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Sharri | 6 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Welcome to our special live coverage on
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Speaker 2: this historic night. Donald Trump will be the forty seventh
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Speaker 2: president of the United States. And this is a political
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Speaker 2: comeback for the ages from impeachment, the threat of jail,
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Speaker 2: and even sentimeters away from death in assassination attempts. And
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Speaker 2: what an extraordinary night it's been. It wasn't close in
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Speaker 2: the end. This is in fact closer to a landslide
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Speaker 2: win for Trump. The President elect claimed victory before a
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Speaker 2: euphoric crowd.
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Speaker 3: I will fight for you, for your family, and your future.
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Speaker 3: Every single day, I will be fighting for you, and
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Speaker 3: with every breath in my body, I will not rest
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Speaker 3: until we have delivered the strong, safe, and prosperous America
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Speaker 3: that our children deserve and that you deserve. This will
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Speaker 3: truly be the Golden Age of America.
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Speaker 2: That's what we have to have.
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Speaker 3: This is a magnificent victory for the American people that
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Speaker 3: will allow us to make America great again.
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Speaker 2: Speaking just over an hour ago, Donald Trump also welcomed
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Speaker 2: his new VP, who he said turned out to be
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Speaker 2: a good choice.
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Speaker 3: I want to be the first to congratulate our great
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Speaker 3: now I can say Vice President elect of the United
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Speaker 3: States to do. Will say a couple of words.
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Speaker 4: He well, well, mister President, I appreciate you allowing me
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Speaker 4: to join you on this incredible journey. I thank you
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Speaker 4: for the trust that you have placed in me. And
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Speaker 4: I think that we just witnessed the greatest political comeback
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Speaker 4: in the history of the United States of America.
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Speaker 2: This is an extraordinary night. It is one you will
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Speaker 2: never forget. You have to watch the full coverage here
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Speaker 2: on Sky News. And in that speech, Donald Trump also
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Speaker 2: spoke about his near death experience.
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Speaker 3: Many people have told me that God spared my life
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Speaker 3: for a reason, and that reason was to save our
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Speaker 3: country and to restore America to greatness. And now we
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Speaker 3: are going to fulfill that mission. Together, We're going to
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Speaker 3: fulfill that mission.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump also credited Elon Musk. He described him as
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Speaker 2: a new star, and in a unifying message, Trump said
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Speaker 2: it was now time to heal the nation. It has
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Speaker 2: to be said. Trump has tonight also won the national vote,
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Speaker 2: and you can see he's won close to fifty one
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Speaker 2: or more than fifty one percent of the vote. His
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Speaker 2: victory tonight is decisive. This is how the electoral map
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Speaker 2: is now looking. Basically a red wave. Fox News is
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Speaker 2: currently projecting that Trump will win at least two hundred
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Speaker 2: and seventy seven of the electoral College votes, and that's
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Speaker 2: just so far. In his speech, Trump predicted that he
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Speaker 2: might even end up winning three hundred and fifty of
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Speaker 2: the electoral College votes. We'll see Kamala Harris is currently
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Speaker 2: sitting at two hundred and twenty six states. The Republicans
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Speaker 2: will also take control of the Senate and likely even
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Speaker 2: the House of Representatives. Now, about five or six hours
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Speaker 2: ago this this initially looked like it was going to
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Speaker 2: be a close race, and that's what the polls were
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Speaker 2: telling us. But then the seven battleground states all seemed
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Speaker 2: to be going in Trump's favor as we got an
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Speaker 2: air right now, here's where they all stand, the so
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Speaker 2: called blue wave turning mostly to a red wave. And
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Speaker 2: the only states that haven't been called by Fox News
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Speaker 2: so far, I'm Michigan, Arizona, Nevada, and Alaska, those four
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Speaker 2: states remaining. The result was clear by one thirty am
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Speaker 2: local time in New Yorker in Washington, and you remember
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Speaker 2: at the last election in twenty twenty, it took three
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Speaker 2: days before there was a decisive result. Donald Trump delivered
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Speaker 2: his victory speech at two thirty am local time. It
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Speaker 2: is a certain defeat for Kamala Harris, but tonight she
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Speaker 2: refused to concede. She didn't even turn up to thank
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Speaker 2: or address her supporters who'd been waiting hours to hear
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Speaker 2: from her.
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Speaker 5: We will continue overnight to fight to make sure that
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Speaker 5: every voter's counted, that every voice has spoken.
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Speaker 1: So you won't hear from the.
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Speaker 3: Vice president tonight, but you will hear from her tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Now, this was a replica of twenty sixteen, when Hillary
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Speaker 2: Clinton also went home and only front of the nation
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Speaker 2: the next day. For a while, the results were nail
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Speaker 2: biting for many people watching, barracking for one team or
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Speaker 2: the other. But here's the moment that the news broke
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Speaker 2: on air that Donald Trump would be the next president
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Speaker 2: of the United States after he'd won Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 3: In what is going to be the biggest political phoenix
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Speaker 3: from the ashes story that we have ever seen.
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Speaker 6: This is a huge historic moment in the United States
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Speaker 6: of America as the former president Trump is closing in
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Speaker 6: with just a few electoral votes away now from clinching
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Speaker 6: to seventy as Pennsylvania is called for Donald.
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Speaker 3: Trump there is no path, brit Hume for Vice President Harris.
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Speaker 2: That was the moment. The markets and cryptocurrencies reacted very
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Speaker 2: well to the news that Trump would return to the
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Speaker 2: White House, but not so much the TV hosts on MSNBC.
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Speaker 2: They could barely hide their upset, and one called the
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Speaker 2: whole of Florida an extremist, right wing fascist state.
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Speaker 7: It's a pure Project twenty twenty five in miniature in Florida.
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Speaker 7: And that kind of extreme, sort of extremist.
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Speaker 4: Right wing fascist type government in Florida.
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Speaker 7: Does that make it a more attractive place?
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Speaker 4: There are African American women who know a little bit
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Speaker 4: about being talked down to, you know, a little bit
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Speaker 4: about having their economic dreams crushed, who tried.
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Speaker 2: To dream a big dream over the past couple months.
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Speaker 2: The postmodern for what went wrong with the Kamala Harris
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Speaker 2: campaign has already begun now. Democrats tried to make this
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Speaker 2: election about identity and personality, but this result tonight is
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Speaker 2: all about policy. It's about the economy, the cost of
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Speaker 2: living crisis, the border and immigration crisis, crime, foreign policy,
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Speaker 2: national security, and leadership of the free world. These are
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Speaker 2: the issues that Trump fought his campaign on the Democrats
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Speaker 2: couldn't fight the election on policy because Kamala couldn't distance
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Speaker 2: herself from the current administration, which of course she was
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Speaker 2: part of. Instead, she attacked Trump's personality. She called him
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Speaker 2: a fascist, a hitler, and Nazi, and the Democrats even
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Speaker 2: claimed that democracy in America would come to an end
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Speaker 2: if Trump won. And here was Winfrey with that very
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Speaker 2: message on election Eve.
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Speaker 7: If we don't show up tomorrow, it is entirely possible
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Speaker 7: that we will not have the opportunity to ever cast
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Speaker 7: a ballot again.
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Speaker 2: And this was also an election about the elite and
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Speaker 2: the well off versus regular Americans struggling to make ends
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Speaker 2: meet for their family. Celebrities came out for Kamala Harris,
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Speaker 2: while Trump's so called Bros Strategy seems to have paid off.
