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Ranking Every Solid State Records Album from 2004 · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: Go back up, dag Yeah, Up, Day's.
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  Speaker 2: Seven.
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  Speaker 3: Today we are joined by none other than Joe Calderone
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  Speaker 3: from light Worker. Uh, Joe, we've had you on the
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  Speaker 3: podcast to talk about light Worker a number of times,
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  Speaker 3: but we are not here to bring you on to
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  Speaker 3: talk about light Worker. This time. We're actually going to
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  Speaker 3: talk about bands that are half the talent as light Worker,
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  Speaker 3: probably but probably five times more successful.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, I'm stoked.
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  Speaker 3: There's probably only like one band on this list of
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  Speaker 3: bands that we're going to talk about today that might
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  Speaker 3: be like in the vein of success of light Worker,
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  Speaker 3: but they are nowhere even near the talent of light Worker.
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  Speaker 3: But the rest of these bands pretty talented, but nowhere
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  Speaker 3: near as talented as light Worker. But you know, I
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  Speaker 3: just I just needed to, you know, you know, gass
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  Speaker 3: you up a little bit this this evening.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, how are you doing today, Joe? How's life?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good, man, I'm good. You know. Just the sun
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  Speaker 2: is shining, I'm breathing. That's a that's a good start.
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  Speaker 2: So there you go, there we go, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean? So how about you guys.
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  Speaker 3: We're like we're like two weeks after the election and
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  Speaker 3: you're still You're still here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That wasn't meant to be a mass deportation joke. That
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  Speaker 3: was just meant wow, I'm really I'm like, I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Realizing, Oh wait, I shouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: I shouldn't have said that now.
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  Speaker 2: But no, that best joke of the year, hands down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah right, no, I yeah, that that was the best
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  Speaker 2: roast I've heard all year. I love it.
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  Speaker 3: With all the like mass deportation stuff like being talked
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  Speaker 3: about right now. Do you remember in Trump's first campaign
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  Speaker 3: he made some sort of comment about like do you
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  Speaker 3: want food like taco trucks on every street corner in America?
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  Speaker 3: And I remember everybody else like hearing that and being like,
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  Speaker 3: uh yeah, I would love a taco truck on every
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  Speaker 3: street corner in America, Like why why are you threatening
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  Speaker 3: something with? Like that's like threatening everybody with like birthday
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  Speaker 3: cake every day, Like what are you even trying to
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  Speaker 3: do here? I don't like birthday cakes, so well I'm
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  Speaker 3: not a big birthday cake fan, but it was.
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  Speaker 1: A birthday cake truck on every corner, I'd say, hell, no,
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  Speaker 1: that's not the America that I want.
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  Speaker 3: That's you like America that ain't American dream.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I mean you you want you want
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  Speaker 2: a little brown in your American.
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  Speaker 1: I want a lot of brown in my American.
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  Speaker 2: There you go. Hell yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's why we brought you on, Joe. We need
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  Speaker 3: It's about to about to be the Brown Sheet Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 3: All right, enough chit chatting, this is what we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: do today. Uh you all you all listeners may uh
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  Speaker 3: you may be the kind of people where you're on
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  Speaker 3: the internet enough to know that there's a whole thing
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  Speaker 3: now of people that will do these s tier ranking lists.
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  Speaker 3: So basically it's just like this ranking list from like
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  Speaker 3: F D all the way up to A and even
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  Speaker 3: above A is S tire, which is like the ungodly
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  Speaker 3: like this is the best thing ever. Okay, so as
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  Speaker 3: being like the best thing ever to like D or
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  Speaker 3: F being like some of the worst things you've ever
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  Speaker 3: heard in your life. Okay, So we're gonna do a
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  Speaker 3: ranking of that, but specifically of two thousand and four
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  Speaker 3: Solid State albums. Okay, so the albums that were released
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  Speaker 3: in the year of two thousand and four, specifically on
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  Speaker 3: Solid State records. Okay, So I did a little research.
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  Speaker 3: There were twenty one albums in total released on Tooth
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  Speaker 3: and Nail Records, eight of which were on like the
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  Speaker 3: sub label solid State. Okay, so we're gonna do specifically
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  Speaker 3: the Solid State albums. Maybe at some other point we
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  Speaker 3: could do the other what I'm trying to do math
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  Speaker 3: in my head, we could do the other thirteen Tooth
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  Speaker 3: and Nail Records for two thousand and four, But I
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  Speaker 3: think this would be a great way to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: reminisce about probably one of the better years at least
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  Speaker 3: of Solid State Records, and so certainly, yeah, certainly one
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  Speaker 3: of their most profitable years as a whole record they
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  Speaker 3: both certainly through solid State, probably one of the most
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  Speaker 3: profitable years, and so I think this is just like
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  Speaker 3: an easy way to reminisce about a specific year of
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  Speaker 3: some of the most important music in our lives. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I would imagine we're probably gonna do this
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  Speaker 3: for like maybe two thousand and six at some point,
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  Speaker 3: because two thousand and six seems like a pretty seminal
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  Speaker 3: year for the level as well.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like next year we're gonna have to do
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  Speaker 1: twenty Well, do two thousand and five, because that'll be
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  Speaker 1: the twenty year.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's the twenty Yeah, so we could do two
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  Speaker 3: thousand and five, two thousand and six, like kind of
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  Speaker 3: those years seem like very seminal years for the label,
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  Speaker 3: and we could do both like tooth and Nail and
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  Speaker 3: Solid State ones. But anyway, it feels like this is
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  Speaker 3: like a thing that we could do a number of times,
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  Speaker 3: not just this one time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is a great year. Just the early
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  Speaker 2: two thousands up until the mid two thousands, I think
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  Speaker 2: we're just the it. They just didn't miss, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they did miss and clearly, like I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they didn't even miss like financially. I mean, it was
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  Speaker 3: just like it was some of their Yeah, most probably
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  Speaker 3: there's the reamon why, like you know, Brian Brandon Eble
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  Speaker 3: was able to pay off his debt because of it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean they even got bought out because
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  Speaker 1: of two thousand and four more than likely. I can't
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  Speaker 1: remember what the company was was it was it Atlantic?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, ym, I I think I bought them up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I think they regained control at some point here,
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  Speaker 1: didn't they.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well probably I think was that twenty and thirteen
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  Speaker 3: or fourteen Brandon was able to basically buy back most
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  Speaker 3: of the catalog, I think something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 3: So they were only with EMI for about maybe ten years,
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  Speaker 3: maybe a little less than ten years, something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, then they went like completely independent, and which is uh,
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  Speaker 2: which is awesome because it's you know, that way they're
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  Speaker 2: not answering to you know, some exec that doesn't really
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  Speaker 2: even know what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: So true.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So anyway, two thousand and four, there are eight albums
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  Speaker 3: from Solid State Records this year, and again I think
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  Speaker 3: it's one of the better years of Solid State Records
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  Speaker 3: in particular. So I'm gonna read through the records and
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  Speaker 3: then we're gonna go one by one each one. We're
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  Speaker 3: going to then listen to each album or not like
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  Speaker 3: the entire album, but like just like a one minute
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  Speaker 3: clip of each album. And then what we're gonna do
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  Speaker 3: is we're gonna discuss whether we thought the record back
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  Speaker 3: then even slapped, so do we think that we think
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  Speaker 3: this was a really good album then, And then we're
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  Speaker 3: also going to talk about does it hold up for
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  Speaker 3: the test of time, so you know it, does this
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  Speaker 3: album still slap now? And then we'll give a ranking
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  Speaker 3: and go from there. So we'll do that with each
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  Speaker 3: one of these albums, and and we'll see if any
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  Speaker 3: S tiers end up making the list, we'll see if
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  Speaker 3: there's any D tiers that make up this list, well,
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  Speaker 3: we'll see. So here are the albums of two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and four under Solid State Records. And so the very
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  Speaker 3: first one that came so the first one of the
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  Speaker 3: year that came out was Haste the Days Burning Bridges,
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  Speaker 3: starting off pretty strong. Oh yeah. So the second one
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  Speaker 3: came out a few weeks later by Officer Negative, the
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  Speaker 3: Death Campaign Project, and that was that came out in
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  Speaker 3: kind of early part of two thousand and four. And
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  Speaker 3: so yeah, Officer Negative is a band that I did
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  Speaker 3: not really listen to much when I was a tooth
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  Speaker 3: and Nail kid, but came out in two thousand and four.
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  Speaker 3: I honestly, I don't even really remember it coming out.
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  Speaker 3: So a few weeks later from that, Dead Poetic New
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  Speaker 3: Medicines came out on Solid State. That actually surprises me
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  Speaker 3: a little bit that that wasn't a tooth and Nail band,
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  Speaker 3: but they were specifically and only on solid State. That
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  Speaker 3: part kind of surprises me. So Dead Poetics New Medicines.
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  Speaker 3: The next one came out like a month or so later,
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  Speaker 3: Demon Hunters Summer of Darkness. Then the next one, probably
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  Speaker 3: the most famous one in this group of two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and four albums under os they're only chasing safety. We'll
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  Speaker 3: find out where that one ends up and what else
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  Speaker 3: we got here the next one. Actually I didn't realize
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  Speaker 3: that this will actually was specifically released on Solid State Records,
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  Speaker 3: But a number of months later, in October of two
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  Speaker 3: thousand and four, Show Brad's No, Sir, Nihilism Is Not
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  Speaker 3: Practical came out. About a few weeks later, He Is
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  Speaker 3: Legend came out with I Am Hollywood, and then the
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  Speaker 3: last one that came out as an album is The Chariots.
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  Speaker 3: Everything is alive, everything is breathing, nothing is dead, and
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  Speaker 3: nothing is bleeding. There are actually well, actually no, I
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  Speaker 3: take that back, because that looks like it's tooth and Nail.
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  Speaker 3: So anyway, that rounds out the Tooth and Nay or
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  Speaker 3: the Solid State albums from two thousand and four. So
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  Speaker 3: which one do you think we should Should we just
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  Speaker 3: go in the chronological order?
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  Speaker 1: Should we do that's chronological order?
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  Speaker 2: I like that idea, me too.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do that. Okay, so we're gonna start back up
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  Speaker 3: with Haste the Day's Burning Bridges? Then what, like, is
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  Speaker 3: there a song off of this album, guys that we
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  Speaker 3: maybe should listen to just to kind of get us.
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  Speaker 3: I've got my vote, but I'd love to hear you
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  Speaker 3: guys's idea around a song that we should listen to.
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  Speaker 1: I think everyone knows the closest thing to closure, so
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  Speaker 1: we probably shouldn't do that one.
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  Speaker 3: That was gonna be my vote. So closest thing to closure.
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  Speaker 1: That would be. I think it's the strongest song. But
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  Speaker 1: is that the song that we want everyone to listen to?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, Joe, what do you think?
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  Speaker 2: I actually think Blue forty two would be.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I would say.
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  Speaker 2: Because not only are we beginning the list, but it's
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  Speaker 2: also the first track off of the record, and it's
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  Speaker 2: you know, at the first release of that year two
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  Speaker 2: and I would say it's arguably one of the more
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  Speaker 2: well known songs from the earlier years with Jimmy on vocals.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: Agree.
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  Speaker 3: And also even though closest Thing the Closure probably was
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  Speaker 3: their lead single, blue forty two is the song that
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  Speaker 3: probably gets their fans the most checked during their live sets. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, let's do Blue forty two. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: about to click on it on YouTube. I know for listeners,
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  Speaker 3: you're probably like waiting, what's going on here? We're not
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  Speaker 3: able to like share our audio. So you got it
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  Speaker 3: pulled up, Joey, I do.
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 3: Colling, you got it pulled up?
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  Speaker 1: Three two one, go.
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  Speaker 3: Nikes, I forget. It starts out like this.
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  Speaker 2: It's such an epic intro. It's just like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like I just imagine like he's still not out on
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  Speaker 2: stage yet, and then they do this hit and then
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  Speaker 2: he comes out. He's like, what's up, blah blah blah,
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  Speaker 2: and then you know, like he starts getting the pick
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  Speaker 2: going and everything, Like it just takes me back immediately.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like it has such a cool build
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  Speaker 1: up and everything. You know, it's it's the kind of
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  Speaker 1: one that is going to make you feel ainsty and ragey,
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  Speaker 1: like two thousand and four should be that that scream.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, we just we have to love it, right,
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  Speaker 1: It's it's one of the most unique, so iconic. It's uh.
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  Speaker 1: I think he does it like completely differently than anyone else.
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  Speaker 1: Like I actually think that he's like screaming from like
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  Speaker 1: the back end of his throat instead of like out
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  Speaker 1: the front.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's actually like basically flapping his vocal cords
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  Speaker 1: together from the behind.
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  Speaker 3: I's gotta be ruined in his vocal cords, right, wow.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's like it's it's it's like for him
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  Speaker 1: back here, you know.
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  Speaker 2: But it sounds so sick, and it sounds I think
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  Speaker 2: would always kind of uh yeah, made me intrigued by him.
