was a lot of
29:52
like filters and stuff like that to kind of make it look more than what
29:56
it was. Yeah, I mean, like they're evil. Spider Man doesn't
30:02
have webs, right, so he's just kind of yeah, run and jump
30:06
in. That's something I noticed because I looked over my son and I'm like,
30:08
I did this sort of like this, and I'm like and he's like,
30:11
yeah, he doesn't have any web shooters. Yeah, yeah, but
30:15
he has the like he can touch you and poison you. Right. I
30:21
didn't quite understand it, Like I guess, like a spider bite from his
30:25
hands. So yeah, I guess. I guess. Okay, well,
30:29
like how does that work? Does he turned it on and off? Like?
30:32
Can he shake someone's hand in business and not kill them? Yeah?
30:37
You know question, Well, like I guess it. You know the way
30:40
Peter Parker, the Toby Maguire Peter Parker, like, you know his web
30:45
shooters. Do they every time he goes like this? Do they shoot out?
30:48
Or does he just right? Yeah? Well maybe maybe the evil Spider
30:53
Man dude from this movie had to do some sort of special handshake with himself.
30:57
Yeah, when you're asking these kind of questions, you've checked out of
31:03
the film, right right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was having
31:07
a hard time dealing with the I just in fact, I just saw it
31:12
on the goofs on IMDb. But it's something I noticed in the movie.
31:15
I started nitpicking little things that have nothing to do with a plot, like
31:18
the the ambulance that gets hit by the dump truck. Yeah, okay,
31:23
the ambulance gets t boned by the dump truck, and it's a pretty it's
31:29
a bad enough accident with the ambulance driver dies, right, and then they
31:33
do an aerial shot and the direction that the dump truck is going fifty feet
31:37
past it was a river. So yeah, how was he going fast enough
31:42
to hit an ambulance hard enough to kill the driver? That didn't make any
31:47
sense to me, you know, well yeah unless it breaks went out,
31:52
But they didn't really allude to that. They should have been playing that a
31:53
little bit better. And even the ambulance driver that died, that's Mike,
31:57
Mike Epps is great, yeah yeah, and he's just kind of there.
32:01
He's just kind of there for about a minute and that was it. Yeah,
32:08
Yeah, I don't know, it was a weird film. Like part
32:13
of it too, is they they allude to Madam Web Is this like really
32:19
loner a character who doesn't like to be around people, but she's constantly around
32:22
people and the center of attention and everybody loves her. Right, So that
32:28
didn't match up. Yeah, that's a character, that's a character group.
32:32
Yeah, it's just as far as technology, because the film is set twenty
32:38
years ago. I thought they did an okay job of you know, nobody
32:44
whipped out a smartphone and not everybody had cell phones because I remember back in
32:47
two thousand and three, you know, not everybody had a cell phone back
32:51
then, right, so well, but it was the little things like reports.
32:58
There are reports that originally this film was going to be set in the
33:01
nineties and that the big revelation was going to be that the Peter Parker in
33:10
that movie was going to be Adam Garfield Peter Perker. Oh and then he
33:17
would be the Spider Man for all like the Morebius and Venom and all that.
33:22
Oh okay, that was apparently the goal. But nobody looked at his
33:29
movies and thought, okay, if we set them, then then we need
33:31
to set this movie at this time period, and so it didn't match right,
33:37
so they didn't figure it out un till later. Yeah, at that
33:40
point, like yeah, and at that point when they started like trying to
33:45
a piece together timelines, they were like, oh, wait, nobody likes
33:49
this movie. We're just gonna dump it. It's not even attached to our
33:53
other movies. I'm actually surprised that this movie did not go the way of
33:58
Batgirl. I'm surprised by that too, honestly, because you know, a
34:02
studio has to ask itself, is this going to do more harm than good?
34:07
Yeah? And the problem with them is this does more harm to two
34:12
studios because people do think that this is a Marvel movie, right, and
34:17
it's not. It's not. And people are confused because it's a Marvel character.