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Speaker 2: And this has been an incredible night for Trump supporters
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Speaker 2: and for Republicans. And we've got full coverage on the
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Speaker 2: show tonight, starting right now with host of The US
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Speaker 2: Report and Outsiders, James Morrow in North Carolina. James, great
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Speaker 2: to see you. What were the final issues here that
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Speaker 2: was so decisive in some of these battleground states that
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Speaker 2: really came in hard for Donald Trump.
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Speaker 8: Well, I could just tell you, Sherry about my experience
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Speaker 8: here in North Carolina the last few days. Everything people
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Speaker 8: talked about, you know, it was very uniform. All the
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Speaker 8: Trump supporters said the same thing. Economy, immigration, these were
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Speaker 8: the big things. They felt like the country was out
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Speaker 8: of control. And I'll tell you what. We were in
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Speaker 8: California earlier in the week and there where we met
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Speaker 8: Trump supporters, they had very similar concerns, you know, And
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Speaker 8: it's really interesting to me because once upon a time
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Speaker 8: the Democrats got this. You know, Bill Clinton knew this,
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Speaker 8: James Carville knew this. It was the economy stupid, they
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Speaker 8: knew this. And then somehow, over the decades they kind
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Speaker 8: of abandoned that, and they got further and further caught
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Speaker 8: up in their own sort of obsessions about things, and
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Speaker 8: they became so unable to pivot back to where they
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Speaker 8: used to be. They vacated the field for Donald Trump,
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Speaker 8: who on so many issues actually would have been almost
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Speaker 8: like a centrist Democrat thirty years ago.
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Speaker 2: James, the polls were predicting this was going to be
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Speaker 2: a very close result tonight, and it looked like it
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Speaker 2: was going that way for a while. But it looks
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Speaker 2: like it could be quite decisive for Donald Trump. At
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Speaker 2: the moment, Fox News has two hundred and seventy seven
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Speaker 2: electric College votes here only needed the two seventy, but
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Speaker 2: it could get higher than that. There's still four states
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Speaker 2: where the votes are being counted as we speak, so
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Speaker 2: in the end, this might actually not be the knife
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Speaker 2: edge deadlocked result that everyone was predicting.
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, in fact, the fact, Sherry, that we
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Speaker 8: are talking about this result tonight and not saying, oh gosh,
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Speaker 8: we gonna start counting again tomorrow in Pennsylvania and Michigan.
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Speaker 8: You know the fact that we're not even talking about that,
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Speaker 8: and that where you saw all the numbers come in,
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Speaker 8: Harris consistently underperformed everywhere across the map, so that even
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Speaker 8: when you know, they still had huge amounts of absity
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Speaker 8: ballots to count in big cities liked and Pennsylvania or
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Speaker 8: Philadelphia and places like that, you know, they're just mathematically
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Speaker 8: weren't going to be enough in there to get Harris
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Speaker 8: over the line. So that's what we're able to talk
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Speaker 8: about this tonight. The other interesting thing, Sherry, too, is
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Speaker 8: the popular vote, and if Donald Trump can eke out
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Speaker 8: a real proper, you know, fifty point five percent, even
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Speaker 8: when in the popular vote, this will shut down so
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Speaker 8: many critics you say, oh, well these illegitimate. The electoral college,
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Speaker 8: is this threat to democracy? You know, we heard this
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Speaker 8: so many times here from the left that you know,
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Speaker 8: is the electoral college that was a real problem. And
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Speaker 8: you know, it just shows that Kamala Harris failed to perform.
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Speaker 8: But it's no surprise she was a failure to perform
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Speaker 8: because she's never been a great performer in anything she's
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Speaker 8: done politically in the past.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Democrats were relying on the youth vote also
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Speaker 2: the women, but those votes either didn't come out strong
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Speaker 2: enough for her or you know, I mean, particularly when
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Speaker 2: you look at the youth vote, yep, saw it looks
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Speaker 2: like the Democrats won college educated women, but not necessarily
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Speaker 2: young men.
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Speaker 8: Young men absolutely ran a mile from the Harris campaign.
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Speaker 8: And you know, I think the Democrats have to only
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Speaker 8: themselves to blame for this. You know, and this happens
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Speaker 8: every cycle, but it's been happening more and more recently.
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Speaker 8: You know, the Left has become a very feminized party.
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Speaker 8: You can say, you know, well, with a lot of
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Speaker 8: their policies are concerned about abortion rights, reproductive rights, all
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Speaker 8: that sort of thing. But also, you know, the talk
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Speaker 8: about things like toxic masculinity, you know, and the sort
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Speaker 8: of attacks on just sort of the male gender is
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Speaker 8: kind of this sort of problematic sort of idea. And
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Speaker 8: so guys picked this up. They're not stupid, and they
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Speaker 8: feel like they're not welcome, and so you know, they look,
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Speaker 8: what does Donald Trump have to offer. Well, you know,
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Speaker 8: he's got Joe Rogan, Dana White, and you know, he's
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Speaker 8: making them feel welcome. So it's like a no brainer
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Speaker 8: for young men. But also, you know, women also, I
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Speaker 8: think felt fairly patronized by this, this whole campaign of Harris,
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Speaker 8: because it sort of talked to them, talked down to them, like, oh,
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Speaker 8: you know, you need our protection and so on, and
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Speaker 8: I think it was quite patronizing to some of them.
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Speaker 8: We said, you know, actually, there are more important issues
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Speaker 8: I'm not just concerned about, you know, your particular radical
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Speaker 8: interpretation of you know, there's be abortion for all forty
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Speaker 8: weeks of pregnancy, you know, which a lot of we
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Speaker 8: would find quite horrific. But also you know that like women,
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Speaker 8: like everybody else, have to live in the real world
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Speaker 8: with grocery prices and gas prices and food prices and
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Speaker 8: everything else, and they said, you know what, this is
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Speaker 8: not working for us. We need to go back to
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Speaker 8: where things were before.
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Speaker 2: I think, as I just said in a moment ago,
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Speaker 2: the Democrats tried to make this all about personality, all
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Speaker 2: about Donald Trump as a man. That's what they fought against,
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Speaker 2: whereas Trump was fighting on policy issues, and the most
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Speaker 2: critical of which that we saw from the exit polling
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Speaker 2: was the economy. And you know, just like in Australia,
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Speaker 2: the United States is going through a cost of living crisis.
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Speaker 2: There is a sense that the economy that people were
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Speaker 2: better off under Donald Trump when he was last president.
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Speaker 2: They're not happy with how things are going at the moment.
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Speaker 2: You know, surely not all of that is necessarily the
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Speaker 2: fault of Biden. But Donald Trump did lay out strong
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Speaker 2: economic policy plan, and this was one of the main issues,
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Speaker 2: the biggest issue that voters supported Trump over.
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Speaker 1: You know, that's the thing.
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Speaker 8: He articulated plans, He talked about things he wanted to do.
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Speaker 1: He talked about things.
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Speaker 8: That were unpopular, like tariffs with economists and you know,
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Speaker 8: the sort of people who make opinion and things like this.
