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Garage Heroes in Training (Crossover, Part 2) · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  From the great halls of their house, there are assembled three who hope
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  to one day be the world's greatest driving heroes created from the cosmic
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  legends of the universe comes our team captain, the Vision Bill Fisher.
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  There soon to be Wonder Woman, Vicky Fisher, our Captain Marvel and Headlight
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  trainee, Jennifer Scri, jock, and our Batman, the master of tools,
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  gadgets, and all things mechanical.
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  Our mild-mannered.
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  Soon to be billionaire, Alan Danvers their mission to fight injustice,
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  share what is right and wrong to get you out of your house and come out
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  racing with them and serve all mankind.
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  They are the Garage Heroes in training team.
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  Welcome to the Garage of Training podcast.
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  I'm gonna be one hosts for this episode.
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  My name is Bill.
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  Who else is hosting?
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  I'm Vicky.
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  You are, you almost sound like you're awake.
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  I'm so tired today.
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  I'm so tired today.
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  But it's good.
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  I I am here and I'm ready for it.
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  Hi, miss Vicky.
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  We have guests.
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  Yes, guests.
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  We have two guests now.
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  We're, we're, we're, we're playing one-on-one.
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  We're not no longer, you know, able to double team or anything,
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  but they have a podcast.
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  They sent us the best email invite ever.
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  Very jealous did they?
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  Very jealous.
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  Uh, which I stole liberally.
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  Thank you.
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  Very much.
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  Changed it edited, but I paid tribute to, they have the weirdest episode numbering
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  convention ever for their podcast.
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  And we have a weird episode named Numbering podcast, but they also have
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  the most swag I have ever seen, and you know how much swag I like to have,
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  and they easily double or triple me.
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  In addition, they have so many sponsors.
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  They make us know that we are doing something wrong.
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  With that, we have two of the hosts of the Break Fix podcast
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  from Grand Touring Motorsports.
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  We have the crew Chief Eric Host and Brad Host.
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  Welcome to the podcast guys.
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  Thanks for having us guys.
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  Yeah, thank you.
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  This is the Boomerang episode.
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  Uh, we did one with your home court and now we get to subject
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  you to our remain stupid questions.
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  So strap in.
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  It's the other side.
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  Before we start off, Eric, what is your last name?
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  Oh, you don't, you don't want that on Airs monstrosity.
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  Monstrosity and of course, Brad Novak.
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  Yep.
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  Um, it, it's, is it, is it long, is it awkward?
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  Is it It's unpronounceable long, so we'll leave it there.
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  It's easier to remember that way.
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  Okay.
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  All right.
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  Sounds good.
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  Remember, remember when we started off before talking like, do you want
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  to go through first names or not?
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  We said no, but Hey, I, so you can edit this out.
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  I also don't give out my last name on air because of opsec, something that
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  Bill should be very familiar with.
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  Indeed.
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  Oh, what's that?
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  Operational security?
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  Yeah.
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  Oh, okay.
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  Okay.
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  There you go.
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  You will very rarely see it anywhere, especially, especially
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  if you have a, uh, unique name.
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  My name is so common they can't find me.
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  Okay.
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  All right, gentlemen, we have some simple questions.
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  Because we're simple people.
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  One of them that's a little confusing when you first try to figure it out is
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  what exactly Grand Touring Motorsports is.
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  It's so many things to so many people.
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  It is.
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  It's like it's all things to all people.
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  It is.
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  It's like it could be a Frisbee or it might be a restaurant flavor of ice
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  cream, whatever you prefer it to be.
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  Exactly.
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  So I think we need to take a trip down memory lane, and for those of you out
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  there listening, To this episode and haven't, you know, taken the time to
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  look at our first or second, or third or maybe entire first season where we
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  kind of outline what G T M is all about.
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  I will fast forward you through all this.
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  I'll give you the bluff, the bottom line up front.
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  We started almost 20 years ago, and it's original form and it's
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  modified many times since then.
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  It was an Audi group.
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  It was this, it was that.
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  We sold parts, you know, all these kinds of things, but we've always
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  been in the motor sports world.
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  We just celebrated our eighth birthday, our eighth anniversary as G T M, as
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  the current guys that it's in today.
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  Eight years ago, we decided as a ragtag bunch of track rats to get
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  together and start at a car club.
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  You know, trying to keep.
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  Technology in our back pocket, keep it, and also to our advantage, trying
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  to connect people and say, Hey, where track of it are you gonna be at next?
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  Where are you going?
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  How are you doing?
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  You know, do you need help?
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  All these kinds of things.
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  What should I buy?
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  You know, that's one of our favorite sub arcs on the show.
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  So the club has ebbed and flowed over the years.
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  It's grown.
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  We've divested into a million different things, you know?
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  Now the club itself is just known as the clubhouse.
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  It's its own separate, you know, entity on the web.
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  We started Paddock Pal, which is a track site assistant because
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  many of us are instructors.
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  We started the National Motorsport Safety Association.
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  We started Break Fix.
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  We have our store site, as you alluded to in the intro, which is called Schwag,
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  spelled S C H W A G, to make fun of the Schwab and tools that are out there.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And there's a bunch of other things on the horizon.
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  So if you kind of look at G T M, it went from a bunch of car enthusiasts
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  to as close as we can get to a media group without going over.
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  Yes.
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  Because it, it's kind of when, you know, you know, but when you try to
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  digest it without like the guided tour, it's, it's a little overwhelming.
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  Yeah, that's right.
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  So, you know, even the, and even the show itself, we wanted to do it years
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  ago and, and like we talked about on our crossover episode, you know, you
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  guys got a couple years on us, we had been talking about doing a podcast and
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  Brad would always say, uh, who the hell wants to listen to what we have to say?
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  Exactly.
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  So that kept us in the written word for quite a long time.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So we were writing articles, you know, trying to be the next
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  jalopnik, all that kind of thing.
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  And if you go back into the archives, there's like over 300 articles
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  that we had written, you know, from technical to field trips to weekend
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  recaps and all this kind of stuff.
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  And so eventually, you know, like, Like everybody, every
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  other two white guys in America.
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  During Covid, we started a podcast and so our idea for season was to introduce
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  ourselves to the world with our voices.
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  And then we progressed into this idea that everybody has a story.
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  We realized very quickly through some friends, especially one of them that
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  recently passed, he kept saying, you know, there's all these stories that
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  get told in the paddock that we hear about on the weekends and you get
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  sick of hearing them, but they only get told in a microcosm of the world,
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  you know, of the motorsports world.
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  And so we decided, let's get those stories out there, let's get those two,
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  our growing audience and to folks like yourselves and say, Hey, there's some
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  really interesting stuff out there that you may or may not have heard of before.
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  Yeah.
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  But we've noticed that cuz we've had a few people on and, and sometimes even though
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  they're just, you know, huge amounts of information and assistance they can give.
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  Sometimes you just wanna have a, a story time with whomever you're talking to cuz
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  they just have stuff that if you don't.
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  Record it.
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  It just kind of goes away after a while.
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  Exactly.
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  And unfortunately the track world is so transient.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  We say all the time that it is a sport of convenience, not of loyalty.
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  And so you look at any of these providers, whether it's h hpd junkie.com
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  or Track Shaker or whatever, and you're looking for your next track
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  event, you're looking at what.
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  Fits my calendar, what fits my schedule.
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  You don't care if it's Chin or h o d or s e c a or whoever.
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  So you show up.
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  Maybe you make fast friends, maybe you don't.
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  So our idea was always to continue to spread motorsports, enthusiasm,
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  and keep all these folks connected.
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  Let's go together.
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  Hey, we're gonna take a road trip to, you know, NCM or to Barber or Rhode Atlanta.
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  We've done all these in the past, and we go together and you see us, you know,
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  convoying down the highway, you know, with cars and trailers and everything.
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  And so that's what's made it fun over the years is all the crazy
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  adventures that we've gone on.
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  But to your point, we saw that as people transitioned away from the
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  hobby, a lot of those stories walked, walked away with him and we said,
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  Hey, do you remember when Bob was here and he used to tell us about blah?
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  Darn, we missed that.
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  So we're trying to recapture some of that in, in what we're doing.
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  We originally started trying to, uh, trying to, uh, show almost like a personal
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  blog for the team, what we were doing.
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  And then we realized that, you know, it's even more important to get those
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  stories from our guests sometimes.
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  Cuz you know, a lot of people don't realize how much fun they are or
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  how, how helpful they could be or, or how silly they might be.
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  Cuz you know, we're not the only people who do things wrong racing.
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  So.
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  Yep.
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  So the little, the little known fact, the trivia part of this.
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  Going back to your original question about who we are, many people in
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  our circle might know this answer.
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  You know, how old is G gtm?
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  It goes back to our first day of high school.
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  Brad sat behind me in class.
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  We were put in alphabetical order and that's how we met.
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  And Brad, do you want to tell the rest of that story how it goes?
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  Uh, I mean, I'll paraphrase, but basically I just, I had to ask you about your
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  father's nine 11 because I kept hearing it every single day when he would drop
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  you off for school and it was the most amazing and awful sounding car I think
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  I'd ever heard all at the same time.
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  And I was like, what is the deal with that nine 11?
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  I mean, the super traps are amazing and awful at the same time.
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  That's all I'm gonna say.
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  Nothing like a straight pipe, nine 11 reverberating off of old brownstones.
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  Mm-hmm For sure.
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  Indeed.
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  I think it probably was good that, uh, you were sitting in front of Brad, cuz you
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  might not have seen the board behind Brad.
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  That is 1000% true.
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  He clocks in at six four.
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  So, ah, I was in six four in high school though.
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  I was only like five nine or five 10 in, uh, freshman year.
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  I was still shorter than you.
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  So it's all good.
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  Ah, yeah.
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  As were most people.
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  But we lovingly refer to him as the Viking, and that's also the name of his
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  blog was The Viking Line, and there's a story behind that he can probably share.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  We were at v i r South South course, right?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And, uh, my a b s sensor failed and I hit the brakes and they locked up,
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  which I wasn't, you know, accustomed to.
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  And I went straight from whatever turn it was and basically just drove
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  all the way down to Oaktree and I cut out probably 20% of the track.
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  So they, they dubbed that the Viking line, it's the, the fastest, the fastest,
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  uh, the fastest line between two points.
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  That's correct.
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  And we also have an annual award known as the Viking Off-Road
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  Adventurer Award in honor of Brad.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Oh, aw.
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  So, uh, when did you start the podcast?
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  The, our, our anniversary is June the 25th of 2020.
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  Oh, okay.
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  And so we've just celebrated two years.
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  Aw.
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  The yeah.
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  Episode, which was awesome.
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  Yes.
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  And you guys inspired us, you know, since, since you liberally, you know, copied
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  our intro emails, you know, we figured we could copy one of your episode formats.
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  It's, it's way too much fun not to.
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  Why start the podcast?
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  Because we sort of saw the writing on the wall, pun intended, you know, as
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  amateur journalists, you know, writing all these stories, we weren't seeing the
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  same kind of trends and traffic that we wanted to see out of the written word.
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  And a lot of our members, you know, we're a hundred members strong, now we know
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  we've, again, we've ebbed and flowed.
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  They kept saying, I'd really love to hear these stories as I'm driving to
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  work, rather than reading about them.
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  I just don't have the time.
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  And so that was nagging at us for a while.
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  And you know, we're always cautiously optimistic when we take on a new
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  project and then once the wall goes over, it's just pretty much full send.
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  So during Covid, we pretty much had no excuse.
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  We're all sitting around on our hands going, the tracks are closed,
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  especially here in the D M V, you know, our home track of Summit Point.
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  We can't do anything.
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  We can't go anywhere.
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  We're not allowed to go to New York.
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  You know, all this kind of stuff.
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  So Brad said, let's just get it done.
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  And we, we did a couple pilots.
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  Uh, one of them went in the trash, one of them is available on YouTube as the
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  original episode Zero on Eric Pilot.
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  And then we got organized very quickly, you know, took inspiration from some
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  other shows, yourselves included.
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  And we have some mentors out there and we said, let's go e either
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  we're gonna do this or we're not.
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  Yeah.
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  And it all, and, and I was gonna say, and also before we started the
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  podcast, we, in order to stay connected with the club members and everything,
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  we had a series of just happy hour events, virtual Zoom, happy hours.
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  And they were, they were a lot of fun and a lot of like, good stories and a
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  lot of good banter going back and forth.
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  And I was like, we should probably record this or stream it or something, you
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  know, put it out for the club members that didn't actually sign on to hear.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Uh, and then we were like, well, we can turn this into actual content
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  that somebody wants to listen to.
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  And it worked out.
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  So far, it's working out.
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  Do you enjoy it?
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  You know, I do.
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  I actually maybe sadistically I enjoy the editing more than I
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  enjoy the recording sometimes.
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  Yeah.
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  He enjoys the technical, the technical aspects of it.
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  That's, that's his bread and butter.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  It is, it is a, it is a constant social outlet, which is also good.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Um, depending on what your job is.
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  Um, and definitely keeps you connected.
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  Um, what are some of the goals, um, long term for your pod?
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  So, do you remember that game on the price right, where you had the
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  mountain climber that would kind of go up until you told it to stop?
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  Yeah.
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  Well, the same is sort of true of our plan.
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  We have this whole Mount Everest sort of metaphor where we've put
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  certain guests up at the tippy top and we're, you know, we're at base
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  camp, we're still working our way.
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  And so we're trying to play this Kevin Bacon game to be like,
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  well, if we get this guest, then what does that guest get us?
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  And you know, the Red Paperclip thing like was on Craigslist or Facebook years ago.
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  It's the same idea.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So for me, the end goal is I wanna sit down and have a
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  conversation with Michelle Mutton.
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  She's one of my heroes.
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  You know, I'm a wrc Group B, you know, that's my number one
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  passion followed by TransAm Anda.
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  And so, We haven't gotten there yet.
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  We're gonna get there.
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  We see the light, but there's a lot of people along the way.
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  You don't just go to the top of Mount Everest and say, all right, cool.
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  We're done.
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  Have a nice day.
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  You know, there is the trip down, but we don't ever wanna
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  really come down, so, mm-hmm.
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  We're sort of taking the zigzag approach to get there.
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  But in reality our, I think one of the bigger goals is to reach.
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  All the different disciplines.
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  We haven't gotten there yet, right?
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  We're still looking for people in, in nascar.
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  We're still looking for people that are doing rally.
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  We're still looking for other folks that are out there.
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  Cause we wanna connect them.
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  We want the, the vehicle enthusiast, right?
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  That's the term.
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  The vehicle enthusiasts, whether you're into boats or airplanes or
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  ATVs or cars to understand, there's so many other opportunities to enjoy,
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  let's call them petrol powered or even electrically powered vehicles, right?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And go have fun with your friends and explore that.
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  So that's still the underlying mission is to spread motorsports, enthusiasm.
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  That's what GTMs been about for the last eight years.
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  So, you know, we'll see where that goes.
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  Right, Brad?
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  Uh, yeah.
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  And I mean, your, your mount adverse is a little different than mine.
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  I actually want to talk to, The Clarkson Hammond or May, I don't care which one.
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  So, so they're, they're on my mount.
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  I don't know how we're gonna get to them because I don't, I don't know
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  how many hundreds of degrees of Kevin Bacon we need to go through
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  to get there, but, oh my gosh.
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  I mean, maybe Rob Hollins got a connection there.
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  One of our former guests, he does have, he, he is trying to line up a
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  date with Patrick Dempsey, though.
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  That is, that's, you know, that's not quite Mount Everest,
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  but we're getting close.
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  I'm looking for a date with Patrick Dempsey, but it's not the kind of
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  date that Eric's talking about.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Very well.
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  McDreamy Mcy.
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  So, um, you, you, you kind of got to something we were gonna talk about later.
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  How do you feel about the, it seems like the, the harder core car
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  people tend to use ways of division as opposed to ways of addition.
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  Yes, I, I would agree with that statement.
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  Um, but, you know, recommendations go a long way.
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  So as Brad has always said, he's like, you know, you're just like your dad.
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  You're, you're super well connected in, in the community.
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  And it's partially because of the time I grew up in Motorsports, you know, coming
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  up through P c a, the Porsche Club of America and things like that, and, and
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  people that were involved, you know, in the founder's region and, and and whatnot.
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  But also just being in the racing community since I was a kid.
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  And so you meet a lot of people.
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  I mean, spoiler alert, this will come out after it airs.
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  But, you know, I've been friends with, I, I have the privilege to say I've been
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  friends with Andy Pilgrim for years.
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  And so making that phone call, it took me a minute to say, are we there yet?
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  Is he going to say no?
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  And no he didn't.
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  He said, yes, absolutely.
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  Let's sit down, let's have a chat about, you know, his past.
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  And we had a lot of fun recording that with him.
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  And it's always a pleasure to get together together with Andy.
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  And we see him at SRO events and things like that.
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  So the question is, You know, it becomes political at that point, right?
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  Do you go to Andy and say, Hey, well you know, you know these people.
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  Can you hook me up?
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  And so that's always a really awkward conversation unless it
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  comes up in conversation, right?
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  And they bring it up.
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  So I know, you know, John Jones, you're like, oh, that's awesome.
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  That sounds like an amazing story.
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  Do you mind, you know, making that introduction?
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  And a lot of people will say yes.
• 18:11
  So I think that's how you get around the addition versus the division
• 18:14
  at that point is building your credibility, not coming off like you're
• 18:19
  trying to sell 'em something, cuz we're not, we're there to help them.
• 18:22
  We're, we're there to help shepherd their story and get it to ears that have never
• 18:26
  heard, you know, Andy's origin story or some of the other folks that we've
• 18:29
  interviewed and, and some of the ones, I won't spoil them that are coming out.
• 18:33
  And that's just super helpful.
• 18:36
  Mm-hmm.
• 18:37
  It's, it's, you know, everybody's like, you know, you're trying to push
• 18:43
  stuff on the podcast, and I'm like, well, if we made a dollar, that would
• 18:46
  be the first dollar, you know, and even if we do, it's only gonna make
• 18:52
  us dig the hole slightly slower.
• 18:54
  It's not gonna, you know, this is not a money making venture.
• 18:57
  So anyway.
• 18:59
  Mm-hmm.
• 18:59
  That is, that is a challenge I think, for every creator out there, whether
• 19:03
  you're a journalist, a podcast, or an artist or otherwise, is establishing your
• 19:08
  foothold and getting people to just go, we love what you're doing, keep doing
• 19:12
  it, and, and sending you money, right?
• 19:14
  Mm-hmm.
• 19:15
  Brad and I have struggled for a long time to say, are we providing
• 19:18
  enough value to our members?
• 19:20
  Are we providing enough value to our listeners and especially
• 19:22
  to our Patreon subscribers?
• 19:24
  So we hope so.
• 19:26
  We think that sometimes we're well over our skis and maybe it's too much.