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  Speaker 2: And also I would say there's three vocalists from I
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  Speaker 2: guess this era that I thought kind of sat it
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  Speaker 2: almost evil, and I would say, uh, definitely Jimmy, Ryan,
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  Speaker 2: Peter Espavole from X Tole also had that really high
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  Speaker 2: pitched kind of thing, and then obviously Dan from Zayo.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say Dan is the one that yeah,
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  Speaker 1: especially especially Dan and Jimmy, Like I agree with Peter
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  Speaker 1: as well, but like, holy buckets, like they terrified me
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  Speaker 1: when I was a kid, Like I thought I was
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  Speaker 1: doing something wrong by listening.
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  Speaker 2: To Oh absolutely, I remember, yeah exactly, and but it's
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  Speaker 2: it's uh, I remember listening to this stuff and I
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  Speaker 2: was just like I felt like I was getting away
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  Speaker 2: with something. You know.
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  Speaker 1: My my mom heard, Yeah, I hated Day song once
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  Speaker 1: really early on, probably like two thousand, probably late two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and four, two thousand and five maybe, and uh.
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  Speaker 3: So probably one of the songs from this album.
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  Speaker 1: It was one of the songs from this album. It's
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  Speaker 1: probably closest thing to closure. And I thought she was
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  Speaker 1: going to tear my head off. I'm not even joking.
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  Speaker 1: I thought she was gonna murder me.
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  Speaker 3: Which I like, if that, you know, got films like
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  Speaker 3: that would been great for a great music video for
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  Speaker 3: Hasty to Day. It absolutely like a decapitation of you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I always say the music video.
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  Speaker 2: I always thought the music videos from back in this
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  Speaker 2: era were pretty interesting, uh for like to put it
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  Speaker 2: for like all of the uh you know kind of more,
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  Speaker 2: I guess like Trustkill Record, Solid State, you know, Ferret
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  Speaker 2: because they were so low budget, but like it was
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  Speaker 2: such a big deal when yeah, it would you know,
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  Speaker 2: release these things. And I remember when they dropped one
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  Speaker 2: for American Love. I'm like, I don't even know what's
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  Speaker 2: going on, but it's like back then that I'm must
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  Speaker 2: if you saw them in concert, that was the only
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  Speaker 2: way that you would actually see the band, you know,
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  Speaker 2: aside from like, you know, the true cold, like hard
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  Speaker 2: stare of a promo photo, but it was just like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: these guys are human beings, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, real quick, that is something I'm kind of
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  Speaker 1: interested in. What you have to say? What are like
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  Speaker 1: the top two music videos from this era, so like
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and three to like two thousand, let's say
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and two to like two thousand and six,
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  Speaker 1: what's the top two music videos here like that like
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  Speaker 1: automatically come your head because I have my two and
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  Speaker 1: they're very specific.
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  Speaker 3: Do you say two thousand and six is included in this?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: Oh man, there's some really good Norman gene ones like
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: from Oh God, Like I always forget like how to
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  Speaker 3: say they're those names because they're like all like two
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  Speaker 3: words connected. But there's the one that it's not band network,
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  Speaker 3: it's there's another one from that album that scared literally
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  Speaker 3: scared me because it has like these like close ups
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  Speaker 3: of brain and like screaming and they're just like they
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  Speaker 3: look like they're sooty or something like. It just scared me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, is that I'm forgetting? What is the cell phones?
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: But that's from that's from Blessed Mark. I'm thinking from
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  Speaker 3: Oh God, Oh from God. Let me let me look
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  Speaker 3: really quick. H Once I see this song name, I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna remember, Uh it's absent absent, Yeah, that album or
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  Speaker 3: that music video or no, no sorry, it's uh liars scenic
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  Speaker 3: or liarsenic or how. I don't know how you'd say
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  Speaker 3: that one. I love those those names anyway that I
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  Speaker 3: think it's that one that's like actually legitimly scary to me.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so that one. What's the other one, Mason for you?
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  Speaker 3: Well, the other one, I mean, and this is the
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  Speaker 3: one that got nominated for Grammy, But I still think
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  Speaker 3: Writing on the Walls is such a sick music video,
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  Speaker 3: such a sick music video. Yeah, that's like you just
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  Speaker 3: get a little bit of this like interesting story plot
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  Speaker 3: of this murder that's going on. You get the band
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  Speaker 3: looking super creepy down in the basement. Basically, honestly, you know,
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  Speaker 3: that's the one that got nominated for a Grammy. But
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  Speaker 3: there's like three music videos from that album alone that
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  Speaker 3: could have been nominated for a Grammy because they're all
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  Speaker 3: so well produced and they're also good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I remember. And they also did some Norman
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  Speaker 2: Geen videos too. I think they were called popcor and
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  Speaker 2: that was the name of the production company. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: for me, uh, probably the one that sticks out the most, well,
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  Speaker 2: actually not probably it does is the Rising End by Zaoh.
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  Speaker 2: That one was just really creepy to me. And on
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  Speaker 2: top of that, I really loved how intense the band looked,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, like Russ his eyes are rolled back,
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  Speaker 2: and then you see him actually jumping land on his
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  Speaker 2: knees and I think he had to get like surgery
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  Speaker 2: like a couple a couple of years later because of that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and then you had the bass player at the time
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: who had long hair. He was just doing windmills and
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I was like, that is so sick and and it
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: you know, the guy had like I think it was
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: like dried blood like like around his eyes or something
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: like that, and I don't know, it was just it
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: just the lighting was just so creepy it, you know.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: And then I would say the other one, I really
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I think I just have really fond memories of watching
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: this one. But I would say Walls by Emory just
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: because like it was definitely I mean, you just saw
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: these guys going completely nuts and they definitely weren't like
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: super heavy or anything like that. But they were just
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: going for it, and I just I loved it.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: My two kind of out of like the scene a
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: little bit, but still adjacent in the end Lincoln Park.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: That. Oh, I thought you're talking just about solid say
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: and no no.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Just like any any two music, It is like just
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: because that time period had like such a very very
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: distinct kind of like like Joe was saying, kind of
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: low budget but also like kind of artsy and everything
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: like that. That one sticks in my head. And then the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: other one that sticks in my head very significantly is
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: a spy Hunter from Project eighty six.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's a great one. That's a great one. And
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: the way that that one ends with what ends up
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: being the album cover, that's pretty cool.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. I was gonna say in that case,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: my honorable mention is the song bad Touch by Bloodhouse
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Gang bloodhoud Gang because the reason why was because I
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: actually I was very sick and I stayed home from
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: school that day and I passed out on the couch
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: and I remember waking up and that was on and
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I thought I was having a fever dream and like,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: what the hell was going on? And you like talking
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: about you know, like sex and just dressed like monkeys
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: and running around and like I was just like, what
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: is happening? So yeah, I just remember thought I think
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: it was the most hilarious thing I'd ever seen.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: IM.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: All right, so hey today, Burning Bridges, How did it
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: hit you back in two thousand and four? Like I
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: remember when Closest Thing to Closure came out on Steel
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Roots and I was like, again, kind of scared. I
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: had never really heard music quite like that before, and
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: also I was extremely intrigued, So yeah, how did that
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: How did that album? How did those songs hit you
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: back in two thousand and four?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: For me?
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I think, uh, at the time, I think it was
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: a good alternative to Zao because Zao was very very dark,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: and you know, you had a similar vocal style, but
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the lyrics are brighter. The song sounded brighter and uh,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: and I feel like the lyrical content was also much
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: more pausey, you know, a little bit more hardcore influenced.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: So I definitely, you know, almost like triumphant in a way.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: So that's what I would say.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I feel I feel like you kind of
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: kind of described it perfectly there. Yeah, Specifically the fact
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: that you have like these like very very dark vocals
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: alongside of almost like pop punk guitar work. Yeah, at times,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, obviously you have like that like
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: hardcore and metal core kind of influence, but I think
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: more often than not, especially unlike the choruses and stuff
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: like that, it's very very pop punk style, which I
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: kind of like that juxtaposition, and they kind of like
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: move in and out of that, and it makes it
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: interesting all the time, which is probably why I still
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: visit this album and and a lot of a lot
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: of the early work of Hayes to day. Yeah, what
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: do you What do you think, Mace?
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I well, there's a reason why. I think there
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: was almost kind of this like new genre that they
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: almost invented that I would often hear them described as
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: emo core. Yeah, rather than like scream o or metalcore.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: They were considered emo core, which I think was sort
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: of this like hybrid where obviously you get kind of
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: this like very high pitch scream that you would hear
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: in scream Oh, but then you also get, like you
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: mentioned before, like these kind of pop punk rifts at times,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: and yet it's a like the breakdowns are a metalcore breakdown,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: So it's kind of this really interesting blend of all
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: these different genres together and they do it really well obviously,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: like it doesn't feel like they're forcing any one of
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: those genres. They're blending it all together very well. And
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: so I think it's one of those things where I mean,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: I loved like Closest Thing to Closure and some of
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: the other songs off that album back in two thousand
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: and four. And also I think and it hit to
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: a certain degree, I think it hits more now for
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: me to recognize, oh, what they were doing is actually
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: really impressive because very few bands can actually do what
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: they were doing. And so it actually, to me hits
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: more now than it did in two thousand and four.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: And that might not be the case for some of
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: these other albums, but in two thousand and four that hit,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: you know well, but it now hits I think even more,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: just because they were able to blend something together that
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: very few bands ever were able to even come close
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: to replicating. And so anyway, what do you guys think
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: about it hitting now? Like how does that feel for
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: you all? Now?
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: One word? Good?
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Wow?
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I think that's gonna help us with our tear rating
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: here you say good, I'm gonna say good plus.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Oh oh, if we're going with the tier rating then
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, yeah, Well.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: If you're just saying good, I mean that's not that's
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: not like A. That's not it's definitely not S. That's
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: like B C tier.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, I would say B. I would
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: give it a B tier.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that that's what I was gonna say. So
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: the way it's hitting me now is actually probably higher.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I would have probably put it as a C back
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: in two thousand and four. I think it's a B
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: tier now, so I'm going to put it as a
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: B tier. What do you all think? B tier?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I would have said high Sea tier then, and I
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: would say high se low B for me right now?
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: So okay, so possible be here?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it sounds like we're all pretty much
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: close to a B if not a BE across the board.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: What do you think, Joe, Yeah, let's be he said B. Yeah,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: all right, great, So we got a BET here, So
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: let me do our little ratings. So we got Burning
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Bridges at a BE tier. How about that? So first
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: album on the board, love it all right?
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: So my next album, that's true, So people are going
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: to be mad at us.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: That's fine, that's fine.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Hey.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Actually, the thing is I think Hasted, like as much
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: as this album is a B tier, I think they
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: do have some A tier albums. It's just this one
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: in particular, I think is a beatiar. Next album is
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Officer Negatives, the Death Campaign Project. I'll be honest, I
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: don't think I ever even remotely listened to this album
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: when it first came out on Tooth and Nail in
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: two thousand and four. I think a part of that
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: is that they I don't believe they had a music
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: video for any of their songs on this album. And
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: obviously for me, like being a Tooth and Nail kid
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: and watching Steel Roots and what was like the Heavy Mayhem,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: so like watching those shows like that was really the
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: only way I was gonna get introduced to any of
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: these bands. And I just think I probably missed Officer
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Negative because of that. So in terms of being able
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: to like figure out, like did this hit back in
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: two thousand and four, I'm just not gonna be a
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: really good judge of that because I didn't listen to
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: them back in two thousand and four. But at the
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: very least we can judge how this album sounds and
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: what it's like in two thousand and twenty twenty four now,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: so ten years or twenty years later, So any like,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know if, like Joe, did you listen to
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Officer Negative? Colin, did you listen to Officer Negative? Like?
