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Ep. 917: Out-of-Towners Take Over The News: Murder, Pronghorn, Helicopters, and More! · The MeatEater Podcast

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the news show. Today, We've got Tony waging
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: war on wakeboats, Jordan recounting how a backwoods hermit was
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: charged with murder, Maggie educating us on antelope migration corridors.
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: Brent wants Arkansas hikers to pay their fair share. Mark
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  Speaker 1: is covering unprecedented fishing closures across the West, and more.
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  Speaker 1: But first, our news n so satisfying, Phil, I like that,
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  Speaker 1: really really working your magic with that sounder. We've got
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  Speaker 1: all my favorite out of town people here today.
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  Speaker 2: That's my news.
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  Speaker 1: We got Tony Peterson, Maggie hud Though, Mark Kenyon, Nate
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  Speaker 1: Mason not a not a town person, Jordan Siller's and
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  Speaker 1: Brent Reeves. Once a summer we have them come to
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  Speaker 1: Bozeman for a thing we call the hooton Nanny. We
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  Speaker 1: hang out with our favorite folks, our favorite brands, and
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  Speaker 1: spend a few times, spend a few days together. My
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  Speaker 1: two favorite things that I saw this week that I
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  Speaker 1: think is noteworthy for for our audience. The first one
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  Speaker 1: was the can am ev ATV. They had talked about
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  Speaker 1: this ahead of time. They're like, yeah, it's really quiet,
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  Speaker 1: it's actually silent. It's like okay, yeah, silent, okay, silent ATV.
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  Speaker 1: It was literally silent. That thing didn't make any noise.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like all the hunters there like, really, we're
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  Speaker 1: trying to find the noise that that thing would make,
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  Speaker 1: and it just didn't make any at all. That'll be
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  Speaker 1: a game changer, I think for some hunters across the country.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know an ATV could be that quiet. It's
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  Speaker 1: as loud as a bicycle. I would say that is
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  Speaker 1: pretty sweet.
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  Speaker 3: So many of us have seen the you know, electric
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  Speaker 3: bikes blow up in our in the white tail world,
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  Speaker 3: but I feel like when you have that added capacity
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  Speaker 3: of an ATV, that's pretty that's pretty slick.
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  Speaker 1: Wildly cool. Didn't think it was pos.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody I was standing beside said, oh, Turkey season, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you could cover some ground with it.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Fur of our news, we got Jordan Sillers
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  Speaker 1: updating us on the Blood Trails mini series.
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  Speaker 3: Jordan, Yes, So, first Blood Trails miniseriies is out all
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  Speaker 3: three episodes.
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  Speaker 5: It's called Paradise Prison.
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  Speaker 3: It's about hunters and gun owners who were caught in
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  Speaker 3: Turks and Caicos, which is a Caribbean archipelago. They were
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  Speaker 3: caught with ammunition in their luggage. This came out really
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  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four. It really went viral, partly because
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  Speaker 3: they were threatening them with pretty serious prison time. There
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  Speaker 3: was a mandatory minimum twelve years in prison for this
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  Speaker 3: mistake that a lot of people, like a lot of hunters,
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  Speaker 3: if you travel to hunt, if you go to the
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  Speaker 3: range a lot, this is something you worry about and
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  Speaker 3: you tried not to do, but it's you know, it
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  Speaker 3: can happen, and these guys were were under some pretty
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  Speaker 3: serious threats, and so the mini series covers some things,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of things that didn't come out at the
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  Speaker 3: time because these guys were on the island. They didn't
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  Speaker 3: want to say everything that was happening because they were
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  Speaker 3: worried about retaliation. And so now they can kind of
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  Speaker 3: share the full story and it's pretty wild.
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  Speaker 1: You know, our audience is probably vaguely aware of this
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  Speaker 1: story to some extent because we covered it in the past.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked to them at the time. Yeah, we
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  Speaker 3: had an article. Steve talked to them briefly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that mini series is out right now. The
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  Speaker 1: first time I ever flew on my own in college,
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  Speaker 1: I was very anxious about, like following all the laws,
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  Speaker 1: Like what if I have one ounce too much toothpaste,
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna throw me at jail. Right, Yeah, everything went
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  Speaker 1: fine going through TSA. The guy behind me who I
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  Speaker 1: worked with at the time, had a bullet in his backpack.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't get on the plane that day, but it
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  Speaker 1: made me feel a lot better about my preparedness for flying.
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  Speaker 3: One of the women who was caught and jailed, she
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  Speaker 3: was actually handcuffed to a chair for four days because
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  Speaker 3: they didn't have a facility for her. TSA caught her
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  Speaker 3: lotion in Florida, but not the bullets in her bag.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, And they threw the lotion away and let
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  Speaker 3: her on the plane.
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  Speaker 5: I made it through.
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  Speaker 6: One time I had I was going to a bear
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  Speaker 6: hunt in Quebec, and I had a knife, a metal
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  Speaker 6: decoy steak, and turkey loads shotgun shells in my bag,
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  Speaker 6: and they TSA pulled me aside and they're like, man,
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  Speaker 6: you got a lot of stuff here, and I'm like, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: You got me.
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  Speaker 6: And then when I got to my destination, they never
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  Speaker 6: grabbed the shotgun shells, so they pulled the decoy steak
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  Speaker 6: in my knife and they just let me through with
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  Speaker 6: turkey loads.
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  Speaker 1: Terrorist, Tony, that's why they call them. How many episodes, Jordan.
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  Speaker 3: There's three episodes in the mini series. Okay, yep, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they're all they're all out now, great, so go.
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  Speaker 2: Go listen to them.
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  Speaker 1: Maggie, Hold, what's your news? What do you got going on?
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  Speaker 7: Oh? I got a couple exciting things coming up in August.
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  Speaker 7: My niece is five years old and we're taking her
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  Speaker 7: on her first backpacking trip. And she just came up
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  Speaker 7: to me last night and she said, Aunt, Maggie, I'm
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  Speaker 7: so excited to go backpacking. I've never been on a
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  Speaker 7: backpacking trip before. Uh So we're taking her up in
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  Speaker 7: the winds. We'll see how it goes. She's been practicing
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  Speaker 7: this summer, she's been hiking. We're not going very far,
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  Speaker 7: but a good first experience for her.
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  Speaker 1: Mar Kenyon, any advice for taking a young child on
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  Speaker 1: a backpacking trip. You have an experience with this.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, for sure. We've been taking our boys that
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  Speaker 3: a long time. And I was gonna ask how many nights?
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  Speaker 3: How many miles?
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  Speaker 7: We're only going in about five miles and it's going
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  Speaker 7: to be two or three nights, depending on how things go.
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  Speaker 7: We're flexible. Yeah, but it's a very easy trail.
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  Speaker 3: One of the first big bat not big, but one
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  Speaker 3: of the first backpacking trips we did with our kids
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  Speaker 3: was in the winds up into one of the areas
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  Speaker 3: that you and I were just talking about earlier. I
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  Speaker 3: won't mention it. We don't want to spop her.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know where you're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, bring gummy bears or some kind of easy
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  Speaker 3: access like incentive throughout the hike, so that whenever they're
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  Speaker 3: kind of hitting that slow down period or starting to
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  Speaker 3: complaining and be like, hey, five more gummy bears, or
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  Speaker 3: if we can make it to that big rock, you
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  Speaker 3: get a gummy bear, or if we can.
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  Speaker 2: Think Dave does for me.
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  Speaker 3: So so yeah, lots of snacks. Find ways to add
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  Speaker 3: like games and stories throughout. Like story time is like
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  Speaker 3: a cheek code when hiking with our kids if you
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  Speaker 3: can just get a story going. Sometimes they just want
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  Speaker 3: to hear like real life stories, or other times, like
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  Speaker 3: last night, I took the kids for a run and
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  Speaker 3: they just wanted me to make up a story. So
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  Speaker 3: then we'll kind of do a joint storytelling exercise where
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  Speaker 3: all start and then they'll throw in like colorful details like, actually, Dad,
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  Speaker 3: he's not riding a horse. How about he's riding a
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  Speaker 3: robot cheetah. And then you just kind of go with dad,
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  Speaker 3: and so if you can do that, that will get
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  Speaker 3: you through those long kind of slogging miles on the
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  Speaker 3: back packing trip. And then yeah, I mean, just for me,
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  Speaker 3: it was an expectation reset when it came to camping
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  Speaker 3: and hiking with the kids. It just went from realizing
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  Speaker 3: that what I want to do and how far I
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  Speaker 3: want to go and what my goals are that has
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  Speaker 3: to just go out the window. If it's going if
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  Speaker 3: it was going to be three miles, but instead we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna go one mile. But the kids are having a blast.
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  Speaker 3: That's a win. And I know they're not your kids.
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  Speaker 3: It's not your child, so it's maybe a little different.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you just kick her in the tail and they
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  Speaker 3: get going.
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  Speaker 7: I'll love the candy in my pocket, not diabetics. So
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  Speaker 7: I got that locked down. And my mom is a
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  Speaker 7: school teacher for years, so she's you know, she's got
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  Speaker 7: the activities I'm sure already planned.
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  Speaker 3: It's so fun to see them out there learning to
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  Speaker 3: love these things and experience them. You're gonna have a blast.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, I'm very excited.
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  Speaker 1: Here's how ignorant I am to this whole thing. You're
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  Speaker 1: not going to carry a five year old, are you?
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  Speaker 3: No? No, no, So a five year old is going
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  Speaker 3: to be hiking on her own. Our kids probably Gosh,
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  Speaker 3: once they're past two, it's really not fun carrying. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: one thing I learned was that I should have gone
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  Speaker 3: longer distance is when they were younger, because when you
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  Speaker 3: can carry them, you can actually cover a lot of ground.
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  Speaker 3: So we could have done like eight ten mile hikes
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  Speaker 3: when they were riding on my back. But we kind
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  Speaker 3: of moderated early because there's like that worry like, oh, gosh,
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  Speaker 3: I've got a newborn infant, and if we're seven miles
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  Speaker 3: back in the back country and something goes wrong, you
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  Speaker 3: know we'll want to get out. But I could have
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  Speaker 3: done it.
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  Speaker 7: This was This was where Nate's first backpacking trip was,
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  Speaker 7: and he walked in there when he was two. Okay,
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  Speaker 7: if that gives you any idea what my sweetheart's spent
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  Speaker 7: a lot of time in those mountains.
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  Speaker 3: I gotta throw one more story about a trip with
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  Speaker 3: these kids into the same mountain range that you're going into.
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  Speaker 3: We did this backpacking trip I alluded to earlier, So
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  Speaker 3: it's at the time Colt was probably two or three,
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  Speaker 3: and then ever would have been four or five, so
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  Speaker 3: it must have been he must have been five or
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  Speaker 3: six somewhere in that ballpark. But either way, we went
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  Speaker 3: in there and we told my I, you know, my
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  Speaker 3: parents and my in laws are itinerary, Like, hey, we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna be going in on this day. We should be
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  Speaker 3: out three days or four days later, you know, if
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  Speaker 3: you know, we're back by dinner, so you should be
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  Speaker 3: able to get ahold of us. So this was like
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  Speaker 3: a part of a broader like ten or eleven day
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  Speaker 3: camping backpacking trip, some car camping, some in the back country.
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  Speaker 3: And our plans changed. I told my parents. My wife
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  Speaker 3: forgot to tell hers.
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  Speaker 5: So we go into the backpacking trip.
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  Speaker 3: Because the plans change, we ended up being in there
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  Speaker 3: a day and a half longer than we were at expecting.
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  Speaker 3: So as we are hiking back coming out, someone you know, says, hey, hi,
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  Speaker 3: you guys doing like were great?
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  Speaker 5: He's like, are you guys from Michigan? We're like yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, could you smell it on you?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah? Are you?
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  Speaker 4: Like?
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  Speaker 1: Are you guys?
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  Speaker 5: Are you guys okay, Like are you guys okay?
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, we're fine, Like there's people looking for it,
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  Speaker 3: Like what No? And then we keep walking and then
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  Speaker 3: another person says, hey, are you folks from Michigan? Like uh, yes,
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  Speaker 3: He's like yeah, the Sheriff's looking for you guys. And
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  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, I mean, like, Kylie, did
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  Speaker 3: you tell your mom about the change in that teneration?