• 19:29
  And to your point, they're drinking from a fire hose and they're not
• 19:32
  understanding what's really going on.
• 19:34
  And that's why we've unfortunately had to like divest at least some of
• 19:37
  our web properties to make things more clear as to what the message is.
• 19:41
  So when you're on Paddock Pal versus Nimsa versus the clubhouse, you know exactly
• 19:45
  where you are and why you belong there.
• 19:47
  But asking for money is always tough and we do appreciate it.
• 19:51
  You know, we never ask any of our guests for sponsorship or anything like that,
• 19:55
  and if something comes of it, so be it.
• 19:56
  That's amazing.
• 19:57
  You know, it's kind of icing on the cake, but we truly do do this because we
• 20:02
  love it and we're passionate about it.
• 20:03
  And unfortunately I don't have any other hobbies.
• 20:05
  So cars are, are my lifeblood.
• 20:08
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:08
  Yeah.
• 20:09
  So, uh, when it comes to Patreon, how did you get involved with that?
• 20:14
  It was recommended to us by some other folks, and we took a look at what some
• 20:19
  of the other podcasters and other people that we knew in the community were doing.
• 20:23
  We asked around, and many people were like, Patreon's the way to go.
• 20:26
  Just get it up there, get it out there, remind people of it.
• 20:29
  And I kept hearing about it on podcasts that I was listening to.
• 20:32
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:33
  They would always do their little pitch, Hey, you know, subscribe on
• 20:35
  Patreon and get behind the scenes and, and all that kind of thing.
• 20:38
  So Brad's the finance guy, right?
• 20:41
  That's what he does for a living.
• 20:42
  So I looked at him and said, do you think this is a viable option for us?
• 20:45
  And he's like, let's see what happens.
• 20:47
  And also, I mean, I don't know if you've got gathered this from any
• 20:52
  of our other, uh, episodes that you've listened to, but the club, we
• 20:55
  don't charge club members any fees.
• 20:57
  It's 100% free for them.
• 21:00
  So I mean, all the funding for the events and stuff that we, we've come up with,
• 21:03
  it's either charge on the spot for, for the event at a a, a net even, you know,
• 21:10
  a break even for the club or it comes out of, you know, Eric in my pocket.
• 21:14
  I mean, there's, there's, there was no other funding for the things
• 21:17
  that the club was able to put on.
• 21:19
  Uh, we did do a.
• 21:21
  It was a V M C, I forget what the acronym stands for.
• 21:23
  Eric, do you remember?
• 21:24
  Voluntary membership contribution.
• 21:27
  Yeah.
• 21:27
  So, so we did that and actually we got a lot of support from our
• 21:31
  membership that way, asking for them to, to voluntarily contribute versus
• 21:35
  saying, Hey, you have to pay dues.
• 21:37
  Um, so we thought Patreon was just another way for people to help support if they,
• 21:43
  if they could and if they wanted to without saying or demanding, Hey, if you
• 21:48
  wanna be a part of this, you have to.
• 21:49
  To pay to play.
• 21:50
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:50
  And Patreon simplified everything because the way we were doing it before was
• 21:54
  super clergy and spreadsheets and PayPal.
• 21:56
  And then we, we were tracking, we were tracking house points
• 21:59
  and all kinds of things.
• 22:00
  Oh, it was insane.
• 22:01
  It was just like, can we just find an automated way to do
• 22:03
  this and get over it again?
• 22:04
  We're, we're often referred to on the club side of the house as either like
• 22:09
  the d the club, the car club for the D O d or the car club for IT nerds.
• 22:12
  Cause we're extremely technologically heavy and we got a lot of
• 22:16
  guys that are developers and administrators and stuff like that.
• 22:19
  So they're like, oh yeah, use this solution.
• 22:20
  Oh yeah, go get this thing.
• 22:21
  Well make your life easier.
• 22:23
  And I'm in the IT world as well, so technology's always been on our side
• 22:27
  and we try to use it as much as we can to make things as simple as possible.
• 22:31
  Hmm.
• 22:33
  Well, um, getting, getting to that, we're gonna go off a little bit.
• 22:36
  Subject.
• 22:37
  Um, can you tell us a little bit about yourselves?
• 22:41
  You just mentioned that Brad was into finance.
• 22:44
  Brad, do you wanna start a little bit about your background?
• 22:47
  Um, Of who you are, your family life, kind of what you do, and
• 22:51
  your off time when you're not being a superhero racing driver.
• 22:55
  Uh, well, I, I've never been a racing driver.
• 22:57
  I think I've competed outside of autocross in one timed event.
• 23:02
  It was a time trial with Emera and I got first place, so I, yeah, I took my,
• 23:07
  I took my, my plaque and, uh, hung it on the wall, and I haven't been back
• 23:11
  to competitive driving, but, um, I, I mean, yeah, I work in finance right now,
• 23:17
  but that's definitely not my passion.
• 23:19
  It, it, it keeps the lights on and pays the bills, but really my
• 23:22
  passions are cars and music and, you know, my family life now, I've, I've
• 23:27
  got a wife, I've, uh, we've been married for almost three years now.
• 23:30
  Three years.
• 23:31
  Oh, 2019 to, yeah.
• 23:33
  They're, they're so green, bill.
• 23:35
  They'll grow outta it.
• 23:36
  They're so green.
• 23:37
  Oh, I get kids better.
• 23:38
  I have a nine, a nine and a half month old.
• 23:41
  Oh, yeah.
• 23:42
  You're not going to the racetrack anytime soon.
• 23:44
  No, no.
• 23:45
  I mean, well, we were, we were just at the racetrack.
• 23:47
  And let's be fair, uh, Eric and I were Watkins Glen last
• 23:51
  weekend for the SRO races.
• 23:52
  So luckily I'm very fortunate to have a supportive wife who
• 23:56
  supports my hobbies and my passions.
• 23:59
  Um, so whenever we, we can, you know, get an opportunity to
• 24:02
  go out, she, she's all for it.
• 24:05
  Mm.
• 24:06
  Was, uh, was Black Kings Glen like a sauna?
• 24:10
  It actually wasn't terrible.
• 24:11
  Oh, it was?
• 24:12
  I mean, it was hot.
• 24:13
  It was hot than for change.
• 24:14
  It was hotter than October when I'm usually there.
• 24:16
  Mm-hmm.
• 24:17
  But it wasn't, it wasn't miserable.
• 24:19
  Miserable.
• 24:19
  It wasn't like going to v i r in August.
• 24:23
  And you, we, we sort of overlooked the, the sweltering heat of, you know, of
• 24:27
  Lake Seneca because we were there with some first time folks that had never
• 24:32
  been to a professional race before.
• 24:34
  And so their excitement got us excited.
• 24:37
  So you kind of forgot that it was 94 degrees and 70% humidity.
• 24:41
  Oh, wow.
• 24:42
  True, true.
• 24:43
  You felt like bacon last weekend.
• 24:46
  Oh.
• 24:46
  So how about you, uh, Eric?
• 24:48
  Crew, chief Barrack.
• 24:50
  Well, you know, I grew up a poor child on a porch in Alabama.
• 24:52
  No, I'm just kidding.
• 24:54
  Well, walked uphill both ways.
• 24:56
  Both ways.
• 24:57
  So, you know, I am a first generation, my parents are both immigrants, came
• 25:02
  over from Italy in the seventies.
• 25:04
  I, I'm a Maryland, I'm a Maryland native, which is very rare cuz I don't meet
• 25:08
  any other people that are from Maryland unless they're from the eastern shore.
• 25:10
  Mm-hmm.
• 25:11
  Everybody's a transplant around here.
• 25:12
  I said Brad is a Maryland native.
• 25:14
  So I'll, I'll give you credit.
• 25:15
  There's two of us at least that said, you know, my car, I.
• 25:23
  Uh, I don't wanna call it addiction goes way back, goes back to my grandparents,
• 25:26
  but I'll, I'll table that for the moment.
• 25:28
  But in my personal life, you know, I've got two little girls, they're
• 25:32
  eight and five, uh, sneak preview.
• 25:34
  My eldest will be on an episode here in right before back to school called,
• 25:39
  can You Explain It to a third grader?
• 25:41
  So that's gonna be a real fun.
• 25:43
  My wife and I have been together, uh, 18 years.
• 25:48
  I don't know, we lose count after a while.
• 25:50
  We don't think about it.
• 25:50
  We've been married forever.
• 25:53
  So, you know, we had kids a little later.
• 25:55
  You know, we enjoyed a lot of life traveling, things like that.
• 25:58
  Uh, to Brad's point, you know, it is my vocation.
• 26:00
  It's not my passion.
• 26:02
  You know, cars always have been, and again, that stems from my grandparents.
• 26:05
  Um, you know, post-war.
• 26:08
  My grandfather was a chauffeur for the Belgium Embassy.
• 26:11
  And so my dad grew up around, you know, big Cadillacs and all these
• 26:14
  American cars that the, that the, uh, ambassadors would drive around in.
• 26:19
  And so my grandfather was responsible for maintaining the cars, cleaning
• 26:22
  the cars, driving the cars.
• 26:23
  So my dad got hooked and I got hooked by way of him.
• 26:26
  He started autocross as soon as he could, started driving just like I
• 26:30
  did at almost 13 years old on a VW Beetle, you know, stuff like that.
• 26:34
  And, you know, my dad never wanted me to get into racing, but he made
• 26:38
  the mistake of putting me behind the wheel of a go-kart when I was five.
• 26:41
  And it was your fault, dad, all your fault, all downhill from there.
• 26:45
  Um, I've cart raced all over the country.
• 26:48
  It's allowed me to see almo.
• 26:50
  It's all but seven states now.
• 26:54
  Right.
• 26:54
  And then Brad and I ter crossed in high school and college, and autocross
• 26:58
  in our area dried up pretty quickly.
• 27:00
  There's no more lots that are any good and nobody wants to, well,
• 27:03
  except for the S E C A guys, nobody wants to stand in line for six
• 27:06
  hours for three runs at FedEx Field.
• 27:08
  So I gave up on that and went road racing the year after my dad passed away.
• 27:13
  And so I've been carrying that torch, uh, ever since.
• 27:17
  Hmm.
• 27:17
  I, I think my favorite part of that story is that your grandfather worked
• 27:20
  on big Cadillacs and, and, you know, in these large American luxury cars.
• 27:26
  And what does your father gravitate to?
• 27:28
  Rocco's and golfs and, oh, Chicos and Audis and the exact opposite.
• 27:33
  But you know what?
• 27:34
  Gay American sedans, grand.
• 27:36
  My grandfather had some cool cars, though.
• 27:38
  I mean, except for the omni the Horizon.
• 27:41
  Ugh, whatever.
• 27:42
  But he had stuff like, you know, like the Beetle, they had a Dodge Dart,
• 27:45
  I think, I believe it was a stinger.
• 27:47
  They had a Capri.
• 27:49
  They had a, uh, what year?
• 27:51
  What year?
• 27:51
  Capri?
• 27:52
  A 76 Capri and Opal.
• 27:55
  Manta.
• 27:57
  I mean all, just all rocco's, all sorts of stuff.
• 27:59
  I mean, they were never one to buy, like the regular old whatever.
• 28:02
  And I was fortunate to drive one of his Alpha Romeos when
• 28:05
  I went to Italy one year.
• 28:06
  Oh.
• 28:06
  To visit them.
• 28:07
  So that was pretty cool.
• 28:09
  Oh, they're still in Italy?
• 28:11
  Uh, they're, they are very, very old.
• 28:13
  But yes, they still live in Italy.
• 28:15
  We, we may have a very, very bad idea for you after the podcast anyway.
• 28:21
  Oh, okay.
• 28:24
  Anyway, so, so driving wise and, and car-wise, how, um, do you guys have any,
• 28:30
  um, driving, training, driving experience?
• 28:33
  I, it sounds like Brad is more the high performance driving and car guy, but
• 28:39
  uh, you know, he did some auto crossing.
• 28:42
  Yep.
• 28:42
  So Brad is an instructor.
• 28:43
  He is an MSF level two.
• 28:45
  He's been through S C C certification.
• 28:47
  I'm speaking on his behalf.
• 28:48
  I have those certifications as well.
• 28:50
  I've gone through B S R, I've gone through a bunch of other, uh,
• 28:53
  certifications for different groups.
• 28:55
  Uh, right now I'm currently the chief instructor for emra.
• 28:58
  I've been a time trialer for years, both between Emera and S E C A.
• 29:01
  I've cart raced all over the country in endurance, carting and sprint
• 29:04
  carting, uh, autocross and I.
• 29:08
  I didn't do any pro solos.
• 29:09
  That was always my dad's thing.
• 29:10
  I didn't like the Christmas tree start, although I'd driven
• 29:13
  some of his pro solo cars.
• 29:14
  And you, you ran timing when you were about 10 too?
• 29:17
  That's correct.
• 29:17
  I did timing for W D C R S C A, ESCA pca, Potomac, and other regions and
• 29:23
  a bunch of others from the, from I was in the timing trailer from
• 29:26
  eight years old up until college.
• 29:29
  So I did a lot of timing and scoring.
• 29:32
  If you could talk somebody into allowing you to use that and
• 29:35
  Scrabble, you'd be unstoppable.
• 29:37
  It was awesome.
• 29:37
  But you know what it afforded me, bill, it afforded me these weird instances at
• 29:41
  the end of the day where they're doing fun runs and somebody slides a set of keys to
• 29:45
  you at 13 years old and says, go have fun.
• 29:47
  Mm-hmm.
• 29:48
  And you're like, uh, what's this, what's this for?
• 29:51
  They're like, just go drive.
• 29:52
  Have fun.
• 29:54
  So I got to drive a ton of cars before I was legally allowed
• 29:57
  to drive at Autocrosses, cuz we were there every weekend.
• 30:00
  Brad knows.
• 30:01
  He's like, what?
• 30:01
  What are you doing in that car now?
• 30:03
  Uh, and, and, and the timing and scoring also afforded you the ability to have
• 30:09
  the most difficult and antiquated and just time consuming, timing
• 30:16
  stressful and scoring stressful for our virtual no money racing league.
• 30:21
  That is true.
• 30:22
  It, that you could take the boy out of the timing booth, but you can't
• 30:25
  take the timekeeper out of the boy.
• 30:26
  Right?
• 30:27
  Oh geez.
• 30:29
  For sure.
• 30:31
  So, gentlemen, what, uh, what's this, what's the fleet right now?
• 30:36
  What kind of cars are we into?
• 30:37
  What are we, what are we driving?
• 30:38
  What are we pursuing?
• 30:39
  Any, uh, any white whales that we need to get to?
• 30:45
  I mean, if, if you're asking, you know, what's it on my bucket list?
• 30:49
  Oh man, this, this could be a long episode, so we'll go with Brad.
• 30:54
  Well, the current fleet is a Toyota Tundra tow vehicle, and
• 30:58
  then a Volkswagen Mark, five R 32.
• 31:01
  Oh, nice.
• 31:01
  Um, but I'm rethinking the whole thing now that I've got a kid and the tundra's
• 31:06
  just an extended cab, so it doesn't have much room for the car seat and the family.
• 31:11
  Mm-hmm.
• 31:12
  So, I don't know, I, I'm contemplating like, yeah, he's contemplating a Nissan
• 31:17
  gtr because that is family friendly.
• 31:20
  Well, no, that's, that's probably the white whale.
• 31:23
  But like, more immediate is something like, uh, an RS
• 31:27
  seven or, you know, something.
• 31:30
  I can consolidate everything into one vehicle and just have one fun vehicle
• 31:34
  I can track once or twice a year.
• 31:36
  Something you can fit into as well.
• 31:38
  Yes.
• 31:38
  Yeah.
• 31:39
  I, I can't do a new Honda Civic type R because it's moi kinno.
• 31:44
  One car to rule them all.
• 31:46
  Yeah, right.
• 31:48
  Well though, isn't that always the question though?
• 31:50
  If I could, if you could have one vehicle to do everything
• 31:53
  you wanted, what would it be?
• 31:55
  The Pontiac.
• 31:56
  Aztec?
• 31:56
  Yeah.
• 31:57
  Do you, do you go to, do you go to the garage to fix your race
• 32:00
  car and grab the Swiss Army knife?
• 32:02
  No.
• 32:02
  You go and grab the tool you need.
• 32:05
  More tools, the better.
• 32:08
  Oh, well the problem is when I, when I go to the garage to work on the race
• 32:10
  car, I never have the right tools.
• 32:12
  So I'm always buying more tools.
• 32:14
  Exactly.
• 32:15
  Perfect.
• 32:15
  It's just like I'm, I'm buying Eric more tools cause he's
• 32:18
  the one that worked on my car.
• 32:20
  That's very true.
• 32:21
  That's very true.
• 32:22
  Hence the name Brake and Fix.
• 32:24
  But you know, we'll leave it where it is.
• 32:26
  Is, is one of you break and the other one fixed?
• 32:28
  I'm just saying that is, that is correct.
• 32:30
  Okay.
• 32:30
  All right.
• 32:31
  Would you venture to guess who is who?
• 32:33
  Uh, I'm thinking let's just be, you know, Brad starts with B so we'll go
• 32:39
  with, we'll, nothing personal, Brad.
• 32:43
  That's okay.
• 32:44
  I mean, you've heard the stories of the Viking line and stuff like that.
• 32:46
  Yeah, of course.
• 32:47
  I'm the one that breaks things.
• 32:49
  Do you want to feel better about your Viking line?
• 32:52
  Always.
• 32:53
  Okay.
• 32:53
  So have you ever been to New Hampshire Motorsports Park?
• 32:56
  I can't say that I have.
• 32:58
  Okay.
• 32:58
  So it's uh, the NASCAR oval and then if you take about, hmm, almost halfway
• 33:06
  around, if you're running the road course, you make a right hand turn, like a sharp
• 33:10
  right hand turn and go up the hill and there's like a road course and then it
• 33:12
  comes back down like 300 yards past there.
• 33:16
  So we're at our first New Hampshire Motorsports Park and everybody, let's
• 33:21
  say that everybody's doing laps like a minute, 40 something, whatever,
• 33:27
  something, let's just pick a number.
• 33:28
  Minute 40, and then Vicky pops in there my first time at this track.
• 33:32
  That's right.
• 33:33
  Ever.
• 33:33
  Vicky pops on the scoring for Friday practice with a 32.
• 33:39
  Not a 1 32, that is a 32.
• 33:43
  And we're like, that is quite the lap.
• 33:45
  It is quite the lap.
• 33:46
  And, uh, Vicky, would you care to explain?
• 33:50
  So this particular track, when you take the really hard right turn, it goes
• 33:55
  through a set of fences that goes uphill.
• 33:59
  Um, and then kind of wraps around.
• 34:02
  But I, I'd never been to the track.
• 34:04
  I didn't see the track map, you know, I didn't know.
• 34:06
  So the, the front part, Really wasn't blocked off.