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Any thoughts on these guys.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I had listened a little bit. They were kind of
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: they were kind of like an old head band. I
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: think they've started like late nineties or whatever, and I
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: believe this is their last album. They were kind of
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: they were all really talented, but I don't know if
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: it was production or if it was just not like
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: gelling together very well. This album sounds terrible, mainly in
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the rhythmic part of the album, Like the drums feel
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: like they're like moving cadence so often, or they're like
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: lagging behind really bad. And again I don't know if
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: that's production or if that's just poor play or what.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: But I mean some of the positives of this album.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Vocalist don't remember his name. He's incredible, got a really
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: really cool sounding scream, very cool lyrics if you check
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: those out. Decent guitar work, and honestly, the drumming is
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: actually pretty good. But First of all, it is produced bad,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Like it just sounds kind of like thumpy or not thumpy.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: It sounds tinny, but yeah, there's something wrong with the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: rhythm where it just doesn't match up very well and
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: maybe they like recorded it live or something, but just
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: sounds like everything's just kind of falling apart at times.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: I think that's on Officer Negative Joe.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Part of the reason why I mentioned earlier that I
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: think this was a transitionary year was because I think
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: when I listened to this record back then and even now,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: it sounds like it was recorded in the late nineties,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: you know, like a tear that would be you know,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: like if you listen to stuff from the late nineties
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: or even like two thousand and two thousand and one,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I feel like that was this was the year that
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I feel like two thousand and two three four was
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: the year where, like a lot of the recordings that
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: came out on Solid State tooth and Nail, the production
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: started to become a lot more elevated, and I feel
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: like this was one of the last ones that sounded
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: kind of like more like a demo than it did
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: like an actual, I guess, full production because you even
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: go back and listening, even go back and listening to like,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: you know, the Changing of Times by under Oath or
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: or whatnot. I mean that that still sounds pretty rough,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: at least to my ears, But you know, I yeah,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I think I think this that was that release, unfortunately,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: was one of the last ones that was I think
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: a little bit more rough sounding. But the songs themselves
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: are pretty cool them. Yeah, And I think they were
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: initially a punk band, and I think part of the
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: reason why this record never really got a chance to shine,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: even with the production and stuff like that, was because
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I think they broke up shortly after they released it.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And there's like a chance that, you know,
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: they they went into this album knowing that it would
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: be the last thing they would do. I mean that
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: seemed kind of like a real possibility because I was
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: reading their Wikipedia profile and it seemed like one of
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: those things where a lot of the guys were already
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: starting to leave by that point, and so it just
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: seemed like kind of writing was on the wall for
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: the band.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: And so well, one of the members did become a
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: pro skateboarder from life.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: I did see that. Yeah, one of the former drummers
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: from this band became a pro skater. I was like, Okay,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: that's cool, that's raight, Yeah, Joe. The bringing up the
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: production piece is interesting because I think you're right that
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: two thousand and four does seem to be like kind
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: of this transitionary period for solid say a Tooth and Nail,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: where the production just gets elevated so much more. And yeah,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: and it reminds me of just this balance that punk
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: hardcore metal bands are always navigating where you can sound
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: super super produced, and there certainly are those bands that have,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: like you know, went into like the very super produced style.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: And you know, I'm sure you've listened to enough of
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: these episodes where you know, Colin and I are of
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: the opinion where you get to a point of like
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: super produced punk and hardcore metal stuff and you start
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: to lose a lot of the character of that music.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: But also on the flip side, and I think this
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: is where Officer Negatives album really lacks is you just
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: get also this sound where it could just sound like
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: a demo and that's not very interesting, Like it just
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: you lose a lot of the value of what this
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: album could sound like. And so I do think this
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: era or at least this is the beginning of the
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: era where you start to get some albums that are heavy,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: you know, metal, hardcore, punk albums that also are actually
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: well produced to the strengths of that genre, and they
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: start to like really highlight that genre. And I think
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: the bands that have really done well in heavy music
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: since then are the bands that have like struck that
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: balance of produced well enough, but also they're still like
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: there's still the character of the rawness of the genre,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: and so like you think of like, you know, a
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: band like knock Loose right now that could they could
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: probably record anywhere, get whoever they want to mix and master,
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: like they are at like a top level, and yet
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: they're able to figure out that balance still where it
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: sounds extremely heavy still but not overproduced. And so it's
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: just like it really is kind of one of those
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: things where you're like two thousand and four, the early
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: two thousands seem to be this like time period where
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: you're starting to see that music being the change where
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: it doesn't sound like rough sounding demos. And that's part
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: of the reason why some of that music, some of
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: this music, in fact, we're gonna we're gonna talk about
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: one of those albums that got really popular because I
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: think partly because the production of this kind of music,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: uh was it was well produced enough but still kept
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: some of the rawness of the music. Like it was
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: just this perfect balance.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think, gosh, this has been a long
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: time since I've heard this, but there was and they
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: were they were interviewing Jimmy Eat World in the in
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the interview and they were talking about the production of
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Bleed American and they said that that was one of
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: the first, if not the first, Billboard Hot one hundred
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: albums that used pro Tools as it's as its recording software.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: So you know, with pro tools and stuff like that,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: you're gonna quantizing, you're gonna have all that stuff. It's
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: gonna help like put things on a track a little
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: bit more. Uh not that Jimmy Eat World did that
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: all the way through, but like it is going to
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: definitely improve a lot of things, and a lot of
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the shortcomings of a band are going to maybe be
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: not covered up all the way, but they're gonna be
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: maybe masked to a certain extent. And I think, you know,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: by two thousand and four, you're probably saying this is
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: pretty widespread where just about everyone's recording digitally instead of
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: you know, to tape or whatever it might be before that.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: So unless so you're one of the bands on this list,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: but we can get to that in a bit.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: That's true, Yeah, which we'll be excited for.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: All right, So, Officer negative, here's my recommendation for a
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: song that we should listen to for about a minute.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: The most popular song by far on Spotify for this
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: band is called The Dawn Breaks, and I would recommend
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: that song, but I don't know if you guys have
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: any other.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good one. So although, actually no, there's
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: one other one that I was thinking of. It's got
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: a cool intro. I got to look it up though, again, sorry,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: give me one second. In fact, I almost felt like it.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: It kind of felt like a m It felt like
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: an early normal gene kind of intro from Death Campaign Project.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Let me look it up.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Still, Sorry, it's taking me a moment.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Why do you do that?
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I think it's called Warmth Warmth. Yes.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: One thing I do love about this album is the Yes.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: It's actually pretty cool. It is pretty cool, uh, And
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: it's kind of a bummer that the rest of the
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: album just isn't really well produced, but the artwork is
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: actually pretty great. I'm a big fan of it.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh yeah, I think the beginning of warmth here
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: probably gives listeners the best example of their strengths in
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: this band.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: So all right, Yeah, it's got kind of that Blessed
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: the Martyr kind of feel like, kind of in the
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: middle of Memphis, you know what, it kind of exactly.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I love that kind of stuff, man.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it sounds pretty good here. But
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: even even here, you can you can tell on the
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: drugs that there is something that's not quite locking into
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: place all that day.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: It definitely sounds a little scattered.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: To me, but it pushes and pulls, and yes, it
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: is scattered. I do like that guitar working. That's it's
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: very ominous because the kind of a chorus sim in
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: the background.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: It's funny because you can definitely tell that that's like
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: a late nineties early two thousand and synths like and
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: uh and the and the cleaning guitar part is you
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: could definitely tell that was like probably before you know,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: they started doing a lot of di I recordings and stuff.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: This was probably miked up and it sounds like the
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: actual pick up.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got that.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: I think it does make me like wonder, like how
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: did something like Blessed the Martyr, which I think has
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: maybe somewhat similar production but like you know, production kind
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: of quality. But how does like Blessed and Martyr just
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: like transcend that production to you know, but this album doesn't,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: you know, like like they have one hundred and seventy
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: monthly listeners right now, but Blessed and Marty is still
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: one of the most popular Norman Gen albums right. Like
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: it's just interesting. I think a lot of that is
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: just maybe the songwriting of Blessed the Martyr that just
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: transcended it. But it's really interesting that the production style
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: just like it's similar, like it's it's it's this sounds
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: like it was recorded in two thousand and one.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, it really comes down to the
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: songwriting man and it. And I also think, uh, you
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: have a frontman like Josh, Like I mean, people still
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: harp on the record because of Josh, you know, yeah,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: and you know, like you know, if you got the
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: right frontman, I mean a lot of the times, it's
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: it's just really going to help.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right, I really do. I really
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: do feel like it's the production quality of this of
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: this album that just kind of made it find the
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: dust bin instead of the you know, the top shelf
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: kind of situation.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: It doesn't sound as full as Bust the Martyr does.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: No, definitely, Yeah, that's true.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And even Bust the Martyr kind of falls victim
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: to feeling a little tiny at times, especially when you
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: got you know, multiple guitars playing some pretty jangly riffs
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So yeah, no, I would I
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: would argue that it really does just come down to
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: production quality.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: How did this album hit for you guys if you
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: did listen to it in two thousand and four.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't listen to it enough in two thousand and
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: four to probably have it really hit me in any
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: meaningful way. I think I had two songs downloaded, probably
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: from Pure Volume or something like that. I don't remember
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: per se, but yeah, probably. I just don't think it
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: had enough impact on me then to have to make
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: a mark be a fair judge.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I think for me, I because there
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: was I think similarly to you, because there was no
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: accompanying music video. It kind of like I'm like, well,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I've got all this other stuff I can check out
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: because I mean again, I mean even the couple of
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: years prior to this, Tooth and Nail and Solid State
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: had a slew of music videos that were already out there,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: you know, me without You Beloved, you know, even Dead
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Poetic already had a video for August Winnerman off of
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: their first record, and and you know, I think that
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: kind of forced me to focus on it, with the
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: exception of one band, which is of course X Tole,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: because they just had it so evil. I was so
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: drawn to it. But but I have gone back actually
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: and listened to this record, and I hear a lot
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: of potential there, and I feel like had they stuck
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: it out and perhaps even gone with a with a
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: person that was a solid producer, I think they could
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: have made something of themselves. They clearly don't. Like, they
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: clearly have something.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I agree.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all the parts of writing and even just see
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: a clip that we were listening to, I mean, there's
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: something there, Like I mean, I think you're right, Colin,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: where there's these moments where it's kind of like Blessing
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Arder kind of vibe, and and so there's clearly moments
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: there where it's like, oh, this really could have maybe
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: been something more. But obviously for a variety of part
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: part of it is, like I did look on Wikipedia,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: they were in nineteen ninety five, so at this point
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: they were in a nine year old band. Yeah, they
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: probably weren't getting off the ground in nine years, and
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: so they probably are like, you know, what next thing
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: in life? And you know, I get it, like you know,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: that's what happens, and so I think that's probably part
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: of the reason to it so well, that and when
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: you have a professional skateboarding contract in front of you.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: It's crazy though, because I know they are back, are they?
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: They're back they and they went back to their punk
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: roots because I went and checked it out, and I
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: think they released a song or two and I'm on
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: the Wikipedia right now and it says, yeah, twenty twenty
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: four to a present. So I don't know who's in
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: the band and whatnot, but yeah, it definitely does not
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: sound like the Death Campaign. It sounds interesting.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, cool, nice, Okay.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I wonder if Eric Madson's band.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Probably could do you imagine? All right, So, since none
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: of us really are a good judge of the way
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: that that album hit us back then, how does this
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: album hit you? Now? Like, where where would you put
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: it in the Steer rankings?
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think the I think the way
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: that Joe described it as kind of perfect in that regard,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I would I think I'd have to put this D unfortunately,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: although the artwork makes me want to put it up
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: and see alone, but I can't put No, it's got
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: to be D.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, unfortunately, Sorry guys, I'd have to put it there.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: And uh but I do I, like I said, I
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: do think that there was potential there. It's it's a
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: shame that you know there wasn't something right after. But yeah,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I would agree.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: I agree. I think out of these eight albums, this
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: is probably going to be the one that gets rated
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: the lows. So I'm totally fine with putting it at D.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: So all right, well, it is a jugger nips.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: It's a picture trying to bat clean up right now.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: So what you need? You need one of them? Right
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Like That's that's the beauty of these kind of lists
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: is you know what one of them is not going
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: to be the best, and so this is clearly that one.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: So right now we got Hay Today, Burning Bridges at
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: B tier and we've got uh officer negative at d Tier.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: So uh.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: The next one chronologically is New Medicines by Dead Poetic.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: I do remember this song coming out on Steel Roots,
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: specifically the song New Medicines and just being like what
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: is this? This is amazing? And what's interesting is, you know,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: thinking that this song is absolutely and I still absolutely
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: like love this album. Uh, And I think New Medicines
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: as a song is like such a well written song.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: And what's interesting is it wasn't until college that I
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: first learned and about Thursday, but then I realized, oh wait,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: like Dead Poetic was solid sat and Tooth and Nail's
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: answer to Thursday, yeah at this time. And so it's
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: just really interesting like going back, like especially removing myself
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: from like the Christian music world and like actually seeing
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: or listening to the bands that were on like the
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: band poster of like if you like this secular band,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: you'll like this Christian man, Like they actually listen to
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: some of those secular bands. You realize like, oh wait,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: this makes sense of why Tooth and Nail was trying
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: to get some of these bands, and Dead Poetics seemed
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: to me, oh they're Tooth and Nail's answer solid State's
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: answer to Thursday. And so that takes nothing away from
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Dead Poetic. I think Dead Poetic is incredible, but it
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: does make sense to me now, like, oh, that's what
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Tooth and Nail and Solid State were trying to do.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: They were trying to answer to the Thursday in the world.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: M h yeah, that makes sense to me. I think
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: we should listen to a song.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: I think we should listen to New Medicines. That song
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: just kicks for sure, Let's do it.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: I'm down for that.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: So all right, uh, I've got it pulled up here.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: You already yep. Two.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: What I've always loved that intro.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, is that a guitar?