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  Speaker 5: She's like I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: So then I had to try to get a garment
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  Speaker 3: in reach message out to my wife's mom. While I
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  Speaker 3: decided I was going to carry the kids to go
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  Speaker 3: as fast as we could. My wife was gonna sprint
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  Speaker 3: back to the truck as fast as she could to
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  Speaker 3: try to call off a search and rescue so we're
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  Speaker 3: not having to pay for a helicopter bill or something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Comforting to know that people are looking for you, though, yes,
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  Speaker 1: if you go thirty six hours too long.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just long enough to get them over
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  Speaker 3: the edge. They called someone in, So there was no helicopter.
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  Speaker 3: There's no major search and rescue, but there was someone
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  Speaker 3: out there starting.
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  Speaker 1: What else you got going on, Maggie.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, the other thing I have going on? That I'm
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  Speaker 7: excited about is I'm helping out with this more than gathers.
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  Speaker 7: It's it's an experience that's over two weekends put on
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  Speaker 7: by Wild Wyoming Wildlife Federation, and it's a way for
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  Speaker 7: women to get their hunters certification. But it's more than that.
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  Speaker 7: They you know, they get really into rifle handling, like
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  Speaker 7: actual hunting skills, how to break down an animal, how
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  Speaker 7: to cook an animal. So it's it's more of an
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  Speaker 7: immersive experience than just taking a hunter's ed class getting
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  Speaker 7: the SERT. And it's it's women only, which is cool.
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  Speaker 7: I did. I did a duck hunting clinic with Venery
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  Speaker 7: out of Montana that is sort of a similar thing
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  Speaker 7: at Teller Wildlife Refuge, and it was really cool because
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  Speaker 7: I wanted to get into duck hunting. I'd done it
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  Speaker 7: a couple times, but I didn't really have like the
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  Speaker 7: tools or the confidence to go out by myself. So
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  Speaker 7: one weekend just sort of helped me build up my
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  Speaker 7: skill set so I felt able to go out by myself,
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  Speaker 7: which is a pretty cool thing to be able to do.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm happy to be a part of that and
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  Speaker 7: I'm really excited.
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  Speaker 1: More than gathers a very clever name. Kudo's Day, whoever
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  Speaker 1: came with.
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  Speaker 7: Just Johnson I believe out Brett Reeves.
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  Speaker 1: We got going on.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, well, we just launched the Bear Camp twelve and
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  Speaker 4: twenty six. I don't know Mark's in here, but Clay's not.
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  Speaker 4: Are we fil Is this a film or a video film?
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  Speaker 4: A film? It's it's been out now for a little
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  Speaker 4: bit and got it's not the it's not the regular
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  Speaker 4: old Bear Camp. There's some twists and turns in it,
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  Speaker 4: really And what part of the world was?
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  Speaker 2: This was in Arkansas?
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  Speaker 4: Uh, it's it's when we do every year and have
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  Speaker 4: been doing for quite a while now, and it was
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  Speaker 4: in a different part of Arkansas. We usually hunt kind
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  Speaker 4: of down where Clays from and this one was in
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  Speaker 4: a different kind of nor More northern part, kind of
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  Speaker 4: a different zone there. And actually had Ted Copple in
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  Speaker 4: camp there for a couple of days as part of
• 12:55
  Speaker 4: another thing that's our CBS Sunday Morning deal that's already
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  Speaker 4: come out, So that was a little different having Ted there,
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  Speaker 4: but Lake Pickle was there and the regular old Lukem
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  Speaker 4: family and myself and just it was a good time.
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  Speaker 4: It's a good film. Got some good good lessons in there.
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  Speaker 1: Video is out on our YouTube channel. The podcast that
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: talks about that video is also on our podcast network.
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  Speaker 1: Brent was telling me a story yesterday about I think
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  Speaker 1: it was the first time you and Clay had ever
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: gone on a bear trip together in Saskatchewan. You had
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  Speaker 1: a long boat ride.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: I loved it so much. I want you to tell
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  Speaker 1: the audience about what happened at the end of this
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  Speaker 1: fifty five mile boat ride.
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  Speaker 4: Fifty is five and a half hours in a boat,
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  Speaker 4: in a john boat across Wallaceton Lake. It was absolutely treacherous.
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  Speaker 4: I thought, there's no way I'm living through this. And
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  Speaker 4: Clay was in a boat ahead of me, and as
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  Speaker 4: they got on the dock, probably thirty minutes before we
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  Speaker 4: got there. And when we got there, I mean water,
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  Speaker 4: everything is soaked waters a third full of mean, the
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  Speaker 4: boat's a third full of water. And we slide up
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  Speaker 4: to the bank and to the little dock that they
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  Speaker 4: had constructed there, and he's standing at the end and
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  Speaker 4: he grabs my hand, pulls me out of the boat.
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  Speaker 2: And I looked at him and I said, nobody knows
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  Speaker 2: where the love of God goes.
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  Speaker 4: When the waves turned the minutes to hours, and his
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: eyes bugged out.
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  Speaker 2: Of his head and he said, did you just make
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  Speaker 2: that up?
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  Speaker 1: I should have said, yeah, Brent actually wrote the rec
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: of the Edmond. As we all know, that was the
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: ghost Rider for Gordon Tony Peterson. What you got going on?
• 14:42
  Speaker 6: You know, I have a new fishing project dropping here
• 14:45
  Speaker 6: in a couple of days. I hope I have my
• 14:47
  Speaker 6: fingers and toes crossed that this still happens. But a
• 14:51
  Speaker 6: couple of years ago, I had pitched a fishing series
• 14:54
  Speaker 6: sort of based on my style of public land bow hunting,
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  Speaker 6: which is my favorite thing to do is just show
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  Speaker 6: up somewhere new, figure it out, and make something happen
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  Speaker 6: in a really short amount of time. And so we
• 15:06
  Speaker 6: ended up partnering with ONEX Fish to take that sort
• 15:09
  Speaker 6: of mentality to the water and pick a challenge that
• 15:12
  Speaker 6: was kind of outside of my wheelhouse on a lot
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  Speaker 6: of them, you know, go to a new lake, catch
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  Speaker 6: a trophy wall line, a couple of days, you know,
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  Speaker 6: figure out the whole thing and those so we filmed
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  Speaker 6: five episodes, you know, five target species basically five different states,
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  Speaker 6: and those will start dropping here in a couple of days.
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  Speaker 6: Like I said, and it was just a really it
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  Speaker 6: was the most fun I've had in a fishing project
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  Speaker 6: so far. So I hope people like it because I
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: think it's pretty cool on our YouTube channel, yep okay,
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  Speaker 6: I can't wait to see that.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: I remember you and I riffing on that over pancakes, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like a summer or two ago, and it seems such
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: a great idea. So the fact that's actually happening is
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: pretty sweet.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 5: It was.
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  Speaker 6: You know, the challenge with fishing is how do you
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  Speaker 6: make it interesting? Right, Like a lot of the fishing
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: content coverages turn because there's built in drama, but the
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: old school bill dance style doesn't fly anymore. You know,
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  Speaker 6: people need a little bit more at steak and that one.
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  Speaker 6: You know, it just it just put me in a
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  Speaker 6: position to like truly have to figure something out in
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: real time, not get any information ahead of time other
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: than you know, whatever little eastc outing I could do.
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: And it's I think they turned out really cool. We
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: caught a ton of fish.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I've said this probably a dozen times on our airwaves
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: that Tony Peterson is the best public land whitetail bowhunter
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: that I've ever met that I know, and that we're
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: going to see if that now applies to fishing or not.
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: Well, I appreciate that, buddy. I think it helped me
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: a little bit.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: The pressure's on because last time somebody talked big about
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Tony at the Mediator Sporting play shoot. This last week,
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: everyone thought that Tony was going to win that competition
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: except Tony.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Howd that competition go?
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Mark?
• 16:57
  Speaker 8: You know?
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: For me? Great?
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, because I did not come in last place, which
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: was my only goal, not coming in last It was
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: otherwise pretty fun. Me and Tony had a really good
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: time once we got past the live filming portion. The
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: live filming portion was the only part where were kind
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: of uptight, and then after that we just had a
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: good time. And although Tony kind of did spiral and
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: I just stayed at my low level.
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: Actually though, I went like this and dropped off a
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: cliff and Mark started at the bottom of the valley
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: and climbed his way to the top.
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: It was actually fun.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: We live streamed like a two hour sporting place competition
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: for my outdoor TV. We were all paired up with somebody,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: but we were competing on our own. My partner was Yannis,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: and I was doing considerably better than Yannis, like almost
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: doubling his score to the point where I was like,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: son of a gun, I might win this thing. Turned
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: out Yannis got last. Yi was not a good representation
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: of how the crew was doing. I was just in
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: the middle of the pack. But I was like, oh, man, Yanni,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: if this is how Yan he's doing, I'm gonna get
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: the first that did not.
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: At least you got to live with some hope for
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: a while.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for too long. Mark Kenyon, what's up with you?
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Well, big news outside of work is that I moved
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: to Montana. I'm no longer an out of towner. Okay,
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: I mean I'm kind of out of town. I'm like,
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: I'm an hour away, so I'm not gonna be here
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: as much as you say, but but I'm sort of
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: local now, which is exciting.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: You can still smell the Michigan on him though.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fresh. It's been like just a little over
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: a week. But so far, so good. Evagulations. We're all
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: very excited. Thank you.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I have you around here more. Yeah, gonna be a
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: new trivia competitor in the room more often.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Now, come in.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: We need we need some more competition for Nate and
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Brody and Randall and Steve. Yeah, well so we made
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Mark Montana just to spice those things up.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: It's been an adventure, you know.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: I feel like the last six months have been nothing
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: but chaos, trying to you know, fine places, sell places,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: figure out where to go. We're still you know, we
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: had a number of different locations we're considering, so trying
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: to weigh all the benefits and then making the final
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: decision should we move, should we not move. It's been
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: a thing we've talked about for like a decade and
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: just finally realized, with the kids growing up so fast,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: if we want them to grow up out here and
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: have these opportunities in this community, we better do it.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: How about learning how much stuff you had that you
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: didn't realize you had. Crazy When I got that store
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: more building, I had my move my office from upstairs
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: in the house to out there my studio, and guy says, man,
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: I got a dump trailer if you needed I'm like,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: dump trailer, dude, I'm on hall of like three sacks
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: of garbage or three sacks of stuff I don't use.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: And long story short, I used a dump trailer.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: That's what we had to use to get all the
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: stuff that I didn't realize I had.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Good opportunity to cleanse yourself.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: So, speaking so Brent, speaking of you, and speaking of
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: my move, one of the great benefits of moving out
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: here is that now I can go for runs right
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: from my house out like into some beautiful stuff. Where
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: previously we were on a paved road lots of traffic.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Was no fun running from home, but now we can
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: just like take off be in beautiful country on a
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: dirt road. So I got home last night from all
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: these meetings we've been talking about, and I pulled the
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: driveway and both my sons run out the door and
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: they're like, Dad, Dad, Dad, can we go for a run?
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: And I was like, sure, that's not a thing that
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: they're typically asking to do, but they want to go
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: for like a trail around with Dad. It's eight thirty
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: at nine or whatever it is. I'm like, okay, let's
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: do it. So throwing the running gear, we start going
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: for a run and we're talking. They're asking me about
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: the trip what I was doing with you guys, and
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: I'm asking them about what they were doing. And they
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: brought up the fact that while we were at one
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: of these meetings, a couple days ago, I was facetiming
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: with them and then Brent and Jannis walked up and
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: started talking to the boys on the cell phone, and
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: my young son I bring, yeah, what do you think
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: about Brent? And like, yeah, you know, he's really funny.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, he is. He's ever, he says, I
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: used to think that was just a random old guy
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: that hung out around. I'm like, no, it works here.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Random.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: So I got a good chuckle out of that. Brent,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: You're you're so much more than that.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: What other updates you got for us?
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Mark?
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: Uh?