• 34:11
  So I just did the loop.
• 34:14
  I did the loop.
• 34:15
  I, I omitted the whole going through the, the second part of the track,
• 34:20
  which was uphill and into the, you know, through the fencing.
• 34:23
  It's like a bottleneck.
• 34:24
  It's really awkward.
• 34:25
  It's such an awkward track.
• 34:27
  Uh, everything is bottled neck there.
• 34:29
  And, uh, and I just didn't think that was part of the track.
• 34:32
  It just didn't look like it should be part of the track.
• 34:34
  It was part of the track.
• 34:35
  So yeah, I just decided not to include that part of the track in my lap.
• 34:39
  And I just went straight and nobody seemed cared.
• 34:42
  Straight seemed board.
• 34:44
  No, but nobody really cared, I don't think.
• 34:46
  No, no.
• 34:46
  The corner workers cared a lot.
• 34:48
  Did they?
• 34:49
  I don't think their, I don't think their eyes blinked for about a half an hour.
• 34:52
  And then the next day for the race, there was a whole lot more Jersey
• 34:55
  barriers crossing the the track to make sure this wasn't possible anymore.
• 35:00
  Yep, yep.
• 35:03
  Part of the fun, whatever.
• 35:05
  Moving on.
• 35:06
  Anyway, so, so I guess if we rewind.
• 35:09
  Two, your two questions ago about cars and fleet.
• 35:12
  Do you want me to answer that for time?
• 35:13
  Oh yes, yes.
• 35:14
  It's still there.
• 35:15
  See, I'm gonna answer for Eric Fiat 1 24 at Barth, you know, or a Dodge Viper.
• 35:23
  I know Dodge Viper's on his bucket list.
• 35:25
  Is it?
• 35:25
  Ah.
• 35:25
  I recently drove one for an extended period of time.
• 35:28
  I'm Congress.
• 35:28
  You drove an older one though.
• 35:29
  You didn't drive.
• 35:30
  Did you meet your hero?
• 35:31
  The usual special, you know, I've met a lot of my heroes, smokey and the
• 35:35
  Bandit, Transams, Reno, R five Turbos, 9 11, 9 30, turbos, all sorts of stuff
• 35:41
  that I'm just like, yeah, I'm good.
• 35:42
  You can keep it, you know?
• 35:43
  It's like somebody else's kids, they're fun to play with, but you
• 35:45
  know, it's good when they go home.
• 35:46
  What about.
• 35:47
  What about a smoking the band at TransAm Omo?
• 35:51
  So this one was a hot rotted engine by a friend of mine that actually
• 35:55
  went to school in Morrisville.
• 35:57
  So he was making well over 400.
• 35:58
  Mm-hmm.
• 35:59
  And it still was not fun to drive.
• 36:01
  Ah.
• 36:01
  So, no.
• 36:05
  So that said, for anybody that watches our behind the scenes videos, you'll see
• 36:09
  one of my cars is always over my shoulder.
• 36:11
  I've inherited that from my dad.
• 36:12
  It's a wide body portion, 9 14 6 that I'm working on.
• 36:16
  Okay.
• 36:16
  And it doesn't have a six in it anymore.
• 36:18
  It's actually got a 20 valve turbo, four cylinder Volkswagen
• 36:21
  engine in it, which is going to be more reliable and more drivable.
• 36:24
  Mm-hmm.
• 36:25
  Than the 9 64 twin spark that was in it.
• 36:27
  So, but that's a 1800 pound car with me in it.
• 36:30
  Former national pro solo champion car.
• 36:32
  So yeah, there's a lot of history in what we call the Batmobile.
• 36:36
  Mm-hmm.
• 36:36
  Then I have what makes roughly 400 horsepower Audi, t t time
• 36:41
  attack, time trials, car.
• 36:43
  I've got a split personality, G t I VR six that I share with my sister.
• 36:48
  We, I've got a 2003 golf VR six, uh, estate, which is
• 36:54
  a, a complete Euro spec car.
• 36:56
  I've got a Diesel Grand Cherokee, which is, you know,
• 36:59
  they only made for two years.
• 37:00
  Those are a lot of fun.
• 37:01
  My wife drives a spaceship and what else do I got in there?
• 37:06
  I'm sorry.
• 37:08
  Oh, and there's a Lotus seven.
• 37:09
  Yeah, that, yeah.
• 37:12
  Yeah, we don't, I don't think about that one too much.
• 37:16
  All right.
• 37:16
  So, uh, where do, where do you store.
• 37:19
  So everybody asked me that question.
• 37:21
  The cars are on rotation.
• 37:23
  Uh, sometimes they live here, sometimes they don't.
• 37:26
  Uh, sometimes they sit outside my driveway.
• 37:28
  You could land a helicopter on.
• 37:30
  So I have a lot of room.
• 37:31
  I purposely, when we expanded it, I, my wife thought I was crazy.
• 37:35
  I went to a Target and I measured the parking spots.
• 37:38
  I even had little parking bumpers in my driveway.
• 37:40
  It is exactly seven target spaces wide.
• 37:43
  And I wanna paint the lines and she continues to not allow me to.
• 37:46
  But, uh, it's pretty big on its width.
• 37:49
  And then, you know, there's the depth to go along with it too.
• 37:51
  So you can park, you can park four cars next to each other, the other way.
• 37:55
  So it's a four by seven driveway if you wanna do the math.
• 37:57
  It's pretty big with the trailer, correct?
• 38:00
  With my two trailers.
• 38:01
  With my trailers and every in the driveway and everything else.
• 38:03
  Yeah.
• 38:04
  It's big, so, right.
• 38:06
  Um, so any goals and dreams, bucket list items, tracks,
• 38:12
  series, cars, races, events.
• 38:18
  Well.
• 38:20
  Well, I'm gonna scratch one off the list.
• 38:22
  Next year we're going to the hundredth anniversary of Lamont's.
• 38:25
  Wow.
• 38:25
  And then I, I plan to be at the hundredth running of Lamont's too,
• 38:28
  which is 10 years from next year.
• 38:30
  So I wanna do it twice.
• 38:32
  Uh, tracks that I wanna drive.
• 38:35
  You know, we've joked for years about packing a car trailer
• 38:37
  and going to Laguna Seka.
• 38:38
  I've been to a TransAm race there.
• 38:40
  Um, or Grandam race there rather.
• 38:43
  So that was, that's good.
• 38:44
  A lot of the West Coast tracks don't get me as excited.
• 38:46
  I've done a ton of the East Coast ones.
• 38:49
  I mean, Brad's been on a lot of the adventures that I've been on.
• 38:52
  I would love to do, you know, Montro Blanc or Road America or
• 38:55
  any of the ones up there that we haven't really been able to reach?
• 38:58
  You know, those are been on our Cannonball list, Cannonball run list for a while.
• 39:03
  I'm trying to think.
• 39:04
  Cars.
• 39:06
  God, there's so many.
• 39:06
  I mean, just like my fleet now, it's collect, like collecting matchbox cars.
• 39:10
  I feel like I need to go to Al-Anon meetings.
• 39:12
  Like, you know, hi, I've got a problem.
• 39:14
  I collect cars, so I You collect Mark four Volkswagen cars.
• 39:17
  Well, you know, yeah, I'm starting to, I don't know.
• 39:20
  I'm starting to thin those out too.
• 39:21
  I need to own an Italian car before I die.
• 39:23
  I, I keep saying that.
• 39:26
  Whatever that means.
• 39:27
  I don't know yet.
• 39:28
  Find need.
• 39:30
  It's a, it, it is a personal want.
• 39:32
  Okay.
• 39:32
  Like, I want to own an Italian car.
• 39:34
  I need to own an Italian car.
• 39:36
  Okay.
• 39:36
  He would be a very bad Italian if he did not own an Italian
• 39:40
  car at least once in his life.
• 39:41
  I would be remiss.
• 39:42
  Yes.
• 39:43
  Yeah.
• 39:43
  He would be remiss.
• 39:45
  Every petrolhead must have an alpha.
• 39:48
  Exactly.
• 39:48
  You get it.
• 39:49
  Yeah, it's right.
• 39:50
  Clarkson says that all the time.
• 39:52
  Mm-hmm.
• 39:52
  I am a big fan of the GTV six, although, ugh, these days, I don't know.
• 39:56
  I'm getting parts for those.
• 39:57
  But, uh, anyway, other things on that list?
• 40:01
  I mean, for me, I don't see an end to it.
• 40:04
  I don't think there's one thing I wanna do because there's so many
• 40:07
  things that I still want to do.
• 40:09
  I mean, honestly, as a kid, I wanted to be a rally driver.
• 40:12
  Still haven't checked that off the list yet.
• 40:14
  Unfortunately.
• 40:14
  Tim O'Neil, if you're listening, your school is way too expensive,
• 40:17
  so I haven't signed up yet.
• 40:19
  It's just, I'd rather go to Skippy School or one of the other ones
• 40:23
  for the same price or for less.
• 40:25
  I mean, I don't know.
• 40:25
  It's just, it's a pill to swallow, to go to, to go to rally school.
• 40:29
  And, you know, I think I was born under the wrong star.
• 40:33
  Uh, secretly I think I would've survived really, really well during the, during
• 40:37
  the sixties in Detroit, you know, alongside of DeLorean and a lot of other
• 40:40
  folks that were coming up in that era.
• 40:42
  So, I dunno, what about you, Brad?
• 40:46
  Uh, tracks that I want to drive, definitely Laguna Seka Road America.
• 40:51
  I've been trying to convince Eric to commission a car for Pike's Peak.
• 40:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 40:56
  But he doesn't seem to think that we're qualified for something like that.
• 40:58
  I would love to, to compete for Pike's Peak.
• 41:02
  I, but you see, that's what you have to add.
• 41:03
  Because Hertz will give us a car we can drive Pike's Peak.
• 41:06
  It's not a big deal.
• 41:07
  No, no, no, no.
• 41:08
  I wanna drive Pikes Peak at speed without oncoming traffic.
• 41:12
  Uh, a racetrack that we always talk about all the time is brands.
• 41:15
  Hats.
• 41:16
  Hats, yeah.
• 41:16
  Mm-hmm.
• 41:17
  In Britain, uh, cars.
• 41:21
  I mean, after I drove the Viper and I drove our buddy's C eight, I don't know
• 41:27
  that super, super fast cars are for me, especially sports cars, just cause
• 41:31
  I don't really fit in them properly.
• 41:33
  So it's not a very enjoyable experience.
• 41:35
  But fast sedans, I mean, you, you got me with the like an RS seven
• 41:39
  or an Alpha Romeo, Julia Quadri Folio, uh, or something like that.
• 41:44
  I'd love to get one of those.
• 41:46
  And of course the dream car would be a C7 R.
• 41:48
  Yeah.
• 41:49
  Wow.
• 41:49
  I'd love to, I'd love to take a C C7 R around Laguna and v i r.
• 41:53
  Oh man, that would, I mean, if you're gonna do that, then I'm noses to
• 41:56
  tail with you in an S SLS Mercedes.
• 41:58
  All right.
• 41:59
  Cause Well, okay, well we're gonna do that.
• 42:00
  We're gonna also have to do Watkins Gwen in a, in an R eight and a Viper Viper.
• 42:06
  Well, we've, we've got a question for you for that, for later.
• 42:08
  So you're both pretty well, thank you.
• 42:14
  Aw.
• 42:17
  Sorry, I'm sitting here looking at the Rocco.
• 42:19
  I got, I got, went down a rabbit hole with this Rocco Rocco's not on the list.
• 42:25
  I, I know there's no terms.
• 42:26
  I know, but what don't, don't you blaspheme know.
• 42:29
  The thing was, the thing was, is that this, this whole interview
• 42:33
  has brought up like a whole, um, flashback history at Flash.
• 42:39
  Yeah.
• 42:39
  It was a flashbacks to high school and just post high school when I
• 42:43
  had a friend who was Italian who drove a Rocco and uh, and I had
• 42:48
  completely forgotten about the Rocco.
• 42:51
  And then I'm just wondering, My God, I, I, I like whatever happened to this car
• 42:57
  and then like a, like a rabbit hole just began just to start, and I apologize
• 43:01
  because sorry, with me, come back.
• 43:02
  So the sec, the secret trivia undertone there, why I, well, not
• 43:05
  only because I grew up in the back of Rocco's, is it was designed by
• 43:09
  Giro and I haven't found anything that he has penned that I don't like.
• 43:13
  Right.
• 43:14
  So, name something and I'm good with it, whether it's the DeLorean, the
• 43:17
  BMWs, you know, all, all those cars.
• 43:20
  I'm good with all of them.
• 43:21
  Right, right.
• 43:22
  I didn't know the AKA was a vw.
• 43:24
  I, I was not aware of that, but okay.
• 43:27
  So, uh, Racing philosophies.
• 43:29
  This is one of my favorite questions.
• 43:32
  When you get on the track and, you know, what do you tell yourself or when you're
• 43:38
  helping other people, is there like this, go-to phrase that, that, you know, Eric
• 43:43
  is already laughing, so I know he has one.
• 43:46
  I I know what Eric's phrase is.
• 43:48
  Yeah, a hundred percent.
• 43:49
  The gas pedal man, you know, I, I got to the point when, when, because I was
• 43:54
  a woman on the track, and especially when I'm racing with like a hundred
• 43:59
  some cars, uh, my motto became a.
• 44:03
  Damn it.
• 44:03
  I paid to be here too when I'm telling myself so, which is encouraging me
• 44:09
  to push further and not letting these people muscle me out of my spots.
• 44:13
  Mm-hmm.
• 44:13
  What is yours, Eric?
• 44:16
  Uh, I, I'm gonna try and answer this question for him.
• 44:18
  I know he's gonna answer anyway, but he's got two philosophies.
• 44:21
  The first one is just send it, and then the second one
• 44:23
  is, today's a good day to die.
• 44:25
  Oh, okay.
• 44:27
  Playing on battle cry the whole way.
• 44:29
  Every time I get into the right seat with a student, today is a good day to die.
• 44:34
  Fantastic.
• 44:36
  That, that's pretty good.
• 44:37
  Brad, do you have one or do you have one When you're, uh, like in, like a
• 44:40
  student's coming in and When, when I'm going out with a student, my, my battle
• 44:45
  cry is always, please just get back to the paddock for the next session.
• 44:51
  Just, it's only 20 minutes.
• 44:52
  Just make it to the next session.
• 44:54
  Just make it to the next session.
• 44:57
  I had my, I had my first mechanical failure with, uh, when
• 45:00
  I was out as a, uh, instructor.
• 45:03
  Thankfully it was an easy mechanical failure and I was with probably one of
• 45:06
  the best drivers I've ever been with.
• 45:08
  And that was so happy.
• 45:11
  Yes.
• 45:11
  I had a student tap the wall once at Dominion.
• 45:15
  Ooh, that was fun.
• 45:16
  So Brad's, one of Brad's other phrases used to be My mechanic is
• 45:20
  Fantastic, which is a quote from Ari Vaan from back in the Group B days.
• 45:25
  He used to say that all the time.
• 45:26
  My mechanic is fantastic.
• 45:28
  So what, uh, were some of the most memorable in general mishaps or, uh, most
• 45:37
  fantastic, fantastic code moments, right?
• 45:39
  Code bra.
• 45:40
  Oh, that's awesome.
• 45:41
  Code brown moments that you've had while instructing.
• 45:45
  Oh, while instructing.
• 45:47
  Oh, while we're instructing.
• 45:48
  Wow.
• 45:50
  Um, I mean, I've had students go off, I had the student at Dominion.
• 45:53
  She, she tapped the wall her.
• 45:56
  The back end of her three 70 got loose and it just, so it's a three 50 now?
• 46:03
  Yeah.
• 46:03
  It's a, it's a 3 22 now.
• 46:05
  3 22 0.5.
• 46:06
  No, it's a, but it, it got loose and tapped the wall, scraped up her bumper.
• 46:10
  She didn't care.
• 46:10
  We went in, you know, just cuz you're supposed to after you go off and
• 46:14
  they're like, car's okay you guys okay?
• 46:17
  Have fun.
• 46:17
  We went right back out.
• 46:18
  She finished the day.
• 46:20
  So the story I'm gonna tell most of our members will expect me to tell.
• 46:24
  So I'm gonna tell it again for the thousandth time because I think it's
• 46:27
  one of my most memorable stories.
• 46:29
  And it dovetails off of your previous question Bill, which is another saying.
• 46:32
  I used to tell Brad all the time when he would say, oh, I think, you know,
• 46:35
  there's a little shimmy in the car.
• 46:37
  I think something's wrong.
• 46:38
  You know, you need to go drive it and tell me.
• 46:40
  I'd be like, dude, drive it till it's broken, and then
• 46:42
  we know what to fix, right?
• 46:43
  Just get it done.
• 46:44
  But v i r.
• 46:46
  I'm at an Audi Club event and I'm coaching in a T T R S.
• 46:50
  It's towards the end of the weekend.
• 46:52
  You know, this guy's doing, uh, this guy's doing really well.
• 46:55
  It's a quick car, whatever, and, you know, he is talking to me and
• 46:58
  this and that and he go, he had just told me like the lap before.
• 47:01
  He goes, you know, I, I've been thinking about it.
• 47:02
  I gotta be really careful.
• 47:04
  I gotta slow my hands down.
• 47:05
  I'm like, oh yeah, really?
• 47:06
  Why?
• 47:07
  He goes, well, you know, the TTR SS have a tendency, like the transmission will
• 47:11
  jam up if you try to shift it too quickly.
• 47:13
  And some people will miss fourth gear.
• 47:14
  And I'm like, okay, cool.
• 47:16
  So what does he do on the subsequent lap turns 17 hog pen.
• 47:20
  He grabs second gear.
• 47:21
  Does like 15,000 rpm.
• 47:24
  It was available and yeah, it was cool, you know, whatever car took it, he
• 47:28
  puts it immediately into fourth gear and he's like, do you think it's okay?
• 47:31
  And I'm like, well, I don't see any smoke and I don't hear anything.
• 47:34
  And no pistons came through this, through the, through the hood.
• 47:37
  So send it.
• 47:37
  Let's go right down and right down the front, straight away.
• 47:41
  Buck 35 into turn one.
• 47:43
  No problem.
• 47:44
  Come out of turn.
• 47:44
  One car's running great.
• 47:46
  Two turns two, three nascar, lower s's.
• 47:48
  And then the car starts bucking violently, right?
• 47:52
  And I'm just like, oh man.
• 47:53
  He's like, do you think we should pull over?
• 47:54
  I'm like, immediately, pull over now.
• 47:56
  Right?
• 47:56
  Something's wrong.
• 47:58
  So we, we pull over and I look at, we're right at the flagger station, at the
• 48:03
  exit of the S's, right before you go into the upper S'S and the flaggers like.
• 48:08
  Y'all know you're on fire.
• 48:10
  And I'm like, no.