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, that's what the lay.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: And what's cool about it too, is that the music
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: video has like that lava lamp and it just reminds
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: me like that sound. I'm like, oh, it's you know that,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: maybe that's what it would sound like. I actually think
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: it's funny that you said that this is the answer
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: to Thursday, because to me, I felt like this answer
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: was an answer more to like just showing my age
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: a little bit, but more of an answer to like
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Finch because because Thursday didn't have in my opinion, like
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: the poppy choruses that Finch does and and Dead Poetic
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: definitely has more poppy your Courses than Thursday does. I
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: mean again, it's just just my opinion, but I also
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: think that, uh, and I know this might be kind
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: of tainting, like my view of this too, but I
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: do know that the Finch guys are huge into like
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Deftones and a lot of those nineties spans, late nightties
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: spans and when they were first getting their start, And
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I know that Dead Poetic was definitely of cut from
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: the same cloth too.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And again, like to go from officer negative
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: in that production style to listening to this to me
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: just from it, Like if you just listen to it
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: from a production style, if something came out right now
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: with this kind of production, I would be like that
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: this is two thousand and four or twenty twenty four,
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: like this sounds so good and like just the production
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: back then. I don't know who did the production for
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: this album.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: But my goodness, this is Aaron Sprinkle.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah Okay, that sense why it holds up well, But
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: it's just it's impressive how well it just sounds. Still,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: the guitar work that turn Dune and yeah, it just
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: sounds frenchy, really well done.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Everything sounds very full.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah you know you you said Finch, you said Thursday.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I get like thirty seconds to Mars vibes pretty much
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: straight through on this, and for me, I think it's
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: going for that kind of more like more of that
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: like big hooky pop kind of of emo that was
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: starting to become a big time thing here in two
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: thousand and four. I don't know why, but this record
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: never really did it for me. I struggled with it.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: And maybe it's because, you know, younger me was like, oh,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: that record's s o w ft so oft, and I
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: did not like that at the time, you know, I was.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, I liked emo music, but this felt like
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: too too radio friendly. You know. It wasn't really, it wasn't.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: It felt like something that my mom would be okay
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: with me listening to, and I didn't like that.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I like that. I like that. I think I hear
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: you about the thirty seconds to Mars thing. And not
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: only that, I feel like, especially the first two thirty
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: seconds to Mars records, they red and white and black
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: were huge themes and this record is too you know,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: in terms of the one hours work and stuff, so
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I could definitely hear that. I feel like there was
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: just something that was going on with heavy music back
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: then where folks were starting to be okay with melody
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: and everybody was just kind of giving their shot at it,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: you know, And I think that, and so I think
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: it totally makes sense that the three of us kind of,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of pick up different like bands or vibes,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: you know, vibes from it. And uh but what what
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: what I what I do appreciate, Colon, is that the
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: the that you notice the effect though that this this
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: record actually has had on uh on on the scene
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: in two thousand and four though. So yeah, for.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Sure one of the things that I love about this
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: band and ended up being kind of the the reason
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: why they ended up breaking up. But Brandon, their lead singer,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: has some pipes, oh.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Undeniable.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: That dude can sing, and he's got the kind of
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: voice where you could probably put him in some sort
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: of pop album and it probably would sound really good.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: And yet he has this quality in his voice that
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: fits so perfectly for this heavy kind of hard rock,
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: alternative emo sound. Like he just has this heaviness that's
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: like heavier than you know, something like Chris Karraba's voice, right,
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Like there's just this like heaviness in his the register
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: or in his voice, and it works perfectly for a
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: sound like this, And it's just such a shame that
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: they only did I think, what three albums with you know,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: probably New Medicines being their most famous one. It's such
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: a shame that they only did a few albums and
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: called it quits, because I just think with the versatility
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: of his voice and certainly the versatility of this sound
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: of you know, being able to do more emo stuff
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: that could you know, kind of goes more soft if
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: you wanted to, you could go really heavy. If there's
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: just so much versatility there, they really could have gone
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: in a lot of different directions that would have really
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: done well, I think. And it's just a shame that they,
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: you know, for I think it was Brainon that wanted
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: just to be done with the band, and I get it,
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: you know, I'll respect that, but you just also kind
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: of wonder, like they do seem kind of like the
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: one that got Away, where it's like, oh, this this
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: could have been something really big. You just never know.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Well, I remember listening to an interview with Brandon, and
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: they were supposed to actually go out and open up
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: for Incubus and yeah, during and I think they had
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: that lined up, and they were supposed to go out
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: with red jumpsuit apparatus when they were like huge with
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: that face down song.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that would make sense.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: And I mean those two tours, I mean, especially the
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Incubus one would have been huge for them. I mean, yeah,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: and so but yeah, I mean if if, I mean
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: and I listened to a podcast that he was on
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: and he was just like, you know, I wish I wasn't.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: So he was like, I was so young, and obviously
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I should take my marriage seriously. But he was like,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: I've got the whole rest of my life. But he
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: didn't like being on the road and away from his wife,
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: which makes sense.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Totally get that.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: I get it. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, They're just
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: one of those They are one of those tooth and
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: nail solid state bands that you kind of wonder what
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: could have been. Yeah, you know that there are solid
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: state bands and tooth and nail bands that you know,
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: they they did what they could have done to have
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: been as big as they could have possibly been, and
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: it just never worked or whatever. But this is one
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: of those bands where you're just like, God, I think,
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: just maybe one more release and it could have really
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: popped off and they could have been maybe the next
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: under Oath or something. You just really never know. But God,
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: they really felt like they were on something. I mean,
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: they clearly have some dedication. I know at some point
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: on even on Spotify, they still have one hundred thousand
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: monthly listeners at a time's surprising, which is unbelievable. Like
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: they their last album was two thousand and six, almost
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: twenty years ago, and they were a solid state band,
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: Like they only released three albums and their last album
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: was two thousand and six, and they still have like
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: a really dedicated listenership. They're a band I often think
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: about this. They are a band that actually is kind
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: of surprising. In the four years of furnace Fest, they
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: never reunited just for one show. I would have thought
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: maybe furnesce Fest could have brought them out of retirement
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: for one show.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: That is one that I had speculated on at one point,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it was not to be.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: It never happened, But God, that could have. Could you
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: imagine a dead poetic show up Furnace Fest that would
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: have ripped absolutely, especially this year this would have been
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: the twentieth anniversary of nuone Medicines. People would have gone apes.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, I bet you.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: There was some conversations had you know.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so all right, how did how did this album
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: hit you? In two thousand Fourst Cullen, you kind of
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: mentioned like it just for whatever reason, didn't quite hit
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: you in the way that you would have assumed back then.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Ye uh, Joe, it sounds like you really loved this
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: album even in two.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: I I liked, I liked, I liked it a lot,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: especially uh, there was some highlight tracks on there for me, uh,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Glass in the Trees, and then dimmer Light was really
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: good too, and Modern Morbid Prophecies I think is probably
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: their most underrated song in their entire discography, because, like
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: you were mentioning, like the catchiness and the poppiness. And
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: it's funny because when I went and saw them live,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: I met their bass player at the time and he
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, everybody likes that song. It's only because
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: it's damn catchy and it's just uh, you know so,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I I yeah, definitely was in regular rotation
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: back in the day.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: So yeah, all right, how does it hit you now?
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, I listened to this album fairly regularly, regularly,
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: probably multiple times a year, and there's a reason for it.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: I'm just I think this album is awesome. It's such
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: a good album. I don't think it's the best album
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: from two thousand and four for Solid State, but it's
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: a damn good album in my opinion. What about you, guys,
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: I would I.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Would probably have to put in the seats here for myself,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: and I know that that's all very low for most
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: but yeah, just it's just not one that resonates with
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: me even still to this day. I mean, there's a
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: couple of songs I like, but I'm not gonna like
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: go ape over it by any means.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: I did listen to it recently also, and I feel like,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: actually the songs have aged incredibly well. I think back
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: when the album first came out, I wanted there to
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: be a little bit more aggression, but I still really
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: enjoyed it. But I listened to it now and as
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: I've kind of progressed as a songwriter and noticing these
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: nuances and whatnot, and I really I feel like I
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: appreciate it more now, but if I had to give
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: it a rating, I think it would still be it
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: probably be like a strong B.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Oh a B. Okay, well that's helpful for me. Then
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: to average this out, I was going to give it
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: an A, and so I think between an A, A C,
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: and a B. Puts it out a B, which I'm
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: fine with that B feel fine for for y'all.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm fine with that.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Great, So a B tier it is for new medicines,
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: right next to Hayseed a's burning bridges. So we've got
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: two b's and a D. So sounds like Collin's college
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: college experience.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: So far from it. Actually, it's the only time in
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: my life I ever got straight a's.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Who you know, Colin and I are similar in that way.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: I mean I was like, I was a good high
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: school student, but I actually did better in college and
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: then even in seminary. I did even better in seminary.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Like except for grad school.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, grad school. So all right, next one, yeah,
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: next less, here we go, next one on the list.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: In the middle or almost in the middle of the year.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: Demon Hunters Summer of Darkness. Uh yeah, Summer of Darkness. Uh,
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: what do you guys think about Summer of Darkness. This
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: one I still remember. I think it's Not Ready to
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: Die That came out as the music video on STU
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Roots and I was like, whoa, what is this? Uh?
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: That w was? I mean it was just like you
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: because I think the music video is like this funeral
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: or something and then he like rises from the dad
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: or something like that, or like he comes like everybody
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: thinks he's dead and then he comes like through the
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: doors or something like that. It was just like such
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: a sick music video.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: I think that was the video for a later song.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Actually not to be a stickler.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Oh never, Uh, there's but you know that's a demon.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's for. That's off of the trip tick.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: The song is Escaping Me. But the Not Ready to
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Die was they're in an elevator and it's quiet, and
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden they yeah, oh yeah.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, yes, you're right. And I do remember
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: that one.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's awesome. That's that one's actually probably even better.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah it's uh yeah, and and it's just it's I
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: I will say, and all due respect the Demon Hunter.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: I missed this Demon Hunter. I miss this, like just
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: balls to the wall, Like I understand, I like the
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: I like the ballad stuff, you know. But I mean,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: and they even had that on some of the the
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: on some of the songs on here and also on
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: later albums. But like, for the most part, it was
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: like ninety just aggression, you know, And yeah, I like
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: this record.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I do too. I think it's I
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: think it's produced incredibly well, and I feel like I
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: feel like it's always surprising to me that it is.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: It is pure aggression, like you said, but it's never
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: really that heavy. It never feels like it's gonna like
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: melt your face off heavy or like like, oh my gosh,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: I'm feeling like I'm in danger because it's so heavy.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: It just feels it doesn't feel like two step heavy.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: No, no, not at all. It feels it feels heavy
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: in the fact that you know, Clark is just saying
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: vocalist more than anything. And musically it's pretty laid back actually,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: which is kind of fun and it adds except for
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: the opening track. Opening track, Go was pretty hard, but
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: it's kind of hangs in this weird middle ground, at
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: least from my perspective in terms of like how you
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: might think about it and how you might think of
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: like this in general. Like I feel, at least from
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: my experience, there's a lot of people that go from
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: like Skillet, Thousand Foot Crutch to demon Hunter and then
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: they either stay in that realm or or they or
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: they go to like five Finger Death Punch, or they
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: go like into the actual alternative aspect of the scene,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I'm not trying to
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: say that Demon Hunter is not alternative, but I feel
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: like they're kind of like one of these gateway bands
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: that you kind of choose your route from there, you
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like that's like one of those
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: bands where you're you're going to determine if you're gonna
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: go one direction, which is kind of like I like
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: music but not that much, or I really love music
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to dive headfirst into this thing, you
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: know what I mean?
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: I would agree, And yeah, I think you're right. I
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: think there's definitely a difference between aggression and heavy. I
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: think like when I when I listen to this record,
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: I think there are a couple of barn burners, Like
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: there's the one song that has the guy from the
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Agony See on there called beheaded, and he has that
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: like black metal, high pitch vocal thing, and I'm like, whoa, yeah,
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: for sure, but but a lot of it is still
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: very melodic and it's just basic. It's it's just a
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: little beefier, you know. But uh, but and on top
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: of that, I think, uh, the drummer that they had
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: at the time before Yogi wasn't particularly a metal drummer either.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Right, And so I think he was a punk drummer,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: wasn't he?
