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Taking Back the Bible from Fundamentalists & Frauds (You Seriously Believe Jesus Said What?) with John Fugelsang · Deep Transformation

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  Welcome
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  to
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  part
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  one
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  of
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  our
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  extraordinary
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  conversation
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  with
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  John
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  Fugelsang,
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  author
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  of
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  the
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  recent
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  book
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  Separation
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  of
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  Church
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  and
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  Hate.
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  This
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  book
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  should
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  be
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  required
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  reading
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  for
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  anyone
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  interested
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  in
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  or
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  interested
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  in
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  following
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  the
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  teachings
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  of
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  Jesus
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  of
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  Nazareth.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Transformation,
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  Self,
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  Society,
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  Spirit,
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  life
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  enhancing,
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  paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists
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  with
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  I'm
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  our
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  co
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  host
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  is
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  And
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  as
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  part
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  of
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  our
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  job
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  here,
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  co
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  hosting
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  this
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  podcast,
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  John
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  and
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  I
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  get
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  to
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  read
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  really
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  good
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  books.
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  In
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  fact,
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  that's
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  why
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  we
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  often
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  select
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  our
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  guests
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  because
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  they've
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  written
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  really
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  good
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  books.
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  But
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  never,
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  never
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  since
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  the
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  podcast
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  began
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  have
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  we
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  had
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  such
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  a
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  great
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  time
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  reading
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  our
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  guest
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  book
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  as
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  this
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  one.
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  Because
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  it
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  is
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  not
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  only
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  educational
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  inform,
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  eye
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  opening,
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  it
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  is
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  hilarious.
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  And
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  that's
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  no
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  surprise
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  because
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  our
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  guest
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  is
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  John
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  Fugelsang
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  who
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  is
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  a
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  media
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  master
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  in
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  many
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  arenas.
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  He's
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  an
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  award
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  winning
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  actor,
• 1:16
  producer,
• 1:18
  interviewer,
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  he
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  has
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  his
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  own
• 1:19
  podcast
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  and
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  he
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  has
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  written
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  and
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  I
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  should
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  say
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  he
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  also,
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  he's
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  a
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  well
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  known
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  comedian
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  and
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  if
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  you
• 1:27
  want
• 1:27
  to
• 1:27
  have
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  a
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  really
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  good
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  laugh,
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  look
• 1:29
  him
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  up
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  on
• 1:30
  the
• 1:30
  web,
• 1:30
  watch
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  some
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  of
• 1:31
  the
• 1:31
  videos
• 1:31
  and
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  hopefully
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  also,
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  I'm
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  assuming
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  today
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  you
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  also
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  get
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  some
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  laughs
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  as
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  well
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  because
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  he's
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  a
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  master
• 1:38
  comedian
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  and
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  John
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  has
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  written
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  an
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  amazing
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  book
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  which
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  is
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  a
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  wonderful
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  tongue
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  twister
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  of
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  a
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  subtitle.
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  But
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  let
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  me
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  try.
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  It's
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  the
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  separation
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  of
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  church
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  and
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  hate,
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  saving
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  the
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  Bible
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  from
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  fundamentalists,
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  fascists
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  and
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  flock,
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  leasing
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  frauds.
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  Try
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  saying
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  that
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  a
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  few
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  times
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  quickly.
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  John,
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  welcome.
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  It
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  is
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  really
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  a
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  delight.
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  Thank
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  you
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  so
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  much
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  for
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  this
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  book.
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  It's
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  really
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  a
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  contribution
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  and
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  speaks
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  to
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  some
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  of
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  the
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  great
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  issues
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  of
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  our
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  time
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  and
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  some
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  of
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  the
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  great
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  challenges
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  in
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  our
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  society
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  in
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  terms
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  of
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  the.
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  Some
• 2:15
  of
• 2:15
  the
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  conflicts
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  that
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  are
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  happening
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  in
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  large
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  part
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  around
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  different
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  interpretations
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  of
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  the
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  Bible.
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  So
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  welcome.
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  This
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  is
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  an
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  important
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  work,
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  guys.
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  Got
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  to
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  read
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  it.
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  I
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  wasn't
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  sure
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  how
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  the
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  comedy
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  would
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  work
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  with
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  the
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  subject
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  matter.
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  You
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  did
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  it
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  brilliantly
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  and
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  to
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  me
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  it's
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  a
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  lot
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  deeper
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  than
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  it
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  is
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  funny.
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  Although
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  I
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  appreciate
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  the
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  humor
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  that's
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  kind
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  of
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  helps
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  the
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  medicine
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  go
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  down,
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  right?
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  But
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  it
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  just
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  worked
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  for
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  me.
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  I
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  would
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  read
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  until
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  my
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  eyes
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  got
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  blurry.
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  Very
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  good
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  book.
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  Oh,
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  gentlemen,
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  thank
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  you
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  so
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  much.
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  Thank
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  you
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  for
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  having
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  me.
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  And
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  it's
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  a
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  great
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  honor
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  to
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  appear
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  on
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  your
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  beautiful
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  show
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  and
• 2:48
  drag
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  it
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  down
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  to
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  my
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  base
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  level.
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  So
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  thank
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  you.
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  I'm
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  very
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  happy
• 2:51
  to
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  be
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  here.
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  Well,
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  we
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  can
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  all
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  work
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  on
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  that.
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  Okay.
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  Well,
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  John,
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  there's
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  So
• 2:56
  many.
• 2:57
  A
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  lot
• 2:57
  of
• 2:57
  places
• 2:57
  we
• 2:57
  could
• 2:58
  start.
• 2:58
  But
• 2:58
  why
• 2:58
  not?
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  Why
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  don't
• 2:59
  we
• 2:59
  start
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  where
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  you
• 3:00
  started
• 3:01
  your
• 3:01
  book
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  in
• 3:02
  your
• 3:02
  own.
• 3:03
  Your
• 3:03
  family
• 3:03
  of
• 3:03
  origin
• 3:04
  and
• 3:04
  your
• 3:05
  induction
• 3:05
  into.
• 3:06
  Into
• 3:06
  the
• 3:06
  Bible.
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  Sure.
• 3:07
  The
• 3:07
  history
• 3:08
  of
• 3:08
  you
• 3:08
  writing
• 3:09
  this
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  book.
• 3:09
  Fascinating
• 3:10
  too.
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  So.
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  Oh
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  yeah,
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  there's.
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  Well,
• 3:11
  I'm
• 3:12
  glad
• 3:12
  we
• 3:12
  have
• 3:12
  some
• 3:12
  time
• 3:12
  to
• 3:12
  cover
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  a
• 3:13
  lot
• 3:13
  of
• 3:13
  ground.
• 3:13
  I'm
• 3:14
  really
• 3:14
  happy
• 3:14
  to
• 3:14
  be
• 3:14
  here.
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  You
• 3:15
  know,
• 3:15
  a
• 3:16
  lot
• 3:16
  of
• 3:16
  what
• 3:16
  I
• 3:16
  do
• 3:16
  is
• 3:16
  political
• 3:17
  interviews
• 3:18
  on
• 3:18
  political
• 3:18
  shows
• 3:19
  or,
• 3:19
  or
• 3:20
  comedic
• 3:20
  shows
• 3:20
  and
• 3:21
  so
• 3:21
  it
• 3:21
  actually
• 3:21
  be
• 3:22
  with
• 3:22
  people
• 3:22
  who
• 3:22
  are
• 3:23
  more
• 3:23
  spiritually
• 3:23
  educated
• 3:24
  than
• 3:24
  me
• 3:24
  as
• 3:24
  an
• 3:25
  honor.
• 3:25
  I'm
• 3:26
  here
• 3:26
  because
• 3:26
  my
• 3:27
  parents
• 3:28
  were
• 3:28
  in
• 3:28
  the
• 3:28
  clergy
• 3:29
  and
• 3:29
  both
• 3:29
  left.
• 3:30
  So
• 3:31
  my
• 3:31
  mother
• 3:31
  was
• 3:31
  a
• 3:31
  nun
• 3:32
  with
• 3:32
  the
• 3:32
  Daughters
• 3:32
  of
• 3:33
  Wisdom
• 3:33
  order.
• 3:33
  They
• 3:34
  put
• 3:34
  her
• 3:34
  through
• 3:34
  nursing
• 3:35
  school
• 3:35
  and
• 3:35
  she
• 3:35
  worked
• 3:36
  as
• 3:36
  a
• 3:36
  nurse
• 3:37
  with
• 3:37
  lepers
• 3:38
  in
• 3:38
  Malawi,
• 3:39
  Africa.
• 3:39
  My
• 3:40
  father
• 3:40
  was
• 3:40
  a
• 3:41
  Franciscan
• 3:41
  brother
• 3:42
  who
• 3:42
  wore
• 3:42
  the
• 3:43
  brown
• 3:43
  Jedi
• 3:44
  robes
• 3:44
  and
• 3:44
  taught
• 3:44
  history
• 3:45
  to
• 3:45
  Catholic
• 3:45
  boys
• 3:45
  in
• 3:46
  Brooklyn.
• 3:47
  And
• 3:47
  my
• 3:47
  father,
• 3:48
  the
• 3:48
  brother,
• 3:48
  met
• 3:48
  my
• 3:48
  mother.
• 3:49
  The
• 3:49
  sister
• 3:49
  was
• 3:50
  madly
• 3:50
  in
• 3:50
  love
• 3:50
  with
• 3:51
  her
• 3:51
  for
• 3:51
  10
• 3:51
  years.
• 3:51
  Finally
• 3:52
  got
• 3:52
  her
• 3:52
  to
• 3:52
  leave
• 3:53
  the
• 3:53
  convent.
• 3:54
  So
• 3:54
  I
• 3:54
  grew
• 3:54
  up
• 3:55
  with
• 3:55
  a
• 3:55
  very
• 3:55
  interesting
• 3:56
  perspective
• 3:57
  on
• 3:57
  the
• 3:57
  contradictions
• 3:58
  that
• 3:58
  you'll
• 3:58
  always
• 3:58
  find
• 3:59
  in
• 3:59
  religion.
• 3:59
  Because
• 4:00
  of
• 4:00
  religion
• 4:00
  I'm
• 4:01
  not
• 4:01
  supposed
• 4:01
  to
• 4:01
  be
• 4:01
  here,
• 4:02
  but
• 4:02
  because
• 4:02
  of
• 4:03
  religion
• 4:03
  I
• 4:04
  get
• 4:04
  to
• 4:04
  be
• 4:04
  here.
• 4:04
  And
• 4:05
  like
• 4:05
  so
• 4:05
  many,
• 4:06
  I
• 4:06
  was
• 4:06
  raised
• 4:06
  to
• 4:06
  believe
• 4:07
  that
• 4:07
  Christianity
• 4:08
  was
• 4:09
  supposed
• 4:09
  to
• 4:09
  be
• 4:09
  about
• 4:10
  the
• 4:10
  things
• 4:10
  that
• 4:11
  Christ
• 4:11
  taught
• 4:12
  and
• 4:12
  commanded.
• 4:13
  Servant
• 4:13
  leadership
• 4:14
  and
• 4:14
  humility
• 4:15
  and
• 4:15
  looking
• 4:16
  out
• 4:16
  for
• 4:16
  the
• 4:16
  least
• 4:16
  of
• 4:16
  these
• 4:17
  and
• 4:17
  how
• 4:17
  you
• 4:17
  treat
• 4:17
  the
• 4:18
  lowest
• 4:18
  of
• 4:18
  us
• 4:18
  is
• 4:19
  how
• 4:19
  you
• 4:19
  treat
• 4:19
  Jesus.
• 4:20
  I
• 4:20
  learned
• 4:21
  how
• 4:21
  in
• 4:21
  Matthew
• 4:22
  25,
• 4:22
  Jesus
• 4:23
  gives
• 4:23
  His
• 4:23
  marching
• 4:24
  orders
• 4:24
  for
• 4:25
  what
• 4:25
  a
• 4:25
  nation
• 4:25
  would
• 4:26
  have
• 4:26
  to
• 4:26
  do
• 4:26
  to
• 4:26
  be
• 4:27
  called
• 4:27
  a
• 4:27
  Christian
• 4:27
  nation.
• 4:28
  Y'
• 4:28
  all
• 4:28
  know
• 4:28
  it
• 4:28
  better
• 4:29
  than
• 4:29
  me.
• 4:29
  The
• 4:29
  judgment
• 4:29
  of
• 4:30
  nations,
• 4:30
  the
• 4:30
  parable
• 4:30
  of
• 4:31
  the
• 4:31
  goats
• 4:31
  and
• 4:31
  the
• 4:31
  sheep.
• 4:32
  Jesus
• 4:32
  says,
• 4:33
  take
• 4:33
  care
• 4:33
  of
• 4:33
  the
• 4:33
  poor,
• 4:34
  you
• 4:34
  take
• 4:34
  care
• 4:34
  of
• 4:34
  the
• 4:35
  sick,
• 4:35
  you
• 4:35
  welcome
• 4:36
  the
• 4:36
  stranger
• 4:36
  and
• 4:36
  you're
• 4:37
  good
• 4:37
  to
• 4:37
  people
• 4:37
  in
• 4:37
  prison.
• 4:38
  That's
• 4:39
  it.
• 4:39
  Like
• 4:39
  that's
• 4:40
  heaven
• 4:40
  or
• 4:40
  hell
• 4:40
  according
• 4:41
  to
• 4:41
  Jesus,
• 4:42
  which
• 4:42
  is
• 4:42
  why
• 4:42
  right
• 4:43
  wing
• 4:43
  Christians
• 4:44
  never
• 4:44
  quote
• 4:45
  it.
• 4:45
  And
• 4:45
  like
• 4:46
  millions,
• 4:46
  I
• 4:46
  grew
• 4:47
  up
• 4:47
  feeling
• 4:47
  like
• 4:47
  this
• 4:48
  religion
• 4:48
  of
• 4:48
  peace
• 4:48
  and
• 4:48
  love
• 4:49
  and
• 4:49
  empathy
• 4:49
  and
• 4:49
  service
• 4:50
  had
• 4:51
  been
• 4:51
  hijacked
• 4:52
  by
• 4:52
  a
• 4:52
  self
• 4:53
  serving
• 4:53
  white
• 4:54
  supremacist
• 4:54
  mean
• 4:55
  little
• 4:55
  tax
• 4:55
  free
• 4:56
  clique.
• 4:56
  And
• 4:56
  everywhere
• 4:57
  I've
• 4:57
  gone,
• 4:57
  performing
• 4:58
  and
• 4:58
  broadcasting,
• 4:58
  doing
• 4:59
  TV
• 4:59
  or
• 4:59
  radio,
• 5:00
  I've
• 5:00
  met
• 5:01
  so
• 5:01
  many
• 5:01
  folks
• 5:01
  who
• 5:01
  were
• 5:01
  raised
• 5:02
  religious,
• 5:02
  now
• 5:02
  consider
• 5:03
  themselves
• 5:03
  spiritual
• 5:04
  people.
• 5:05
  Stop
• 5:05
  going
• 5:05
  to
• 5:06
  church.
• 5:06
  Not
• 5:06
  because
• 5:06
  of
• 5:06
  God,
• 5:07
  not
• 5:07
  because
• 5:07
  of
• 5:07
  Jesus,
• 5:08
  not
• 5:08
  because
• 5:08
  of
• 5:08
  Noah's
• 5:09
  ark
• 5:09
  or
• 5:09
  Santa
• 5:09
  Claus,
• 5:10
  but
• 5:10
  because
• 5:10
  of
• 5:11
  the
• 5:11
  cruelty
• 5:11
  and
• 5:11
  hypocrisy
• 5:12
  of
• 5:13
  so
• 5:13
  many
• 5:13
  American
• 5:14
  churches.
• 5:14
  And
• 5:15
  so
• 5:15
  this
• 5:15
  book
• 5:16
  was
• 5:16
  my
• 5:16
  attempt
• 5:17
  for
• 5:17
  believers
• 5:18
  and
• 5:18
  non
• 5:18
  believers.
• 5:19
  It
• 5:19
  was
• 5:19
  a
• 5:20
  tough
• 5:20
  Pitch
• 5:20
  for
• 5:20
  the
• 5:20
  first
• 5:21
  few
• 5:21
  years
• 5:21
  trying
• 5:21
  to
• 5:21
  sell
• 5:21
  this.
• 5:22
  Publicists
• 5:23
  were
• 5:23
  like,
• 5:23
  well,
• 5:23
  it's
• 5:24
  for
• 5:24
  atheists
• 5:25
  and
• 5:25
  Christians.
• 5:26
  What?
• 5:26
  And
• 5:26
  I'm
• 5:26
  like,
• 5:26
  it's
• 5:26
  for
• 5:27
  anyone
• 5:27
  of
• 5:27
  any
• 5:28
  belief
• 5:28
  system
• 5:29
  who's
• 5:29
  ever
• 5:29
  gonna
• 5:30
  have
• 5:30
  to
• 5:30
  deal
• 5:30
  with
• 5:31
  a
• 5:31
  Christian
• 5:32
  nationalist
• 5:32
  or
• 5:33
  a
• 5:33
  hard
• 5:33
  right
• 5:33
  wing
• 5:34
  fundamentalist
• 5:35
  in
• 5:35
  their
• 5:36
  family,
• 5:36
  in
• 5:36
  their
• 5:37
  job,
• 5:37
  in
• 5:37
  their
• 5:37
  school,
• 5:38
  in
• 5:38
  their
• 5:38
  local
• 5:39
  government,
• 5:40
  in
• 5:40
  their
• 5:40
  school
• 5:40
  board.
• 5:41
  And
• 5:41
  I
• 5:41
  am
• 5:42
  a
• 5:42
  comedian,
• 5:42
  so
• 5:42
  it's
• 5:42
  got
• 5:43
  a
• 5:43
  few
• 5:43
  more
• 5:43
  inappropriate
• 5:44
  jokes
• 5:44
  than
• 5:44
  most
• 5:44
  books
• 5:45
  about
• 5:45
  theology,
• 5:45
  but
• 5:46
  I'm
• 5:46
  so
• 5:46
  grateful
• 5:46
  it's
• 5:47
  been
• 5:47
  so
• 5:47
  well
• 5:47
  received
• 5:47
  and
• 5:48
  I'm
• 5:48
  thrilled
• 5:48
  that
• 5:48
  y'
• 5:48
  all
• 5:48
  liked
• 5:49
  it.
• 5:49
  Yeah,
• 5:50
  it
• 5:50
  was,
• 5:50
  John
• 5:50
  said,
• 5:51
  just
• 5:51
  a
• 5:51
  delight
• 5:52
  to
• 5:53
  read.
• 5:53
  And
• 5:53
  you
• 5:54
  mastered
• 5:55
  what
• 5:55
  seems
• 5:55
  such
• 5:55
  a
• 5:56
  rare
• 5:56
  art.
• 5:56
  I
• 5:56
  mean,
• 5:57
  I
• 5:57
  love
• 5:57
  the
• 5:57
  combination
• 5:58
  of
• 5:58
  comedy
• 5:59
  and
• 5:59
  education.
• 6:00
  So
• 6:01
  you
• 6:01
  crafted
• 6:01
  those
• 6:02
  two
• 6:02
  beautifully.
• 6:03
  My
• 6:03
  wife
• 6:03
  gets
• 6:03
  all
• 6:04
  the
• 6:04
  credit
• 6:04
  for
• 6:04
  that.
• 6:04
  I
• 6:05
  spent
• 6:05
  a
• 6:05
  lot
• 6:05
  of
• 6:06
  time
• 6:06
  trying
• 6:06
  to
• 6:06
  figure
• 6:07
  out
• 6:07
  the
• 6:07
  right
• 6:07
  voice
• 6:08
  for
• 6:08
  this.
• 6:08
  You
• 6:08
  know,
• 6:08
  I.
• 6:09
  I
• 6:09
  think
• 6:09
  with
• 6:09
  writing,
• 6:09
  it's
• 6:10
  not
• 6:10
  about
• 6:10
  finding
• 6:11
  your
• 6:11
  voice.
• 6:11
  It's
• 6:11
  about
• 6:12
  finding
• 6:12
  which
• 6:12
  of
• 6:13
  the
• 6:13
  many
• 6:14
  voices
• 6:14
  we
• 6:14
  all
• 6:15
  have
• 6:15
  is
• 6:15
  the
• 6:15
  right
• 6:15
  one.
• 6:16
  And
• 6:16
  I
• 6:17
  would
• 6:17
  read
• 6:17
  my
• 6:17
  wife
• 6:17
  early
• 6:18
  passages
• 6:18
  of
• 6:18
  the
• 6:19
  book
• 6:19
  and
• 6:19
  she
• 6:19
  would
• 6:19
  say,
• 6:20
  I'm
• 6:21
  bored.
• 6:22
  She
• 6:22
  would
• 6:23
  interrupt
• 6:23
  me
• 6:23
  to
• 6:23
  say,
• 6:23
  it's
• 6:24
  not
• 6:24
  funny.
• 6:24
  I'm
• 6:25
  not
• 6:25
  laughing.
• 6:25
  She
• 6:26
  would,
• 6:26
  like,
• 6:26
  stop
• 6:26
  me
• 6:26
  and
• 6:27
  say,
• 6:27
  you're
• 6:27
  trying
• 6:27
  to
• 6:27
  write
• 6:28
  like
• 6:28
  one
• 6:28
  of
• 6:28
  the
• 6:28
  academ
• 6:29
  academics
• 6:29
  or
• 6:29
  authors
• 6:29
  you
• 6:29
  have
• 6:30
  on
• 6:30
  your
• 6:30
  show.
• 6:30
  That's
• 6:31
  not
• 6:31
  you.
• 6:31
  You're
• 6:31
  not
• 6:32
  a
• 6:32
  professional,
• 6:32
  smart
• 6:32
  person.
• 6:33
  And
• 6:33
  my
• 6:33
  wife
• 6:34
  kept
• 6:34
  on
• 6:34
  my
• 6:34
  case
• 6:35
  to
• 6:35
  make
• 6:35
  it
• 6:35
  as
• 6:36
  conversational
• 6:36
  and
• 6:37
  irreverent
• 6:37
  and
• 6:38
  goofy
• 6:38
  as
• 6:38
  I
• 6:38
  possibly
• 6:39
  could.
• 6:39
  My
• 6:40
  goal
• 6:40
  was
• 6:40
  to
• 6:40
  make
• 6:40
  a
• 6:40
  book
• 6:40
  that
• 6:41
  was
• 6:41
  light
• 6:41
  and
• 6:41
  dense.
• 6:42
  So
• 6:42
  I
• 6:42
  thank
• 6:43
  you
• 6:43
  both
• 6:43
  so
• 6:43
  much
• 6:43
  for
• 6:44
  getting
• 6:44
  that.
• 6:45
  Yeah.
• 6:46
  And
• 6:46
  though
• 6:46
  it
• 6:46
  was
• 6:47
  primarily
• 6:47
  written
• 6:47
  to
• 6:48
  give
• 6:48
  us,
• 6:48
  you
• 6:48
  know,
• 6:49
  the
• 6:50
  arguments
• 6:50
  to
• 6:51
  argue
• 6:51
  against
• 6:51
  these
• 6:52
  right
• 6:52
  wing
• 6:52
  nationalists,
• 6:53
  racist,
• 6:53
  blah,
• 6:53
  blah,
• 6:54
  Christians,
• 6:54
  so
• 6:54
  called.
• 6:55
  Yeah.
• 6:55
  But
• 6:56
  it
• 6:56
  works
• 6:57
  at
• 6:57
  a
• 6:57
  deeper
• 6:57
  level
• 6:57
  also.