• 48:10
  What?
• 48:11
  I'm like, excuse me.
• 48:12
  He's like, you've been on fire for three turns.
• 48:14
  And I'm like, what?
• 48:15
  He's like, get out the car.
• 48:17
  And I'm like, okay.
• 48:17
  So we get out of the car and he, he literally, and this is the day
• 48:21
  I became a volunteer firefighter.
• 48:23
  Oh, okay.
• 48:24
  And I'm like, what do you want us to do?
• 48:25
  And he's like, well, you can come up here and get the fire extinguisher.
• 48:29
  I'm like, excuse me.
• 48:30
  He's like, come on up here and get it.
• 48:31
  And I'm like, ok.
• 48:33
  So I run up and then my student, meanwhile I wasn't looking my back turn as I'm
• 48:38
  running back with the fire extinguisher, which was not my job, but you know, I'm
• 48:41
  like, whatever, volunteer firefighter for the day, he opens the hood.
• 48:45
  That's, that's good.
• 48:46
  And no, it was not good stuff.
• 48:48
  It was not good.
• 48:48
  Good.
• 48:49
  Sure.
• 48:49
  Nobbled, that tt, there was not enough fire extinguisher
• 48:53
  to salvage that, that motor.
• 48:55
  And then it got better.
• 48:56
  Right.
• 48:57
  Brad?
• 49:00
  Remember the giant trailer swap?
• 49:02
  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 49:02
  So there was another car that had broken down.
• 49:04
  It was an E four to six M three, you know, cuz that's what they do.
• 49:07
  What?
• 49:07
  Uh, I think, I think he had fire issue too and he was leaking oil
• 49:10
  all over the place and everything.
• 49:11
  So we loaded him up onto Eric's trailer earlier, before the the T T R S broke.
• 49:18
  Uh, and because I was gonna take him, so my car was already loaded cause
• 49:21
  I was getting ready to leave cuz that's what I do early on a Sunday.
• 49:24
  I like to go home.
• 49:25
  And then, so this, we loaded this guy up on Eric's trailer
• 49:28
  and then I take him away.
• 49:30
  Eric was gonna tow my trailer because meanwhile, Eric's car, Eric wasn't
• 49:34
  using his trailer cuz his car was broken and there was no, I had the BMW and
• 49:38
  my sister drove No, no, no, no, no.
• 49:39
  You had, you had the, the, uh, TT I think Cuz you was going home.
• 49:43
  No, no, I was the M three.
• 49:45
  I had the M three there.
• 49:46
  No, the TT went home with the N G P.
• 49:49
  The white tt, the one that blew up did.
• 49:51
  But my car, no, no, no.
• 49:53
  Your car, your car went home with ngp.
• 49:56
  Uh, something was wrong with it cause Oh yeah, maybe that's right.
• 49:59
  I don't know.
• 50:00
  There was an open trailer.
• 50:00
  But anyway, it became this whole Chinese fire drill.
• 50:02
  Yeah, yeah.
• 50:03
  With trailers and cars and people going in directions they shouldn't
• 50:05
  have been going and, yeah.
• 50:06
  Yeah.
• 50:07
  So I took, I took home and E 46, M three with Eric's trailer.
• 50:10
  Uh, a couple of our club members took home the Eric's student, uh, with their
• 50:15
  trailer for some reason they didn't have, or they, they pulled their car off the
• 50:18
  trailer cuz it was out of all our cars.
• 50:19
  It was the only car that was street legal.
• 50:21
  So they drove their car behind their trailer, towing this person
• 50:24
  that they've never met before.
• 50:26
  Back to every, all signs were going to ngp.
• 50:29
  Apparently we were all going to the same place.
• 50:31
  My, the punchline is my trailer is still stained from that bmw and every
• 50:35
  time I unload it, I curse Bradford.
• 50:38
  What did you do to my trailer?
• 50:40
  Oh wow.
• 50:41
  You're welcome.
• 50:42
  What?
• 50:42
  That thing was leaking.
• 50:43
  I lobed it.
• 50:45
  It'll never rust.
• 50:49
  That I, I was gonna say, the only other story that's a lot of fun is
• 50:52
  changing three axles in between three autocross runs at a Corvette Club event.
• 50:57
  That was pretty good.
• 51:01
  So, all right, so we've got a, uh, we've got a traditional
• 51:04
  question before we get to, oh boy.
• 51:05
  We're, we're gonna start the, start the episode soon.
• 51:08
  Um, so these are, these are the intro anyway, so good, bad, the ugly.
• 51:16
  These are for people that are going to get started in high performance
• 51:20
  driving, maybe a track day, maybe a race, whatever, autocross doesn't matter.
• 51:25
  Something good things that they should do, or things that you've done in
• 51:29
  the past that worked bad would be things that they should not do or
• 51:33
  things that did not work for you.
• 51:34
  And ugly is just an opportunity for story time.
• 51:42
  The good is that Motorsports is one of the most open and accessible sports period.
• 51:52
  So if you look at it, it has the potential to probably be one of the
• 51:56
  most diverse sports on the planet too.
• 51:58
  And I lumped that in with baseball and basketball and football and
• 52:01
  all sorts of stick and ball games.
• 52:03
  There is an opportunity for.
• 52:05
  Able bodied, peop able bodied people, disabled people, people of color,
• 52:10
  race, it doesn't matter, right?
• 52:11
  Motorsports is non-discriminatory.
• 52:13
  When you're behind the wheel, it's cars and you're having fun and all that.
• 52:17
  There's so many different disciplines to motorsport.
• 52:19
  You need to find the one that suits you, right?
• 52:22
  We talk a lot and we favor track.
• 52:24
  I mean, I love rally, but we grew up in carting, right?
• 52:27
  Carting is a great gateway to other things.
• 52:30
  You know, if you're gonna follow the progression model, then you go to
• 52:32
  autocross, then you go to de and then maybe you find yourself saying, you know,
• 52:37
  I want to go to Drift, or I wanna go to club racing, or, or whatever have you.
• 52:40
  So there's so many different ways you can go, whether it's open wheel,
• 52:44
  closed wheel two-wheeled, four wheeled.
• 52:46
  I mean, again, it, it, the paddock is open to everyone.
• 52:49
  So what I, what we generally tell people is run what you run.
• 52:54
  Make sure you've got tires that have some tread on them, and, you know,
• 52:59
  put new pads on and brake fluid and just learn to drive what you learned.
• 53:05
  In driver's ed is not what you're gonna learn at any motorsports discipline.
• 53:09
  The foundations are similar across the board, the basics
• 53:12
  of what you need to know.
• 53:13
  So I think that's the good.
• 53:15
  Mm-hmm.
• 53:18
  What about the bad?
• 53:19
  Uh, for bad?
• 53:21
  I was just thinking it was about this button.
• 53:23
  Um, well, so is this advice that we're trying to give somebody or?
• 53:29
  Sure.
• 53:30
  Okay.
• 53:32
  You are not Sena or Michael Schumacher, so don't come to the track expecting to put
• 53:38
  down the same lab times that you saw on a leaderboard, somewhere on a forum that
• 53:44
  you were reading before your track event.
• 53:46
  Come there expecting to learn, expecting to be humbled, uh, and be
• 53:51
  open-minded to constructive criticism and education because you do not know
• 53:58
  anything when you go to the track.
• 54:00
  And your best friend, your best friend is time.
• 54:04
  Track time experience.
• 54:05
  It's your, it's your enemy too.
• 54:07
  But to dovetail off of what Brad said, I think the other thing is with
• 54:11
  humbling, if you haven't ever been passed by a Miata on a track day,
• 54:16
  you're not doing something right.
• 54:17
  That's my philosophy.
• 54:18
  You, you have a lot to learn still.
• 54:20
  Mm-hmm.
• 54:22
  I can see that.
• 54:23
  What about story time, things that you've seen, things that you've, especially if
• 54:27
  it was like early in your career or early in someone else's career since we never
• 54:32
  did anything wrong when we were learning.
• 54:33
  No, no.
• 54:34
  Not never.
• 54:35
  My, my favorite story times are always when we go to load a broken car on
• 54:39
  a trailer and we get pushing the vehicle, we're right at the trailer,
• 54:43
  and then somebody pops their head up, is the trailer hooked up to the truck?
• 54:46
  Boom trailer goes up.
• 54:49
  Goes down, hits the back of the truck.
• 54:51
  That's happened on more than one occasion.
• 54:53
  Hasn't hit the truck yet, but it has, it has not hit the truck.
• 54:57
  Yeah.
• 54:57
  Guys just aren't doing it quite right then.
• 54:59
  No, apparently not.
• 55:00
  Not hitting it hard enough, I guess.
• 55:02
  I mean, there are so many, there's so many stories.
• 55:05
  I mean, I, I'm, I'm well into the triple digits with students.
• 55:08
  I mean, it runs the gamut from the most timid to the engineers to the
• 55:13
  overly aggressive and you know, like I said, every day is a good day
• 55:16
  to die as an instructor, but you.
• 55:19
  You learn quickly from everybody else's learning habits, their
• 55:24
  mistakes, it makes you a better driver.
• 55:26
  But on the same token, it's extremely stressful.
• 55:28
  But the weirdest stuff happens.
• 55:30
  The weirdest things break.
• 55:31
  The weirdest things go wrong, but you have to take it in stride.
• 55:34
  If you get upset about the first time you break a stud and you're
• 55:38
  out there on four out of five, well, not that that's ever happened.
• 55:42
  I mean, that's something simple, right?
• 55:43
  Or how many trips we've gone for broken axles over the years, or you know, busted
• 55:48
  wheel bearings or whatever have you.
• 55:50
  You just learn to be prepared.
• 55:52
  We talked about it on the episode with you guys.
• 55:54
  It's the checklist.
• 55:55
  It's being organized, it's being over-prepared.
• 55:58
  That's what comes with seat time is all those lessons learned.
• 56:02
  But you know, the one thing I can say is never go to the track alone.
• 56:07
  Make friends, you will.
• 56:09
  And the, the track is a general term, by the way.
• 56:12
  You will meet other people, make friends, because if you go alone,
• 56:17
  you'll be turned off, right?
• 56:19
  Because people are hyper concentrated on their checklist and the things they
• 56:22
  need to do and make sure the car is safe and ready and all that kind of thing.
• 56:25
  But talk to people, meet people.
• 56:28
  There's no such thing as a dumb question in my opinion.
• 56:30
  And that even a stupid question opens conversation.
• 56:34
  Sure.
• 56:34
  And especially if there's somebody else there with a similar car to you.
• 56:38
  That's a golden opportunity if you're looking to get into it.
• 56:42
  There's two golden rules.
• 56:44
  And those are a, if I can't walk up and put a boot in your door, you've
• 56:49
  brought the wrong car to the track.
• 56:51
  And number two, buy what you see in the paddock.
• 56:54
  So if you go to events, you know, NASA events or CCA or maybe your Porsche
• 56:58
  Club or whatever, if you see nine 40 fours and you see E 36 s and Miatas and
• 57:04
  Volkswagens and Hondas, that's what you should be buying as your track weapon.
• 57:09
  Not the, you know, the Studebaker.
• 57:11
  Avanti because you think it's cool and you wanna show everybody how cool
• 57:14
  it is, you're gonna be left on the side of the paddock by yourself trying
• 57:18
  to figure out how to get that thing and cont get that thing to continue
• 57:21
  running versus, Hey, do you have a spare throttle body for a anemia?
• 57:25
  Sure, I got 12.
• 57:27
  Just grab one off the truck.
• 57:28
  Give, leave me five bucks.
• 57:29
  You know, that kind of thing.
• 57:30
  Mm-hmm.
• 57:33
  So now I agree.
• 57:34
  So now that we're done with the introduction, let's get
• 57:36
  to the meat of the podcast.
• 57:37
  Yeah, we, so just in case our, our listenerships did not overlap as much
• 57:43
  as I, I think they should or think they could because we both have kind
• 57:46
  of aligned in terms of what we're trying to do for the sport and, and
• 57:50
  trying to get people into the sport.
• 57:52
  I thought I would go over a few of your episodes that stood out
• 57:56
  and we could talk about them here.
• 57:58
  Okay.
• 57:59
  And go over 'em.
• 58:00
  So, Episode, I think it was three, maybe four, way back, way back.
• 58:07
  You had starter cars that were, you think would be great.
• 58:12
  And it could be for the road, or it could be for the track.
• 58:14
  And especially I wanted to get into, um, selection criteria and we, I think we just
• 58:19
  did a little bit of the typical examples, but just in case for our listeners, what
• 58:23
  was, what was the, uh, results of this?
• 58:26
  Episodes, sir?
• 58:27
  Yeah, so that kicked off our, what Should I Buy?
• 58:31
  Series, which started in print.
• 58:33
  It also was on Slack.
• 58:35
  A lot of arguments over the years.
• 58:36
  People coming into the sport and saying, you know what?
• 58:39
  I did run what I brung.
• 58:40
  I don't wanna drive my 2003 Civic, you know, what do I wanna buy as a track car?
• 58:45
  You know, I want something that I can abuse.
• 58:48
  So trivia, if anybody's playing the game at home, that was not our first recorded.
• 58:53
  What should I buy?
• 58:53
  Episode of the V8 convertibles was actually the first one, but
• 58:56
  in order, the starter track cars had to come first to kind of set
• 59:00
  the credibility and set the stage.
• 59:02
  How we determined that list was basically based on the two guiding principles.
• 59:08
  We just said.
• 59:09
  Cars that are commodity cars, uh, huge aftermarket following, easy to
• 59:14
  get parts for, and were basically 10,000 bucks or less, right?
• 59:18
  It's pretty cheap.
• 59:19
  And everybody's got one.
• 59:20
  So on that list included cars like E 36 and E 46, BMWs, C c5, Corvette.
• 59:27
  The B R Z is an outlier cause it's more expensive and it's a lot newer,
• 59:30
  but it's still relatively cheap.
• 59:31
  It's, you know, less than 30 grand.
• 59:33
  If you're gonna buy one brand new these days they've come down in price.
• 59:36
  Nine 40 fours, three 50 Zs front wheel drive cars like Volkswagen
• 59:40
  and Civics and things like that.
• 59:42
  So that was our starter, you know, list.
• 59:44
  You know, you don't, to Brad's point, you're not Schumacher.
• 59:47
  You're not Senna.
• 59:49
  Yeah.
• 59:49
  You might own a GT 3 9 11 or you know, a Audi Rs.
• 59:54
  Four or something like that.
• 59:56
  Those cars with all their nannies and computers are going to
• 59:58
  disguise a lot of your bad habits.
• 1:00:01
  Learning how to drive a slower car, a driver's car, a more primitive car
• 1:00:05
  fast is gonna make you a better driver.
• 1:00:08
  So that's what, as long as you fit in the car.
• 1:00:10
  Yeah.
• 1:00:10
  Yeah, a hundred percent.
• 1:00:12
  What about, uh, you know, I've seen people with fully prepped race
• 1:00:19
  cars, arrow and slicks in HBD one, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna pose a.
• 1:00:25
  Retort to that in the form of a question.
• 1:00:27
  And I bring this up in my classroom sessions at Emra, and I have a
• 1:00:32
  couple slides that go with it.
• 1:00:33
  And I ask these folks, you know, they show up with cars like that
• 1:00:36
  and I, and I say, do you even know what any of this stuff does?
• 1:00:39
  And I get this kind of blank stare or confusion, like, what are you
• 1:00:42
  talk, where are you going with this?
• 1:00:43
  And then I ask, do you have a wind tunnel at home?
• 1:00:46
  And then I get this other kind of like side eye like, okay, where's he
• 1:00:49
  going now I always have it subscribed to the idea that you never mod a
• 1:00:55
  car past your ability to drive it.
• 1:00:57
  But then there are also mods that you cannot prove work.
• 1:01:01
  So you can take a page outta Mighty Car Mods playbook and figure
• 1:01:04
  out which air filter does and doesn't work for your application.
• 1:01:07
  And that's a good way to go stop buying parts because you think they look cool,
• 1:01:11
  especially if they don't work, they could be robbing you of horsepower.
• 1:01:13
  But when you talk about Arrow and you know, I've seen crazy things,
• 1:01:16
  you know, splitters made of plywood and all sorts of nutty things,
• 1:01:20
  especially in the time trial world.
• 1:01:22
  But if you can't prove to me that any of that stuff works,
• 1:01:24
  don't bolt it to your car.
• 1:01:26
  But to.
• 1:01:28
  Kind of counter that a little bit.
• 1:01:29
  Some of those people may be showing up with a rented car.
• 1:01:32
  True, especially in H P D one.
• 1:01:34
  They may be borrowing a friend's car or they're renting a car that just
• 1:01:38
  happens to be a spec me out or whatever.
• 1:01:41
  And to them, I mean, yeah, please come out and, you know, drive
• 1:01:43
  whatever you have available to you.
• 1:01:45
  I would suggest that if the car that's a spec Miata, for example, asks the
• 1:01:51
  person renting the car to you to put street tires on instead of, you know,
• 1:01:56
  the slicks or the, the competition tires, and ask them maybe to put a less
• 1:02:00
  grippier brake pad so you can actually drive the car that your capabilities
• 1:02:05
  instead of the car's capabilities.
• 1:02:08
  And there's the other side of that.
• 1:02:09
  I mean, I, we can say, especially in our area, there's countless E 36 s when
• 1:02:13
  you walk through the paddock that all have the same design, the same canards,
• 1:02:16
  the same splitter from from heart motorsports, the same, uh, you know,
• 1:02:20
  spoiler, all this stuff and everybody's copying everybody else, but nobody can
• 1:02:24
  tell you who said that was a good idea.
• 1:02:26
  And then you get, and then you get the guy that comes in with the four door,
• 1:02:30
  M three with no arrow, and he wipes the floor with everybody by two seconds.
• 1:02:34
  So is it the car in the setup or is it the driver?
• 1:02:37
  Which is it?
• 1:02:38
  So that's why I take issue with some of those mods and
• 1:02:40
  say, a, are you ready for 'em?
• 1:02:42
  And B, do they actually work?
• 1:02:45
  Hmm.
• 1:02:47
  Very cool.
• 1:02:49
  It's Vicky.
• 1:02:53
  Um, have, what is your, uh, decisions and your thoughts on, um, track
• 1:02:59
  insurance pluses and minuses?
• 1:03:03
  So we have been very fortunate to interview several track insurance
• 1:03:07
  companies, episodes forthcoming.
• 1:03:09
  You know, there are huge benefits to it if you have something of value.
• 1:03:14
  Now, I'm not saying that not all cars have value, but if you have an old mark,
• 1:03:19
  two G t I x i t B car that you bought off a racing junk, I mean, what's it worth?
• 1:03:24
  Right?
• 1:03:24
  You're not gonna get, even if you're running an H P D Yeah,
• 1:03:27
  declare value's, awesome.