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so? Uh yeah, it was actually uh.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: He went on to join Dead Poetic on their third record.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: But but so and I feel like drums play a
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: large role as to like how heavy or intense something
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: can be.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: And uh, especially with with demon Otter, because I mean
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: their eras are almost like separated out by who's drumming.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: At the moment exactly exactly so and and and not
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: only that, and as Yogi progressed as a drummer, like
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: he he he even admitted he was like when I first,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: like I heard on an interview, he was like, I
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: didn't even know how to do double kick when I
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: first joined Demon Hunter, and uh, and now that dude
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: can do blast beats and stuff, so you know, Yeah.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Demon Hunter is a band that has always confused me
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: because they have such a dedicated following. Yeah, like they
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: they have like if they play a show, they're selling out.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: You know, they're you know, if they put out on
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: an album right now, they're going to do really well.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: And album sales like they just do really well, you're
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: not going to do well, that's true. And yet I
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I've ever met somebody who's like,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: Demon Hunter is my favorite band of all time, that
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: just that they feel right, like how many people have
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: you ever met that are like, oh my god, demon
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: is my favorite band of all time. Like it's it's
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: just like and maybe it's just like maybe I'm in
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: like some sort of echo chamber where I just like
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: have missed every Demon Hunter fan. But I just I
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: don't understand where all of their fans are coming from. Yeah,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: but clearly they're there, like clearly the metrics are there,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: and yet I still don't know those people. They've got
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: to be there, but I just don't know who they
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: are because I and there's maybe a variety of reasons
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: for it, but I'm just like I've never met somebody
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: who's like, demon Hunter is my favorite band of all time,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: and yet their metrics would indicate that that's clearly the case.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: Somebody like there are many people where that is their
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: favorite band.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Ever, I'm not trying to I'm not trying to dog
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: on on demon Hunter at all, but I think you're
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: at You're absolutely right, Mason, Right, I'm not trying to
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: dog on demon Hunter, but what I'm what I am
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: gonna say here might seem like that. I feel like
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: it's I feel like demon Hunter is a kind of
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: band that like, let's say you're a dad, right, You're
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: a dad who has an eight year old son and
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: a and a twelve year old girl, and they think
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: that you're into like pretty lame music because you listen
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: to you know, five Finger Death Punch and Theory of
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: a Dead Man or something like that, right, and they're like,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: then you would basically go like, well, let me let
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: me show you something more heavy. Then you want to
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: hear something heavy. You want to hear something that's gonna
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: make you scared. And they'd be like, this is my
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: was one of my favorite bands. And then and then
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: you play this, right, and the kids all of a
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: sudden go, oh my god, Dad's psycho. Dad's dad's got
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: some cred now because he listens to things that make
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: me scared and he likes it.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: So I think I think.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: There's like that aspect of it, or like like a
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: lot of people just have demon Hunter in their back pocket.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: But you're right, they don't necessarily call them their favorite band.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: So demon Hunter is the scariest band for eight and
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: twelve year old boys and girls all across the nation. Yeah,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: and and for and for Iraqi.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well not all iraqis just the ones that are mean.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: For isis they hate demon Hunter? Ye?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Have you heard this joke?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean there's a reason why they
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: call this American satan or whatever.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: They demon Hunter might have the best Christian band, uh
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: like category like subcategories on a Wikipedia page ever, because
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: it's like early history, studio albums, discography, and reported use
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: by the military.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Yep, so good, it's uh yeah, it's uh. I think
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: also it's when it comes to demon Hunter, uh Like,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: I would definitely call myself a fan, but I would
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: say the same thing. It's kind of like, uh, I
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: have this different dare I say tears of bands I love?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: There are my favorite bands that I you know, as
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: a vital collector, I would pre order no matter what.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Then there's bands where I'm just like, I'll check out
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: the album and see if I like it. And then
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: there's bands where I'm just like, okay, like I'm a
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: casual listener.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, so.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they have a lot of those. I think,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Like I again, I don't think demon Hunter is getting
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: a lot of those people where it's again my favorite
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: band ever, But they've got a ton of people who
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: are just casual listeners where if Demon Hunter's putting out
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: an album, they'll listen to it.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: We got to ask those people who are getting the
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: demon logo tattooed on them, you know what I mean?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all three of them.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: There's a bunch slew of those there.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: There's probably more demon Hunter tattoos, and there are Punisher
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: tattoos on people out there.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: And they're all they also roll in the same group.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: But we don't need to go down that path, right.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: That's true? All right, So I think we all should
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: listen to Not Ready to Die and then we can
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: rank this album. So all right, I'm ready to when
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: you all are all right? Three two one, oh.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: It's got the old leader I've got that actually say here,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Oh man, it's greeny is all get out.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: So I was always wondering if if if Solid Statement
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: and Slash Shooth Nail would always I wonder if they
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: would re upload those. I think it's gonna be pretty
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: cool if they did.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: You know, I think one thing that we did not
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: talk about when we should is a screen is among
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: one of those most like iconic recognize people.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I would agree.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: Plus like his like fiction as.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Peck with. It's kind of cool because I feel like
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: on this release, I'm not really a new metal guy,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: but they went a little new metal and some part
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: like that very beginning, you know, the verses are very
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: you know, like almost rapping, but he's still doing the
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: harsh vocal thing. Yeah, but that riff that's so sick.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: It actually call him what it reminds me of. And
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: you'll appreciate this, maybe, Joe, maybe you listen to this band.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: There's a band now called Vain FM, and that band
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: guitar riff sounds similar to ve kind of this, Like
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: it's like it's metalcore hardcore stuff, like really heavy stuff,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: and yet there's like this like alternative metal, new metal
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: vibe that's going on with the riff itself.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: That's such a weird poll, but you're right, You're absolutely right.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: One other thing about this album that I absolutely love
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: that needs to be talked about more is the Howard
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: Jones uh.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Guest spot guest spot.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: I remember listening to that for the first time, not
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: knowing who kills which engage was back in the day,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: So listening to this record first and being like, what,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: who's singing like opera kind of stuff here? This is great?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Why does this work so well? And then I found
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: kill Switch. I was like, oh, this is this is
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: something I'm gonna listen to a lot in my life. Apparently.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Fun fact side note, Howard Jones used to manage August
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: Burn's right at the beginning of their career. What really,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: that's part of the reason why they recorded a thrill
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Seeker with Adam d.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that makes sense? Interesting?
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: Huh? All right, well cool, that's good to know.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: All right, So how did this album hit you back
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: in two thousand and four and how does it hit
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: you now?
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: I think back in two thousand and four, I would
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: have said this is a bee, but I'm gonna say
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: this is probably a C.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: Now for me, interesting, Okay, how about you, Joe.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: I would have to say, uh yeah, high see low B.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: I like the songs, but I just think that the
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: band got better. And also among like the uh the
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: other lists or the other bands on this list or
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: this year, there are much stronger releases.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. I would also so here,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna put it out of Sea. So we're gonna
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: put it out sea. I will say that is my
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: own personal assessment of it. I can also see like
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: the general heavy world right now, heavy music world with
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: kind of this resurgence of an alternative metal, new metal vibe.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: I could see this album like if this was released today,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: it probably actually would do really well. And so for
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: that reason, I do think maybe it hits better today
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: than it even maybe hit in two thousand and four. Yeah,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: but I do think it's still like a like a
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: solid SEA. But I could see it, like again, out
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: of my own perspective, kind of trying to think of
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: like other people and how they think about this stuff
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: right now, I could see if this album was released
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, it probably would at least be
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: a solid B.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you're probably right.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: So all right, well, I'm glad we're all in agreement here.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: So we've got a C. We've got our first C.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: So we've got two b's, a C, and a D.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: Not looking good for two thousand and four for solid
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: state albums. I'll just be honest.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: I'll be honest. That's not terrible passive.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: This is the first half of the year too, So
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: first half of the year not looking great. We only
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: got two bs. I mean, I guess you know b's
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: and c's degrees or.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Is it dze ds get degrees in high school?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: In high Schoolyeah, I was gonna say that that can't
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: be the case in college. So all right, well that's
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: where we're at now. But I do think things are
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: going to turn. The tide is going to turn. So
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: next album, the next album is uh, probably probably the
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: most infamous or famous infamous famous, I don't like I
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: always forget how to differentiate.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: It goes too.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: It's probably, let's put it this way, might be I
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: think there might be some albums that can at least
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: maybe potentially lay this claim, but I think this one
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: album could at least potentially make this claim. Might be
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: the most important album not just for Solid State Records,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: but all of Tooth and Nail, and that is They're
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: Only Chasing Safety by under Oath again, we're doing two
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: thousand or we're doing two thousand and four albums. So
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: twenty years ago, just over twenty years ago, They're Only
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: Chasing Safety came out and probably changed the entire landscape
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: of that label and change the landscape of heavy music
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: in general. So I like, I still remember the first
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: time seeing Reinventing Your Exit on Steel Roots download it
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: on LimeWire, and I was probably eleven or twelve years old.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: I was certainly probably eleven years old. I was definitely
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: younger than twelve at this point. I was eleven years
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: old putting on my little overhead headphones at my family
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: computer and Colin has been to my my family home,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: and our computer was in the kitchen, okay, so it
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: was like you can't hide. That was part of the
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: reason my parents like did not want us because I
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: was the oldest boy out of like three boys.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: So when you got mom's eyes right.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: There, hey, So we were in h in the kitchen,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: and I remember I would like for hours on end
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: after school, I would listen to Reinventing Your Exit because
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: it just it totally changed everything for me. I was like,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: I did not realize music could be like this. And
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: I still remember blasting that album and specifically that song,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: Reinventing Your Exit and just blasting it and could hear
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: through my headphones some screaming going on, and she was like,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: what is that, Mason kind of and I like immediately
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: like oh shit, Like my mom, like she knows that
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: I'm I can't be listening like or I know that
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: she knows that I can't be listening to screaming music.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: And I kind of like did the whole like justification,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: like they're a Christian band, Mom, Like I promise, like
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: like it's okay for me to listen to them, like
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: they're signed to this record label. I promise, Like I
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: did everything to plead my case because I really loved
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: this song and I love this album, and she was like, Okay,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: as long as they're a Christian band, I'm fine with this.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: And that's how he became the biggest under Oath fan,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: uh or that's how I, for myself became the biggest
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: under Oath fan. I don't know if I'm the biggest
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: Under Oath fan ever. But my goodness, I love this album.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: I love this song everything about it. Uh yeah, that's
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: that's my story with They're only chasing safety, how about you?
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: I just love the thought of like little Mason frantically
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: trying to explain to his mom this is not a
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: Satanic band.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: Well, and if anybody has met my mom, like you know,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: if you're an any gram person, my mom is an
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: anagram eight and she's also under five foot.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, when did you when did you
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: outgrow her?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: In hythe Oh, that's actually a good question. I think
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: about fourth grade. I probably was ten years old and
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: was taller my mom. I'm pretty confident that that. Yeah, oh,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: she at least by fourth grade. Maybe it might have
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: been earlier. It could have been like third grade, but yeah,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: for sure, by fourth grade, I was definitely like taller
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: than five.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Foot jos.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: Anagram eight woman with like a Napoleon complex. It's like, yeah, there,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: there's like no way they could they There's no way
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: they could have ever been complimentarians.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: Mason.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: My mom was the complimentarian Mason.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: This is this is not for the podcast, but if
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: it makes it, I don't care. I'm going to make
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: your mom a gavel that says speaker of the House.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, she would love that so much.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: I hope she would use it too. I think she would.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: I'll carve it up. I don't know what she's gonna eat,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: what for what purposes she'll use it for.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: I'll to display and then to beat you when you
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: come home. I supose, I don't know.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: That's probably what it's gonna end up.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, my experience with this album, okay, I
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: have like some caveats here. The first one is that
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: I really did not want to like this album when
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: I when it first came out. The biggest reason was
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: because I was I was always the contrarian. I was
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: like the enneagram for in this case, where I was like, oh,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: the normies like it, I don't want to like it.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: Like that was like my first like prickly response. And
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: then I heard like Aaron's voice and I was like, nah,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know, that's kind of soft. Who wants that?
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: And then as you get listening to it, after I
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: steal Mason's CD that he cried about for years and
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: I didn't tell him for like another ten years later
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: on I finally realized, probably like mid to late high school,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: that I did like this album. It is it is
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: worth listening to it. It is worth the respect that
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: it got in the time. So and still to this day.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: I think for me, I I love this record. You know,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: it's the one thing about Salt State in particular, more
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: so than Tooth and Nail, even though they're you know,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: under the same umbrella, Salt State had a lot of
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: monumental releases even before this record, and that's and I
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: think that's part of the reason why if you if
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: you think back on record labels that were around back then,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: whether it was Trustkill or Ferret, Salt State's the only
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: one that's still around. And I think it's a true
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: testament as to the fact that they just kept dropping
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: like just monumental record after monumental record, and not only that,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: it helped actually push forward heavy music in general, not
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: just for like you know, the Solid State and Tooth
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: and Nail kids, not just for the Christian scene, but
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: just for like the heavy scene in general. And so
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: that being said, I just thought it was really well done.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is something what they were doing had
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: already been done, but it was just done so well
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: that they just did it better than everybody else, to
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: be honest, you know, like I loved you know, like
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: Finnish Statical by all those bands, you know, growing up
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: senses fail, but these guys just did it better. And
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: so I think if that album were to come out now,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: I would still listen to it, but I mean it's
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: but back then, I mean it was just so monumental
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: and I would also say that, so back then I
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: would say that definitely was s t here and nostalgia aside,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: I would I would still actually say it's st here.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this album to me is they they well
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: you you're saying that, you know, there were other bands
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: that were doing what they were doing, and you know,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: I'll give credit to those bands. I do think, you know,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: listening back to this album, there are a few bands
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: that are able to make emo riffs, legitimate emo riffs
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: that you would hear from Jimmy World, sound as heavy
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: and get people like like hundreds of people in a
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: mosh pit together right like that. Just they were able
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: to do that, They were able to make that sound
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: and that's incredibly impressive, and I just I still to
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: this day. It's kind of hard to believe that this
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: little band from Florida that was basically a black metal
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: band just a few years prior, was able to come
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: up with this album and change the course of heavy
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: music history. I I just I can't imagine any other
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: way of like understanding that history of that music at
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: that time. Like they really truly changed the car I
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: mean they were, they were headlining Warped tour, Yeah, for
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: multiple years. You know, they they had you know, obviously
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: it wasn't this album, but they had an album that
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: went number two on the Billboard behind Nelly for Frutado
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: or whatever her name is. I always forget how to
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: say it. It's just that blows my mind, blows my nine.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: Like that just it's hard to believe that any that heavy,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: that's primarily screaming and literally a hardcore album, especially with
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: Define the Great Line, a hardcore album is able to
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: get to number two on the Billboard charts. That just
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: blows my mind. And I don't know if we'll ever
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: see it again. The closest we've probably ever seen since
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: then is maybe not loose in terms of hardcore.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: That's I was gonna say, I was gonna say, imagine dragons, but.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, get out of here. So it's just but their
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: ability to go from like an emo album that has
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: just these great emo riffs to a hardcore album that
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: also has these great emo risks, it's just it's unbelievable.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: Their their talent is next level. I think I think
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: my appreciation for under Oath has even grown. I think
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: this was an S tier album even in two thousand
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: and four, and they were my first love. I often,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: you know, we make a running running gig about how
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: the Chariot is my favorite band of all time. My
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: favorite band before the Chariot became my favorite band was
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: under Oath without a doubt out like and There's a
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: reason for it, and it was an us here album
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: back then. And I think this, I think over the
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: last twenty years has just grown my appreciation for how
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: good this band is and how good they were then
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: and how much they've influenced the trajectory of music, even
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: heavy music, to this day. So I think it's still
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: s tire, like you still people, you still cure people
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: that are really great bands right now that are just
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: coming up, Like that are some of the great bands
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: that are coming up and they're like, Yep, I wouldn't
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: be a band if it weren't for their only chasing safety. Clearly,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: it had a mark in this industry, in this music scene,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: and so I just I can't imagine that not being
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: an s here. It literally changed the scene that we're in. Yeah,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: there wouldn't be a tooth and nail, there wouldn't be
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: a solid state the way that we understand it without
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: this album.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, completely agree.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love this record. I think I think that
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: it it's a record that shows that if you make
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: pop songs that are well constructed, that have great dynamics
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: and it's well executed, it will be a success period.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: Because that's what these are. These are just straight up
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: pop songs. I mean, there's there's nothing else in the
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: way of saying it's not I mean they are.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: They're straight up pop songs that have like dissonant.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: Chords exactly what I'm talking about.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: And it's just super heavy, you know at times even
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: like probably I mean certainly drop D, but even potentially
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: lower tunings than that. It's just like, but these are
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: pop songs. Yeah, and they nailed it, yep. And there's
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: very few bands that have even come close to being
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: able to try to even replicate that. Yeah yeah, so
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: uh to me, absolutely an S tier album through and through.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: Are you guys putting up S t here? Uh?
