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Kiss The Machine The New Album From Puddle Of Mudd Wes Scantlin Breaks It Down · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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Speaker 1: Hello and good morning everybody. How's everybody doing today?
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Speaker 2: Heed? What's up? Swesleero, Wes?
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Speaker 1: How are you doing today?
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Speaker 2: Man?
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't wait to talk with you
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Speaker 1: about this full entire album that you're about ready to
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Speaker 1: release to the world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you man, thanks for having me.
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Speaker 1: Well, you've done something on this and I would love
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Speaker 1: to know what kind of steps that you discovered while
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Speaker 1: putting together you know, kiss the machine because I'm hearing
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Speaker 1: newer things on it, but it pulls me in even closer.
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Speaker 1: I'm go, damn, how did he find that key to
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Speaker 1: my heart? Because you definitely have found something here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just uh, you know, determination and perseverance and you know,
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Speaker 2: to sit down and write songs, man, so they change
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Speaker 2: and you know there's you know, they just come out
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Speaker 2: the way they come out, man, But do you grow
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Speaker 2: as a as a writer? You know, that's basically what
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Speaker 2: it is.
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Speaker 1: Does that put you in a position of that no
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Speaker 1: matter where you are, if that song idea comes to you,
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Speaker 1: you've got to either get it into that smartphone or
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Speaker 1: you've got you've got to do something immediately because it'll
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Speaker 1: go away just as fast as it arrived.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I had an I have an an
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Speaker 2: iPhone and some earbuds and you know, a big chief
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Speaker 2: sheep and this paper and pencil and yeah, and then
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Speaker 2: just going to a garage band. A lot of that,
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Speaker 2: A lot of the songs were done on garage band.
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Speaker 1: See, I love that. And right away you took me
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Speaker 1: back when you say garage band, I realize I know
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Speaker 1: the digital program. But at the same time, I do
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Speaker 1: feel that essence of something very special like a garage
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Speaker 1: band in a song free because of the way that
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Speaker 1: you start off with that acoustic build up and I'm going,
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Speaker 1: my god, that's where it all begins. When you've got
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Speaker 1: to build up like that, and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: everybody comes into that song bringing their you know, their
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Speaker 1: their interpretation of it and you with those vocals. It
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Speaker 1: just it's it's powerful that song. Free.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that song, man, It's it's my favorite
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Speaker 2: because it's really really easy to sing. Man, it's not
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Speaker 2: like a screamer.
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Speaker 1: Well is it? Because you've lived it? Because you know,
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Speaker 1: free from you, free, free from me, free from the
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Speaker 1: crazy addiction and then you, I swear to God, I
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Speaker 1: even hear you say affliction as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And everybody goes through a bunch of crazy shit, man,
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Speaker 2: growing up. Well, I certainly have. And yeah, man, you
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Speaker 2: gotta kind of like fight your demons and you know, hey, man,
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Speaker 2: I've made it to the other side, and I'm a
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Speaker 2: heck man. I don't even know many how many lives
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Speaker 2: I have?
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Speaker 1: Man, Well, I'm grateful for each one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to burn anymore of them though.
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Speaker 1: Coming up with the album cover, this is one of
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Speaker 1: those that is so iconic. When was the last time
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Speaker 1: that we really had an album cover that we want
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Speaker 1: as a poster or we want something where it's going
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Speaker 1: to be with us at all times, Because you do
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Speaker 1: something with this with the black and white coloring as
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Speaker 1: well as the Gumball Machine being kissed. I swear to god,
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Speaker 1: I've been one of those people that have kissed the
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Speaker 1: Gumball machine. I'm not alone, and obviously neither is this person.
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Speaker 2: Yeah that was a great artist, man, the guy. I
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Speaker 2: don't know who invented the cover, but when I saw it,
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Speaker 2: I was like, God, I didn't even think of that, man,
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Speaker 2: So I was like laughing, like, Okay, a little girl
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Speaker 2: kissing a gumball machine. Man, that was pretty cool.