• 6:58
  And
• 6:58
  let
• 6:59
  me
• 6:59
  tell
• 6:59
  you
• 6:59
  a
• 6:59
  little
• 6:59
  bit
• 6:59
  about
• 6:59
  my
• 7:00
  experience.
• 7:00
  When
• 7:00
  I
• 7:00
  was
• 7:01
  11
• 7:01
  or
• 7:01
  12,
• 7:01
  I
• 7:02
  got.
• 7:02
  I
• 7:02
  was
• 7:02
  raised
• 7:02
  Catholic
• 7:03
  and
• 7:03
  I
• 7:04
  got
• 7:04
  a
• 7:04
  hold
• 7:04
  of
• 7:04
  a
• 7:04
  little
• 7:05
  Gideon's
• 7:05
  New
• 7:05
  Testament.
• 7:06
  I
• 7:06
  started
• 7:06
  reading
• 7:06
  Matthew,
• 7:07
  you
• 7:07
  know,
• 7:07
  first
• 7:08
  Gospel,
• 7:08
  and
• 7:08
  I
• 7:08
  got
• 7:09
  to
• 7:09
  Sermon
• 7:10
  on
• 7:10
  the
• 7:10
  Mount,
• 7:11
  and
• 7:11
  it
• 7:11
  just,
• 7:12
  boom.
• 7:13
  I
• 7:13
  went,
• 7:13
  oh,
• 7:14
  my
• 7:14
  God,
• 7:15
  who
• 7:15
  is
• 7:15
  this
• 7:15
  guy?
• 7:16
  You
• 7:16
  know,
• 7:16
  he's
• 7:17
  on
• 7:17
  the
• 7:17
  walls
• 7:17
  of
• 7:17
  the
• 7:17
  churches.
• 7:18
  I've
• 7:18
  never
• 7:18
  heard
• 7:18
  this
• 7:19
  stuff.
• 7:19
  And
• 7:19
  it
• 7:19
  was
• 7:19
  during
• 7:20
  the
• 7:20
  Vietnam
• 7:20
  War,
• 7:20
  and
• 7:20
  I
• 7:21
  had
• 7:21
  one
• 7:21
  brother
• 7:21
  who
• 7:21
  was
• 7:21
  a
• 7:21
  hippie
• 7:22
  who'd
• 7:22
  run
• 7:22
  off
• 7:23
  Bill
• 7:23
  Haight,
• 7:23
  Ashbury,
• 7:23
  and
• 7:24
  the
• 7:24
  other
• 7:24
  was
• 7:24
  a
• 7:24
  infantryman
• 7:25
  in
• 7:25
  Vietnam.
• 7:26
  So
• 7:26
  I
• 7:27
  was
• 7:27
  just
• 7:27
  looking
• 7:27
  at
• 7:27
  that
• 7:27
  and
• 7:28
  look
• 7:28
  at
• 7:28
  the
• 7:28
  world
• 7:28
  around
• 7:28
  me.
• 7:29
  I
• 7:29
  think
• 7:29
  I
• 7:29
  spent
• 7:30
  years
• 7:30
  of
• 7:30
  my
• 7:30
  life
• 7:30
  trying
• 7:31
  to
• 7:31
  find
• 7:31
  Christians
• 7:32
  that
• 7:32
  were
• 7:32
  actually
• 7:32
  doing
• 7:33
  what
• 7:34
  you're
• 7:34
  talking
• 7:34
  about.
• 7:35
  And
• 7:35
  that
• 7:36
  took
• 7:36
  me
• 7:36
  some,
• 7:36
  some
• 7:36
  weird
• 7:37
  roads.
• 7:37
  But
• 7:37
  when
• 7:38
  I
• 7:38
  read
• 7:38
  this
• 7:38
  book,
• 7:38
  it
• 7:38
  was
• 7:39
  like,
• 7:39
  oh
• 7:39
  thank
• 7:39
  God
• 7:40
  somebody
• 7:40
  wrote
• 7:41
  this.
• 7:41
  So
• 7:42
  John,
• 7:42
  very,
• 7:42
  very
• 7:43
  moved
• 7:43
  and
• 7:43
  very
• 7:43
  impressed.
• 7:44
  Oh,
• 7:44
  you're
• 7:44
  so
• 7:44
  kind.
• 7:44
  There
• 7:45
  are
• 7:45
  many
• 7:45
  progressive
• 7:46
  theology
• 7:46
  books
• 7:46
  and
• 7:46
  I
• 7:47
  Lord
• 7:47
  knows
• 7:47
  I've
• 7:47
  read
• 7:47
  plenty
• 7:48
  and
• 7:48
  I've
• 7:48
  been
• 7:48
  inspired
• 7:48
  by
• 7:49
  many,
• 7:50
  many
• 7:50
  writers
• 7:50
  who
• 7:50
  are
• 7:51
  much
• 7:51
  better
• 7:51
  writers
• 7:52
  and
• 7:52
  human
• 7:52
  beings
• 7:53
  than
• 7:53
  me,
• 7:53
  but
• 7:53
  not
• 7:54
  a
• 7:54
  lot
• 7:54
  done
• 7:54
  by
• 7:54
  a
• 7:55
  foul
• 7:55
  mouth
• 7:55
  comedian.
• 7:56
  So
• 7:56
  thank
• 7:57
  you
• 7:57
  for
• 7:57
  that.
• 7:58
  Yeah,
• 7:59
  I
• 7:59
  just
• 7:59
  got
• 7:59
  to
• 7:59
  go
• 8:00
  back
• 8:00
  and
• 8:00
  say
• 8:00
  I
• 8:00
  loved
• 8:00
  what
• 8:01
  you
• 8:01
  said
• 8:01
  about
• 8:01
  your
• 8:01
  wife's
• 8:02
  comments
• 8:02
  because
• 8:02
  my
• 8:03
  late
• 8:03
  wife
• 8:04
  first
• 8:04
  book
• 8:04
  I
• 8:04
  true
• 8:05
  popular
• 8:05
  book
• 8:05
  I
• 8:06
  tried
• 8:06
  to
• 8:06
  write
• 8:07
  right
• 8:07
  after
• 8:08
  she
• 8:08
  read
• 8:08
  three
• 8:09
  pages
• 8:09
  and
• 8:09
  said
• 8:09
  if
• 8:09
  you
• 8:10
  want
• 8:10
  to
• 8:10
  reach
• 8:10
  people,
• 8:10
  be
• 8:11
  really
• 8:11
  good
• 8:11
  if
• 8:11
  they
• 8:11
  could
• 8:12
  understand
• 8:12
  it.
• 8:13
  Right.
• 8:13
  God
• 8:13
  bless
• 8:14
  her.
• 8:14
  It's
• 8:14
  so
• 8:14
  true.
• 8:15
  And
• 8:16
  this
• 8:16
  is
• 8:16
  my
• 8:17
  first
• 8:17
  book.
• 8:17
  So
• 8:17
  yes,
• 8:17
  I'm
• 8:18
  guilty
• 8:18
  of
• 8:18
  sometimes
• 8:18
  trying
• 8:19
  to
• 8:19
  write
• 8:19
  like
• 8:19
  I
• 8:19
  think
• 8:20
  a
• 8:20
  writer
• 8:20
  talks.
• 8:21
  And
• 8:21
  because
• 8:22
  I
• 8:22
  was
• 8:22
  so
• 8:23
  shamed,
• 8:23
  as
• 8:24
  you
• 8:24
  were,
• 8:24
  thank
• 8:24
  God,
• 8:25
  by
• 8:25
  our
• 8:25
  wives.
• 8:25
  By
• 8:26
  the
• 8:26
  time
• 8:26
  I
• 8:26
  got
• 8:27
  into
• 8:27
  the
• 8:27
  studio
• 8:27
  at
• 8:27
  Simon
• 8:28
  and
• 8:28
  Schuster
• 8:28
  to
• 8:28
  record
• 8:29
  the
• 8:29
  audiobook,
• 8:29
  it
• 8:30
  was
• 8:30
  the
• 8:30
  easiest
• 8:30
  part
• 8:30
  of
• 8:30
  the
• 8:31
  process.
• 8:31
  I
• 8:31
  had
• 8:31
  already
• 8:32
  said
• 8:32
  it
• 8:32
  out
• 8:32
  loud
• 8:33
  a
• 8:33
  hundred
• 8:33
  times.
• 8:34
  I
• 8:34
  turned
• 8:34
  in
• 8:35
  the
• 8:35
  first
• 8:35
  draft
• 8:35
  of
• 8:36
  this.
• 8:36
  I
• 8:36
  was
• 8:36
  in
• 8:37
  Chicago
• 8:37
  for
• 8:37
  the
• 8:37
  Democratic
• 8:38
  convention
• 8:38
  in
• 8:38
  2024
• 8:39
  and
• 8:39
  I
• 8:39
  was
• 8:40
  up
• 8:40
  all
• 8:40
  night.
• 8:41
  I
• 8:41
  had
• 8:41
  to
• 8:41
  go
• 8:41
  for
• 8:41
  Sirius
• 8:42
  XM.
• 8:42
  And
• 8:42
  around
• 8:43
  6am
• 8:43
  the
• 8:44
  morning
• 8:44
  the
• 8:44
  convention
• 8:45
  started,
• 8:45
  I
• 8:45
  finally
• 8:46
  turned
• 8:46
  it
• 8:46
  in
• 8:46
  because
• 8:47
  I
• 8:47
  was
• 8:47
  reading
• 8:47
  it
• 8:48
  all
• 8:48
  out
• 8:48
  loud
• 8:48
  as
• 8:48
  I
• 8:49
  wrote
• 8:49
  it
• 8:49
  because
• 8:49
  I
• 8:49
  had
• 8:50
  to
• 8:50
  make
• 8:51
  sure
• 8:51
  it
• 8:51
  was
• 8:51
  conversational
• 8:52
  up
• 8:52
  to
• 8:52
  the
• 8:52
  end.
• 8:52
  I
• 8:53
  didn't
• 8:53
  want
• 8:53
  it
• 8:53
  to
• 8:53
  feel
• 8:53
  like
• 8:54
  a
• 8:54
  lecture.
• 8:54
  So
• 8:55
  I'm
• 8:55
  deeply
• 8:56
  gratified
• 8:56
  that
• 8:56
  you
• 8:56
  felt
• 8:57
  that
• 8:57
  way.
• 8:57
  And
• 8:58
  John,
• 8:58
  what
• 8:59
  put
• 8:59
  this
• 8:59
  fire
• 8:59
  in
• 9:00
  your
• 9:00
  belly?
• 9:00
  At
• 9:00
  some
• 9:01
  point
• 9:01
  you
• 9:01
  said,
• 9:02
  this
• 9:02
  book
• 9:02
  hasn't
• 9:02
  been
• 9:03
  written,
• 9:03
  it
• 9:03
  needs
• 9:04
  to
• 9:04
  be
• 9:04
  written.
• 9:04
  And
• 9:05
  it
• 9:05
  was
• 9:05
  a
• 9:05
  labor
• 9:05
  of
• 9:06
  love
• 9:06
  for,
• 9:06
  he
• 9:06
  said
• 9:06
  13
• 9:07
  years
• 9:07
  before
• 9:07
  anybody
• 9:08
  would
• 9:08
  publish
• 9:08
  it.
• 9:09
  And
• 9:09
  it's
• 9:09
  really
• 9:10
  hard
• 9:10
  to
• 9:10
  believe
• 9:10
  such
• 9:11
  a.
• 9:11
  Yeah,
• 9:11
  I
• 9:12
  first
• 9:12
  started
• 9:12
  talking
• 9:13
  about
• 9:13
  this
• 9:13
  book
• 9:13
  and
• 9:14
  oh
• 9:15
  lordy.
• 9:15
  I
• 9:15
  mean,
• 9:15
  the
• 9:16
  first
• 9:16
  time
• 9:16
  I
• 9:16
  actually
• 9:17
  submitted
• 9:17
  a
• 9:17
  proposal
• 9:18
  was
• 9:18
  in
• 9:18
  2010
• 9:19
  in
• 9:19
  the
• 9:19
  summer.
• 9:20
  My
• 9:20
  father
• 9:20
  was
• 9:20
  in
• 9:21
  hospice
• 9:21
  and
• 9:21
  I
• 9:21
  went
• 9:21
  down
• 9:22
  south
• 9:22
  to
• 9:22
  stay
• 9:22
  with
• 9:22
  him
• 9:23
  for
• 9:23
  a
• 9:23
  couple
• 9:23
  of
• 9:23
  months
• 9:24
  and
• 9:25
  I
• 9:25
  had
• 9:25
  the
• 9:25
  time.
• 9:25
  If
• 9:26
  you've
• 9:26
  done
• 9:26
  hospice,
• 9:27
  you
• 9:27
  know,
• 9:27
  it's
• 9:27
  a
• 9:27
  lot
• 9:28
  of
• 9:28
  sitting
• 9:28
  around.
• 9:28
  And
• 9:29
  my
• 9:30
  dad
• 9:30
  actually
• 9:31
  hit
• 9:32
  send
• 9:33
  on
• 9:33
  the
• 9:34
  email
• 9:34
  when
• 9:34
  I
• 9:34
  first
• 9:35
  submitted
• 9:35
  the
• 9:36
  first
• 9:36
  book
• 9:36
  proposal.
• 9:37
  And
• 9:37
  you
• 9:37
  know,
• 9:37
  it,
• 9:38
  as
• 9:38
  I
• 9:38
  said,
• 9:38
  editors
• 9:39
  didn't
• 9:39
  understand.
• 9:40
  They
• 9:40
  thought,
• 9:40
  wait,
• 9:41
  it's
• 9:42
  for
• 9:42
  atheists
• 9:42
  and
• 9:42
  believers
• 9:43
  together.
• 9:44
  And
• 9:44
  then
• 9:44
  years
• 9:44
  went
• 9:45
  by
• 9:45
  and
• 9:45
  I
• 9:45
  tried
• 9:45
  doing
• 9:45
  it
• 9:45
  again
• 9:46
  with
• 9:46
  different
• 9:46
  Agents
• 9:46
  and
• 9:47
  different
• 9:47
  publishers.
• 9:48
  And,
• 9:48
  you
• 9:49
  know,
• 9:49
  I
• 9:49
  got
• 9:49
  some
• 9:49
  good
• 9:49
  response
• 9:50
  at
• 9:50
  first,
• 9:50
  but
• 9:50
  then
• 9:50
  they
• 9:50
  came
• 9:51
  back
• 9:51
  and
• 9:51
  said,
• 9:51
  can
• 9:51
  you
• 9:51
  write
• 9:51
  a
• 9:52
  love
• 9:52
  story
• 9:52
  about
• 9:52
  your
• 9:53
  parents
• 9:53
  courtship?
• 9:53
  I
• 9:54
  want
• 9:54
  to
• 9:54
  cry.
• 9:54
  My
• 9:54
  agent
• 9:54
  was
• 9:55
  like,
• 9:55
  right,
• 9:55
  I
• 9:55
  know
• 9:56
  you
• 9:56
  can
• 9:56
  write
• 9:56
  a
• 9:56
  love
• 9:56
  story
• 9:57
  where
• 9:57
  I'll
• 9:57
  cry
• 9:57
  in
• 9:57
  the
• 9:57
  end.
• 9:57
  And
• 9:58
  I'm
• 9:58
  like,
• 9:58
  well,
• 9:58
  yeah,
• 9:59
  I
• 9:59
  want
• 9:59
  to
• 9:59
  write
• 9:59
  that,
• 9:59
  but
• 10:00
  that's
• 10:00
  not
• 10:00
  what
• 10:00
  this
• 10:00
  is.
• 10:00
  I'm
• 10:01
  not
• 10:01
  trying
• 10:01
  to
• 10:01
  write
• 10:01
  literature.
• 10:02
  I'm
• 10:02
  trying
• 10:02
  to
• 10:02
  write
• 10:02
  a
• 10:02
  book
• 10:03
  that
• 10:03
  I
• 10:03
  wish
• 10:04
  someone
• 10:04
  had
• 10:04
  given
• 10:04
  me
• 10:05
  at
• 10:05
  age
• 10:05
  17
• 10:06
  when
• 10:06
  I
• 10:07
  was
• 10:07
  trying
• 10:07
  to
• 10:07
  understand
• 10:07
  how
• 10:08
  the
• 10:08
  religion
• 10:08
  of
• 10:08
  love
• 10:09
  my
• 10:09
  mother
• 10:09
  and
• 10:09
  father
• 10:09
  had
• 10:10
  raised
• 10:10
  me
• 10:10
  in
• 10:11
  was
• 10:11
  the
• 10:11
  same
• 10:11
  religion
• 10:12
  as
• 10:12
  these
• 10:12
  televangelists,
• 10:13
  these
• 10:14
  ex
• 10:14
  segregationists
• 10:15
  like
• 10:15
  Jerry
• 10:15
  Falwell,
• 10:16
  these
• 10:16
  white
• 10:16
  supremacists
• 10:17
  and
• 10:17
  woman
• 10:17
  haters
• 10:18
  and
• 10:18
  homophobes
• 10:19
  and
• 10:19
  Muslim
• 10:19
  haters
• 10:20
  and
• 10:20
  immigrant
• 10:20
  haters
• 10:21
  on
• 10:21
  tv.
• 10:22
  Why
• 10:22
  is
• 10:22
  the
• 10:22
  media
• 10:23
  presenting
• 10:24
  people
• 10:24
  like
• 10:24
  this
• 10:25
  as
• 10:25
  Christian
• 10:25
  leaders
• 10:26
  who
• 10:26
  have
• 10:27
  nothing
• 10:27
  to
• 10:27
  do
• 10:28
  with
• 10:28
  the
• 10:28
  teachings
• 10:29
  of
• 10:29
  Jesus
• 10:29
  and
• 10:29
  the
• 10:29
  Bible
• 10:30
  I
• 10:30
  grew
• 10:30
  up
• 10:30
  with?
• 10:31
  I
• 10:31
  think
• 10:31
  that
• 10:31
  disconnect
• 10:32
  is
• 10:32
  universal,
• 10:33
  and
• 10:33
  I
• 10:33
  think
• 10:33
  the
• 10:33
  media
• 10:33
  is
• 10:34
  terrified
• 10:34
  of
• 10:34
  addressing
• 10:34
  it.
• 10:35
  Ward
• 10:35
  knows
• 10:35
  the
• 10:35
  Democratic
• 10:36
  Party's
• 10:36
  terrified
• 10:37
  of
• 10:37
  addressing
• 10:37
  it.
• 10:38
  And
• 10:38
  so
• 10:38
  I
• 10:38
  just
• 10:38
  thought,
• 10:39
  well,
• 10:39
  there's
• 10:39
  lots
• 10:40
  of
• 10:40
  great
• 10:40
  theologians
• 10:40
  and
• 10:41
  clergy
• 10:41
  and
• 10:41
  authors
• 10:42
  who've
• 10:42
  written
• 10:42
  books
• 10:42
  like
• 10:42
  this.
• 10:43
  Maybe
• 10:43
  a
• 10:44
  comedian
• 10:44
  should
• 10:44
  try
• 10:45
  that
• 10:45
  as
• 10:45
  well.
• 10:45
  And
• 10:46
  so
• 10:46
  for
• 10:46
  me,
• 10:47
  these
• 10:47
  are
• 10:47
  things
• 10:47
  that
• 10:48
  I've
• 10:48
  talked
• 10:48
  about
• 10:48
  for
• 10:48
  years
• 10:49
  on
• 10:49
  my
• 10:49
  Sirius
• 10:49
  XM
• 10:50
  show.
• 10:50
  I've
• 10:50
  debated
• 10:51
  these
• 10:51
  things.
• 10:51
  These
• 10:52
  are
• 10:52
  things
• 10:52
  I've
• 10:52
  covered
• 10:53
  on
• 10:53
  television.
• 10:53
  And,
• 10:54
  you
• 10:54
  know,
• 10:54
  I
• 10:54
  mean,
• 10:54
  I
• 10:54
  debated
• 10:55
  David
• 10:55
  Duke
• 10:55
  and
• 10:56
  Jerry
• 10:56
  Falwell
• 10:56
  on
• 10:57
  Bill
• 10:57
  Maher
• 10:57
  when
• 10:58
  I
• 10:58
  was
• 10:58
  still
• 10:58
  in
• 10:58
  my
• 10:58
  20s.
• 10:59
  So
• 10:59
  it
• 11:00
  was
• 11:00
  a
• 11:00
  labor
• 11:00
  of
• 11:00
  love.
• 11:00
  But,
• 11:01
  yes,
• 11:01
  from
• 11:01
  the
• 11:01
  time
• 11:01
  I
• 11:02
  first
• 11:02
  submitted
• 11:03
  my
• 11:03
  first
• 11:03
  proposal
• 11:03
  to
• 11:04
  the
• 11:04
  book
• 11:04
  being
• 11:04
  released
• 11:05
  was
• 11:05
  a
• 11:06
  little
• 11:06
  over
• 11:06
  15
• 11:06
  years.
• 11:07
  So
• 11:07
  never
• 11:08
  give
• 11:08
  up,
• 11:08
  guys,
• 11:08
  on
• 11:09
  your
• 11:09
  passions.
• 11:10
  All
• 11:10
  right,
• 11:10
  well,
• 11:11
  thank
• 11:11
  you
• 11:11
  for
• 11:11
  the
• 11:11
  encouragement.
• 11:12
  I
• 11:12
  think
• 11:12
  how
• 11:12
  long
• 11:12
  I've
• 11:13
  been
• 11:13
  trying
• 11:13
  to
• 11:13
  write
• 11:14
  thing
• 11:14
  now,
• 11:15
  really,
• 11:17
  how
• 11:17
  long
• 11:17
  are
• 11:17
  you
• 11:17
  working
• 11:18
  on
• 11:18
  it?
• 11:19
  Oh,
• 11:19
  12
• 11:20
  years.
• 11:21
  I
• 11:21
  understand.
• 11:22
  I
• 11:22
  get
• 11:22
  it.
• 11:23
  That's
• 11:23
  a
• 11:23
  different
• 11:23
  story.
• 11:24
  So
• 11:25
  you
• 11:25
  implied
• 11:25
  something
• 11:26
  interesting
• 11:26
  here,
• 11:26
  John,
• 11:27
  and
• 11:27
  that
• 11:27
  is
• 11:27
  that
• 11:28
  you
• 11:28
  are
• 11:28
  part
• 11:29
  of
• 11:29
  a
• 11:29
  larger
• 11:30
  movement
• 11:30
  which
• 11:30
  is
• 11:31
  an
• 11:31
  attempt
• 11:32
  to
• 11:32
  provide
• 11:33
  a
• 11:33
  correction
• 11:34
  to
• 11:35
  what
• 11:35
  has
• 11:35
  been
• 11:36
  a
• 11:36
  media
• 11:37
  focus
• 11:38
  on
• 11:39
  some
• 11:39
  of
• 11:39
  the
• 11:39
  more
• 11:40
  fundamentalist
• 11:41
  perspectives
• 11:42
  on
• 11:42
  the
• 11:42
  Bible
• 11:42
  and
• 11:43
  somewhat
• 11:43
  not
• 11:43
  so
• 11:44
  generous
• 11:44
  interpretations
• 11:45
  the
• 11:45
  media
• 11:46
  has
• 11:46
  focused
• 11:47
  on.
• 11:47
  And
• 11:48
  you
• 11:48
  are
• 11:48
  focusing
• 11:49
  on
• 11:49
  contemporary
• 11:50
  issues.
• 11:50
  But
• 11:50
  there's
• 11:50
  a
• 11:51
  long
• 11:51
  history.