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: The only other thing is, uh, you know my new
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: podcast series. We kind of teased it months ago when
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I was in here last It's now out there in
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: the world. It's called Future Wild. We're seven episodes in.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: That's on our new meat Eater conservation feed. We used
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: to be you know, Calskels podcast is still there, but
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: now it's my podcast as well, and these are more
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: deep dive interviews into the world of hunting and fishing
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: and conservation, some different kind of angles on things. We've
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: had some different types of guests and maybe we typically
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: hear from. That's been refreshing and fun for me. And
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: hopefully for the audience too. We've talked to people like
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Avon Schnard, the founder of Patagonia UH talking about his
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: kind of way to simplify his outdoor experiences and how
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: that might apply to conservation. We've talked to a famous
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: climber about how the outdoor recreation community and the hunting
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: and fishing community might be able to, you know, work
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: together more often to protect public lands and things like that.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Our most recent episode just came out with a renowned
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: caribou biologist from Alaska talking about what's going on with
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: caribou populations across the world, which a lot of folks
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: don't seem to be paying attention to, but it's it's
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: very important to start paying attention to. So it's been fun.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Hopefully people have been enjoying it. It's on you know,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: the media to podcast, YouTube, podcast network and all the
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: other places.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: New episodes every other week. Correct, every other week, yep,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: what day of the week. Thursday, every other Thursday, you
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: can listen to Future Wild all right. Our last bit
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: of our news this week is an update from Steve.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: We have a video here. I have yet to see it.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: All I know is he has a new fish cooking method.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Take it away, Phil, everybody, here's the new splash for you.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: We're on a forty foot vessel.
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: Called Sweet Caroline, ben.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Throve it.
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: What's this bank hopes you may robs your bank.
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: With a man named Tommy Whittle who goes to the
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: long line of fishermen and he's making dinner.
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: And he's what do you call it?
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: Cord fish, cord morning fish for dinner. We'round the deck
• 23:31
  Speaker 9: of the boat. He's got a big ass fish tug,
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: got cod, and he's gotten charm and he's laying down
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: a layer of salt in the bottom there, like fish salt,
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: rock salt, like coarse salt.
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: This is for dinner tonight.
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: So he's got a sprinkling of salt on the bottom.
• 23:54
  Speaker 9: He's got three cod plays, two chower plates, dolls, putting
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: salt on top of it. His other in law says
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: all of his food is too salt, but he doesn't understand,
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: so he's sprinkled salt down there.
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: Okay, so you're gonna let him sit like that home
• 24:18
  Speaker 8: on three hours? Three hours?
• 24:20
  Speaker 9: Yep, this I stalked the time. He's father on the phone.
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: His father says he has people from all over, people
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: from New York, US.
• 24:29
  Speaker 8: They come up. They eat this. They say it's the
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: best fish they ever had.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 24:35
  Speaker 9: So he sprinkles salt all over. You're gonna let him
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: sit three hours, three hours. They we're gonna fix it
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: off with one of the some potatoes and pot for
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: twenty minutes. There's suffer corn fitch, cornfish, corn fishnight.
• 24:47
  Speaker 8: We're trying different. We're gonna do cod and churn. Yep.
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: So they also make salt fish for salt cod. But
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: this is just corn fish for tonight. Three hours. When
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: it sprinkling of salt print it all. K did you
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: make like a bra your potatoes sticking out? Maris put
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: it in a pot and enough loder and married the
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: potatoes and the fish in twenty minutes. Good to go.
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: We'll just come back later tell you how we like it.
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: There you go ruin.
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: Okay for you people that can't see this because you're
• 25:18
  Speaker 9: just listening, we're uh fixing to have a shot of whiskey,
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: which is which is part of the fish cooking.
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: That's nice.
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: Here's everyone paytrio here supposed to be the speaker, supposed
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: to be Okay, it's a return to our newsplash. It's
• 25:41
  Speaker 10: a it's four hours later. The fish was salt. What
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: you don't agree? No, the fish was salt.
• 25:50
  Speaker 11: The fish was salted in what we call rock salt,
• 25:54
  Speaker 11: fisherman salt, A light dusting, the fla light dusting, sat
• 25:59
  Speaker 11: for three hours, pulled it out, He rinsed it in
• 26:01
  Speaker 11: salt water. He cut up potatoes. He put the potatoes
• 26:06
  Speaker 11: in the pot, the fish in the pot.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 26:10
  Speaker 11: The potatoes, the fish, fresh water, and they're covered.
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: It boiled it for how long? About twenty twenty two minutes?
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: The easiest best fish recipe.
• 26:21
  Speaker 11: Definitely very good. This is a new recipe, that's what.
• 26:24
  Speaker 11: That's why this is news because this is a new recipe.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Do you like it?
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's super It's amazing.
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah, warn wonderful, baby d Again he was asking where
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: to buy that salt, and then they're telling me I
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: can make it, Chadwick, I was delicious.
• 26:44
  Speaker 11: Another news items, we've just watched the polar bear climbing
• 26:47
  Speaker 11: around on a hill for a while, which is which
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: was the first.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Polar bear I ever laid eyes on, So I'm happy
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: about that.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: And then shortly there after a cariboot yep.
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: You've seen a bunch of and almost cut my leg
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: off and the chef saved my legs. Thanks guys.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: You can see that video on the Meat Eater podcast
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Go watch this episode traveling with an amount
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: of salt in their boat that you'd think they're going
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: to like de ice a home depot parking lot.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: That was it.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: I wonder if you can amount how big a part
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: and if it's part of the permanent part of the
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: recipe that you drink whiskey before.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: You eat them mandatory. If they got Steve to take
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: a shot, it must be an important All right, Up
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: next is your news. Your news is brought to you
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: by Banish suppressors. All right, we have two listener emails
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: we are reading today. This first one is from the
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Meat Eater trivia question legend leland Hart. He sends me
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: more emails, I think than any other trivia listener. He says,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: how to meet Eater podcast crew. Should I feel bad
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: for making jerky out of backstrap? Is that a worthy
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: purpose for such high quality cuts as the loin? Should
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I slice with reckless abandon or save the precious backstrap
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: for more elevated purposes? I think this is an easy one.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Don't turn that thing into jerky. What's the rest of
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the room think.
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: I like using the bottom round, Like when I'm cutting
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: up the hind quarter, I just take the bottom round
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: and slice that and vacuum seal it into strips and
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: then when summertime comes around, thaw that out and make jerky.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't use the backstrap.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: No.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I think in the Midwest whitetail world, where some people
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: are taking a lot of deer, it's a little bit
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: more common. Like I've got a buddy who regularly is
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: killing five, six, seven deer a year, and so he's like, yeah,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: I'm going to dedicate some of that backstrap to some
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: primo and he loves it. We were just talking about
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: this on a group text the other day. You know,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: if you've got the supply of why not diversify.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can kill like, I don't know, five or
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: six deer.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: I want to kill one or two a year in Arkansas,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: And I know folks that will put a whole deer
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: into either sausage and half and half sausage and jerky.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I think it's too precious. Those those backstraps. There's not
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: enough of them. There's not enough pieces of meat on
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: a deer that are just like the perfect shape, the
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: perfect size for all the more fun traditional preparations of backstrap.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: It even feels a little sinful to like throw a
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: backstrap into grind, which I've seen people talk about if you're,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: you know, really trying to impress the mother in law
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: with a Venison burger, you know, maybe you throw half
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: a backstrap in the grind. Even that seems kind of wrong.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why we live in America.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Spencer, that's right, that's right. So some of the room
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: says you can. Others say no, Jordan, what do you think.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: I think if the backstrap is just so easy to
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: get out of there, like you might as well just
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: slice it up and make it into steaks.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: Like I don't.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: I don't really see why you do, jerky, But I'm
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: like Brent, I also only kill a couple of deer,
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: maybe maybe two, So it's precious to me.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Any other thoughts for Leland.
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: There's better cuts out there, but there.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Those on the grill jerk it all fight.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Nate Mason's got this next email.
• 30:27
  Speaker 12: Yeah, we had an email about wag Bag getting a
• 30:30
  Speaker 12: listener out of a ticket. This is from Donovan. Hey,
• 30:33
  Speaker 12: mediated your crew. Never thought I'd say this, but a
• 30:35
  Speaker 12: wag bag and for those of you who don't know,
• 30:37
  Speaker 12: that is a bag that you poop into so you
• 30:39
  Speaker 12: can pack your feces out of the back country. A
• 30:42
  Speaker 12: wag bag got me out of a ticket. Earlier this year,
• 30:44
  Speaker 12: my girlfriend and I were backpacking through a canyon in
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: Grand Staircase Escalante Region in Utah. There was a three
• 30:50
  Speaker 12: day trip and on the second day we ran into
• 30:51
  Speaker 12: a ranger on the trail who asked for our overnight permits.
• 30:54
  Speaker 12: When we got to the trail head, they'd run out
• 30:56
  Speaker 12: of permit slips, so we just wrote our names and
• 30:58
  Speaker 12: information on a piece of paper and dropped in the
• 30:59
  Speaker 12: By the time we ran into the ranger, there really
• 31:02
  Speaker 12: wasn't any way to prove it. As he looked over
• 31:04
  Speaker 12: our packs, he noticed the two wag bags hanging off
• 31:07
  Speaker 12: the back. He said that anyone who cared enough to
• 31:09
  Speaker 12: pack those in was helping take care of the land,
• 31:12
  Speaker 12: thanked us for doing our part, and sent us on
• 31:14
  Speaker 12: our way without a ticket. Man, that's a good story
• 31:17
  Speaker 12: that you guys ever get out of a I love
• 31:19
  Speaker 12: a good poop bag story. You guys ever get out
• 31:21
  Speaker 12: of a ticket for being good citizens, although you might
• 31:24
  Speaker 12: have been in a sketchy situation.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Well, I got out of a ticket not because I
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: was being a good citizen in the hunting world, but
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: because somebody felt bad about my bad fortune in the
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: hunting world. So, to make a long story short, I
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: had hit a buck and spent three days trying to
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: find him and couldn't recover him. This is down in Ohio.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: So I remember leaving after that three days of searching,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: just soul crushed.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: And it was late.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: I was driving home from southern Ohio up to Michigan.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: It was like eleven o'clock at night. The whole drive home,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: I was festering on it, just upset about it. Thinking
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: on some backcountry road almost home now, almost to the
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Michigan border, and all of a sudden I see lights
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: behind me and I got pulled over for speeding. I
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: was like, I don't know, I don't know what it
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: was those Ohio cops, dude, so I must have been
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: going decently over the speed limit. And he pulls me
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: over and asked me how fast I was going. If
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: I knew how fast I was going, I was like, honestly,
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm kind of in my head right now.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: And he looks in the back and he sees like
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Camo's hunting gear in the back seat of my truck.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: He's like, oh, you've been hunting. I'm like, yeah, I have,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: just can't just come back from a hunt down southern
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Ohio and you get one. And I kind of gave
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: him a short version of story. He's like, no, but
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: I got a shot at one, you know, three days ago,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: and blah blah blah blah. And I've been searching for
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: him NonStop ever since. Haven't been over recover him. It's
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: it's been it's been a rough couple of days. And
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: he's like, man, I've been there too. You just be
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: careful going the rest of the way home, and no
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: ticket for you. You've had enough of a bad day.
• 32:50
  Speaker 10: Wow.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Was he state?
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Was he highway patrol?
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 32:53
  Speaker 12: Oh, those those guys.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Got me good.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, man, this guy was This guy's nice, nice
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: good on him.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: This guy can give you a store away from the
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: other side of that.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Oh. I can remember the time, and this was probably
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: twenty five years ago, but I was working radar coming
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: down the highway and it was five minutes till ten
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: on a Saturday night, I meet this car doing ninety
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: throw the lights on. They pull over and I walk
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: up to it. And it's in a rural part of
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: the county and across the field you can see there's
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: a dirt road. You're going up the highway and turn off,
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: but across this field you can see a night light
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: at a house.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: So I walk up to the car and the.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Ray rolled a winded down and it's a young girl
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: and she is sobbing, and I said, I need to
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: see your driver's license. And I can hear crying. I said,
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: are you okay? She says, yes, sir, but I'm going
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: to be late. And my mama told me if I'm
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: not home by ten, I'm going to be grounded. And
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: I said, well, how far do you got to go?
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: She said, that night light right there, that's my house.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: I said, well five minutes. You're not going to be late,
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: but you're driving too fast. Let me see your driver's license.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: She starts boo hooing.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: She said, gonna make me late. I said, no, just
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: let me see your license. She hands me your license.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: I said, well, I'll tell you what I think you
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: can make it home in time. But you today's my birthday.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: It was not my birthday. You sing me happy birthday
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: and I'll let you go. And she said really, and
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: I said yeah. She said, okay, happy birthday to you.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: I said no, no, no, I want you to sing
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: it like Patsy Kleine was singing to me. I want
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: you to make me feel it.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: And buddy did she ever? She said happy birthday?