34:22
So in the credits it says a Marvel you know, based on Marvel
34:24
characters, and you know, a Marvel blah blah blah film. It's it's
34:28
not the mcu ye, and it's confusing. And yeah, the Sony Spider
34:34
verse, you know that there's been some connections made, but right, yeah,
34:38
because Sony wants them all connected. But Marvel's like now right, right,
34:45
So I don't it's Tom holland are they going to do another Spider Man
34:49
anything with him? Is? Uh? So, the rumors are that,
34:52
yes, they're going to there. It's just that Sony and Marvel are fighting
34:57
as to how to do it, right because Tom Spider Man, that's a
35:00
Sony product, right, Yes, yes, but but Marvel is more or
35:07
less in control. The creative says to go to Johnson thought it was a
35:12
Marvel movie. Yeah, that that's the rumor, right. She hasn't flat
35:15
out and said that, but apparently she was told this is going to be
35:19
a Marvel movie, and then when the trailer comes out, she realized it's
35:22
a Sony Marvel movie. Right, she learned that there's a difference. I
35:25
guarantee you she did not know that there was a difference MCU versus Spider Verse.
35:31
Yeah. Yeah, So, but the rumor is that that Marvel wants
35:38
to do a grounded Spider Man movie for Spider Man four. It's like Spider
35:45
Man and Daredevil versus The Kingpin essentially. Okay, right, but apparently Sony
35:51
back to the Street. Yeah, Sony wants to do another Giant Multiverse film
35:57
because No Way Home did so great and they want to bring back Peter or
36:01
Andrew and Toby, and maybe even throw in a live action Miles and just
36:06
go Duns. Let's bring it down to Earth just for one movie, right,
36:13
you know, we need to bring we need to have a friendly neighborhood
36:16
Spider Man for a movie, you know, because the last time we saw
36:21
him, you know, I mean Tom Holland's character, you know, he
36:28
we saw briefly for the first time in Civil War, and then after that,
36:30
I mean he was in space and he was, you know, fighting
36:34
what he thought was altered other dimensional beings. And then it's yeah, they
36:38
need to ground him a little bit and make him a friendly neighorhood spider Man
36:43
again. And that would be a fantastic idea of bringing it to the streets
36:46
with Daredevil, Spider Man, Kingpin, you know. And I was going
36:51
to say people that aren't super superpowered, but you know, even Spider Man
36:55
is you know, in a lot of the ways he's been portrayed, he's
37:00
he's not you know, he's not four, He's not Iron Man, you
37:05
know. I Mean the only thing really that's that's brought him to these great
37:08
heights is the suit that he's been wearing for some of these movies, you
37:13
know, bring him back down to you know, spandex and hook up with
37:17
with Matt Murdoch. And I think that would be great. I think you
37:21
can even name it your friendly neighborhoods Spider Man, I think, Yeah,
37:25
I think that'd be great. Yeah, Yeah, that'd be a great movie.
37:29
But yeah, we'll see, we'll see what they end up doing.
37:30
I know Tom Holland is you know, as long as it's good, he's
37:34
willing to do another one. Yeah. And Tom Holland is a fantastic actor.
37:38
Yeah, you know, I think he's done a great job with this,
37:43
with with you know, carrying the mantle of Spider Man. Yeah.
37:45
I agree. He's got the right look, he's got the right attitude.
37:49
And so many times with these superheroes it's been you know, they'll either play
37:53
a really great clerk but suck as Superman, or they'll play you know,
37:58
a really good you know, Tony Stark, but suck as Iron Man.
38:01
Whatever it is that they sometimes have a hard time. The actor will have
38:06
a hard time playing both characters of the same guy right well, you know,
38:14
most notably in Superman movies or Superman shows, it's really difficult to play
38:17
Superman. It's really difficult to play both Calile and Clark Kent. Yeah,
38:22
using the same actor. And I think Tom Holland does an excellent job of
38:27
playing the you know, sort of teenager Peter Parker along with the sort of
38:35
sarcastic quippie Spider Man. Yeah, and I think that's something we don't see
38:40
often enough. Yeah, Chessmas eve And said she fired her agents after this,
38:44
Yeah, after the trailer. Yeah, that's what happened. Man,
38:49
it's pretty rough. One of these is the same agents that got her the
38:52
fifty Shades gig. Oh, I don't know, maybe, I mean yeah,
38:58
yeah, well, and I'm wondering too, Like I know that they
39:02
have said that they they're going to do massive reshoots for Craven. Oh okay,
39:09
and that makes me wonder, like how bad was Craven? So this
39:13
is going to have a domino effect. Yeah, I know very little about
39:19
Craven. I've read a little bit. I'm like wiki, but yeah,
39:22
yeah, it's we'll see, we'll see. Did you see Morebius? Yeah?