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Speaker 1: Do you find yourself putting this on the merchant the
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Speaker 1: way of t shirts and other things, because you know
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Speaker 1: when people go to the live shows they want to
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Speaker 1: take something home.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna that's a great idea, man, Thanks for
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Speaker 2: thanks for saying that, because yeah, we'll make some kiss
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Speaker 2: the Machine shirts and uh put the tour and eighths
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Speaker 2: on the back and yes and uh yeah, So we
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Speaker 2: signed I've been signing some some posters and stuff to
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Speaker 2: have the little girl on the front with a puddle
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Speaker 2: of Mudd logo. So, and they actually all sold. We
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Speaker 2: sold them all out at the m Resort last Saturday.
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Speaker 1: I'm not shocked. I'm not shocked because all of them.
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Speaker 1: You you've got something going on. Here, dude, and this
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Speaker 1: is this. I mean as as you even put in there,
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Speaker 1: you know there's something about this album that offers clarity,
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Speaker 1: but there's emotional honesty. And I swear to God that's
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Speaker 1: what we're tapping into, is that we feel it and
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Speaker 1: we're experiencing it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, I had fun doing it with Eric Colvin,
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Speaker 2: and he's a great he's a great guy man, great producer,
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Speaker 2: cret engineer. And most of it I did on the
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Speaker 2: I did it on the Garage Fan and he just
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Speaker 2: downloaded all this stuff off the iPhone and and then
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Speaker 2: he you know, it really actually does shock a lot
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Speaker 2: of producers and engineers about the Garage Band. And it's
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Speaker 2: like it's came a long way. Man, it's really simple
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Speaker 2: to use. Yes, and it is like endless, dude. I
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Speaker 2: mean I was just sitting there and when I get
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Speaker 2: into it, man, and it'd be like eight o'clock at night,
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Speaker 2: and then the next thing, you know, it's like eight
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Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning. Like it's like endless and endless,
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Speaker 2: and you just keep going and keep going. But at
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Speaker 2: some point or another, man, you gotta heat. You know
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Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, I totally get that, and you know case,
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Speaker 1: I want to open up with you in the way
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Speaker 1: of my My last two came from Adobe audition, which
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Speaker 1: is like garage band. And the thing is, though to
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Speaker 1: me it helped out engineers like Greg in the way that, oh,
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Speaker 1: I see what you're doing. It's not just sitting here
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Speaker 1: playing the instrument. You actually built it on garage band.
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Speaker 1: Let them hear it, and then all of a sudden
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Speaker 1: it gives them that acetate of sorts or an idea
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Speaker 1: of Hey, this is where I want to grow with this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you got earbuds in, it's the earbuds
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Speaker 2: actually make it. You have to have the air conditioner off,
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Speaker 2: you have to have everything off so there's no bleed,
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Speaker 2: and you just put your earbuds in and I can,
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Speaker 2: I can. I recorded guitar actually acoustic guitar and electric
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Speaker 2: guitar on the garage band with the earbuds sitting on
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Speaker 2: a sitting on a couch in front of a TV
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Speaker 2: on mute nice, shut the AC down and then just
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Speaker 2: go for it. And that's seriously how I did this.
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Speaker 2: Last record Man was on garage band.
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Speaker 1: Well, isn't it, Because it's about texture West in the
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Speaker 1: way that we want to be taken somewhere. And if
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Speaker 1: we feel like that, you're in in an atmosphere that
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Speaker 1: we're used to, we feel it too. We may not
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Speaker 1: be there, but we feel it in the music.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, then you gotta feel it, man. And I definitely
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Speaker 2: beat the heck out of having two cassette empty cassette
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Speaker 2: decks on a karaoke machine. That's how That's how I
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Speaker 2: used to do it, because that's how broke, how broke
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Speaker 2: I was. And I heard that Dave Droll actually did
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Speaker 2: the same thing, man, because he was so broke, he
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Speaker 2: actually did the exact same thing on a karaoke machine
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Speaker 2: with two with two cassettes.
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Speaker 1: I love it see that, And that's where I love
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Speaker 1: where we are with music. It's it's almost like that
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Speaker 1: we are smarter and better players than what they were
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Speaker 1: back in the fifties and sixties, but we're also still
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Speaker 1: playing by those grassroots of how to bring music out
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Speaker 1: and you can't stop it. It's going to come out.
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Speaker 1: Just go with the flow and figure it out.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly it, man. You nailed it that. You just
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Speaker 2: gotta you gotta sit down and just do it. Man.
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Speaker 1: So when you got a song like maniac. And I'm
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Speaker 1: going to tell you why I got really super close
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Speaker 1: to this because it feels like a day the life
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Speaker 1: of you. And I really feel like that you were
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Speaker 1: giving us a backstage pass and for you to be
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Speaker 1: on that cboard with no people around you, Oh my god.