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Speaker 8: But people understood what he was talking about and something
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Speaker 8: the voter told me in California really struck me. He said,
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Speaker 8: you know, one candidate doesn't tell you anything. The other
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Speaker 8: one tells you what they're going to do or what
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Speaker 8: they want to do. You might not like it, but
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Speaker 8: at least you know where they stand. And I think again,
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Speaker 8: Kambala Harris just left the field vacant. She came out
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Speaker 8: with Beyonce and Cardi B and a bunch of you know,
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Speaker 8: second rate celebrities and you know, big deal, but that
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Speaker 8: doesn't affect anybody's praise of groceries. And it was from
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Speaker 8: the start with Harris, it was a vibe election.
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Speaker 1: It was.
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Speaker 8: It started out with joy and that oh jd Vance
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Speaker 8: is weird and all of these different sort of emotional
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Speaker 8: triggers and pulls, but nothing that actually was practical.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, And how embarrassing was that moment, by the way,
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Speaker 2: when Carti B got up there, she didn't have her
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Speaker 2: speech and everyone had to wait for a full minute
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Speaker 2: or more until she got her speech because she just
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Speaker 2: couldn't read. She couldn't speak without having a teleprompter. So,
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Speaker 2: you know, not even the celebrities work for Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 2: James Murray doing a terrific job, and you've put an
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Speaker 2: old nighter. So thank you very much for joining us.
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Speaker 2: All right for more coverage. Now, let's bring in former
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Speaker 2: Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and former labor minister
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Speaker 2: Graham Richardson. Now, mikeel, I'm going to say it before
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Speaker 2: you do. You were the very first person to call
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Speaker 2: this election, even when the results were through. What time
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Speaker 2: was it when you texted me saying that Trump had
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Speaker 2: won something like one o'clock today?
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Speaker 9: Well, that was well, there was obviously at one forty
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Speaker 9: four in one and to those good folk at Fox
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Speaker 9: News in America, he won all the seven seats. There's
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Speaker 9: not four in doubt. Trump won all seven. He's well
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Speaker 9: into the three.
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Speaker 2: I haven't officially always yet, but I'm just.
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Speaker 9: Oh, okay, all right, well I'm officially I officially declared
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Speaker 9: them at one forty four Trump had won. It was
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Speaker 9: very obviously one and my only you know, as you
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Speaker 9: know I've been saying for the last few weeks, I
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Speaker 9: thought his favorite many hesitation was I didn't know whether
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Speaker 9: the poles had caught up with a shy Trump Voto effect.
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Speaker 9: And what is very clear that none of those poles
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Speaker 9: in America had caught up with a shy Trump voter effect.
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Speaker 9: They still haven't got it right. Whoever runs the news
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Speaker 9: poll in Australia or to open an office over there
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Speaker 9: and start polling America, because these clots that poll in
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Speaker 9: America have no idea. Listen to this, Shari. CNN published
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Speaker 9: a poll two days ago. They had Harris winning by
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Speaker 9: five in Michigan. She lost by six. They're eleven percent out.
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Speaker 9: They had a winning by six in Wisconsin, she lost
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Speaker 9: by four, ten percent out. They all had a winning
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Speaker 9: the popular of age, she's five million behind. And as
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Speaker 9: Shawan Spiser mentioned that this will go down history that
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Speaker 9: the New York Times reported this poll in Iowa by
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Speaker 9: they described her as the revered independent polster Anna Selsa,
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Speaker 9: who had Harris winning by three. She lost by fourteen.
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Speaker 9: So what's the point of this. The point is none
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Speaker 9: of those polls in America have ever been able to
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Speaker 9: work out the shy Trump voter effect, which was why
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Speaker 9: you know seeing in an MSNBC hoodwinked all these people
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Speaker 9: into thinking that Harris was just in front or very competitive,
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Speaker 9: when in fact, as we know now, she was four
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Speaker 9: percent behind.
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Speaker 2: I think this result says so much as well about
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Speaker 2: the attitudes of ordinary people. They don't want to be
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Speaker 2: told what to do by celebrities. They don't want it
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Speaker 2: to be told what to do by the mainstream media outlets,
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Speaker 2: by the political elite. You know, they're going to vote
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Speaker 2: their own way. And it was just such a devastating
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Speaker 2: result for the Democrats from that perspective as well. Now,
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Speaker 2: Graham Richardson, I have to say to you commiserations because
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Speaker 2: you were hoping Kamala would win. How devastated are you tonight?
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Speaker 5: I think shattered would be a reasonable description. No, I
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Speaker 5: think it's I'm very sad about it. I thought it
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Speaker 5: might go the other way. But you know, I'm full
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Speaker 5: of admiration for Trump. It's not easy to lose the presidency,
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Speaker 5: wait four years and come back. It's not easy to do.
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Speaker 5: It takes semina and it takes the kind of of
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Speaker 5: a character that will not ever take a backward step.
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Speaker 5: And you have to admire that. Doesn't matter where you
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Speaker 5: stand in politics, this is all Trump. He's had a
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Speaker 5: brilliant win. And I think if I was a Trump supporter,
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Speaker 5: the sham playing calls would definitely be a popping tonight.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you imagine that a lot of not just Americans,
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Speaker 2: by the way, a lot of Australians would be celebrating
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Speaker 2: watching television tonight as we speak. Now, I bet that
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Speaker 2: your mate Albo will be just as devastated as you are. Rich. Oh,
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Speaker 2: but here he was tonight reacting to the news. Have
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Speaker 2: a look.
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Speaker 10: The relationship between Australia and the United States is an
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Speaker 10: important one for our country. It's a relationship that's important
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Speaker 10: to our national security, to our economic trade, but importantly
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Speaker 10: as well, it's one based upon democratic values and I
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Speaker 10: look forward to working with the incoming presidents.
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Speaker 1: I have done with.
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Speaker 10: President Biden in Australia's national interest.
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Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, there is no question this will be a
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Speaker 2: nightmare scenario for Anthony Albertezi and his government.
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Speaker 9: Well, it's a very bad result for alberin Ezi because
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Speaker 9: it shows that the working middle class that we talk
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Speaker 9: about a lot on sky not intimidated or influenced by
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Speaker 9: the elites. Look at the Voice campaign if you want
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Speaker 9: any more proof of that. They want to They've drained
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Speaker 9: the swamp again in America and all those pop stars
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Speaker 9: like Taylor Swift and Beyonce and Oprah Winfrey and Bruce
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Speaker 9: Springsteen and all these people wallowing around in the swamp.
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Speaker 9: When you're working three jobs and can't make ends meet,
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Speaker 9: you really don't want to be elected to via pop
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Speaker 9: singer or a TV star. You really don't, right, you
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Speaker 9: really don't. That's why Trump's people were working class people, right.
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Speaker 9: Mark gibbans in a different category. But Dana White, Hulk Hogan, Bryson, Deshambeau,
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Speaker 9: Joe Rogan, the people he had behind him far more
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Speaker 9: have far more in common with the working class. But
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Speaker 9: Albow's biggest problem at the minute is Kevin Rudd. So
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Speaker 9: he can't sack Rud, nor will he, but Kevin Rudd
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Speaker 9: or to do the decent thing for his country and
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Speaker 9: resign as ambassador. He knows that Australia's interests are not
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Speaker 9: best served by him being the ambassador, given the shocking
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Speaker 9: and appalling things he said about the incoming United States
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Speaker 9: President Trump should say, Rud should say, listen, I'm going
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Speaker 9: to damage Australia's national standing within America by me staying
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Speaker 9: as ambassador. I'm tendering my resignation. Any decent ambassador, a Peacock,
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Speaker 9: a Beasley or hockey anyone who said that about the
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Speaker 9: US president would resign.