39:27
I did? Okay, Yeah, any good? Should I watch it?
39:30
Should I leave it alone? I mean, if you're sick one day
39:34
and you're high on cold meds then yeah, sure, okay, yeah,
39:38
let me write that down morbius if I'm sick and Hi'm Ike will got it?
39:44
Yeah, yeah, that's perfect time to watch that one. Yeah done.
39:49
Yeah, all right, well let's get to our listener feedback because right,
39:55
yeah, all right listener feedback. Okay, yes, so I did
40:07
put in Instagram and all our social media's the current kind of things circling around
40:14
paramounts, which is what do we think is more likely going to happen that
40:19
they get sold or partnered up with somebody, that a new Star Trek and
40:22
Star Trek four comes out, or are we going to get Star Trek legacy?
40:29
And overwhelmingly everyone seems to think they're going to get sold or bought out
40:35
or partnered with and then from there, whatever's going to happen with Star Trek
40:39
will happen if you gave the fans what they want, which is Star Trek
40:45
legacy, which is the only thing they've really been asking for. Yeah,
40:51
and it's funny like if you read across all the social media is like the
40:53
amount of people are like, we want legacy, but we know they're not
40:57
going to do it. Yeah, so yeah, it's kind of wild,
41:04
like we're already beaten into like that they're not going to listen to us.
41:07
Yeah, which is sad. Yeah, it's a really sad state. We
41:12
got Chazz was on the line, so let me bring him in there.
41:15
He is bring out the jazz biz. Yeah, yeah, Hello, what'd
41:21
you think of Madam Webb? I haven't seen it. I don't want my
41:23
don't need to. Well, I don't want my wife. She divorced me.
41:27
Okay, yeah that's fair, because that's fair. I drug her to
41:31
that. She would probably kill me. Oh it's bad, man. It'd
41:36
be one of those movies that she walks out of the theater and then grabs
41:39
her phone and then sits in the front and just plays on her phone the
41:43
whole time. Oh yeah, yeah, I'll take it out. Yeah.
41:47
It's just done that to several movies, Like if there's nobody there, she'll
41:51
make sure nobody's you know, then she'll just play on her phone. So
41:55
nice not to distract or anything. But there's been the bad movies that I've
42:00
seen that I almost walked out on, and I think Sooahan was the one
42:07
movie that Adam sandlinghan that's there's something about this hand Yep. Yeah, oh
42:15
it was so bad. Yeah, it was so bad. I never thought
42:22
but I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yes, have you listened
42:27
to this entire podcast? Yes, I'll listen to the whole thing. I'm
42:30
sorry, Yeah, that's you know, there was a spoiler warning. I
42:35
mean, yeah, I mentioned some key character deaths and you know, stuff
42:38
like that. I don't at all. No, I don't think I cared.
42:45
Yeah, it's well, Sony has to retain those rights, to keep
42:51
these you know, this part of Marvel attached to them a Spider Man movie
42:57
every five years. But I mean they just didn't into the Spider last You
43:00
remember they were supposed to do Senator or Sinister six or whatever. Yeah,
43:05
and then they were gonna do like a May Spy movie. Yes, we'll
43:09
keep on coming up with all these bad yeah. Yeah, and they make
43:15
Madam Webb and that could have made Madam Web really cool. But it sounds
43:19
like they just didn't choose to. Madam Webb would have been a good part
43:23
of if they did a a a Spider versus live action. She would have
43:29
been a good side character in that she's not strong enough to be her own
43:32
movie. Now, if they had did a Spider Woman movie that would have
43:37
been cool. Yeah. Well, I think it's funny that Sidney Sweeney and
43:42
Dakota Johnson both thought they're going to be attached to the Marvel universe and then
43:46
they find out. Yeah see, I thought, you know how, I
43:53
feel like a Birds of Prey situation where Adam Web because I don't know anything
44:00
about Madam Webb and the comic books. But at the end of the movie,
44:05
the flash forward scene is she's in a wheelchair and and she's blind.