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Speaker 1: We all really would love to experience something like that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was fun, man. I Like I said,
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Speaker 2: I was just sitting there in front of the in
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Speaker 2: front of my little flat screen TV and that was
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Speaker 2: on the History Channel about that guy. Yeah, and then
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Speaker 2: I just I watched the program and then and then
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Speaker 2: I was like, all right, I'm gonna write a song
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Speaker 2: about about the Son of Sam and it. One of
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Speaker 2: my buddies was like, no, man, you shouldn't. You shouldn't
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Speaker 2: write about that. And that's like, I'm gonna do it anyway.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, and everybody's a little bit of a maniac
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Speaker 2: every once in a while.
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Speaker 1: But see what what's really cool about this, Wes, is
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Speaker 1: that I've been doing a lot of research on this,
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Speaker 1: and you know, everybody's gonna look at the dark side
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Speaker 1: of the sun of Sam. But when you start writing
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Speaker 1: music and stories around something like that, they call that lore.
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Speaker 1: You know, like folklore and and maybe that's connection here
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Speaker 1: is that there's a bit of folklore with something that
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Speaker 1: many of us don't even know the real story. We
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Speaker 1: just assumed that we know the story.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, or you could just be the son of a
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Speaker 2: guy named Sam.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Beutymus is a great song. I love the hook
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Speaker 1: on this song. Did that come first or did you
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Speaker 1: have to build up to that hook because this the
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Speaker 1: hook of the song really comes in at the right
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Speaker 1: place in the right time here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that started off with a guitar riff on
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Speaker 2: the electric with a with a Messa boogie and a
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Speaker 2: Marshall half stack. Really, that's exactly how I wrote that one.
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Speaker 2: And I had like, I had my my earbuds in
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Speaker 2: and I recorded the guitars. I actually recorded with Eric
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Speaker 2: the actual guitars, but I did everything underage man, and
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Speaker 2: that riff came from I got to ride on an
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Speaker 2: electric guitar, man, So that came from electric with an
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Speaker 2: amp just blasting, And that's how I come up with
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Speaker 2: that riff.
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Speaker 1: Please do not Move. We've got more with Wes Scantlin
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Speaker 1: from Puddle of Mud coming up next. The name of
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Speaker 1: the new album is Kiss the Machine, and from it
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Speaker 1: comes to the song free. We are back with singer
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Speaker 1: songwriter Wes Scantlin from Puddle of Mud. You've got such
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Speaker 1: a rhythm here because when you say, you know, if
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Speaker 1: the pain don't flow, it's a no, no, no go
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Speaker 1: right away. I'm thinking of that live audience they're going
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Speaker 1: to be singing this song because you do give us
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Speaker 1: those double words where people go no no no grow
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Speaker 1: no no no go. I mean, I love the rhythm
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Speaker 1: of that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a little thing about writing, and I heard
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Speaker 2: this from a lot of people, a lot of people.
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Speaker 2: If you if you kind of stutter a lot of
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Speaker 2: songs that where you stutter when you're doing the vocals,
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Speaker 2: it's kind of like mamor well not, you know, like
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Speaker 2: that's yep. They all do really really well and they
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Speaker 2: get played for a long time. So I kind of
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Speaker 2: used that little trick as a writer to do a
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Speaker 2: little do a little stuttering and stuff like that. It's
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Speaker 2: kind of nice.
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Speaker 1: Well, it feels like that you're one of us sitting
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Speaker 1: in a car or sitting at home, and we want
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Speaker 1: that song that we can kind of hum along with.
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Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, when you have a
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Speaker 1: song like Beauty Miss, then then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: we're hooked to it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Plus I was going through what was going out
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Speaker 2: with this hick and she just she just like my
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Speaker 2: little beautiful disaster. Man. I couldn't never, I couldn't. I
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Speaker 2: don't know what it was, but I could not cheer
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Speaker 2: her up. Man. I could not change how you might
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Speaker 2: have depression or something. Man, So that I had to
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Speaker 2: I got I get the hell out of that situation.
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Speaker 2: Then I'm like, you're never gonna freaking ever be happy, man,
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Speaker 2: Like you need to maybe go to like therapy or shit.