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have to. I would have said s
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: t here both in two thousand and four and today, so.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: Agreed, Yeah, s t Here.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know if we'll get any other S Tiers.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: I think we'll be coming close, but here then s
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: Here today. There's a reason why they're doing a worldwide
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: tour on this album right now. I mean it really
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: truly changed music history in my opinion, so they're only
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: chasing safety. Probably the brightest spot of two thousand and
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: four for all of Tooth and Nail, not just Solid State,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: all Tooth and Nail all right, next one number of
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: months later, I didn't realize this that Solid State had
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: a really big gap. So they had like basically five
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: albums in this like three month gap, and then they
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: take like a four month gap or there's like four
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: months where they didn't release anything, but the next one
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: is Showbred. No, sir, nihilism is not practical. I still
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: again to heartback. I mean it's two thousand and four
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: to me was like the year of steel Roots mouth
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: like a magazine coming on on steel Roots and I see,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: you know, like the first part of that song and
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: you see these like painted black nails playing guitar, and
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what the fuck is this? And You're just
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: like and then you see seven guys in a band,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: You're like, how how is this even like economically viable?
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: And it's just nuts? And then you hear Ivory.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: Then you hear Ivory. Yeah, You're like, what in the world.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: It's just everything about it is just like how what
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: what is going on here? And yet they just they
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: made it make sense. I don't know how. I don't
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: know how to describe it. What a bop in two
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: thousand and four.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: I think they have to be one of the top
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: five weirdest bands ever to exist, Like just as like
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: the collector that they are. They're just weird in so
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: many good ways.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: Weird band, Yeah, in so many different ways. It's a
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: great way to describe them. How about you?
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: Joh yeah? To me, I, I uh, it's it's kind
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: of funny. Like I did like the record back then,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: I would say I like it more now, oh yealy.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: I think I definitely in the early two thousands. Uh,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: you know, two thousand and three, two thousand and four
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: is probably when I don't want to say out grew
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: pop punk, but I just didn't really identify with it anymore.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: But to me, Showbren is very punk and it reminds
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: me a lot of like the Hives, the Bronx and
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. And but they just I mean kind
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: of like similarly to the Hives, you know, they're all
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: dressed up in uniform, you know. And I would say
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: that I appreciate it even more now. Lyrically, it's some
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: of the best lyrics I feel like, uh, because yeah,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: Josh doesn't mess around. You know a lot of people,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: you know, and rightfully so talk about Garrett Russell. But
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: before Garrett Russell, I feel like there was Josh dies
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: and and and he has some great, great lyrics that
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: I I think would push a lot of buttons today
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: now too, if they were still like an extremely active band.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: I know they do, you know, appearances once in a while,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I think back then I would have put
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: it at a C tier and now I would probably
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: put it at A. I would probably put it at
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: A at A at a B tier. They're not a
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: band that I'm like huge into. But I think this
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: record is awesome.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I I understand what you mean. It's
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: it's awesome. It's uh, it's I just find it to
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: be such a creative outlet for a genre of music
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: that's been pretty well overdone. They kind of breathe new
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: life into it. They have their own take, like like
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: you said, lyrically, it's just it's so so much more
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: in depth and so much more mature than just about
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: any other record that comes out in two thousand and four,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: especially under the solid State tooth and Nail label. Are mature?
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Have really anything bad to say about it other than
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: that it's maybe a little too long of an album.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: M you know, there's some fluff that I don't admit,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: but not much.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree with that assessment of the album. Yeah.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: For me, this album is.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: Do we want to play a song? Yeah?
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do a song? So and I know we
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: didn't do a song for under Oath, but you know,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: I just feel like there's no there's no song that's
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: needed for that. I mean, it's so good, but yeah,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: is there like a show bred song from No Sir
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: that it is worthwhile? For us to listen to.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: I feel like, if we really want to get a
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: feel of what the album is like, I think one
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: of the first two songs would be good because Mouth
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: like a Magazine, I feel like was one of the
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: two poppier songs on the record.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: For sure. I do think like Dead like Dead by.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: Dawn Yep, that's the second one.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: Is a good representation. Yeah, I do think that that's
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: a that's a great song to that represents I think
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: most of the album just gonna pull up here, all right,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: all ready, yep, all right.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: You know, I listened to this album I don't know
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: how many times, but this is the first time I've
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: kind of recognized that the guitar work is very blind.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: What's really cool too, is they worked with Sylvia I
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: think Bassi or Massey, and she worked with like Tool
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: and a bunch of like these like huge bands. I
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: don't know how they got the budget to work with her, but.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: I think they were. I think that Solid Stay was
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: worth going two thousands. We were trying to lose these
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: guys because they knew that it was a lot no
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: way to feel like working their balls off. I'd heard
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: this interview with somebody who choosing Yeah, but a andr guys.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: So basically, if you put in the world, we'll put
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: it into it. If you don't put in the work,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: we're not gonna do it. And I think that's a
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty good business model too, Like
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: if the band wants it and they're going to put
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: in everything that they got, it seems like it's the
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: kind of thing that would be worthwhile to put as
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: much into it as you possibly can, especially at that
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: time when they had the money.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: You know. One thing that put this album in a
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: different light for me is when we actually interviewed Josh
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: dies cullen and he mentioned how they were really trying
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: to just like rip off Refused and I'm a big
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: Refuse fan, and I realized at that point, I'm like, oh,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: that makes sense. It like I can see the direct
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: line from Refuse to this album, and that definitely put
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: it in a different light for me, where I think
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: for a while this album was starting to maybe lose
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: its luster where you know, I loved it in two
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: thousand and four, was starting to lose its luster, And
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: then I hear it from the perspective of oh, they're
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: really just like trying to do refused and Refuse being
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: like obviously it's super well respected, critically acclaimed kind of band.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: And that's when I was like, oh, wait, like that,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: I can see that happening, and I actually really respect
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: trying to do this, like, you know, trying to basically
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: create this refuse sound, and like why wouldn't you like
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: Refuse is great and you know I get it. So
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: that just put it in a little different light for me,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: where maybe it like slightly bumps it up after twenty
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: years of it probably losing a little bit of its
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: luster for me. So all right, well, what tier do
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: we think Showbread's noser nihilism is not practical should be up?
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, uh, for me in two thousand and four,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: it's probably a B, but I'm probably gonna have to
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: put it in an A for me.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: No interesting, Okay, A for Culin I would Yeah.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: For me, it's either a B or A. Like I said,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: I I this this album has actually grown on me
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: a lot more too with time, So I'd be fine
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: with either.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: Goda make a decision because I'm I'm decidedly in one
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: of them, and I need you to make a decision
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: A or B.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm back up my boy culling here, let's
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: do A.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: So a's here, okay, sick. I would have probably given
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: it an A in two thousand and four, and I
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: think now I would probably put it in a B. However,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: before the Josh Dies interview, I probably would have had
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: a C. So it went from A to C for
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: me over those years, and then the the interview. I
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: think just putting it in the light of putting it
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: within the context of refuse really actually really bumps it
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: up for me a little. And so I'm gonna put
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: it as a B. But we've got two a's, one B.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: That means it's gonna be an A. So I'll put
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: it in as an A just to appease the crowd.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: So all right, So we're actually now we've got an
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: album in every grouping. We've got an stier, we've got
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: an A tier, we've got two B tiers, a C tier,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: and a D tier. So we're pretty well rounded right now.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: And we've got two more albums left. So you're ready
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: for these last two albums. We're in the home stretching out.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, these last two are going to be tough but good.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: All right. So a couple weeks after show Brad release No, Sir,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: nihilism is not practical, we get he is legends. I
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: am Hollywood again. Another another album or another album with
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: the song that I saw on Steel Roots and specifically
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: the song the Seduction, and you just, god, like, what
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: a great music video. It's kind of like the like
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: the Puppets going on. You get the band kind of
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: playing in this like kind of dark shadowy where you
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: don't really get the full band typically, you just kind
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: of get like individual players of the band. Just a cool,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: interesting music video. And I just remember, even in you know,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: when it was that like fourth or fifth grade for me,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: I was like, whoa, what is going on here? So yeah,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: the Seduction really just like glued me to this band,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: and I just remember, like immediately it was like I
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: have to look up all their stuff on pure volume,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: on MySpace everything like that. So yeah, he like a
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: really really unbelievable album for me. What do you about
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: you guys?
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: Very unbelievable album as well. I love it. I think
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: Scholar Crum is the greatest entertainer maybe of all time
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: in terms of like stage presence I think his vocal
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: vocal quality and his choices vocally and melodically especially are
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: second to none. They are absolute master classes. In all that,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: I think the rest of the band is is in
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: some cases very very good and in other cases serviceable.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: The only thing about this record that I absolutely cannot
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: stand once again is the production. Oh my heavens, this
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: is a terribly produced record, and I know Adam D
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: did it, and he is hit or miss on whether
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: or not he hits or hit or misses. Now this record,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: song wise, it's one of the best out there in
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: the entire catalog of Tooth and Nail or Solid State,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: and I think it's only gotten better with time as
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: people revisit it. But gosh, can we please just get
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: a remaster because even on vinyl it sounds like it
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: sounds like it, it sounds like an MP three.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: It clips.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it was so much the productions
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: it was the mixing.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: To me, that just yeah, that's what I meant is
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: I think that's more of the lines I'm probably going.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: And I don't I don't know if that's Adam D's
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: probably rolling in the album.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know, My goodness, sounds.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: It is just it is and it actually does clip
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: a lot, like they have like some eight eights in there,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: and you could just I mean it just starts to crackle,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: and I'm just kind of like, how did you? How
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: did nobody catch this? I I would agree with you.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: The one point in which I would disagree is I
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: think the musicianship across the board is phenomenal. It's particularly
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: the rhythm section. I think Matt Williams is the most
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: underrated bass player in rock and uh like, he's he's
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: really good. And not only that, he doesn't need five six,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: seven strings like everybody does today. He just needs give
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: him a classic four string and he's gonna he's gonna
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: like blow your mind. Uh yeah, he's He's fantastic. Their
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: rhythm section. I remember, like back then, I was, you know,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: good friends with the City's Burned guys, and they were like, yeah,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: that they're the best on the tour that they did
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: with them. They were like, they're the best rhythm section
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: on this tour.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: And but yeah, Skyler like again, also he's just you
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: know how some people just have it and that's what
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: Skyler has. He just has that it factor. You could
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: tell that he's he's just got that rock star kind
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: of kind of vibe and uh and swag a little bit,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: Steven Tyler a little bit, Scott Wiland, yes, you know,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: just and but All Island's a good but at the
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: same time altogether very much his own. He's got his own.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: Like I mean, I hear a little seventies in there,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: a little eight ease, the little nineties, you know, nothing
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: after that, but but it's all that. But but he's
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: he is that after that, you see what I'm saying,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: So like ye, and then I would say this album
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: also introduced me to actually really digging low screams before
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: I liked mids and highs. And I love the fact
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: that it I mean this and the best way possible.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: I feel like when they did the lows on this,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: they were obnoxious, but I loved it, like because it
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: just it just it just I mean, like because I
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: would show it to people and then they would just
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: be like, why is he screaming like that? Like it's
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: just so low for no reason, Like this is not
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: like death metal, you know, this is not because I
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: feel like that's primarily where you usually find more of
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: the gut roles you know, and and so it just
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: and to me, similar to show Brett, It's like, this
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: is another band that does a really good job of
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: making it seem like they're not taking especially on this record.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: So uh s tier all around back then and now.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: S tier for you even wow. So this album for me,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I just Skyler to me is unfortunately maybe
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: one of the most underrated heavy vocalists over the last
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: twenty five thirty years. And I and I think I
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: think this album like magnifies that more than maybe some
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: of the other albums. But you just you listen to him,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: you especially if you watch him live, You're like, how
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: is this not? How is this band not as big
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: as System of Down or something like? To me, like
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: they they can catch like they can write really catchy riffs.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: Skyler obviously just as vocal talent is next level. They've
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: got unbelievable rhythm sections. Why did they not get bigger?