21:30
Speaker 2: But you know what, you know, I agree Rudd's remarks
21:33
Speaker 2: were so deeply offensive, but I do think he has
21:36
Speaker 2: been working very hard to try and build bridges with
21:40
Speaker 2: the Republicans. You know who I think is going to
21:42
Speaker 2: really struggle, bit late Shari Pennie Wog Penny Wong will
21:49
Speaker 2: really struggle because already there was this schism opening up
21:54
Speaker 2: between Australia and the United States on various policy issues,
21:58
Speaker 2: Israel being one of them. All that with our United
22:01
Speaker 2: Nations vote, and that was under a Biden administration. Under
22:05
Speaker 2: a Trump administration, you've got climate change, You've got the
22:08
Speaker 2: Middle East, You've got so many other issues, China for one,
22:13
Speaker 2: where the US is going to be a lot more
22:15
Speaker 2: forward leaning. And you know, how's Penny one going to
22:18
Speaker 2: handle that? She will be truly devastated tonight, which quite
22:23
Speaker 2: delights me. Richo, What do you think about that?
22:25
Speaker 5: Yeah? I think it wouldn't be Penny's best night, that's
22:29
Speaker 5: for sure. But I think Trump worries me in one sense.
22:35
Speaker 5: He's always been an isolationist America first, second, third, fourth, etc.
22:40
Speaker 5: He's always had that view, and I just hope that
22:44
Speaker 5: view is moderated considerably in this term of his presidency,
22:48
Speaker 5: because we need America to not be isolationists. We needed
22:51
Speaker 5: to lead the world. We needed to try and stand
22:55
Speaker 5: up against an ever more confident China. So, as far
23:00
Speaker 5: as I'm concerned, there are some really good points about
23:04
Speaker 5: Trump getting up. I can think of view and aren't
23:07
Speaker 5: so good. But let's look on the right side.
23:11
Speaker 2: What do you think about that point, Michael Kroger, you know,
23:13
Speaker 2: the isolationist leanings, which, by the way, JD. Vance, you know,
23:18
Speaker 2: has worrying signs of I think there are other very
23:21
Speaker 2: strong Republican figures who set the tone for foreign policy
23:26
Speaker 2: in the last administration, Mike Pence, Mike Pompeo, Michael McColl
23:31
Speaker 2: A lot of those figures who really made sure that
23:34
Speaker 2: America still was the leader of the free world when
23:37
Speaker 2: Trump was president in twenty sixteen.
23:41
Speaker 9: Yeah, I do agree with Graham, though I don't like
23:43
Speaker 9: his isolations approached best evidence by his position in the Ukraine.
23:47
Speaker 9: I mean, what is he thinking? I mean, this is
23:49
Speaker 9: another civilizational battle. But look, you know, what do we
23:53
Speaker 9: know about Trump? He doesn't like wars, He likes American
23:57
Speaker 9: military power to be used to say when it's used,
24:01
Speaker 9: which you used against the ISIS leader, which he used
24:04
Speaker 9: against ISIS back in twenty nineteen. I would expect him,
24:08
Speaker 9: as he has said, to get on the phone, to
24:11
Speaker 9: putin very soon and say this war has got to end.
24:14
Speaker 9: And I think he's going to put massive pressure on Iran.
24:18
Speaker 9: He knows that a solution in the Middle East can
24:21
Speaker 9: only happen, can only happen, This whole notion of the
24:24
Speaker 9: two state solution, peace in the Middle East, it can
24:26
Speaker 9: only happen when Iran are not funding the terrorist organizations
24:30
Speaker 9: in Gaza, on the West Bank and in Lebanon. He
24:33
Speaker 9: Trump knows that, and so I think Iran are going
24:36
Speaker 9: to be under great pressure sooner rather than later. I
24:38
Speaker 9: think he's going to be a success on foreign policy.
24:41
Speaker 9: The Abraham Accords, which we've talked about it for were
24:43
Speaker 9: a brilliant step forward, and I think he will probably
24:46
Speaker 9: more than any other present in the last twenty thirty years,
24:48
Speaker 9: He more than anyone as I hope, of bringing some
24:51
Speaker 9: kind of lasting peace to the Middle East.
24:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, let's hope you're right on that point.
24:55
Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, Graham Richardson, thank you for joining me. Tonight.
24:59
Speaker 2: All right, let's bring it now. Sky News contributer Kosher
25:02
Speaker 2: Ghada Kosher, great to see you. Look. Firstly, what's your
25:06
Speaker 2: reaction to this result? There have been some critical states
25:10
Speaker 2: that have flipped in Trump's direction. Were there any surprises
25:13
Speaker 2: for you?
25:16
Speaker 11: I would say, Shari, no surprises in terms of the
25:20
Speaker 11: cautiously optimistic scenario that people were holding. Nobody knew what
25:24
Speaker 11: was going to happen. But there's a bit of a
25:26
Speaker 11: rising tide phenomenon, and once we saw which way the
25:28
Speaker 11: momentum was moving, everything was falling into place.
25:32
Speaker 2: You know. For me, I just say, what a ride.
25:34
Speaker 11: This has been the greatest story arc in American political
25:39
Speaker 11: history if you think about where it started, and it
25:42
Speaker 11: was always going to be a trilogy, knowing Trump with
25:44
Speaker 11: where it started in twenty sixteen, and this outside wrecking
25:47
Speaker 11: ball billionaire businessman came in, defeated the Bush dynasty, the
25:51
Speaker 11: Clinton dynasty, sixteen other handy Republican candidates. One delivered on
25:56
Speaker 11: a lot of his promises, got hit with COVID and
25:59
Speaker 11: a change the election system January sixth, all of that,
26:02
Speaker 11: and then you look at where he was on rock bottom,
26:04
Speaker 11: sort of Arc two of that story, everything he faced,
26:07
Speaker 11: from being kicked off the ballot to getting shot, indictments,
26:11
Speaker 11: being raided, being indicted, convicted, all of that, and now
26:15
Speaker 11: to come and do this thing, which is really is
26:18
Speaker 11: a repudiation. I think of the entire machine against him
26:22
Speaker 11: that was going for that. Because he has swept all
26:24
Speaker 11: seven we think it's not official yet, but he's on
26:27
Speaker 11: track to sweep all seven swing states. We'll see what happens.
26:30
Speaker 11: Taking the majority in the Senate. The House looks quite strong,
26:34
Speaker 11: and possibly even the popular vote, which hasn't happened in
26:37
Speaker 11: twenty years. So that's a huge moment I think in
26:40
Speaker 11: US history to look back on. And in that sense,
26:43
Speaker 11: I guess it is surprising if you look at the
26:46
Speaker 11: whole story arc of the trilogy that has been Trump's
26:48
Speaker 11: political career.
26:49
Speaker 2: I mean, we talk about his political comeback as you
26:51
Speaker 2: just have when you reference the impeachments, all the civil
26:54
Speaker 2: and criminal cases against him, at the political law fair,
26:58
Speaker 2: his near death experience where that gunshot just came centimeters
27:02
Speaker 2: away from his brain. He could easily be dead, but kosher.