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: It was Where is this going?
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: So I give her the license back. I said, okay,
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: now you go home. You'll be home before curfew, but
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: leave earlier and go home. I don't want you driving fast.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: She drives on.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: I hear that's the end of the story, or so
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: I would think. Two weeks later, I get a call
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: at the office and this lady gets on the phone.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: That secretary says, hey, Brent, there's a call for you.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: This las get us on the phone. She says, Brent,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: this is so and SO like, yeah, hey, how you doing?
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: She said it was your birthday last week? And I'm like, no,
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: why She said, well, my daughter stop got stopped for
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: speed and she came in the door telling this this
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: the story, and I said, there's I went to school
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: with her she said, there's only one person that.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Would have done that. I had to be here. Yeah,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: it was me, But I didn't want to write the.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Girl a ticket, you know, and her mom and dad's
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: going out to pay it. So I thought, you know,
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: if I give her a lasting impression of something, that
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: it would be good.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: And so I guess it was.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: You're a good cop, bro, Yeah, that cop.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Now, if i'd have been in Ohio, yea more of
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the story, I guess, uh, pick up your poop, sing
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: happy Birthday to the cops and driving the speed limit
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and tell him you hit a deer recently and you're
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: trying to find even if it's like June, be like officer,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to find this buck and recover him.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Next up, we have the news. First up, we've gotten
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Nate Mason covering a Cabbellas helicopter pilot.
• 36:07
  Speaker 12: Oh yeah, you all may have seen the story about
• 36:11
  Speaker 12: a helicopter assisted Cabela's run in Wisconsin on August first,
• 36:14
  Speaker 12: twenty twenty six. But what you haven't heard is the
• 36:17
  Speaker 12: story of the man behind the yoke, Dennis Pipping. Using
• 36:20
  Speaker 12: my permission seeking super sleuthing skills, I got on the
• 36:23
  Speaker 12: horn with Dennis, and you know, like a lot of
• 36:25
  Speaker 12: the headlines they highlighted he's a senior citizen and he
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: wanted to skip traffic, and the vibe that I thought
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: they were kind of trying to portray him as was
• 36:35
  Speaker 12: like maybe an eccentric millionaire or this confused old man
• 36:39
  Speaker 12: or something like that that couldn't be further from the truth.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with the story. Yeah, Oh, he took
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: a helicopter to a Cabellus.
• 36:46
  Speaker 12: Yes, he landed a helicopter in a Cabella's parking lot to,
• 36:51
  Speaker 12: as we found out, to do his preseason hunting grocery run.
• 36:57
  Speaker 12: Dennis is a blue collar concrete man with a for
• 37:00
  Speaker 12: big old whitetail bucks. And before we get in the
• 37:03
  Speaker 12: specifics of that August first run, I wanted to figure
• 37:06
  Speaker 12: out where the journey to a Cabela's HLZ or helicopter
• 37:09
  Speaker 12: landing zone begins. And so nineteen eighty four, Dennis started flying.
• 37:14
  Speaker 12: He got his VFR visual flight rating purely out of
• 37:17
  Speaker 12: love for the game. He's looking at planes his whole
• 37:19
  Speaker 12: life and was like, I really want to do that.
• 37:21
  Speaker 12: So he bootstrapped the hours, got his initial rating and
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: he soon graduated.
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: He just kept rolling.
• 37:26
  Speaker 12: He felt limited by VFR, so he got an instrument rating,
• 37:28
  Speaker 12: and he got his multi engine and eventually got his
• 37:31
  Speaker 12: commercial And that was because he took up a neighbor
• 37:33
  Speaker 12: who happened to have an engineering firm, and that neighbor said,
• 37:36
  Speaker 12: I need you to fly my engineers around to the
• 37:38
  Speaker 12: various job sites, and so he did that. At the
• 37:41
  Speaker 12: same time, Dennis is growing his commercial concrete business, Pipping Concrete,
• 37:47
  Speaker 12: which specializes in manure storage and methane digests, among other
• 37:51
  Speaker 12: large scale, agg focused concrete products. In a process I
• 37:55
  Speaker 12: don't fully understand. Farmers use these, especially dairy farmers, use
• 38:00
  Speaker 12: these facilities to either create fertilizer or biogas. The scale
• 38:04
  Speaker 12: of these projects is what I want to comment on.
• 38:07
  Speaker 12: These manure tanks start at a million gallons and have
• 38:10
  Speaker 12: gone up all the way to thirty million. For those
• 38:14
  Speaker 12: thirty million tanks are five hundred and sixteen feet across
• 38:17
  Speaker 12: and twenty feet tall. For reference, an Olympic swimming pool
• 38:20
  Speaker 12: has about six hundred and sixty thousand gallons, so that's
• 38:24
  Speaker 12: forty four full pools Olympic swimming pools of manure. It's
• 38:28
  Speaker 12: about a week's worth of water in Bozeman, or recently,
• 38:32
  Speaker 12: a data center in Fayetteville, Georgia owned by Quality Technology
• 38:35
  Speaker 12: Services consumed thirty million gallons of unmetered and unpaid for
• 38:39
  Speaker 12: water during construction, and so that gives you the scale
• 38:42
  Speaker 12: of these these manure plants. Going back to Dennis's business
• 38:47
  Speaker 12: as it expanded, he pulled the old Sam Walton, founder
• 38:50
  Speaker 12: of Walmart, and purchased a jet to manage his business activities.
• 38:55
  Speaker 12: That worked for a while, but the preponderance of his
• 38:57
  Speaker 12: jobs are in the Midwest, so he swapped that for
• 39:00
  Speaker 12: a helicopter, Robinson R forty four Raven, which you can
• 39:04
  Speaker 12: see in the articles. This brings us to Saturday, August first,
• 39:08
  Speaker 12: twenty twenty six. As it turns out, Dennis a big
• 39:11
  Speaker 12: whitetail guy.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: He's got a great.
• 39:12
  Speaker 12: Chunk of property in Fondo Lac County and he's also
• 39:15
  Speaker 12: got an eighty acre parcel in Buffalo County. He's running
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: a few cell cams on both. He's got some deeries
• 39:21
  Speaker 12: keeping tabs on, and so Dennis invites his neighbor to
• 39:24
  Speaker 12: knock out their preseason shopping list down at Cabela's. They
• 39:27
  Speaker 12: hop in the old Robinson he hops in the old
• 39:29
  Speaker 12: Robinson flies to his neighbor's house. His neighbor hops in,
• 39:32
  Speaker 12: and then he proceeds on to Cabella's landing there before
• 39:36
  Speaker 12: you land, he takes all the necessary precautions. He reconnoiters
• 39:39
  Speaker 12: the HLZ, brings her down. They run in, they grab
• 39:42
  Speaker 12: their batteries, their cameras, whatever else, and they check out.
• 39:46
  Speaker 12: They pass a cop as they're checking out, they're loading
• 39:49
  Speaker 12: up the helicopter, and that cop comes back out extremely politely,
• 39:53
  Speaker 12: really respectfully, says, I'm responding to a drone incident. I
• 39:56
  Speaker 12: think this is what this is a very large drone,
• 39:59
  Speaker 12: but I've this is what I'm responding to. And he asked,
• 40:03
  Speaker 12: do you have a license for this thing, at which
• 40:05
  Speaker 12: point Dennis produces his license as well as his as
• 40:09
  Speaker 12: the permits and the regulations that cover all this. And basically,
• 40:14
  Speaker 12: if you're a helicopter pilot and you're following all the
• 40:16
  Speaker 12: other laws and regulations, you can land pretty much anywhere
• 40:20
  Speaker 12: you want as long as you're not providing posing a
• 40:22
  Speaker 12: hazard to people or property on the surface. And so
• 40:26
  Speaker 12: explain that to the police officer. Police officer said, sweet, thanks,
• 40:30
  Speaker 12: have a great day, and send him on his way,
• 40:32
  Speaker 12: and so the next day he takes all his groceries
• 40:34
  Speaker 12: he got, flies up to Buffalo County and sets up
• 40:37
  Speaker 12: his new cameras. According to Dennis, he put this camera
• 40:40
  Speaker 12: in a spot that he never hunts and he would
• 40:41
  Speaker 12: never think of, but his wife told him he should
• 40:43
  Speaker 12: throw this camera here and got a picture of sweet butt.
• 40:45
  Speaker 12: So if you can pull that picture up, Phil, Yeah,
• 40:50
  Speaker 12: that's that's a look at.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: That split G two.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Man, that's a big one.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Give me, give me a score on that, Tony from
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: that I was taking two days go to August fourth,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I mean one sixties, right at least at least yeah.
• 41:06
  Speaker 12: Man, So that's uh, that's the result of his whole
• 41:09
  Speaker 12: trip is a picture that that big old.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: But yeah, you want to kill a one sixties, you
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: just have helicopter.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: Helicopter.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: I think me and Tony's chances of significantly plumbing benefits.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: That's so rotated.
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 41:24
  Speaker 12: Following this trip, you know, a few days later, he
• 41:26
  Speaker 12: starts getting Facebook notes, calls from people like me and whatnot.
• 41:30
  Speaker 12: And you want to make sure everything was copestic with Cabella's,
• 41:32
  Speaker 12: and so he calls the store manager and the store
• 41:34
  Speaker 12: manager says, please come anytime you're a loyal customer. All
• 41:38
  Speaker 12: his business cards, like his company cards, are Cabella's cards,
• 41:42
  Speaker 12: so he can just shop at Cabella's for.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Free on all the points, but they will.
• 41:46
  Speaker 12: He wanted to make it very clear the Richmond, Wisconsin
• 41:49
  Speaker 12: cabell As welcomes all modes of transportation to their store,
• 41:52
  Speaker 12: and so Dennis is going to keep on going. He
• 41:54
  Speaker 12: wanted to communicate his gratitude of law enforcement, the cabell
• 41:57
  Speaker 12: staff in the community for their respect and support of
• 41:59
  Speaker 12: his aeronautical adventures. And he said, it's no different than
• 42:02
  Speaker 12: rolling up to a gas station in a snowmobile or
• 42:05
  Speaker 12: pulling up to a restaurant and a bussure. And we
• 42:07
  Speaker 12: would all like to see more acceptance of the vertically
• 42:09
  Speaker 12: inclined methods of transportation. Now, finally, Dennis offered a discount
• 42:14
  Speaker 12: to any member of the audience in need of manure
• 42:17
  Speaker 12: storage or other agricultural concrete work. Right, so you're a
• 42:20
  Speaker 12: meat eater, amber who needs them, just hit up pipping concrete.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: He's national Dennis being a concrete man. It makes me
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: think of how Vegas like has all kinds of conventions
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: going on any giving day. I used to go to
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: a shot show about every year. I think I've been
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: there three or four times since. This again happens in
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Las Vegas and Shot Show is the world's largest gun convention.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: It just like kind of takes over the city for
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: a week. But there's still other things that are happening
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: in Vegas. I imagine Tonio's where I'm going with this.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: The three big shows in Vegas while Shot Show is
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: going on is Shot Show, Uh, there is the Concrete Show,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: so you got all the concrete folks. And the third
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: one is the Porn Awards are happening all at the
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: same time, and so Vegas has, like this really wild.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: A lot of crazy ingredients get dropped into Vegas for
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: this one week every January. The Porn Award, the gun convention,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: and the concrete people, and you try to kind of
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: suss out like is this you know Nate Mason over here,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: is he looked like he's concrete guns or porn?
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: And you.
• 43:33
  Speaker 12: You know the guys flying in first class, it's the
• 43:35
  Speaker 12: concrete guys.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: There was one instance where I was at a blackjack
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: table just making small talk and this dude sitting next
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: to me was trying to figure out like what he
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: was doing here.
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: He owned a strip club in Atlanta, so he was
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: there for the porn awards and shot show. He was
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: he was doing it too far while he was there. Yeah,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: good for him. He had to run some tight security
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: at his gentleman's club there in Georgia.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: They call that.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: Don't worry, I'll I'll bleep up again.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Now we're over to Tony Peterson to talk about wakeboats.
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: So first off, I would just like to say, unlike
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: Nate Mason, I actually appreciate the Ohio.
