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The Path of Wisdom, Heart, and Ethics: A Developmental Perspective on the Journey of Awakening · Deep Transformation

• 0:00
  Let
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  me
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  introduce
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  to
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  you
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  part
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  one
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  of
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  our
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  three
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  part
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  conversation
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  with
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  Kimberly
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  Lafferty,
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  teacher
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  and
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  practitioner
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  with
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  a
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  deep
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  understanding
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  of
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  Tibetan
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  Buddhism
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  as
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  well
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  as
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  integral
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  theory
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  and
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  developmental
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  psychology.
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  She
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  is
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  a
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  gifted
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  teacher
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  and
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  speaker
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  and
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  as
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  I'm
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  sure
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  you'll
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  see,
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  the
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  Dharma
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  radiates
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  through
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  her.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Transformation.
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  Self,
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  Society,
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  Spirit,
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  Life
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  enhancing,
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  paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists.
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  With
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy
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  join
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  us
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  in
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  the
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  evolutionary
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  fast
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  lane
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  as
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  we
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  take
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  a
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  deep
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  dive
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  into
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  transformational
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  practice.
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  Peak
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  experience,
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  profound
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  understanding,
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  powerful
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  contribution.
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  I'm
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  our
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  co
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  host
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  is
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  John
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  Dupuis,
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  author
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  of
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  Integral
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  Recovery.
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  And
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  our
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  guest
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  today
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  is
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  Kimberly
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  Lafferty,
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  who
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  has
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  lived
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  many
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  lifetimes
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  already
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  in
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  this
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  incarnation.
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  She
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  has
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  done
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  extensive
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  deep
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  study
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  and
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  practice
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  in
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  the
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  Tibetan
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  Buddhism,
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  more
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  formally
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  Indo
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  Tibetan
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  Buddhism
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  or
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  Vajrayana.
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  She's
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  a
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  lama
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  in
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  that
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  tradition,
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  roughly
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  meaning
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  among
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  many
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  other
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  things,
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  she's
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  authorized
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  to
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  teach
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  and
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  transmit
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  the
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  tradition.
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  Kimberly
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  is
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  also
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  an
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  expert
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  on
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  adult
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  development
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  and
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  leads
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  trainings
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  in
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  that
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  area
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  with
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  Terry
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  O'Fallon
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  and
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  she's
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  a
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  board
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  member
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  of
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  the
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  association
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  for
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  Spiritual
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  Integrity.
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  And
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  we'll
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  probably
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  come
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  back
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  to
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  that
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  later.
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  But
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  as
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  a
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  way
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  of
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  setting
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  a
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  context
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  here,
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  Kimberly
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  is,
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  by
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  virtue
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  of
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  her
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  deep
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  practice
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  in
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  Tibetan
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  Buddhism,
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  a
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  firsthand
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  knowledge
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  plus
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  a
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  theoretical
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  knowledge.
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  From
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  a
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  study
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  of
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  this
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  extraordinary
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  tradition.
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  And
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  by
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  way
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  of
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  context,
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  the
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  religious
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  scholar
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  Houston
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  Smith
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  said
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  that
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  different
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  cultures
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  have
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  different
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  foci.
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  Western
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  culture
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  is
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  focused
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  on
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  the
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  outside
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  world
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  and
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  its
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  exploration
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  through
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  science.
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  Chinese
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  culture
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  is
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  focused
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  on
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  relationships
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  as
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  the
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  primary
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  medium
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  for
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  life
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  and
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  well
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  being.
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  But
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  the
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  Indian
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  and
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  Tibetan
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  cultures
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  focused
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  inwards
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  on
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  the
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  exploration
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  of
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  the
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  psyche
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  and
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  the.
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  And
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  the
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  discovery
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  of
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  our
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  true
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  nature.
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  I
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  personally
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  think
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  of
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  the
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  Tibetan
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  Buddhist
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  tradition
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  as
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  having
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  the
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  world's
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  most
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  sophisticated
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  spiritual
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  technology.
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  So
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  I
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  thought
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  it'd
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  be
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  wonderful,
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  Kimberly,
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  if
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  we
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  started
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  by
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  saying
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  welcome,
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  but
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  then
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  asking
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  you
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  if
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  you
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  could
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  maybe
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  tell
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  us
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  about
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  this
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  remarkable
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  tradition
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  you've
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  devoted
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  your
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  life
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  to
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  and
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  some
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  of
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  the
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  training
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  it
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  offers
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  and
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  you've
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  been
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  through
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  and
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  perhaps
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  what.
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  Drew
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  you
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  into
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  this?
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  I'm
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  always
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  interested
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  in
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  the
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  backstory.
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  So
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  why
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  did
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  you
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  dedicate
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  your
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  life
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  so
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  for
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  so
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  many
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  years
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  in
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  this
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  study?
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  Thank
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  you.
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  Suffering
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  was
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  because
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  of
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  suffering,
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  John.
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  Yeah.
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  Anyway,
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  I'm
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  glad,
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  I'm
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  glad
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  to
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  be
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  here
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  and
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  with
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  you
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  two
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  gentlemen,
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  so
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  thank
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  you
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  for
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  having
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  me.
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  First
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  of
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  all,
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  it's
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  just
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  wonderful
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  to
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  be
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  in
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  your
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  company.
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  And
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  it
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  was
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  suffering.
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  You
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  know,
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  I
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  jest,
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  but
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  jest
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  not.
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  I
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  was
• 3:20
  drawn
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  into
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  the
• 3:21
  study
• 3:21
  of
• 3:22
  Indo
• 3:22
  Tibetan
• 3:22
  Buddhism
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  in
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  particular,
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  after
• 3:24
  having
• 3:25
  an
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  awakening
• 3:26
  experience
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  that
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  was
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  both
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  a
• 3:29
  temporal
• 3:30
  state
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  as
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  well
• 3:31
  as
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  split
• 3:31
  me
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  into
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  a
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  new
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  sort
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  of
• 3:33
  stage
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  of
• 3:34
  awareness
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  that
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  is,
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  you
• 3:37
  know,
• 3:37
  some
• 3:37
  people
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  might
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  call
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  this
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  an
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  enlightenment
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  experience.
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  Trust
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  me,
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  I
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  was
• 3:40
  not
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  enlightened
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  after
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  this.
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  You
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  know,
• 3:42
  I'd
• 3:43
  seen
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  something
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  extraordinary.
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  People
• 3:45
  think
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  it's
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  less
• 3:46
  common.
• 3:47
  I
• 3:47
  tend
• 3:48
  to
• 3:48
  disagree.
• 3:49
  These
• 3:49
  experiences,
• 3:50
  I
• 3:50
  think,
• 3:50
  happen
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  more
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  often
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  than
• 3:52
  not
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  where
• 3:53
  we
• 3:54
  have
• 3:54
  something
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  perhaps
• 3:56
  anomalous
• 3:57
  or
• 3:57
  extraordinary
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  occur
• 3:59
  that
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  is
• 4:00
  outside
• 4:01
  of
• 4:01
  our
• 4:02
  ontological
• 4:02
  framework.
• 4:03
  And
• 4:03
  perhaps
• 4:04
  there's
• 4:04
  ontological
• 4:05
  shock.
• 4:05
  And
• 4:06
  ontological
• 4:06
  just
• 4:07
  means
• 4:07
  for
• 4:07
  listeners,
• 4:08
  like
• 4:08
  your
• 4:08
  belief
• 4:09
  system
• 4:09
  gets
• 4:10
  shook,
• 4:10
  like
• 4:10
  what
• 4:11
  just
• 4:11
  happened?
• 4:12
  This
• 4:12
  is
• 4:13
  non
• 4:14
  ordinary
• 4:15
  transpersonal.
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  So
• 4:17
  I
• 4:17
  had
• 4:18
  an
• 4:18
  experience
• 4:18
  that
• 4:19
  really
• 4:19
  was.
• 4:20
  Later
• 4:21
  I
• 4:22
  learned
• 4:23
  in
• 4:24
  the
• 4:24
  lineage
• 4:24
  of
• 4:24
  Indo
• 4:25
  Tibetan
• 4:25
  Buddhism,
• 4:25
  I'd
• 4:26
  had,
• 4:26
  we
• 4:26
  might
• 4:26
  say,
• 4:28
  experience
• 4:28
  of
• 4:28
  the
• 4:29
  clear
• 4:29
  light
• 4:29
  of
• 4:30
  emptiness.
• 4:31
  And
• 4:31
  emptiness
• 4:31
  is
• 4:32
  something
• 4:32
  that
• 4:33
  evolves.
• 4:33
  The
• 4:34
  evolution
• 4:34
  and
• 4:34
  experience
• 4:35
  and
• 4:35
  realization
• 4:35
  of
• 4:35
  emptiness
• 4:36
  is
• 4:36
  something
• 4:36
  we
• 4:36
  could
• 4:37
  spend
• 4:37
  the
• 4:37
  whole
• 4:37
  show
• 4:38
  on
• 4:38
  on
• 4:38
  how
• 4:38
  it
• 4:38
  evolves,
• 4:39
  not
• 4:39
  just
• 4:39
  one
• 4:40
  realization.
• 4:41
  It
• 4:41
  is
• 4:42
  beyond
• 4:43
  all
• 4:43
  thoughts
• 4:44
  to
• 4:44
  imagine
• 4:44
  and
• 4:45
  all
• 4:45
  words
• 4:45
  to
• 4:46
  describe
• 4:46
  this
• 4:47
  sort
• 4:47
  of
• 4:47
  experience.
• 4:47
  And
• 4:48
  I
• 4:48
  feel
• 4:48
  that
• 4:48
  you
• 4:49
  both
• 4:49
  know
• 4:50
  what
• 4:50
  I'm
• 4:51
  talking
• 4:51
  about
• 4:51
  and
• 4:52
  your
• 4:52
  listeners
• 4:53
  also
• 4:53
  know
• 4:54
  what
• 4:54
  I'm
• 4:55
  talking
• 4:55
  about,
• 4:55
  because
• 4:56
  when
• 4:56
  we
• 4:56
  recognize
• 4:57
  and
• 4:57
  are
• 4:57
  unified
• 4:58
  with
• 4:58
  our
• 4:58
  own
• 4:59
  consciousness,
• 5:00
  it
• 5:00
  is
• 5:01
  beyond
• 5:01
  the
• 5:01
  individual
• 5:02
  and
• 5:02
  where
• 5:03
  we
• 5:03
  all
• 5:03
  meet,
• 5:04
  Right?
• 5:04
  So
• 5:05
  I'm
• 5:05
  trying
• 5:06
  to
• 5:06
  find
• 5:06
  words
• 5:06
  to
• 5:06
  explain
• 5:07
  it,
• 5:07
  but
• 5:08
  it
• 5:08
  really
• 5:08
  was
• 5:08
  triggered
• 5:09
  by
• 5:09
  suffering.
• 5:10
  Without
• 5:10
  going
• 5:10
  into
• 5:11
  too
• 5:11
  much
• 5:11
  story,
• 5:11
  I
• 5:11
  was
• 5:12
  in
• 5:12
  my
• 5:12
  late
• 5:13
  20s,
• 5:15
  had
• 5:15
  achieved
• 5:16
  all
• 5:16
  of
• 5:16
  the
• 5:17
  things
• 5:17
  I
• 5:17
  was
• 5:17
  supposed
• 5:18
  to
• 5:18
  achieve,
• 5:19
  at
• 5:19
  least
• 5:19
  in
• 5:19
  my,
• 5:20
  you
• 5:20
  know,
• 5:20
  social,
• 5:21
  cultural
• 5:21
  bubble.
• 5:22
  I
• 5:22
  had
• 5:22
  was
• 5:23
  paying
• 5:23
  off
• 5:23
  my
• 5:24
  student
• 5:24
  loans.
• 5:25
  I
• 5:25
  was.
• 5:26
  Had
• 5:26
  a
• 5:26
  good
• 5:26
  education.
• 5:27
  I
• 5:27
  had
• 5:28
  a
• 5:28
  fancy
• 5:28
  corporate
• 5:29
  job.
• 5:29
  I
• 5:29
  had
• 5:29
  a
• 5:30
  fancy
• 5:31
  boyfriend.
• 5:31
  I
• 5:32
  lived
• 5:32
  in
• 5:32
  a
• 5:32
  nice
• 5:32
  apartment
• 5:33
  in
• 5:33
  Boston.