27:05
Speaker 2: We also forget that the seventh of January twenty twenty one,
27:10
Speaker 2: half of his party had abandoned him, he was politically toxic,
27:14
Speaker 2: not just his party, but a lot of Americans turned
27:17
Speaker 2: away in horror. So even from that perspective, for him
27:21
Speaker 2: to win back the confidence of the people to be
27:24
Speaker 2: elected in such a decisive results tonight is quite astonishing.
27:29
Speaker 2: What do you think were the most successful tactics that
27:33
Speaker 2: he used in his campaign? Used that made this happen.
27:38
Speaker 11: One hundred percent? So I think it's three things. The message,
27:41
Speaker 11: the messaging, and the mechanics. The message, which you talked
27:44
Speaker 11: about at the top of your show, the policy positions
27:47
Speaker 11: where he always was trusted as somebody who was a
27:50
Speaker 11: strong leader, had a different way of looking at trade
27:53
Speaker 11: and migration, different economic things, culture wars and all of that.
27:56
Speaker 11: So he's always strong on that and he just never
27:59
Speaker 11: relented that, and he really had his finger on the
28:01
Speaker 11: pulse of where the gap was frankly in the Republican
28:04
Speaker 11: establishment as well as the Democrat Party on that issue.
28:07
Speaker 5: Set.
28:07
Speaker 2: The second is the messaging, where.
28:09
Speaker 11: He has always been the king of media, and the
28:12
Speaker 11: breadth and range that he showed where not only traditional media,
28:15
Speaker 11: which is the industry he grew up in, but also
28:19
Speaker 11: embracing podcasts and TikTok and social media and rallies and
28:22
Speaker 11: all of that. He was just able to cut through
28:25
Speaker 11: against very adversarial media and get his message out. Also,
28:28
Speaker 11: I think attracting these endorsements from very high profile, serious
28:32
Speaker 11: people in their fields, from Musk to Rogan to RFK
28:34
Speaker 11: and others helped with that messaging. And then the last
28:37
Speaker 11: thing I think is the mechanics, which is probably the
28:39
Speaker 11: most under reported story Shari, but I think we're going
28:41
Speaker 11: to hear more about that in the analysis to come,
28:44
Speaker 11: which is the ground gain that the Republicans were always
28:47
Speaker 11: behind the eight ball on the Democrats were always so
28:50
Speaker 11: much more superior to that, especially under Obama, and the
28:53
Speaker 11: way he did it kind of under the radar. He
28:55
Speaker 11: outsourced a lot of it to these outside grassroots groups
28:58
Speaker 11: rather than having it all done by the campaign or
29:00
Speaker 11: the RNC, and the way they were able to get
29:03
Speaker 11: Republicans from race early voting and rack up these leads
29:06
Speaker 11: coming into election age, which positioned them so strongly something
29:09
Speaker 11: that had never happened before. I think is probably the
29:11
Speaker 11: untoold secret ingredient of you know what put him over
29:15
Speaker 11: the edge to night.
29:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, so fascinated, all right, So much more to come
29:18
Speaker 2: on this Koshagarta, thank you for joining me tonight our
29:21
Speaker 2: live special coverage tonight, and it is an historic result.
29:25
Speaker 2: It continues after this quick break and Paul Murray will
29:28
Speaker 2: join me live from Washington. So don't go anywhere. Welcome
29:36
Speaker 2: back well for more of our coverage. Now Donald Trump
29:38
Speaker 2: has been well not elected, he has been voted in
29:42
Speaker 2: the forty seventh president of the United States. I'm joined
29:45
Speaker 2: now by Sky News host Paul Murray awake in Washington, DC.
29:49
Speaker 2: Yet another old night of pol. Now. One of the
29:52
Speaker 2: most extraordinary things about tonight that so many people are furious, sober,
29:57
Speaker 2: and I tell you what, I bet you Democrats will
29:59
Speaker 2: be ropable about this. Kamala Harrison didn't bother to appear,
30:04
Speaker 2: not gracious enough to stand up and say to Democrats
30:08
Speaker 2: and to her supporters who'd been waiting there for hours,
30:11
Speaker 2: thank you for your support. You know, if she thinks
30:14
Speaker 2: the results were clear unclear, she could have said that,
30:17
Speaker 2: but she didn't. She went home. She was a no show.
30:20
Speaker 2: What do you think of this, Paul.
30:24
Speaker 12: It's a disgrace and it's an insight into her true personality.
30:28
Speaker 1: You know, the truth is now look, I can sort.
30:31
Speaker 12: Of loosen it up a bit now, because we're sort
30:33
Speaker 12: of out of the news time and we're now into
30:35
Speaker 12: the opinion time, and obviously in about half an hour,
30:36
Speaker 12: I'm really going to let loose. But the truth is
30:41
Speaker 12: that when you lose an election, you can often see
30:44
Speaker 12: the true test of somebody. We saw that Stephen Miles
30:47
Speaker 12: failed that in Queensland, and we saw that Kamala.
30:49
Speaker 1: Harris failed it here.
30:51
Speaker 12: If this election was traveling the way that it was,
30:54
Speaker 12: but in the opposite direction, like at ten o'clock here,
30:59
Speaker 12: which was about two o'clock Sydney time, it was so clear,
31:03
Speaker 12: it was obvious that he was winning, that he had
31:06
Speaker 12: won at that point in time. So I think the
31:09
Speaker 12: networks would have started to rush towards the doors to
31:11
Speaker 12: say that Trump had been defeated, and she's on our
31:13
Speaker 12: way and we'll let the numbers trickle in.
31:15
Speaker 1: But the fact that she didn't look the people.
31:17
Speaker 12: In her eye who believed in her so much that
31:20
Speaker 12: they were willing to dawknock and to debate and to
31:24
Speaker 12: call and to fight with their families and to stand
31:28
Speaker 12: in what can be colder times in Washington was just
31:32
Speaker 12: it was really it was low. I can't come up
31:34
Speaker 12: with a more creative word that doesn't start to move
31:37
Speaker 12: into the ones that I get in trouble for saying.
31:39
Speaker 2: Sometimes on tim And you know, I was flicking all
31:42
Speaker 2: day between Fox News and CNN, and the CNN reporters
31:46
Speaker 2: at first said, up, the Kamala Harris team has gone silent.
31:50
Speaker 2: We haven't heard from them. Then they said, we've got
31:53
Speaker 2: a memo, a memo from her campaign manager. And they're
31:57
Speaker 2: still holding out hope for the blue wave for Wisconsin,
32:01
Speaker 2: Michigan and Pennsylvania. And before long that was clearly heading
32:05
Speaker 2: in Trump's direction. He decisively won Pennsylvania. But the fact
32:10
Speaker 2: that they were still briefing this out, I mean, they
32:12
Speaker 2: accused Trump of not accepting results, but this is where
32:16
Speaker 2: they were heading. Quite late at night, Paul Mario, I
32:19
Speaker 2: want to ask you what you made of Donald Trump's speech.
32:23
Speaker 2: Do you think he said enough to unify what is
32:28
Speaker 2: a divided nation?
32:32
Speaker 12: Look for those I mean, let's be honest, the people
32:35
Speaker 12: that sort of can be one over, or at least
32:37
Speaker 12: after an election, when they let the air out and say, look,
32:40
Speaker 12: all I want is the best for the joint It's
32:43
Speaker 12: not going to be everyone who didn't vote for him.