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: Okay law enforcement offers to so actually all law enforcement officers.
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: And if we should ever meet anywhere, I hope you
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: guys remember that I Tony Peterson support you, while Nate
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: Mason does that.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: I only have a bone to pick with highway patrol.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: You guys have a cool logo, but I should just
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: drive slower.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: What you should do would be quiet, all right.
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: So this is this is an issue that's sort of
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: near and dear to my heart, living in Minnesota, fishing
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: a lot of lakes, fishing over in Wisconsin. The court
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: case that I ran across that put me on this
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: sort of on this trajectory with a story is based
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: in Wisconsin. But this is happening all over, which I'll
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: get into. But wakeboats are becoming a big thing, and
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: for people don't know. Most recreational watercraft are designed to
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: either minimize wake or at least not amplify it.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: Not the case with wakeboats. Now.
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: These boats cost on average sixty five grand to over
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: three hundred grand, which is bonkers for a boat on
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: a on a lake, right, or we would think so anyway,
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: maybe not the helicopter to Cabella's crowd. But why are
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: they so expensive? So these boats have a couple features
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: that drive me nuts. One is a premium audio system.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I figured, man, that's where half the budget goes on
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: a wakeboat.
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: If you don't, if you've never been around one of
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: these suckers when they're when they're cranking some music and
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: know how that sound carries across the water, that's not
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: what I'm gonna talk about.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: What kind of music do they like traditionally?
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: Not the okay lot of hip hop.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Give me an example of like a playlist.
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: You would hear a lot of hip hop, a lot
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: of bro country, a lot of stuff that you might
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: not necessarily want to have blasted in your face when
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: you're fishing with the kids or whatever. These boats are
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: expensive for another reason. They have ballast systems so they
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: can draw.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: In water and change the weight of the boat. So
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: some of them can draw anywhere from lef that's what
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: they're doing. Yeah, I had no idea.
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: So they can draw in anywhere from two thousand to
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: five thousand pounds of water, which changes everything. They also
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: have these things called surf tabs on the back which
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: work with that different weight to create custom waves. Essentially,
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: depending off fast you're going, you can create waves out
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: of the right side, the left side, big waves, little waves.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: But they're they're meant to make waves.
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: Wakeboats they burn a lot of fuel, they make a
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: lot of waves, and they don't make a lot of
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: recreational boaters happy. So this is kind of the root
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: and where I'm going with this issue. There's the pro
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: pro wake boat crowd, and then there's the anti weightboat crowd,
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: And now they're meeting in the court system, and you're
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: going to see this a whole lot. I think the
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: pro wakeboat crowd that you know, they say, we are
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: licensing our boats, we are being legal. We are buying
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: a legal product and using it in a legal way
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: on the water. They argue that they're being discriminated against,
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: constitutional rights, are being infringed the whole thing. The other
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: side says, you know, these boats which account for well,
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: at least in Wisconsin from my research, account for about
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: four percent of sales in twenty twenty.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: Five out of all boats.
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: The other side says, you know, if you're if you're fishing,
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: if you're a kayaker, which kayak fishing is super popular
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: right now, if you're a stand up paddle border essentially,
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: if you're not a wake boat person and you're using
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: the water, this is impacting you somehow, right like if
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: you're just just imagine being out there in a kayak
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: and having four foot rollers hit you all day long.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: There's that component.
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: There is also the component of the ecosystems of our
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: lakes and this is this is a big one. We
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: haven't so this is kind of one of those things
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: you see this with forward facing sonar and some of
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: these other issues that are really hot right now. There
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: was no reason to do any scientific research on whether
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: wakeboats were impacting lakeshore habitat, fish ecosystems because we didn't
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: have them before. Now we have them, so this research
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: is starting to kick in. University of Minnesota doing a
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: study on this bunch of different methods to try to
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: figure out how is it impacting vegetation, how is it
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: impacting you know, sediment levels in the water, and how
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: long that takes to settle, because that has impacts on
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: all kinds of things and fisheries. And what they found
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: was no surprise that this is happening now. To be
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: negatively right, to be as objective as I can be
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: in this issue, every boat that you operate in shallow
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: water can have this have an impact to some extent. Right,
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: it's a scale issue. So long story short. Some of
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: the recommendations coming out of this research and coming out
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: of these you know, kind of I don't know if
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: they would call themselves anti wakeboat, but definitely concerned more
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: about the fisheries you are suggesting. You know, they should
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: be operated in at least twenty feet of water, give
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: those waves a little time to dissipate before they hit shore,
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: keep them at least six hundred feet off ashore. That
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: study that the uf M did used a bunch of
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: different cameras, a bunch of different ways to measure it.
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: It's a scientific study. It's not just anecdotal stuff, and
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: you're going to see a heck of a lot more
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: of that. What you also have as a component of this,
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: which we understand on our side of things, is the
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: amount of money that fishing generates. And so if you
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: look at Wisconsin, it's estimated that fishing contributes about two
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: point three billion dollars in revenue every year and supports
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: well over twenty thousand jobs. So when you talk about,
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: you know, a very small contingency compared to the overall
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: population using wakeboats, love and wake boats, feeling that they're
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: just they're doing their thing and it's not impacting anybody.
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: You have to factor that in how it's affecting this
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: huge revenue generator. And this isn't just a Wisconsin specific thing, right,
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: You can you can find this in a lot of states. Wisconsin,
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: for example, cells one point two million to one point
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: four million fishing licenses a year. In Minnesota, I think
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: it's one point one or something. It's big business, right.
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: So you're starting to see regulations come into place, but
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: they tend to be like city ordinances. We haven't seen
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: anything obviously at a federal level. You're starting to see
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: some stuff show up at a state level, but so
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: far it's mostly been city ordinances.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: So, the the lawsuit that I saw, couple of a
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: couple of people from Florida owned lake shore houses in
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: a county in Wisconsin. This town that this lake is on,
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: that they're on, enacted an ordinance that restricted the usage
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: of it, didn't ban it, but restricted some usage of wakeboats.
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: They sued, saying their constitutional rights were being infringed. I
• 51:12
  Speaker 6: just saw last week that a federal judge, as it
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: worked its way up through the court system, a federal
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: judge tossed it because he said, you haven't proven any
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: damage yet, Which is where it gets a little bit
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: weird with this stuff, because even though a city can
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: slap an ordinance on a body of water and say
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: you can't do this, you can do this whatever, there's
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: no enforcement and so there was actually no real damage
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: suffered by them.
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: But when you start going down this.
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: Rabbit hole of wakeboats, you start seeing these court cases
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: popping up. I found some in Minnesota, there's several in Wisconsin.
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: There's at least fifty nine communities in Wisconsin at when
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: I was researching this that have slapped some kind of
• 51:52
  Speaker 6: ordinance on against wakeboats or limiting them. This is going
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: to be a thing that's coming state level, I would
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: assume within the next couple of years, especially as you
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: see a lot more of this research on this fisheries
• 52:04
  Speaker 6: coming out.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the footage that you see from the cameras they
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: have underwater, it's really revealing, like what that can do
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: to a fish. You'll see a bluegill, you know, sitting
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: in ten feet of water, who the wakeboat comes over
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: and they just like get pushed out of the camera frame,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: and then they fight their way back, and then the
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: second wave comes and they get pushed out again. In
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: place like Wisconsin, Minnesota that's loaded with warm water species,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: they spawn in very shallow water. It's easy to envision
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: how that could affect a fish's bed that's up in
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: you know, knee deep water if these weightboats are driving by,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: you know, a dozen times a day.
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: So we just we just did a project up on
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: Lake of the Woods on the Canadian side, and when
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: you're on that, when you're in that lake, it's rusty
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: crayfish everywhere. And rusty crayfish came from the Ohio River
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: basin in the nineteen sixties at some point dropped into
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: this lake, somebody's bait bucket or whatever they have taken over,
• 53:00
  Speaker 6: knocked out the native crayfish. And what rusty crayfish do
• 53:04
  Speaker 6: is is literally alter their habitat by snipping vegetation. And
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: so the diversity of species in their game species game
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: fish species to target has changed. You don't find large
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: mouth really, the smallies are blowing up. The walleyes are
• 53:20
  Speaker 6: blowing up. And so you start thinking about that and go, yeah,
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: that's a that's a multi decade thing, but it was.
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: It was directly because of the impact on the vegetation
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: in the lake. Now you look at this like you said,
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: and you watch vegetation getting uprooted, you watch the sediment
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: level not settling and changing. That'll change water temperature, that'll
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: change which kind of species can live in that band
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: of the water column.
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: It's it's not going away.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: The water clarity, that's also really meaningful. You'll see, you know,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: after the wakeboat comes over, Oh, the water goes from
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: clear to just you know, covered in sediment.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Right, And that's something that's not going to take a
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: decade to find out.
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: It's pretty quick, right, And you think about you know,
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: if you're a lake shore owner, you know you see
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: a lot of work to mitigate lake shore loss, right
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: because it's just going to start peeling back up your yard.
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: And you think about you think about throwing throwing those
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: rollers all day long, and you'll see you'll see arguments
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: against it, like, well, a bass boat, which is what
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: I own, that throws a wake too. It's like it
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: certainly does. But I don't go out and drive for
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: six hours a day a circle in a circle, you
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: know what I mean? So this is this is a
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: unique situation.
• 54:25
  Speaker 7: You're also not going just up and down hot rotten
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: by the shore to show off to all the girls.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Well, no I do that. I what do you do
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: in this?
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Wakeboards go past you and your fishing? Have you ever
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: chased them down and give them what for?
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: Well?
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: No, I haven't, and I don't.
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's a tough situation, right because they are
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: doing they're being legal, you know, like they're doing their thing.
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: You know, it personally drives me absolutely nuts, but it's
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: like I'm also kind of a freedom guy, you know.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: But if that's why I like, I like this study
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: by the U of M.
• 54:59
  Speaker 6: And I hope there's a bunch more out there coming
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: because if you can just demonstrate that listen, this is
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: not good for the fishery, I'm like, okay, regulated.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what are what are the ways that this
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: is being handled? Like what do these ordinances look like?
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: What are some options for like kind of living together
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: and like coexisting? Are they just damaging?
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Are they just outlawed, like straight up banning boats and no.
• 55:22
  Speaker 6: And that's the thing too, that's that's part of the
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: reason why that case got tossed because it wasn't like
• 55:26
  Speaker 6: they couldn't use them. So it's distance to shore, time
• 55:31
  Speaker 6: of you know, amount of time in the day because
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: you'll see this, uh you know with with jet skis, right,
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: like some lakes, a lot of places they can only
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: be used to like sunset and they're off the water.
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: So we already have precedent for this. But it's like,
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: you know, you're talking to city ordinance with no enforcement
• 55:48
  Speaker 6: versus a state regulation, and so it's it's a little muddy,
• 55:51
  Speaker 6: but it's it's very individualized. You know, there's nothing that's
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: I didn't find anything that was like flat out we're
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: banning these like you just can't use them.
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: Pull them. But I'm sure that they're worried that that's coming.
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: It looks like it would be maybe restrictive to bodies
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: of water certain sizes or something, you know, once you
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: get below a certain acreage of surface.
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: Water, right, And it is.
• 56:15
  Speaker 6: And it's also you know, if you if you have
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: a town on a lake in the Midwest, upper Midwest,
• 56:22
  Speaker 6: probably a fair amount of the tax revenue is tied
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: to recreating on that lake that's not you know, wake boats. Yeah,
• 56:30
  Speaker 6: you know, so it's there's there's a lot of financial
• 56:33
  Speaker 6: incentives in there too.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: This this is something that you see talked about across
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: the country, but I feel like Minnesota and Wisconsin specifically
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: are sort of the tip of the spear on this
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: so far. That seems like it's where there's a real
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: collision of lake life between the people who like to
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: fish and the people who like to you know, be
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: pulled behind a boat or you know, ride a wakeboard
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: behind a boat.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: And I don't even think I think that what we know,
• 57:00
  Speaker 6: we're so used to kind of defaulting to the fishing
• 57:03
  Speaker 6: side of things, but there are you know, we spend
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: a lot of time on lakes in Minnesota there are
• 57:08
  Speaker 6: a lot of people who like to get up and
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: go for a nice paddle board, you know, paddle across
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: the bay or whatever. And it's interesting to me because
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: it might be a time when we would pair up
• 57:19
  Speaker 6: with people who generally aren't in the blood sports.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes me think too about that.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: Being that far north, don't you have it like a
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: limited window when you'd be out there swimming for sure,
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: for sure, as opposed to being well.