• 5:34
  I
• 5:34
  had
• 5:34
  all
• 5:34
  of
• 5:34
  the
• 5:34
  things.
• 5:35
  And
• 5:35
  yet
• 5:35
  I
• 5:36
  was
• 5:36
  very
• 5:36
  unhappy.
• 5:37
  I
• 5:37
  was
• 5:37
  somehow
• 5:38
  felt
• 5:39
  that
• 5:39
  I
• 5:39
  had
• 5:40
  lost
• 5:42
  my
• 5:42
  inner
• 5:43
  compass
• 5:44
  and
• 5:44
  that
• 5:45
  something
• 5:46
  was
• 5:46
  missing.
• 5:47
  And
• 5:47
  for
• 5:47
  me,
• 5:47
  it
• 5:48
  was
• 5:48
  something,
• 5:48
  if
• 5:48
  I
• 5:49
  had
• 5:49
  to
• 5:49
  codify
• 5:49
  it,
• 5:50
  it
• 5:50
  was
• 5:51
  the
• 5:51
  meaning
• 5:51
  of
• 5:52
  life.
• 5:52
  The
• 5:52
  big
• 5:52
  questions,
• 5:53
  why
• 5:53
  are
• 5:53
  we
• 5:54
  here?
• 5:54
  What
• 5:54
  is
• 5:55
  the
• 5:55
  purpose
• 5:55
  if
• 5:56
  this
• 5:56
  isn't
• 5:56
  it?
• 5:57
  Having
• 5:57
  all
• 5:58
  the
• 5:58
  things
• 5:59
  and
• 6:00
  then
• 6:00
  what
• 6:01
  is
• 6:01
  going
• 6:01
  on
• 6:01
  there
• 6:02
  also
• 6:02
  is,
• 6:03
  like
• 6:03
  most
• 6:04
  of
• 6:04
  us
• 6:04
  humans,
• 6:04
  you
• 6:04
  know,
• 6:05
  I
• 6:05
  had
• 6:05
  some
• 6:06
  small
• 6:06
  T
• 6:06
  trauma
• 6:07
  and
• 6:08
  my
• 6:08
  own
• 6:08
  psychology,
• 6:09
  you
• 6:09
  know,
• 6:10
  that
• 6:10
  I
• 6:10
  was
• 6:10
  working
• 6:11
  with
• 6:11
  at
• 6:11
  the
• 6:11
  time
• 6:12
  and
• 6:12
  trying
• 6:13
  to
• 6:13
  struggle
• 6:14
  and
• 6:14
  figure
• 6:14
  it
• 6:15
  out.
• 6:15
  And
• 6:16
  I,
• 6:16
  yeah,
• 6:17
  I
• 6:17
  had
• 6:17
  an
• 6:17
  awakening
• 6:18
  and
• 6:18
  then.
• 6:18
  And
• 6:19
  that's
• 6:19
  a
• 6:19
  story
• 6:19
  in
• 6:19
  itself
• 6:20
  and
• 6:21
  is
• 6:21
  beautiful
• 6:22
  to
• 6:22
  talk
• 6:22
  about.
• 6:22
  But
• 6:23
  the
• 6:23
  important
• 6:23
  part
• 6:23
  of
• 6:24
  it
• 6:24
  was
• 6:24
  I
• 6:25
  went
• 6:26
  looking
• 6:26
  after
• 6:27
  that
• 6:27
  for
• 6:27
  those
• 6:28
  who
• 6:28
  could,
• 6:30
  yes,
• 6:31
  put
• 6:31
  in
• 6:31
  a
• 6:31
  frame,
• 6:32
  explain
• 6:32
  what
• 6:33
  had
• 6:33
  happened.
• 6:33
  I
• 6:33
  didn't
• 6:33
  doubt
• 6:34
  it.
• 6:34
  I
• 6:34
  didn't
• 6:34
  think
• 6:35
  I
• 6:35
  was
• 6:35
  crazy.
• 6:35
  I
• 6:36
  knew
• 6:36
  I
• 6:36
  wasn't
• 6:36
  crazy.
• 6:36
  And
• 6:37
  I
• 6:37
  also
• 6:37
  knew
• 6:37
  I
• 6:37
  wasn't
• 6:38
  alone.
• 6:38
  I
• 6:39
  was
• 6:39
  not
• 6:39
  special.
• 6:40
  We're
• 6:40
  all
• 6:41
  special.
• 6:42
  And
• 6:43
  I
• 6:44
  hadn't
• 6:45
  searching
• 6:46
  in
• 6:46
  academia,
• 6:47
  searching
• 6:47
  in
• 6:47
  Western
• 6:48
  education
• 6:49
  as
• 6:49
  I'd
• 6:49
  had
• 6:49
  up
• 6:49
  to
• 6:50
  then,
• 6:50
  even
• 6:51
  searching
• 6:51
  growing
• 6:51
  up
• 6:51
  in
• 6:52
  the
• 6:52
  41
• 6:52
  5,
• 6:52
  growing
• 6:53
  up
• 6:53
  in
• 6:53
  the
• 6:53
  Bay
• 6:53
  Area
• 6:54
  in
• 6:54
  the
• 6:54
  70s
• 6:55
  and
• 6:55
  80s,
• 6:55
  I
• 6:55
  had
• 6:56
  access
• 6:56
  to
• 6:56
  a
• 6:56
  lot
• 6:56
  of
• 6:56
  New
• 6:57
  Age
• 6:57
  culture.
• 6:58
  I
• 6:58
  didn't
• 6:59
  find
• 6:59
  the
• 6:59
  conversation
• 7:00
  I
• 7:00
  wanted
• 7:01
  to
• 7:01
  have
• 7:02
  and
• 7:03
  how
• 7:03
  I
• 7:04
  knew
• 7:04
  I
• 7:04
  could
• 7:04
  really
• 7:04
  integrate
• 7:05
  this
• 7:05
  clear
• 7:06
  light,
• 7:06
  this
• 7:06
  profound
• 7:07
  experience
• 7:07
  I'd
• 7:08
  had
• 7:09
  until
• 7:09
  I
• 7:09
  found
• 7:10
  Tibetan
• 7:10
  Buddhism.
• 7:11
  So
• 7:11
  this
• 7:11
  was
• 7:13
  the
• 7:13
  very
• 7:13
  end
• 7:13
  of
• 7:14
  the
• 7:14
  last
• 7:14
  century,
• 7:15
  and
• 7:15
  the
• 7:16
  Dalai
• 7:16
  Lama
• 7:17
  had
• 7:17
  a
• 7:17
  bestseller
• 7:17
  at
• 7:18
  the
• 7:18
  time,
• 7:18
  the
• 7:19
  Art
• 7:19
  of
• 7:19
  Happiness.
• 7:20
  And
• 7:21
  fortunately,
• 7:22
  due
• 7:22
  to
• 7:22
  finding
• 7:23
  those
• 7:23
  teachings,
• 7:24
  I
• 7:24
  found
• 7:24
  the
• 7:24
  conversation
• 7:25
  that
• 7:25
  I
• 7:26
  was
• 7:26
  looking
• 7:26
  for.
• 7:27
  And
• 7:27
  in
• 7:28
  a
• 7:28
  way,
• 7:28
  my
• 7:28
  path
• 7:29
  began
• 7:30
  there.
• 7:30
  And
• 7:31
  yes,
• 7:31
  I
• 7:31
  agree,
• 7:31
  Roger,
• 7:32
  and
• 7:32
  I
• 7:33
  know
• 7:33
  you
• 7:33
  have
• 7:34
  extensive
• 7:34
  knowledge
• 7:35
  in
• 7:35
  this
• 7:35
  as
• 7:35
  well.
• 7:37
  Tibetan
• 7:38
  Buddhism
• 7:38
  is
• 7:39
  just
• 7:39
  had
• 7:40
  centuries.
• 7:41
  And
• 7:41
  Indo
• 7:42
  Tibetan
• 7:42
  Buddhism,
• 7:43
  not
• 7:43
  just
• 7:44
  Tibet,
• 7:44
  but
• 7:45
  Indo
• 7:45
  Tibetan
• 7:45
  Buddhism,
• 7:46
  has
• 7:47
  had
• 7:47
  centuries
• 7:49
  focused
• 7:50
  on
• 7:51
  what
• 7:52
  we
• 7:52
  might
• 7:52
  call
• 7:52
  our
• 7:52
  spiritual
• 7:54
  evolution
• 7:55
  and
• 7:56
  dedicated
• 7:57
  to
• 7:57
  that
• 7:58
  journey.
• 7:59
  And
• 8:00
  so
• 8:00
  I
• 8:00
  spent
• 8:01
  the
• 8:01
  next
• 8:02
  20,
• 8:02
  25
• 8:03
  years
• 8:04
  deeply
• 8:04
  practicing
• 8:05
  in
• 8:06
  that
• 8:07
  lineage,
• 8:07
  in
• 8:07
  the
• 8:08
  lineage
• 8:08
  of
• 8:08
  the
• 8:08
  Dalai
• 8:08
  Lama,
• 8:09
  in
• 8:09
  particular,
• 8:09
  the
• 8:09
  Galukpa
• 8:10
  lineage,
• 8:11
  doing
• 8:11
  retreat,
• 8:12
  studying,
• 8:13
  and
• 8:13
  also
• 8:14
  keeping
• 8:14
  one
• 8:15
  foot
• 8:15
  in
• 8:15
  my
• 8:16
  studies
• 8:16
  of
• 8:17
  integral
• 8:17
  Theory.
• 8:18
  I
• 8:18
  found
• 8:18
  Ken
• 8:18
  Wilber's
• 8:19
  work
• 8:19
  in
• 8:19
  99
• 8:20
  about
• 8:20
  the
• 8:20
  same
• 8:21
  time.
• 8:22
  And
• 8:22
  though
• 8:22
  I
• 8:22
  was
• 8:23
  so
• 8:23
  deeply
• 8:23
  immersed
• 8:24
  in
• 8:24
  my
• 8:25
  teachings
• 8:25
  and
• 8:25
  path,
• 8:26
  and
• 8:26
  also
• 8:26
  running
• 8:26
  nonprofits
• 8:27
  and
• 8:27
  being
• 8:27
  in
• 8:28
  the
• 8:28
  world
• 8:28
  and
• 8:28
  teaching
• 8:28
  and
• 8:29
  getting
• 8:30
  psychology
• 8:31
  degrees
• 8:31
  over
• 8:31
  time,
• 8:31
  all
• 8:32
  of
• 8:32
  this,
• 8:32
  but
• 8:33
  the
• 8:33
  Integral
• 8:34
  theory
• 8:35
  and
• 8:35
  Ken's
• 8:36
  work,
• 8:36
  and
• 8:36
  following
• 8:37
  Ken's
• 8:37
  work
• 8:37
  and
• 8:37
  making
• 8:38
  some
• 8:38
  friendships
• 8:38
  there,
• 8:39
  also
• 8:39
  kept
• 8:39
  me
• 8:39
  grounded
• 8:40
  in
• 8:40
  modernity,
• 8:41
  which
• 8:41
  I
• 8:42
  am
• 8:42
  forever
• 8:43
  grateful
• 8:44
  for.
• 8:44
  So,
• 8:45
  yeah,
• 8:46
  I'll
• 8:46
  pause
• 8:46
  there.
• 8:47
  Kimberly,
• 8:48
  can
• 8:48
  I
• 8:48
  ask
• 8:48
  you.
• 8:49
  You're
• 8:49
  the
• 8:49
  only
• 8:50
  female
• 8:51
  lama
• 8:51
  that
• 8:52
  I've
• 8:52
  ever
• 8:52
  met.
• 8:52
  Are
• 8:53
  you
• 8:53
  an
• 8:53
  exception?
• 8:53
  Are
• 8:54
  there
• 8:54
  others
• 8:55
  around?
• 8:55
  There
• 8:55
  are
• 8:56
  quite
• 8:56
  a
• 8:56
  few,
• 8:57
  yes.
• 8:57
  And
• 8:58
  a
• 8:58
  lot
• 8:58
  of
• 8:58
  them
• 8:59
  are
• 9:00
  secret
• 9:01
  also.