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: It blows my mind? So they obviously from their perspective,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: I think they feel like they really just like like
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: they made a mistake by signing to Solid State and
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: being associated in that Christian world and that limited them,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: and that could be that could be actually the story
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: that could be the narrative.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: Back then, it was much much, much, much much more conservative,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: and I think that the people that did listen to
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: them back then were maybe a little put off by
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: the fact that the content was maybe a little bit
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: too much, and they were also maybe not pushed as
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: well as they probably should have been by Solid State
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: also because of that, you.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, I think that's part of it. I mean,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: it is one of these things where it's like you
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: almost have to do like a bunch of like what ifs,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: because I do think bands like He Is Legend are
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: really great case studies around is this band as big
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: as they are because they were associated with the Christian
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: music industry? Or could this band have gotten bigger had
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: they not been I think, and that's a huge part
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: of this case study. Like there are some bands where
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: you're like this band does not deserve or like this
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: band should never have gotten or would have never gotten
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: as big had they not been associated with this industry,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: And then there are some bands where you're like, oh,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: they were absolutely limited by this industry, and that line
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: often is pretty fine, and I often wonder like is
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: he is Legend, Like the fact that like there were
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: thousands of people in the shed with us Cullin jamiing
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: out to I'm Hollywood. Is that is the fact that
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: they were assigned to solid State the reason why you
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: could get a couple thousand people in that shed or
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: could they have been not even at Furness Vest and
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: they could have been playing Lollapaluza or something had they
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: never been, Like that's just always going to be like
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: this sort of like what.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: I think, I don't know, Yeah, I think I think
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: there's two thoughts that I have. I think I think
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: that definitely plays a role. But they're also contrarians, so
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: because if you think about it, look at the way
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: that they reacted with their follow up record, and I
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: feel like, I mean they started going lower than just
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: drop c they you know, like with Mushroom River and whatnot.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: They also started bringing in much more of that Southern
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: kind of like Pantera esque kind of kind of thing
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: going on. It's like, Suck Out the Poison is very swampy.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: It's not as bright sounding and dare I say as
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: as almost like I love Suck Out the Poison, but
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: it's very groovy, but it's it's also very it's it's
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: it's it's kind of it's darker, you know. And and
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: I think, uh, and a lot of people the appeal
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: from the first EP and the first record. I think
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: where it was the fact that it was very like again,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: like they were really good at making it seem like
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: they didn't take themselves too seriously. But I know for
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: a long time they didn't play I Am Hollywood live
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: because they were.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: Just good or bitter.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: They were bitter about it. And and I get it, Like,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a song off of my band's first
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: album that I just don't I didn't really understand why
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: people liked it. I actually don't like that song like
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: at all.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: And can you tell us song yeh.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: See the World? Like you do? Not like that song?
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: The bridge is fine, but everything else surrounding it, I
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: just it's uh I anyway, so uh to me, like
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: I understand that, And uh, I do think Saul State,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: the Salt State thing has definitely I think that coupled
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: with you know, their reaction and their the way that
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: they responded with Suck Out the Poison was kind of like,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: you know, like those two things kind of did that
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: for them. But I would say that Endless Hallway is
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: a I mean, that's their latest record. It's fantastic. I
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: think it's their best record since I am Hollywood in
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: my opinion.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: All right, so I am Hollywood, Joe. It sounds very
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: clear as tier in two thousand and four, as tier
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: now for you.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, there's a reason why I bought a white
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: bass back then and I still have it, and that's
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: because of Matt Williams.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: So hey, I would have said a tier just because
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: of just you know, I was fourth grade and loving
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: anything that I'll say was putting out. And obviously there's
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: a reason why I loved songs like Seduction and I
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: Am Hollywood. But no, like going back now, especially being
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: able to recognize some of the production issues, I actually
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: would even put it a be tier Beard tier Beard Tier.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: So I do think that between all of that then
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: that I think that averages us out. So B tier
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: s tire and A tier, I think it averages us
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: out to an eightier, right correct, which I'm I'm totally
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: fine with a tier, fie. Feel fine for you, Joe?
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I wasn't. I didn't put the production
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: into consideration. Well, oh sorry, I thought I got kicked
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: off again. But if you know, considering that, then yes,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: I would put it at eight tier. So yeah, all.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: Right, good g tier it is calling. You're fine with
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: that because that's what you're putting at. So yep, great
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: eight tier. So they're only chasing safety at S tre
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: No ser nihilism is not practical, and I am Hollywood
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: at E tier, burning bridges and new medicines at B
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: tier and Summer of Darkness at S tier and then
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: the I'm already blinking on the.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: Album name meant dude tier death campaign.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: Officer negatives, the death camp.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: I kept on one was saying, I kept on, wanting
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: to say a praise chorus.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: Definitely not it literally not at all the same album.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: As they should be.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: All right, last one boys, you ready do it? Let's
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: do it? Okay, everything is alive, everything is breathing, nothing
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: is dead, and nothing is bleeding. By the Chariot and
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: very late actually two days ago, twenty years twenty years ago.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: From two days ago. I wait, I'm in the Chariot
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: Facebook group. Why nobody posted about this, did they? That
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: was the twentieth.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: Anniversary A bunch of amateurs.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: All right, well, I guess I'm gonna be posting something
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: here on the Facebook group here very shortly. Twenty years
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: twenty years this album is. Uh so here's the thing.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: I don't think this album had a music video, so
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: it wasn't an album that to me was like introduced
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: to me by wait, did it?
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: Did it? Did? Let's see here it's the one that
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: has like it's I think it's a black and white.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: I think it was for the company The Comfort.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: That came out later.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: I don't isn't that on Everything is Alive?
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: That well that that song is. But I think that
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: I think what you're saying here in terms of the like,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: I think it's almost like a music I don't think
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: that was an official music video video that.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: Came out like way later.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, my bad.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: I thought a dialogue with a question mark? Is that
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: the one that are you thinking of?
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's what it was, I thought, But I'm pretty
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: sure they had a video.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: For There is one here from eighteen years ago on YouTube.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: But I don't think this says final cut. I does
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: say from the chair, oh you're are whoa? Okay? So
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: I can't share uh, I can't share the the the
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: sound right now, but this is awesome.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: That's what this is. The company that the cover of
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: the Grape, that's what it was.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, supposedly so it said the Cherry dot Com Collins,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: So that's gotta be thing.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, this is what I was thinking of because yeah,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: they were wearing like the wigs and stuff like that.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mason, have you ever seen this?
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: Maybe if I have, it's been fifteen plus years.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: I have never seen this.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been on YouTube for eighteen years. Well, clearly
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: whatever if this music video actually did come out during
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: the record it was not on Steel Roots, so I
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: was not listening to this song on Steel Roots. And
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: I actually did not get introduced to this album in
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: two thousand and four, So I can't say did this
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: hit in two thousand and four? What I can't say
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: did this hit in two thousand and eight, because that's
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: when I became a huge Chariot fan. So I became
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: a huge Chariot fan. Yeah, when you and I first met,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: and like, what was that like two thousand and eight,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: So it was probably only four years later that actually
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: became a really big fan of this album. Now, granted,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: this album did come out in very late two thousand
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: and four, so really it probably was just maybe closer
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: to like three and a half years. But yeah, anyway,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: so this album two thousand and.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: Four, yes me or Joe oh I did back then.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: I definitely actually bought this album along with the Showdowns
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: a Chorus of Obliteration at the same time. Yeah, from
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: a Christian bookstore. And I went in there and I
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: asked if they had that, and they were like who,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: and because all they had was like all the B stuff,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: you know, easy b C be easy. Yeah, yeah, and
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: uh and they were like, oh, we actually had the
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: promo things. We're not supposed to sell it to you,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: but will sell it to you. And I was like, yeah,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: let's go. And so they so they sold me like
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: they gave it to me, like each of them for
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: like five bucks each and yeah, and I and I
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: and I got it. I got both of them, and
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: uh yeah. I had this weird fascination with the Chariot
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: and I and unfortunately I saw them live many times.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: I always respected them, uh, but unfortunately it didn't click
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: until they were long gone. So it's one of those
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: things where it's like, like I said, I saw them live,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: I owned all the records, and I they were kind
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: of like the casual like deepon Hunter listening fan for me,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: Like that's what I was with the Chariot. But I
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: think what the thing was that I was just really
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: I'm a metal head through and through, and so you know,
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: I mean this is more punkish hardcore stuff, you know.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: So I really respected it, but I think it didn't
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: really click with me until actually I was already working
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: at Google and this is back when, you know, pre
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty. So I had a couple of different monitors
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: and then my computer screen, and then I had I
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: would always watch live footage from bands, and I saw
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: live at Plan B in Moscow with the Chariot.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: Crazy and thats like when they said the record for
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: the Mutimer stage.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and and I don't know what it was, but
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: it's just something click to me. Where I realized that
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: the Chariot, I feel like, was at least to me,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: just kind of signified a lot of people would look
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: at it as a break or chaotic or angry or
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: this or that, or you know, maybe something a little
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: bit more aggressive or negative. Right. I actually realized that
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: I think what they achieved was sheer freedom.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, liberty, That's exactly what I equate with.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: Them, and it's just like it doesn't matter like how
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: you move, if you there's you know, just let it out,
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: everything you got, just leave it out there. And I
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: feel like it's a very it taps into a part
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: of the human psyche. So I'm getting all like philosophical here,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: but I feel like they're a band that taps into
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: that and very few bands do and uh, and that's
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: what makes them such a special band. And I think
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: once people realize that it's complete freedom, that's when it's
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: just like I don't know, yeah.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: Well to like kind of keep going along that thread, Joe.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: For me, Like you know, I've often I've been pretty
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: like pretty explicit and like vocal and and forward about
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: just like you know, I clearly my like faith and
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: politics and everything really changed for me. And I really
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: owe a lot of that to the Chariot. And even
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: though this is probably actually probably my least favorite Chariot album,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: even my least favorite Chariot album is probably gonna be
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: like an a tier kind of album for me. But
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: it's even though it's my least favorite Chariot album, it
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: what this album and just the Chariot in general does
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: for me is and and it's along with what you're
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: just saying this like complete freedom. And one of the
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: things that Josh would often say, especially towards the end
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: of their career, is this stage is your stage, right,
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: And for me, that totally changed the way I even
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: thought about like theology and politics around Like oh, wait,
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: like if if anybody could like be up here and
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: participate in this, what does that mean about how I
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: should think about the world, How should how should I
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: think about theology? How should I think about politics? Like
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 3: that just totally changed everything for me, Like if that
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: means that we're all participating in this together and and
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: we're all buying into this together. I was like, wait that,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: like that totally changes everything for me, and that that
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: was a huge key part of this for my whole
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: like change in my life of wait, if your stage
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: is your if if if this stage is your stage,
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: then like this actually completely like what what if it's
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: not just the stage? What if what if this world
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: is your world as well? Like oh, that like that
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: changed everything for me. So that that part of like
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: just this chariot sort of like ethics or ethos just
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: literally changed my life. Uh, And and that's why why
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: there there will be no other band that will be
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: more important in my life than The Chariot. And it's
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: really because of that, is they just had this ethics
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: and ethos that rivaled no other band at all.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, and and and I think it's so fitting
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: that the very last song that they that I mean
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: chronologically was ever released was Cheek you know. And it's
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: it's it's kind of and and so this is like
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: the very beginning of all that and uh and uh
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: you know. I would agree it's not my favorite Chariot
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: album by any means, but I think it's a very
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: important entry for uh solid state and also just uh
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: heavy music in general.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: I think I think this record in general, if we're
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: actually gonna like focus on the record itself and maybe
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: not so much just on the Chariot, I think that
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: there's there's so much to love here. And I will
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: admit that in two thousand and four, I said, what
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: that fuck is this?
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: Yep?
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: I don't get this at all?
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: I felt like I was looking at the audio version
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: of Jackson Pollock painting. I was just confused, right, Yep.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: Two thousand and five rolls along all of a sudden,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I kind of dig this. Two thousand
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: and six rolls along, I'm like, oh, I'm starting to
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: get this now for sure, especially as the next album
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: comes out, and I I have to admit, especially as
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: the next album comes out, bro on me year, especially
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: as the next album comes out, and it is it
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: is no longer at the bottom of the Chariot album
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: piled me.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: It's it's probably top three, which is especially wait what
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: comes out?