• 1:03:28
  You can walk away from it, but it's not a car that.
• 1:03:32
  It personally would pay me if I wrecked it.
• 1:03:34
  Like I'm always of the opinion, buy a car you could walk away from, uh,
• 1:03:38
  like we were talking about before.
• 1:03:39
  But yeah, if you have a GT 3, 9 11 or you're running a Viper or
• 1:03:42
  a brand new C8 Corvette, yeah, track insurance, absolutely.
• 1:03:45
  Because you're probably still paying on that car or, or whatever have you.
• 1:03:49
  Or you know, you saved all your pennies and that's your dream card.
• 1:03:52
  No, you don't wanna wreck it.
• 1:03:54
  But there's also the other side of that, if you don't wanna pay the price
• 1:03:58
  for track insurance, then listen.
• 1:04:01
  Not a hundred percent, 200% to everything your instructor tells you,
• 1:04:05
  because you need to make sure that you take it home as shiny as it arrived.
• 1:04:09
  So there's that side of it.
• 1:04:10
  So again, to Brad's point, you're not Nigel Mansel or ta Tio Noval or whatever.
• 1:04:16
  Come, be prepared to learn.
• 1:04:18
  Humble yourself.
• 1:04:19
  Take it down a couple notches.
• 1:04:20
  Yes, you've got the fastest car in beginner group, but you're also the
• 1:04:24
  biggest fish in the smallest pond, right?
• 1:04:26
  So you need to work up to it.
• 1:04:27
  So truck insurance is a good thing.
• 1:04:29
  I like the fact that it exists.
• 1:04:30
  I think it needed to be there for a long time.
• 1:04:33
  The huge benefit for me as an instructor is that it covers me as well.
• 1:04:38
  Uh, not all companies, but there are companies that will cover
• 1:04:40
  the coach at the same time.
• 1:04:42
  So that's important.
• 1:04:44
  But, but, but Brad, I, I drive 25 or 30,000 miles a year for my job, so
• 1:04:50
  you know, I'm gonna be naturally good at this cuz I'm an excellent driver.
• 1:04:55
  No, no, you're not.
• 1:04:59
  And what you can do, yes, you can go out and you can, we can play a game.
• 1:05:03
  I will.
• 1:05:04
  Let you drive the way you wanna drive.
• 1:05:07
  We'll, we'll time you we're not supposed to do this, cuz it's
• 1:05:09
  not a timed event, but whatever.
• 1:05:10
  This is my fantasy.
• 1:05:12
  So, we'll time you and then we're gonna take you out in my car
• 1:05:15
  and we're gonna time me and then I'm gonna show you how you suck.
• 1:05:20
  Wow.
• 1:05:23
  So, so the student's nickname in this case is Hoover.
• 1:05:26
  Okay.
• 1:05:27
  Very well.
• 1:05:28
  It's the, uh, the, the suck cut.
• 1:05:31
  Yes.
• 1:05:31
  Yes.
• 1:05:31
  Suck.
• 1:05:32
  Cut.
• 1:05:33
  It sucks while it cuts.
• 1:05:35
  I mean, there's something to be said about that.
• 1:05:37
  There's a lot of people, especially here in the dmv, the speeds have
• 1:05:41
  picked up a lot lately in the highways.
• 1:05:42
  I don't know about where you guys are.
• 1:05:44
  Yeah.
• 1:05:44
  But everybody seems to be able to do a hundred miles an hour now with
• 1:05:47
  no issues because, you know, the cars are safer and blah, blah, blah.
• 1:05:50
  The speed limit be damned, you know, that sort of thing.
• 1:05:52
  And, and I, I find myself, you know, even let's say five miles over the
• 1:05:55
  limit, getting past like I'm parked.
• 1:05:58
  But the difference is, What I bring home from the track is massive
• 1:06:03
  amounts of situational awareness.
• 1:06:05
  Thinking ahead, planning ahead, looking ahead, you know,
• 1:06:08
  constantly checking my mirrors.
• 1:06:09
  So I, I've said more than once even to my wife, and we've seen things
• 1:06:12
  unfold where I'm like, watch this rack.
• 1:06:14
  And she goes, what do you mean?
• 1:06:15
  And I'm like, just wait for it, right?
• 1:06:17
  Because people just aren't paying attention.
• 1:06:19
  So on the road it's easy to squeeze the thin pedal and go fast.
• 1:06:22
  As long as your car has any modicum of horsepower, the difference comes in.
• 1:06:27
  Yeah, you might be able to take that long swooping double
• 1:06:30
  lane ramp at 80 miles an hour.
• 1:06:33
  But it's really different on Shenandoah and Watkins Glen and v i r.
• 1:06:37
  When you're putting the car to its limits and trying to take that turn at
• 1:06:40
  90, a hundred plus or, or whatever have you, there's, there's not the space.
• 1:06:45
  It's not the same, and it doesn't a hundred percent translate.
• 1:06:48
  My dad used to tell me that all the time.
• 1:06:50
  Just because you think you can drive in the street doesn't mean
• 1:06:52
  you can drive anywhere else.
• 1:06:53
  And also, who's putting 30,000 miles a year on their car post covid.
• 1:06:58
  Everybody's working from home.
• 1:07:00
  You, you went from putting 30,000 miles on your car to putting, you're rusty.
• 1:07:03
  You're putting 6,000 miles on your car now.
• 1:07:07
  This is true.
• 1:07:08
  This is true.
• 1:07:09
  Oh, the best one to, to, to dovetail off of that is the best ones that, oh,
• 1:07:12
  well, I, I played this track in Forza.
• 1:07:14
  I know what I'm doing.
• 1:07:15
  Oh, geez.
• 1:07:15
  Don't even get me started.
• 1:07:17
  I do this in iRacing all the time.
• 1:07:18
  I'm a pro.
• 1:07:19
  All right.
• 1:07:19
  Let me give you the number one thing and we, we've talked to some eSports people.
• 1:07:23
  If you think you can drive because you drive iRacing and I get how
• 1:07:26
  popular it is or Aceto, Corsa or Forza or any of those, that's awesome.
• 1:07:30
  You know, which way turn 10 goes at, at Watkins Glen, or which
• 1:07:35
  way the oak tree goes at v i r.
• 1:07:37
  Great.
• 1:07:38
  You know what's missing from all the simulations, because it can't be
• 1:07:41
  simulated, is the elevation changes that you experience, especially at the
• 1:07:45
  coast on, at the tracks on the east coast there is, when you get there you
• 1:07:49
  realize, oh, the 3D scanning and all that, it's beautiful, it's gorgeous, it's 4k.
• 1:07:53
  But what they failed to tell you is those cameras were mounted to
• 1:07:57
  a car and when you go up a hill, everything looks really, really flat.
• 1:08:01
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:01
  So that's what you're missing is camera elevation and then the real physics.
• 1:08:05
  That ass in the seat, as Hanuk used to say, his best tool
• 1:08:10
  was what he was sitting on.
• 1:08:11
  What he, when he was driving.
• 1:08:12
  You don't get that in the sim world.
• 1:08:15
  If you don't believe him.
• 1:08:17
  Go to Road Atlanta, drive in, you're not even on the track yet.
• 1:08:20
  Just go through the gate and tell me that's what the sim looks like.
• 1:08:24
  Cause it doesn't, 10 A through 12, you might as well be driving off a building.
• 1:08:29
  I mean, it's pretty much huge.
• 1:08:31
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:32
  For sure.
• 1:08:32
  Wow.
• 1:08:34
  So, um, what about diagnosis of car issues?
• 1:08:37
  I mean, how did you come about learning, working on cars?
• 1:08:43
  Have you always done it or do you have references?
• 1:08:45
  Did you learn, tell me your story.
• 1:08:49
  I've always let Eric work on my cars.
• 1:08:52
  This is a true, this is a true statement.
• 1:08:53
  So that's where he got all his experience.
• 1:08:56
  Something to do with the first name of B starting with a B.
• 1:08:59
  That's what it's So I am fix that is for sure.
• 1:09:03
  Uh, like was it a fix it Felix and a wreck?
• 1:09:05
  It Ralph, that's me.
• 1:09:06
  But uh, he's wreck it Ralph.
• 1:09:08
  Right.
• 1:09:09
  So are you a tinkerer?
• 1:09:11
  Me?
• 1:09:12
  Yeah.
• 1:09:12
  No.
• 1:09:12
  Well, so the thing is, you know, going back to my, you
• 1:09:16
  know, my history in cars, I.
• 1:09:19
  My grandfather grew up in a time where you worked on 'em yourselves, right?
• 1:09:22
  You had to fix the ambassador's cars and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:09:24
  My dad the same thing.
• 1:09:25
  You know, back then you didn't take it to the mechanic, you did it yourself.
• 1:09:28
  So I grew up in a family where, you know that immigrant tenacity, you rolled
• 1:09:33
  up your sleeves, you didn't take it to the mechanic, you learned how to do it.
• 1:09:36
  So I wrote an article about this years ago.
• 1:09:38
  We just recently did an episode, a reprisal on Father's Day called
• 1:09:42
  Come Here and Hold the Light.
• 1:09:44
  And it was all about spending time in the garage with your dad and learning,
• 1:09:47
  you know, by osmosis, curse word or otherwise, you know how to work on cars.
• 1:09:51
  So growing up with.
• 1:09:54
  As a dinosaur.
• 1:09:55
  Carbureted cars, manual cars, not only manual transmission, but we're talking My
• 1:10:00
  nine 14 is manual brakes, manual clutch.
• 1:10:02
  It's manual everything.
• 1:10:03
  Manual steering, right?
• 1:10:05
  So growing up in a, you know, old school Porsche of UW Audi
• 1:10:08
  family, that's what you lived with.
• 1:10:09
  So you got really good at diagnosing issues and listening to the car.
• 1:10:14
  You know, my dad was never one to have anything stock,
• 1:10:17
  so everything had an exhaust.
• 1:10:18
  I got really good at identifying, you know, when a miss or when
• 1:10:22
  it wasn't running right or which car was going by me, he would do
• 1:10:25
  these, close your eyes, you know, tell me which cars are in traffic.
• 1:10:28
  All sorts of weird stuff, right?
• 1:10:29
  Oh, these, all these Jedi mind tricks that I learned over the years.
• 1:10:33
  So from that spawned, I guess you guys are leading to the seven deadly
• 1:10:37
  sins or the seven deadly sounds.
• 1:10:39
  And so that came from Brad and I talking about, you know, as he wanted
• 1:10:44
  to branch out on his own, how do I diagnose some of these issues?
• 1:10:47
  How do I tell the difference between a wheel bearing that's going bad and
• 1:10:50
  the brake pads and things like that?
• 1:10:52
  And we wanted to take that and.
• 1:10:54
  Bestow that upon our students as well and to, you know, everything
• 1:10:57
  happens at a higher speed on track, so you need to be cognizant of what
• 1:11:01
  this grind means versus that grind.
• 1:11:03
  And it's not the one between third and fourth gear.
• 1:11:06
  It's, you know, when you're going into turn one at Watkins Glen at
• 1:11:09
  a buck 20, and you suddenly break the hub because you knew the wheel
• 1:11:12
  bearing was going and you ignored it.
• 1:11:13
  You know, that sort of thing to ask me how I know.
• 1:11:16
  Yeah.
• 1:11:17
  But that, that said, you know, it is really important to use all of your
• 1:11:21
  senses when you're dealing with a car.
• 1:11:25
  I, I don't recommend taste usually, but, you know, smell, sight,
• 1:11:29
  you know, knowing your colors.
• 1:11:31
  We talk about that a lot.
• 1:11:32
  We actually translated this into what we call a car care clinic,
• 1:11:35
  which we did for some high schools, and trying to teach those kids as
• 1:11:38
  they were going away from home.
• 1:11:40
  You know, you don't have to call mom and dad every five minutes, but learn how
• 1:11:43
  to tell your mechanic or advanced auto.
• 1:11:46
  What it is that you're experiencing as your problem.
• 1:11:49
  So we're, we're all about education.
• 1:11:51
  We love, like, you know, passing that information along and
• 1:11:54
  that's part of the enthusiasm.
• 1:11:56
  Hmm.
• 1:11:57
  Um, what about your, uh, track day hangover episodes, tips and tricks,
• 1:12:06
  especially in the heater cold?
• 1:12:10
  So, it's a real thing.
• 1:12:11
  I had it on Monday and you know, the hangover is a loaded term.
• 1:12:15
  It, you know, a lot of people Oh, cause you were drinking beer all weekend.
• 1:12:18
  No, I, I'm not a, I'm not a heavy drinker, neither is Brad a beer.
• 1:12:23
  Unfortunately, as we discussed on the episode, is it dehydrates
• 1:12:26
  you on top of everything else.
• 1:12:27
  But really the track hangover is a result of being out in the sun all day
• 1:12:30
  at places like v i r and the Glen where they have no shade of any kind and you
• 1:12:35
  don't drink, you don't drink enough.
• 1:12:37
  Yeah, you don't hydrate properly.
• 1:12:38
  You don't eat properly.
• 1:12:39
  I mean, yep.
• 1:12:40
  A lot of people, even when they go away from home, whether it be a
• 1:12:43
  track day or anything, they just, they don't eat properly because you
• 1:12:46
  don't have your, your food there.
• 1:12:49
  You can't prepare your own food, so you're always eating out.
• 1:12:51
  And what do you do when you eat out?
• 1:12:52
  You get a steak or you get a burger, or you get a pizza or something.
• 1:12:56
  And so people just, all of that compounds into Yeah, just
• 1:13:01
  feeling like complete trash.
• 1:13:02
  Like the first thing I wanna do when I come home from a track event, uh,
• 1:13:06
  either a track event I'm driving at, or a pro race or whatever.
• 1:13:09
  The first you can ask my wife.
• 1:13:11
  I've done this on numerous occasions.
• 1:13:12
  The first thing I do is I come home and I eat a salad.
• 1:13:14
  I eat the biggest salad I can just to get some sort of green nutrients,
• 1:13:18
  because yes, Bill's making weird faces.
• 1:13:21
  Bill's like no porterhouse steak with a one on it.
• 1:13:24
  Come on now.
• 1:13:24
  Well, because I had fried chicken and porterhouse and all that stuff while I was
• 1:13:28
  out, so I need to come back and just load up on, you know, some, some leafy greens.
• 1:13:34
  So, to Brad's point, Yes, a hundred percent.
• 1:13:37
  I agree with that.
• 1:13:37
  I did the same thing when I got home from the Glen this weekend after the SRO event.
• 1:13:41
  I was just like wasted and you know, not burnt from the sun,
• 1:13:44
  but I didn't hydrate enough.
• 1:13:46
  I do subscribe to everything that Ken said on the episode.
• 1:13:49
  Pre hydration is key, so I pre hydrate lots of vegetable-based proteins, you
• 1:13:54
  know, dense vegetable-based proteins.
• 1:13:56
  I really do follow along with what he said.
• 1:13:59
  Part of the reason we had him on the show, not only is he a personal
• 1:14:01
  friend, colleague, et cetera, he used to race motorcycles.
• 1:14:04
  Motorcycles are intense.
• 1:14:05
  Take what we do, and now put yourself in full leathers on a hot bike.
• 1:14:11
  As close to the asphalt, which is, you know, 200 degrees as possible.
• 1:14:14
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:14:15
  So Ken comes from that world and he's like, look, we had to develop
• 1:14:18
  a regimen to keep ourselves from having that track going over.
• 1:14:22
  And so when I reached out to him, because he changed careers, he had
• 1:14:25
  his midlife crisis, and, uh, he went in to be a nutritionist full-time.
• 1:14:29
  I said, Ken, this is a golden opportunity for us to really have this
• 1:14:32
  conversation and help educate some people on what they're doing wrong
• 1:14:36
  and how they can go to work on Monday.
• 1:14:38
  You know, like the old Ford race on the weekend, go to work on Monday.
• 1:14:42
  You want your body to be the same way.
• 1:14:44
  And so that episode is really, really important for that reason.
• 1:14:47
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:14:48
  And, and on top of all of that, it is just running on adrenaline
• 1:14:52
  depending on what, especially depending on what level that you're at.
• 1:14:57
  Yep.
• 1:14:57
  You gotta figure your body is a hundred percent on the entire time.
• 1:15:03
  And that just absolute dream.
• 1:15:04
  I, I, I feel it.
• 1:15:07
  Yeah.
• 1:15:07
  And I don't know, I don't know about you all, but whenever I go away to a
• 1:15:11
  track event, I never sleep properly.
• 1:15:13
  Just, I don't either.
• 1:15:15
  I, I get maybe, I mean, I'll, I'll try to go to bed at nine o'clock at night.
• 1:15:20
  I won't, I will lay there in the bed and not fall asleep until midnight.
• 1:15:24
  And then you gotta wake up at 5:36 AM to to prepare for the, for the event, whether
• 1:15:30
  you gotta go to the instructor's meeting or whatever, or you gotta get your car
• 1:15:33
  off the trail, or you have to fix broken axles before your first session mm-hmm.
• 1:15:36
  Or whatever.
• 1:15:37
  Yeah.
• 1:15:37
  But I don't, I don't know anybody that actually sleeps properly.
• 1:15:40
  So not, not only are you malnourished, you're sleep deprived and all of that
• 1:15:44
  is just, it's a recipe for disaster.
• 1:15:47
  Yeah.
• 1:15:47
  Um, I know, I know in our instance is that I don't even
• 1:15:50
  sleep well going into the race.
• 1:15:52
  Correct.
• 1:15:53
  You know, like the couple days before, whether it's, you know, thinking of stuff
• 1:15:56
  that has to go, um, you're all hyped up, you're trying to make sure everything,
• 1:16:00
  all your, you know, I are dotted and t's are crossed before you get there.
• 1:16:05
  So I don't even sleep well going into it.
• 1:16:08
  And then sleep deprived elsewhere.
• 1:16:11
  So, so one of the top tips I give the trialers at Emera is
• 1:16:15
  what I call the nine lap rule.
• 1:16:17
  So if you can't, if you can't do it in nine laps, you're hurting
• 1:16:21
  yourself and you're hurting the car.
• 1:16:22
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:16:23
  Three warm, three hot, three cold, get the heck off the track.
• 1:16:26
  Cuz otherwise you're wasting your time.
• 1:16:28
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:16:29
  Unless it's an endurance race.
• 1:16:30
  True.
• 1:16:31
  But, you know, yeah.
• 1:16:33
  Jay, you're happy to make nine laps at that point.
• 1:16:36
  Right?
• 1:16:37
  So, so I heard this foreign concept, I, I believe Brad said it.
• 1:16:40
  He, he said that people wake up early to prepare the car for the event.
• 1:16:48
  I've never experienced that.
• 1:16:49
  I've, I've, I've heard about these things, but, oh wait, sorry.
• 1:16:53
  Uh, that was out loud anyway.