• 9:01
  And
• 9:02
  quiet,
• 9:03
  especially
• 9:03
  in
• 9:03
  Vajrayana,
• 9:04
  where
• 9:05
  things
• 9:05
  can
• 9:06
  get
• 9:06
  very
• 9:06
  hushed
• 9:07
  and
• 9:07
  very
• 9:07
  quiet
• 9:08
  for
• 9:08
  good
• 9:08
  reason
• 9:08
  and
• 9:09
  sometimes
• 9:09
  for
• 9:09
  not
• 9:10
  so
• 9:10
  good
• 9:10
  reason.
• 9:10
  But.
• 9:11
  Yeah,
• 9:12
  thank
• 9:12
  you.
• 9:13
  The
• 9:13
  secret
• 9:13
  schools.
• 9:14
  Yeah,
• 9:14
  that's
• 9:14
  good.
• 9:16
  Yeah.
• 9:16
  Perhaps
• 9:17
  since
• 9:17
  you've
• 9:18
  immersed
• 9:19
  yourself
• 9:20
  so
• 9:20
  deeply
• 9:20
  in
• 9:21
  this
• 9:21
  tradition,
• 9:21
  might
• 9:21
  be
• 9:22
  beautiful.
• 9:23
  You
• 9:23
  know,
• 9:24
  I'm
• 9:24
  going
• 9:24
  to
• 9:25
  ask
• 9:25
  you
• 9:25
  an
• 9:25
  impossible
• 9:26
  question,
• 9:26
  kind
• 9:26
  of
• 9:26
  given.
• 9:27
  Give
• 9:28
  your
• 9:28
  take
• 9:29
  as
• 9:29
  an
• 9:29
  overview
• 9:29
  of
• 9:30
  this
• 9:30
  path.
• 9:31
  And
• 9:31
  of
• 9:31
  course,
• 9:31
  there
• 9:31
  have
• 9:31
  been
• 9:32
  libraries
• 9:32
  written
• 9:32
  about
• 9:33
  this.
• 9:33
  But
• 9:34
  how
• 9:34
  do
• 9:34
  you
• 9:35
  see
• 9:36
  this
• 9:36
  path?
• 9:37
  What
• 9:37
  do
• 9:38
  you
• 9:38
  see
• 9:38
  as
• 9:38
  the
• 9:39
  foundational
• 9:39
  practices,
• 9:40
  the
• 9:41
  core
• 9:41
  concepts?
• 9:42
  It's
• 9:43
  an
• 9:43
  open
• 9:43
  question.
• 9:43
  Take
• 9:44
  it
• 9:44
  where
• 9:44
  you'd
• 9:44
  like.
• 9:45
  Oh,
• 9:45
  thanks,
• 9:45
  Roger.
• 9:46
  You
• 9:46
  know,
• 9:46
  it's
• 9:47
  very
• 9:47
  simple.
• 9:48
  As
• 9:48
  you
• 9:48
  know,
• 9:48
  there
• 9:48
  are
• 9:49
  many
• 9:49
  different
• 9:49
  schools
• 9:49
  and
• 9:50
  many
• 9:50
  different
• 9:50
  paths
• 9:51
  and
• 9:51
  many
• 9:51
  different
• 9:52
  ways
• 9:52
  to
• 9:52
  go
• 9:52
  about
• 9:52
  this,
• 9:53
  which
• 9:53
  was
• 9:53
  part
• 9:53
  of
• 9:54
  my
• 9:54
  attraction
• 9:54
  to
• 9:54
  Tibetan
• 9:55
  Buddhism,
• 9:55
  is
• 9:56
  it
• 9:56
  is,
• 9:56
  in
• 9:56
  essence,
• 9:57
  an
• 9:58
  evolutionary
• 9:59
  model.
• 9:59
  It's.
• 9:59
  There's
• 10:00
  not
• 10:00
  just
• 10:00
  one
• 10:00
  way.
• 10:01
  And
• 10:01
  that
• 10:02
  involves.
• 10:02
  That
• 10:03
  applies
• 10:03
  to
• 10:03
  both
• 10:03
  our
• 10:04
  stages
• 10:04
  of
• 10:04
  realization
• 10:05
  that
• 10:05
  we
• 10:05
  go
• 10:05
  through
• 10:06
  and
• 10:06
  our
• 10:07
  age,
• 10:07
  you
• 10:07
  know,
• 10:08
  what's
• 10:08
  appropriate
• 10:08
  at
• 10:09
  different
• 10:09
  stages
• 10:09
  and
• 10:09
  ages
• 10:10
  and
• 10:10
  all
• 10:10
  of
• 10:10
  that.
• 10:11
  But
• 10:11
  the
• 10:11
  essence
• 10:12
  of
• 10:12
  Tibetan
• 10:12
  Buddhism
• 10:13
  and
• 10:13
  its
• 10:13
  gift,
• 10:14
  I
• 10:14
  think
• 10:14
  it's
• 10:15
  real
• 10:15
  gift
• 10:15
  to
• 10:15
  us
• 10:16
  as
• 10:17
  humanity.
• 10:18
  You
• 10:18
  know,
• 10:18
  it's
• 10:18
  this
• 10:18
  rare,
• 10:19
  precious,
• 10:19
  in
• 10:20
  my
• 10:20
  opinion,
• 10:21
  this
• 10:21
  rare,
• 10:22
  precious
• 10:23
  jewel
• 10:24
  of
• 10:24
  humanity
• 10:25
  that,
• 10:26
  you
• 10:26
  know,
• 10:26
  the
• 10:27
  Himalayas,
• 10:28
  the
• 10:28
  Himalayan
• 10:29
  plateau,
• 10:30
  we
• 10:30
  can
• 10:30
  say
• 10:30
  has
• 10:31
  generated.
• 10:31
  And
• 10:32
  we
• 10:32
  want
• 10:32
  to
• 10:32
  replicate
• 10:33
  it
• 10:33
  and
• 10:33
  save
• 10:33
  it
• 10:34
  and
• 10:34
  pass
• 10:34
  it
• 10:35
  on.
• 10:35
  So.
• 10:35
  But
• 10:36
  the.
• 10:36
  So
• 10:36
  that
• 10:37
  I
• 10:37
  think
• 10:37
  you'd
• 10:38
  say
• 10:38
  are
• 10:38
  in
• 10:39
  Tibetan.
• 10:39
  It's
• 10:39
  called
• 10:40
  Lamso
• 10:40
  Namsum,
• 10:41
  the
• 10:41
  three
• 10:41
  principal
• 10:42
  paths.
• 10:43
  And
• 10:43
  I
• 10:43
  say
• 10:43
  the
• 10:43
  Tibetan
• 10:44
  just
• 10:44
  to.
• 10:45
  It's
• 10:45
  a
• 10:45
  dying
• 10:45
  language
• 10:46
  and
• 10:46
  just
• 10:47
  to
• 10:47
  send
• 10:47
  it
• 10:48
  out
• 10:48
  as
• 10:48
  a
• 10:48
  prayer
• 10:48
  for
• 10:48
  the
• 10:49
  world.
• 10:49
  So
• 10:50
  lam
• 10:50
  so.
• 10:51
  Or
• 10:51
  the
• 10:52
  three
• 10:52
  principal
• 10:52
  paths.
• 10:53
  And
• 10:53
  the
• 10:53
  three
• 10:54
  principal
• 10:54
  paths
• 10:55
  really
• 10:55
  rely
• 10:55
  on
• 10:55
  each
• 10:56
  other
• 10:56
  and
• 10:57
  then
• 10:57
  they
• 10:57
  go
• 10:57
  together.
• 10:58
  So
• 10:58
  think
• 10:58
  of
• 10:58
  it
• 10:58
  more
• 10:59
  like
• 10:59
  a
• 10:59
  triad,
• 11:00
  right?
• 11:01
  And
• 11:01
  the
• 11:02
  first
• 11:02
  is
• 11:02
  ethics,
• 11:03
  the
• 11:03
  practice
• 11:04
  of
• 11:04
  ethics.
• 11:05
  The
• 11:05
  second
• 11:06
  is
• 11:06
  bodhichitta,
• 11:07
  or
• 11:08
  the
• 11:08
  path
• 11:09
  of
• 11:09
  the
• 11:09
  warrior
• 11:10
  heart,
• 11:10
  the
• 11:10
  spiritual
• 11:11
  heart,
• 11:11
  the
• 11:11
  warrior
• 11:12
  saint,
• 11:13
  is
• 11:13
  how
• 11:13
  the
• 11:13
  Bodhisattva
• 11:14
  is
• 11:14
  translated.
• 11:15
  These
• 11:16
  are
• 11:16
  the
• 11:16
  codes
• 11:16
  of
• 11:16
  how
• 11:17
  to
• 11:17
  live
• 11:17
  from
• 11:18
  a
• 11:18
  place
• 11:18
  of
• 11:19
  heart
• 11:19
  and
• 11:19
  wisdom.
• 11:20
  And
• 11:20
  then
• 11:21
  the
• 11:21
  third
• 11:21
  is
• 11:21
  wisdom
• 11:21
  itself.
• 11:23
  And
• 11:24
  they
• 11:24
  really
• 11:25
  intersect
• 11:25
  and
• 11:26
  rely
• 11:26
  on
• 11:26
  each
• 11:26
  other.
• 11:27
  And
• 11:27
  the
• 11:27
  gifts
• 11:28
  of
• 11:28
  Buddhism
• 11:28
  are
• 11:29
  to
• 11:29
  understand
• 11:30
  wisdom,
• 11:31
  I
• 11:31
  think,
• 11:31
  which
• 11:32
  leads
• 11:32
  to
• 11:33
  bodhicitta,
• 11:34
  which
• 11:34
  leads
• 11:34
  to
• 11:34
  ethics.
• 11:35
  And
• 11:35
  more
• 11:36
  ethics
• 11:36
  leads
• 11:37
  to
• 11:37
  more
• 11:37
  wisdom,
• 11:38
  which
• 11:39
  leads
• 11:39
  to
• 11:39
  more
• 11:39
  bodhichitta,
• 11:40
  which
• 11:40
  leads
• 11:41
  to
• 11:41
  ethics.
• 11:41
  So
• 11:41
  it's
• 11:42
  this,
• 11:43
  you
• 11:43
  know,
• 11:43
  interpenetrative,
• 11:45
  interdependent
• 11:46
  relationship.
• 11:48
  The
• 11:49
  other
• 11:50
  gift.
• 11:50
  I
• 11:50
  mean,
• 11:50
  there's
• 11:50
  so
• 11:51
  many.
• 11:51
  Right.
• 11:51
  Of
• 11:51
  Tibetan
• 11:52
  Buddhism
• 11:52
  in
• 11:52
  particular,
• 11:53
  just
• 11:53
  that
• 11:53
  applied
• 11:54
  to
• 11:54
  my
• 11:54
  life
• 11:54
  and
• 11:54
  speaking
• 11:55
  just
• 11:55
  as
• 11:55
  Kimberly,
• 11:56
  you
• 11:56
  know,
• 11:56
  in
• 11:56
  my
• 11:57
  life
• 11:57
  life,
• 11:57
  I'm
• 11:57
  for
• 11:58
  your
• 11:58
  listeners.
• 11:58
  I
• 11:59
  am
• 11:59
  also,
• 12:00
  more
• 12:00
  recently,
• 12:00
  after
• 12:01
  much
• 12:01
  of
• 12:01
  my
• 12:02
  spiritual
• 12:02
  study,
• 12:02
  I
• 12:02
  became
• 12:03
  a
• 12:03
  wife,
• 12:03
  I
• 12:03
  became
• 12:03
  a
• 12:04
  mother,
• 12:04
  I'm
• 12:04
  a
• 12:04
  householder.
• 12:05
  I
• 12:05
  did
• 12:05
  that
• 12:06
  after
• 12:06
  my
• 12:06
  training.
• 12:07
  I
• 12:07
  sort
• 12:07
  of
• 12:07
  flipped
• 12:08
  it.
• 12:08
  Some
• 12:08
  people
• 12:09
  do.
• 12:09
  So
• 12:09
  I'm
• 12:09
  also
• 12:09
  very,
• 12:10
  very
• 12:11
  much
• 12:12
  in
• 12:12
  the
• 12:13
  world.