• 11:51
  There's
• 11:52
  something
• 11:52
  in
• 11:52
  the
• 11:53
  human
• 11:53
  psyche
• 11:54
  that
• 11:55
  tends
• 11:56
  to
• 11:56
  use
• 11:56
  religion,
• 11:57
  which
• 11:57
  is,
• 11:58
  you
• 11:58
  know,
• 11:58
  traditionally
• 11:59
  defined
• 11:59
  as
• 11:59
  the
• 12:00
  concerned
• 12:00
  with
• 12:00
  ultimate
• 12:01
  values,
• 12:02
  try
• 12:02
  to
• 12:02
  use
• 12:03
  those
• 12:04
  in
• 12:04
  the
• 12:04
  service
• 12:05
  of
• 12:05
  whatever
• 12:05
  egocentric
• 12:07
  motives.
• 12:07
  Correct.
• 12:08
  And
• 12:08
  so
• 12:09
  it's
• 12:09
  been
• 12:09
  used
• 12:10
  really
• 12:10
  Religion
• 12:10
  has
• 12:11
  powered
• 12:12
  both
• 12:12
  the
• 12:12
  best
• 12:12
  and
• 12:12
  the
• 12:13
  worst
• 12:13
  of
• 12:13
  human
• 12:13
  behavior.
• 12:14
  Amen.
• 12:15
  You
• 12:15
  know,
• 12:15
  with,
• 12:16
  I
• 12:16
  mean
• 12:16
  the
• 12:17
  extraordinary,
• 12:19
  starting
• 12:19
  with
• 12:19
  Jesus
• 12:20
  and
• 12:20
  of
• 12:20
  course
• 12:21
  even
• 12:21
  before
• 12:21
  him,
• 12:21
  but
• 12:22
  in
• 12:22
  so
• 12:22
  many
• 12:22
  traditions,
• 12:23
  these
• 12:23
  extraordinary
• 12:25
  human
• 12:25
  beings
• 12:26
  that
• 12:26
  have
• 12:27
  lived
• 12:28
  from,
• 12:28
  expressed,
• 12:29
  communicated
• 12:30
  these
• 12:30
  teachings
• 12:31
  and
• 12:31
  yet
• 12:32
  have
• 12:32
  a
• 12:32
  history
• 12:33
  of
• 12:34
  these
• 12:34
  same
• 12:34
  teachings
• 12:35
  being
• 12:35
  used
• 12:35
  to
• 12:35
  justify
• 12:36
  war
• 12:37
  and
• 12:37
  slavery
• 12:38
  and
• 12:38
  torture
• 12:38
  and
• 12:39
  witch
• 12:39
  burning,
• 12:39
  etc.
• 12:41
  And
• 12:41
  so
• 12:41
  there's
• 12:42
  this
• 12:42
  long
• 12:42
  history,
• 12:42
  and
• 12:43
  now
• 12:43
  you're
• 12:44
  addressing
• 12:45
  some
• 12:45
  of
• 12:45
  the
• 12:46
  contemporary
• 12:47
  misinterpretations,
• 12:49
  the
• 12:49
  disposition
• 12:50
  of
• 12:50
  the,
• 12:51
  in
• 12:52
  our
• 12:52
  history,
• 12:52
  dispossession
• 12:53
  of
• 12:53
  Native
• 12:54
  Americans,
• 12:55
  slavery,
• 12:56
  and
• 12:57
  more
• 12:57
  recently
• 12:58
  this
• 12:58
  surge
• 12:59
  of
• 12:59
  resurgence
• 13:00
  of
• 13:00
  fundamentalism
• 13:01
  and
• 13:01
  now
• 13:01
  Christian
• 13:02
  nationalism.
• 13:03
  So
• 13:04
  it
• 13:04
  seems
• 13:04
  like
• 13:04
  you're
• 13:04
  part
• 13:05
  of
• 13:05
  your
• 13:06
  coming
• 13:06
  in
• 13:06
  on
• 13:06
  a
• 13:07
  contemporary
• 13:08
  focus
• 13:09
  on
• 13:09
  what
• 13:10
  is
• 13:10
  a,
• 13:11
  almost
• 13:11
  a
• 13:11
  perennial
• 13:12
  human
• 13:12
  issue
• 13:12
  here.
• 13:13
  I
• 13:13
  think
• 13:13
  so.
• 13:14
  But
• 13:14
  if
• 13:14
  there's
• 13:15
  one
• 13:15
  thing
• 13:15
  the
• 13:15
  last
• 13:15
  few
• 13:16
  years
• 13:16
  have
• 13:16
  taught
• 13:16
  me,
• 13:16
  it's
• 13:17
  that
• 13:17
  current
• 13:17
  events
• 13:17
  aren't
• 13:18
  always
• 13:18
  current.
• 13:19
  And
• 13:19
  so
• 13:19
  many
• 13:19
  of
• 13:19
  the
• 13:19
  issues
• 13:20
  that
• 13:20
  divide
• 13:20
  us
• 13:21
  are,
• 13:21
  have
• 13:22
  divided
• 13:22
  us
• 13:22
  for
• 13:22
  a
• 13:23
  very
• 13:23
  long
• 13:23
  time.
• 13:24
  And
• 13:24
  you
• 13:24
  know,
• 13:24
  I
• 13:24
  don't
• 13:25
  think
• 13:25
  it's
• 13:25
  the
• 13:25
  same
• 13:26
  teachings
• 13:26
  used
• 13:27
  for
• 13:27
  atrocities.
• 13:28
  I
• 13:28
  think
• 13:28
  it's
• 13:29
  the
• 13:29
  same
• 13:29
  book.
• 13:29
  I
• 13:30
  think
• 13:30
  it's
• 13:30
  this
• 13:30
  notion
• 13:31
  of,
• 13:31
  well,
• 13:31
  it's
• 13:31
  in
• 13:31
  the
• 13:32
  Bible
• 13:32
  somewhere
• 13:32
  and
• 13:33
  that
• 13:33
  has
• 13:33
  allowed
• 13:34
  a
• 13:34
  lot
• 13:34
  of
• 13:34
  people
• 13:34
  to
• 13:34
  justify
• 13:35
  a
• 13:35
  lot
• 13:35
  of
• 13:35
  evil
• 13:36
  acts.
• 13:36
  Religion
• 13:37
  didn't
• 13:37
  invent
• 13:37
  hate,
• 13:38
  but
• 13:39
  hate
• 13:39
  has
• 13:39
  always
• 13:40
  found
• 13:40
  voice
• 13:41
  and
• 13:42
  a
• 13:42
  home
• 13:42
  in
• 13:42
  religion.
• 13:43
  And
• 13:43
  as
• 13:43
  George
• 13:43
  Harrison
• 13:44
  said,
• 13:44
  as
• 13:44
  long
• 13:45
  as
• 13:45
  you
• 13:45
  hate,
• 13:46
  there
• 13:46
  will
• 13:46
  be
• 13:46
  people
• 13:46
  to
• 13:47
  hate.
• 13:47
  And
• 13:48
  we've
• 13:48
  seen
• 13:48
  this
• 13:48
  through
• 13:48
  the
• 13:48
  entire
• 13:49
  history
• 13:49
  of
• 13:49
  the
• 13:50
  faith,
• 13:50
  I
• 13:50
  would
• 13:50
  say
• 13:51
  since
• 13:51
  Rome
• 13:52
  co,
• 13:52
  opted,
• 13:53
  let's
• 13:53
  go
• 13:53
  back
• 13:54
  to
• 13:54
  the
• 13:54
  Crusades.
• 13:54
  The
• 13:55
  Crusades
• 13:55
  is
• 13:55
  a
• 13:55
  great
• 13:55
  example
• 13:56
  of
• 13:56
  the
• 13:56
  beginning
• 13:57
  of
• 13:57
  doing
• 13:58
  the
• 13:58
  opposite
• 13:58
  of
• 13:59
  what
• 13:59
  Christ
• 13:59
  commands
• 14:00
  for
• 14:00
  Christ.
• 14:01
  You
• 14:02
  know,
• 14:02
  we're
• 14:02
  going
• 14:02
  to
• 14:02
  go
• 14:02
  slaughter
• 14:03
  Muslims
• 14:04
  and
• 14:04
  pagans
• 14:04
  and
• 14:05
  Jews
• 14:05
  and
• 14:05
  steal
• 14:06
  land
• 14:07
  for
• 14:07
  Jesus.
• 14:08
  Right?
• 14:08
  We're
• 14:08
  going
• 14:09
  to
• 14:09
  doctrine
• 14:09
  of
• 14:09
  discovery.
• 14:10
  The
• 14:10
  Vatican
• 14:11
  does
• 14:11
  the
• 14:11
  most
• 14:11
  unholy
• 14:12
  thing.
• 14:12
  Go
• 14:12
  out
• 14:12
  there
• 14:12
  and
• 14:13
  subdue
• 14:13
  and
• 14:13
  subjugate
• 14:14
  people
• 14:14
  and
• 14:14
  steal
• 14:14
  their
• 14:15
  resources,
• 14:15
  bring
• 14:15
  them
• 14:16
  back
• 14:16
  here,
• 14:17
  but
• 14:17
  do
• 14:17
  it
• 14:17
  for
• 14:17
  Jesus.
• 14:18
  Put
• 14:18
  up
• 14:18
  a
• 14:18
  lot
• 14:18
  of
• 14:18
  crosses
• 14:19
  and
• 14:19
  convert
• 14:20
  them,
• 14:20
  you
• 14:20
  know,
• 14:21
  and
• 14:21
  as
• 14:21
  we
• 14:21
  learn
• 14:22
  from
• 14:22
  slavery
• 14:22
  in
• 14:23
  Indian
• 14:23
  boarding
• 14:24
  schools,
• 14:24
  being
• 14:25
  saved
• 14:25
  didn't
• 14:25
  save
• 14:26
  anybody.
• 14:26
  You
• 14:26
  can
• 14:27
  easily
• 14:27
  look
• 14:27
  at
• 14:28
  the
• 14:28
  long,
• 14:28
  bloody,
• 14:29
  brutal
• 14:30
  history
• 14:30
  of
• 14:30
  authoritarian
• 14:31
  Christianity
• 14:32
  and
• 14:32
  many
• 14:32
  atheists
• 14:33
  do
• 14:33
  and
• 14:33
  say
• 14:33
  that's
• 14:34
  what
• 14:34
  the
• 14:34
  faith
• 14:34
  really
• 14:34
  is
• 14:35
  and
• 14:36
  maybe
• 14:36
  that's
• 14:36
  what
• 14:36
  Christianity
• 14:37
  is,
• 14:37
  but
• 14:38
  that's
• 14:38
  not
• 14:38
  Christ
• 14:39
  followers.
• 14:40
  And
• 14:40
  I
• 14:40
  say
• 14:40
  that
• 14:41
  throughout
• 14:41
  the
• 14:41
  entire
• 14:41
  history
• 14:42
  of
• 14:42
  the
• 14:42
  faith,
• 14:44
  it's
• 14:44
  always
• 14:44
  been
• 14:45
  the
• 14:45
  Christ
• 14:45
  followers
• 14:46
  pushing
• 14:47
  back
• 14:48
  against
• 14:48
  authoritarian
• 14:49
  Christianity.
• 14:50
  Saint
• 14:50
  Francis
• 14:51
  of
• 14:51
  Assisi
• 14:52
  leaving
• 14:52
  the
• 14:52
  Crusades,
• 14:53
  renouncing
• 14:53
  violence,
• 14:54
  walking
• 14:54
  unarmed
• 14:55
  through
• 14:55
  a
• 14:55
  War
• 14:55
  zone
• 14:55
  to
• 14:56
  host
• 14:56
  peace
• 14:56
  talks.
• 14:57
  Bartolomeo
• 14:58
  de
• 14:58
  las
• 14:58
  Casas,
• 14:59
  the
• 14:59
  Catholic
• 15:00
  priest
• 15:00
  on
• 15:00
  Columbus
• 15:01
  third
• 15:01
  voyage
• 15:02
  committing
• 15:02
  one
• 15:02
  of
• 15:02
  the
• 15:03
  first
• 15:03
  acts
• 15:03
  of
• 15:03
  protest
• 15:04
  by
• 15:04
  a
• 15:04
  white
• 15:04
  person
• 15:05
  in
• 15:05
  this
• 15:05
  hemisphere,
• 15:06
  writing
• 15:06
  to
• 15:06
  the
• 15:06
  Queen
• 15:07
  to
• 15:07
  protest
• 15:08
  what
• 15:08
  Columbus
• 15:09
  was
• 15:09
  doing
• 15:09
  to
• 15:09
  the
• 15:09
  Taino
• 15:10
  people.
• 15:10
  You
• 15:11
  know,
• 15:11
  they
• 15:11
  knew
• 15:11
  back
• 15:11
  then
• 15:12
  it
• 15:12
  was
• 15:12
  wrong.
• 15:13
  Look
• 15:13
  at
• 15:13
  how
• 15:14
  American
• 15:14
  slavery
• 15:15
  was
• 15:15
  propped
• 15:16
  up
• 15:16
  by
• 15:16
  Christianity
• 15:17
  and
• 15:17
  bastardizing
• 15:18
  the
• 15:18
  story
• 15:19
  of
• 15:19
  ham
• 15:19
  in
• 15:20
  Noah.
• 15:20
  But
• 15:21
  it
• 15:21
  was
• 15:21
  Christ
• 15:21
  followers
• 15:22
  like
• 15:22
  Frederick
• 15:22
  Douglass
• 15:22
  and
• 15:23
  the
• 15:23
  Quakers
• 15:23
  and
• 15:23
  Harriet
• 15:24
  Tubman
• 15:24
  who
• 15:24
  resisted.
• 15:25
  Look
• 15:25
  at
• 15:26
  segregation
• 15:26
  propped
• 15:27
  up
• 15:27
  by
• 15:27
  Christianity.
• 15:28
  Reverend
• 15:29
  Dr.
• 15:29
  Martin
• 15:29
  Luther
• 15:29
  King,
• 15:30
  Baptist
• 15:30
  Ebbedeser
• 15:31
  Baptist
• 15:31
  Church
• 15:31
  uses
• 15:32
  scripture
• 15:32
  in
• 15:32
  non
• 15:33
  violence
• 15:33
  to
• 15:34
  shame
• 15:34
  white
• 15:35
  Christian
• 15:35
  America
• 15:36
  out
• 15:36
  of
• 15:36
  this
• 15:37
  American
• 15:37
  apartheid.
• 15:38
  Hitler,
• 15:38
  the
• 15:38
  greatest
• 15:39
  Christian
• 15:39
  nationalist
• 15:39
  of
• 15:40
  all
• 15:40
  time.
• 15:40
  And
• 15:40
  Diedrich
• 15:41
  Bonhoeffer
• 15:41
  is
• 15:42
  one
• 15:42
  of
• 15:42
  the
• 15:42
  martyrs
• 15:42
  who
• 15:42
  gives
• 15:43
  his
• 15:43
  life
• 15:43
  as
• 15:43
  a
• 15:43
  Christ
• 15:44
  follower
• 15:45
  against
• 15:45
  Christian
• 15:46
  nationalism.
• 15:47
  Look
• 15:47
  at
• 15:47
  how
• 15:47
  many
• 15:47
  of
• 15:48
  us
• 15:48
  have
• 15:48
  talked
• 15:49
  so
• 15:49
  many
• 15:49
  parents
• 15:49
  and
• 15:49
  grandparents
• 15:50
  out
• 15:50
  of
• 15:50
  so
• 15:50
  much
• 15:51
  homophobia
• 15:52
  in
• 15:52
  the
• 15:52
  last
• 15:52
  20
• 15:53
  years.
• 15:53
  There's
• 15:54
  an
• 15:54
  incredibly
• 15:54
  inspiring
• 15:55
  history
• 15:55
  of
• 15:55
  Christian
• 15:56
  activism
• 15:56
  in
• 15:57
  this
• 15:57
  world
• 15:57
  and
• 15:58
  it's
• 15:58
  almost
• 15:58
  always
• 15:59
  in
• 15:59
  resistance
• 16:00
  to
• 16:00
  Christian
• 16:01
  authoritarianism.
• 16:02
  And
• 16:02
  I
• 16:02
  understand
• 16:03
  why
• 16:03
  it's
• 16:04
  so
• 16:04
  strange
• 16:04
  for
• 16:04
  so
• 16:05
  many
• 16:05
  people
• 16:05
  to
• 16:06
  look
• 16:06
  at
• 16:06
  the
• 16:06
  Falwells,
• 16:07
  to
• 16:07
  look
• 16:07
  at
• 16:07
  the
• 16:07
  turning
• 16:07
  point
• 16:08
  USA
• 16:08
  people
• 16:08
  to
• 16:09
  look
• 16:09
  at
• 16:09
  the
• 16:09
  Donald
• 16:09
  Trumps
• 16:10
  and
• 16:10
  say
• 16:10
  this
• 16:10
  is
• 16:10
  my
• 16:11
  religion,
• 16:11
  I
• 16:11
  was
• 16:11
  raised
• 16:11
  in.
• 16:12
  And
• 16:12
  sometimes
• 16:13
  you
• 16:13
  got
• 16:13
  to
• 16:13
  separate
• 16:14
  the
• 16:14
  authoritarian
• 16:15
  Christians
• 16:16
  from
• 16:16
  the
• 16:16
  actual
• 16:17
  Jesus
• 16:17
  followers.
• 16:18
  And
• 16:18
  you
• 16:18
  do
• 16:18
  that
• 16:19
  very
• 16:19
  well
• 16:19
  in
• 16:19
  this
• 16:19
  book.
• 16:20
  This
• 16:20
  is
• 16:20
  not
• 16:20
  a
• 16:20
  rant
• 16:21
  or
• 16:21
  bagging
• 16:21
  on
• 16:21
  all
• 16:21
  Christians.
• 16:22
  No,
• 16:22
  they're
• 16:23
  saying
• 16:23
  that
• 16:23
  there's
• 16:24
  been
• 16:24
  so
• 16:24
  much
• 16:24
  good
• 16:25
  stuff,
• 16:25
  but
• 16:25
  this
• 16:25
  is
• 16:25
  the
• 16:26
  stuff
• 16:26
  that's
• 16:26
  in
• 16:26
  the
• 16:26
  air
• 16:27
  now
• 16:27
  and
• 16:27
  has
• 16:27
  really
• 16:28
  led
• 16:28
  us
• 16:28
  astray.
• 16:28
  And
• 16:29
  just
• 16:29
  I
• 16:29
  go
• 16:30
  after
• 16:30
  fundamentalists
• 16:30
  of
• 16:31
  all
• 16:31
  religions.
• 16:31
  I,
• 16:31
  I
• 16:31
  like,
• 16:32
  I
• 16:32
  go
• 16:32
  after
• 16:32
  fundamentalists
• 16:33
  because
• 16:33
  they're
• 16:34
  the
• 16:34
  same
• 16:34
  people
• 16:34
  ruining
• 16:35
  Christianity,
• 16:35
  are
• 16:36
  ruining
• 16:36
  Islam,
• 16:36
  ruining
• 16:37
  Judaism,
• 16:37
  turning
• 16:37
  people
• 16:38
  off
• 16:38
  to
• 16:38
  faith.
• 16:38
  And
• 16:39
  you,
• 16:39
  you
• 16:39
  say,
• 16:39
  you
• 16:39
  know,
• 16:39
  if
• 16:40
  you
• 16:40
  want
• 16:40
  to
• 16:40
  be
• 16:40
  a
• 16:40
  Jesus
• 16:41
  follower,
• 16:41
  a
• 16:41
  Christian,
• 16:42
  get
• 16:43
  a
• 16:43
  red
• 16:43
  letter
• 16:43
  edition
• 16:44
  of
• 16:44
  the
• 16:44
  Bible
• 16:45
  in
• 16:45
  the
• 16:45
  New
• 16:45
  Testament.
• 16:46
  It
• 16:46
  has
• 16:46
  all
• 16:46
  the
• 16:46
  words
• 16:46
  that
• 16:47
  Jesus
• 16:47
  actually
• 16:47
  said
• 16:48
  in
• 16:48
  red
• 16:48
  letters.
• 16:49
  So,
• 16:50
  and
• 16:50
  you,
• 16:51
  you
• 16:51
  talked
• 16:51
  about
• 16:52
  how
• 16:52
  Paul
• 16:53
  kind
• 16:53
  of
• 16:53
  grabbed
• 16:54
  the
• 16:54
  whole
• 16:54
  thing
• 16:55
  and
• 16:55
  ran
• 16:55
  off
• 16:55
  with
• 16:55
  it.
• 16:56
  And
• 16:56
  most
• 16:56
  of
• 16:57
  the
• 16:57
  hateful
• 16:57
  stuff
• 16:58
  that
• 16:58
  we
• 16:58
  get
• 16:59
  in
• 16:59
  the
• 16:59
  Bible,
• 16:59
  it's
• 17:00
  not
• 17:00
  the
• 17:00
  fundamentalists
• 17:01
  quoting
• 17:01
  Jesus.
• 17:02
  Correct.
• 17:03
  But
• 17:03
  they're
• 17:04
  quoting
• 17:04
  Paul.
• 17:04
  And
• 17:04
  Paul
• 17:05
  had
• 17:05
  some
• 17:06
  issues.
• 17:07
  I,
• 17:08
  I
• 17:08
  really
• 17:08
  had
• 17:08
  some
• 17:09
  real
• 17:09
  problems
• 17:10
  reading
• 17:10
  him.
• 17:10
  And
• 17:11
  sometimes
• 17:11
  as
• 17:12
  you
• 17:12
  bring
• 17:12
  out
• 17:12
  in
• 17:12
  the
• 17:12
  book,
• 17:12
  you
• 17:13
  know,
• 17:13
  First
• 17:13
  Corinthians
• 17:13
  13,
• 17:14
  it's
• 17:14
  brilliant
• 17:15
  piece.
• 17:15
  But
• 17:15
  then
• 17:15
  there's
• 17:16
  his
• 17:17
  hang
• 17:17
  ups.
• 17:18
  And
• 17:18
  then
• 17:19
  he
• 17:19
  said,
• 17:19
  because
• 17:20
  we
• 17:20
  interpreted
• 17:21
  everything
• 17:21
  he
• 17:21
  wrote
• 17:22
  as
• 17:22
  the
• 17:23
  revealed
• 17:24
  word
• 17:24
  of
• 17:24
  God.
• 17:25
  So
• 17:25
  then
• 17:25
  as
• 17:25
  Anti
• 17:26
  woman,
• 17:26
  anti
• 17:27
  gay,
• 17:27
  anti
• 17:28
  this.
• 17:28
  We
• 17:29
  inherited
• 17:29
  it
• 17:29
  and
• 17:30
  we
• 17:30
  weren't
• 17:30
  able
• 17:31
  to
• 17:31
  separate
• 17:31
  it.
• 17:32
  And
• 17:32
  I
• 17:32
  think,
• 17:33
  I
• 17:33
  think
• 17:33
  you
• 17:33
  just
• 17:33
  do
• 17:34
  a
• 17:34
  beautiful
• 17:34
  job
• 17:35
  in
• 17:35
  just
• 17:35
  separating
• 17:36
  the
• 17:36
  junk
• 17:37
  out
• 17:37
  there
• 17:37
  and
• 17:37
  it
• 17:38
  inspires
• 17:39
  you
• 17:39
  to
• 17:39
  actually
• 17:40
  be
• 17:40
  a
• 17:40
  Christian
• 17:40
  again.
• 17:41
  Oh
• 17:41
  Lord,
• 17:41
  thank
• 17:42
  you
• 17:42
  for
• 17:42
  that.