32:45
Speaker 12: There's obviously going to be Let's say, you know, half
32:47
Speaker 12: three quarters of people who are understandably going to be
32:50
Speaker 12: heard or rage for all the rest of it. Look,
32:52
Speaker 12: he can always do a better job at this stuff.
32:53
Speaker 12: He can always do a better job at sophistry, he
32:55
Speaker 12: can always do a better job at a tighter message.
32:59
Speaker 12: But I mean, think about what this bloke was playing
33:02
Speaker 12: with during this entire campaign, and they talk about the
33:05
Speaker 12: stakes on the future of democracy. This bloke had two options.
33:09
Speaker 12: He was going to become president or he was going
33:11
Speaker 12: to go to jail for the rest of his life.
33:14
Speaker 12: At no point did he look like a man who
33:17
Speaker 12: was playing with that level of stakes. So I think
33:21
Speaker 12: that what people eventually saw in Trump, when at some
33:25
Speaker 12: point in the past year or so they started to
33:28
Speaker 12: make the decision about are we going to go back
33:29
Speaker 12: to this bloke? They saw a guy whose reaction to
33:32
Speaker 12: being shot was to say, fight, fight, fight, whose reaction
33:36
Speaker 12: to being charged with things that, let's be honest, at
33:40
Speaker 12: the very best, in some scenarios, they were a bounce
33:42
Speaker 12: of the ball that always sort of went the other way.
33:45
Speaker 12: Was not to cave, was not to crumble when the
33:48
Speaker 12: media was going wild because there was a joke at
33:51
Speaker 12: a rally, he found a way just to keep pushing
33:54
Speaker 12: on and if he's willing to do that for himself,
33:56
Speaker 12: I think the most important thing that he said in
33:57
Speaker 12: his speech tonight was that I'm going to re breath
34:00
Speaker 12: that I have. I will fight for you, and we
34:03
Speaker 12: know how hard he can for himself, and if he's
34:05
Speaker 12: promising to do that for the entire country. Look, the
34:09
Speaker 12: word unity mightn't be there, but the message was pretty clear,
34:11
Speaker 12: which is I'm taking care of you now.
34:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he did have that line about he wants
34:16
Speaker 2: to heal the nation now as well. Paul, I think
34:20
Speaker 2: another very big outcome of this election is that, really,
34:23
Speaker 2: pretty much since Barack Obama, and it's reflected in Australia
34:27
Speaker 2: as well, we've seen this progressive wave of identity politics,
34:31
Speaker 2: you know, really going very woke. The Democratic Party used
34:36
Speaker 2: to be more mainstream. Do you think this result, maybe
34:41
Speaker 2: this has been too hopeful, will kill off some of
34:45
Speaker 2: those more radical ends of the woke agenda that the
34:48
Speaker 2: Democrats were pushing on America?
34:53
Speaker 12: Well, see don't forget unlike Australia where we've got say
34:57
Speaker 12: the Greens or One Nation or.
35:00
Speaker 1: Or Victorian Socialists or whatever it happens to be.
35:02
Speaker 12: There's lots of different places that you can put your
35:04
Speaker 12: vote depending on where you are on the spectrum. When
35:07
Speaker 12: essentially this is team red, team Blue, it means that
35:10
Speaker 12: the entire team is at times defined by the furthest
35:15
Speaker 12: parts of their coalitions.
35:17
Speaker 1: Now, if they want to win again, you've got to.
35:21
Speaker 12: Come back to some form of the center, or at
35:23
Speaker 12: least come back from the perception about how hard left.
35:26
Speaker 1: You're going to go. But that said, and again, let's
35:28
Speaker 1: not talk about the.
35:30
Speaker 12: Next Grand Final while this one is still echoing through
35:34
Speaker 12: the streets. But there are policies the Democrats have that
35:37
Speaker 12: are wildly popular, like many care for all. There are
35:41
Speaker 12: policies that are wildly needed in the country, like mental
35:44
Speaker 12: health care, like dental care. Now these things, because of
35:47
Speaker 12: the size of spending, will be referred to as lefty.
35:51
Speaker 12: But the stuff that normal people reject is when we
35:54
Speaker 12: have to go through sort of the performance that much
35:59
Speaker 12: of the modern left is involved with. So I think, whoever,
36:01
Speaker 12: the next the next most successful senior Democrat is going
36:05
Speaker 12: to be somebody who doesn't just pretend to be a
36:07
Speaker 12: little more normal. They're going to actually have to be
36:09
Speaker 12: a little bit more normal. And I think that economic populism,
36:14
Speaker 12: which is being championed by Trump, I think it'll be
36:17
Speaker 12: echoed by the Democrats into the future. But if they
36:20
Speaker 12: want to keep banging on about you know, pronouns and
36:23
Speaker 12: pretending that you know, Columbus Day isn't a public holiday
36:27
Speaker 12: and all of this stuff will then good luck, You're
36:29
Speaker 12: same thing again.
36:30
Speaker 1: In four years.
36:30
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it was even more extreme than that
36:32
Speaker 2: the ads that the Republicans were running, which were just
36:35
Speaker 2: Kamala Harrison our own words. We're talking about tax fair
36:38
Speaker 2: funded gender transitioning for prison inmates. I mean, you know,
36:42
Speaker 2: it's just bizarre stuff. All right, Pol Murray, we'll see
36:44
Speaker 2: you back here at nine o'clock for more, and Paul
36:47
Speaker 2: will certainly fire out, fire up, I should say, stick
36:51
Speaker 2: with us on this extraordinary night. I'll be back after
36:53
Speaker 2: the break. Welcome back. Well, if you're just joining us now,
37:03
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is the new president of the United States,
37:06
Speaker 2: and this is where the figures are looking. Donald Trump,
37:09
Speaker 2: according to Fox News's latest results, is sitting on two
37:13
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy seven of the Electoral College votes, Kamala
37:16
Speaker 2: Harris at two twenty six. Trump, of course needed two
37:19
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy to win. There are still four states
37:24
Speaker 2: that have them in cold and in terms of the
37:26
Speaker 2: popular vote, Trump has won that as well with fifty
37:29
Speaker 2: one point two percent. All right, for more analysis. Now,
37:32
Speaker 2: let's bring in the Hudson Institute Senior Fellow John Lee
37:36
Speaker 2: and the United States Center Senior Fellow Stephen Loosely. Welcome
37:40
Speaker 2: to you both. Stephen, first, I want to get your
37:44
Speaker 2: reaction to this result tonight. Why do you think this
37:48
Speaker 2: has been a greater than expected loss for the Democratic Party.
37:55
Speaker 13: I should begin by saying, cherry On no longer with
37:58
Speaker 13: the US study set apology.
38:01
Speaker 2: Stephen, that.
38:04
Speaker 13: Is fine. I think the Democrats lost the kitchen table issues.