44:12
So apparently when she golle into the river she got she was lost her legs
44:17
to or was parallel. Yeah, they didn't really touch on that, but
44:22
I sort of saw that as a as like a Birds of Prey situation where
44:28
you know, she could be the leader the uh do you remember the old
44:31
Birds of Prey from two thousand and three? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
44:35
and they've done a ton of comic books, right right. I thought a
44:38
situation like that where Madam Web was the what's the character from Birds of Prey
44:45
that oracle thank you? Where she was the oracle type character and the rest
44:50
of them were, you know, like the Birds of Prey. Oh for
44:52
sure, that's what they were going for. Yeah, that's what they wanted
44:55
you to get the idea of. But I think they I think part of
45:00
the problem is they feel the need to do these set up movies where we
45:05
have to let you know where all these characters came from. And I think
45:07
we would have been perfectly fine if the opening scene was everybody's already got their
45:13
powers, they're already established. It's fine. Yeah, I think so we're
45:17
at that point now. Yes, yeah, I understand why iron Man had
45:22
to do it, because we weren't ready to just see some billionaire in a
45:28
suit. We needed a little bit, we needed our handheld a little bit
45:30
in that kind of thing. Well, it's it's right. Those first three
45:35
films, right, yeah, iron Man, Yeah, Coves in America and
45:37
the word you kind of had to see their origin, right, And then
45:44
when they put them all together, it was awesome because now a Hulk,
45:49
he was, you know, the Edward Norton Hulk, he was already Hulk,
45:52
right, so you never got to see him like with a gamma radiation
45:57
turning into the Hulk that he was just already a stab and then right,
46:01
you know, I think the producers think that having an already established superhero,
46:07
especially one that's not well known, is too big of a leap for most
46:14
audiences. And I just don't think that's the case anymore. I mean,
46:16
if you tell me that, you know, if you give me a basic
46:20
background, like Okay, this person did this and that's why they're that.
46:23
Like I'm talking thirty seconds of dialogue, I can I can that that suspension
46:30
of disbelief is that's fine? Yeah, you know for audiences nowadays, right,
46:35
I think it's fine. You don't need a story for every character,
46:38
right, right, they don't need some dirt gretty. Well, it's kind
46:43
of like they reboot Spider Man, or that they reboot all these others.
46:46
You kind of don't need the origin story, right, So we've seen We've
46:51
seen Batman, We've seen Superman. We've seen everybody's origin story over and over
46:55
and over again. Yeah. I did like the reverse of the old Spider
47:04
Man mantra. The person that was sort of counseling Madam Webb said oh yeah,
47:08
akon the responsibility, then you'll get the power like that. Yeah,
47:15
it was like, what the hell is that? Yeah? I like,
47:19
I liked it, and I liked it for the reason like they're trying to
47:22
be you know, it was an obvious reference. M but yeah, it's
47:29
it's pretty rough man. Yeah, but you know it's over now we can
47:34
we can hopefully move on. You're not gonna buy the Blu ray watch all
47:39
the special features. I'm okay. If this never hits streaming and it's just
47:44
forgotten about, it's fine. Don't you want to watch it like two or
47:47
three more times so you can like really, you know, dig deep and
47:51
tear it apart. No, so personally, no, I don't at all
47:55
what they need. I don't know. It's just like that batgirl maybe had
48:00
to be so bad to shelve it. I don't know if it was worse
48:02
than this man, I don't see him good. I mean, it had
48:05
to be so bad, like somebody I don't know walked in there and it's
48:09
like nope, Well there's reports that like they're they're gonna show that Acme and
48:15
coyote, and the reports are he's never even seen it. He's just gonna
48:19
shelve it. Yeah, I don't know what it's screen act versus coyote or
48:23
coyote versus Acne. Yeah, it's like the Wiley coyote versus the corporation for
48:30
all the faulty equipment that they sold. Okay, we kept on pulling them
48:34
up. Yeah, but I heard I thought you were talking about like at
48:40
first, I thought you were talking about like a moot, like a live
48:43
action movie that was coming out. Yeah it is what Yeah? So yes,
48:49
so are Warner Brothers has shot a live action a Coyote versus Acme film.