• 17:42
  I
• 17:42
  mean,
• 17:43
  I've
• 17:43
  gotten
• 17:43
  a
• 17:43
  bit
• 17:43
  of
• 17:44
  heat
• 17:44
  about
• 17:44
  my
• 17:44
  comments
• 17:45
  on
• 17:45
  Paul
• 17:45
  and
• 17:45
  I
• 17:46
  want
• 17:46
  to
• 17:46
  stress
• 17:46
  it's
• 17:46
  not
• 17:47
  an
• 17:47
  anti
• 17:47
  Paul
• 17:48
  book
• 17:48
  at
• 17:48
  all.
• 17:49
  I
• 17:49
  realized
• 17:49
  in
• 17:49
  writing
• 17:49
  it
• 17:50
  I
• 17:50
  didn't
• 17:50
  want
• 17:50
  to
• 17:50
  write
• 17:50
  a
• 17:51
  whole
• 17:51
  chapter
• 17:51
  on
• 17:51
  St.
• 17:52
  Paul,
• 17:52
  but
• 17:52
  I
• 17:52
  realized,
• 17:53
  I'm
• 17:53
  sure
• 17:53
  you
• 17:53
  gentlemen
• 17:54
  know
• 17:54
  you
• 17:54
  can't
• 17:54
  tell
• 17:54
  the
• 17:54
  story
• 17:55
  of
• 17:55
  how
• 17:56
  Christianity
• 17:56
  began
• 17:57
  and
• 17:57
  how
• 17:57
  it
• 17:57
  got
• 17:57
  to
• 17:58
  where
• 17:58
  it
• 17:58
  is
• 17:58
  now
• 17:59
  without
• 17:59
  doing
• 17:59
  a
• 18:00
  deep
• 18:00
  dive
• 18:00
  on
• 18:00
  Saul
• 18:01
  of
• 18:01
  Tarsus.
• 18:01
  And
• 18:02
  you
• 18:02
  know,
• 18:02
  I
• 18:03
  give
• 18:03
  Paul
• 18:03
  a
• 18:03
  lot
• 18:03
  of
• 18:04
  slack.
• 18:04
  I
• 18:04
  don't
• 18:04
  think
• 18:05
  he
• 18:05
  realized
• 18:06
  what
• 18:06
  was
• 18:06
  going
• 18:06
  to
• 18:07
  happen
• 18:07
  with
• 18:07
  his
• 18:07
  letters
• 18:08
  he
• 18:08
  was
• 18:08
  sending
• 18:08
  to
• 18:08
  set
• 18:09
  up
• 18:09
  the
• 18:09
  early
• 18:09
  church.
• 18:10
  But
• 18:11
  it's
• 18:11
  very
• 18:11
  important
• 18:12
  we
• 18:12
  know
• 18:12
  the
• 18:12
  story
• 18:13
  that
• 18:13
  he
• 18:13
  was
• 18:13
  a
• 18:13
  persecutor
• 18:14
  of
• 18:14
  Christians.
• 18:14
  He
• 18:14
  was
• 18:15
  present
• 18:15
  for
• 18:15
  the
• 18:16
  martyrdom
• 18:16
  of
• 18:16
  St.
• 18:17
  Stephen.
• 18:17
  He
• 18:18
  was
• 18:18
  harassing
• 18:19
  and
• 18:20
  really
• 18:20
  good
• 18:20
  at
• 18:21
  catching
• 18:21
  Christians
• 18:22
  and
• 18:22
  making
• 18:22
  their
• 18:22
  lives
• 18:23
  hell.
• 18:23
  And
• 18:24
  that's
• 18:24
  why
• 18:24
  they
• 18:24
  began
• 18:24
  sending
• 18:25
  him
• 18:25
  out.
• 18:25
  And
• 18:25
  that's
• 18:25
  what
• 18:25
  Damascus
• 18:26
  was.
• 18:27
  And
• 18:27
  it's
• 18:27
  a
• 18:27
  great
• 18:27
  story
• 18:28
  I
• 18:28
  was
• 18:29
  never
• 18:29
  taught
• 18:29
  was
• 18:29
  that
• 18:29
  Paul
• 18:30
  was
• 18:30
  a
• 18:30
  Pharisee
• 18:31
  and
• 18:31
  Paul
• 18:31
  was
• 18:32
  a
• 18:32
  Roman
• 18:32
  citizen
• 18:33
  which
• 18:33
  allowed
• 18:34
  him
• 18:34
  to
• 18:34
  travel
• 18:35
  more
• 18:35
  freely
• 18:36
  through
• 18:36
  the
• 18:36
  empire
• 18:37
  and
• 18:38
  allowed
• 18:38
  him
• 18:38
  a
• 18:38
  lot
• 18:39
  of
• 18:39
  protection
• 18:39
  while
• 18:40
  his
• 18:40
  old
• 18:40
  buddies
• 18:41
  were
• 18:41
  murdering
• 18:42
  the
• 18:42
  actual
• 18:42
  apostles.
• 18:43
  So
• 18:44
  the
• 18:44
  apostles
• 18:44
  were
• 18:45
  all
• 18:45
  getting
• 18:45
  bumped
• 18:45
  off
• 18:46
  and
• 18:46
  Paul's
• 18:47
  version
• 18:48
  was
• 18:48
  the
• 18:48
  one
• 18:48
  that
• 18:48
  lasted.
• 18:49
  Paul
• 18:50
  was
• 18:50
  able
• 18:50
  to
• 18:50
  travel
• 18:51
  and
• 18:51
  sell
• 18:51
  his
• 18:52
  version
• 18:52
  of
• 18:52
  Christianity
• 18:53
  which
• 18:53
  was
• 18:53
  yeah,
• 18:53
  it's
• 18:54
  like
• 18:54
  Judaism
• 18:54
  but
• 18:55
  there's
• 18:55
  eternal
• 18:55
  forgiveness
• 18:56
  and
• 18:56
  you
• 18:56
  can
• 18:56
  have
• 18:56
  bacon
• 18:57
  and
• 18:57
  keep
• 18:57
  your
• 18:57
  foreskin.
• 18:58
  And
• 18:59
  that
• 18:59
  wound
• 18:59
  up
• 18:59
  being
• 19:00
  really
• 19:00
  good
• 19:00
  marketing.
• 19:01
  And
• 19:01
  the
• 19:01
  rate
• 19:02
  of
• 19:02
  conversion
• 19:02
  was
• 19:02
  astonishing.
• 19:03
  And
• 19:03
  within
• 19:03
  300
• 19:04
  years,
• 19:05
  the
• 19:06
  empire
• 19:06
  that
• 19:06
  killed
• 19:07
  Jesus
• 19:07
  took
• 19:07
  over
• 19:07
  his
• 19:08
  operation.
• 19:09
  And
• 19:09
  that's
• 19:10
  because
• 19:10
  of
• 19:10
  Paul's
• 19:10
  work.
• 19:11
  Again,
• 19:11
  the
• 19:11
  apostles,
• 19:12
  there's
• 19:12
  only
• 19:12
  like
• 19:13
  20
• 19:13
  people
• 19:13
  following
• 19:14
  Jesus
• 19:14
  at
• 19:14
  the
• 19:14
  time
• 19:14
  he
• 19:15
  died
• 19:15
  and
• 19:16
  most
• 19:16
  of
• 19:16
  them
• 19:16
  got
• 19:16
  knocked
• 19:17
  off.
• 19:17
  So
• 19:18
  Paul's
• 19:18
  version
• 19:18
  lasted.
• 19:19
  And
• 19:19
  Paul
• 19:20
  poured
• 19:20
  himself
• 19:21
  and
• 19:21
  all
• 19:21
  of
• 19:21
  his
• 19:22
  heart
• 19:22
  and
• 19:22
  soul
• 19:22
  and
• 19:23
  all
• 19:23
  of
• 19:23
  his
• 19:23
  sex
• 19:23
  hang
• 19:24
  ups
• 19:24
  into
• 19:24
  this,
• 19:25
  into
• 19:25
  his
• 19:25
  letters
• 19:26
  and
• 19:26
  just
• 19:27
  telling
• 19:27
  people
• 19:27
  how
• 19:27
  to
• 19:28
  set
• 19:28
  things
• 19:28
  up.
• 19:29
  So
• 19:29
  when
• 19:30
  he
• 19:30
  writes
• 19:30
  to
• 19:30
  Timothy
• 19:31
  and
• 19:31
  says
• 19:32
  all
• 19:32
  scriptures
• 19:32
  God
• 19:33
  breathed,
• 19:34
  he's
• 19:34
  talking
• 19:34
  about
• 19:34
  the
• 19:35
  Hebrew
• 19:35
  scriptures,
• 19:36
  he's
• 19:36
  not
• 19:36
  talking
• 19:37
  about
• 19:37
  the
• 19:37
  letter.
• 19:38
  He's
• 19:38
  writing
• 19:38
  to
• 19:38
  Timothy
• 19:39
  right
• 19:39
  now.
• 19:39
  This,
• 19:40
  he's
• 19:40
  not
• 19:40
  saying
• 19:41
  this
• 19:41
  letter
• 19:41
  is
• 19:41
  God
• 19:41
  breathed,
• 19:42
  Scripture's
• 19:43
  God
• 19:43
  breathed.
• 19:44
  So
• 19:44
  300
• 19:44
  years
• 19:45
  after
• 19:45
  he's
• 19:45
  gone
• 19:46
  and
• 19:46
  Rome
• 19:46
  killed
• 19:47
  him
• 19:47
  eventually,
• 19:47
  you
• 19:47
  know
• 19:48
  The
• 19:48
  Roman
• 19:48
  citizenry
• 19:49
  did
• 19:49
  not
• 19:49
  save
• 19:49
  him.
• 19:50
  Rome
• 19:50
  takes
• 19:51
  over
• 19:51
  Jesus's
• 19:52
  operation,
• 19:53
  not
• 19:53
  unlike
• 19:54
  how
• 19:54
  the
• 19:54
  Confederates
• 19:54
  took
• 19:55
  over
• 19:55
  the
• 19:55
  Republican
• 19:55
  Party.
• 19:56
  And
• 19:57
  suddenly
• 19:57
  Paul's
• 19:58
  letters
• 19:58
  about
• 19:58
  Holy
• 19:59
  Scripture
• 20:00
  are
• 20:00
  holy
• 20:01
  Scripture.
• 20:01
  And
• 20:02
  suddenly
• 20:02
  Paul's
• 20:02
  not
• 20:02
  talking
• 20:03
  about
• 20:03
  God.
• 20:03
  Paul's
• 20:04
  speaking
• 20:05
  for
• 20:05
  God.
• 20:06
  And
• 20:06
  suddenly
• 20:06
  for
• 20:07
  millions,
• 20:07
  Paul's
• 20:08
  hang
• 20:08
  ups
• 20:08
  about
• 20:08
  women
• 20:09
  being
• 20:09
  second
• 20:09
  class
• 20:09
  citizens
• 20:10
  are
• 20:11
  just
• 20:11
  as
• 20:11
  valid
• 20:12
  as
• 20:12
  Christ
• 20:13
  treating
• 20:13
  women
• 20:14
  as
• 20:14
  equals.
• 20:15
  And
• 20:15
  Paul's
• 20:16
  homophobia,
• 20:17
  which
• 20:17
  is
• 20:17
  a
• 20:17
  complete
• 20:17
  rejection
• 20:18
  of
• 20:18
  the
• 20:18
  Sermon
• 20:19
  on
• 20:19
  the
• 20:19
  Mount,
• 20:19
  is
• 20:20
  as
• 20:20
  valid
• 20:20
  as
• 20:21
  Christ's
• 20:21
  commandments
• 20:21
  to
• 20:22
  love.
• 20:22
  So
• 20:23
  it's
• 20:23
  in
• 20:23
  the
• 20:23
  New
• 20:23
  Testament,
• 20:25
  allows
• 20:25
  a
• 20:25
  lot
• 20:25
  of
• 20:25
  people
• 20:25
  to
• 20:26
  embrace
• 20:27
  certain
• 20:27
  deeply
• 20:27
  unchristlike
• 20:29
  positions.
• 20:29
  And
• 20:30
  again,
• 20:30
  Paul
• 20:30
  was
• 20:30
  doing
• 20:31
  the
• 20:31
  best
• 20:31
  he
• 20:31
  could.
• 20:31
  I
• 20:32
  think
• 20:32
  sometimes
• 20:32
  we're
• 20:32
  too
• 20:33
  hard
• 20:33
  on
• 20:33
  the
• 20:33
  guy
• 20:33
  because
• 20:34
  he
• 20:34
  didn't
• 20:34
  know.
• 20:34
  And
• 20:35
  in
• 20:35
  many
• 20:35
  ways
• 20:35
  Paul
• 20:35
  was
• 20:36
  advanced.
• 20:36
  You
• 20:36
  know,
• 20:37
  in
• 20:37
  some
• 20:37
  letters
• 20:37
  he
• 20:37
  says
• 20:38
  women
• 20:38
  can't
• 20:38
  speak
• 20:38
  in
• 20:38
  church
• 20:39
  and
• 20:39
  must
• 20:39
  be
• 20:40
  in
• 20:40
  submission.
• 20:41
  And
• 20:41
  then
• 20:41
  he
• 20:41
  makes
• 20:41
  Phoebe
• 20:42
  a
• 20:42
  deacon.
• 20:43
  So
• 20:43
  it's
• 20:44
  almost
• 20:44
  like
• 20:44
  he's
• 20:45
  writing
• 20:45
  different
• 20:45
  things
• 20:46
  for
• 20:46
  different
• 20:46
  audiences
• 20:47
  or
• 20:48
  different
• 20:48
  people.
• 20:48
  Wrote
• 20:49
  these
• 20:49
  letters
• 20:49
  over
• 20:49
  many,
• 20:50
  many
• 20:50
  years
• 20:50
  and
• 20:51
  signed
• 20:51
  it
• 20:51
  as
• 20:51
  Paul.
• 20:52
  But
• 20:52
  the
• 20:53
  thing
• 20:53
  is,
• 20:53
  Paul's
• 20:53
  not
• 20:54
  Jesus.
• 20:54
  And
• 20:54
  I
• 20:55
  say,
• 20:55
  I
• 20:55
  titled
• 20:56
  the
• 20:56
  chapter
• 20:56
  Paul
• 20:57
  Jesus's
• 20:58
  PR
• 20:58
  man
• 20:59
  who
• 20:59
  is
• 20:59
  not
• 20:59
  Jesus.
• 21:00
  A
• 21:00
  lot
• 21:01
  of
• 21:01
  theologians,
• 21:01
  including
• 21:02
  the
• 21:02
  great
• 21:02
  Bishop
• 21:02
  John
• 21:02
  Shelby
• 21:03
  Spong
• 21:03
  of
• 21:03
  the
• 21:04
  Diocese
• 21:04
  of
• 21:04
  Newark,
• 21:05
  have
• 21:05
  posited
• 21:06
  the
• 21:06
  theory
• 21:06
  that
• 21:06
  Paul
• 21:06
  was
• 21:07
  a
• 21:07
  closeted
• 21:07
  gay
• 21:07
  man
• 21:07
  in
• 21:08
  the
• 21:08
  first
• 21:08
  century
• 21:08
  Holy
• 21:09
  Land.
• 21:09
  And
• 21:09
  I
• 21:10
  thought
• 21:10
  that
• 21:10
  on
• 21:10
  my
• 21:11
  own.
• 21:11
  Right,
• 21:12
  yeah.
• 21:12
  I've
• 21:12
  read
• 21:13
  it
• 21:13
  all
• 21:13
  over.
• 21:13
  And
• 21:13
  when
• 21:13
  you
• 21:13
  read
• 21:14
  the
• 21:14
  letters
• 21:14
  with
• 21:14
  that
• 21:14
  in
• 21:15
  mind,
• 21:15
  it
• 21:15
  makes
• 21:16
  a
• 21:16
  lot
• 21:16
  of
• 21:16
  sense
• 21:16
  because
• 21:17
  Paul
• 21:17
  didn't
• 21:17
  like
• 21:18
  straight
• 21:18
  sex
• 21:18
  either.
• 21:19
  Paul
• 21:19
  just
• 21:19
  thought
• 21:19
  the
• 21:19
  body's
• 21:20
  bad
• 21:20
  and
• 21:21
  thought
• 21:21
  everybody
• 21:21
  should
• 21:22
  be
• 21:22
  celibate
• 21:22
  like
• 21:22
  him.
• 21:23
  So
• 21:24
  with
• 21:24
  compassion
• 21:25
  to
• 21:25
  Paul
• 21:26
  and
• 21:26
  there's
• 21:26
  so
• 21:26
  much
• 21:27
  beautiful
• 21:27
  language
• 21:27
  and
• 21:27
  so
• 21:28
  much
• 21:28
  that
• 21:28
  he
• 21:28
  writes
• 21:29
  about
• 21:29
  love.
• 21:29
  That's
• 21:29
  very
• 21:30
  valuable.
• 21:30
  But
• 21:30
  there's
• 21:31
  a
• 21:31
  reason
• 21:32
  right
• 21:32
  wing
• 21:33
  mean
• 21:33
  Christians
• 21:33
  quote
• 21:34
  Paul
• 21:35
  a
• 21:35
  lot
• 21:35
  more
• 21:36
  than
• 21:36
  they
• 21:36
  quote
• 21:37
  Jesus.
• 21:37
  And
• 21:38
  it's
• 21:38
  astonishing
• 21:39
  how
• 21:39
  many
• 21:39
  woman
• 21:39
  haters
• 21:40
  and
• 21:40
  homophobes
• 21:41
  believe
• 21:41
  Corinthians
• 21:42
  and
• 21:42
  Romans
• 21:43
  and
• 21:43
  Timothy
• 21:44
  are
• 21:44
  Jesus
• 21:45
  talking,
• 21:46
  not
• 21:47
  this
• 21:47
  guy
• 21:48
  that
• 21:48
  never
• 21:49
  actually
• 21:49
  knew
• 21:50
  Jesus
• 21:50
  while
• 21:50
  he
• 21:50
  was
• 21:50
  alive.
• 21:51
  And
• 21:51
  what
• 21:51
  did
• 21:51
  Jesus
• 21:52
  have
• 21:52
  to
• 21:52
  say
• 21:52
  about
• 21:52
  the
• 21:53
  religious
• 21:53
  hypocrites?
• 21:54
  I'm
• 21:54
  setting
• 21:54
  you
• 21:54
  up
• 21:54
  for
• 21:54
  this.
• 21:55
  Yeah.
• 21:56
  I
• 21:56
  mean,
• 21:56
  next
• 21:56
  to
• 21:56
  helping
• 21:56
  the
• 21:57
  poor,
• 21:57
  calling
• 21:57
  out
• 21:57
  the
• 21:57
  religious
• 21:58
  hypocrites
• 21:58
  was
• 21:58
  Jesus's
• 21:59
  favorite
• 21:59
  thing
• 21:59
  to
• 21:59
  do
• 21:59
  in
• 21:59
  live
• 22:00
  appearances.
• 22:01
  That's
• 22:01
  what
• 22:01
  enraged
• 22:01
  Jesus,
• 22:02
  not
• 22:03
  sexual
• 22:03
  behaviors.
• 22:04
  The
• 22:04
  only
• 22:05
  sexual
• 22:05
  behaviors
• 22:06
  Jesus
• 22:06
  ever
• 22:06
  gets
• 22:07
  upset
• 22:07
  about
• 22:07
  are
• 22:08
  dumping
• 22:08
  your
• 22:09
  wife
• 22:09
  and
• 22:10
  adultery.
• 22:11
  That's
• 22:12
  it.
• 22:12
  You
• 22:13
  know,
• 22:13
  I
• 22:13
  mean,
• 22:13
  there
• 22:14
  are
• 22:14
  so
• 22:14
  many
• 22:14
  prohibitions
• 22:15
  against
• 22:15
  women
• 22:15
  in
• 22:16
  society.
• 22:16
  And
• 22:16
  Jesus
• 22:16
  knocks
• 22:17
  them
• 22:17
  all
• 22:17
  down.
• 22:18
  When
• 22:18
  a
• 22:18
  woman
• 22:18
  is
• 22:19
  being
• 22:19
  slut
• 22:19
  shamed
• 22:19
  in
• 22:20
  his
• 22:20
  presence,
• 22:20
  he
• 22:20
  is
• 22:20
  not
• 22:21
  interested
• 22:22
  in
• 22:22
  making
• 22:22
  the
• 22:22
  woman
• 22:22
  feel
• 22:23
  bad
• 22:23
  about
• 22:23
  it.
• 22:23
  He
• 22:24
  knows
• 22:24
  she
• 22:24
  feels
• 22:24
  bad
• 22:24
  and
• 22:25
  he's
• 22:25
  about
• 22:25
  the
• 22:25
  forgiveness.
• 22:26
  Jesus
• 22:26
  is
• 22:26
  not
• 22:27
  about
• 22:27
  condemnation
• 22:28
  or
• 22:28
  domination.
• 22:29
  His
• 22:29
  whole
• 22:30
  movement
• 22:30
  is
• 22:30
  about
• 22:30
  transformation.
• 22:31
  And
• 22:31
  that's
• 22:31
  what's
• 22:32
  so
• 22:32
  beautiful
• 22:32
  about
• 22:32
  it.
• 22:33
  Yeah.
• 22:34
  And
• 22:34
  I
• 22:34
  would
• 22:34
  just
• 22:34
  add
• 22:34
  one
• 22:35
  thing
• 22:35
  there,
• 22:35
  John.
• 22:36
  You
• 22:36
  emphasize
• 22:37
  transformation.
• 22:38
  I
• 22:38
  would
• 22:38
  agree
• 22:38
  completely.
• 22:39
  But
• 22:40
  also
• 22:40
  say
• 22:40
  transcendence.
• 22:41
  Yes,
• 22:42
  sir.
• 22:42
  Yeah.
• 22:43
  And
• 22:44
  they're
• 22:44
  related,
• 22:44
  but
• 22:45
  I
• 22:45
  think
• 22:45
  distinct.
• 22:46
  And
• 22:46
  so
• 22:47
  there's
• 22:47
  this
• 22:48
  profound
• 22:49
  call
• 22:50
  to
• 22:51
  a
• 22:51
  moral
• 22:52
  transformation
• 22:53
  and
• 22:53
  a,
• 22:54
  a
• 22:54
  spiritual
• 22:55
  awakening
• 22:55
  or
• 22:55
  transcendence
• 22:56
  in
• 22:56
  the
• 22:57
  words
• 22:57
  of
• 22:57
  Jesus.
• 22:57
  And
• 22:58
  clearly
• 22:59
  this
• 22:59
  guy
• 23:00
  has
• 23:00
  something.
• 23:01
  I
• 23:01
  mean
• 23:01
  there's,
• 23:03
  I
• 23:03
  sometimes
• 23:04
  have
• 23:04
  gone
• 23:04
  through
• 23:04
  and
• 23:04
  just
• 23:05
  looked
• 23:05
  at
• 23:05
  the
• 23:05
  more
• 23:05
  mystical
• 23:06
  sayings.
• 23:07
  It's
• 23:07
  like,
• 23:08
  wow,
• 23:08
  okay,
• 23:09
  this
• 23:09
  is.
• 23:10
  Yeah,
• 23:11
  yeah.
• 23:11
  I
• 23:11
  mean,
• 23:11
  the
• 23:12
  greatest
• 23:12
  thing
• 23:12
  about
• 23:13
  Jesus
• 23:13
  is
• 23:14
  that
• 23:15
  his
• 23:16
  teachings
• 23:17
  are
• 23:17
  as
• 23:17
  threatening
• 23:18
  to
• 23:18
  authoritarian
• 23:19
  power
• 23:19
  now
• 23:19
  as
• 23:19
  they
• 23:20
  were
• 23:20
  2,000
• 23:21
  years
• 23:21
  ago.