• 12:13
  But
• 12:13
  the
• 12:14
  gifts
• 12:14
  of
• 12:14
  Buddhism
• 12:15
  really
• 12:16
  are
• 12:17
  how
• 12:17
  to
• 12:18
  understand
• 12:19
  and
• 12:19
  penetrate
• 12:20
  the
• 12:21
  mind
• 12:21
  and
• 12:21
  how
• 12:22
  the
• 12:22
  mind
• 12:22
  works
• 12:22
  and
• 12:23
  how
• 12:23
  our
• 12:23
  reality
• 12:23
  works.
• 12:26
  Buddhism
• 12:27
  would
• 12:27
  say
• 12:29
  that
• 12:29
  there's
• 12:30
  one
• 12:31
  main
• 12:32
  problem
• 12:33
  that
• 12:34
  we
• 12:34
  somehow
• 12:35
  have
• 12:35
  to
• 12:35
  figure
• 12:36
  out
• 12:36
  and
• 12:36
  solve,
• 12:37
  and
• 12:37
  we
• 12:38
  need
• 12:38
  to
• 12:38
  do
• 12:38
  it
• 12:38
  ourselves.
• 12:39
  Nobody
• 12:39
  can
• 12:39
  do
• 12:40
  it
• 12:40
  for
• 12:40
  us.
• 12:41
  And
• 12:41
  this
• 12:42
  main
• 12:42
  problem
• 12:43
  is
• 12:43
  self
• 12:43
  cherishing
• 12:44
  and
• 12:45
  self
• 12:45
  cherishing
• 12:46
  doesn't
• 12:46
  mean
• 12:47
  we're
• 12:49
  bad
• 12:49
  people,
• 12:50
  and
• 12:50
  it
• 12:51
  doesn't
• 12:51
  mean
• 12:52
  there's
• 12:52
  something
• 12:52
  wrong
• 12:53
  with
• 12:53
  us.
• 12:54
  But
• 12:54
  somehow
• 12:55
  we're
• 12:55
  getting
• 12:56
  it
• 12:56
  wrong.
• 12:56
  We're
• 12:57
  doing
• 12:57
  something
• 12:59
  that
• 13:00
  is
• 13:00
  based
• 13:01
  on
• 13:01
  an
• 13:01
  illusion,
• 13:02
  that
• 13:02
  is
• 13:03
  based
• 13:03
  on
• 13:03
  a
• 13:03
  dream.
• 13:04
  And
• 13:04
  by
• 13:04
  doing
• 13:05
  that,
• 13:05
  we
• 13:05
  hurt
• 13:05
  ourselves
• 13:06
  and
• 13:06
  others.
• 13:06
  And
• 13:07
  so
• 13:07
  we
• 13:07
  create
• 13:08
  suffering
• 13:08
  in
• 13:08
  our
• 13:09
  individual
• 13:10
  world
• 13:10
  and
• 13:11
  suffering
• 13:11
  on
• 13:12
  a
• 13:12
  larger
• 13:12
  scale
• 13:13
  in
• 13:13
  our
• 13:13
  collective.
• 13:14
  And
• 13:15
  so
• 13:15
  somehow
• 13:16
  understanding
• 13:17
  that
• 13:17
  is
• 13:17
  where
• 13:18
  ethics,
• 13:19
  bodhichitta
• 13:21
  and
• 13:21
  wisdom
• 13:22
  come
• 13:22
  together.
• 13:22
  And
• 13:23
  the
• 13:23
  more
• 13:23
  we
• 13:23
  can
• 13:24
  kind
• 13:25
  of
• 13:25
  solve
• 13:26
  that
• 13:26
  problem
• 13:26
  for
• 13:27
  ourselves
• 13:27
  of
• 13:28
  what
• 13:28
  is
• 13:28
  going
• 13:28
  on.
• 13:28
  This
• 13:29
  is
• 13:29
  what
• 13:29
  I
• 13:29
  was
• 13:29
  doing
• 13:29
  in
• 13:29
  my
• 13:30
  late
• 13:30
  20s.
• 13:30
  What
• 13:30
  am
• 13:31
  I
• 13:31
  doing
• 13:31
  wrong?
• 13:32
  I'm
• 13:32
  doing
• 13:33
  everything
• 13:33
  I'm
• 13:33
  supposed
• 13:33
  to
• 13:34
  be
• 13:34
  doing,
• 13:34
  but
• 13:35
  what
• 13:35
  am
• 13:35
  I
• 13:35
  doing
• 13:35
  wrong?
• 13:36
  I'm
• 13:36
  not
• 13:36
  a
• 13:36
  bad
• 13:36
  person.
• 13:37
  No
• 13:37
  one's
• 13:37
  a
• 13:37
  bad
• 13:38
  person.
• 13:38
  But
• 13:38
  somehow
• 13:39
  we
• 13:40
  have
• 13:40
  to
• 13:40
  penetrate
• 13:42
  this
• 13:43
  particular
• 13:43
  self
• 13:44
  cherishing
• 13:45
  is
• 13:45
  what
• 13:45
  the
• 13:46
  gift
• 13:46
  of
• 13:46
  Buddhism
• 13:47
  has
• 13:47
  for
• 13:47
  us,
• 13:48
  I
• 13:48
  think.
• 13:48
  And
• 13:48
  Kimberly,
• 13:49
  you've
• 13:49
  mentioned
• 13:50
  several
• 13:50
  times
• 13:50
  this
• 13:51
  triad
• 13:51
  of
• 13:52
  ethics,
• 13:52
  wisdom
• 13:52
  and
• 13:53
  bodhicitta.
• 13:54
  So
• 13:54
  maybe
• 13:54
  it'd
• 13:54
  be
• 13:54
  nice
• 13:55
  to
• 13:55
  unpack
• 13:56
  the.
• 13:57
  This,
• 13:58
  this
• 13:59
  bottomless
• 14:00
  concept
• 14:01
  of
• 14:01
  bodhicitta
• 14:02
  for
• 14:03
  us.
• 14:05
  Yes.
• 14:07
  Well,
• 14:07
  you
• 14:07
  know,
• 14:08
  bodhicitta
• 14:09
  is
• 14:09
  also
• 14:10
  something
• 14:11
  that
• 14:11
  evolves
• 14:11
  and
• 14:11
  changes
• 14:12
  over
• 14:12
  time.
• 14:13
  I'd
• 14:13
  love
• 14:14
  to
• 14:14
  hear
• 14:14
  your
• 14:15
  understanding
• 14:15
  of
• 14:15
  it
• 14:16
  too,
• 14:16
  Roger,
• 14:16
  if
• 14:16
  you
• 14:16
  would
• 14:17
  gift
• 14:17
  us
• 14:17
  with
• 14:17
  that.
• 14:18
  And
• 14:18
  how
• 14:19
  you
• 14:19
  experience
• 14:19
  bodhichitta,
• 14:22
  it's
• 14:22
  connected
• 14:23
  deeply
• 14:23
  with
• 14:24
  wisdom.
• 14:25
  And
• 14:26
  I
• 14:28
  have
• 14:28
  realized
• 14:29
  and
• 14:30
  that
• 14:31
  any
• 14:33
  sign
• 14:33
  that
• 14:34
  we've
• 14:34
  had
• 14:34
  a
• 14:35
  real
• 14:35
  satori,
• 14:36
  a
• 14:36
  realization
• 14:37
  with
• 14:37
  a
• 14:37
  capital
• 14:38
  R
• 14:39
  in
• 14:39
  Sanskrit
• 14:39
  is
• 14:40
  called
• 14:40
  pramana
• 14:40
  vartika,
• 14:41
  that
• 14:41
  we've
• 14:41
  had
• 14:42
  a
• 14:42
  wisdom
• 14:43
  insight
• 14:44
  in
• 14:44
  some
• 14:44
  way,
• 14:45
  it
• 14:45
  should
• 14:46
  automatically
• 14:47
  lead
• 14:47
  us
• 14:47
  to
• 14:47
  bodhichitta.
• 14:50
  It
• 14:50
  should
• 14:50
  automatically
• 14:51
  lead
• 14:51
  us
• 14:51
  to
• 14:52
  this
• 14:53
  awakening
• 14:54
  of,
• 14:54
  oh,
• 14:54
  my
• 14:54
  gosh,
• 14:56
  I
• 14:56
  need
• 14:56
  to
• 14:56
  change
• 14:57
  how
• 14:57
  I
• 14:57
  do
• 14:57
  things.
• 14:58
  I
• 14:59
  need
• 14:59
  to
• 15:00
  do
• 15:00
  something
• 15:01
  different.
• 15:02
  You
• 15:02
  know,
• 15:03
  I
• 15:03
  need
• 15:03
  to
• 15:04
  be
• 15:04
  kinder
• 15:05
  to
• 15:05
  myself
• 15:06
  and
• 15:06
  be
• 15:07
  kinder
• 15:07
  to
• 15:07
  others.
• 15:08
  I
• 15:08
  need
• 15:09
  to
• 15:09
  step
• 15:09
  into
• 15:09
  my
• 15:09
  callings.
• 15:10
  You
• 15:10
  know,
• 15:11
  I
• 15:11
  have
• 15:12
  a
• 15:12
  deep
• 15:12
  responsibility
• 15:13
  and
• 15:13
  a
• 15:14
  personal
• 15:14
  responsibility.
• 15:15
  In
• 15:16
  Tibetan,
• 15:16
  there's
• 15:17
  a
• 15:17
  beautiful
• 15:18
  word
• 15:19
  that's
• 15:19
  like
• 15:19
  a
• 15:20
  synonym
• 15:20
  for
• 15:21
  cheetah.
• 15:22
  It's.
• 15:23
  It
• 15:24
  means
• 15:24
  personal
• 15:24
  responsibility.
• 15:25
  I
• 15:26
  have
• 15:26
  a
• 15:26
  personal
• 15:27
  responsibility
• 15:29
  because
• 15:29
  each
• 15:30
  moment,
• 15:31
  each
• 15:32
  thought,
• 15:33
  each
• 15:34
  word
• 15:35
  and
• 15:35
  each
• 15:36
  deed
• 15:37
  that
• 15:38
  I
• 15:38
  am
• 15:39
  individually
• 15:41
  observing
• 15:42
  myself
• 15:42
  doing
• 15:44
  is
• 15:45
  painting
• 15:46
  the
• 15:46
  next
• 15:47
  moments
• 15:48
  into
• 15:48
  existence
• 15:50
  for
• 15:50
  me.
• 15:51
  And
• 15:51
  for
• 15:51
  me,
• 15:51
  not
• 15:52
  just
• 15:52
  Kimberly,
• 15:52
  but
• 15:53
  me,
• 15:53
  the
• 15:53
  big
• 15:53
  me,
• 15:54
  and
• 15:54
  rippling
• 15:55
  out
• 15:55
  to
• 15:55
  impact
• 15:56
  other
• 15:57
  beings.
• 15:59
  So
• 16:00
  bodhichitta
• 16:01
  is
• 16:02
  this
• 16:02
  deep
• 16:03
  realization
• 16:05
  of
• 16:07
  reality.
• 16:08
  You
• 16:08
  know,
• 16:09
  it's
• 16:09
  called
• 16:10
  the
• 16:10
  perfection
• 16:10
  of
• 16:10
  wisdom.
• 16:11
  And
• 16:11
  so
• 16:12
  it's
• 16:12
  again
• 16:12
  interpenetrated
• 16:14
  with
• 16:15
  wisdom
• 16:15
  and
• 16:16
  then
• 16:16
  with
• 16:16
  action,
• 16:17
  with
• 16:17
  ethics,
• 16:18
  with,
• 16:18
  I've
• 16:19
  got
• 16:19
  to
• 16:19
  be
• 16:20
  More
• 16:20
  patient,
• 16:21
  not
• 16:21
  only
• 16:21
  with
• 16:21
  my
• 16:21
  husband,
• 16:23
  but
• 16:23
  with
• 16:24
  myself.
• 16:24
  That's
• 16:25
  the
• 16:25
  most
• 16:25
  difficult.
• 16:26
  The
• 16:27
  most
• 16:27
  difficult.
• 16:28
  Yeah.
• 16:28
  You
• 16:29
  know,
• 16:29
  we've
• 16:30
  had
• 16:31
  a
• 16:31
  realization
• 16:31
  of
• 16:32
  wisdom.
• 16:32
  I'm
• 16:32
  going
• 16:32
  to
• 16:32
  say
• 16:32
  it
• 16:33
  again.