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Speaker 2: So that was like, yeah, I wrote that.
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Speaker 1: About that Shiit was it one of those situations because
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Speaker 1: when when you talk about the artists like you just did,
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Speaker 1: I have a disaster artist pointer dog and and I
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Speaker 1: finally said, I can't fix you, but you're gonna have
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Speaker 1: to teach me who you are and I'm gonna have
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Speaker 1: to learn from you and then and then you go
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Speaker 1: from there. But but it's like, I'm willing to listen,
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Speaker 1: and it sounds like you were willing to listen as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a lot of patients, man, Believe me.
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Speaker 2: My manager told me that she's sitting right here with me.
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Speaker 2: Barbara is.
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Speaker 1: When you have a song like Firefly, and I mean
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Speaker 1: when you're using words like God has spoken, I know
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Speaker 1: it's taken a little time. That really brings in the
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Speaker 1: listener because I mean, even with the video itself, with
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Speaker 1: all the fire when they when you take the mind's
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Speaker 1: eye off from what's in the video and you start
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Speaker 1: listening to your lyrics, it's like, oh my god, you
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Speaker 1: know you are right here on the same level we are.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was that that song is for a bunch
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Speaker 2: of fallen soldiers man like Laye Staley and stuff. And
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Speaker 2: I just like the echo part. That's my Pink Floyd
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Speaker 2: moment right there. I love doing because I like delay
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Speaker 2: and echo Anyway, even Fred Durst uses it all the
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Speaker 2: time on stage. Why every single time you can hear it.
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Speaker 2: But he's an amazing little writer too. Man, that guy's insane.
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Speaker 2: He's insane awesome and I love him forever.
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Speaker 1: Well. We love Fred so much because he's from Gastonia,
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Speaker 1: which is just right up the road here. So anything
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Speaker 1: with his name on it, we're going up. That's one
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Speaker 1: of ours. We have to take care of him like Duke,
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Speaker 1: and we have to take care of him like Carolina.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a great guy. Man, and he rescued me
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Speaker 2: and he blew me up. Man. You know, amazing, amazing.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't believe him. Man.
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Speaker 1: And yet in every one of your videos, with the
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Speaker 1: eye to eye contact that you make when you look
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Speaker 1: up at that camera when you're singing that song, my god,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like that you're sitting in a studio.
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Speaker 1: It feels like you're sitting right where we are. How
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Speaker 1: did you master that art?
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Speaker 2: It was a combination of a bunch of nice people,
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Speaker 2: you know, and I've just been I've been writing since
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Speaker 2: I was ten years old. So you get pretty good
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Speaker 2: at it, man, and and you get you need a
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Speaker 2: lot of help along the way. And I've certainly had
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Speaker 2: a lot of help from a lot of great people
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Speaker 2: in my career. And it's just it's really fun. It's
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Speaker 2: it's challenging, and I just love doing it. I'm taken
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Speaker 2: a little break right now, but I'll get back into
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Speaker 2: it and kick out some more jams.
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Speaker 1: Man, How did they come to you? Do you physically
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Speaker 1: have to go through the regret, the rebellion and the
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Speaker 1: heartbreak to make it happen or is it something where
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Speaker 1: you just go you know what, I remember those moments.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to pull from it and I'm going to
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Speaker 1: learn from it as I write it, because it almost
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Speaker 1: feels like that you're learning as you as you as
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Speaker 1: you release the new music.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I I look at it kind of like, you know,
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Speaker 2: you're you're you're going you're making it for your own treatment,
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Speaker 2: like it actually helps you, you know, be better, be
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Speaker 2: a better person and stuff, and uh yeah, man, songwriting
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Speaker 2: is very very therapeutic. Man.
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Speaker 1: Were you thinking summertime when you did the song? Win,
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Speaker 1: Win Win? Because I feel like this is going to
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Speaker 1: be a summer time hit, mainly because people can sing
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Speaker 1: right along with you and it's got that happy little
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Speaker 1: vibe about it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I've taken a lot of little trips to like
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Speaker 2: Joshua Tree and Yosemite. Yosemite beautiful, Joshua Tree is beautiful
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Speaker 2: And I'm just cruising over there in the car and
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Speaker 2: is cranking that one up. That's a really really good,
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Speaker 2: uh like vacation kind of song where you're just cruising
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Speaker 2: down the road to your family and yeah, that's that's
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Speaker 2: basically how I wrote that one. So a great song though.