• 57:32
  Speaker 6: And that's that's part of the problem too, is you know,
• 57:34
  Speaker 6: you have maybe four months a year where the water
• 57:36
  Speaker 6: tamp is right for everybody to be out, so there's
• 57:39
  Speaker 6: all these competing you know, recreational opportunities.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: More to come, I imagine this conversation will be very different,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: you know, next year, five years from now. Maggie heldo,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: what's going on with pronghorn migration corridors.
• 57:53
  Speaker 7: Well, this isn't the newest news, but I was, I
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: was involved with this, so we're going to talk about
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: it today.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 58:00
  Speaker 7: So, on June twenty sixth, Wyoming Governor Mark Gordon officially
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: designated the first Analoge migration corridor in the nation, which
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: is pretty big news. It's over two million I think
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: that's right. Yeah, two million acres and this has been
• 58:17
  Speaker 7: in the works for years. So the part of the
• 58:20
  Speaker 7: process I was in was a working group. It was
• 58:24
  Speaker 7: sort of like the final review of this, but it's
• 58:29
  Speaker 7: backed on twenty years of data collection that the Game
• 58:32
  Speaker 7: and Fish have done. So I was in what was
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: the governor appointed Local Working Group. So I live in Pinedale, Wyoming,
• 58:43
  Speaker 7: that's in Sublet County. It consisted of commissioners from Sublet, Teton, Lincoln,
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: Sweetwater counties I think that's all of them, and then
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: various stakeholder groups. So I was representing wildlife, conservation and hunting.
• 58:58
  Speaker 7: There were also representedives for industry, agg motorized wreck So
• 59:04
  Speaker 7: we had like a lot of different opinions, you know,
• 59:09
  Speaker 7: different different looks on how we should be approaching this.
• 59:16
  Speaker 7: So what we were tasked with doing was looking at
• 59:19
  Speaker 7: this one hundred and fifty page biological risk assessment compiled
• 59:24
  Speaker 7: from the Game and Fish and so what they had
• 59:27
  Speaker 7: done at this point was identified the corridor from all
• 59:31
  Speaker 7: this data that they collected, and so it was broken
• 59:35
  Speaker 7: down into originally ten segments that got whittled down by
• 59:41
  Speaker 7: the time we were reviewing it to eight segments. So
• 59:45
  Speaker 7: it was our job to like look this over see
• 59:49
  Speaker 7: if the corridor provided too many protections not enough, what
• 59:53
  Speaker 7: other recommendations we would give. So we met with representatives
• 59:59
  Speaker 7: from counties, people like planning and zoning, oil and gas reps,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 7: a lot of wildlife biologists. Took some time for public
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 7: comments every month, so this was like a six month
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 7: process that we were meeting and going over all these details.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 7: So the actual designation, what this doesn't doesn't do, I'll
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 7: go over I think it's important to recognize that private
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 7: land is included in that two million acres, but it's
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 7: not really impacted by designation. There's nothing that like private
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 7: landowners can or can't do because of this. If anything,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 7: there's a benefit. They're more likely to get funding dollars
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: to do things like habitat improvements or fencing improvements on
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 7: their properties if they have old barbed wire fence that
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 7: they want to make wildlife friendly because they're located within
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 7: the court or they're more likely to get the funding
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 7: dollars for that. Now, So the corridor itself is broken
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: down into low, medium, and high use areas and then
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 7: they're stopovers and bottlenecks, and the way the protections are
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 7: distributed within the corridor are dependent off of that. So
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 7: the I mean it's pretty straightforward, like low end medium
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 7: use areas have the least amount of protections because the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 7: way the GPS collar data, you know, they're seeing the
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 7: least amount of migrations happening in these areas, but they're
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: still enough to determine that, yes, this is where the
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 7: animals are using this area for migration.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 8: So it's.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 7: The way that the wording is phrased is like surface disturbances,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 7: and what that means is like new developments, drilling a
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 7: gas well, drilling a mind, setting up solar facility. So
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: if you're doing any of these things on public lands,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: you have to go through a process. You have to
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 7: speak with BLM, you have to speak with the game
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 7: and fish. So this sets up sort of the conversation
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 7: that these industries have to have with game and fish
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: and BLM in order to develop these areas. So low
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 7: and medium use surface disturbances can occur, but human presence
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 7: is limited during migration periods, and each segment of the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 7: corridor has a window of time during spring and fall
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 7: migrations that sort of determines when these human present times.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: If that makes sense, So it's sort of it gives
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 7: a buffer period of like, okay, this is when people
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 7: should not be in this area. So it's the same
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 7: but a little bit more intense for high use areas.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 7: So high use areas it's defined as surface disturbances shall
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 7: not disturb the functionality of the corridor. So a high
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 7: use area, you can develop there as long as it's
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 7: not impinging on how antelope migrate through that area. So
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 7: the difference between that bottlenecks. Bottlenecks are where the protections
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 7: really come into play, and that's where the corridor has
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 7: been funneled down to this small area where there's a
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 7: lot of antelope moving through a very small window. So
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 7: an example of this, down by Rock Springs there was
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: a bottleneck and so there was a cliff on one side,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: a highway on the other side, and things got pushed
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: through really fast. There was a solar plant that was
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 7: put in the middle between the cliff and the highway,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 7: so the antelope have nowhere to go, nowhere to move
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 7: through there except for the highway. So back in twenty
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 7: two twenty three, we had this really severe winner. We
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: also had pneumonia, We had really really crazy animal die offs.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: I mean there were there were just herds of animals
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 7: that laid down and died on the side of the roads.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 7: It was devastating for our populations. So this was one
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 7: of those areas, these bottlenecks, where they recognize that, Okay,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: we have to keep these open because if not, that's
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: where you're going to see piles of animals on the
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 7: side of the highway if we don't keep this open.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 7: So bottlenecks only make up seventy five hundred acres of
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: public lands within this corridor, and that's where there are
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: no surface disturbances allowed and no human presence during migration.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 7: So the bottlenecks are really where the most protections come
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: into play within the corridor. And so it's really not
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 7: a super strong legal like, it's not law in Wyoming.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 7: It's guidelines for development. It provides opportunities for conservation dollars,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: and it opens the potential for more protections for prong
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: worn and more years to come. And you know, when
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: we were asked to apply to this group, we were
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 7: asked to consider the Teddy Roosevelt quote, conservation means development
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 7: as much as it means protection. And I think what
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 7: this cored or designation does is a pretty reasonable balance
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 7: between those two things. You know, we need development to
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: support our communities. It pays for some conservation for It's like,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 7: we can't exist in a world without development, so we
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 7: need to be able to do it in responsible ways
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 7: while still being mindful of our other natural resources like wildlife.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 7: So this designation isn't saying we can't develop, it's only
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 7: saying that in those very fragile bottleneck areas. So I'm
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 7: really proud that we got this pass through to designation.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 7: I really you know, our analoge populations have been bouncing back,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 7: and it's it's good to see, it's promising to see,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: and I hope this opens up more money for more
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 7: fencing work and more habitat change, and you know, hopefully
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 7: maybe one day some good karma for me so I
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 7: can draw an analope tag.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Do you think that like the private ranchers who live
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: along this area are are they aware of this new
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: recommendation or if they were listening right now, this would
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: be news to them.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: No, I think they're aware of it. I think, you know,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 7: we had ad representatives there, and I think there's a
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 7: big push for ranchers to change to wildlife fence friendly
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 7: fencing in our area, which would look like what So
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 7: for pronghorn it means moving the bottom wire up because
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 7: they tend to go under. The issue is that twenty
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 7: two to twenty three Winner we had an abnormal amount
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 7: of snow at lower elevations, so the fences were buried.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 7: So there's you know, there's this push for research to
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 7: figure out what con fencing look like in the winners
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 7: when they can't get under it. There's lay down fencing,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: there's areas where we have gates that we can open,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 7: so it's there's there's more opportunities to research sort of
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: how we can work with ranchers because I mean, we
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 7: have a ton of public land where we live, but
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: there's also a ton of private land. I don't live
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 7: around a lot of people. I like it that way,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 7: but it's you know, private land. It's it's very it's
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 7: just as important for wildlife as it as public land.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: Is I think something worth noting on this one too,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: And first off, kudos Maggie, thank you so much for
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: being a part of this program. We're being on that
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: working group. That's amazing. You know, this is a pretty
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: renowned migration route, right, It's it's branded very nicely the
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: Path of the prong Horn. But this is the longest
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: known land animal migration route in the lower forty eight States.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: So these pronghorn are going from around Grand Teeton Nash
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: Park one hundred and fifty to two hundred miles all
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: the way down past where Maggie lives in Pinedale into
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: that Korean River valley. So that's a substantial distance, pretty
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: amazing wildlife feet that's still happening in the lower forty eight.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: But you know, there's a lot of change, and you
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: can speak to this much better than me. But with
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: the gas field and Pinedale, with the growth of the community,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of fragmentation of that habitat now, right,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of development now that is making these
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: protections so much more important. So this is like very
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: important at a crucial time as that area that they
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: used to pass through, that they depend on is changing rapidly.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I forgot to speak to this, but we've
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 7: already had the mule Deer Migration Corridor established in the area.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 7: We have things like winter range areas acknowledge that sort
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 7: of restrict access. We also, you know, this benefits more
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: than just prong horn. There's studies out that show sage
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: gus and prong horn have a lot of similar habitats.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 7: So this is sort of I see this having a
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 7: ripple effect, that this is going to impact positively more
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 7: than just one species. You know, it's it's helping our
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 7: whole stagebrush ecosystem because it is it's a huge amount
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 7: of land and it's i mean, looking at how things
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 7: have changed. It it's impossible to ignore the changes, you know,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 7: with development, but.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 8: It is what it is.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 7: That that's sort of there's no way around it. So
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 7: I think the more we can have conversations like this
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 7: and set up for success with you know, responsible development.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 7: So we're being mindful about like how we can do
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 7: this without putting a solar plant, you know, and in
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: a place that is going to be a pinch point
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 7: where animals are moving, I think the better we will
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: be going forward.
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  Speaker 2: And Maggie, and that's how I'm going to refer to
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: you of my own is aunt Maggie.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: Has there been a lot of our any substantial pushback
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: on any of the things.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 7: There was some, I mean we went back and forth
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 7: a lot. There was a point during the process where
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 7: I thought people didn't want it to be designated because
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 7: they thought, well, this isn't doing anything, this is just
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 7: going to cause troubles for me, you know, trying to
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 7: get permits to drill a gas well. So we had
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 7: a lot of pushback, but I think, you know, I
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 7: think people realize if they want to drill, if they
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 7: want to mine, if they want to you know, set
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 7: up a data center in this place that we live,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 7: we care a lot about other resources there too, so
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 7: they're going to have to come to terms with that.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 7: So you know, they pushed, we pushed back, We came
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 7: to an agreement, and there are we put out. I mean,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: it's a multi page document of recommendations of things going forward,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 7: because we heard things like, well, you know, the BLM
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 7: doesn't always listen to what's written in the mule deer
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 7: migration cord or recommendations, and there's disconnect between them and
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 7: the game and fish. So you know, we put out
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 7: that there should be an MoU and and nothing that
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 7: we wrote was necessarily like a legally like defined thing.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 7: It was just like, hey, we think that the Governor's
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 7: office should do this, So It'll be interesting to see
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 7: where it goes from here. But just getting to the
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 7: point of designation as something that's worth celebrating.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Good stuff, Maggie. All right, now we have Jordan Sailers
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: bringing some Blood Trails flavor to the Deuce Show.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: What do you got?
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Jordan's right.