• 16:33
  When
• 16:33
  we
• 16:33
  get
• 16:34
  up
• 16:35
  and
• 16:36
  we're
• 16:36
  bugged
• 16:37
  less,
• 16:37
  we're
• 16:37
  bothered
• 16:38
  less,
• 16:38
  and
• 16:38
  we
• 16:39
  want
• 16:39
  to
• 16:39
  do
• 16:41
  something
• 16:42
  for
• 16:42
  all
• 16:42
  of
• 16:42
  us.
• 16:43
  Right,
• 16:44
  all
• 16:44
  of
• 16:44
  us.
• 16:45
  And.
• 16:45
  And
• 16:46
  then
• 16:46
  that
• 16:46
  leads
• 16:46
  to
• 16:47
  ethics.
• 16:47
  Right.
• 16:48
  So
• 16:49
  that's
• 16:50
  how
• 16:50
  they
• 16:50
  go
• 16:50
  together.
• 16:52
  Well,
• 16:52
  let
• 16:53
  me
• 16:53
  ask,
• 16:53
  because
• 16:53
  you've
• 16:54
  pointed
• 16:54
  to
• 16:55
  a
• 16:55
  lot
• 16:55
  of
• 16:55
  possible
• 16:56
  outcomes
• 16:57
  from
• 16:57
  any
• 16:58
  deep
• 16:58
  opening
• 16:59
  insight
• 16:59
  awakening,
• 17:01
  and
• 17:01
  you've
• 17:01
  implied
• 17:02
  that
• 17:02
  some
• 17:03
  of
• 17:03
  those
• 17:04
  are
• 17:04
  kind
• 17:04
  of
• 17:04
  automatic.
• 17:05
  And
• 17:05
  I
• 17:06
  wonder
• 17:06
  about
• 17:07
  that.
• 17:07
  Are
• 17:08
  they
• 17:09
  automatic
• 17:10
  or
• 17:10
  are
• 17:10
  they.
• 17:12
  Do
• 17:12
  these
• 17:12
  realizations
• 17:13
  come
• 17:14
  online
• 17:14
  as
• 17:15
  a
• 17:15
  result
• 17:15
  of
• 17:16
  subsequent
• 17:16
  reflection
• 17:18
  teaching?
• 17:20
  What's
• 17:20
  your
• 17:20
  take
• 17:20
  on
• 17:21
  that?
• 17:21
  Yeah,
• 17:22
  I
• 17:22
  think
• 17:22
  both.
• 17:23
  I
• 17:23
  am
• 17:25
  right
• 17:26
  now
• 17:27
  observing
• 17:28
  what
• 17:29
  seems
• 17:29
  to
• 17:29
  be.
• 17:29
  If
• 17:30
  we're
• 17:30
  switching
• 17:30
  to
• 17:31
  the
• 17:31
  more
• 17:31
  developmental
• 17:32
  psychology
• 17:33
  side
• 17:33
  too.
• 17:33
  And
• 17:33
  what
• 17:34
  we're
• 17:34
  observing
• 17:35
  in
• 17:35
  terms
• 17:35
  of
• 17:36
  how
• 17:36
  ego
• 17:37
  development
• 17:37
  happens,
• 17:38
  there
• 17:39
  does
• 17:39
  seem
• 17:39
  to
• 17:39
  be
• 17:41
  states,
• 17:41
  you
• 17:42
  know,
• 17:42
  realization
• 17:43
  or
• 17:43
  states
• 17:44
  that
• 17:44
  are
• 17:45
  precursors
• 17:45
  of
• 17:46
  our
• 17:46
  next
• 17:46
  stage.
• 17:47
  So,
• 17:48
  for
• 17:48
  example,
• 17:48
  metacognition
• 17:49
  itself,
• 17:50
  which
• 17:50
  is
• 17:51
  something
• 17:51
  that
• 17:51
  we
• 17:51
  grow
• 17:52
  into,
• 17:53
  say
• 17:54
  in
• 17:54
  our
• 17:54
  late
• 17:55
  teens
• 17:55
  or
• 17:56
  I'm
• 17:56
  speaking
• 17:56
  very
• 17:57
  generally,
• 17:57
  but
• 17:58
  late
• 17:58
  teens
• 17:58
  or
• 17:59
  maybe
• 17:59
  in
• 18:00
  our
• 18:00
  20s.
• 18:01
  Some
• 18:01
  people,
• 18:02
  it
• 18:02
  seems,
• 18:03
  maybe,
• 18:04
  perhaps
• 18:04
  describe.
• 18:05
  Metacognition
• 18:06
  for
• 18:06
  those
• 18:06
  of
• 18:06
  us
• 18:06
  who
• 18:06
  may
• 18:07
  not
• 18:07
  know
• 18:07
  what
• 18:07
  that
• 18:07
  means.
• 18:08
  Metacognition
• 18:09
  is
• 18:09
  the
• 18:09
  capacity
• 18:10
  to
• 18:10
  think
• 18:10
  about
• 18:11
  your
• 18:11
  thinking,
• 18:12
  think
• 18:12
  about
• 18:12
  your
• 18:12
  feeling
• 18:13
  or
• 18:14
  feel
• 18:14
  about
• 18:14
  your
• 18:15
  behavior.
• 18:15
  It's
• 18:16
  this
• 18:16
  cognitive
• 18:16
  capacity
• 18:17
  that
• 18:18
  happens
• 18:18
  at
• 18:19
  the
• 18:19
  end
• 18:19
  of
• 18:19
  third
• 18:19
  person
• 18:20
  perspective
• 18:21
  for
• 18:21
  listeners
• 18:22
  out
• 18:22
  there
• 18:22
  following
• 18:23
  perspective
• 18:24
  taking.
• 18:24
  And
• 18:25
  it's
• 18:26
  something
• 18:27
  that
• 18:27
  can
• 18:27
  be
• 18:27
  taught
• 18:28
  and
• 18:29
  is
• 18:29
  important
• 18:30
  to
• 18:30
  be
• 18:30
  taught,
• 18:31
  for
• 18:31
  example,
• 18:31
  in
• 18:32
  cognitive
• 18:33
  behavioral
• 18:33
  therapy
• 18:34
  and
• 18:34
  other
• 18:34
  sorts
• 18:35
  of
• 18:35
  therapies
• 18:35
  that
• 18:35
  train
• 18:36
  us
• 18:37
  to
• 18:37
  develop
• 18:38
  this
• 18:38
  capacity.
• 18:39
  So
• 18:40
  that
• 18:41
  metacognition
• 18:42
  can
• 18:42
  happen
• 18:42
  with
• 18:42
  training.
• 18:43
  But
• 18:44
  I
• 18:44
  think
• 18:44
  it
• 18:44
  can
• 18:44
  happen
• 18:45
  naturally
• 18:45
  through,
• 18:46
  you
• 18:46
  could
• 18:46
  argue,
• 18:46
  the
• 18:46
  exposure
• 18:47
  of
• 18:47
  our
• 18:47
  culture
• 18:48
  or
• 18:49
  difficulties,
• 18:50
  or
• 18:50
  it
• 18:51
  is
• 18:51
  something
• 18:51
  that
• 18:51
  people
• 18:51
  can
• 18:52
  grow
• 18:52
  into.
• 18:53
  How
• 18:54
  and
• 18:54
  when
• 18:54
  that
• 18:54
  happens
• 18:54
  is
• 18:55
  still
• 18:55
  a
• 18:55
  mystery.
• 18:55
  So
• 18:56
  it
• 18:56
  can
• 18:56
  be
• 18:56
  both
• 18:57
  natural,
• 18:57
  I
• 18:57
  think,
• 18:58
  and
• 18:58
  automatic
• 18:59
  for
• 18:59
  some,
• 18:59
  under
• 19:00
  the
• 19:00
  right
• 19:00
  conditions
• 19:00
  and
• 19:01
  something
• 19:01
  that's
• 19:01
  trained,
• 19:02
  both
• 19:02
  of
• 19:02
  those
• 19:02
  things
• 19:03
  can
• 19:03
  happen.
• 19:04
  What
• 19:04
  we're
• 19:04
  finding
• 19:05
  in
• 19:06
  the
• 19:06
  later
• 19:07
  stages
• 19:08
  of
• 19:08
  ego
• 19:08
  development
• 19:09
  is
• 19:10
  that
• 19:10
  spiritual
• 19:11
  training,
• 19:12
  I'm
• 19:12
  using
• 19:13
  the
• 19:13
  word
• 19:13
  spiritual,
• 19:13
  it
• 19:13
  might
• 19:14
  not
• 19:14
  be
• 19:14
  codified
• 19:15
  that
• 19:15
  way
• 19:15
  for
• 19:15
  some
• 19:15
  sort
• 19:16
  of
• 19:16
  consciousness
• 19:17
  training,
• 19:18
  awareness
• 19:19
  training,
• 19:21
  I'm
• 19:21
  not
• 19:21
  going
• 19:21
  to
• 19:21
  say
• 19:22
  necessary,
• 19:23
  but
• 19:23
  pretty
• 19:23
  darn
• 19:24
  close
• 19:24
  of
• 19:25
  necessary
• 19:25
  in
• 19:26
  order
• 19:26
  to
• 19:27
  help
• 19:27
  in
• 19:28
  a
• 19:28
  healthy
• 19:28
  way
• 19:29
  access
• 19:30
  and
• 19:30
  embrace
• 19:30
  what
• 19:31
  seemed
• 19:31
  to
• 19:31
  be
• 19:31
  the
• 19:31
  later
• 19:32
  stages
• 19:32
  of
• 19:33
  consciousness
• 19:35
  and
• 19:35
  ego
• 19:36
  identity,
• 19:36
  we
• 19:37
  can
• 19:37
  say
• 19:37
  of
• 19:37
  our
• 19:38
  identity.
• 19:38
  And
• 19:38
  so
• 19:38
  in
• 19:39
  that
• 19:40
  case,
• 19:41
  it's
• 19:42
  these
• 19:42
  spiritual
• 19:43
  realizations
• 19:44
  or
• 19:44
  states
• 19:45
  or
• 19:45
  we
• 19:45
  might
• 19:45
  even
• 19:46
  say
• 19:46
  ethical
• 19:46
  implications
• 19:48
  of
• 19:50
  are
• 19:50
  required.
• 19:51
  Now,
• 19:52
  how
• 19:52
  you
• 19:52
  get
• 19:52
  there
• 19:54
  is,
• 19:55
  you
• 19:55
  know,
• 19:55
  there's
• 19:56
  obviously
• 19:56
  not
• 19:56
  one
• 19:57
  way.
• 19:57
  But
• 19:57
  training,
• 19:58
  certainly
• 19:59
  we
• 20:00
  are
• 20:00
  seeing
• 20:01
  is
• 20:02
  common
• 20:02
  for
• 20:03
  those
• 20:03
  who
• 20:03
  have
• 20:04
  access
• 20:05
  and
• 20:06
  stabilized
• 20:07
  these
• 20:08
  later
• 20:08
  stages
• 20:08
  of
• 20:09
  ego
• 20:09
  development.
• 20:10
  So
• 20:10
  I
• 20:10
  don't
• 20:10
  know
• 20:11
  if
• 20:11
  that
• 20:11
  completely
• 20:11
  answers
• 20:12
  the
• 20:12
  question
• 20:13
  or
• 20:13
  thought
• 20:13
  process,
• 20:14
  Roger.
• 20:14
  Well,
• 20:15
  it
• 20:15
  certainly
• 20:15
  gives
• 20:15
  us
• 20:16
  a
• 20:16
  lot
• 20:16
  of
• 20:16
  rich
• 20:17
  ideas
• 20:18
  to
• 20:18
  work
• 20:18
  with.
• 20:18
  Yeah.
• 20:19
  And
• 20:19
  you're
• 20:20
  talking
• 20:20
  about
• 20:20
  the
• 20:20
  process
• 20:21
  in
• 20:22
  many
• 20:22
  ways,
• 20:23
  integration
• 20:23
  that
• 20:24
  we
• 20:24
  tend
• 20:25
  to
• 20:25
  think
• 20:25
  of
• 20:26
  insights
• 20:26
  happening
• 20:27
  and
• 20:27
  automatic
• 20:28
  responses.