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Speaker 2: That's we're definitely going to release that one too.
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Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, it's like I said, it's going to be
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Speaker 1: a summer song because it's one of those where people
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Speaker 1: can really make it a part of what they're doing.
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Speaker 1: And I love the idea that you're listening to the
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Speaker 1: song while you're driving, because that's where real people are.
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Speaker 1: Earbuds are very close. But man, when you got it
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Speaker 1: cranked with that base in the car, my god.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just crank it up, man, turn it up big time. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: listening to your loud music persing down the pH or
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Speaker 2: any highway or road, maybe a dirt road, maybe a
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Speaker 2: gravel road, but uh, in your truck or wherever the
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Speaker 2: heck kind of car you got, man, just turn that up,
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Speaker 2: and you know, roll down the windows and feel the
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Speaker 2: breeze and in your hair and uh, you know, the
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Speaker 2: sun shining on your face, the moon shineing on your
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Speaker 2: on your on your face too, or whatever it is. Man. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: those kind of songs are really really cool.
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Speaker 1: When you're talking about the Pacific Coast Highway right away,
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Speaker 1: I'm taking into sure we we had a great time
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Speaker 1: in car Mail, but I'll tell you where I was
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Speaker 1: blown away was when we got when the highway took
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Speaker 1: us into the farm fields of California. Are you in Spight?
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Speaker 1: Isn't that the most amazing thing? It's like, this is
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Speaker 1: where it begins.
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Speaker 2: This is an origin, like all the flowers and stuff
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Speaker 2: in Bakersfield. Man, yes, going down Did you ever see that?
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Speaker 2: Because that is awesome?
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Speaker 1: Man?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, dude, I just actually I think it was
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Speaker 2: about maybe a month ago. Man, I was cruising down
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Speaker 2: to Baker's Field. I think we were going to see
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Speaker 2: the food Fighters play this secret show and the flowers
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Speaker 2: were blooming, man, and I'd never seen that, and I
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Speaker 2: was like, that's a great idea, Like who thought of that?
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Speaker 2: And they're making more of them? So yeah, amazing.
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Speaker 1: Is that part of the reason behind you the song Everything?
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Speaker 1: Because that to me is a highway song. It's almost
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Speaker 1: like it is controlling the steering wheel and just let go,
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Speaker 1: you know, like an electric car and just let this
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Speaker 1: let this car do it's thing because those guitars are
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Speaker 1: pushing me past that speed limit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that song Everything is Jimmy Allen, who I've been
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Speaker 2: writing songs with for a long long time since day one.
18:00
Speaker 2: He was the original guitar player. And yeah, he had
18:04
Speaker 2: called me and he's like, man, that song is awesome, dude.
18:07
Speaker 2: So whatever Jimmy says, like, that's great, I'm like cool.
18:11
Speaker 2: So I did a pretty good job right there.
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Speaker 1: What is the ambition? The goal is it to get
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Speaker 1: on Spotify the list? Is it still to get onto
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Speaker 1: the radio the fam dial? Because I really want to
18:22
Speaker 1: help push this forward because people need to know about
18:24
Speaker 1: Kiss the Machine and they also need to know about
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Speaker 1: this song free.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just you know, go to uh, what is it,
18:33
Speaker 2: Puddle of mud dot com? Yep, yeah, they're a Puddle
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Speaker 2: of Mud dot com. And I'll have a Spotify question
18:38
Speaker 2: and then yeah, man, it'll be on there, right, Yeah,
18:42
Speaker 2: it'll be on everything, dude.
18:43
Speaker 1: So yeah, because that's what I do. I'm big into
18:45
Speaker 1: Alexa and so when I put up your name, oh
18:48
Speaker 1: my god, FM radio doesn't give me the deep cuts
18:51
Speaker 1: at this. This does. And booy I'll tell you what.
18:54
Speaker 1: When we get to experience the full artist, oh my god,
18:57
Speaker 1: it is unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's great, man. I'man you know, in
19:04
Speaker 2: the beginning, I didn't like the Internet very much because
19:07
Speaker 2: it was slow, and now it's very educational. You can
19:13
Speaker 2: skip like the crazy weird stuff, you know, So you
19:16
Speaker 2: got a little bit of control, and I just I
19:20
Speaker 2: just use it for the technology of you know, writing
19:23
Speaker 2: or recording and stuff like that, just like everybody else.