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  Speaker 3: So, this is a story that I've been paying attention
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: to for a little over a year, and I hope
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: to cover it in greater detail in a Blood Trails episode,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: but as you'll see now, is just not quite the
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: right time for it. So Ian Eccles was a forty
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: six year old turkey hunter who went missing in Kittius
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: kit Titus, Kittatus County, Washington. And so this happened back
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty and so, like I said, I I've
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: been tracking it for about a year now, but there
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: was recently a major update just last month, which we'll
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: get to in a minute. I also spoke with one
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: of the game ordens who was involved in this case.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: So you're gonna get some information here, which is why
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: you listen to the Meet Your News podcast that you're
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: not gonna get anywhere else. So to give a little
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: bit of backstory here, Ian was last scene on May seventeenth,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty, and the plan was to he was gonna
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: go turkey hunting with his buddy, but he was gonna
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: go up and camp by himself the night before and
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: then meet up the next morning. This is near the
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: town of Liberty in Washington. It's of a mix of
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: there's a big national force there, there's also some some
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: state land. His buddy goes up the next morning and
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: he doesn't find Ian. He's not where he was supposed
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: to be camping, and so he goes hunting, but he's
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: kind of increasingly concerned. This is Ian's friend, and so
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: he calls Ian's other friends. They come up to look
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: for Ian because they're like they're concerned. It's not like
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: they think, maybe, you know, he's he went to a
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: different campsite, or maybe he got lost in the woods,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: and like he needs help.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: We need to go find him.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: So they're looking for him and they're not super concerned
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: until they see Ian's car. It was a Toyota FJ Cruiser,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: but someone else is driving it, someone that they don't recognize,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: and the back windshield of the car was broken and
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: like gone, and they knew it was Ian's car because
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: the driver was wearing Ian's hat and they recognized his hat,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: and so they flag him down. They're like, hey, like
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: where's Ian and the guy just drives off. And so
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: at this point, like we're pretty concerned, So the Sheriff's
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: office gets involved. It becomes a you know, a man
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: hunt basically not only for Ian, but also for this
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: guy that was driving Ian's car. And so about a
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: week later they find Ian's car. It had been abandoned,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: and what they find inside is not promising. There was
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: blood everywhere, it looked like there had been some kind
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: of fight. The back windshield it appeared had been shot
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: out rather than you know, broken in some other way.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: And so along with all that stuff they find Ian's ID,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: so they know it's his car, but they also find
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: the idea of someone else. This guy's name is Jorge
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: Oma al Kantara Gonzalez, and al Kintara was kind of
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: a known criminal in the area.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: He hung out like in the woods, and he.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: Was implicated in another vehicle theft of an elderly woman
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: who was found dead inside her house. He had her
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: car at one point, and it's unclear what his involvement
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: is there. He's also linked to like robberies of like
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: cabins in the area, things like that.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: So they're looking for this guy.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: Three days later, a warden sees a guy carrying a
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: shotgun in the area and he doesn't know who it is.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: But like at this point, all the hunters had been like,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: you guys need to be out of this area. They'd
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: cleared the area of hunters because they're looking for, you know,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: a murder suspect. This has been a week now since
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: it's been missing. Yeah, it's it's been about a week
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: maybe a little bit more. He sees this guy carrying
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: a shotgun. He's like, hey, you need to stop and
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: talk to me. The guy drops a shotgun, runs into
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: the woods. It's Ian shotgun. They think it's it's all Kantar.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: So they know he's like out there just like hiding
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: out in the woods. And so you know, at this point,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: like the manhunt is huge. The game ward and I
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: spoke with said one of the biggest man hunts in
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: the history of the state. Tons of agencies involved, like
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: the Warden Service, the Sheriff's office, the FEDS are involved,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: and the ward and I spoke with really emphasized like
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: the danger of this hunt, and you can kind of imagine,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: like you're a game warden looking for this guy.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: You're walking through the woods.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: You don't know whether he's like behind a tree looking
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: at you from a ridge, Like he's clearly armed. He's
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: you know, dangerous. He knows how to survive in the woods,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: and so it's a very dangerous operation for these guys
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: like looking for al Kantara. His family was pretty cooperative
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: and they sort of explained like, yeah, he goes up
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: there and like lives in the woods all summer. You know,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: he forges, he poaches, he you know, probably steals from
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: cabins to just like survive. So he just like lives
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: up there. So and it's a giant area, like it's
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: extremely difficult to like find like search through every nook
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: and cranny. They got close a few times. The game
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: wardens said they found fresh human feces that they had
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: reason to believe were his, and so they you know,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: they know he's close. They dispatched like playing closed wardens
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: to just like act as hikers, right, and so if
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: they run into him, he won't just run away.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: So they did that.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: They said they set out trail cams hoping to you know,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: hoping to spot him somewhere. But this is, like he said,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: it was kind of like a siege strategy because it's
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: such a big area. You're not going to like find
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: him wherever he's hiding out. You're just going to kind
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: of keep the pressure on until something happens, right, And
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: so something did happen twenty three days into the search.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: So now we're into June of twenty twenty.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: Someone calls from a cabin and says, Hey, I see
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: someone in my neighbor's cabin, but I know they're not
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: supposed to be home, and so they think, okay, this
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: is a pretty good and I think they had reason
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: to believe he was in that area.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 5: So the warden I spoke with one up there with
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: three other two other guys.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: So there's only three of them up there, And like,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: in this type of situation, you would want more guys, right,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: you would want more people to like get this guy
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: out of this cabin because they know he's armed, but
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: they also know he's slipped away several times.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: They like need to find him, so they go up there.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 5: Sure enough, they see him inside.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: He's like making food in the kitchen, they see a
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: gun next to him, and they, you know, I imagine
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: the conversation, maybe Brent, you can speak to this was
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: like do we wait for other people to show up
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: or do we just go in? And they decided to
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: just go in. So they approached the house. They yelled like, hey,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: come out with your hands up. I imagine like if
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: he'd grabbed his gun, it would have ended much differently,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: but he didn't. He came out of the house, he
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: was arrested kind of without incident.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it ended well in that sense. It the
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: story gets a little confusing at this point. So this
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: happened all the way back in twenty twenty. This guy's
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: clearly suspected in a murder, but everyone was kind of
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: confused because he wasn't.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: Charged with murder.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: He was charged with eight other felonies for stealing the car,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: stealing guns, and he pleaded guilty and went to prison.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: So everyone's like, like, what's going on. This guy's clearly implicated.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: He's been named but not charged. What we've since found
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: out is that the strategy was we're gonna charge him
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: with these felonies, We're gonna get him, you know, off
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: the street or out of the woods, right where he
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: can't hurt anyone, get him in prison, and then build
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: the murder case against him. So this is the big
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: update that happened just last month, as his release date
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: was approaching for those other felonies, he was charged with murder.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: And you know, the case is pretty convincing.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: They have the forensic evidence from the car there was,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: They have GPS evidence linking him to the area.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: They have apparently they have go pro.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: Footage of him, like using Ian's tent and like his stuff,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: like three days after Ian went missing.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Who's GoPro?
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure. Actually it could have been Ian's. I
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: imagine it was.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, like and I and this
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: is all speculation, right, I don't I don't know exactly
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: all the evidence they have because they haven't released all
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: of it. The defense could argue, like, hey, this guy
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: just found Ian, like he just wandered in found Ian.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: Ian was dead, He got scared, he you know, put
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: Ian's body somewhere, stole all this stuff. He didn't have
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: anything to do with murder, right, So you can imagine
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: that kind of defense, and so you can see why
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: they took all that time.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: To build this case is a lot different than right
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: it is.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: Fine. Well, and that's that's the thing that's like the
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: kind of you know, besides Ian's death, the most tragic
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: part of the story is that they still haven't found Ian.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: And so you can also imagine, again pure speculation, you
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: can imagine some kind of plea deal where he tells
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: them where he left Ian. He gets closure for the
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: Eccles family as part of some kind of plea agreement.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: But who knows, who knows, you know, whatever that will happen.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: So you know, if if you live in this area
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: of Washington State, I know his family, uh, you know,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: ever before hunting season every year, does some media like, hey,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: please be on the lookout for our you know, our brother,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: our son because he's still up there somewhere and no
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: one knows where.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, Brent, how common is that that, like you
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: would know without a doubt that this person did this crime,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: specifically a murder. We just like can't get the courts
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: to you know, agree with us. Yeah, it's without a doubt. Thing,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: it has to be without a doubt, you know.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: And then it's I've seen that, I've seen that similarly
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: happen before, where you you've got to lead pipe since
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: conviction on something that you go and get him to
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: confess to or that you don't have to confess that
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: you can get them to sign. Yeah, I'll do you know,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: six years or whatever, and then you know we'd be
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: able to case from that. So I knew where he
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: was going with that when they didn't charge him with
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: murder to begin with. Oh yeah, well they don't have
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: the facts yet, and you're going to do that once.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: You know, if you take somebody and they're found not guilty,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: you didn't have all your ducks in a row, then
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: you know you're sol to do it again that it
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: ain't going to happen.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeorge, what's it going to take to make this
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: into a full episode?
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: Do we need a conviction? Yeah?
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: So at this point in the case, no one's talking
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: because the guy's been charged but not convicted, and so
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: prosecutors you know, are never going to talk to me.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: And then they also tell the family, hey, don't talk
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: to the media because and I get it, and I'm
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: not like it's fine because they don't want to mess
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: up the case. They don't want to mess up the prosecution.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: By releasing some kind of information. And so that's really
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: what I need to do a Blood Trail's episode is
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: you know, access to people who can tell me what happened.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: And right now that access just isn't there. So I'm
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 5: waiting for you know, the triald happened.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, we'll be on lookout for that, all right. Brent
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: has an update around hikers in Arkansas. What do you got,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Brent Man? This is the first of its kind.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: In Arkansas that I'm familiar with, and it has caused
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: a bit of a the social media blow up. But
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: while owned wildlife management areas, which is areas in Arkansas
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: that are completely owned by the Arkansas by the state,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: by the Game and Fish Commission, lakes and ground, which
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: I think makes up like twelve percent of the total
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: public land in Arkansas is state owned and managed by
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: the state.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: To access that, now, to.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: Paddle a boat, hike, bird watch, or non hunting or
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: non fishing activity just to be there, you're going to
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: have to buy ten dollars and fifty cent permit. And
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: it has it went into effect. You lie the first
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: and man, all my social I get messages all the
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: time about so I can't believe this is such big
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: money grabbed by the Gaming Fish. All they want to
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: do is make extra money so they can waste it
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: on something else. But when it first started, I started
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: trying to keep an open mind about what was going on,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: what was happening, So I started talking to other hunters,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: and then I eventually started talking to the administration of
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: the Gaming Fish, a good friend of mine, he.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: Is a deputy director, and I absolutely see it.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: You know, the trend has been like in out West,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: I think you guys are probably more familiar with this
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: type of permit access permit than we are. Like, you
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: got to buy a pretty expensive permit to drive through
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: Yellowstone and you're not. I mean, that's that. That was
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: a new one to me my first trip out here.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: Let's go to Yellowstone, Okay, Well, first thing you got
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: to do is get a permit and I'm like, oh,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: to drive on the highway. You got to be kidding.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: So it's a reflection of that that is the use
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: change or the usage has changed over the last few
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: decades where there are more people who are going there
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: that are not just hunting and fishing, so it's a
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: bigger impact on the area.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: And with a bigger impact on the area.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: It's going to cost more to regulate it, upkeep and
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. So I think this regulation for
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: this permit is an absolute got our counter person counter
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: to see how many are actually used in the land,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: because you know, you can they got a formula to
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: used by how many game wards check fishing license and
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: hunting license and the surveys that they send out for
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: who's using this piece of property, and they can kind
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: of get an idea of the impact they're going to
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: have on that, but no idea about folks that are
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: not hunting and fishing there. The caveats to the permit
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: is if you're under sixteen. If you're fifteen and under,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: you don't have to have a permit. The Game and
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: Fish can sanction activities to do it, like you know
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: four h or FFA or academic groups going out there
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: to study. If you have a fishing license or a
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: hunting license, you're exempt from it.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: So it's obviously a.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: To me, you know, try to figure out how many
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: folks are doing it, and in the there will be
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: penalties for it if you don't have it. But it
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: was implemented in July the first and there's they've got
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: a grace period to where they can get the word
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: out and people can can realize, you know, if I'm
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: going out there to watch redbirds, I've got to have
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: this permit before I go.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: And the interesting thing that I that I saw was
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: when they did this, they did the survey back in February.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: It went from February the nineteenth to March the sixth
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: of this year. They put that survey out to all
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: license holders of anything in Arkansas. They got eight thousand,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: four hundred and seventy seven responses to the WMA permit
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: question that specific question. Support for it was at forty
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: one point five percent, Opposition to it was twenty four
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: point seven percent, and thirty three point eight percent had
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: no opinion, like they didn't care. But it kind of
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: goes back to the social media thing. The social media
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: ain't very social because the majority of things that I
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: see and there is negative for it, and it was
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: you know, almost half of the people that were supported.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: Do they have a gas as to what kind of
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: revenue this will drive?