• 20:28
  But
• 20:28
  it
• 20:29
  does
• 20:29
  seem
• 20:29
  that
• 20:29
  there
• 20:30
  is
• 20:31
  an
• 20:31
  integration
• 20:32
  process
• 20:33
  that
• 20:33
  often
• 20:34
  is
• 20:34
  necessary.
• 20:35
  And
• 20:36
  I
• 20:36
  haven't
• 20:37
  seen
• 20:37
  that
• 20:37
  really
• 20:38
  laid
• 20:38
  out
• 20:39
  clearly.
• 20:39
  Maybe
• 20:39
  it
• 20:40
  is
• 20:40
  somewhere
• 20:41
  in
• 20:41
  your
• 20:41
  tradition,
• 20:42
  but
• 20:43
  I
• 20:43
  haven't
• 20:43
  seen
• 20:44
  even
• 20:44
  Dan
• 20:44
  Brown,
• 20:45
  who
• 20:45
  was
• 20:45
  brilliant,
• 20:46
  one
• 20:46
  of
• 20:46
  my
• 20:46
  teachers,
• 20:47
  he
• 20:48
  pointed
• 20:48
  to
• 20:48
  several
• 20:48
  steps.
• 20:49
  But
• 20:50
  I'm
• 20:50
  just
• 20:50
  intrigued
• 20:51
  to
• 20:51
  have
• 20:51
  you
• 20:52
  lay
• 20:52
  that
• 20:52
  out.
• 20:53
  And
• 20:53
  you
• 20:53
  make
• 20:53
  the
• 20:53
  important
• 20:54
  point
• 20:54
  that
• 20:56
  multiple
• 20:56
  capacities,
• 20:57
  including
• 20:58
  particular
• 20:58
  later
• 20:59
  developmental
• 20:59
  stages,
• 21:01
  and
• 21:01
  maybe
• 21:02
  at
• 21:02
  some
• 21:02
  stage
• 21:02
  you
• 21:03
  want
• 21:03
  to
• 21:03
  dive
• 21:04
  into
• 21:04
  your
• 21:05
  knowledge
• 21:05
  of
• 21:06
  adult
• 21:06
  development,
• 21:07
  but
• 21:07
  that
• 21:08
  many
• 21:08
  of
• 21:09
  those
• 21:09
  later
• 21:09
  developmental
• 21:10
  stages
• 21:11
  and
• 21:11
  capacities
• 21:12
  don't
• 21:12
  just
• 21:12
  come
• 21:12
  online
• 21:13
  automatically,
• 21:14
  at
• 21:14
  least
• 21:14
  in
• 21:14
  our
• 21:14
  culture
• 21:15
  where
• 21:16
  the
• 21:16
  conventional
• 21:17
  level
• 21:17
  is
• 21:18
  clearly
• 21:19
  suboptimal.
• 21:20
  As
• 21:20
  Abraham
• 21:20
  Maslow
• 21:21
  said,
• 21:21
  what
• 21:21
  we
• 21:21
  call
• 21:21
  normality
• 21:22
  is
• 21:22
  a
• 21:22
  form
• 21:22
  of
• 21:23
  unrecognized
• 21:24
  collective
• 21:24
  developmental
• 21:25
  arrest,
• 21:26
  but
• 21:27
  they
• 21:27
  can
• 21:27
  be
• 21:28
  fostered
• 21:29
  by
• 21:29
  individual
• 21:30
  practice
• 21:31
  and
• 21:31
  of
• 21:31
  course,
• 21:32
  in
• 21:32
  a
• 21:32
  group
• 21:32
  context.
• 21:33
  So,
• 21:34
  yeah,
• 21:34
  thanks
• 21:35
  for
• 21:35
  bringing
• 21:35
  that
• 21:36
  in.
• 21:36
  Yeah,
• 21:37
  you've
• 21:37
  mentioned
• 21:38
  that
• 21:38
  some
• 21:39
  kinds
• 21:39
  of
• 21:39
  practice
• 21:40
  is
• 21:40
  essential.
• 21:40
  Could
• 21:41
  you
• 21:41
  just
• 21:41
  give
• 21:41
  an
• 21:41
  overview
• 21:42
  of
• 21:42
  the
• 21:42
  varieties
• 21:43
  of
• 21:43
  practice
• 21:44
  that
• 21:44
  are
• 21:44
  available
• 21:45
  in
• 21:45
  this
• 21:45
  tradition?
• 21:45
  Because
• 21:46
  as
• 21:46
  far
• 21:46
  as
• 21:46
  I
• 21:46
  can
• 21:46
  see,
• 21:47
  there's
• 21:47
  a
• 21:48
  broader
• 21:48
  array
• 21:48
  of
• 21:49
  practices
• 21:49
  than
• 21:50
  in
• 21:50
  any
• 21:50
  other
• 21:50
  tradition.
• 21:51
  This
• 21:51
  culture
• 21:52
  for
• 21:52
  a
• 21:52
  thousand
• 21:52
  years
• 21:53
  didn't
• 21:53
  create
• 21:54
  any
• 21:54
  decent
• 21:55
  science
• 21:55
  or
• 21:55
  architecture
• 21:56
  or
• 21:56
  art.
• 21:57
  But
• 21:58
  wow,
• 21:58
  did
• 21:58
  they
• 21:59
  explore
• 21:59
  the
• 22:00
  human
• 22:00
  mind
• 22:00
  like
• 22:01
  no
• 22:01
  other
• 22:01
  culture
• 22:02
  has.
• 22:02
  So
• 22:03
  love
• 22:03
  to
• 22:03
  hear
• 22:04
  you
• 22:04
  talk
• 22:04
  about
• 22:04
  the
• 22:04
  richness
• 22:05
  of
• 22:05
  practices
• 22:06
  that
• 22:06
  this
• 22:07
  tradition
• 22:08
  bring,
• 22:09
  offers
• 22:09
  and
• 22:10
  is
• 22:10
  gifting
• 22:10
  us
• 22:11
  and.
• 22:11
  The
• 22:11
  world
• 22:12
  now
• 22:13
  so
• 22:13
  much.
• 22:13
  So,
• 22:14
  yes,
• 22:15
  yes.
• 22:15
  Well,
• 22:16
  yes,
• 22:16
  it
• 22:16
  was,
• 22:16
  you
• 22:16
  know,
• 22:17
  hundreds,
• 22:17
  thousands
• 22:18
  of
• 22:18
  years
• 22:18
  of
• 22:19
  study
• 22:19
  with
• 22:19
  the
• 22:20
  great
• 22:20
  schools
• 22:21
  of
• 22:21
  Northern
• 22:21
  India,
• 22:23
  Nalanda.
• 22:24
  And
• 22:24
  these
• 22:24
  great
• 22:24
  tradition,
• 22:25
  Tibetan
• 22:26
  Buddhism
• 22:26
  and
• 22:26
  Indo
• 22:26
  Tibetan
• 22:27
  Buddhism,
• 22:27
  produce
• 22:28
  these
• 22:28
  four
• 22:28
  schools
• 22:29
  which
• 22:30
  are
• 22:30
  developmental.
• 22:31
  And
• 22:31
  each
• 22:31
  one
• 22:31
  of
• 22:32
  them
• 22:32
  define
• 22:33
  reality
• 22:33
  in
• 22:34
  a
• 22:34
  different
• 22:34
  way
• 22:34
  and
• 22:35
  define
• 22:35
  practice
• 22:36
  in
• 22:36
  a
• 22:36
  different
• 22:36
  way.
• 22:37
  And
• 22:37
  they
• 22:37
  really
• 22:38
  start
• 22:38
  with
• 22:39
  the
• 22:39
  hinayana
• 22:40
  approach
• 22:41
  of
• 22:42
  just
• 22:42
  the
• 22:43
  basic
• 22:43
  wisdom
• 22:44
  of
• 22:45
  things
• 22:45
  change.
• 22:47
  So
• 22:48
  and
• 22:48
  I
• 22:48
  want
• 22:48
  the
• 22:48
  listeners
• 22:49
  to
• 22:49
  be
• 22:49
  able
• 22:49
  to
• 22:49
  walk
• 22:50
  away
• 22:50
  with
• 22:50
  something
• 22:50
  and
• 22:51
  just
• 22:51
  the
• 22:51
  basic
• 22:52
  wisdom,
• 22:52
  which
• 22:53
  is
• 22:53
  not
• 22:53
  so
• 22:54
  basic
• 22:54
  really.
• 22:55
  Right.
• 22:55
  That
• 22:56
  everything
• 22:56
  is
• 22:57
  changing,
• 22:57
  everything
• 22:58
  is
• 22:58
  insubstantial,
• 22:59
  everything
• 22:59
  comes
• 23:00
  and
• 23:00
  goes.
• 23:01
  And
• 23:02
  this
• 23:03
  itself
• 23:04
  is
• 23:05
  a
• 23:05
  certain
• 23:05
  sort
• 23:05
  of
• 23:05
  refuge
• 23:06
  and
• 23:06
  a
• 23:06
  certain
• 23:06
  sort
• 23:07
  of
• 23:07
  Understanding
• 23:07
  of
• 23:08
  the
• 23:08
  world.
• 23:08
  You
• 23:09
  know,
• 23:09
  things
• 23:09
  come,
• 23:10
  things
• 23:10
  go.
• 23:10
  It's
• 23:10
  like
• 23:11
  grandma
• 23:11
  said,
• 23:11
  this
• 23:11
  too
• 23:12
  shall
• 23:12
  pass.
• 23:13
  And
• 23:14
  that's
• 23:14
  the
• 23:15
  foundational
• 23:16
  school
• 23:16
  of
• 23:17
  wisdom.
• 23:17
  And
• 23:18
  then
• 23:18
  also
• 23:19
  including
• 23:20
  in
• 23:20
  that
• 23:20
  and
• 23:20
  that
• 23:21
  understanding
• 23:21
  of
• 23:21
  that
• 23:21
  foundation,
• 23:22
  you
• 23:23
  start
• 23:23
  to
• 23:23
  see
• 23:23
  that
• 23:23
  things
• 23:24
  also
• 23:24
  are
• 23:25
  out
• 23:25
  of
• 23:25
  my
• 23:25
  control.
• 23:26
  You
• 23:26
  know,
• 23:26
  things
• 23:27
  change
• 23:28
  and
• 23:29
  I
• 23:29
  can't
• 23:29
  control
• 23:30
  them.
• 23:31
  And
• 23:31
  so
• 23:31
  this
• 23:32
  foundational
• 23:32
  school
• 23:33
  says,
• 23:33
  okay,
• 23:34
  then
• 23:35
  focus
• 23:35
  on
• 23:35
  your
• 23:35
  next
• 23:36
  life,
• 23:36
  focus
• 23:36
  on
• 23:36
  your
• 23:37
  future.
• 23:37
  Right?
• 23:37
  Focus
• 23:38
  on
• 23:38
  the
• 23:39
  activities
• 23:40
  that
• 23:40
  are
• 23:40
  going
• 23:41
  to
• 23:41
  create
• 23:42
  a
• 23:42
  happy
• 23:43
  life
• 23:43
  for
• 23:43
  you
• 23:43
  and
• 23:43
  a
• 23:43
  happy
• 23:44
  life
• 23:44
  for
• 23:44
  those
• 23:44
  around
• 23:45
  you
• 23:46
  into
• 23:46
  the
• 23:46
  future.
• 23:47
  And
• 23:48
  these
• 23:48
  are
• 23:48
  good
• 23:48
  things
• 23:50
  because
• 23:51
  to
• 23:51
  throw
• 23:51
  it
• 23:51
  back
• 23:52
  to
• 23:52
  Maslow
• 23:52
  a
• 23:52
  bit,
• 23:53
  we
• 23:53
  do
• 23:53
  need
• 23:54
  training.
• 23:54
  We
• 23:54
  need
• 23:55
  to
• 23:55
  teach
• 23:55
  our
• 23:55
  children,
• 23:56
  we
• 23:56
  need
• 23:56
  to
• 23:56
  teach
• 23:56
  our
• 23:57
  inner
• 23:57
  child
• 23:58
  parts.
• 23:58
  We
• 23:58
  need
• 23:59
  to
• 23:59
  understand
• 24:00
  that
• 24:00
  the
• 24:00
  actions
• 24:01
  that
• 24:01
  we
• 24:02
  do
• 24:02
  are
• 24:03
  going
• 24:03
  to
• 24:03
  have
• 24:03
  an
• 24:04
  effect.