• 23:21
  But
• 23:21
  also
• 23:23
  there's
• 23:23
  just
• 23:23
  so
• 23:24
  much
• 23:24
  that
• 23:24
  can.
• 23:25
  Endless
• 23:25
  discoveries
• 23:26
  to
• 23:26
  be
• 23:26
  made
• 23:27
  in
• 23:27
  the
• 23:27
  depths
• 23:28
  of
• 23:28
  his
• 23:28
  love
• 23:28
  and
• 23:28
  compassion.
• 23:29
  I
• 23:29
  mean,
• 23:29
  I
• 23:29
  get,
• 23:30
  you
• 23:30
  know,
• 23:30
  for
• 23:30
  me,
• 23:31
  it's
• 23:31
  like
• 23:31
  listening
• 23:31
  to
• 23:31
  a
• 23:32
  great
• 23:32
  Bob
• 23:32
  Dylan
• 23:33
  record
• 23:33
  and
• 23:33
  I'll
• 23:33
  get
• 23:33
  more
• 23:33
  out
• 23:33
  of
• 23:34
  it
• 23:34
  every
• 23:34
  time
• 23:34
  I
• 23:34
  read
• 23:34
  it.
• 23:35
  Yeah.
• 23:35
  And
• 23:35
  I
• 23:36
  think
• 23:36
  that's
• 23:36
  one
• 23:36
  of
• 23:36
  the
• 23:36
  hallmarks
• 23:37
  of
• 23:37
  a
• 23:37
  profound
• 23:38
  person
• 23:39
  and
• 23:39
  text,
• 23:40
  that
• 23:40
  you
• 23:41
  can
• 23:41
  go
• 23:41
  back
• 23:41
  to
• 23:41
  it
• 23:41
  and
• 23:41
  it's
• 23:42
  like,
• 23:42
  where
• 23:42
  was
• 23:42
  I
• 23:42
  the
• 23:42
  last
• 23:43
  time
• 23:43
  I
• 23:43
  read
• 23:43
  this?
• 23:45
  Yeah,
• 23:45
  for
• 23:46
  me
• 23:46
  too.
• 23:47
  And
• 23:47
  that's
• 23:48
  why
• 23:48
  I
• 23:48
  wrote
• 23:48
  it.
• 23:48
  Outrageously
• 23:49
  pro
• 23:49
  Jesus
• 23:50
  book.
• 23:50
  And
• 23:51
  I
• 23:51
  meet
• 23:51
  so
• 23:51
  many
• 23:51
  young
• 23:51
  people
• 23:52
  who
• 23:52
  just
• 23:52
  don't
• 23:53
  understand.
• 23:53
  And
• 23:53
  I
• 23:53
  just
• 23:53
  want
• 23:54
  to
• 23:54
  say
• 23:54
  it's
• 23:55
  not
• 23:55
  Jesus,
• 23:55
  it's
• 23:55
  his
• 23:56
  unauthorized
• 23:56
  fan
• 23:56
  clubs.
• 23:57
  And
• 23:57
  a
• 23:57
  lot
• 23:58
  of
• 23:58
  these
• 23:58
  fan
• 23:58
  clubs
• 23:58
  don't
• 23:59
  have
• 23:59
  anything
• 23:59
  to
• 24:00
  do
• 24:00
  with
• 24:00
  Jesus.
• 24:01
  Right
• 24:01
  wing
• 24:01
  Christianity
• 24:03
  does
• 24:03
  not
• 24:03
  care
• 24:04
  about
• 24:05
  the
• 24:05
  teachings
• 24:05
  or
• 24:06
  commandments
• 24:06
  of
• 24:06
  Christ.
• 24:07
  They
• 24:07
  don't
• 24:07
  care
• 24:08
  about
• 24:08
  God,
• 24:08
  they
• 24:09
  don't
• 24:09
  care
• 24:09
  about
• 24:09
  religious
• 24:10
  freedom.
• 24:10
  They
• 24:11
  don't
• 24:11
  care
• 24:11
  about
• 24:11
  fighting
• 24:11
  Satan.
• 24:12
  They
• 24:13
  care
• 24:13
  about
• 24:13
  conservative
• 24:14
  Christian
• 24:14
  power.
• 24:15
  That's
• 24:16
  what
• 24:16
  they
• 24:16
  fight
• 24:16
  for.
• 24:17
  And
• 24:17
  they
• 24:17
  will
• 24:17
  use
• 24:17
  the
• 24:17
  Bible,
• 24:18
  use
• 24:18
  Jesus.
• 24:18
  They
• 24:19
  will
• 24:19
  wave
• 24:19
  Jesus
• 24:20
  around
• 24:20
  like
• 24:20
  a
• 24:20
  prop
• 24:21
  while
• 24:21
  legislating
• 24:22
  against
• 24:22
  his
• 24:23
  actual
• 24:23
  teachings.
• 24:23
  And
• 24:24
  this
• 24:24
  has
• 24:24
  alienated
• 24:25
  so
• 24:25
  many
• 24:26
  millions
• 24:26
  from
• 24:27
  even
• 24:27
  the
• 24:27
  concept
• 24:27
  of
• 24:28
  belief.
• 24:29
  And
• 24:29
  that's
• 24:29
  why
• 24:29
  it
• 24:29
  was
• 24:30
  so
• 24:30
  important
• 24:30
  to
• 24:30
  me
• 24:30
  to
• 24:30
  write
• 24:31
  it.
• 24:31
  Because
• 24:31
  they
• 24:31
  don't
• 24:32
  own
• 24:32
  God,
• 24:32
  they
• 24:33
  don't
• 24:33
  own
• 24:33
  religion,
• 24:34
  they
• 24:34
  don't
• 24:34
  own
• 24:34
  faith,
• 24:35
  they
• 24:35
  don't
• 24:35
  own
• 24:35
  Jesus,
• 24:36
  they
• 24:36
  don't
• 24:36
  own
• 24:37
  America
• 24:37
  and
• 24:37
  they
• 24:38
  don't
• 24:38
  own
• 24:38
  you.
• 24:39
  And
• 24:39
  so
• 24:40
  I
• 24:40
  just
• 24:40
  wanted,
• 24:41
  when
• 24:41
  I
• 24:41
  was
• 24:41
  17,
• 24:42
  trying
• 24:42
  to
• 24:42
  understand
• 24:44
  how
• 24:45
  I
• 24:46
  knew
• 24:46
  gay
• 24:46
  people.
• 24:46
  I
• 24:47
  worked
• 24:47
  in
• 24:47
  theater
• 24:48
  and
• 24:48
  yet
• 24:48
  my
• 24:49
  church
• 24:49
  told
• 24:49
  me
• 24:49
  that
• 24:49
  they
• 24:50
  were
• 24:50
  evil
• 24:50
  and
• 24:50
  sinners.
• 24:51
  And
• 24:51
  I
• 24:51
  knew
• 24:51
  they
• 24:52
  were
• 24:52
  good
• 24:52
  people.
• 24:52
  I
• 24:53
  knew
• 24:53
  they
• 24:53
  were
• 24:53
  Christlike
• 24:54
  people.
• 24:54
  I
• 24:54
  knew
• 24:54
  gay
• 24:55
  men
• 24:55
  who
• 24:55
  were
• 24:55
  better
• 24:56
  Christians
• 24:56
  than
• 24:57
  many
• 24:57
  of
• 24:57
  the
• 24:57
  Christians
• 24:58
  I
• 24:58
  knew.
• 24:58
  And
• 24:58
  I
• 24:59
  didn't
• 24:59
  understand.
• 25:00
  And
• 25:00
  I
• 25:00
  felt
• 25:00
  like
• 25:01
  Huckleberry
• 25:01
  Finn,
• 25:02
  you
• 25:02
  know,
• 25:02
  reading
• 25:03
  the
• 25:03
  letter
• 25:03
  about
• 25:03
  returning
• 25:04
  Jim
• 25:04
  and
• 25:04
  like,
• 25:04
  okay,
• 25:05
  I'll
• 25:05
  go
• 25:05
  to
• 25:05
  hell
• 25:05
  then.
• 25:06
  Fine,
• 25:06
  I'll
• 25:06
  go
• 25:06
  to
• 25:06
  hell
• 25:06
  for
• 25:07
  him
• 25:07
  if
• 25:07
  that's
• 25:07
  what
• 25:07
  hell
• 25:07
  means.
• 25:08
  And
• 25:08
  the
• 25:09
  reality
• 25:09
  is
• 25:09
  no
• 25:10
  religion
• 25:10
  lied
• 25:11
  to
• 25:11
  you.
• 25:11
  People
• 25:12
  who
• 25:12
  don't
• 25:12
  know
• 25:12
  the
• 25:13
  Bible
• 25:13
  very
• 25:13
  well
• 25:13
  but
• 25:13
  use
• 25:14
  it
• 25:14
  to
• 25:14
  get
• 25:14
  power
• 25:15
  lied
• 25:15
  to
• 25:15
  you.
• 25:16
  And
• 25:16
  for
• 25:16
  so
• 25:17
  many
• 25:17
  of
• 25:17
  our
• 25:17
  racist
• 25:18
  loved
• 25:18
  ones
• 25:18
  who
• 25:19
  think
• 25:19
  that
• 25:19
  that's
• 25:19
  part
• 25:19
  of
• 25:20
  Christianity,
• 25:20
  that's
• 25:21
  not
• 25:21
  because
• 25:21
  of
• 25:21
  Jesus
• 25:22
  or
• 25:22
  God.
• 25:22
  They
• 25:22
  were
• 25:23
  lied
• 25:23
  to
• 25:23
  by
• 25:23
  their
• 25:23
  parents
• 25:24
  or
• 25:24
  their
• 25:24
  parents
• 25:24
  church.
• 25:25
  And
• 25:25
  people
• 25:26
  can
• 25:26
  only
• 25:26
  wake
• 25:27
  up
• 25:27
  out
• 25:27
  of
• 25:27
  that
• 25:27
  matrix
• 25:28
  one
• 25:28
  at
• 25:28
  a
• 25:28
  time.
• 25:28
  We
• 25:29
  can't
• 25:29
  drag
• 25:29
  them
• 25:29
  out.
• 25:29
  So
• 25:30
  I
• 25:30
  wrote
• 25:30
  this
• 25:30
  book
• 25:30
  as
• 25:30
  a
• 25:31
  guide
• 25:31
  to
• 25:31
  people
• 25:31
  who
• 25:32
  have
• 25:32
  to
• 25:32
  live
• 25:33
  with
• 25:33
  those
• 25:33
  kind
• 25:34
  of
• 25:34
  people,
• 25:34
  with
• 25:34
  the
• 25:34
  haters.
• 25:35
  Not
• 25:35
  conservative
• 25:36
  Christians.
• 25:36
  Conservative
• 25:37
  Christians
• 25:37
  and
• 25:37
  I
• 25:37
  may
• 25:37
  disagree
• 25:38
  on
• 25:38
  things,
• 25:38
  but
• 25:38
  we
• 25:39
  don't
• 25:39
  hate
• 25:39
  each
• 25:39
  other
• 25:39
  for
• 25:39
  it.
• 25:40
  I'm
• 25:40
  talking,
• 25:40
  y'
• 25:41
  all
• 25:41
  know
• 25:41
  the.
• 25:41
  The
• 25:41
  hardcore
• 25:42
  Christian
• 25:43
  nationalists
• 25:44
  who
• 25:44
  think
• 25:44
  that
• 25:44
  hate
• 25:44
  is
• 25:45
  strength.
• 25:45
  And
• 25:46
  that's
• 25:46
  just
• 25:46
  what
• 25:46
  I
• 25:46
  wanted
• 25:47
  to.
• 25:47
  To
• 25:47
  smash
• 25:47
  with
• 25:47
  this
• 25:48
  book.
• 25:49
  Yeah,
• 25:50
  you've
• 25:50
  taken.
• 25:50
  Given
• 25:51
  us
• 25:51
  Jesus
• 25:51
  back.
• 25:52
  It's
• 25:52
  quite
• 25:52
  a
• 25:52
  thing,
• 25:53
  you
• 25:53
  know,
• 25:53
  did
• 25:54
  the
• 25:54
  archeological
• 25:54
  dig
• 25:55
  and
• 25:55
  separated
• 25:56
  trash
• 25:57
  and
• 25:57
  the
• 25:57
  chaff
• 25:57
  and
• 25:58
  in
• 25:58
  our
• 25:58
  inherited
• 25:59
  ridiculous
• 26:00
  things
• 26:00
  that
• 26:00
  awful
• 26:01
  things
• 26:01
  that
• 26:01
  Christianity
• 26:02
  does
• 26:02
  and
• 26:02
  given
• 26:02
  us
• 26:03
  back
• 26:03
  Jesus.
• 26:05
  That.
• 26:05
  And
• 26:05
  it's
• 26:06
  so
• 26:06
  powerful.
• 26:07
  I
• 26:07
  don't
• 26:07
  blame
• 26:08
  Jodie
• 26:08
  Foster
• 26:09
  for
• 26:09
  what
• 26:09
  her
• 26:09
  crazy
• 26:10
  fans
• 26:10
  do.
• 26:11
  So
• 26:11
  I
• 26:11
  can't
• 26:11
  blame
• 26:12
  Jesus
• 26:12
  for
• 26:12
  what
• 26:12
  his
• 26:13
  crazy
• 26:13
  fans
• 26:13
  do.
• 26:14
  Well,
• 26:15
  that
• 26:15
  you've
• 26:15
  got
• 26:15
  a
• 26:15
  big
• 26:16
  heart,
• 26:16
  my
• 26:16
  friend.
• 26:17
  Yeah,
• 26:18
  I
• 26:18
  mean,
• 26:19
  look,
• 26:19
  it's
• 26:19
  like
• 26:19
  I
• 26:19
  say
• 26:20
  in
• 26:20
  the
• 26:20
  beginning,
• 26:20
  this
• 26:20
  is
• 26:20
  not
• 26:20
  tearing
• 26:21
  down
• 26:21
  religion.
• 26:21
  And
• 26:21
  I
• 26:22
  keep
• 26:22
  reminding
• 26:22
  the
• 26:22
  atheist.
• 26:23
  I
• 26:23
  keep
• 26:23
  having
• 26:23
  little
• 26:24
  messages
• 26:24
  to
• 26:25
  atheists
• 26:25
  and
• 26:25
  conservative
• 26:26
  Christian
• 26:26
  readers
• 26:26
  throughout
• 26:27
  this
• 26:27
  and
• 26:27
  thanking
• 26:27
  them
• 26:27
  for
• 26:28
  making
• 26:28
  it
• 26:28
  this
• 26:28
  far.
• 26:28
  But,
• 26:29
  you
• 26:29
  know,
• 26:29
  our
• 26:29
  atheist
• 26:30
  friends
• 26:31
  very
• 26:31
  often
• 26:31
  will
• 26:31
  say,
• 26:32
  oh,
• 26:32
  religions
• 26:32
  responsible
• 26:33
  for
• 26:33
  all
• 26:33
  the
• 26:34
  oppression
• 26:35
  and
• 26:35
  misogyny
• 26:35
  and
• 26:36
  homophobia
• 26:36
  and
• 26:36
  violence.
• 26:37
  And.
• 26:37
  And
• 26:38
  I'm
• 26:38
  like,
• 26:38
  it's
• 26:38
  not
• 26:38
  religion.
• 26:39
  It's
• 26:39
  the
• 26:39
  fundamentalist
• 26:40
  wings
• 26:41
  of
• 26:41
  all
• 26:41
  religions.
• 26:42
  The
• 26:42
  overwhelming
• 26:43
  majority
• 26:43
  of
• 26:44
  liberal
• 26:45
  and
• 26:45
  moderate
• 26:45
  and
• 26:45
  even
• 26:46
  conservative
• 26:46
  Christians,
• 26:47
  Muslims
• 26:47
  and
• 26:47
  Jews
• 26:48
  are
• 26:49
  getting
• 26:49
  along
• 26:49
  just
• 26:50
  fine
• 26:50
  right
• 26:51
  now
• 26:51
  all
• 26:52
  around
• 26:52
  the
• 26:52
  world,
• 26:53
  creating
• 26:53
  communities
• 26:54
  and
• 26:54
  families
• 26:54
  and
• 26:55
  businesses
• 26:55
  and
• 26:55
  going
• 26:56
  to
• 26:56
  school
• 26:56
  together.
• 26:57
  And
• 26:57
  that
• 26:57
  kind
• 26:57
  of
• 26:58
  stuff
• 26:58
  doesn't
• 26:58
  get
• 26:58
  on
• 26:58
  the
• 26:59
  news.
• 26:59
  The
• 26:59
  media
• 27:00
  is
• 27:00
  one
• 27:00
  of
• 27:00
  the
• 27:00
  unsung
• 27:01
  villains
• 27:01
  of
• 27:02
  the
• 27:02
  right
• 27:03
  turn
• 27:03
  for
• 27:03
  Christianity
• 27:04
  because
• 27:04
  showing
• 27:05
  nice
• 27:05
  people
• 27:05
  of
• 27:05
  different
• 27:06
  faiths
• 27:06
  getting
• 27:06
  along
• 27:06
  is
• 27:07
  terrible
• 27:07
  for
• 27:08
  ratings.
• 27:08
  But
• 27:09
  having
• 27:09
  a
• 27:09
  violent
• 27:10
  douchebag
• 27:11
  hater,
• 27:12
  that's
• 27:12
  great.
• 27:13
  I
• 27:13
  mean,
• 27:13
  I'll
• 27:13
  watch
• 27:14
  if
• 27:14
  there's
• 27:15
  a
• 27:15
  horrible
• 27:15
  right
• 27:16
  wing
• 27:16
  Christian
• 27:16
  on
• 27:16
  TV
• 27:17
  because
• 27:17
  they
• 27:17
  make
• 27:18
  good
• 27:18
  villains,
• 27:18
  they
• 27:19
  make
• 27:19
  for
• 27:19
  great
• 27:19
  tv.
• 27:20
  They
• 27:20
  didn't
• 27:20
  put
• 27:20
  Jerry
• 27:21
  Falwell
• 27:21
  and
• 27:21
  Pat
• 27:22
  Robertson
• 27:22
  on
• 27:22
  because
• 27:22
  they
• 27:23
  were
• 27:23
  such
• 27:23
  good
• 27:23
  Christians
• 27:23
  who
• 27:24
  said
• 27:24
  the
• 27:24
  things
• 27:24
  Christ
• 27:24
  said.
• 27:25
  They
• 27:25
  put
• 27:25
  them
• 27:26
  on
• 27:26
  because
• 27:26
  they
• 27:26
  were
• 27:26
  good
• 27:26
  for
• 27:26
  ratings.
• 27:27
  And
• 27:27
  that's
• 27:28
  why
• 27:29
  we've
• 27:29
  had
• 27:29
  45
• 27:30
  years
• 27:30
  in
• 27:30
  this
• 27:30
  country
• 27:31
  of
• 27:31
  criminalizing
• 27:32
  abortion,
• 27:33
  replacing
• 27:35
  everything
• 27:35
  Jesus
• 27:36
  talked
• 27:36
  about
• 27:36
  in
• 27:37
  the
• 27:37
  minds
• 27:37
  of
• 27:37
  certain
• 27:38
  right
• 27:38
  wing
• 27:38
  Christian
• 27:39
  folk.
• 27:40
  I
• 27:41
  just
• 27:41
  want
• 27:41
  to
• 27:41
  say
• 27:42
  thank
• 27:42
  you,
• 27:42
  John,
• 27:43
  for
• 27:43
  being
• 27:44
  in
• 27:44
  the
• 27:44
  media
• 27:44
  and
• 27:45
  being
• 27:45
  so
• 27:45
  successful.
• 27:46
  Because
• 27:46
  it
• 27:46
  seems
• 27:47
  to
• 27:47
  me
• 27:47
  that
• 27:48
  depending
• 27:48
  on
• 27:48
  our
• 27:49
  media,
• 27:49
  we're
• 27:50
  going
• 27:50
  to
• 27:50
  make
• 27:50
  it
• 27:50
  or
• 27:50
  not
• 27:51
  as
• 27:51
  a
• 27:51
  civilization
• 27:52
  because
• 27:52
  media
• 27:52
  is
• 27:52
  the
• 27:52
  most
• 27:53
  powerful
• 27:53
  institution
• 27:53
  and
• 27:54
  in
• 27:54
  the
• 27:54
  world
• 27:55
  at
• 27:55
  the
• 27:55
  moment.
• 27:56
  And
• 27:57
  so
• 27:57
  to
• 27:57
  have
• 27:57
  someone
• 27:58
  like
• 27:58
  yourself
• 27:58
  bringing,
• 27:59
  really
• 27:59
  trying
• 28:00
  to
• 28:00
  bring
• 28:00
  some
• 28:00
  sanity
• 28:01
  and
• 28:01
  love
• 28:01
  and
• 28:02
  compassion
• 28:02
  in
• 28:03
  is
• 28:04
  really
• 28:04
  extremely
• 28:05
  important.
• 28:05
  And
• 28:05
  I
• 28:06
  know
• 28:06
  it's
• 28:06
  a
• 28:06
  very
• 28:06
  challenging
• 28:07
  medium.
• 28:07
  So
• 28:07
  thanks
• 28:08
  for
• 28:08
  just.
• 28:09
  Thank
• 28:09
  you
• 28:09
  for
• 28:09
  doing
• 28:09
  that.
• 28:10
  You're
• 28:10
  very
• 28:10
  kind.
• 28:10
  I
• 28:11
  don't
• 28:11
  know.
• 28:11
  My
• 28:12
  definition
• 28:12
  of
• 28:12
  success
• 28:12
  has
• 28:13
  changed
• 28:13
  a
• 28:13
  lot
• 28:13
  over
• 28:14
  the
• 28:14
  years.
• 28:14
  You
• 28:14
  know,
• 28:14
  when
• 28:14
  I
• 28:15
  was
• 28:15
  very
• 28:15
  young,
• 28:15
  one
• 28:16
  of
• 28:16
  my
• 28:16
  first
• 28:16
  network
• 28:16
  jobs
• 28:17
  was
• 28:17
  hosting
• 28:17
  America's
• 28:18
  Funniest
• 28:18
  Home
• 28:18
  Videos.
• 28:19
  I
• 28:19
  did
• 28:19
  that
• 28:19
  for
• 28:19
  a
• 28:19
  couple
• 28:20
  of
• 28:20
  years
• 28:20
  and
• 28:20
  lovely
• 28:21
  people
• 28:22
  paid
• 28:22
  me
• 28:22
  very
• 28:22
  well.
• 28:22
  And
• 28:23
  I
• 28:23
  realized
• 28:23
  on
• 28:24
  that
• 28:24
  job
• 28:24
  that
• 28:25
  my
• 28:25
  concept
• 28:26
  of
• 28:26
  success
• 28:27
  was
• 28:27
  different
• 28:27
  than
• 28:28
  my
• 28:28
  managers
• 28:28
  and
• 28:29
  agents
• 28:29
  concepts
• 28:29
  of
• 28:30
  success.
• 28:30
  So
• 28:30
  for
• 28:31
  me,
• 28:31
  this
• 28:32
  was
• 28:32
  something
• 28:32
  that
• 28:32
  was
• 28:32
  in
• 28:33
  my
• 28:33
  heart
• 28:33
  that
• 28:33
  I
• 28:33
  wanted
• 28:34
  to
• 28:34
  do.
• 28:34
  It's
• 28:34
  not
• 28:34
  commercial.
• 28:35
  I've
• 28:35
  had
• 28:36
  many
• 28:36
  managers
• 28:36
  and
• 28:36
  agents
• 28:37
  over
• 28:37
  the
• 28:37
  years
• 28:37
  beg
• 28:37
  me
• 28:38
  to
• 28:38
  not
• 28:38
  talk
• 28:38
  about
• 28:38
  the
• 28:39
  Bible.