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: They didn't. They don't, and I think that's part of it.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: They really have no idea how many people are going
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: out there but with that revenue, if it's if it
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: is you know, significant, it's only going to improve.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: I think, I think it's a.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: Good thing, and I think everybody should pay their way.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: I'm paying my way to go out there.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 6: So let me ask you this, because the most common
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 6: devil's advocate here for our side is, you know, we
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 6: buy hunting a fishing licenses like crazy. We support the
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: management for fisheries wildlife, you know, in a disproportionate way
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 6: generally in a lot of states. When you so like
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 6: a backpack tax or whatever, this hiker tax. On the surface,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 6: it's like, yeah, we let somebody else pitch in if
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 6: they're going to be you know, recreating out there. But
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 6: at the same time, do we want to give up
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 6: a spot at the table? Do we want to give
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 6: up any level of you know, power we might have
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 6: in the decision making process because of how we like
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 6: to use it. And so there's it's kind of a
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 6: double edged sword, right, like we want more people to pay,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 6: but these groups start pitching in, Yep, they have a seat.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: At the table, you know, and they might not like
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 5: shooting deer.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: Well that ships sailed though, Like they already have a
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: seat at that table, so they might as well be
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: paying for it, Like more and more and more of
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: those other interest groups are having more influence. Well, that's true,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: and so are regardless of what we may want. This
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: idea that claiming that forever we're the only ones to
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: pay for it is going to give a soul right
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: to dictate how things are managed. That's just not holding
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: up anymore. Definitely won't be in five or ten years.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: Well, another part of that I liked it is you know,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: if you're you're buying a permit for this one of
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: twelve places there in the state of Arkansas that that
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: the game official owns, that money is federally law. It's
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: a federal law. That money goes back to that specific spot.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: So well that part that's good.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 7: And this is ten dollars a year, right, not yeah,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 7: ten dollars. I mean like we have we have things
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 7: like conservation stamps that are you know, through game and
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 7: fish that it's like you have to have one with
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 7: your hunting tag if you use game fish lands, like
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 7: you have to have one.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that won't bout stay.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 7: There's things like that. But I mean, if you're gonna
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 7: use you know, like a pit toilet, or whatever. Toilet
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 7: paper ain't free, you know, road main insane free, you can't.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 7: There's no such thing as free lunch. So I think
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 7: if you're going to bitch about a ten dollars fifty
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 7: a year, you can maybe go deal with your own stuff.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: Thanks what you saying?
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 6: That brings PTSD to me when I see it in
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 6: Minnesota when they're like, we haven't raised the fishing license
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 6: price in seventeen years.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: And we want to raise it a buck, and people
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 5: lose their mind.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's always like an immediate shock to
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: the system, but it only takes a few years and
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: it's just very normalized and you're just like, yeah, it's
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: the ten dollars thing you pay to go enjoy public
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: lands if you want to watch birds or use the
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: pit toilets that they offer.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: Well, Utah tried this like pretty recently and the backlash
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: was so severe they like, forget it, They abandoned the effort.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: It's crazy.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: So well I'm I'm going to be for it. So
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: send the hate mail to Spencer.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, and then I'll tell you to send it to Mark,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: who has our last story of the day about some
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: historic fishing closures. Across the western part of our United States.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: What do you got, Mark, Yeah, Well, since we're you know,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: we've been talking for a while, we'll try not to
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: labor this too much. But the headline here is that
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: high water temperatures across much of the West have been
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: leading to catch and release fishing closures that are at
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of all time highs now. This is
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: something that over the last decade plus, you know, anybody
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: who spends time, especially trout fishing out in these Western
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: states has gotten used to seeing this. It's happening more
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: and more and more, seemingly though every year, and just
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: recently some some relatively attention grabbing new updates that have
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: popped up. Most notably, your home state of Wyoming has
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: implemented the first voluntary closures what they call it for
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: catch and release fishing on the renowned Snake River. So
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: this is iconic water that runs from Yellowstone National Park
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: through Grand Teton National Park to the state border. This
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: is kind of like the jewel of Wyoming of fly
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: fishing imaginations, and now from noon to sunrise, they are
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: asking anglers to stay away. They're asking anglers not to
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: be out there catching these fish because of the fact
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: that these high water temperatures, which lead to lower oxygen
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: levels as well, put high stress on these fish. And
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: this is happening not just on the snake, but also
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: many of the other major rivers in Wyoming. It is
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: impacting the Green River, the North Platte River, the New
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: Fork River, the Big Horn River. And actually there's a
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: full closure now on a segment of the Big Horn River,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: which is another huge draw, huge tourist draw to Wyoming.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: Then if you move on down you've got similar hootile
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: restrictions across almost every major trout fishing river destination in Montana.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: I think it is twenty four rivers. At least twenty
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: four rivers now have hoot owl restrictions, which is what they.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: Call Yeah, explain that because that was a new term
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: for me. Yep.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: So hoot all is simply something similar to what Wyoming
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: put into place in Montana. That means, from two pm
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: on they're asking And this is not so much a
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: voluntary closure but an actual more enforceable closure on Montana rivers.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: Hood all means after two o'clock, catching, release fishing is
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: a no no. So that's twenty four rivers at least
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: twelve hundred miles of river is covered by that in
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: the state of Montana. Now most of them are like
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: very notable bodies of water, Oh yeah, Beaverhead, Yellowstone, Big Hole,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: Bitter Gallon in Missouri, I mean krem Dela, creme of
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: what trout anglers are traveling to Montana to go experience
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: now half the day you can't experience them. In Colorado,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: at least nineteen rivers now have similar restrictions, something like
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: six hundred and thirty five river miles impacted, and state
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: officials are calling that unprecedented. So that's something they've never
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: experienced to that degree in Colorado. And as of last week,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: the entire Yellowstone National Parks, the entirety of all the
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: rivers and streams in Yellowstone National Park are under the
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: same kind of thing. So if you care about cold
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: water fish and fishing for them, these days, it is
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: getting more and more unlikely that you will get to
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: experience it the way maybe you could have ten years
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: ago or fifteen years ago during parts of the year.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: And so here's what's happening here. I mentioned that the
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: higher water temperatures, right, you've got historic, historically low winter
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: snowpacks in the winter like well we had this past
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: year across much of the West. You've got these record
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: heat waves, you have this mega drought that's been going
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: on two decades relatively consistently across large parts of the West.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: All of this is leading to stream flows going down
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: sooner in the year. River temperature is going up higher
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: than they used to and staying high. All of that
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: is just not good for a species that is relatively
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: fragile and needs that cold water. And when you add
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: on the stress of fishing a catching and release type situation,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: you're taking a possibly already physiologically stressed fish and then
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: adding in that physical exertion. It makes survival rates plummet.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: So the recommendation from Trout Unlimited and by most state
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: agencies now is that once you reach a sixty eight
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: degree water temperature to give them a break, that's when
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: severe stress and real concerns around survival rate hits. So
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: sixty eight degrees and higher, folks are saying, hey, let's
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: get out of there, let's leave the trout. B When
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: you're getting above like seventy two degrees, that's when we're
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: reaching like lethal thresholds for these fish. When that happens consistently,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: a whole bunch of bodily functions start going down the drain.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: For trout, each different trout subspecies is a little bit different.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: So rainbow trout and brown trout handle the warmer water
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: temperatures better than say, cutthroat trout. So you know, for
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: the native western trout cutthroat, there's a bunch of subspecies,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: but they really need that really good cold water. They
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: are on decline and have been struggling for all sorts
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: of reasons, including the introduced species of brown trout and
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: rainbow trout out competing them. So now with these warmer
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: water temperatures, that's increasing that challenge even more so because
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: the browns are going to do a little bit better,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: the cutthroat are going to struggle more so, and so
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: you're going to have this competition threat continue to kind
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: of build as well. So you've got a lot of
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: different things layering on top of us here that are
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: going to impact those native trout of the West, and
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: really a lot of anglers, a lot of people that
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: care about this resource, a lot of you know, businesses
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: and fly guides and you know, shops and hotels and
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: all of this, you know that right on top of
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: this ecosystem and these these species. So it's something that's
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: you know, as someone who's been a part time residentut
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: here for a decade plus, I've been seeing more and
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: more and realizing, oh wow, the way I experience this
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: place is changing. And I'm sure you know, Maggie, you've
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: been seeing it living here your whole life. How that
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: has become seemingly just a part of what it means
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: to fish in the West is that, hey, August is
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: a crapshoot. August might not be a thing anymore for
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: big parts of the year.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 7: There's not creek fishing in August. It's pretty much what
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 7: it comes down to.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: That's are Wyoming's closures voluntary. They're not even like you
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: have to be off the water to this point.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: They're not making them legally enforceable, but they're like this
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: very strongly worded suggestion, and they're saying, if anglers will
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: follow this, and we're asking that they do so, then
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: we won't be forced to go further. But this is
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: like that step, This is the final warning before they
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: have to do something further.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: The Antelope Corridor Recommendation fishing when it's hot out recommendation.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: Told what to do?
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: Really, are you stie? Depends when I need to be Yeah,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: are you going to be fishing out there?
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: Though?
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 7: No, No, it's not that it's the fishing also doesn't
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 7: get it's not that good when it's that hot, right,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 7: they're lethargic, they're not that fun to fight. I might
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 7: be on the lakes trolling for some big lakers because
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 7: that water stays pretty pretty consistent. We don't really get
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 7: above seventy and the lakers are pretty low. So when
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 7: it gets a little warm, we go to the lakes,
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 7: and then we go to the mountains and there's there's
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 7: still cold water around.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: But that's a great point though, is like making sure
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: that people know about the alternatives. Like if we're reaching
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: those higher water temperatures, yeah, give the trout a break
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: in those rivers where you have that. But there are
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: alternatives the lakes, you know, high alpine tributaries, Uh, you know,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: switching to warm water, species chasing, some bass chasing, you know,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: something like that in these reservoirs. This is you know,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: we don't want to love these things to death. We
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: got to if it means we sacrifice a little bit
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: of time, a little bit of that experience. I think
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: that's certainly better for the long term. Two other things
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: to consider. When you're in that zone, approaching the sixty
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: eight degree kind of line, they do ask, you know,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: if you are still going to catch and release between
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: like sixty five to sixty eight degrees, you know, try
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: to make sure that those fights with a fish are
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: as short as possible. So don't baby them for fifteen minutes.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: To make sure you don't break off a fish, like
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: get that guy in, use a heavier tippet, don't take
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: all these pictures and have like a five minute photo
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: shoot with a fish. Get these fish in fast, get
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: them back in the water fast, give them the best
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: chance for survival. I think if you do that. Another
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: thing I talked with a guide down in Idaho, a
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  Speaker 3: friend of mine, Mike Dawkins, about this, and he said,
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  Speaker 3: just remember, like as we are moving into this world
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  Speaker 3: of warmer water temperatures, increasingly stressed trout. You know, numbers
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  Speaker 3: don't have to be the thing. Like so many people
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  Speaker 3: want to chase catching tons and tons of trout. Let's
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  Speaker 3: maybe focus more on the experience. Let's catch five trout
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  Speaker 3: in a way that it's really exciting to us, and
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  Speaker 3: then enjoy the rest of the float. Or let's go
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  Speaker 3: do something different where you can still enjoy that fly
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  Speaker 3: fishing or that trout fishing however you like to do it.
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  Speaker 3: But we don't need to pound every single possible fish
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  Speaker 3: because there's more and more people trying to do this.
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  Speaker 3: The conditions are getting more and more difficult for the fish,
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  Speaker 3: so we're all gonna have to give a little to
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  Speaker 3: keep this around for the long term.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe time for those trout anglers to just start
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  Speaker 1: thinking about hunting season. It's only a month away.
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  Speaker 5: It's getting a bed, all right.
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  Speaker 1: That's the end of today's episode. Next week, though, Steve
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  Speaker 1: is back, and for the first time, he's going to
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  Speaker 1: be doing a news show from the Fish Shack, So
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  Speaker 1: tune in to see how fun or weird or bad
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  Speaker 1: that goes. See you back here then by now,