• 24:05
  And
• 24:05
  so
• 24:05
  we
• 24:05
  want
• 24:06
  to
• 24:06
  be
• 24:07
  loving,
• 24:07
  be
• 24:07
  wise,
• 24:08
  not
• 24:08
  lie.
• 24:09
  Most
• 24:10
  major
• 24:10
  religious
• 24:11
  traditions
• 24:11
  that
• 24:11
  we
• 24:12
  have
• 24:12
  have
• 24:12
  just
• 24:12
  begged
• 24:13
  us
• 24:13
  to
• 24:13
  be
• 24:13
  good
• 24:13
  to
• 24:13
  each
• 24:14
  other.
• 24:15
  And
• 24:15
  Indo
• 24:15
  Tibetan
• 24:16
  Buddhism
• 24:16
  is
• 24:16
  no
• 24:17
  different
• 24:17
  in
• 24:17
  that
• 24:17
  way.
• 24:18
  We
• 24:18
  have
• 24:18
  the
• 24:18
  10
• 24:19
  non
• 24:19
  virtues
• 24:20
  of
• 24:21
  Buddhism.
• 24:22
  You
• 24:22
  find
• 24:22
  them
• 24:22
  also
• 24:23
  in
• 24:23
  Patanjali's
• 24:24
  Yoga
• 24:24
  Sutra
• 24:25
  of
• 24:25
  the
• 24:25
  Yamas
• 24:26
  and
• 24:26
  the
• 24:26
  Niyamas.
• 24:27
  You
• 24:27
  find
• 24:27
  them
• 24:27
  in
• 24:27
  the
• 24:27
  great
• 24:28
  traditions
• 24:28
  as
• 24:28
  your
• 24:28
  listeners
• 24:29
  know.
• 24:29
  So
• 24:30
  that's
• 24:30
  the
• 24:30
  foundation
• 24:31
  and
• 24:31
  also
• 24:32
  meditative
• 24:33
  concentration,
• 24:33
  the
• 24:34
  ability
• 24:34
  to
• 24:34
  just
• 24:35
  still
• 24:35
  the
• 24:36
  mind
• 24:38
  and
• 24:38
  start
• 24:38
  to
• 24:39
  move
• 24:40
  our
• 24:40
  awareness
• 24:40
  from
• 24:41
  outside
• 24:41
  in
• 24:42
  to
• 24:42
  a
• 24:42
  place
• 24:43
  of
• 24:43
  stillness.
• 24:44
  Yeah.
• 24:44
  And
• 24:45
  then
• 24:45
  the
• 24:45
  schools
• 24:45
  evolved
• 24:46
  and
• 24:46
  another
• 24:47
  turning
• 24:47
  of
• 24:47
  the
• 24:47
  wheel
• 24:48
  came.
• 24:48
  This
• 24:48
  was
• 24:48
  really
• 24:49
  the
• 24:49
  first
• 24:49
  turning
• 24:49
  of
• 24:49
  the
• 24:50
  wheel
• 24:50
  in
• 24:50
  general.
• 24:51
  The
• 24:51
  second
• 24:52
  turning
• 24:52
  of
• 24:52
  the
• 24:52
  wheel
• 24:52
  came
• 24:53
  and
• 24:54
  the
• 24:54
  Buddha
• 24:55
  taught
• 24:55
  Shakyamuni,
• 24:56
  historical
• 24:56
  Buddha
• 24:57
  plus
• 24:57
  other
• 24:58
  pandits
• 24:59
  are
• 24:59
  credited
• 25:00
  with
• 25:00
  that,
• 25:00
  taught
• 25:00
  something
• 25:01
  else
• 25:01
  and
• 25:01
  evolved
• 25:02
  and
• 25:02
  taught
• 25:03
  us
• 25:03
  about
• 25:04
  the
• 25:05
  mind
• 25:05
  in
• 25:05
  a
• 25:05
  very
• 25:06
  profound
• 25:06
  way.
• 25:07
  And
• 25:07
  classically,
• 25:08
  the
• 25:08
  sutra
• 25:09
  that's
• 25:09
  most
• 25:09
  pointed
• 25:10
  to
• 25:10
  for
• 25:11
  this
• 25:11
  school
• 25:12
  is
• 25:12
  the
• 25:12
  Heart
• 25:12
  Sutra,
• 25:13
  which
• 25:13
  is
• 25:13
  the
• 25:14
  most
• 25:14
  studied,
• 25:14
  the
• 25:15
  most
• 25:15
  debated,
• 25:16
  the
• 25:16
  most
• 25:17
  conversed
• 25:17
  about
• 25:18
  sutra
• 25:19
  that
• 25:19
  we
• 25:19
  have.
• 25:19
  I
• 25:19
  just
• 25:20
  taught
• 25:20
  it
• 25:20
  in
• 25:20
  the
• 25:20
  spring.
• 25:21
  It's
• 25:21
  a
• 25:22
  beautiful
• 25:22
  sutra.
• 25:22
  And
• 25:23
  this
• 25:23
  is
• 25:23
  where
• 25:23
  you
• 25:23
  get
• 25:23
  the
• 25:24
  famous
• 25:25
  phrase
• 25:26
  form
• 25:26
  is
• 25:26
  emptiness,
• 25:27
  emptiness
• 25:27
  is
• 25:28
  form.
• 25:28
  There
• 25:29
  is
• 25:29
  nothing
• 25:29
  to
• 25:29
  hear,
• 25:30
  nothing
• 25:30
  to
• 25:30
  see,
• 25:31
  nothing
• 25:31
  to
• 25:32
  taste,
• 25:32
  you
• 25:33
  know,
• 25:33
  nothing
• 25:33
  to
• 25:33
  smell,
• 25:34
  nothing
• 25:35
  to
• 25:35
  feel,
• 25:35
  nothing
• 25:35
  to
• 25:36
  think
• 25:36
  of.
• 25:36
  And
• 25:36
  what
• 25:37
  that
• 25:37
  all
• 25:37
  means
• 25:37
  is
• 25:38
  a
• 25:38
  big
• 25:39
  topic
• 25:40
  that
• 25:40
  is
• 25:41
  really
• 25:41
  pointing
• 25:42
  to
• 25:42
  the
• 25:42
  trans,
• 25:43
  dual,
• 25:43
  let's
• 25:44
  say
• 25:44
  nature
• 25:44
  of
• 25:45
  reality.
• 25:46
  Not
• 25:46
  just
• 25:46
  non
• 25:47
  dual,
• 25:47
  but
• 25:47
  transdual.
• 25:48
  I
• 25:48
  have
• 25:48
  a
• 25:48
  question.
• 25:49
  Yeah,
• 25:50
  it's
• 25:50
  always
• 25:50
  kind
• 25:51
  of
• 25:51
  been
• 25:51
  a
• 25:51
  mystery
• 25:51
  to
• 25:52
  me
• 25:52
  about
• 25:52
  Buddhism
• 25:53
  and
• 25:53
  definitely
• 25:54
  as
• 25:54
  an
• 25:54
  outsider,
• 25:55
  but
• 25:55
  how
• 25:55
  does
• 25:56
  the
• 25:56
  realization
• 25:57
  of
• 25:58
  emptiness,
• 25:59
  like
• 25:59
  your
• 25:59
  first
• 26:00
  awakening
• 26:00
  experience
• 26:01
  and
• 26:01
  then
• 26:02
  the
• 26:02
  clear
• 26:02
  light,
• 26:03
  how
• 26:03
  does
• 26:04
  ethics
• 26:05
  follow
• 26:05
  from
• 26:05
  that?
• 26:05
  I
• 26:06
  mean,
• 26:06
  it
• 26:06
  could
• 26:06
  be
• 26:06
  just
• 26:06
  nothingness,
• 26:07
  existential
• 26:08
  void
• 26:09
  in
• 26:09
  a
• 26:09
  Western
• 26:10
  Sense,
• 26:10
  just
• 26:10
  nothing.
• 26:10
  Nothing,
• 26:11
  nothing
• 26:11
  matters.
• 26:12
  Nothing,
• 26:12
  everything
• 26:12
  is
• 26:12
  nothing.
• 26:13
  How
• 26:14
  does
• 26:14
  that
• 26:14
  follow
• 26:15
  in
• 26:15
  Buddhist
• 26:16
  thought,
• 26:16
  in
• 26:16
  the
• 26:16
  Buddhist
• 26:16
  tradition,
• 26:17
  that
• 26:18
  kindness
• 26:18
  and
• 26:18
  compassion
• 26:19
  and
• 26:20
  ethical
• 26:21
  behavior
• 26:21
  and
• 26:22
  helping
• 26:22
  the
• 26:23
  world
• 26:23
  and
• 26:23
  others
• 26:23
  and
• 26:24
  being
• 26:24
  kind
• 26:24
  to
• 26:24
  yourself,
• 26:25
  how
• 26:25
  does
• 26:25
  that
• 26:25
  follow
• 26:26
  from
• 26:26
  the
• 26:27
  realization
• 26:27
  of
• 26:27
  emptiness?
• 26:28
  Oh,
• 26:29
  thank
• 26:29
  you.
• 26:29
  Well,
• 26:30
  it's.
• 26:30
  Thank
• 26:31
  you
• 26:31
  for
• 26:31
  the
• 26:31
  question.
• 26:31
  Because
• 26:32
  the
• 26:32
  third
• 26:32
  turning
• 26:32
  of
• 26:33
  the
• 26:33
  wheel
• 26:33
  really
• 26:33
  gets
• 26:33
  to
• 26:34
  that
• 26:34
  and
• 26:35
  to
• 26:35
  that
• 26:36
  particular
• 26:36
  thing.
• 26:36
  Which
• 26:37
  is
• 26:37
  what?
• 26:37
  You
• 26:37
  know,
• 26:38
  the
• 26:38
  breadth.
• 26:38
  If
• 26:38
  we
• 26:38
  were
• 26:38
  to
• 26:38
  talk
• 26:39
  about
• 26:39
  the
• 26:39
  breadth
• 26:39
  of
• 26:39
  Tibetan
• 26:40
  Indo,
• 26:40
  Tibetan
• 26:41
  Buddhism,
• 26:41
  this
• 26:41
  would
• 26:42
  be
• 26:42
  it.
• 26:43
  Emptiness
• 26:43
  doesn't
• 26:44
  mean
• 26:44
  nothing
• 26:44
  exists.
• 26:45
  Let's
• 26:45
  just
• 26:45
  say
• 26:46
  that
• 26:46
  and
• 26:46
  underline
• 26:46
  that
• 26:47
  a
• 26:47
  bunch
• 26:47
  of
• 26:47
  times
• 26:47
  for
• 26:48
  everybody.
• 26:48
  Emptiness
• 26:49
  means
• 26:50
  things
• 26:50
  don't
• 26:51
  exist
• 26:51
  the
• 26:51
  way
• 26:51
  you
• 26:51
  thought
• 26:52
  they
• 26:52
  did.
• 26:53
  That
• 26:53
  helps.
• 26:54
  They
• 26:55
  exist.
• 26:55
  Yeah.
• 26:55
  Just
• 26:56
  remember
• 26:56
  that,
• 26:56
  yeah,
• 26:56
  things
• 26:57
  exist,
• 26:58
  just
• 26:58
  not
• 26:58
  the
• 26:59
  way
• 26:59
  you
• 26:59
  thought.
• 27:01
  And
• 27:02
  that's
• 27:03
  very
• 27:03
  important
• 27:04
  to
• 27:04
  understand.
• 27:05
  And
• 27:05
  when
• 27:06
  we
• 27:06
  perceive
• 27:07
  what
• 27:08
  yes,
• 27:08
  Buddhists
• 27:08
  call
• 27:09
  emptiness
• 27:09
  and
• 27:09
  there's
• 27:10
  emptiness
• 27:10
  and
• 27:10
  then
• 27:10
  there's
• 27:11
  the
• 27:11
  clear
• 27:11
  light
• 27:11
  and
• 27:12
  they're
• 27:12
  different
• 27:13
  things.