• 28:39
  But
• 28:39
  it's
• 28:40
  something
• 28:40
  that's
• 28:40
  been
• 28:40
  in
• 28:40
  my
• 28:40
  heart
• 28:41
  and
• 28:41
  it's
• 28:42
  something
• 28:42
  that
• 28:42
  I
• 28:42
  wanted
• 28:42
  to
• 28:42
  find
• 28:43
  the
• 28:43
  right
• 28:43
  way
• 28:43
  to
• 28:44
  express
• 28:44
  so
• 28:44
  it
• 28:45
  wouldn't
• 28:45
  be
• 28:45
  preachy
• 28:46
  or
• 28:46
  just
• 28:47
  condemnation.
• 28:47
  I
• 28:47
  wanted
• 28:48
  it
• 28:48
  to
• 28:48
  be
• 28:48
  entertainment.
• 28:49
  And
• 28:49
  at
• 28:49
  the
• 28:49
  same
• 28:50
  time,
• 28:50
  you
• 28:50
  know,
• 28:50
  I
• 28:51
  also
• 28:51
  thought
• 28:51
  there
• 28:51
  was
• 28:52
  an
• 28:52
  audience
• 28:52
  for
• 28:52
  it.
• 28:52
  I
• 28:53
  pitched
• 28:53
  this
• 28:53
  to
• 28:53
  Simon
• 28:54
  and
• 28:54
  Schuster
• 28:54
  saying,
• 28:54
  no,
• 28:54
  there's
• 28:55
  people
• 28:55
  out
• 28:55
  there
• 28:55
  who'll
• 28:55
  buy
• 28:56
  a
• 28:56
  book
• 28:56
  like
• 28:56
  this
• 28:57
  because
• 28:57
  I
• 28:58
  do
• 28:58
  believe
• 28:58
  that,
• 28:59
  you
• 29:00
  know,
• 29:00
  they,
• 29:00
  they
• 29:00
  tell
• 29:00
  us
• 29:00
  the
• 29:01
  largest
• 29:01
  growing
• 29:01
  religious
• 29:02
  group
• 29:02
  are
• 29:03
  Mormons
• 29:03
  or
• 29:04
  some
• 29:04
  say
• 29:04
  Islam
• 29:05
  and
• 29:05
  some
• 29:05
  say
• 29:05
  it's
• 29:06
  none
• 29:06
  of
• 29:06
  the
• 29:06
  aboves.
• 29:07
  But
• 29:07
  I
• 29:07
  always
• 29:08
  believe
• 29:08
  the
• 29:08
  largest
• 29:08
  growing
• 29:09
  group
• 29:09
  in
• 29:10
  this
• 29:10
  country
• 29:10
  are
• 29:10
  people
• 29:11
  who
• 29:11
  were
• 29:11
  raised
• 29:11
  religious
• 29:12
  and
• 29:12
  like
• 29:12
  I
• 29:13
  said,
• 29:13
  now
• 29:13
  consider
• 29:13
  themselves
• 29:14
  spiritual.
• 29:15
  Those
• 29:15
  folks
• 29:15
  are
• 29:15
  out
• 29:15
  there
• 29:16
  and
• 29:16
  the
• 29:16
  spiritual
• 29:16
  hunger
• 29:17
  is
• 29:17
  not
• 29:17
  going
• 29:17
  to
• 29:17
  end.
• 29:17
  Whether
• 29:18
  religion
• 29:18
  does
• 29:18
  anything,
• 29:19
  people
• 29:19
  are
• 29:20
  always
• 29:20
  going
• 29:20
  to
• 29:20
  be
• 29:20
  in
• 29:20
  love
• 29:20
  with
• 29:21
  the
• 29:21
  great
• 29:21
  mystery.
• 29:22
  They're
• 29:22
  always
• 29:22
  going
• 29:22
  to
• 29:22
  lean
• 29:23
  into
• 29:23
  the
• 29:23
  great
• 29:23
  Question
• 29:23
  mark.
• 29:24
  And
• 29:24
  I
• 29:25
  think
• 29:25
  Jesus
• 29:26
  can
• 29:26
  show
• 29:26
  us
• 29:26
  the
• 29:26
  way.
• 29:27
  Let's
• 29:27
  get
• 29:27
  some
• 29:27
  of
• 29:28
  his
• 29:28
  more
• 29:28
  obnoxious
• 29:28
  cheerleaders
• 29:29
  who
• 29:29
  don't
• 29:30
  actually
• 29:30
  follow
• 29:30
  him,
• 29:31
  you
• 29:31
  know,
• 29:31
  just
• 29:31
  to
• 29:32
  the
• 29:32
  sidelines
• 29:32
  a
• 29:32
  bit
• 29:32
  and
• 29:32
  talk
• 29:33
  about
• 29:33
  what
• 29:33
  he.
• 29:33
  And
• 29:34
  this
• 29:34
  is
• 29:34
  why,
• 29:35
  throughout
• 29:35
  the
• 29:35
  book,
• 29:36
  I
• 29:36
  give
• 29:36
  debate
• 29:36
  tips
• 29:37
  for
• 29:37
  people
• 29:38
  with
• 29:38
  their
• 29:38
  right
• 29:38
  wing
• 29:39
  loved
• 29:39
  ones
• 29:40
  saying,
• 29:40
  you're
• 29:41
  never
• 29:41
  going
• 29:41
  to
• 29:41
  convert
• 29:41
  them,
• 29:42
  but
• 29:42
  you
• 29:42
  will
• 29:43
  sway
• 29:43
  the
• 29:43
  bystanders,
• 29:44
  their
• 29:45
  wives,
• 29:45
  their
• 29:45
  kids
• 29:45
  at
• 29:46
  the
• 29:46
  table,
• 29:46
  people
• 29:46
  at
• 29:46
  the
• 29:47
  cookout.
• 29:47
  If
• 29:47
  you
• 29:48
  can
• 29:48
  model
• 29:48
  respectful
• 29:49
  debate
• 29:49
  and
• 29:49
  ask
• 29:50
  questions
• 29:50
  rather
• 29:51
  than
• 29:51
  attack.
• 29:52
  And
• 29:52
  if
• 29:52
  you
• 29:52
  can,
• 29:53
  you
• 29:53
  know,
• 29:54
  actually
• 29:54
  say,
• 29:54
  well,
• 29:55
  where
• 29:55
  does
• 29:55
  Jesus
• 29:55
  say
• 29:56
  this?
• 29:56
  Or
• 29:56
  if
• 29:57
  you
• 29:57
  believe
• 29:57
  this,
• 29:58
  don't
• 29:58
  you
• 29:58
  have
• 29:58
  to
• 29:58
  believe?
• 29:58
  I
• 29:59
  mean,
• 29:59
  if
• 29:59
  you
• 29:59
  want
• 29:59
  to
• 29:59
  use
• 30:00
  Leviticus
• 30:00
  18
• 30:01
  to
• 30:01
  say
• 30:01
  being
• 30:01
  gay
• 30:01
  is
• 30:02
  bad,
• 30:02
  don't
• 30:02
  you
• 30:03
  have
• 30:03
  to
• 30:03
  stone
• 30:03
  Donald
• 30:04
  Trump
• 30:04
  to
• 30:04
  death
• 30:04
  for
• 30:04
  adultery
• 30:05
  as
• 30:05
  per
• 30:05
  Leviticus
• 30:06
  20:10?
• 30:07
  I
• 30:07
  mean,
• 30:07
  it's
• 30:07
  your
• 30:08
  passage.
• 30:08
  It's
• 30:08
  what
• 30:08
  you
• 30:08
  say
• 30:09
  you
• 30:09
  live
• 30:09
  by.
• 30:10
  And
• 30:10
  I
• 30:10
  try
• 30:10
  to
• 30:10
  make
• 30:10
  it
• 30:11
  entertaining
• 30:11
  in
• 30:11
  that
• 30:11
  sense.
• 30:12
  For
• 30:12
  all
• 30:12
  the
• 30:12
  issues
• 30:12
  that
• 30:13
  divide
• 30:13
  us
• 30:13
  from
• 30:13
  gun
• 30:14
  control,
• 30:14
  feminism,
• 30:14
  abortion
• 30:15
  rights,
• 30:15
  LGBTQ
• 30:16
  equality,
• 30:16
  anti
• 30:17
  Semitism,
• 30:18
  healthcare
• 30:18
  policy,
• 30:19
  social
• 30:19
  safety
• 30:20
  nets
• 30:20
  for
• 30:20
  the
• 30:20
  poor,
• 30:21
  I
• 30:21
  try
• 30:21
  to
• 30:21
  cover
• 30:21
  as
• 30:22
  much
• 30:22
  ground
• 30:22
  as
• 30:22
  possible.
• 30:22
  The
• 30:23
  death
• 30:23
  penalty,
• 30:23
  of
• 30:23
  course.
• 30:24
  And
• 30:24
  to
• 30:24
  show
• 30:25
  that
• 30:25
  even
• 30:25
  if
• 30:25
  you're
• 30:25
  an
• 30:26
  atheist
• 30:26
  and
• 30:27
  don't
• 30:27
  believe
• 30:27
  in
• 30:27
  Jesus,
• 30:28
  if
• 30:28
  you're
• 30:29
  debating
• 30:29
  a
• 30:29
  right
• 30:29
  wing
• 30:29
  Christian,
• 30:30
  that
• 30:30
  Jesus
• 30:31
  you
• 30:31
  don't
• 30:31
  believe
• 30:31
  in
• 30:31
  is
• 30:32
  probably
• 30:32
  on
• 30:32
  your
• 30:32
  side
• 30:33
  and
• 30:33
  he
• 30:33
  can
• 30:33
  help
• 30:33
  you
• 30:33
  with
• 30:34
  the
• 30:34
  argument.
• 30:34
  And
• 30:34
  I
• 30:35
  also
• 30:35
  believe
• 30:36
  these
• 30:36
  people
• 30:36
  aren't
• 30:37
  zealots,
• 30:38
  they're
• 30:38
  not
• 30:38
  nationalists,
• 30:39
  they're
• 30:40
  our
• 30:40
  family
• 30:40
  members.
• 30:41
  In
• 30:41
  many
• 30:41
  cases,
• 30:41
  they're
• 30:42
  our
• 30:42
  old
• 30:42
  friends
• 30:42
  from
• 30:42
  high
• 30:43
  school
• 30:43
  we're
• 30:43
  still
• 30:43
  in
• 30:44
  touch
• 30:44
  with
• 30:44
  on
• 30:44
  Facebook.
• 30:45
  We
• 30:46
  can't
• 30:46
  hate
• 30:46
  them
• 30:46
  back.
• 30:47
  And
• 30:47
  I
• 30:47
  find
• 30:48
  not
• 30:48
  all
• 30:48
  the
• 30:49
  time.
• 30:49
  Most
• 30:49
  of
• 30:49
  these
• 30:50
  folks
• 30:50
  have
• 30:50
  never
• 30:50
  been
• 30:51
  debated
• 30:51
  about
• 30:51
  what
• 30:51
  the
• 30:51
  Bible
• 30:52
  actually
• 30:52
  says.
• 30:53
  And
• 30:53
  y'
• 30:53
  all
• 30:53
  know
• 30:54
  there's
• 30:54
  plenty
• 30:54
  of
• 30:54
  Christians
• 30:54
  in
• 30:55
  this
• 30:55
  country
• 30:55
  who
• 30:55
  just
• 30:55
  think,
• 30:56
  hey,
• 30:56
  I
• 30:56
  put
• 30:56
  up
• 30:56
  a
• 30:57
  tree
• 30:57
  in
• 30:57
  my
• 30:57
  house
• 30:57
  once
• 30:57
  a
• 30:57
  year
• 30:58
  and
• 30:58
  I
• 30:58
  hate
• 30:58
  Muslims,
• 30:58
  I'm
• 30:59
  a
• 30:59
  Christian.
• 30:59
  You
• 30:59
  know,
• 31:01
  I
• 31:01
  mean,
• 31:01
  I
• 31:01
  find
• 31:02
  that
• 31:02
  your
• 31:02
  nationalist
• 31:03
  loved
• 31:03
  one
• 31:03
  may
• 31:04
  appreciate
• 31:04
  that
• 31:05
  you
• 31:05
  took
• 31:05
  the
• 31:05
  time
• 31:05
  to
• 31:06
  engage
• 31:06
  them
• 31:06
  on
• 31:06
  Scripture.
• 31:07
  I'll
• 31:08
  always
• 31:08
  believe
• 31:08
  we
• 31:08
  get
• 31:09
  farther
• 31:09
  by
• 31:09
  showing
• 31:10
  in
• 31:10
  the
• 31:10
  Bible
• 31:11
  how
• 31:11
  Jesus
• 31:12
  is
• 31:12
  not
• 31:12
  an
• 31:12
  immigrant
• 31:13
  hating
• 31:13
  homophobe
• 31:14
  than
• 31:14
  if
• 31:14
  we
• 31:14
  just
• 31:15
  haul
• 31:15
  off
• 31:15
  and
• 31:15
  call
• 31:16
  our
• 31:16
  right
• 31:16
  wing
• 31:16
  relative
• 31:17
  an
• 31:17
  immigrant
• 31:17
  hating
• 31:17
  homophobe.
• 31:18
  Yeah,
• 31:19
  and
• 31:19
  it's
• 31:19
  very
• 31:19
  hard
• 31:20
  for
• 31:20
  them
• 31:20
  to
• 31:20
  argue
• 31:20
  against
• 31:21
  it.
• 31:21
  When
• 31:21
  you
• 31:21
  show
• 31:21
  the
• 31:22
  Matthew
• 31:22
  25,
• 31:22
  for
• 31:22
  example.
• 31:23
  And
• 31:24
  yeah,
• 31:25
  she
• 31:25
  said
• 31:25
  how
• 31:26
  we're
• 31:26
  supposed
• 31:26
  to
• 31:26
  treat
• 31:26
  people
• 31:27
  and
• 31:27
  what's
• 31:27
  important,
• 31:28
  and
• 31:28
  you
• 31:28
  bring
• 31:29
  that
• 31:29
  forth
• 31:30
  so
• 31:30
  much.
• 31:30
  Jesus
• 31:30
  said
• 31:31
  the
• 31:31
  way
• 31:31
  you
• 31:31
  treat
• 31:31
  the
• 31:32
  poorest
• 31:32
  among
• 31:32
  them.
• 31:32
  The
• 31:33
  way
• 31:33
  you
• 31:33
  treat
• 31:33
  the
• 31:33
  homeless,
• 31:34
  the
• 31:34
  way
• 31:35
  you
• 31:35
  treat
• 31:35
  the
• 31:35
  prisoners
• 31:36
  is
• 31:36
  how
• 31:36
  you
• 31:36
  treat
• 31:37
  me.
• 31:38
  Yeah.
• 31:39
  Is
• 31:39
  that
• 31:39
  revolutionary
• 31:40
  or
• 31:40
  what?
• 31:40
  That's
• 31:40
  so,
• 31:41
  so
• 31:41
  important.
• 31:42
  I
• 31:42
  mean,
• 31:42
  I
• 31:42
  go
• 31:42
  into
• 31:42
  that
• 31:43
  in
• 31:43
  the
• 31:43
  first
• 31:43
  chapter
• 31:43
  of
• 31:44
  the
• 31:44
  book
• 31:44
  and
• 31:44
  I
• 31:44
  say,
• 31:44
  I
• 31:44
  mean,
• 31:45
  we
• 31:45
  could
• 31:45
  end
• 31:45
  the
• 31:45
  book
• 31:45
  right
• 31:45
  here.
• 31:46
  You
• 31:46
  know,
• 31:46
  you
• 31:46
  got
• 31:46
  things
• 31:46
  to
• 31:47
  do.
• 31:47
  I
• 31:47
  mean,
• 31:47
  like
• 31:48
  you
• 31:48
  get
• 31:48
  through
• 31:48
  Matthew
• 31:48
  25.
• 31:49
  That's
• 31:50
  it.
• 31:50
  And
• 31:50
  it's
• 31:51
  not
• 31:51
  just
• 31:51
  Jesus
• 31:51
  saying
• 31:52
  what
• 31:52
  it
• 31:52
  takes
• 31:53
  to
• 31:53
  be
• 31:53
  a
• 31:53
  Christian
• 31:53
  nation.
• 31:54
  It's
• 31:54
  also
• 31:55
  Jesus
• 31:55
  letting
• 31:56
  you
• 31:56
  know
• 31:56
  who
• 31:56
  his
• 31:56
  fake
• 31:57
  followers
• 31:57
  are,
• 31:58
  the
• 31:58
  ones
• 31:58
  who
• 31:58
  talk
• 31:59
  a
• 31:59
  good
• 31:59
  game
• 32:00
  about
• 32:00
  piety,
• 32:01
  but
• 32:01
  who
• 32:02
  don't
• 32:02
  want
• 32:03
  individuals
• 32:03
  and
• 32:03
  nations
• 32:04
  to
• 32:04
  care
• 32:04
  for
• 32:04
  the
• 32:04
  poor,
• 32:05
  care
• 32:05
  for
• 32:05
  the
• 32:05
  sick,
• 32:05
  welcome
• 32:06
  a
• 32:06
  stranger,
• 32:06
  and
• 32:07
  be
• 32:07
  kind
• 32:07
  to
• 32:07
  those
• 32:07
  in
• 32:08
  prison.
• 32:08
  Again,
• 32:09
  how
• 32:09
  you
• 32:09
  treat
• 32:09
  them
• 32:10
  is
• 32:10
  how
• 32:10
  you
• 32:10
  treat
• 32:11
  Jesus.
• 32:11
  And
• 32:12
  for
• 32:12
  the
• 32:12
  life
• 32:12
  of
• 32:12
  me,
• 32:13
  I
• 32:13
  just,
• 32:13
  I
• 32:14
  really
• 32:14
  want
• 32:14
  to
• 32:14
  see
• 32:14
  more
• 32:15
  Matthew
• 32:15
  25.
• 32:15
  Christians
• 32:16
  like
• 32:16
  Senator
• 32:16
  Raphael
• 32:17
  Warnock
• 32:17
  who
• 32:18
  bring
• 32:18
  this
• 32:18
  up
• 32:19
  and
• 32:19
  use
• 32:19
  scripture
• 32:20
  and
• 32:20
  nonviolence
• 32:21
  to
• 32:21
  shame
• 32:22
  these
• 32:22
  frauds
• 32:23
  out
• 32:23
  of
• 32:23
  this
• 32:24
  racket
• 32:24
  of
• 32:25
  Christian
• 32:25
  nationalism.
• 32:26
  Because
• 32:26
  the
• 32:26
  whole
• 32:26
  thing
• 32:26
  is
• 32:26
  based
• 32:27
  on
• 32:27
  the
• 32:27
  fact
• 32:27
  that
• 32:27
  you're
• 32:28
  better
• 32:28
  than
• 32:28
  other
• 32:28
  people.
• 32:29
  It's
• 32:29
  against
• 32:29
  the
• 32:30
  founding
• 32:30
  fathers
• 32:31
  and
• 32:31
  against
• 32:32
  the
• 32:32
  Gospels.
• 32:33
  The
• 32:33
  notion
• 32:33
  that
• 32:33
  you're
• 32:34
  better
• 32:34
  than
• 32:34
  someone
• 32:35
  else
• 32:35
  because
• 32:35
  you
• 32:35
  believe
• 32:35
  in
• 32:36
  Jesus.
• 32:36
  If
• 32:37
  you
• 32:37
  believe
• 32:37
  that,
• 32:37
  you
• 32:37
  don't
• 32:38
  really
• 32:38
  believe
• 32:38
  in
• 32:38
  Jesus.
• 32:39
  Because
• 32:39
  the
• 32:39
  man's
• 32:40
  whole
• 32:40
  mission
• 32:40
  is
• 32:40
  about
• 32:40
  humility,
• 32:41
  servant
• 32:42
  leadership,
• 32:43
  washing
• 32:43
  the
• 32:44
  feet
• 32:44
  of
• 32:44
  your
• 32:44
  followers,
• 32:45
  going
• 32:45
  to
• 32:45
  the
• 32:45
  margins
• 32:46
  and
• 32:46
  helping
• 32:46
  the
• 32:46
  least
• 32:46
  of
• 32:47
  us.
• 32:47
  It's
• 32:48
  not
• 32:48
  about
• 32:48
  total
• 32:49
  right
• 32:49
  wing
• 32:49
  domination
• 32:50
  of
• 32:50
  the
• 32:50
  school
• 32:50
  board.
• 32:53
  Yes.
• 32:55
  So
• 32:56
  I
• 32:56
  mean
• 32:56
  like,
• 32:56
  you
• 32:56
  know,
• 32:56
  and
• 32:57
  again,
• 32:57
  I'm
• 32:57
  in
• 32:57
  political
• 32:58
  talk
• 32:58
  radio,
• 32:58
  so
• 32:59
  this
• 32:59
  is,
• 32:59
  I'm
• 32:59
  more
• 33:00
  of
• 33:00
  a
• 33:00
  hothead
• 33:00
  about
• 33:00
  it
• 33:00
  than
• 33:01
  most
• 33:01
  nice
• 33:01
  people.
• 33:02
  And
• 33:02
  this
• 33:02
  is,
• 33:02
  what
• 33:02
  I've
• 33:03
  done
• 33:03
  for
• 33:03
  years
• 33:03
  is
• 33:03
  debate,
• 33:04
  debate,
• 33:04
  debate
• 33:04
  about
• 33:05
  it.
• 33:05
  And
• 33:05
  I
• 33:05
  thought,
• 33:05
  well,
• 33:05
  let
• 33:05
  me,
• 33:06
  let
• 33:06
  me
• 33:06
  let
• 33:06
  folks
• 33:06
  know,
• 33:06
  you
• 33:07
  know,
• 33:07
  on
• 33:07
  all
• 33:07
  these
• 33:07
  points,
• 33:08
  all
• 33:08
  these
• 33:09
  points,
• 33:09
  like
• 33:09
  they're,
• 33:10
  they're
• 33:10
  allowed
• 33:10
  to
• 33:11
  think
• 33:11
  whatever
• 33:11
  they
• 33:11
  want,
• 33:11
  but
• 33:12
  if
• 33:12
  they're
• 33:12
  going
• 33:12
  to
• 33:12
  claim
• 33:13
  with
• 33:13
  our
• 33:14
  First
• 33:14
  Amendment
• 33:15
  that
• 33:15
  they're
• 33:15
  speaking
• 33:16
  and
• 33:16
  fighting
• 33:16
  for
• 33:16
  Jesus,
• 33:17
  we're
• 33:18
  allowed
• 33:18
  to
• 33:18
  use
• 33:18
  that
• 33:19
  First
• 33:19
  Amendment
• 33:19
  to
• 33:19
  ask
• 33:20
  some
• 33:20
  questions
• 33:20
  to
• 33:21
  see
• 33:21
  if
• 33:21
  they
• 33:21
  really
• 33:22
  mean
• 33:22
  it.
• 33:22
  Because
• 33:22
  most
• 33:23
  of
• 33:23
  these
• 33:23
  right
• 33:23
  wing
• 33:23
  folks
• 33:24
  have
• 33:24
  not
• 33:24
  read
• 33:25
  the
• 33:25
  Jesus
• 33:25
  parts
• 33:26
  and
• 33:26
  they're
• 33:26
  counting
• 33:27
  on
• 33:27
  the
• 33:27
  rest
• 33:27
  of
• 33:27
  us
• 33:27
  not
• 33:28
  having
• 33:28
  read
• 33:28
  them
• 33:28
  either.