• 1:16:55
  Um, are you saying you're fully prepared before you get there
• 1:17:00
  or you just No, I'm saying he's, his mechanic works on the car.
• 1:17:03
  I'm saying I'm the only one who gets up in the morning.
• 1:17:06
  But anyway, it's, we've got a lot of coffee people, so we have an award, by
• 1:17:10
  the way, called the, uh, what is it?
• 1:17:13
  The old leg award.
• 1:17:14
  You fixed it in the paddock.
• 1:17:15
  That's for the guys that didn't prep, did all their stuff that
• 1:17:18
  day, stuff broke and then they still managed to get out on track.
• 1:17:21
  And the last time that happened, somebody pulled the transmission, did a clutch
• 1:17:24
  job and still managed to get out on track cuz you know, they needed to get it done.
• 1:17:28
  Yeah.
• 1:17:28
  But my favorite are the people, cuz we've got a couple of 'em in our club.
• 1:17:32
  They sign up for a track event.
• 1:17:34
  They pay for a track event, they show up to a track event, and then
• 1:17:37
  they spend the entire track event prepping the car for the event to the
• 1:17:42
  point where it's Sunday afternoon, there's one session left in the day.
• 1:17:47
  And they get to drive half of it.
• 1:17:50
  We'll talk about Mat Man, mountain Man band, like that.
• 1:17:52
  Oh, there are, there are a couple others that I could talk about.
• 1:17:56
  Basically, they do their winter prep at the first traffic.
• 1:17:59
  Oh Lord.
• 1:18:00
  The most expensive garage time ever.
• 1:18:03
  Yep.
• 1:18:03
  Well, I can't, I mean, I gotta say that early, early, early on when
• 1:18:07
  we didn't know anything about cars or car maintenance or anything.
• 1:18:13
  Correct.
• 1:18:13
  We were those people.
• 1:18:15
  No.
• 1:18:15
  You know, we, we tried to do it, we just didn't know what it meant.
• 1:18:19
  Yeah.
• 1:18:19
  We, we learned the hard way.
• 1:18:23
  So, so you ready for the delusions of a, a newbie?
• 1:18:26
  So we go to our first endurance race.
• 1:18:28
  We bring our car, we've prepared our car.
• 1:18:31
  We go out there, the car goes round and round.
• 1:18:33
  We put the car away at the end, we drive home.
• 1:18:35
  This is easy.
• 1:18:36
  So what do we do?
• 1:18:38
  Second race.
• 1:18:40
  Hey, let's get four more people and we can have two cars.
• 1:18:44
  Cuz this is easy.
• 1:18:45
  You just prepare the car, bring it to the track, goes round
• 1:18:50
  and round and put it away.
• 1:18:51
  How hard can this be?
• 1:18:53
  No, no.
• 1:18:54
  I gotta add on to that too.
• 1:18:55
  Half of our group are teenagers.
• 1:18:57
  Yes.
• 1:18:58
  Cause it's easy.
• 1:18:59
  Well there, there's your problem right there.
• 1:19:01
  Yes.
• 1:19:02
  And the other half pretended to be teenagers, at least in behavior.
• 1:19:05
  Yeah.
• 1:19:05
  So it was great.
• 1:19:06
  It was awesome.
• 1:19:07
  There's the reset button.
• 1:19:08
  Yeah.
• 1:19:08
  Yeah.
• 1:19:09
  Two.
• 1:19:09
  Two cars is eight x one car.
• 1:19:12
  Anyway.
• 1:19:13
  All right gentlemen.
• 1:19:15
  You've been doing this podcast for a couple of years now.
• 1:19:17
  I need to know the biggest aha moments you got from your podcast so far.
• 1:19:23
  Could be hopefully in car control.
• 1:19:26
  Could be something mechanical, could be something racing, could be something in
• 1:19:29
  approach or prep or anything you got.
• 1:19:32
  Any aha moments that you guys are like, oh wow.
• 1:19:37
  Ooh.
• 1:19:41
  Uh, think about this.
• 1:19:43
  I stomped them, Becky.
• 1:19:44
  I know, I hear Well, it's, it's because our guests are so different.
• 1:19:49
  They are.
• 1:19:49
  And how, what are you saying?
• 1:19:52
  Well, because diverse, I think he says, okay.
• 1:19:55
  Well, in the sense that, like, for instance, I know you guys have
• 1:19:58
  interviewed like Randy, right?
• 1:20:00
  Yep.
• 1:20:00
  Yep.
• 1:20:01
  Or Randy Popes for those who are listening.
• 1:20:02
  So if I, if I had Randy Popes on, I'd be diving into his past and talking about
• 1:20:08
  how he grew up and tell me about bracing FS overseas and, you know, who else do
• 1:20:13
  you know, you know, did, did you have a grudge match against Andy Pilgrim?
• 1:20:16
  Which he didn't.
• 1:20:16
  They're like good friends, you know, stuff like that.
• 1:20:19
  And, but I would never, I guess never would I ever, but.
• 1:20:23
  I wouldn't ask him about driving technique.
• 1:20:25
  Right.
• 1:20:25
  That's your guys' thing.
• 1:20:26
  I'd be more like, I, I just wanna know his story.
• 1:20:29
  I wanna know story time.
• 1:20:30
  Yeah.
• 1:20:30
  Yeah.
• 1:20:31
  I want people to be motivated and inspired to say, I can do what Randy does.
• 1:20:35
  I wanna be like, Randy, you know, there's plenty of other talk tracks out there,
• 1:20:40
  especially, you know, all of us look to Ross Bentley as kind of the pinnacle on
• 1:20:44
  this thing in terms of driving techniques with speed secrets and all that.
• 1:20:47
  So, Have we had aha moments?
• 1:20:49
  Absolutely.
• 1:20:50
  But they've come in the weirdest ways because of people's backstories,
• 1:20:54
  how they got to where they are.
• 1:20:56
  You look at Rob Holland's story about how, how he started as a pro cyclist mm-hmm.
• 1:21:00
  And how he's a professional driver for many, many years.
• 1:21:03
  He's got, you know, he, uh, he's got records all over the place.
• 1:21:07
  You look at Andy's backstory, he comes from humble beginnings As an
• 1:21:09
  immigrant from, from the uk you look at, um, even people that are related
• 1:21:15
  to the car world, but not in the car world like Barbie, the welder.
• 1:21:18
  I mean, she's got an amazing backstory.
• 1:21:20
  Absolutely inspirational.
• 1:21:22
  And, and Chuck Bennett from Zamal, right?
• 1:21:24
  They got all these.
• 1:21:26
  How did they get their moments right?
• 1:21:28
  And it's, those are the things that we really cherish, and there's been
• 1:21:31
  a lot of those just really amazing stories that we've been able to
• 1:21:36
  capture and share with our audience.
• 1:21:38
  I think my aha moment, you know, I, I, I, you know, second everything that Eric
• 1:21:42
  just said, but if I had to choose just an aha moment, it would be Andy's story
• 1:21:49
  specifically and how he started so late.
• 1:21:53
  Yes.
• 1:21:53
  And he got, he got his start in racing and everything so late in life, and that
• 1:21:57
  contradicts everything you hear about, oh, if you wanna be the next Lewis
• 1:22:01
  Hamilton, you've gotta, you've gotta start carting when you're two or three years
• 1:22:06
  old and you gotta start super young and you gotta, that didn't happen for him.
• 1:22:11
  He didn't start till what?
• 1:22:12
  He was in his forties.
• 1:22:13
  Yeah.
• 1:22:13
  He didn't get his professional seat and his gig with GM until he was 40 and
• 1:22:18
  that just expired a couple years ago.
• 1:22:19
  He's been a factory driver for GM and Cadillac and all that
• 1:22:23
  for the last, you know, 20.
• 1:22:25
  He's 64 years old now, so almost 25 years.
• 1:22:27
  So the a the aha moment is basically, you can do it too,
• 1:22:31
  follow you, you, you can do it too.
• 1:22:32
  Follow your dreams.
• 1:22:33
  It doesn't matter how old you are, you can start whenever you want.
• 1:22:36
  You could be 70 years old, you'll get a platinum license
• 1:22:40
  or whatever, but you won't.
• 1:22:41
  Bronze, bronze, bronze.
• 1:22:43
  Now, oh, sorry, you, you'll get a bronze license.
• 1:22:45
  You won't get a pro license.
• 1:22:46
  But I mean, follow your dreams.
• 1:22:48
  Who cares?
• 1:22:49
  Don't listen to these people that tell you you won't succeed because they
• 1:22:51
  don't know what they're talking about.
• 1:22:53
  I mean, there's other people that have gobsmacked us,
• 1:22:55
  like Johann Schwartz, right?
• 1:22:57
  He's the Guinness Book.
• 1:22:57
  That was amazing.
• 1:22:58
  Yes.
• 1:22:58
  He's the Guinness Book world record holder for the longest drift.
• 1:23:02
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:23:02
  It, it's eight hours in A B M W, over 200 miles.
• 1:23:05
  He also holds the current ev record at v i r in the, uh, Tesla.
• 1:23:10
  Tesla plaid.
• 1:23:11
  Plaid.
• 1:23:11
  And so we got a chance to sit down with him, and he's an amazing guy.
• 1:23:15
  Again, another immigrant came over from Denmark, and you know, his backstory
• 1:23:20
  on how he got into motorsports and professional racing and all that
• 1:23:23
  is just, it's inspiring and we hope that other people get excited about
• 1:23:27
  that and say, yeah, you know, like I said before, you can do it too.
• 1:23:30
  There's always an opportunity Captain's Log supplemental.
• 1:23:41
  So Miss Vicky?
• 1:23:43
  Yes, sir.
• 1:23:44
  Do you remember when we were watching those WR r l events and some of those
• 1:23:47
  Grid life events where you used to see the in-car video and it had like the,
• 1:23:52
  the cameras seeing front and back, but it also could see all the telemetry
• 1:23:56
  and everything that was going on?
• 1:23:58
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:23:59
  You know, most of the ones that we liked were taken by the Sentinel system.
• 1:24:04
  Remember James came on our podcast earlier, right?
• 1:24:08
  You know, we have no excuse.
• 1:24:09
  Since he, uh, lent us one for trial and demonstration purposes, we
• 1:24:12
  should actually probably put that in one of our cars, maybe two.
• 1:24:15
  I really think we should.
• 1:24:17
  I think we should, I know because then we'd look like the, uh, immature
• 1:24:23
  endurance racing team that we are.
• 1:24:25
  Oh wait, I mispronounced that, didn't I?
• 1:24:26
  Sorry.
• 1:24:26
  My bad.
• 1:24:29
  We could have, so does Sentinel System do, we could have three
• 1:24:32
  cameras with picture and picture.
• 1:24:34
  We could have, if we ever get the AIM system to work open invitation to
• 1:24:38
  anybody, for me to come on and give us a little bit of love, we need some help.
• 1:24:42
  Um, and then we could have all our telemetry on there and then we can have
• 1:24:46
  it streamed live into the paddock or around the world to our millions of fans.
• 1:24:51
  We're apparently very popular in Kenya right now.
• 1:24:53
  Don't know why, but that's fine.
• 1:24:56
  And it can integrate all the, uh, available race statistics from like
• 1:24:59
  race here and everything, so we could actually see how we're doing on video.
• 1:25:02
  We wouldn't even have to carry around our phone anymore live.
• 1:25:07
  I love it.
• 1:25:11
  All right, gentlemen, you've made it through the bulk of the podcast.
• 1:25:13
  Now we must object you to oh, the fast and furious story time questions we're
• 1:25:18
  gonna do, please, a section of them because we plan on having you back again.
• 1:25:23
  Oh.
• 1:25:24
  So Miss Vicky, would you care to choose a couple that we can, uh,
• 1:25:27
  subject, I mean, uh, ask them.
• 1:25:30
  All right.
• 1:25:31
  Uh, what was your first car and what was the worst car you've ever had?
• 1:25:38
  Ooh, Brad.
• 1:25:41
  My first car was a 1990 Honda Civic hatchback with four on the floor.
• 1:25:48
  My first car was an 87 and a half Audi Coop gt.
• 1:25:52
  Ooh, worst car.
• 1:25:58
  Ooh, that's a tough one.
• 1:26:02
  Let's pull up the list.
• 1:26:03
  Let's pull up the article Of all the cars we found about the
• 1:26:05
  list is really, really long.
• 1:26:07
  The list is 30 deep right now for me.
• 1:26:09
  I don't know.
• 1:26:09
  Yeah, I'm trying to think.
• 1:26:11
  Worst car I've ever owned.
• 1:26:14
  Uh,
• 1:26:19
  I've sort of loved all my cars.
• 1:26:21
  They've all had names.
• 1:26:23
  Good, bad or indifferent?
• 1:26:24
  I've had some that are, have been problem children, but I don't
• 1:26:28
  know that I've had a worst car.
• 1:26:30
  Okay.
• 1:26:30
  Which one had the worst name?
• 1:26:33
  Ooh.
• 1:26:33
  Oh, ooh.
• 1:26:35
  There was one I wouldn't name.
• 1:26:37
  That's the worst.
• 1:26:38
  That's the worst car.
• 1:26:39
  Yeah, I guess so.
• 1:26:40
  So that car is driven daily by Mountain Manan.
• 1:26:44
  Uh, it was my idiot idiotic idea to build a diesel cup car out of a Jetta,
• 1:26:51
  and I was making ungodly torque.
• 1:26:53
  I blew it up, rebuilt it.
• 1:26:55
  Dan blew it up.
• 1:26:56
  We rebuilt it again.
• 1:26:57
  It's been through several blowups.
• 1:26:59
  It, it, it was like, it was, it was like Voldemort.
• 1:27:02
  I mean, I just could not name that car, but it still runs today, three engines
• 1:27:06
  later and, and everything else that's been through hell and high water.
• 1:27:10
  Yeah, maybe that was the worst car.
• 1:27:12
  I mean, tied for that would be the Mark two GTI that I bought
• 1:27:14
  because the water pump fell out of it as I was going down the road.
• 1:27:17
  That was kind of fun.
• 1:27:19
  Uh, you added, you added lightness.
• 1:27:22
  I did.
• 1:27:23
  I did.
• 1:27:23
  And the other car that would probably be a tie to the mark two G t i I inherited my
• 1:27:29
  dad's, uh, second gen Audi Cuatro coupe.
• 1:27:31
  We called it the Mule.
• 1:27:33
  320,000 miles on the thing.
• 1:27:37
  He was the second owner.
• 1:27:38
  It still had the original clutch gray cart.
• 1:27:40
  It was a tank.
• 1:27:41
  I mean, it was my snowmobile for years, but, It flooded constantly.
• 1:27:47
  Like it was major pain in the ass because it was frameless doors, which
• 1:27:52
  is a cool thing in the nineties.
• 1:27:54
  And it had a, it had the sunroof that constantly leaked, like all Volkswagens
• 1:27:57
  and Audis at that time period.
• 1:27:59
  So it was a nightmare to keep it dry.
• 1:28:01
  But I loved it, but I hated it.
• 1:28:03
  But I loved it, but I hated it.
• 1:28:04
  And I finally regretted sold it and uh, a guy drove it from my house all the way to
• 1:28:11
  Florida and I said, just do me one favor.
• 1:28:13
  Let me know that you got there.
• 1:28:14
  And he's like, still running strong.
• 1:28:16
  No problem.
• 1:28:17
  I was like, okay, well good cars have been Florida.
• 1:28:20
  My worst car was an Audis eight for the same reason.
• 1:28:24
  It Beautiful car.
• 1:28:26
  It was amazing interior.
• 1:28:28
  It was like the most luxurious car I'd ever owned.
• 1:28:30
  But it would leak any major storm or anything.
• 1:28:33
  It would leak and I'd get in it and I'd speak.
• 1:28:36
  My feet would be sitting in two inches of water.
• 1:28:38
  And I got, so this happened like four or five times.
• 1:28:41
  I got so fed up with it.
• 1:28:42
  I took it to CarMax the next day and was like, just take this.
• 1:28:45
  I don't care what you're gonna gimme for, just get rid of this car.
• 1:28:47
  I don't want it anymore.
• 1:28:48
  Wow.
• 1:28:50
  Did you ever figure out where the leak was coming in at?
• 1:28:52
  There's, there was this, I, I was, well, so I, I did take it to a place to get
• 1:28:56
  it cleaned out four of those five times.
• 1:28:59
  And basically there's a spot where the water drains around the doorsill
• 1:29:03
  and everywhere, and all the water collects in like this one spot.
• 1:29:07
  Like under the hood somewhere.
• 1:29:08
  And basically it's prone to getting leaves and debris and everything like that.
• 1:29:12
  Plugs it up so the water has nowhere else to go but into the cabin.
• 1:29:16
  And basically you have to clean out that area, that one small area where, or
• 1:29:22
  you have to do it like every, basically all the time where it's just going
• 1:29:26
  to leak into the cabin all the time.
• 1:29:28
  You, you reminded me, Brad, there is a worse car.
• 1:29:30
  There is.
• 1:29:31
  And I put it out of my mind because it was so bad.
• 1:29:34
  Oh, the M three six.
• 1:29:36
  M three.
• 1:29:36
  No, I hated my M three.
• 1:29:38
  That was like owning a boat, but.
• 1:29:40
  That Passat station wagon.
• 1:29:42
  Oh, oh, yes.
• 1:29:43
  That was the bane of your existence.
• 1:29:44
  Oh, I could not, oh, that car was terrible.
• 1:29:46
  I could not get rid of that thing to save my life.
• 1:29:48
  Ugh.
• 1:29:49
  All right, palate cleanser time.
• 1:29:51
  This is gonna make the two of you feel better after the last question and make
• 1:29:54
  Vicky make the face that she always does.
• 1:29:56
  So, we're going to win the lottery.
• 1:29:59
  We're going to buy an island.
• 1:30:01
  We're going on the island.
• 1:30:02
  We're gonna build a racetrack, okay?
• 1:30:03
  We're gonna have an asphalt track and we're gonna have a dirt track.
• 1:30:07
  But as a thank you to all our guests, we want to have the proper cars for
• 1:30:11
  you guys to use upon your arrival.
• 1:30:13
  So what five cars do we need to have to make you happy and make it worthwhile to
• 1:30:20
  have come on our little silly podcast.
• 1:30:23
  Brad, would you like to go first?
• 1:30:25
  This is like our three car garage, desert Island question.
• 1:30:27
  So is this a billion dollar Powerball win or is this like,
• 1:30:32
  yes, we million or whatever?
• 1:30:33
  We, we, since we don't play them, it's, it's whatever size
• 1:30:37
  we want it to be, so, okay.
• 1:30:39
  Yes.
• 1:30:40
  Price is new.
• 1:30:41
  Price is not, uh, well, for the dirt track, I mean, I want any of
• 1:30:45
  the, uh, the group B rally cars.
• 1:30:47
  I mean, I, I'll take the, I'll take the, the Ford Escort Rs, what was it?