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: Wait. I think my appreciation for this album really grew
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: in probably like two thousand and nine. I think it
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 3: was like in ninth grade for Christmas, and I remember
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 3: I asked for this CD for for the Everything CD
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: for Christmas, and I remember getting it and I actually
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: I was in my uncle's basement. We were like opening
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: gifts with my own and so I remember opening this
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: gift and like opening up the CD for the first
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: time and then pulling out the little sleeve and then
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: reading through the sleeve and then seeing on the sleeve
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: and I had never seen this before that it said
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: that this album was not made with any sort of
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: like digital editing or whatever whatever it says on there, right, Yeah,
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: And I remember thinking to myself, Oh, I get it now,
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: Like I get why it sounds the way it sounds.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: And this only makes me appreciate this album even more.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: But it took me until getting the actual CD for
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: me to get that. And and so you know, had
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 3: I gotten this album even more for when I was
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: in fourth grade or fifth grade or whatever. I don't
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 3: know if I'm not in two thousand, but in ninth
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: grade at least when I was fourteen orpreciate this band
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: even more.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is fun because that's also an ethos that
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: that you know, Josh continues to espouse me that he
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: he spent what three or four minutes of it are
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: about talking about that at at Furnace Vestus here saying
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: that there's not a saying right everything that we're doing
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: up here is one percent human made.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: There is.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a human human centric thing. Yeah, Like
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: that's his whole thing right now. I mean I've seen
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: him say that before. I don't know if he said
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: it at the last Furnace Fast or if I've seen
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: him live at other sixty eight shows, but like it's
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: a whole thing for him right now, is like we're
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: making human made. I feel like and there's a whole
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: thing right now that that's not that's not what people
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: are doing and what we're doing that And I get that.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: I completely agree, and that's part of the reason why I,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: uh I enjoy The Chariot or sixty eight so much.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: And uh, I think what really helped me kind of
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: get into this album was the unsung EP that was
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: released in between Yeah, uh you know the two you know,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: the Fiance and this. But I think that kind of
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: helped me go back and say, okay, because some of
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: the songs were re recorded, right, and so it helped
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: me get it. Yeah, And and I think and like
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: I said, I think as I got older and whatnot,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: and and uh, I wanted to listen to heavy music
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: but just take a break from metal. That's kind of
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: where I started to naturally gravitate towards and uh. Although
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: I'm still like a riff guy through and through, like
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: I have an equal amount of appreciation for uh for
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: just this kind of like primal aspect that and it's
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: not like the beatdown stuff too, you know what I mean,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: Like it's this is still it's it's there's still this.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: Very it's slightly more high brow. Yeah, it's like highbrow
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: lowbrow at the same time, it doesn't make it.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's just uh yeah and and and and
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: it's to me, it really speaks to a part of
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: the human uh experience. And I feel like Josh has
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: always been able to do that, whether it was with
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: Less the Martyr, and he definitely continued it a lot
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: with this record, and I think I do need to
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: go back to it and listen to it, because you know,
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: we live in a day and age where I mean,
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: not even bass guitar is recorded anymore, it's programmed and
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: you know, and back then it so yeah, it's something
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: I need to to check out again. I would I love,
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: I do like this record, but I would still probably
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: put this at a B tier, And back then it
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: was at a C tier, And now I leould say
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: it's at a B tier now that I understand it
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: a lot more. But I do think that they really
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: grew into their own starting with their third album, Mace.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: Where do you put it or do you want to
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: have last word?
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: Thirty eight words?
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: You ready.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: Only got thirty eight words for you all ready? Yeah, Someday,
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: in the event that mankind actually figures out what it
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: is that this world revolves around. Thousands of people are
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 3: going to be shocked and perplexed to find out it
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 3: was not them. Sometimes this includes me.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: Is that the longest album title of all time? Or
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: has that been usurped? Now?
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: So supposingly on Wikipedia it's the thirteenth longest song title,
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: but there is a citation that is needed, which I love,
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 3: you know, I do remember like I think that was
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 3: like initially posted as like like the citation was like
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: a Reddit post or something like that. And that's what
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 3: I love most about that is, you know, probably Wikipedia
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: is like redd, it's not the credible source here, but
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: it does seem like plausible. I mean, that's a long
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: song title, Like that's gotta be a something.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's something that you could ease do
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: as a band these days, you know, just make a
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: super long album or a song title and then people
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: google what's the longest song title and then they find
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: your band. You know, we gotta we gotta start thinking
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: four D here a little bit more often, you know.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: All right, well, so so Joe, you're picking B tier.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: M hm, really.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: I am going to say in two thousand and four,
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: I would have said that this is C tier. In
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, I would have said B tier.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: In twenty eleven, I would have said A. And today
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say S.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: Wow, okay wow.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: I really had to think about that one, because I
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know, A. Yeah, I'm gonna it's S.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: It's S all right, you're going with S all right?
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: Uh So in two thousand uh and so here's the thing,
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: I did really get into the Chariot until like two
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 3: thousand and eight or two thousand and nine. I had
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: heard some of the songs from this album in like
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 3: two thousand and six or two thousand and seven. I
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 3: would say in two thousand and six or two thousand
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: and seven, when I first heard some of the first
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 3: songs off of this album, I would have for sure
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: gone like be R C tier. That would have rose
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: to for sure, without a doubt in two thousand and
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: eight or two thousand and nine to an S tier.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 3: For me, I do think as much as I really
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: appreciate this album, and funny enough, like I absolutely love
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 3: Jane Doe, and I feel like Jane Doe's kind of
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 3: like same kind of production quality.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. That's a good point.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 3: And I would still I would put Jane Doe as
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: an S tier without a doubt. I do think for
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: whatever reason, and I think mostly because I do think
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 3: it is Again you disagree, but I do think it
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 3: is the worst Chariot album. I do put it as
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 3: an A tier. So between an S tier, a B
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 3: tier and an A tier, we have a out as
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 3: an eighteen may.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: It be non today eleventh eleven, eighteen, twenty twenty four.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: Mason Menega, dost thou make the Chariot and A tier
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: instead of S tier? That is a decree to be
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: to be uh to be announced at from all rooftops.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 3: Of the black I'm not just a homer at the end.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: Of the day, I guess yeah, yeah, See.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 3: Everybody needs to know The Chariot isn't my favorite band
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  Speaker 3: at all times. I need you sometimes under oath is
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  Speaker 3: better to me.
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  Speaker 1: I need you to tell that to Josh Goggin's face
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 3: If we could get Josh Goggan on this podcast, I
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  Speaker 3: would absolutely tell them to tell him that what do
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  Speaker 3: we have to do on here?
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  Speaker 1: I just I can't even imagine what we have to
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  Speaker 1: do anymore? Like what friends do you have?
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  Speaker 3: We gotta like tie him up. It's got to be
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 3: a like acid situation.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure do an interview with this now.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe we gotta like be with metal sucks or something.
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  Speaker 2: I will say though, I mean, even though I put
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  Speaker 2: it at A at a B tier, I mean I
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  Speaker 2: do think that. I mean I would put probably the
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  Speaker 2: Fiance at B two. I just think this is a
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  Speaker 2: high B and Fiance would be at a low B.
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  Speaker 2: But after that, I feel like their final three records
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  Speaker 2: are all S tier for me personally interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, I would say, I would say one
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  Speaker 1: Wing Long Live Wars and and this record Alles Tears
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  Speaker 1: for Me, which is probably the highest concentration of S
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  Speaker 1: tier albums of any band, including the Beatles. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: a freaking huge Beatles fanatic, so uh for the catalog
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  Speaker 1: that I listened to, it's it's the highest concentration of
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  Speaker 1: S tier albums.
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  Speaker 2: Nice.
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  Speaker 3: And actually what's interesting is is and I think Eric
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  Speaker 3: mclanehan is the person that has like documented this that
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  Speaker 3: the Chariot out of like the top thousand or like
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  Speaker 3: the highest ranked albums of all time in terms of
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  Speaker 3: the metalcore category, has like all of their albums are
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  Speaker 3: in like the top thousand or something like that. I
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 3: forget exactly what that is, but like the Chariot has
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  Speaker 3: like some of the highest ranked or like highest rated
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  Speaker 3: albums of all time within their like specific niche, which
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  Speaker 3: is really really impressed.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: That is like considering this is a band from like
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  Speaker 3: Solid State that never actually got that huge, like literally
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  Speaker 3: their farewell to where they were playing maybe five hundred
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 3: cap rooms maybe intentionally. Yeah, like they they were never massive,
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  Speaker 3: and they're still considered like critically one of the best
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  Speaker 3: critically acclaimed kind of bands within like chaotic kind of metal. Ever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, And like I said, those three last
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  Speaker 2: three albums, I think that's when Wars came out and
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: I saw that music video for Daggers, like it began
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  Speaker 2: to click for me out I would.
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  Speaker 1: Say, yeah, that's a good point too. That was kind
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: of a turning point in my listenership as well, where
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is even better than before.
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  Speaker 2: This is crazy yep.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, metal core albums. So yeah, it's metal core
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  Speaker 3: albums ranking in the top one or sorry, top ten
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  Speaker 3: thousand overall albums and the Chariot is on there multiple times.
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  Speaker 1: Is light work around there?
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, like, no.
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  Speaker 1: There should be no no.
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  Speaker 2: I goodness, gracious, yeah.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: Goodness, how are things like about that?
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 3: For a year? For two thousand and four though, Okay,
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 3: so we've got an stier album that might be possibly
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 3: the greatest Tooth and Nail album of all time with
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 3: the nastier album, and then we have three A tier
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 3: albums and two B tier albums. So even though we
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  Speaker 3: started off a little slow because we only had like
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: a couple of bees and a C and a D,
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 3: we really finished way way better. So like the latter half, well,
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 3: I didn't realize like the chronology of the two thousand
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 3: and four albums for Salid State, but just the chronology,
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 3: it's like the first half of it was like, ooh,
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 3: this is a little rough, and then all of a
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  Speaker 3: sudden you get all these albums that are just some
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  Speaker 3: of the best albums that Solid State and Tooth and
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: Nail has ever put out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, again, a transitionary year too. I mean I feel
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 2: like you even look at as I don't know, I
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: just feel like, like I said, you have a combination
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: of an album that sounds a little bit kind of
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: demoish to you know, something that sounds amazing, you know,
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: they're only chasing safety, you know. It's Yeah, just seeing
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: that large pool just within you know, a span of
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: a year is pretty pretty nuts to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And I think, uh, you know, this
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: might sound I don't know, maybe this cliche. Maybe it's not.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. If you were to look through my
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: iPod at most listen to records in two thousand and six,
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  Speaker 1: let's say you're gonna see a lot of this album
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  Speaker 1: artwork on it.
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  Speaker 2: M m, yeah, like all of it. If this was
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and five, the one that would definitely take
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 2: the cake for me would have been at City's Burned Son.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: I love to get your darkest, but that's for a
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  Speaker 2: different episode.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, dog, we might just have to bring you on
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 3: for that one.
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's I think the other thing is like
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 3: two thousand and five. It's not like it's not like
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  Speaker 3: it slows down like the two thousand especially the latter
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 3: part of two thousand and four going into two zan
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 3: and five. Holy yeah.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: I I suggest that we only have Joe on for
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: these episodes and for the future.
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: Shit, I'm down.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 3: I agree. Well, there's a reason why we asked you, Joe, because, uh,
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 3: you know, I I remember, like a month or so ago,
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 3: reached out to Colin. I was like, all right, hey,
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 3: I've got this idea around doing like tier kind of
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 3: ranking episodes. I was like, let's do a solid State one.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 3: And I was like, who knows solid State better than us?
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 3: And immediately we both thought joke.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully, hopefully I wasn't annoying about it.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: But no, you're You're perfect.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Joe, if you could get paid for your
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 3: knowledge of solid State records, you would be richer than
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 3: Elon Musk.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, get this, Mason did not know that there was
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: a music video for the Everything album and you pointed it.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 3: Out and you did.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: I I thought Mason had seen every single second of
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: every single thing the Chariot related, including every single live
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: video taken by every Joe Blow out there, and you
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: you still figured out a way to one up.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 3: And yeah, Joe Blow, is that Joe right there?
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: That's right capital B on that point.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: He ain't blowing. He ain't blowing nobody.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 3: But yeah, all right, well, Joe Blow, thank you so
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 3: much for hanging out with.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: Them, dude. It's always a pleasure to hang out with
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: you guys, and just and and actually to hear like
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: your guys' personal connections to these albums. So yeah, if
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: you guys want to have me back on again, I
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: would absolutely love doing this. I had a great time.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, Well we're we're in late November, so guess
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: what's gonna happen in twenty twenty five. We're gonna be
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 3: in the twentieth anniversary of two thousand and five albums,
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 3: and there's a whole slew of those that we got
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 3: to go through too, So.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: It's not a two and a half hour episode like
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: this one was, though yeah, good, we might we might
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: have to trim it down just a little bit.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 3: So anyway, thank you guys so much that this is
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 3: such a fun kind of episode to do, because again,
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 3: we just get to reminisce about some of our favorite albums.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 3: So hopefully we can do this soon for twenty and five,
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 3: two and six and some of the other years that
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 3: have just really shaped us, especially for for Solid State
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 3: and uh and if you all as listeners really like
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 3: this kind of episode, we could definitely do a ranking
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: of like Toothnail albums and you know, all the other
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 3: kind of record labels that we're really into so right work.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. And if you disagree with any
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: of our rankings, let us know that's always kind of
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 3: fun to know, to disagree with each other, you know,
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 3: especially in this political climate. Uh you know, join us
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: over at a blue sky. We actually don't even have
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 3: a luseky ago, but you know where where freedom of
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 3: speech actually rains.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: Just kidding, So all right, I'm on truth Social So.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 3: Guy, he has ever heard MySpace? The algorith There's no algorithm,
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: literally no algorithm. All right, thank you all, guys, cheers.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Hollywood.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: I'm Hollywood.