• 33:29
  And
• 33:29
  maybe
• 33:30
  to
• 33:30
  expand
• 33:31
  the
• 33:31
  frame
• 33:31
  a
• 33:31
  little
• 33:31
  bit,
• 33:32
  we've
• 33:32
  been
• 33:32
  talking
• 33:32
  primarily
• 33:33
  about
• 33:33
  Jesus
• 33:34
  and
• 33:34
  the
• 33:34
  Gospels,
• 33:34
  but
• 33:35
  there's
• 33:36
  a
• 33:36
  lot
• 33:36
  of
• 33:36
  other
• 33:36
  Bible
• 33:37
  there
• 33:38
  and
• 33:38
  there's
• 33:38
  some
• 33:39
  very
• 33:39
  curious
• 33:40
  stuff
• 33:40
  and
• 33:41
  really
• 33:42
  important
• 33:42
  to
• 33:42
  acknowledge
• 33:43
  that
• 33:43
  the
• 33:43
  Bible
• 33:43
  is
• 33:44
  this
• 33:44
  incredible
• 33:45
  mishmash
• 33:46
  of
• 33:47
  fables,
• 33:48
  myths,
• 33:50
  wisdom,
• 33:51
  love,
• 33:51
  compassion,
• 33:53
  extraordinary
• 33:55
  horrendous
• 33:56
  acts
• 33:56
  of
• 33:56
  one
• 33:57
  kind
• 33:57
  or
• 33:57
  another.
• 33:58
  And
• 33:59
  you
• 33:59
  can
• 33:59
  basically,
• 34:00
  you're
• 34:00
  pretty
• 34:01
  much
• 34:01
  able
• 34:01
  to
• 34:01
  find
• 34:02
  anything
• 34:02
  you
• 34:02
  want
• 34:03
  to
• 34:03
  justify
• 34:03
  any
• 34:04
  position.
• 34:04
  Exactly.
• 34:06
  Yeah.
• 34:06
  Yeah.
• 34:07
  So
• 34:07
  that's
• 34:07
  why
• 34:07
  I
• 34:07
  bring
• 34:07
  it
• 34:07
  back
• 34:08
  to
• 34:08
  Jesus,
• 34:08
  because
• 34:09
  you're
• 34:09
  right,
• 34:09
  you
• 34:09
  can
• 34:09
  justify
• 34:10
  anything
• 34:10
  from
• 34:10
  this
• 34:10
  book.
• 34:11
  So
• 34:11
  you
• 34:12
  know
• 34:12
  that's.
• 34:12
  It's
• 34:13
  in
• 34:13
  the
• 34:13
  Bible
• 34:13
  somewhere.
• 34:14
  It's
• 34:14
  in
• 34:14
  the
• 34:14
  Bible.
• 34:14
  I
• 34:15
  mean,
• 34:15
  I
• 34:15
  can't
• 34:15
  tell
• 34:15
  you
• 34:15
  how
• 34:15
  many
• 34:16
  times
• 34:16
  I've
• 34:16
  had
• 34:16
  this
• 34:16
  debate
• 34:17
  with
• 34:17
  people
• 34:17
  about,
• 34:17
  no,
• 34:18
  you,
• 34:18
  Jesus
• 34:18
  says
• 34:18
  this
• 34:19
  and
• 34:19
  they'll
• 34:19
  say,
• 34:19
  hey,
• 34:19
  it's
• 34:19
  in
• 34:19
  the
• 34:20
  Bible
• 34:20
  and
• 34:21
  it's
• 34:21
  good
• 34:21
  enough
• 34:21
  for
• 34:21
  them.
• 34:21
  Well,
• 34:22
  Christians
• 34:22
  aren't
• 34:22
  supposed
• 34:22
  to
• 34:23
  follow
• 34:23
  the
• 34:23
  Bible.
• 34:24
  The
• 34:24
  Bible
• 34:24
  doesn't
• 34:25
  tell
• 34:25
  us
• 34:25
  to
• 34:25
  follow
• 34:25
  the
• 34:26
  Bible.
• 34:26
  The
• 34:27
  Bible
• 34:27
  tells
• 34:27
  us
• 34:27
  to
• 34:27
  follow
• 34:28
  Christ.
• 34:28
  And
• 34:29
  if
• 34:29
  you've
• 34:29
  been
• 34:29
  suckered
• 34:30
  into
• 34:30
  believing
• 34:30
  that
• 34:30
  your
• 34:31
  hate
• 34:31
  in
• 34:32
  Leviticus
• 34:32
  is
• 34:32
  as
• 34:33
  valid
• 34:33
  as
• 34:33
  the
• 34:33
  love
• 34:34
  of
• 34:34
  the
• 34:34
  Gospels,
• 34:35
  then
• 34:35
  find
• 34:35
  a
• 34:35
  new
• 34:36
  name
• 34:36
  for
• 34:36
  your
• 34:36
  religion.
• 34:37
  You
• 34:37
  know,
• 34:37
  I
• 34:38
  mean,
• 34:38
  that's.
• 34:38
  If
• 34:38
  I'm
• 34:39
  in
• 34:39
  a
• 34:39
  Rolling
• 34:39
  Stones
• 34:40
  cover
• 34:40
  band
• 34:41
  and
• 34:41
  I
• 34:41
  advertise
• 34:42
  that
• 34:42
  I
• 34:42
  am
• 34:42
  in
• 34:43
  a
• 34:43
  Rolling
• 34:43
  Stones
• 34:43
  cover
• 34:44
  band,
• 34:44
  but
• 34:44
  we
• 34:45
  only
• 34:45
  do
• 34:45
  songs
• 34:45
  by
• 34:46
  Vanilla
• 34:46
  Ice,
• 34:47
  then
• 34:47
  I
• 34:47
  need
• 34:48
  to
• 34:48
  find
• 34:48
  a
• 34:48
  new
• 34:48
  name
• 34:48
  for
• 34:49
  my
• 34:49
  crappy
• 34:49
  group.
• 34:50
  And
• 34:50
  if
• 34:51
  you're
• 34:51
  going
• 34:51
  out
• 34:51
  there
• 34:52
  trying
• 34:52
  to
• 34:52
  get
• 34:52
  control
• 34:52
  of
• 34:53
  society
• 34:54
  using
• 34:55
  Jesus,
• 34:55
  if
• 34:56
  you're
• 34:56
  trying
• 34:56
  to
• 34:56
  force
• 34:56
  your
• 34:57
  version
• 34:58
  of
• 34:58
  religion
• 34:58
  onto
• 34:59
  the
• 34:59
  rest
• 34:59
  of
• 34:59
  us
• 35:00
  in
• 35:00
  the
• 35:00
  name
• 35:00
  of
• 35:00
  Jesus,
• 35:01
  but
• 35:02
  you
• 35:03
  don't
• 35:03
  actually
• 35:03
  follow
• 35:03
  Jesus,
• 35:04
  the
• 35:04
  rest
• 35:04
  of
• 35:05
  us
• 35:05
  are
• 35:05
  kind
• 35:05
  of
• 35:05
  obliged
• 35:05
  to
• 35:06
  call
• 35:06
  you
• 35:06
  out
• 35:06
  for
• 35:06
  it
• 35:06
  with
• 35:07
  as
• 35:07
  much
• 35:07
  love
• 35:07
  as
• 35:07
  possible.
• 35:08
  And
• 35:08
  it's
• 35:08
  not
• 35:09
  hard
• 35:09
  to
• 35:09
  do.
• 35:09
  You
• 35:09
  can
• 35:10
  take
• 35:10
  these
• 35:10
  people
• 35:10
  and
• 35:10
  they'll
• 35:11
  always
• 35:11
  claim
• 35:11
  persecution.
• 35:12
  They'll
• 35:12
  always
• 35:13
  claim
• 35:13
  it.
• 35:13
  Jesus
• 35:14
  on
• 35:14
  his
• 35:14
  last,
• 35:14
  worst
• 35:15
  day
• 35:15
  didn't
• 35:15
  play
• 35:16
  victim,
• 35:16
  but
• 35:16
  they'll
• 35:16
  always
• 35:17
  play
• 35:17
  up
• 35:17
  the
• 35:17
  persecution
• 35:18
  narrative.
• 35:18
  That's
• 35:18
  how
• 35:18
  Donald
• 35:19
  Trump
• 35:19
  got
• 35:19
  them
• 35:19
  on
• 35:19
  his
• 35:20
  side.
• 35:20
  Not
• 35:20
  by
• 35:21
  promising
• 35:21
  to
• 35:21
  do
• 35:21
  anything
• 35:22
  Christ
• 35:22
  commands.
• 35:22
  He
• 35:23
  said,
• 35:23
  you
• 35:23
  Christians
• 35:24
  are
• 35:24
  under
• 35:24
  siege.
• 35:25
  When
• 35:25
  I'm
• 35:25
  president,
• 35:26
  you'll
• 35:26
  be
• 35:26
  first.
• 35:26
  I'll
• 35:27
  put
• 35:27
  you
• 35:27
  first.
• 35:28
  And
• 35:29
  that's
• 35:29
  a
• 35:29
  very
• 35:29
  seductive.
• 35:30
  He
• 35:30
  didn't
• 35:30
  call
• 35:31
  to
• 35:31
  the
• 35:31
  better
• 35:31
  angels
• 35:32
  of
• 35:32
  our
• 35:32
  nature
• 35:33
  to
• 35:33
  look
• 35:33
  out
• 35:33
  for
• 35:34
  our
• 35:34
  fellow
• 35:34
  American.
• 35:34
  No,
• 35:35
  he
• 35:35
  said,
• 35:36
  you're
• 35:36
  better
• 35:36
  and
• 35:37
  they're
• 35:37
  attacking
• 35:37
  you
• 35:37
  and
• 35:38
  I'll
• 35:38
  protect
• 35:38
  you
• 35:38
  and
• 35:38
  put
• 35:39
  you
• 35:39
  first.
• 35:40
  That
• 35:40
  was
• 35:40
  his
• 35:40
  message,
• 35:41
  completely
• 35:42
  gospel
• 35:42
  free.
• 35:43
  And
• 35:43
  it's
• 35:43
  very
• 35:43
  seductive
• 35:44
  and
• 35:44
  it's
• 35:44
  garbage
• 35:45
  theology.
• 35:46
  John,
• 35:46
  how
• 35:47
  is
• 35:47
  your.
• 35:47
  The
• 35:48
  reception?
• 35:48
  I
• 35:48
  mean,
• 35:48
  you're.
• 35:49
  To
• 35:49
  me,
• 35:49
  you're
• 35:49
  a
• 35:49
  prophetic
• 35:50
  voice.
• 35:51
  Not
• 35:51
  in
• 35:51
  the
• 35:51
  Edgar
• 35:51
  Cayce
• 35:52
  sense,
• 35:52
  but
• 35:52
  in
• 35:52
  the
• 35:53
  MLK
• 35:54
  sense.
• 35:54
  You've
• 35:54
  got
• 35:54
  a
• 35:55
  very
• 35:55
  important
• 35:56
  message
• 35:56
  that
• 35:56
  needs
• 35:56
  to
• 35:57
  be
• 35:57
  heard
• 35:57
  and
• 35:57
  you're
• 35:57
  out
• 35:57
  there.
• 35:58
  Thank
• 35:58
  you.
• 35:58
  Doing
• 35:59
  it
• 35:59
  with
• 35:59
  Great
• 35:59
  passion
• 36:00
  and
• 36:01
  compassion
• 36:02
  and
• 36:02
  intelligence.
• 36:03
  So
• 36:03
  how
• 36:03
  has
• 36:03
  this
• 36:04
  been
• 36:04
  received
• 36:05
  and
• 36:05
  since
• 36:06
  you
• 36:06
  started,
• 36:06
  you
• 36:07
  know,
• 36:07
  talking
• 36:07
  about
• 36:07
  this
• 36:08
  book
• 36:08
  and
• 36:08
  getting
• 36:08
  out
• 36:08
  there?
• 36:09
  It's
• 36:09
  been
• 36:09
  really,
• 36:10
  it's
• 36:10
  been
• 36:10
  wonderful
• 36:10
  for
• 36:10
  me.
• 36:11
  I
• 36:11
  mean,
• 36:11
  I
• 36:11
  always
• 36:12
  believed.
• 36:13
  And
• 36:14
  again,
• 36:14
  this
• 36:14
  is
• 36:14
  my
• 36:15
  first
• 36:15
  book.
• 36:15
  I
• 36:16
  worked
• 36:16
  on
• 36:16
  it
• 36:16
  a
• 36:16
  long
• 36:16
  time,
• 36:16
  and
• 36:17
  I've
• 36:17
  been
• 36:17
  a
• 36:17
  writer
• 36:17
  for
• 36:17
  many
• 36:18
  years,
• 36:18
  a
• 36:18
  comedian,
• 36:18
  but
• 36:19
  I've
• 36:19
  always
• 36:20
  believed
• 36:20
  that
• 36:20
  if
• 36:20
  it
• 36:20
  found
• 36:21
  its
• 36:21
  audience,
• 36:21
  it
• 36:21
  would
• 36:22
  land.
• 36:22
  And
• 36:22
  I've
• 36:23
  been
• 36:23
  so
• 36:23
  humbled
• 36:24
  by
• 36:24
  the
• 36:24
  response
• 36:24
  from
• 36:25
  people,
• 36:25
  from
• 36:26
  poor
• 36:27
  folks
• 36:27
  who
• 36:27
  waited
• 36:27
  weeks
• 36:27
  to
• 36:28
  get
• 36:28
  it
• 36:28
  in
• 36:28
  the
• 36:28
  library
• 36:29
  to
• 36:29
  some
• 36:30
  very
• 36:30
  kind
• 36:31
  celebrities
• 36:31
  and
• 36:31
  big
• 36:32
  shots
• 36:32
  who've
• 36:32
  given
• 36:33
  me
• 36:33
  some
• 36:33
  very
• 36:33
  kind
• 36:34
  blurbs.
• 36:35
  You
• 36:35
  know,
• 36:35
  most
• 36:35
  of
• 36:36
  the
• 36:36
  criticism
• 36:36
  about
• 36:36
  it
• 36:37
  has
• 36:38
  been
• 36:38
  people
• 36:38
  who
• 36:38
  just
• 36:38
  don't
• 36:39
  like
• 36:39
  me
• 36:40
  when
• 36:40
  I
• 36:40
  read,
• 36:40
  like,
• 36:41
  reviews
• 36:41
  on
• 36:41
  Audible
• 36:42
  or
• 36:42
  Goodreads
• 36:42
  or
• 36:43
  Amazon.
• 36:43
  It's
• 36:44
  people
• 36:44
  who
• 36:44
  don't
• 36:44
  like
• 36:44
  my
• 36:44
  humor,
• 36:45
  don't
• 36:45
  like
• 36:45
  my
• 36:45
  tone,
• 36:45
  don't
• 36:46
  like
• 36:46
  how
• 36:46
  I
• 36:46
  sound
• 36:46
  on
• 36:47
  the
• 36:47
  audiobook.
• 36:48
  But
• 36:48
  some
• 36:48
  people
• 36:48
  don't
• 36:49
  like
• 36:49
  how
• 36:49
  I
• 36:49
  talk
• 36:49
  about
• 36:50
  Paul.
• 36:50
  But
• 36:51
  I
• 36:51
  haven't
• 36:51
  had
• 36:51
  anybody
• 36:52
  tearing
• 36:52
  apart
• 36:52
  my
• 36:53
  arguments
• 36:53
  about
• 36:53
  Christ
• 36:53
  in
• 36:54
  this.
• 36:54
  Their
• 36:54
  attacks
• 36:55
  are
• 36:55
  against
• 36:55
  me
• 36:55
  personally.
• 36:56
  So
• 36:56
  I
• 36:57
  understand
• 36:57
  why
• 36:57
  they
• 36:57
  feel
• 36:57
  threatened.
• 36:58
  Because
• 36:59
  nobody
• 36:59
  hates
• 37:00
  like
• 37:00
  a
• 37:00
  Christian
• 37:01
  who's
• 37:01
  just
• 37:01
  been
• 37:02
  told
• 37:02
  their
• 37:02
  hate
• 37:02
  isn't
• 37:03
  Christian.
• 37:04
  But
• 37:04
  the.
• 37:05
  Honestly,
• 37:06
  I
• 37:06
  expected
• 37:06
  a
• 37:06
  lot
• 37:07
  more
• 37:07
  negativity
• 37:07
  than
• 37:08
  I
• 37:08
  received.
• 37:08
  I
• 37:08
  was
• 37:09
  all
• 37:09
  ready
• 37:09
  to
• 37:09
  go
• 37:10
  on
• 37:10
  Fox
• 37:10
  News
• 37:10
  and
• 37:11
  I
• 37:11
  told
• 37:11
  my
• 37:11
  publicists
• 37:12
  I
• 37:12
  want
• 37:12
  to
• 37:12
  go
• 37:12
  out
• 37:12
  there
• 37:12
  and
• 37:13
  get
• 37:13
  tape
• 37:13
  of
• 37:13
  me
• 37:13
  debating
• 37:14
  these
• 37:14
  right
• 37:14
  wingers.
• 37:15
  And
• 37:15
  like,
• 37:15
  the
• 37:15
  right
• 37:16
  wingers
• 37:16
  did
• 37:16
  not
• 37:17
  want
• 37:17
  to
• 37:17
  have
• 37:17
  me
• 37:18
  step
• 37:18
  into
• 37:18
  their
• 37:18
  room.
• 37:19
  So
• 37:19
  hopefully,
• 37:19
  hopefully
• 37:20
  more
• 37:20
  in
• 37:20
  the
• 37:20
  new
• 37:20
  year.
• 37:20
  But
• 37:21
  I've
• 37:21
  been
• 37:21
  overwhelmed
• 37:22
  by
• 37:22
  it
• 37:22
  from
• 37:23
  people
• 37:23
  of
• 37:24
  different
• 37:24
  races,
• 37:25
  different
• 37:26
  age
• 37:26
  groups,
• 37:27
  different
• 37:27
  economic
• 37:28
  strata,
• 37:28
  young
• 37:28
  people,
• 37:29
  old
• 37:29
  people,
• 37:29
  queer
• 37:30
  people.
• 37:30
  And
• 37:30
  it's
• 37:31
  been
• 37:31
  very
• 37:31
  moving
• 37:31
  to
• 37:32
  have
• 37:32
  Christians
• 37:32
  tell
• 37:32
  me
• 37:33
  this
• 37:33
  validates
• 37:33
  all
• 37:33
  my
• 37:33
  beliefs
• 37:34
  and
• 37:34
  have
• 37:35
  atheists
• 37:35
  tell
• 37:35
  me
• 37:36
  this
• 37:36
  validates
• 37:36
  all
• 37:36
  my
• 37:36
  beliefs
• 37:37
  for
• 37:37
  the
• 37:37
  same
• 37:37
  work.
• 37:38
  So
• 37:38
  thank
• 37:39
  you.
• 37:39
  Yeah,
• 37:39
  that's
• 37:40
  quite
• 37:40
  an
• 37:40
  accomplishment.
• 37:41
  You
• 37:41
  put
• 37:41
  all
• 37:41
  that
• 37:42
  together
• 37:42
  and
• 37:43
  it's
• 37:43
  just
• 37:43
  brilliant.
• 37:44
  Well,
• 37:44
  when
• 37:44
  gentlemen
• 37:45
  like
• 37:45
  you
• 37:45
  who
• 37:45
  are
• 37:45
  learned
• 37:46
  and
• 37:46
  kind
• 37:47
  and
• 37:47
  know
• 37:47
  the
• 37:47
  Gospels
• 37:48
  read
• 37:48
  my
• 37:49
  little
• 37:49
  knock
• 37:49
  knock
• 37:50
  jokes
• 37:50
  and
• 37:50
  like
• 37:50
  it,
• 37:50
  it
• 37:51
  means
• 37:51
  so
• 37:51
  much
• 37:51
  more.
• 37:52
  I
• 37:52
  mean,
• 37:52
  it's
• 37:52
  one
• 37:53
  thing
• 37:53
  to
• 37:53
  have
• 37:53
  a
• 37:53
  confused
• 37:54
  kid
• 37:54
  like
• 37:54
  me
• 37:54
  read
• 37:54
  it
• 37:54
  and
• 37:54
  be
• 37:55
  like,
• 37:55
  ah,
• 37:55
  so
• 37:55
  that's
• 37:55
  what
• 37:55
  it
• 37:56
  says.
• 37:56
  But
• 37:56
  to
• 37:56
  have
• 37:57
  folks
• 37:57
  like
• 37:57
  you
• 37:57
  who
• 37:57
  know
• 37:57
  what
• 37:58
  they're
• 37:58
  talking
• 37:58
  about
• 37:58
  respond
• 37:59
  to
• 37:59
  the
• 37:59
  work
• 37:59
  is
• 37:59
  deeply
• 38:00
  gratifying.
• 38:01
  It's
• 38:01
  been
• 38:02
  deeply
• 38:02
  touching
• 38:03
  to
• 38:03
  read
• 38:03
  and
• 38:04
  as
• 38:04
  I
• 38:05
  said,
• 38:05
  a
• 38:06
  lot
• 38:06
  of
• 38:06
  great
• 38:06
  laugh.
• 38:08
  I
• 38:08
  notice
• 38:08
  after
• 38:09
  a
• 38:09
  number
• 38:09
  of
• 38:09
  your
• 38:09
  comments
• 38:10
  about
• 38:10
  how
• 38:10
  to
• 38:11
  respond
• 38:11
  to
• 38:11
  people,
• 38:12
  you
• 38:12
  say,
• 38:12
  yeah,
• 38:13
  you
• 38:13
  probably
• 38:13
  won't
• 38:13
  get
• 38:14
  invited
• 38:14
  back
• 38:14
  again,
• 38:15
  but
• 38:15
  you
• 38:15
  will
• 38:15
  be
• 38:16
  remembered.
• 38:17
  Yeah,
• 38:18
  I
• 38:18
  mean,
• 38:18
  and
• 38:18
  that's
• 38:18
  true.
• 38:19
  You
• 38:19
  know,
• 38:19
  I
• 38:19
  don't
• 38:19
  think
• 38:19
  you
• 38:19
  can
• 38:20
  actually
• 38:20
  sway
• 38:20
  a
• 38:20
  fundamentalist.
• 38:21
  These
• 38:21
  people
• 38:21
  are
• 38:22
  in
• 38:22
  a
• 38:22
  sort
• 38:22
  of
• 38:22
  cult
• 38:23
  and
• 38:23
  they
• 38:23
  been
• 38:23
  there
• 38:23
  their
• 38:24
  whole
• 38:24
  time.
• 38:24
  And
• 38:24
  we
• 38:25
  see
• 38:25
  this
• 38:25
  with
• 38:25
  our
• 38:25
  Muslim
• 38:26
  friends
• 38:26
  too
• 38:26
  when
• 38:27
  they
• 38:27
  go
• 38:27
  really
• 38:27
  far
• 38:28
  to
• 38:28
  the
• 38:28
  right.
• 38:28
  And
• 38:29
  you
• 38:29
  know,
• 38:29
  fundamentalism
• 38:31
  means
• 38:31
  you
• 38:31
  don't
• 38:32
  think
• 38:32
  you're
• 38:32
  better
• 38:32
  than
• 38:32
  other
• 38:33
  people.
• 38:33
  You
• 38:33
  know,
• 38:34
  that
• 38:34
  God
• 38:35
  thinks
• 38:35
  you're
• 38:35
  better
• 38:35
  than
• 38:36
  other
• 38:36
  people.