38:10
Speaker 13: If you had to point to basic issues of concern
38:14
Speaker 13: to average Americans, you'd begin, I think with the cost
38:18
Speaker 13: of living. I think grocery store prices had more impact
38:23
Speaker 13: than anything that the Federal Reserve was doing. I think
38:27
Speaker 13: the next issue would have been border security, where It's
38:31
Speaker 13: true the Biden administration had proposed a bipartisan measure in
38:35
Speaker 13: the US Senate, which Donald Trump takt p date, but
38:39
Speaker 13: that only came over the last few months, and really
38:42
Speaker 13: this issue has been allowed to fester in American society
38:47
Speaker 13: and in American politics for some time. In the third issue,
38:51
Speaker 13: the FBI says the crime rate in the United States
38:53
Speaker 13: is dropping, but that wasn't how it was perceived by
38:57
Speaker 13: lots of ordinary people in in American cities. So, if
39:02
Speaker 13: you ask me, I think the Democrats lost the kitchen
39:05
Speaker 13: table issues on which Donald Trump and the Republican campaign
39:10
Speaker 13: was able to capitalize.
39:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're right. Crime has just taken over so
39:14
Speaker 2: many major cities like San Francisco, John In terms of
39:18
Speaker 2: the impact of a Trump presidency on Australia and on
39:23
Speaker 2: foreign policy, how do you see this, Well.
39:26
Speaker 14: Let's put aside the personality clashes. The Trump cabinet will
39:30
Speaker 14: find it quite difficult from personality point of view to
39:33
Speaker 14: deal with some of the urban easy people. Let's put
39:35
Speaker 14: that aside. When Trump gets in, he'll conduct an audit
39:38
Speaker 14: of allies. He'll look at how much are they spending
39:41
Speaker 14: on defense, what are they spending it on, when are
39:44
Speaker 14: they spending it, and what are they prepared to commit to. Now,
39:47
Speaker 14: I've spent a lot of time in DC. I spent
39:50
Speaker 14: quite a bit of time speaking to potential Trump cabinet
39:52
Speaker 14: nominees in the national security space, and I can tell
39:55
Speaker 14: you they are very well aware that in their view
39:58
Speaker 14: Australia has not is not doing and spending what it's
40:03
Speaker 14: brought to. Now Trump will come in. He takes the
40:07
Speaker 14: line of seriously, he's not an isolation list. He wants
40:10
Speaker 14: allies to pull their weight and Australia is not one
40:15
Speaker 14: of these allies that he thinks at the top of
40:17
Speaker 14: the list when it comes to pulling our weight. So
40:19
Speaker 14: that could be a problem for the oben Easy government.
40:22
Speaker 2: And that's going to be another exciting thing, of course
40:24
Speaker 2: in the days and weeks ahead, will be who Trump
40:27
Speaker 2: picks for some of the key positions. He's already floated
40:31
Speaker 2: that Elon Musk is going to have some sort of
40:33
Speaker 2: role in his administration, at least as part of his agenda. Stephen,
40:39
Speaker 2: how do you think that Albanzi government, any alber Easy
40:42
Speaker 2: personally also Penny Wang will have to try and respond
40:46
Speaker 2: to this new administration.
40:49
Speaker 13: Well, it's not a matter of a standing start the
40:52
Speaker 13: Australian Embassy in Washington for a very long period of time.
40:57
Speaker 13: I'm thinking Andrew Peacock, Kim Beasley right, true to Arthur
41:00
Speaker 13: Sinnadinas and Kevin Rudd, They've got very strong links both
41:05
Speaker 13: in the administration, in State, the Pentagon and the like,
41:09
Speaker 13: and perhaps even more significantly in the United States Congress.
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Speaker 13: Now I'm just back recently from the Australian American Leadership
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Speaker 13: Dialogue in Honolulu. Nonpartisan, strong links with the United States military,
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Speaker 13: good representation from a variety of policy players in Australia.
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Speaker 13: There is a considerable consensus, particularly within the US Congress,
41:35
Speaker 13: that Australia is a very reliable ally, is a contributor,
41:41
Speaker 13: and that even with Vice President Elect Vance just recently
41:44
Speaker 13: saying UCAS is a good idea, there is a fair
41:48
Speaker 13: amount of sentiment that the alliance relationship with Australia is
41:53
Speaker 13: more than worthwhile. Donald Trump will also look John John's
41:57
Speaker 13: right to look at defense spending, will also look at
42:00
Speaker 13: trade relations, and Australia of course runs a trade deficit
42:04
Speaker 13: with the United States, and that has had an impact
42:07
Speaker 13: upon Donald Trump before, which has been positive for Australia.
42:10
Speaker 13: So there's a number of things to weigh up there.
42:13
Speaker 13: I am not as pessimistic as some. I think a
42:16
Speaker 13: lot of spade work's already been done, a lot more
42:19
Speaker 13: needs to be done, and we really have to build
42:23
Speaker 13: some bridges. But if people like Mike Pompeio, for example,
42:26
Speaker 13: a former Secretary of State, would have come into a
42:29
Speaker 13: second Trump administration and defense I think that would be
42:32
Speaker 13: a relatively smooth transition.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that would be an excellent appointment.
42:37
Speaker 2: He's a strong friend of Australia. I've interviewed him before twice,
42:41
Speaker 2: but he's very strong on national security issues as well. John,
42:45
Speaker 2: I just want to turn to the historic nature of
42:47
Speaker 2: this result, and Trump becomes only the second president in
42:51
Speaker 2: United States history to serve non consecutive terms. The first
42:56
Speaker 2: was Grover Cleveland. He did two stints in the White
42:58
Speaker 2: House from eighteen eight until eighteen eighty nine and then
43:02
Speaker 2: eighty ninety three until eighteen ninety seven. So this is
43:06
Speaker 2: quite extraordinary, and in a sense, he probably was only
43:11
Speaker 2: voted out in twenty twenty because of his poor handling
43:15
Speaker 2: of the pandemic.
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Speaker 14: Well, what this tells me, I'm not a historian in
43:19
Speaker 14: American politics, but what this tells me is that Trump
43:22
Speaker 14: might have lost in twenty twenty, but the issues that
43:25
Speaker 14: Trump raised, trade issues, defence issues, societal issues, law and
43:31
Speaker 14: crime issues, those issues haven't gone away, and they didn't
43:34
Speaker 14: go away Underbiden. In fact, they got worse Underbiden, So
43:38
Speaker 14: I'm not at all surprised that Trump has won this election.
43:41
Speaker 14: He ran on issues that people cared about. He didn't
43:44
Speaker 14: run on identity, he didn't run on some sort of
43:49
Speaker 14: social elite type issue. He ran on the sorts of
43:52
Speaker 14: things that white men, Hispanics, women, African Americans actually cared about.
43:58
Speaker 14: So this result doesn't surprise me at all.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Stephen, there are lessons from Australia to be
44:04
Speaker 2: learned from this as well, because economy was such a
44:08
Speaker 2: vote changer in this election, and we saw that in
44:11
Speaker 2: the exit polls. You know, this should be cause for
44:14
Speaker 2: concern for the Labor government here in Australia.
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Speaker 13: Oh, it's a concern for governments in all Western democracies.
44:20
Speaker 13: And i'd also underline Shari that immigration constantly recurs in
44:28
Speaker 13: Western elections. We saw it most recently in the UK,
44:31
Speaker 13: for example. It's certainly been an issue in this American election.
44:37
Speaker 13: So there are lessons to be learned for people in
44:40
Speaker 13: active politics in Western democracies everywhere. I make this point
44:46
Speaker 13: Donald Trump, I'm certainly no fan of the gentleman, but
44:51
Speaker 13: his resilience has been extraordinary. It is astonishingly difficult to
44:57
Speaker 13: come back to the White House and non consecut your terms.