19:26
Speaker 2: And it makes it a lot simpler. So I like
19:29
Speaker 2: the Internet now, but I didn't like it because it
19:31
Speaker 2: was slow before. So yeah, and it's good to be
19:34
Speaker 2: able to promote all your stuff and release all your
19:36
Speaker 2: stuff through It's like automatic man, so everybody in the
19:39
Speaker 2: world can can get it all at the same time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's almost like when people say, so where are
19:46
Speaker 1: you at? Where can I find you? The question is
19:48
Speaker 1: where can't you find me? And that's what I love
19:50
Speaker 1: about what you're doing with puddle of mud. You guys
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Speaker 1: are everywhere and I love that that no matter where
19:55
Speaker 1: I go on the digital devices, I can find you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know who invented that, but very very
20:03
Speaker 2: smart people.
20:05
Speaker 1: It was some dude by the name of Scantlon. He's
20:07
Speaker 1: out of California. West Scanlon, you might know him. He's
20:09
Speaker 1: he's the one that invented every bit of this. He
20:11
Speaker 1: started the whole act, is what it is.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, West Scantlin invented the Internet.
20:20
Speaker 1: Are you going to hit the road? Are we going
20:21
Speaker 1: to see you here? In Carolina? Are you going all
20:23
Speaker 1: over the place?
20:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, I got my my manager, Barbara pap George
20:29
Speaker 2: sitting here with me. She does everything, she's she's like
20:32
Speaker 2: my accountant and everything. Man. So she's the shark shark
20:37
Speaker 2: at Man. I just told her the Shark Tank. I
20:40
Speaker 2: love that. I love that show. So she does a
20:43
Speaker 2: little shark hit Shark at Tank, you know, and she's
20:46
Speaker 2: really really good at it and she's a very nice
20:49
Speaker 2: kind person. And uh yeah, so everything's going really good
20:54
Speaker 2: with the Papa George H manning the ship.
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Speaker 1: Do you ever find yourself breaking down the music like
21:01
Speaker 1: they do on Shark Tank? And you have to think
21:04
Speaker 1: about who your consumer is and what you're going to
21:06
Speaker 1: do to super serve them so they can keep coming back.
21:08
Speaker 1: I mean when you talk about Shark Tank, now we
21:10
Speaker 1: got to talk about re you know, just keep giving
21:12
Speaker 1: them something, keep giving them something so that they become
21:15
Speaker 1: you know, a major part of your plan.
21:18
Speaker 2: Yeah. People like freaking love that show, man. I watch
21:21
Speaker 2: it constantly, man, and it actually it's very educational, you know,
21:26
Speaker 2: as a businessman, and you know kind of like inventor
21:30
Speaker 2: and creator and stuff like that. And you know they're
21:35
Speaker 2: they're super I mean, I know they're they got trillions
21:39
Speaker 2: of dollars and stuff, but it's really educational as a businessman.
21:42
Speaker 1: Dude, Wow, you got to come back to this show
21:45
Speaker 1: anytime in the future. Man, that door is always always
21:48
Speaker 1: going to be open for you. And by the way,
21:49
Speaker 1: I once again, I love this album. I love everything
21:52
Speaker 1: about it, the texture, the music, and it really is
21:55
Speaker 1: quite the experience.
21:57
Speaker 2: I appreciate you loving that, man, I love it too.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, man, thank you Ero. That's really nice, man,
22:03
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
22:04
Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today, okay? And give Barbara a
22:06
Speaker 1: big old' hug for me.
22:08
Speaker 2: I will so.
22:09
Speaker 1: And when you come to town, make sure she's with
22:12
Speaker 1: you so I can finally meet her. It's always through
22:14
Speaker 1: these darn emails that I always get. I say, come on,
22:17
Speaker 1: I want to hear your voice, I want to see
22:19
Speaker 1: your face.
22:20
Speaker 2: She's a very pleasant and nice person. And yeah, you'll
22:24
Speaker 2: get it. Give her a big old hug and you
22:26
Speaker 2: guys can have a chat and lap and you know
22:29
Speaker 2: she's super funny, hilarious.
22:31
Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today, okay
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Speaker 2: Sarah, Yes, sir, Man always in Forever