• 38:36
  Fundamentalists
• 38:37
  are
• 38:37
  on
• 38:37
  the
• 38:38
  true
• 38:38
  side
• 38:38
  of
• 38:38
  the
• 38:38
  one
• 38:39
  true
• 38:39
  God.
• 38:40
  Which
• 38:40
  means
• 38:40
  if
• 38:40
  you
• 38:40
  oppose
• 38:41
  me,
• 38:42
  you're
• 38:42
  opposing
• 38:42
  God,
• 38:43
  you're
• 38:44
  representing
• 38:44
  Satan.
• 38:45
  If
• 38:45
  you
• 38:45
  oppose,
• 38:46
  all
• 38:46
  of
• 38:46
  your
• 38:46
  viewers
• 38:47
  probably
• 38:47
  know
• 38:47
  someone
• 38:47
  in
• 38:47
  their
• 38:48
  family
• 38:48
  like
• 38:48
  this,
• 38:48
  you're
• 38:49
  opposing
• 38:49
  me,
• 38:49
  you
• 38:50
  oppose,
• 38:50
  you
• 38:50
  work
• 38:51
  with
• 38:51
  Satan.
• 38:51
  And
• 38:51
  I'm
• 38:51
  not
• 38:51
  going
• 38:52
  to
• 38:52
  negotiate
• 38:53
  school
• 38:53
  curriculum
• 38:54
  or
• 38:54
  what
• 38:54
  marriage
• 38:55
  is
• 38:55
  with
• 38:55
  Satan.
• 38:56
  And
• 38:57
  that
• 38:57
  is
• 38:57
  the
• 38:57
  cancer
• 38:58
  that's
• 38:58
  wrecking
• 38:59
  the
• 38:59
  world's
• 39:00
  great
• 39:00
  religions.
• 39:01
  Fundamentalism
• 39:02
  has
• 39:02
  nothing
• 39:02
  to
• 39:03
  do
• 39:03
  with
• 39:03
  Jesus.
• 39:03
  It
• 39:04
  has
• 39:04
  everything
• 39:04
  to
• 39:04
  do
• 39:04
  with
• 39:05
  religions
• 39:05
  that
• 39:05
  control
• 39:06
  people.
• 39:07
  And
• 39:07
  that's
• 39:07
  what
• 39:07
  turns
• 39:08
  people
• 39:08
  off
• 39:08
  to
• 39:09
  faith.
• 39:09
  So
• 39:10
  it's
• 39:10
  just
• 39:11
  the
• 39:11
  response
• 39:12
  from
• 39:12
  atheists
• 39:13
  and
• 39:13
  agnostic
• 39:14
  brothers
• 39:14
  and
• 39:14
  sisters
• 39:15
  has
• 39:15
  been.
• 39:15
  So
• 39:15
  I
• 39:16
  was
• 39:16
  invited
• 39:16
  to
• 39:16
  go
• 39:16
  speak
• 39:16
  at
• 39:17
  the
• 39:17
  Freedom
• 39:17
  from
• 39:17
  Religion
• 39:18
  convention
• 39:18
  in
• 39:18
  Myrtle
• 39:19
  beach
• 39:19
  and
• 39:20
  oh
• 39:20
  my
• 39:20
  God,
• 39:20
  I'm
• 39:20
  telling
• 39:21
  you,
• 39:21
  I'm
• 39:21
  showing
• 39:21
  up
• 39:21
  there
• 39:22
  with
• 39:22
  my
• 39:22
  book
• 39:22
  about
• 39:23
  Jesus
• 39:23
  to
• 39:23
  give
• 39:23
  a
• 39:23
  lecture
• 39:24
  and
• 39:24
  I
• 39:25
  got
• 39:25
  2000
• 39:25
  atheists
• 39:26
  like
• 39:26
  cheering
• 39:27
  for
• 39:27
  Jesus.
• 39:27
  It's
• 39:28
  like
• 39:28
  there's
• 39:29
  a
• 39:29
  lot
• 39:29
  of
• 39:29
  good
• 39:29
  people
• 39:29
  out
• 39:30
  there.
• 39:30
  And
• 39:31
  we've
• 39:31
  seen
• 39:31
  throughout
• 39:32
  history
• 39:32
  it
• 39:32
  takes
• 39:33
  coalitions
• 39:34
  of
• 39:34
  Christ
• 39:35
  followers
• 39:35
  with
• 39:36
  non
• 39:36
  Christian
• 39:37
  allies
• 39:37
  to
• 39:38
  beat
• 39:38
  back
• 39:39
  the
• 39:39
  batshit
• 39:39
  Christians.
• 39:41
  And
• 39:41
  John,
• 39:41
  you
• 39:41
  just
• 39:42
  pointed
• 39:42
  to
• 39:43
  the
• 39:43
  fact
• 39:43
  that
• 39:44
  fundamentalism
• 39:44
  is
• 39:45
  not
• 39:45
  in
• 39:45
  any
• 39:45
  way
• 39:46
  unique
• 39:47
  to
• 39:47
  Christianity.
• 39:48
  In
• 39:48
  fact,
• 39:49
  it's.
• 39:49
  One
• 39:49
  can
• 39:50
  find
• 39:50
  it
• 39:50
  to
• 39:51
  varying
• 39:51
  degrees
• 39:51
  in
• 39:52
  each
• 39:52
  of
• 39:53
  the
• 39:53
  great
• 39:53
  religions.
• 39:53
  There's
• 39:54
  certainly,
• 39:55
  certainly
• 39:57
  most
• 39:58
  publicity
• 39:59
  has
• 39:59
  gone
• 39:59
  to
• 40:00
  Islamic
• 40:00
  fundamentalism,
• 40:01
  but
• 40:02
  that's
• 40:02
  not
• 40:02
  unique.
• 40:03
  Now
• 40:03
  we
• 40:03
  have
• 40:03
  Hindu
• 40:04
  nationalistic
• 40:05
  religion
• 40:06
  under
• 40:06
  MODI
• 40:07
  gaining
• 40:07
  enormous
• 40:08
  power
• 40:08
  in
• 40:08
  India.
• 40:09
  You
• 40:09
  know,
• 40:10
  there's
• 40:10
  always
• 40:10
  been
• 40:10
  a
• 40:10
  jewish,
• 40:11
  ultra
• 40:11
  orthodox,
• 40:12
  etc.
• 40:13
  And
• 40:13
  maybe
• 40:14
  to
• 40:14
  bring
• 40:14
  in
• 40:14
  the
• 40:15
  framework
• 40:15
  that
• 40:16
  John
• 40:16
  and
• 40:16
  I
• 40:16
  work
• 40:16
  with
• 40:17
  a
• 40:17
  lot.
• 40:17
  Well,
• 40:17
  part
• 40:17
  of
• 40:18
  what
• 40:18
  we're
• 40:18
  very
• 40:18
  interested
• 40:19
  in
• 40:19
  is
• 40:20
  adult
• 40:20
  psychological
• 40:21
  development.
• 40:22
  Yes.
• 40:22
  And
• 40:22
  what's
• 40:23
  now
• 40:23
  very
• 40:24
  clear
• 40:25
  is
• 40:25
  that
• 40:26
  fundamentalism
• 40:27
  is
• 40:27
  an
• 40:27
  expression
• 40:28
  of
• 40:28
  a
• 40:29
  particular
• 40:29
  developmental
• 40:30
  stage
• 40:30
  which
• 40:30
  is
• 40:31
  called
• 40:31
  maintaining
• 40:32
  norms.
• 40:33
  And
• 40:33
  at
• 40:33
  that
• 40:34
  stage,
• 40:34
  which
• 40:34
  is
• 40:35
  pretty
• 40:35
  much
• 40:35
  the
• 40:36
  conventional
• 40:37
  stage,
• 40:37
  what
• 40:38
  is
• 40:38
  really
• 40:39
  important
• 40:39
  to
• 40:40
  people
• 40:40
  is
• 40:41
  having
• 40:42
  a
• 40:42
  clarity
• 40:43
  of
• 40:43
  understanding,
• 40:45
  even
• 40:45
  if
• 40:45
  it's
• 40:45
  rigid,
• 40:46
  a
• 40:47
  absolute
• 40:48
  belief
• 40:48
  that,
• 40:49
  you
• 40:50
  know,
• 40:50
  the
• 40:50
  things
• 40:50
  black
• 40:51
  and
• 40:51
  white,
• 40:51
  black
• 40:52
  and
• 40:52
  white,
• 40:52
  they're
• 40:53
  doing
• 40:53
  it
• 40:53
  right.
• 40:54
  And
• 40:54
  a
• 40:55
  willingness
• 40:55
  which
• 40:56
  can
• 40:56
  be
• 40:56
  both
• 40:56
  an
• 40:56
  incredible
• 40:57
  strength
• 40:57
  and
• 40:58
  a
• 40:58
  great
• 40:58
  tragedy
• 40:59
  to
• 41:00
  really
• 41:00
  put
• 41:00
  themselves
• 41:01
  on
• 41:01
  the
• 41:01
  line,
• 41:02
  including
• 41:02
  even
• 41:03
  their
• 41:03
  lives
• 41:03
  sometimes
• 41:04
  for
• 41:05
  what
• 41:05
  are
• 41:06
  maintaining
• 41:06
  the
• 41:06
  norm
• 41:08
  and
• 41:08
  which
• 41:09
  is.
• 41:09
  So
• 41:10
  this
• 41:10
  is,
• 41:10
  it's
• 41:11
  more
• 41:11
  than
• 41:11
  just
• 41:11
  a
• 41:12
  perspective.
• 41:12
  It's
• 41:13
  actually
• 41:14
  rooted
• 41:14
  in
• 41:14
  a
• 41:14
  particular
• 41:15
  developmental
• 41:15
  stage.
• 41:16
  And
• 41:16
  to
• 41:17
  move
• 41:17
  beyond
• 41:18
  so
• 41:19
  called
• 41:19
  post
• 41:20
  conventional
• 41:21
  psychological
• 41:22
  stage
• 41:23
  means
• 41:24
  being
• 41:25
  willing
• 41:25
  and
• 41:26
  able
• 41:26
  to
• 41:27
  really
• 41:27
  step
• 41:27
  back
• 41:28
  and
• 41:28
  start
• 41:29
  questioning
• 41:30
  the
• 41:30
  myths
• 41:31
  which
• 41:32
  we've
• 41:32
  been
• 41:32
  given
• 41:32
  by
• 41:33
  our
• 41:33
  culture
• 41:33
  and
• 41:34
  have
• 41:34
  inculcated.
• 41:35
  Amen.
• 41:35
  And
• 41:36
  begin
• 41:36
  to
• 41:37
  ask,
• 41:37
  well,
• 41:37
  wait
• 41:37
  on.
• 41:37
  Is
• 41:38
  it
• 41:38
  really
• 41:38
  true
• 41:38
  that
• 41:39
  you
• 41:39
  know
• 41:40
  my
• 41:40
  country,
• 41:40
  right
• 41:40
  or
• 41:41
  wrong,
• 41:41
  or
• 41:41
  that
• 41:41
  women's
• 41:42
  place
• 41:42
  is
• 41:42
  in
• 41:42
  the
• 41:42
  home
• 41:43
  or
• 41:43
  that
• 41:44
  you
• 41:44
  know,
• 41:44
  et
• 41:44
  cetera,
• 41:45
  et
• 41:45
  cetera,
• 41:45
  et
• 41:45
  cetera.
• 41:46
  And
• 41:46
  that's
• 41:46
  a
• 41:46
  big
• 41:47
  ask.
• 41:47
  And
• 41:48
  our
• 41:48
  culture
• 41:48
  does
• 41:49
  not
• 41:49
  give.
• 41:50
  First
• 41:50
  off,
• 41:51
  our
• 41:51
  culture
• 41:51
  doesn't
• 41:51
  understand
• 41:52
  adult
• 41:52
  development.
• 41:53
  So
• 41:53
  correct.
• 41:54
  Doesn't
• 41:54
  provide
• 41:55
  any
• 41:55
  framework
• 41:56
  or
• 41:57
  motivation
• 41:58
  or
• 41:59
  institutional
• 42:00
  support
• 42:00
  for
• 42:00
  that
• 42:00
  kind
• 42:01
  of
• 42:01
  maturation.
• 42:02
  So
• 42:02
  to
• 42:02
  a
• 42:02
  large
• 42:02
  extent,
• 42:03
  people
• 42:03
  are
• 42:03
  on
• 42:03
  their
• 42:03
  own
• 42:04
  and
• 42:04
  it's
• 42:04
  a
• 42:05
  challenge.
• 42:05
  So
• 42:06
  this
• 42:06
  is
• 42:06
  why
• 42:06
  I
• 42:06
  was
• 42:06
  so
• 42:06
  thrilled
• 42:07
  to
• 42:07
  be
• 42:07
  on
• 42:07
  your
• 42:07
  show,
• 42:07
  because
• 42:08
  this
• 42:08
  is
• 42:08
  the
• 42:08
  stuff
• 42:08
  I
• 42:08
  want
• 42:09
  to
• 42:09
  learn
• 42:09
  more
• 42:09
  about.
• 42:09
  Because,
• 42:10
  and
• 42:10
  you
• 42:10
  explained
• 42:11
  it
• 42:11
  beautifully.
• 42:11
  I'm
• 42:12
  sorry
• 42:12
  to
• 42:12
  cut
• 42:12
  off,
• 42:13
  but
• 42:13
  please
• 42:13
  go
• 42:13
  ahead.
• 42:13
  No,
• 42:14
  yeah,
• 42:15
  no.
• 42:15
  So
• 42:15
  just
• 42:16
  to
• 42:16
  say
• 42:16
  that
• 42:17
  when
• 42:18
  we
• 42:18
  understand
• 42:18
  fundamentalism
• 42:19
  in
• 42:19
  this
• 42:19
  way,
• 42:20
  we
• 42:20
  can
• 42:20
  understand
• 42:21
  that
• 42:21
  it
• 42:22
  is
• 42:22
  really
• 42:23
  congruent
• 42:23
  with
• 42:24
  the
• 42:24
  way
• 42:25
  that
• 42:25
  particular
• 42:26
  stage
• 42:26
  of
• 42:27
  development
• 42:28
  operates.
• 42:29
  And
• 42:29
  it's
• 42:30
  very
• 42:30
  deep
• 42:31
  seated.
• 42:31
  It's
• 42:32
  very
• 42:32
  ego
• 42:33
  syntonic,
• 42:34
  meaning
• 42:34
  it's
• 42:34
  very
• 42:35
  congruent
• 42:36
  with
• 42:36
  people's
• 42:37
  needs
• 42:37
  at
• 42:37
  that
• 42:38
  stage.
• 42:39
  And
• 42:39
  given
• 42:40
  that
• 42:40
  understanding,
• 42:41
  it
• 42:41
  makes
• 42:41
  sense
• 42:41
  of
• 42:42
  why,
• 42:42
  as
• 42:42
  you
• 42:43
  point
• 42:43
  out
• 42:43
  in
• 42:43
  your
• 42:43
  book
• 42:44
  so
• 42:44
  many
• 42:44
  times.
• 42:44
  And
• 42:45
  I
• 42:45
  just
• 42:45
  want
• 42:45
  to.
• 42:45
  Well,
• 42:46
  I'll
• 42:46
  back
• 42:46
  to
• 42:46
  that
• 42:47
  in
• 42:47
  a
• 42:47
  moment.
• 42:47
  But
• 42:48
  it
• 42:48
  makes
• 42:48
  a
• 42:48
  lot
• 42:48
  of
• 42:48
  sense.
• 42:49
  It's
• 42:49
  so
• 42:49
  hard
• 42:50
  to
• 42:50
  talk
• 42:50
  people
• 42:50
  out
• 42:51
  of
• 42:51
  this
• 42:52
  now.
• 42:53
  It's
• 42:53
  not
• 42:53
  by
• 42:53
  no
• 42:54
  means
• 42:54
  impossible.
• 42:55
  And
• 42:56
  another
• 42:56
  thing
• 42:57
  that's
• 42:57
  very
• 42:57
  important,
• 42:58
  which
• 42:58
  dovetails
• 42:59
  with
• 42:59
  what
• 42:59
  you
• 43:00
  say
• 43:00
  is
• 43:01
  when
• 43:01
  you
• 43:01
  attack
• 43:02
  people
• 43:03
  or
• 43:03
  critique
• 43:04
  people
• 43:04
  at
• 43:05
  this
• 43:05
  stage,
• 43:06
  they
• 43:06
  will
• 43:06
  go
• 43:07
  into
• 43:07
  defensive
• 43:07
  mode
• 43:08
  and
• 43:09
  get
• 43:09
  even
• 43:10
  further
• 43:10
  deeply
• 43:11
  rooted
• 43:11
  and
• 43:12
  very,
• 43:13
  very
• 43:13
  threatened
• 43:14
  and
• 43:14
  defensive.
• 43:15
  You're
• 43:15
  on
• 43:15
  the
• 43:15
  side
• 43:15
  of
• 43:15
  Satan.
• 43:16
  You're
• 43:16
  on
• 43:16
  the
• 43:16
  side
• 43:16
  of
• 43:17
  Satan.
• 43:18
  So
• 43:19
  just
• 43:19
  everything
• 43:20
  you
• 43:20
  say
• 43:20
  makes
• 43:21
  a
• 43:21
  total,
• 43:22
  just
• 43:22
  fits
• 43:22
  so
• 43:23
  beautifully
• 43:23
  with
• 43:23
  this.
• 43:24
  And,
• 43:25
  and
• 43:25
  that
• 43:25
  framework
• 43:26
  just
• 43:26
  adds
• 43:27
  something,
• 43:27
  I
• 43:27
  think,
• 43:27
  to
• 43:28
  our
• 43:28
  understanding.
• 43:29
  Roger,
• 43:29
  you're,
• 43:29
  you're
• 43:30
  so
• 43:30
  right
• 43:30
  and
• 43:30
  you
• 43:30
  speak
• 43:30
  so
• 43:31
  beautifully
• 43:31
  about
• 43:31
  it.
• 43:31
  And
• 43:32
  every
• 43:32
  religion
• 43:32
  has
• 43:33
  fundamentalism,
• 43:33
  Hinduism
• 43:34
  and
• 43:34
  Judaism
• 43:34
  and
• 43:35
  heck,
• 43:35
  I'm
• 43:35
  sure
• 43:35
  the
• 43:36
  Scientologists
• 43:36
  will
• 43:36
  get
• 43:37
  around
• 43:37
  to
• 43:37
  it.
• 43:37
  And
• 43:38
  I,
• 43:38
  I
• 43:38
  sort
• 43:39
  of
• 43:39
  break
• 43:39
  it
• 43:39
  down
• 43:39
  in
• 43:39
  the
• 43:40
  book.
• 43:40
  I
• 43:40
  have
• 43:40
  like
• 43:40
  a,
• 43:41
  you
• 43:41
  know,
• 43:41
  I,
• 43:41
  I
• 43:41
  believe
• 43:42
  that
• 43:42
  fundamentalist
• 43:42
  Christians
• 43:43
  have
• 43:43
  more
• 43:43
  in
• 43:44
  common
• 43:44
  with
• 43:44
  fundamentalist
• 43:45
  Muslims
• 43:46
  than
• 43:46
  they
• 43:46
  have
• 43:47
  in
• 43:47
  common
• 43:47
  with
• 43:47
  moderate
• 43:48
  and
• 43:48
  liberal
• 43:48
  Christians.
• 43:49
  Fundamentalism
• 43:50
  is
• 43:50
  its
• 43:50
  own
• 43:50
  island
• 43:51
  at
• 43:51
  this
• 43:51
  point.
• 43:52
  Stay
• 43:52
  tuned
• 43:53
  for
• 43:53
  part
• 43:53
  two
• 43:53
  of
• 43:54
  this
• 43:54
  conversation
• 43:54
  with
• 43:55
  John
• 43:55
  Fugelsang,
• 43:56
  where
• 43:56
  we
• 43:56
  explore
• 43:56
  how
• 43:57
  a
• 43:57
  huge
• 43:57
  portion
• 43:58
  of
• 43:58
  American
• 43:58
  Christians
• 43:59
  have
• 43:59
  taken
• 43:59
  Christianity
• 44:00
  and
• 44:01
  exchanged
• 44:01
  it
• 44:01
  for
• 44:02
  Christian
• 44:02
  nationalism.
• 44:03
  Thank
• 44:03
  you
• 44:04
  very
• 44:04
  much
• 44:04
  for
• 44:04
  being
• 44:05
  a
• 44:05
  part
• 44:05
  of
• 44:05
  this
• 44:05
  conversation.
• 44:06
  We
• 44:07
  hope
• 44:07
  that
• 44:07
  you
• 44:07
  were
• 44:07
  moved,
• 44:08
  as
• 44:08
  we
• 44:08
  are
• 44:09
  moved
• 44:09
  being
• 44:09
  part
• 44:09
  of
• 44:09
  it
• 44:10
  ourselves.
• 44:10
  We'd
• 44:11
  also
• 44:11
  like
• 44:11
  to
• 44:11
  say
• 44:12
  that
• 44:12
  this
• 44:12
  is
• 44:12
  being
• 44:13
  funded
• 44:13
  by
• 44:14
  Roger
• 44:14
  and
• 44:14
  myself.
• 44:14
  It
• 44:15
  comes
• 44:15
  out
• 44:15
  of
• 44:15
  our
• 44:15
  pockets.
• 44:15
  So
• 44:16
  if
• 44:16
  you
• 44:16
  would
• 44:16
  like
• 44:16
  to
• 44:16
  help
• 44:17
  us
• 44:17
  to
• 44:18
  mainly
• 44:18
  to
• 44:18
  get
• 44:19
  this
• 44:19
  podcast
• 44:19
  out
• 44:19
  to
• 44:20
  more
• 44:20
  people
• 44:20
  because
• 44:21
  the
• 44:21
  bigger
• 44:21
  audience
• 44:21
  have
• 44:22
  which
• 44:22
  is
• 44:22
  steadily
• 44:22
  growing.
• 44:23
  But
• 44:23
  the
• 44:23
  more
• 44:23
  people
• 44:23
  we
• 44:24
  can
• 44:24
  reach
• 44:24
  and
• 44:24
  the
• 44:24
  more
• 44:24
  marketing
• 44:25
  we
• 44:25
  can
• 44:25
  do,
• 44:26
  the
• 44:26
  more
• 44:26
  positive
• 44:27
  effect
• 44:27
  we
• 44:27
  can
• 44:27
  have
• 44:27
  on
• 44:28
  the
• 44:28
  world.
• 44:28
  So
• 44:28
  we've
• 44:29
  done
• 44:29
  a
• 44:29
  couple
• 44:29
  of
• 44:29
  ways,
• 44:29
  but
• 44:30
  we'd
• 44:30
  like
• 44:30
  you
• 44:30
  to
• 44:30
  buy
• 44:31
  us
• 44:31
  a
• 44:31
  cup
• 44:31
  of
• 44:31
  coffee.
• 44:32
  Very
• 44:32
  simple.
• 44:32
  And
• 44:33
  I
• 44:33
  do
• 44:33
  that
• 44:33
  with
• 44:33
  podcasts
• 44:34
  that
• 44:34
  I
• 44:35
  support
• 44:35
  and
• 44:36
  I
• 44:36
  find
• 44:36
  it's
• 44:36
  very
• 44:37
  satisfying.
• 44:37
  So
• 44:38
  thank
• 44:38
  you
• 44:38
  for
• 44:38
  your
• 44:38
  help.
• 44:39
  Thank
• 44:39
  you
• 44:39
  for
• 44:39
  yoforyourpresenceandthankingforall
• 44:41
  you
• 44:41
  are
• 44:41
  and
• 44:42
  all
• 44:42
  youdo.
• 43:52
  We
• 44:09
  love
• 44:26
  you.