48:55
It's gotten John seen in it and a bunch of other actors. It's
49:00
like, it is shot, it is done. They were going to shelve
49:02
it for tax purposes, I think like thirty million dollars in tax credits,
49:07
and then public outcry was like no, no, no, this thing is
49:10
supposed to be great because apparently people who have seen it says it's actually really
49:14
good. So then they tried to sell it to like Netflix or Amazon or
49:19
whatever, and they didn't get their magic asking price that they wanted, which
49:24
who knows what it was. So they're just they're just going to delete it
49:30
and get rid of it. Okay, I'm trying to digest now. Okay,
49:36
live action does that mean like who framed Roger Rabbit live action? Like
49:42
that? Yeah? Okay, it's people and not some guy, not some
49:46
guy in a Wiley coyote outfit or yeah, certainly say yeah, Jodd Stop
49:52
plays the Wiley Yeah c G. I boto realistic version that coyote. Oh
50:01
you said, Jim Henson made the costume, you know, comp Well that's
50:05
why you saw this. Confused look out my face because I hadn't read about
50:08
this, Like what, Yeah, it's kind of like the Sonic movie,
50:14
Like did you see that? Here's the one screenshot we have from the film.
50:16
Yeah. So okay, Well, fortunately you said did you see the
50:23
Sonic movie? Now I have the exact same things to say about the Sonic
50:29
movie, the first one that Daniel had to say about this movie. Okay,
50:35
I did hate the Sonic Movie. Okay, I couldn't stand it.
50:38
I thought it was horrible. I hated the premise. I hated the acting.
50:42
I hated the c G. I I hated the lighting, I hated
50:45
the special effects. I hated everything. I hated the editing. There was
50:51
nothing about the movie that I like even a little so other than from Parks
50:55
of Wreck because Sonic, you know, yeah, other than that, who
50:59
was Sonic? The guy that plays as he's his buddy on Parks and Red
51:04
yeah, John or whatever his name is. Oh yeah, yeah, okay,
51:09
yeah, yeah, okay. I I like the Sonic films. But
51:15
I watched it with my nephews when they were like six and eight years old,
51:20
and those little boys like that was catn it for them, right,
51:22
They just loved that movie. So as an uncle, I had a blast
51:27
watching them get so excited about this. I actually watched that. I actually
51:30
liked that movie, which is stupid. I like the first one. The
51:32
second one I wasn't a big fan of. Hey, I think it's next.
51:37
Paramoun's gonna have your Knuckles show. Yeah, and you know, I
51:42
like knuckles on there. I just the second one wasn't didn't have quick that's
51:45
so excited for knuckles. Oh yeah, you know what you know right up
51:52
there that Halo somebody has a ticker for the some YouTube channel, some fanboy
51:59
out there has a Oh there are people people are very excited about the Knuckle
52:01
Show. So yeah, yeah. So do you think since Paramount is going
52:07
to merge, do you think they're going to start cutting things? Because there
52:10
we have man they cut like I think it's five hundred people. Yeah,
52:15
but I'm talking about shows, like what are they gonna do because Star Trek
52:20
has all these future projects planned and this is scary. Well, I mean
52:24
they're they're already shooting section thirty one right now, and that's just gonna be
52:30
like a movie, right yeah, TV movie, TV movie. Yeah,
52:36
so that that'll be done, there's no marg that'll be a precedent, made
52:38
for cheap, made for streaming Star Trek movie. Yeah. I think that'll
52:43
be pretty cool. I like that press yeah, like something like we'll have
52:45
to have a special treck cast episode for that, yeah, for sure,
52:52
shot right now or we'll be starting soon. So do World season three?
52:58
Yeah? So and I imagine yeah, you know, Lower Deck's coming back.