• 1:30:52
  The Rs you don't fit in it.
• 1:30:54
  I mean, it, it's special with Billy for him.
• 1:30:57
  If they want take care of you, we take care of you, man.
• 1:30:59
  Yeah.
• 1:31:00
  They, they either stretch the chassis or they buy me lipo and so you end up
• 1:31:03
  with a Mustang that's, um, or, or I would do the, uh, the Rallycross beetle.
• 1:31:11
  Ooh, the grc.
• 1:31:12
  Yeah.
• 1:31:12
  The, the GRC rallycross beetle is really awesome.
• 1:31:15
  So we're gonna count that as one car.
• 1:31:16
  Okay, that's fine.
• 1:31:17
  Uh, for the road course, I mean the Ferrari two 50 G T O.
• 1:31:21
  Very nice.
• 1:31:22
  Uh, Shelby Daytona Coop.
• 1:31:24
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:31:24
  Same car basically.
• 1:31:26
  Um, the C7 r that's like my, my dream of all dreams.
• 1:31:31
  C7 r Corvette.
• 1:31:33
  And,
• 1:31:37
  I don't know, I think that's enough.
• 1:31:39
  I would, I would have plenty of fun with those vehicles.
• 1:31:42
  Oh man.
• 1:31:43
  I think, uh, crew Chief Eric May want six cars if you're gonna give one up.
• 1:31:46
  So, you know, just, just in case.
• 1:31:48
  Uh, no, no, no.
• 1:31:48
  I got all these, I got all these Swiss Army knives, you know, so if we're going
• 1:31:51
  offroad, I'm gonna make my sister happy.
• 1:31:54
  We're gonna have a Fiat Panda, four by four Sicily, because
• 1:31:57
  it can pretty much go anywhere.
• 1:31:58
  And that is the mountain goat of Italy.
• 1:32:00
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:32:00
  It doesn't need, you didn't say it needed to have any horsepower.
• 1:32:02
  And I could get one of those for like a buck 25.
• 1:32:05
  So it's all good.
• 1:32:06
  And you know, we can have fun with that.
• 1:32:07
  That's a very slow lap unless you take the Viking line.
• 1:32:10
  It's a very fun lap.
• 1:32:11
  Have you seen the race against that Ferrari in the snow?
• 1:32:14
  Dude, the Panda just wipes it.
• 1:32:15
  It's amazing.
• 1:32:16
  Car.
• 1:32:16
  Amazing.
• 1:32:17
  I wonder why it weighs like three ounces.
• 1:32:21
  So that's number one.
• 1:32:22
  Number two, another Swiss army knife would be to Brad's
• 1:32:26
  Point, probably a groupie Audi.
• 1:32:28
  I love the long wheel base cars.
• 1:32:30
  I owned a long wheel base, UR Quatro.
• 1:32:33
  I would probably have to have a Evo S two, like the Pikes Peak car that
• 1:32:36
  Bobby Uner drove, because that can be driven on asphalt and on off-road.
• 1:32:42
  On the asphalt side.
• 1:32:44
  I mean, it's gotta be an Ferrari F 40, I mean, if all the money
• 1:32:46
  in the world, I mean, fine.
• 1:32:47
  Let's, let's do it.
• 1:32:49
  Oh, then I'm my, my fifth car's an F 50.
• 1:32:52
  Oh, okay.
• 1:32:53
  I knew that was, he was gonna say that.
• 1:32:54
  Yeah.
• 1:32:55
  Um, you know, I really like some funky cars, so I'd, I'd have to have some
• 1:33:03
  sort of weird revolving door between like the Bugatti B one 10 or the, the
• 1:33:08
  Ford GT 90 or something of that, you know, nineties era funky concept car.
• 1:33:13
  I want a concept car of some sort.
• 1:33:15
  So that would be used on the asphalt, maybe like a, um, banshee.
• 1:33:21
  The Pontiac Chy, I was thinking about the one that Jerry Weigert uh,
• 1:33:24
  designed the W eight car, the Vector.
• 1:33:26
  Right.
• 1:33:26
  So that'd kinda Oh, okay.
• 1:33:27
  Yeah, that'd be kind of neat.
• 1:33:28
  Something just weird that people go, what the hell is that?
• 1:33:31
  Right.
• 1:33:32
  But there is one car that could do it all, and I mentioned
• 1:33:35
  this on one of our episodes.
• 1:33:36
  It was the Regrets and Desert Island episode, and it's a Hollywood car.
• 1:33:41
  And spoiler alert, spoiler alert.
• 1:33:44
  Is Charlie Sheen in the movie?
• 1:33:46
  No, he is not in the movie.
• 1:33:47
  Okay.
• 1:33:47
  Very well.
• 1:33:49
  We posted recently about it as an article, not an episode.
• 1:33:53
  And we are working on an episode because we've got friends in both places.
• 1:33:57
  I would like, we're trying to track down the, what they call
• 1:34:00
  the beauty car, uh, that Chrysler built for the TV show, Viper.
• 1:34:04
  Okay.
• 1:34:04
  And so my fifth car would be the defender because it's an amphibious
• 1:34:09
  vehicle, an off-road vehicle, a high performance vehicle, all rolled into one.
• 1:34:13
  So you wanna leave the island is what you're trying to say?
• 1:34:16
  No, no, no.
• 1:34:16
  I'm barricading myself on the island.
• 1:34:19
  Oh wait, can I, can I get rid of my group B rally car and add?
• 1:34:22
  Sure.
• 1:34:23
  You can borrow Eric's.
• 1:34:24
  I, no, I want to add a reliant robin.
• 1:34:26
  Oh, very nice.
• 1:34:27
  That's a good one.
• 1:34:27
  That's a good one.
• 1:34:28
  Very nice.
• 1:34:28
  Just for fun.
• 1:34:29
  Just for fun.
• 1:34:30
  See Vicky.
• 1:34:31
  It wasn't so bad.
• 1:34:31
  We made it.
• 1:34:32
  We did it.
• 1:34:34
  We did.
• 1:34:35
  Um, I do have a question.
• 1:34:37
  Um, what is the one car that got away?
• 1:34:41
  Ooh.
• 1:34:42
  Well that is, wish you had back.
• 1:34:44
  That's easy cuz it got stolen or did stole.
• 1:34:49
  Yeah, the car that got stolen, I had one of the first, uh, vw or
• 1:34:54
  sorry, one of the first Mark four VWR 30 twos in the United States.
• 1:34:59
  It was actually the show card that was used at Baltimore
• 1:35:02
  and some of the other places.
• 1:35:03
  And then, uh, picked up delivery of the car, had it for three years stolen
• 1:35:07
  right out from underneath of me.
• 1:35:09
  I would honestly still have that car to this day had it not been stolen.
• 1:35:14
  That was 20 years ago.
• 1:35:18
  I've got two cars.
• 1:35:19
  I had a, uh, a TJ Wrangler that was lifted with big wheels and tires and all that.
• 1:35:26
  It was probably one of my, the most fun I've had in on four wheels ever.
• 1:35:31
  And then I had a, a 90 99 Camaro Z 28.
• 1:35:35
  That was totaled.
• 1:35:37
  Uh, if I, if that car wasn't totaled, I'd probably still have it.
• 1:35:40
  Mm.
• 1:35:40
  Hence his Instagram handle is a result of that accident.
• 1:35:45
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:35:46
  Hmm.
• 1:35:47
  Okay.
• 1:35:49
  All righty.
• 1:35:49
  So, um, Jennifer, who could not make it, she's on a family vacation,
• 1:35:54
  but her favorite question, what is your favorite car, movie, or
• 1:35:59
  car from a movie of all time?
• 1:36:01
  Ooh.
• 1:36:07
  Do you want me to answer or are you gonna Sure.
• 1:36:09
  Either way.
• 1:36:10
  Go ahead.
• 1:36:10
  I'm, I'm thinking Brad looks puzzled.
• 1:36:12
  I have always had an affinity and I have said before that I would
• 1:36:16
  own the new generation of this.
• 1:36:18
  I really.
• 1:36:20
  Uh, one of the movies that my dad made me watch early on was Vanishing Point.
• 1:36:24
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:36:25
  And so I've always had a thing for 71 Challenger, 70 Challenger rt, you
• 1:36:30
  know, with the rally wheels, the whole nine yards, just like in that movie.
• 1:36:33
  And I've always said I want an s r t eight new new version with a vanity
• 1:36:38
  plate that says Kowalski on the back.
• 1:36:40
  And just run around with that and just rip and roar and just
• 1:36:43
  hoon around in that thing.
• 1:36:44
  So that would be kind of my ultimate movie car.
• 1:36:47
  It's, it's slightly understated.
• 1:36:48
  It's a cult classic.
• 1:36:50
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:36:50
  As far as movie movies go, but I think it's an all around pretty
• 1:36:53
  cool homage to the muscle car era.
• 1:36:56
  Sure.
• 1:36:58
  What about you, Brad?
• 1:36:58
  Do you have one?
• 1:37:00
  I do have a movie car.
• 1:37:01
  Um, Eric kind of alluded to its cousin, uh, or its its younger
• 1:37:06
  brother earlier, the R 34 Skyline from Too Fast, too Furious.
• 1:37:12
  As far as my favorite car movie though, I would have to say, I
• 1:37:15
  don't know that it's necessarily a car movie, but it's got great.
• 1:37:18
  Car adjacent scenes?
• 1:37:21
  Um, it would be Ronan.
• 1:37:23
  Oh, okay.
• 1:37:24
  All right, Ms.
• 1:37:26
  Vicky, you have one more or two more?
• 1:37:29
  Uh, lemme see.
• 1:37:31
  Um, from our list here, I, what is the weirdest car you think that
• 1:37:39
  is so far has ever been out there?
• 1:37:42
  Oh man, that list is long.
• 1:37:46
  Yeah, but there's, there's a list of terrible cars, but there
• 1:37:48
  is the ultimate terrible car.
• 1:37:51
  I mean, there is, so we did a double episode for anybody that's listening,
• 1:37:54
  it's called, uh, what Should I Buy?
• 1:37:56
  Ugly Cars.
• 1:37:57
  And then it was followed up by like Part B, which is the BSides, the uncool cars.
• 1:38:02
  And so the list goes on and on and on.
• 1:38:05
  And I mean, you could start at the top of the totem pole with
• 1:38:07
  cars like the Fiat multiple or the Pontiac Aztec or the PT Cruiser.
• 1:38:12
  The hhr.
• 1:38:13
  I mean, those are like the top, you know, four.
• 1:38:16
  We actually have a thing on our website called the Uncool Wall.
• 1:38:18
  You can actually go there and vote.
• 1:38:20
  There's like 50 cars to choose from that we've listed.
• 1:38:23
  And I mean, it ranges all sorts of things from those that I mentioned to
• 1:38:26
  things like the p the Porsche 9 28, or the Alpha Romeo sz, which, uh, or
• 1:38:32
  you've got, you know, just all sorts of weird things on that list that people
• 1:38:35
  are like, oh, that car's heinous.
• 1:38:37
  It's terrible.
• 1:38:37
  It's this, it's.
• 1:38:40
  Unfortunately, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder if for
• 1:38:42
  looking at it specifically from an aesthetics point of view.
• 1:38:45
  But then there are tons of cars that are mechanically deficient, right?
• 1:38:50
  That are just terrible.
• 1:38:51
  I mean, I could name a, a list of Jags that everybody's gonna hate me
• 1:38:54
  for, or Maserati by turbos, you know, cars that are just nightmare cars.
• 1:38:59
  But people still wanna own those.
• 1:39:01
  We don't dissuade them from doing that.
• 1:39:03
  That's a part of our whole, what should I buy?
• 1:39:05
  Thing is, throw it out there.
• 1:39:06
  Let's get excited.
• 1:39:07
  Tell me why you wanna buy a Chrysler Maserati tc, right?
• 1:39:12
  I don't get it.
• 1:39:13
  I wanna drive one.
• 1:39:14
  I don't wanna own one, but hey, if it, there's a club for everybody out there.
• 1:39:19
  If you owned a garage, you'd want everybody to drive one.
• 1:39:22
  Ah, this is very true.
• 1:39:24
  I mean, I wanna collect cars like matchbox cars, so it's all good.
• 1:39:26
  But you know.
• 1:39:27
  Hey, Brad, what about you?
• 1:39:33
  I don't know.
• 1:39:33
  I don't know enough about.
• 1:39:36
  Like weird cars or whatever, or classic cars or the, the whatever.
• 1:39:40
  But I guess a car, I always wondered like why, maybe it's not the car itself,
• 1:39:47
  but it's how it, how it came out.
• 1:39:50
  Uh, the.
• 1:39:52
  All these retro cars, these renamed cars, for example, the Mitsubishi
• 1:39:55
  Eclipse, that's not a Mitsubishi eclipse anymore, it's an suv.
• 1:39:58
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:39:59
  Um, the Chevrolet Monte Carlo, when they brought that back in
• 1:40:03
  the early two thousands, why was it front wheel drive with a.
• 1:40:06
  Crappy v6.
• 1:40:07
  Why did they do that to that car?
• 1:40:09
  Especially when the, the Monte car was, were all, and they're,
• 1:40:11
  they're G bodies, right?
• 1:40:12
  They were all, you know, special rear wheel drive, big V8 s I mean, they
• 1:40:17
  were, they were cool cars in their own.
• 1:40:18
  That's a mass car.
• 1:40:19
  Come on now.
• 1:40:20
  Yeah, there you go.
• 1:40:21
  There you go.
• 1:40:21
  Stock, stock car racing, not nascar.
• 1:40:23
  Stock car racing.
• 1:40:25
  Um, late, yes.
• 1:40:27
  Not, not necessarily like the cars themselves, but just like the
• 1:40:29
  configuration they came out in.
• 1:40:31
  I was like, why, why are you doing this?
• 1:40:33
  Why is the must, why is the Mach called the Mustang Mach?
• 1:40:36
  Why isn't it just the m get started?
• 1:40:39
  Yeah.
• 1:40:40
  It's, it's stupid.
• 1:40:41
  It, there's all a bunch of, we, it badge, badge engineering, right?
• 1:40:45
  Yeah.
• 1:40:45
  And there's a lot of that going on right now.
• 1:40:47
  They're bringing back, uh, the hornet.
• 1:40:50
  There's, we talk about this on our drive-through all the time and,
• 1:40:52
  and you know, we kind of, I hate to say piss and moan about it, but.
• 1:40:55
  It's true though.
• 1:40:56
  I mean, if you grew up in the era of those cars and suddenly they say, oh,
• 1:41:00
  we're gonna bring back the coronet, or we're gonna bring back the superbird, and
• 1:41:03
  it's like the, the Jeep Renegade, Reba, I would be upset as a car enthusiast
• 1:41:08
  that gets under my skin, you know?
• 1:41:10
  So I'm with Brad on that one.
• 1:41:12
  But there is one car, and Vicky asked the question a certain way, but
• 1:41:15
  there is one car that I despise above all cars on the face of the earth.
• 1:41:20
  Brad, would you like to tell them what it's Oh, it's a,
• 1:41:23
  uh, it's a Citron, isn't it?
• 1:41:25
  That's right.
• 1:41:26
  Which one?
• 1:41:27
  All of the, the D the Ds.
• 1:41:29
  There's, there's something about the Ds and I know that it saved de Gauls
• 1:41:34
  life and all this kind of thing, and the, the headlights that turned the
• 1:41:37
  steering wheel and it was revolutionary.
• 1:41:39
  It looks like a pill bug.
• 1:41:40
  It is.
• 1:41:41
  I don't understand that car.
• 1:41:42
  I will never underst understand that car.
• 1:41:44
  I've sat in one, I refuse to drive it just like I refuse to watch, drive to survive.
• 1:41:48
  I just, I will not do it.
• 1:41:50
  It's just, it's something angers me about the car.
• 1:41:53
  So I don't know what it is.
• 1:41:54
  Okay.
• 1:41:55
  All right.
• 1:41:56
  So my last one for the day, you have many, many, many more to put up with,
• 1:42:01
  but last one for today is as far as your driving goes and your racing goes, what is
• 1:42:08
  something that you're relatively good at and what is your biggest area to improve?
• 1:42:16
  Ooh.
• 1:42:19
  And relative is relative to yourself.
• 1:42:21
  Not relative to the, you know, the gods of racing.
• 1:42:24
  Yeah.
• 1:42:25
  I've only tracked at least road course tracked front wheel drive
• 1:42:30
  cars, so I've never really had the opportunity to learn heel toe.
• 1:42:34
  So I need, I would love to, to work on heel-toe if I can
• 1:42:37
  ever get behind the wheel.
• 1:42:39
  Uh, For an extensive period of time in a rear-wheel drive vehicle launch track.
• 1:42:44
  So what would be something you're relatively good at though, that
• 1:42:47
  I'm gonna need to think about?
• 1:42:48
  Everybody does.
• 1:42:50
  The last one's easy.
• 1:42:51
  It's like, I need to do this, this.
• 1:42:54
  Yeah.
• 1:42:57
  I'm having, I'm struggling with your positive question because I've driven
• 1:43:03
  so many different disciplines of racing.
• 1:43:05
  So when it comes to carting my racecraft and traffic management,
• 1:43:09
  I think is really good.
• 1:43:10
  I find my way through, I'm pretty quick.
• 1:43:12
  I always joke that I'm pretty fast for a fat hit.
• 1:43:14
  I qualify.
• 1:43:15
  Well, I've always qualified.
• 1:43:17
  Well.
• 1:43:17
  So that translated into autocross and time trials.
• 1:43:20
  So I enjoy that.
• 1:43:21
  Those are why, those are the disciplines I gravitate to.
• 1:43:24
  Um, so I, while he's talking or thinking I did come up with my two or, or with
• 1:43:31
  my, uh, The things that I'm good at, apparently, I, I've always been told
• 1:43:36
  this by people that have watched me autocross, but I'm extremely smooth.
• 1:43:39
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:43:40
  Which you don't really see in autocross usually.
• 1:43:42
  No.
• 1:43:43
  Uh, and I don't know if that's because of it translates from, you
• 1:43:45
  know, my track time or whatever.
• 1:43:47
  Uh, so being really smooth and really consistent, I would say, or my.
• 1:43:52
  Pluses, those are good.
• 1:43:54
  I'd say my negative is getting more comfortable with higher horsepower cars.
• 1:43:59
  I have a certain threshold that I'm comfortable with.
• 1:44:01
  It used to be I don't wanna drive anything when we were 300 horsepower.
• 1:44:05
  Once I crossed that and I got into the four hundreds, I was like, that's okay.
• 1:44:09
  When I get behind the wheel of some of these new cars that are 6, 7,
• 1:44:13
  800 horsepower, like I got to drive a Camaro that made 800 horsepower.
• 1:44:18
  It's a bit much, it's a bit daunting.