45:00
Speaker 13: Grover Cleveland did it in the eighteen nineties mainly because
45:05
Speaker 13: of a very poor performance by Republican administrations. You can
45:09
Speaker 13: see that in this win by Donald Trump. So what
45:13
Speaker 13: he's powered through would have filled many another man or
45:18
Speaker 13: woman in the political game. And I think that's worth acknowledging.
45:23
Speaker 2: No, indeed it is. Stephen Looseley, John Lee. Great to
45:27
Speaker 2: have you both on the show, and don't go anywhere,
45:29
Speaker 2: because after the break we're going to look at just
45:31
Speaker 2: how the stock markets have reacted to this news. Aaron
45:34
Speaker 2: Patrick would join me more of our coverage on this
45:38
Speaker 2: historic night. Welcome back, and if you're just tuning in,
45:47
Speaker 2: Donald Trump will be the forty seventh president of the
45:50
Speaker 2: United States of America. This is an historic night. The
45:54
Speaker 2: results in the end were decisive. It wasn't the close,
45:58
Speaker 2: potentially drawn out, but results that we had been told
46:03
Speaker 2: to expect. We were told the polls were very close,
46:06
Speaker 2: that this was deadlocked. That's not the case. You can
46:08
Speaker 2: see the latest figures on the screen now, Donald Trump
46:11
Speaker 2: has one According to Fox News, he's projected to win
46:14
Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy seven of the Electro College votes.
46:17
Speaker 2: We have it a bit higher at two eighty, but
46:20
Speaker 2: we'll see how that changes over the next few days.
46:23
Speaker 2: Joining me now, contributor to the Nightly Aaron Patrick. Now, Aaron,
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Speaker 2: I want to start by speaking to you about the
46:30
Speaker 2: reaction in the stock markets and the cryptocurrencies to the news.
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Speaker 2: This was very well received when it became clear that
46:38
Speaker 2: Trump was going to be the president, not Kamala Harris
46:41
Speaker 2: Well Schary.
46:42
Speaker 15: There's been been quite strong rally in the futures training
46:46
Speaker 15: in chairs. Because it's nightime, of course, the US share
46:49
Speaker 15: markets aren't open, but they indicate that when the share
46:52
Speaker 15: market's do open tomorrow, we expect a pretty strong rally
46:55
Speaker 15: of approximately one to one and a half percent across
46:58
Speaker 15: the board, particularly in stocks which are correlated to strong
47:03
Speaker 15: economic performance. There was a sell off in bonds, indicating
47:08
Speaker 15: that some investors do expect inflationary pressures. I guess as
47:15
Speaker 15: the Trump administration it goes through and delivers big.
47:18
Speaker 2: Tax cuts, and cryptocurrencies as well did very well they did.
47:23
Speaker 15: Bitcoin is now very close to its all record high
47:26
Speaker 15: of seventy five thousand US dollars. A few years ago,
47:31
Speaker 15: it was down at sixteen thousand dollars, and that's because
47:35
Speaker 15: Donald Trump has said that he wants to make America
47:38
Speaker 15: the crypto capital of the world.
47:40
Speaker 2: It's interesting how during the campaign, Wall Street really swung
47:44
Speaker 2: in behind Donald Trump, believing that he would be better
47:48
Speaker 2: for the economy. This was reflected in things like the
47:52
Speaker 2: All In podcast, very popular in the United States. I mean,
47:56
Speaker 2: the only concern really was about his policy of in
48:00
Speaker 2: high tariffs, which could lead to higher taxes on all
48:05
Speaker 2: the higher cost of actual products and goods. But really
48:08
Speaker 2: Wall Street did swing in behind him.
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Speaker 15: That tooksually one of the really interesting and slightly counterintuitive
48:15
Speaker 15: factors of Trump's whole victory, which is Wall Street generally
48:19
Speaker 15: hates tariffs and is very much for free trade. Donald
48:23
Speaker 15: Trump clearly has promised basically a pretty big global trade war.
48:28
Speaker 15: But I think Wall Street was just absolutely convinced that
48:30
Speaker 15: he would be good for business and he's going to
48:33
Speaker 15: push pipelines through, he's going to lower personal taxes, He's
48:38
Speaker 15: basically going to be He's going to do the things
48:42
Speaker 15: that Republicans really like, which is good for business.
48:45
Speaker 2: Look, I want to ask you about this election also,
48:48
Speaker 2: you know, brought in the culture was it was mostly
48:51
Speaker 2: about the economy and immigration, the immigration crisis, the border,
48:55
Speaker 2: et cetera. But it did bring in the Culture Wars,
48:58
Speaker 2: and it was a thorough reject of the most woke,
49:02
Speaker 2: left leaning instincts of the Democrat Party. What do you
49:05
Speaker 2: think about that?
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Speaker 15: Look to me, to my mind, the culture Wars where
49:10
Speaker 15: I put more emphasis on the importance of the culture
49:13
Speaker 15: Wars than the economy. EVENO a lot of Americans are
49:17
Speaker 15: pretty pessimistic about where the country's going. It's actually the
49:20
Speaker 15: American economy at the moment is the envy of the world.
49:23
Speaker 15: It's just a lot of Americans don't feel that way.
49:25
Speaker 15: I think they feel that the country's heading in the
49:28
Speaker 15: wrong direction, in part because of the rise of this
49:32
Speaker 15: phenomenon that we've seen, which are part of the culture wars, diversity,
49:35
Speaker 15: equity inclusion, transgender rights, views, defund the police. And I
49:41
Speaker 15: know you've been talking about these issues for many years.
49:44
Speaker 15: And I remember a couple of years ago you spoke
49:46
Speaker 15: about there was this push to get rid of the
49:49
Speaker 15: words breastfeeding, and I think what.
49:52
Speaker 2: You're seeing now replace it with chest feeding.
49:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think.
49:55
Speaker 15: Now you're seeing sort of the political consequences a backlash
49:59
Speaker 15: towards that towards what's been happening in the US and
50:03
Speaker 15: around the world. So to me, this is sort of
50:07
Speaker 15: this is a sign that politics is fundamentally shifting and
50:11
Speaker 15: culture is perhaps becoming a bigger determinant of how you
50:14
Speaker 15: vote then your views on how the economy should be structured.
50:19
Speaker 2: A lot of the themes that were major in the
50:21
Speaker 2: US election, with the exception of the Mexican border, but
50:26
Speaker 2: the other themes really resonate in Australia as well and
50:29
Speaker 2: will be issues for the Albanezi government at the next election.
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Speaker 15: To my mind, this is a huge philip for Peter Dutton.
50:37
Speaker 15: I think Peter Dutton has struck a lot of similar
50:41
Speaker 15: themes to what Trump has done, mostly not to sort
50:44
Speaker 15: of the extent that you've seen over there, but you know,
50:48
Speaker 15: Peter Dutton's raising concern about say, competition from immigrants, housing,
50:54
Speaker 15: national security issues. I think this is good news for Duntin.
50:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is indeed. Aaron Patrick, we'll keep reading your
51:01
Speaker 2: work in the nightly. Thank you for joining us, and
51:04
Speaker 2: thank you everyone at home for joining us on this
51:06
Speaker 2: amazing night. It has been an exciting day of results
51:10
Speaker 2: and to continue this coverage live from Washington, d C.
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Speaker 2: Here's Paul Murray