53:04
So Lower Decks is coming back. We still have that Prody season two
53:07
is hanging out there somewhere. What about the Starfleet Academy. Have they mentioned
53:15
anything about that they're working on it? What's her name going to be attached
53:23
to? Johnny Newsome is one of the writers, and she keeps talking about
53:29
how great it is. So is it going to take place in the future?
53:32
Is it going to take place We don't know anything. Rather in the
53:38
next gen phase. Not everybody wants it to be in the next Yeah,
53:43
I don't. We saw the episode with Tilly being the teacher, and it
53:47
just I don't know, Yeah, it very well could be said in that
53:52
future miss that future. I just don't like that future because it's so bleak
53:57
and startfully and it's just everything it's just right. Yeah they did thirty Yeah.
54:05
Yeah, it's like everything is like broken over here, and it's it's
54:09
kind of sad. It's like I was hoping the year three thousand it had
54:13
been pretty cool. It's kind of like on The Enterprise you had the Temporal
54:16
Cold War and you got to see was it the one episode with the was
54:21
it the Enterprise like j J? Yeah, it was alpha bit so I
54:28
forget how far it was in the future. You got to see a peak
54:30
of it, and I was like, oh, that's pretty cool. So
54:36
and I'd say, now that might have been a cool timeline to go to.
54:39
Is the temporal Cold War? I forgot what year they said that took
54:44
place in, but the fact that it was I'm almost certain it was the
54:47
Enterprise Jay. The fact that it was so far in the future, it
54:52
only it leaves a very long span of time for there to be an Enterprise.
55:02
We're on Enterprise g right, yeah, h and I. There would
55:07
be hundreds of years for there just to be an H and an I pilot
55:14
the ship. Get that well quick, Well we don't know if they've gone
55:21
through all the letters and we came back around. Yeah, oh that,
55:24
yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah, it could have been the
55:29
yeah a J or the Zeta or anything like that. Never thought about that,
55:37
but yeah, Deanna is always waiting for Will to say those three little
55:42
words, take the helm, to take the helm. Awesome. Well,
55:47
anything else you want to bring up, chest biz, that's all all right.
55:52
So what's one bad movie you guys gonna make us see this week?
55:55
Oh? Man, I got bad, Hey, I got a batter movie
56:00
comes out? It's today and tomorrow only the original nineteen eighty four Dune.
56:08
Okay, Dune. Yeah, we saw a preview for Dune two for the
56:15
UH at the beginning of it looked interesting. I know pat in nineteen eighty
56:22
four Dune, yeah, okay, And I didn't see the first one.
56:27
They had the first one to play last week. So that's what I saw
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in the theater last week. Not impact was the original you know, Dune
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part one not eighty four. But yeah, how part one? Is that
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worth to watch. Yeah, it's pretty good. It's on Netflix right now.
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It's you know, gonna leave Netflix this month, so watch it because
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you know they connect. Yeah, okay, And then they had the preview
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of Dune two at the very end of the movie, and June two will
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probably be a supplemental So that's yeah. I'm a big d I've watched Dune,
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read the books, and big time Dune fan. And have you seen
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the Dune popcorn bucket? Yes? Everyone is talking about this thing? Yep,
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yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you seen the Dune toy from nineteen
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eighty four? They got pulled from shelves because it looked like something. No,
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no, google the Dune worm toy. No, I'm afraid of this.
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I had the toy and the popcorn bucket and no I don't. I
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don't know, man. Yeah, all right, well thanks for being on
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chest is always just okay. Well, by watching Assignment for this week,
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I think I'm gonna sit down, sit the family down, and watch Dune
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the area do number one, not the one really, watch the one from
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eighty four. Like I said, I know nothing about Doom. Yeah,
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so you'll definitely see like, oh, that's kind of like Star Wars.
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Oh that's kind of like this. That's kind of because they all pulled from
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that. So okay, yeah, man, well cool, we'll figure out
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for next week and we'll let Dan dow and and we'll go from there.
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But okay, I think that's that's pretty much it for this awful film.
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So absolutely it's about all the social media's and can you put the number up
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again? And there you go, there's a medias the phone number. There's
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always people can call us five seven zero sixty six one zero zero zero one.
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Yeah, we got to get some some voicemails, so go ahead and
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and uh call that. Yeah, great, we'll play it on the air
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