• 1:44:20
  I have to re, I have to really reign myself in because I wanna drive it
• 1:44:24
  like a 200 horsepower civic and I can't, you know, uh, I do have a 10.
• 1:44:28
  You could, it wouldn't end well, but no it wouldn't.
• 1:44:31
  And you know, I do have a slight propensity or affinity for driving off
• 1:44:36
  of the front wheels now, not that I've never owned or haven't raced rear wheel
• 1:44:40
  drive cars for me, they're all the same.
• 1:44:42
  It's four wheels and a steering wheel, but it's the horsepower thing that gets
• 1:44:45
  me, I get in my own head and I almost become too patient at, you know, when
• 1:44:51
  I should be getting on the throttle.
• 1:44:53
  I start just really screwing stuff up because I'm like, I'm worried
• 1:44:56
  that it's gonna break loose and that I'm not gonna be able to catch it.
• 1:44:58
  And that's also because generally it's not my car.
• 1:45:00
  You know, if it was right my Audi R eight, I'd be like, haha, whatever.
• 1:45:04
  Let's go.
• 1:45:05
  But in, when you're borrowing somebody else's car, it's like, did, did they
• 1:45:08
  get track insurance or I don't know.
• 1:45:10
  So that's not the question you want to ask when you're getting in the car
• 1:45:13
  after they've thrown into the keys, Hey, do you have insurance on this?
• 1:45:16
  Now, I will say it doesn't bother me from the right seat.
• 1:45:19
  I've ridden in all sorts of cars and it never bothers me.
• 1:45:21
  Even though people say it's 20 miles an hour faster in the
• 1:45:24
  right seat, it, it never bugs me.
• 1:45:26
  It's when I'm behind the wheel that because I do drive by feel a lot and
• 1:45:31
  I use data as well, I just, I get this overwhelming nervous sensation when I'm in
• 1:45:36
  a car of, you know, over 500 horsepower.
• 1:45:37
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:45:40
  It's when everything goes plaid.
• 1:45:41
  Yeah, I get it.
• 1:45:42
  Yeah.
• 1:45:42
  Yeah.
• 1:45:44
  When everything goes plaid, okay, we've lost her, but we're gonna come back.
• 1:45:50
  She knows.
• 1:45:51
  That's why the Tesla's called the plaid too, right?
• 1:45:53
  Funny.
• 1:45:54
  She, they clicked with her a little later, you know, sometimes, sorry.
• 1:45:58
  It's funny.
• 1:45:59
  Sometimes I joke.
• 1:46:00
  Start in the East Coast and you know, they work their way.
• 1:46:04
  Sorry.
• 1:46:04
  That's just pretty funny.
• 1:46:06
  Okay, so gentlemen, that's just a sample of some.
• 1:46:11
  Of the episodes you've done and some of the banter that you guys have,
• 1:46:16
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• 1:46:22
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• 1:46:27
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• 1:46:32
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• 1:46:33
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• 1:46:37
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• 1:46:40
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• 1:46:43
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• 1:46:47
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• 1:46:50
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• 1:46:55
  That's.
• 1:46:56
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• 1:47:01
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• 1:47:04
  But at, in addition to that, you will also find follow on articles
• 1:47:08
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• 1:47:09
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• 1:47:13
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• 1:47:16
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• 1:47:18
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• 1:47:21
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• 1:47:42
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• 1:47:48
  So if you're the type of person that likes to watch a audio only program,
• 1:47:53
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• 1:47:56
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• 1:47:59
  hearing impaired, so it's a good.
• 1:48:03
  I'm not saying I'm gonna put all those links in the episode
• 1:48:06
  notes, but I'm gonna try.
• 1:48:10
  I don't type as well as Eric talks, so there's that.
• 1:48:13
  But anyway, gentlemen, great having you on.
• 1:48:15
  It was great to be on your podcast.
• 1:48:17
  Hopefully, uh, you had a little bit of fun and uh, we will have
• 1:48:20
  you on again in the future.
• 1:48:23
  Absolutely.
• 1:48:24
  It's always fun making new friends and like we said before, that's
• 1:48:27
  the whole point of this, is to continue to spread the enthusiasm,
• 1:48:30
  whether it's through garage heroes and training or through break fix.
• 1:48:33
  Find your niche in the vehicle enthusiasts in Motor Sport
• 1:48:36
  world and hang onto that, right?
• 1:48:38
  Build those relationships and you never know what you'll get, what kind
• 1:48:40
  of trouble you'll get yourself into.
• 1:48:42
  And if you're at any of the million different events we go to, whether
• 1:48:45
  it's G Hits or us, come and talk to us.
• 1:48:48
  Say hi.
• 1:48:49
  You know, we're, we're friendly folks.
• 1:48:50
  We don't bite well.
• 1:48:51
  Vicky might, but you know, whatever.
• 1:48:54
  It's more of a, it's more of a nibble, but you know, it's fine.
• 1:48:57
  She doesn't need that much to survive.
• 1:48:59
  Now me, I could know off a leg and still be hungry, but that's beside the point.
• 1:49:03
  Now.
• 1:49:03
  Now we, while we're here speaking of knowing legs, why would you
• 1:49:06
  take up valuable space in your stomach for this thing you call
• 1:49:09
  salad when you could have meat?
• 1:49:13
  Did I say sal?
• 1:49:14
  I meant in salad.
• 1:49:17
  Ah.
• 1:49:17
  Which yeah, that, that's the green thing, right?
• 1:49:20
  We don't, that's the green thing.
• 1:49:21
  But Insala has ground beef and ah, salsa and Oh, that's how he is doing.
• 1:49:27
  He didn't tell me that you had me at beef.
• 1:49:31
  Yeah.
• 1:49:31
  Yeah.
• 1:49:32
  So until we meet you guys in person finally, and uh, we seem to hang
• 1:49:36
  out at all the same places yet.
• 1:49:37
  We've been two ships crossing in the wind.
• 1:49:39
  We will, uh, look forward to it, listening to the podcast.
• 1:49:42
  Always fun.
• 1:49:43
  And, uh, thanks again for having us on and thanks for coming on.
• 1:49:46
  Thank you.
• 1:49:47
  Thank you.
• 1:50:22
  How you doing Miss Vicky?
• 1:50:24
  I'm tired.
• 1:50:26
  I'm are, are you not home, I'm guessing?
• 1:50:28
  No, I'm home.
• 1:50:30
  I'm at work.
• 1:50:31
  I was gonna say, yeah, work down, down south.
• 1:50:34
  Uh, no, I'm just, uh, well south of where we live, but you know.
• 1:50:37
  Yeah.
• 1:50:38
  Uh, I mean, we live north of Scranton, Pennsylvania, and I work
• 1:50:42
  between Scranton and Wilkesboro.
• 1:50:44
  Oh, okay.
• 1:50:44
  I didn't know if you were down in Alabama or not.
• 1:50:46
  No, that's, that's next week.
• 1:50:48
  Oh, okay.
• 1:50:49
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:50:50
  Yeah.
• 1:50:50
  Well, Bill's at work.
• 1:50:52
  He's got that two screen thing so he doesn't watch you.
• 1:50:55
  I look this way, right?
• 1:50:56
  My camera's this way.
• 1:50:57
  Yeah, I screens this way.
• 1:50:59
  It's a good thing you don't post any of this on YouTube, so.
• 1:51:01
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:51:03
  If he's like, why don't we post it on YouTube?
• 1:51:05
  I'm like, cuz I'm not got good at editing.
• 1:51:06
  Nobody wants to see this mess.
• 1:51:08
  That's why.
• 1:51:09
  So, speaking of which, um, you guys really, I can't remember, you have
• 1:51:13
  like multiple releases in a week.
• 1:51:14
  What's your standard release day?
• 1:51:17
  Uh, normal episode is Monday dominated with us since Tuesday.
• 1:51:21
  Okay.
• 1:51:21
  So, and then bonus episodes whenever.
• 1:51:24
  Okay.
• 1:51:24
  So we had, we were gonna do part one, part two.
• 1:51:28
  Can you do the 25th?
• 1:51:30
  Yeah, nothing's, nothing's spoken for on our end.
• 1:51:33
  Okay.
• 1:51:33
  August.
• 1:51:33
  Cause ours is, ours is locked for the 23rd.
• 1:51:36
  Yes.
• 1:51:36
  August.
• 1:51:37
  Okay.
• 1:51:38
  So part one, and then you guys will, uh, I guess you'll post it, uh, as, uh,
• 1:51:45
  granary Motorsports crossover part two or whatever, however you guys wanna title it.
• 1:51:49
  And then eventually, do you want us to repost it on our end?
• 1:51:53
  Do you want, or how do you want that to work?
• 1:51:57
  It doesn't matter.
• 1:51:57
  Well, if, if we want to, uh, like if you wanna post what we do with you
• 1:52:02
  under your feed, we can send you a copy.
• 1:52:05
  Same.
• 1:52:06
  Yeah, that'd be, that'd be perfect.
• 1:52:07
  And I can launch that on Thursday as a bonus, so that's easy.
• 1:52:10
  Ok.
• 1:52:10
  Yeah.
• 1:52:11
  Yeah.
• 1:52:11
  Cuz I mean, you know, neither one of us is gonna have any, uh, Domination
• 1:52:18
  of the world, but you know, if we could raise both boats, that would be awesome.
• 1:52:21
  A a hundred percent.
• 1:52:22
  Do you want us to send you part one then as well?
• 1:52:24
  Sure.
• 1:52:25
  Whenever, whenever it's ready.
• 1:52:26
  No big, no hurry.
• 1:52:27
  I was only wondering if maybe if it took away from us, if we have one-on-one.
• 1:52:31
  You know, both on, and I guess it doesn't matter, right?
• 1:52:34
  Doesn't matter.
• 1:52:34
  Yeah.
• 1:52:36
  It's okay.
• 1:52:37
  People will pretty much pick up when they're, uh, listening to
• 1:52:40
  the same thing for a second time.
• 1:52:41
  Yeah.
• 1:52:42
  Right.
• 1:52:42
  If they don't, they didn't listen very much.
• 1:52:44
  So a hundred percent.
• 1:52:47
  So how mechanical are you sir?
• 1:52:50
  What would you like me to fix?
• 1:52:53
  Is, is fixing a possibility with your, with your pause.
• 1:52:57
  I don't need you to fix anything.
• 1:52:59
  I'm just trying to see.
• 1:53:01
  So short of rebuilding transmissions, I can pretty much do anything.
• 1:53:05
  Oh, okay.
• 1:53:06
  Well then you'll, you'll enjoy this picture then.
• 1:53:09
  Okay.
• 1:53:09
  Yeah.
• 1:53:09
  I don't weld.
• 1:53:10
  If I could weld, I'd be dangerous.
• 1:53:13
  Oh yeah.
• 1:53:14
  Cuz my, my imagination would kick in and I'd be doing all sorts of crazy stuff.
• 1:53:17
  Right.
• 1:53:18
  I probably, I'd probably make people like Barbie the welder pretty mad.
• 1:53:20
  Cause I'm like, oh, look what I, look what I made outta trash from the track.
• 1:53:24
  Right.
• 1:53:25
  Yeah.
• 1:53:30
  I'm just learning welding.
• 1:53:33
  But you did say that you were getting into that.
• 1:53:35
  She's trying.
• 1:53:35
  Yeah.
• 1:53:39
  It doesn't seem too hard.
• 1:53:40
  I do art anyway.
• 1:53:41
  Right.
• 1:53:42
  So it's the fine motor skills are, are not so much an issue until you, tig.
• 1:53:50
  My thing is, I, I, I like to be able to see what I'm doing
• 1:53:53
  and I don't get the whole mask.
• 1:53:55
  And then you're kind of guessing and you kind of go along and
• 1:53:58
  it, it just, it weirds me out.
• 1:54:00
  So I've never wanted to learn it because I wanna lift the mask and I wanna see what
• 1:54:04
  I'm doing and I just, I know that's a sin and it's not, well, the masks are much
• 1:54:08
  better now, but you can see, you can see with the mask, so don't, don't feel bad.
• 1:54:13
  Oh, okay.
• 1:54:13
  Cuz I've tried some, like helping or whatever, and I'm like, I
• 1:54:16
  don't know what I'm looking at.
• 1:54:17
  I can't see anything other than just, it looks like, you
• 1:54:19
  know, the surface of the sun.
• 1:54:21
  Yeah.
• 1:54:21
  That's about it.
• 1:54:23
  Well, you don't wanna be too, too bright, but you also don't wanna be too dark.
• 1:54:27
  So they, they have the auto adjust masks now, which are kinda cool.
• 1:54:31
  Yeah.
• 1:54:31
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:54:33
  Uh, there he is.
• 1:54:34
  There is crew Chief Brad.
• 1:54:40
  You guys missed trivia night.
• 1:54:42
  We did that.
• 1:54:43
  No, sorry.
• 1:54:43
  We, we kind of got, I listened.
• 1:54:44
  We lifted, we lifted your style a little bit.
• 1:54:47
  I listened.
• 1:54:49
  I was like, we did one just like this.
• 1:54:51
  Did you play the online version though?
• 1:54:52
  We had an online version that was twice as long.
• 1:54:55
  Oh, no, I didn't, I didn't play the online version.
• 1:54:57
  I was, I, uh, I listened to everything as I drive.
• 1:55:01
  So, uh, that, that episode was very interesting to record.
• 1:55:04
  What we realized, you know, since we talked offline last time we were
• 1:55:07
  recording, there was nothing like setting up, you know, eight voices and then having
• 1:55:11
  to slice through them all and add silence.
• 1:55:13
  And I was like, normally I can bust through one of the, a drive
• 1:55:16
  through and a couple hours.
• 1:55:17
  It took me almost 11 hours to get through that episode.
• 1:55:20
  It was idiotic.
• 1:55:21
  Yeah.
• 1:55:22
  We had 16 people on one time.
• 1:55:24
  Ugh, a nightmare.
• 1:55:26
  It was terrible.
• 1:55:27
  That's good.
• 1:55:28
  When we do our awards night, cuz we don't rec, we don't, well some, we record
• 1:55:31
  those for video purposes, just for the members that, you know, don't show up.
• 1:55:35
  But yeah, I would never try to edit that.
• 1:55:37
  It's just a nightmare.
• 1:55:38
  Yeah, I tried.
• 1:55:39
  Okay, so this is, this is what we found.
• 1:55:41
  I don't know if you guys have been playing the home game, but, uh, this is what we
• 1:55:44
  found as our issue with our BMW M three.
• 1:55:47
  This is the picture.
• 1:55:48
  You ready?
• 1:55:48
  Oh, is the rear sub frame broken?
• 1:55:51
  Nope.
• 1:55:51
  No.
• 1:55:51
  Different.
• 1:55:53
  How about that?
• 1:55:54
  Ooh, yummy.
• 1:55:56
  Is that, that's that count as no bueno that count as bueno or no bueno.
• 1:56:01
  That's some serious blow by you have there.
• 1:56:03
  No, that's not the issue.
• 1:56:06
  No.
• 1:56:06
  So it's not coming from the cylinder, it's coming from the
• 1:56:10
  fifth injector got stuck open.
• 1:56:12
  Oh, that'll do.
• 1:56:13
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:56:13
  That'll, it was fantastic.
• 1:56:15
  Yeah.
• 1:56:16
  Didn't run really well like that, you know, just in case.
• 1:56:18
  No, no.
• 1:56:19
  Yeah.
• 1:56:19
  We just dropped off a another engine.
• 1:56:22
  Yep.
• 1:56:22
  That's what I just got back doing.
• 1:56:25
  So anyway, that was, well, you have, you have itbs from an M on there.
• 1:56:28
  Cause isn't yours just a regular three 30 or is it No, that's,
• 1:56:31
  that's our, that's our M three.
• 1:56:32
  Oh, okay, then.
• 1:56:33
  That makes sense.
• 1:56:33
  Cause I was like, only the MSS have itbs, so.
• 1:56:36
  Right.
• 1:56:36
  Yeah.
• 1:56:37
  There you go.
• 1:56:38
  Well, that's, that's easy fix.
• 1:56:39
  I mean, a hundred dollar injector.
• 1:56:40
  Right.
• 1:56:40
  And you're kind of on your way.
• 1:56:42
  No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:56:46
  It, it, uh, it did more than that.
• 1:56:50
  Oh, well, that's no good then.
• 1:56:51
  That's where I was at.
• 1:56:53
  Yeah, exactly.
• 1:56:54
  Yeah.
• 1:56:54
  Less, less than thrilled, shall we say.
• 1:56:57
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:56:57
  So I just dropped off the, uh, he opened it up and he sent me that picture.
• 1:57:00
  I'm like, I don't know exactly why that is, but I know that that is no bueno.
• 1:57:08
  How you doing, Brad?
• 1:57:09
  Good.
• 1:57:09
  How is everybody else doing other than the issues with the M three?
• 1:57:14
  Yeah.
• 1:57:14
  Well, you know, all of our cars started breaking at once.
• 1:57:17
  Yeah.
• 1:57:17
  It's fantastic.
• 1:57:18
  That's the way it works.
• 1:57:19
  They all, they talk to each other and they're all like, you know
• 1:57:21
  what, we're on the same cycle.
• 1:57:22
  We're, we're on on strike break at once.
• 1:57:25
  We're on strike.
• 1:57:26
  They're like bees.
• 1:57:27
  I'm telling you, you piss off one wasp and then they all come after you.
• 1:57:31
  Yeah.
• 1:57:31
  Stop with, stop with the, we're on strike until they get
• 1:57:34
  rid of the 10% ethanol fuel.
• 1:57:36
  Yeah.
• 1:57:36
  Pretty much.
• 1:57:37
  That's nothing for us.
• 1:57:38
  But anyway, that's a different story.
• 1:57:40
  We can get ourselves in lots of trouble with that.
• 1:57:43
  Um, anything you guys need us to bring up during the episode?
• 1:57:47
  Oh, it's a free for all.
• 1:57:48
  We're just as prepared as we always are.
• 1:57:50
  Like, you know, when we do our drive, drive through episodes, you
• 1:57:52
  know, we're just gonna send it.
• 1:57:54
  0%, 0%.
• 1:57:57
  It is very weird being on the other side of the microphone.
• 1:58:00
  I mean, it's uncomfortable, isn't it?
• 1:58:02
  I'm always on this side of the microphone.
• 1:58:04
  I don't know what you're talking about, Eric.
• 1:58:06
  I just dunno what to expect.
• 1:58:07
  It's like the, it's like Monty Python episode, right?
• 1:58:09
  Well, seriously shared it with you, but we didn't want to,
• 1:58:11
  cuz it's way more fun this way.
• 1:58:13
  Vicky, do you have the doc by the way?
• 1:58:14
  I do.
• 1:58:15
  Okay.
• 1:58:15
  Very well.
• 1:58:17
  Well, I'm glad they're prepared.
• 1:58:18
  Well, somebody's gotta be prepared.