• 27:14
  One
• 27:14
  school,
• 27:15
  for
• 27:15
  example,
• 27:16
  the
• 27:17
  Middle
• 27:17
  Way
• 27:17
  Mahayana
• 27:18
  Prasangika
• 27:19
  school,
• 27:19
  the
• 27:19
  Middle
• 27:19
  Way
• 27:19
  schools
• 27:20
  would
• 27:20
  argue
• 27:21
  about
• 27:21
  this
• 27:21
  and
• 27:22
  they
• 27:22
  would
• 27:22
  say,
• 27:22
  okay,
• 27:23
  emptiness,
• 27:23
  you
• 27:23
  can't
• 27:23
  even
• 27:24
  really
• 27:24
  talk
• 27:24
  about
• 27:24
  it.
• 27:24
  As
• 27:24
  soon
• 27:25
  as
• 27:25
  you
• 27:25
  talk
• 27:25
  about
• 27:25
  it,
• 27:26
  you're
• 27:26
  not
• 27:27
  talking
• 27:27
  about
• 27:27
  it
• 27:28
  because
• 27:28
  you're
• 27:29
  using
• 27:29
  words.
• 27:30
  And
• 27:31
  it's
• 27:32
  this
• 27:32
  thing
• 27:32
  that
• 27:33
  we
• 27:33
  think
• 27:34
  is
• 27:34
  there
• 27:34
  that's
• 27:35
  not
• 27:35
  there.
• 27:36
  Let
• 27:36
  me
• 27:36
  put
• 27:36
  it
• 27:37
  this
• 27:37
  way.
• 27:37
  We
• 27:38
  realize
• 27:38
  emptiness
• 27:39
  when
• 27:40
  we
• 27:40
  go
• 27:40
  looking
• 27:41
  for
• 27:41
  the
• 27:41
  thing
• 27:41
  that
• 27:42
  we
• 27:42
  think
• 27:42
  is
• 27:43
  there
• 27:43
  that
• 27:43
  is
• 27:43
  not
• 27:43
  there,
• 27:45
  okay?
• 27:45
  And
• 27:45
  we
• 27:45
  come
• 27:46
  up
• 27:46
  empty
• 27:48
  and
• 27:48
  that's
• 27:49
  emptiness.
• 27:49
  And
• 27:50
  the
• 27:50
  realization
• 27:50
  of
• 27:51
  that
• 27:51
  particular
• 27:52
  flavor
• 27:52
  of
• 27:52
  emptiness
• 27:54
  feels
• 27:54
  like
• 27:56
  I
• 27:56
  thought
• 27:56
  something
• 27:57
  was
• 27:57
  there
• 27:57
  or
• 27:57
  something.
• 27:58
  I
• 27:58
  thought
• 27:58
  I
• 27:58
  had
• 27:58
  a
• 27:58
  self.
• 27:59
  The
• 27:59
  way
• 28:00
  like
• 28:00
  some
• 28:00
  self
• 28:00
  existent
• 28:01
  thing
• 28:02
  that
• 28:03
  there
• 28:03
  was
• 28:03
  a
• 28:03
  Kimberly
• 28:04
  somewhere
• 28:05
  that
• 28:06
  was
• 28:06
  unchanging
• 28:07
  and
• 28:07
  that
• 28:07
  I
• 28:08
  can
• 28:08
  control
• 28:09
  and
• 28:09
  somehow
• 28:10
  was
• 28:10
  like
• 28:10
  this
• 28:11
  thing
• 28:13
  that
• 28:13
  existed
• 28:13
  out
• 28:14
  of
• 28:14
  time
• 28:14
  and
• 28:15
  I
• 28:15
  see
• 28:15
  that's
• 28:15
  not
• 28:16
  there
• 28:16
  and
• 28:16
  I
• 28:16
  come
• 28:16
  up
• 28:17
  empty.
• 28:17
  And
• 28:18
  it's
• 28:18
  kind
• 28:18
  of
• 28:18
  like,
• 28:19
  you
• 28:20
  know,
• 28:20
  going
• 28:21
  to
• 28:21
  a
• 28:21
  dinner
• 28:21
  with
• 28:21
  your
• 28:22
  friends
• 28:22
  and
• 28:23
  you're
• 28:23
  going
• 28:23
  to
• 28:23
  pay
• 28:23
  for
• 28:23
  the
• 28:24
  meal,
• 28:25
  right?
• 28:25
  And
• 28:25
  you
• 28:26
  have
• 28:26
  this
• 28:26
  nice
• 28:26
  dinner
• 28:27
  and
• 28:28
  you
• 28:28
  eat
• 28:29
  with
• 28:29
  your
• 28:29
  friends
• 28:29
  and
• 28:29
  you
• 28:29
  drink
• 28:30
  with
• 28:30
  your
• 28:30
  friends
• 28:30
  and
• 28:31
  it's
• 28:31
  expensive
• 28:32
  and
• 28:32
  you're
• 28:33
  planning
• 28:33
  on
• 28:33
  it
• 28:33
  and
• 28:34
  you
• 28:34
  budgeted
• 28:34
  for
• 28:34
  it
• 28:35
  and
• 28:35
  you
• 28:35
  get
• 28:36
  to
• 28:36
  the
• 28:36
  end
• 28:36
  of
• 28:36
  the
• 28:36
  meal
• 28:37
  and
• 28:37
  everybody's
• 28:38
  happy
• 28:38
  and
• 28:38
  they're
• 28:38
  going
• 28:38
  out
• 28:39
  the
• 28:39
  door
• 28:39
  and
• 28:39
  you
• 28:39
  reach
• 28:39
  into
• 28:40
  your
• 28:40
  pocket
• 28:41
  and
• 28:41
  you
• 28:41
  realize
• 28:42
  your
• 28:42
  wallet's
• 28:42
  not
• 28:42
  there.
• 28:44
  And
• 28:44
  that
• 28:45
  feeling
• 28:45
  of
• 28:47
  oh
• 28:47
  my
• 28:47
  goodness
• 28:48
  is
• 28:49
  what
• 28:49
  emptiness
• 28:50
  is
• 28:50
  pointing
• 28:50
  to,
• 28:51
  okay?
• 28:52
  And
• 28:53
  the
• 28:53
  thing
• 28:53
  that
• 28:54
  it's
• 28:55
  gotcha
• 28:55
  in
• 28:56
  Tibetan,
• 28:56
  it's
• 28:56
  a
• 28:57
  great
• 28:57
  onomatopoeia
• 28:58
  word.
• 28:58
  It's
• 28:58
  like
• 28:58
  Gotcha.
• 28:59
  You
• 28:59
  know,
• 28:59
  the
• 29:00
  thing
• 29:00
  that
• 29:01
  we
• 29:01
  think
• 29:02
  is
• 29:02
  there,
• 29:03
  that
• 29:03
  is
• 29:03
  self
• 29:03
  existent
• 29:05
  in
• 29:06
  real
• 29:06
  terms,
• 29:07
  is
• 29:09
  that
• 29:09
  political
• 29:10
  figure
• 29:11
  that
• 29:12
  I
• 29:12
  just
• 29:12
  can't
• 29:13
  stand,
• 29:15
  who
• 29:15
  exists
• 29:16
  as
• 29:17
  terrible
• 29:17
  from
• 29:18
  their
• 29:18
  own
• 29:18
  side.
• 29:20
  Okay,
• 29:21
  so
• 29:21
  I'll
• 29:21
  say
• 29:21
  it
• 29:21
  again.
• 29:22
  The
• 29:22
  terribleness
• 29:24
  in
• 29:24
  the
• 29:25
  person,
• 29:25
  political
• 29:26
  figure,
• 29:26
  neighbor,
• 29:27
  even
• 29:27
  in
• 29:28
  a
• 29:28
  part
• 29:28
  of
• 29:28
  myself
• 29:29
  that
• 29:29
  I
• 29:30
  think
• 29:30
  is
• 29:30
  so
• 29:31
  real,
• 29:31
  is
• 29:32
  so
• 29:32
  true,
• 29:32
  that
• 29:32
  I'm
• 29:33
  gonna
• 29:33
  hurt
• 29:33
  somebody,
• 29:33
  I'm
• 29:34
  gonna
• 29:34
  argue
• 29:34
  about
• 29:34
  it,
• 29:35
  I'm
• 29:35
  gonna
• 29:35
  blame,
• 29:35
  I'm
• 29:36
  gonna
• 29:36
  give
• 29:36
  myself
• 29:36
  an
• 29:36
  ulcer,
• 29:37
  I'm
• 29:38
  gonna
• 29:39
  do
• 29:39
  all
• 29:39
  of
• 29:39
  this
• 29:40
  that
• 29:40
  I.
• 29:40
  Because
• 29:41
  I
• 29:41
  think
• 29:41
  that
• 29:41
  that
• 29:42
  terribleness
• 29:44
  is
• 29:45
  somehow
• 29:46
  the
• 29:47
  one
• 29:47
  self
• 29:47
  existent
• 29:48
  thing,
• 29:48
  like
• 29:48
  it
• 29:49
  comes
• 29:49
  from
• 29:49
  its
• 29:49
  own
• 29:50
  side.
• 29:50
  It's
• 29:51
  not
• 29:51
  something
• 29:52
  that
• 29:52
  somehow
• 29:53
  I'm
• 29:54
  participated
• 29:54
  in
• 29:55
  seeing.
• 29:56
  Right?
• 29:56
  It's
• 29:56
  somehow
• 29:57
  not
• 29:57
  coming
• 29:57
  from
• 29:58
  me.
• 29:59
  So
• 29:59
  there's
• 29:59
  a
• 30:00
  recognition
• 30:00
  that
• 30:01
  our
• 30:01
  experience
• 30:02
  is
• 30:02
  in
• 30:02
  significant
• 30:03
  and
• 30:03
  usually
• 30:04
  unrecognized
• 30:04
  ways,
• 30:05
  constructed
• 30:06
  again.
• 30:07
  How
• 30:07
  does
• 30:07
  ethics
• 30:08
  follow
• 30:08
  from
• 30:08
  this
• 30:08
  realization?
• 30:09
  How
• 30:09
  do
• 30:10
  we
• 30:10
  become
• 30:10
  better,
• 30:10
  more
• 30:11
  compassionate
• 30:11
  people?
• 30:12
  And
• 30:12
  how
• 30:12
  do
• 30:12
  we
• 30:12
  save
• 30:13
  our
• 30:13
  planet?
• 30:13
  Through
• 30:14
  the
• 30:14
  realization
• 30:14
  of
• 30:14
  the
• 30:15
  clear
• 30:15
  light
• 30:15
  and
• 30:15
  emptiness
• 30:16
  and
• 30:16
  this
• 30:16
  awakening.
• 30:17
  Correct?
• 30:18
  Yes,
• 30:19
  Roger.
• 30:19
  This
• 30:20
  particular
• 30:20
  emptiness
• 30:21
  realization
• 30:21
  I'm
• 30:21
  talking
• 30:22
  about
• 30:22
  is
• 30:22
  that
• 30:23
  deep
• 30:23
  realization
• 30:23
  that
• 30:24
  things
• 30:24
  are
• 30:24
  constructed.
• 30:25
  Yes,
• 30:26
  yes.
• 30:27
  It's
• 30:27
  the
• 30:27
  mind
• 30:28
  only
• 30:28
  school
• 30:28
  realization.
• 30:29
  It's
• 30:29
  essential.
• 30:30
  And
• 30:30
  if
• 30:31
  things
• 30:31
  are
• 30:31
  constructed,
• 30:32
  if
• 30:32
  that
• 30:33
  terribleness
• 30:33
  is
• 30:34
  somehow
• 30:35
  arising
• 30:35
  in
• 30:36
  me,
• 30:36
  in
• 30:36
  the
• 30:37
  big
• 30:37
  me,
• 30:37
  and
• 30:37
  that's
• 30:37
  what
• 30:38
  I'm
• 30:38
  looking
• 30:38
  at.
• 30:38
  I'm
• 30:39
  looking
• 30:39
  at
• 30:39
  my
• 30:39
  thought.
• 30:40
  I'm
• 30:40
  not
• 30:41
  actually
• 30:41
  looking
• 30:41
  at
• 30:42
  the
• 30:42
  person,
• 30:43
  I'm
• 30:44
  looking
• 30:44
  at
• 30:44
  my
• 30:44
  thought.
• 30:45
  Okay,
• 30:46
  so
• 30:47
  if
• 30:47
  I
• 30:47
  realize
• 30:48
  that
• 30:48
  I'm
• 30:48
  looking
• 30:48
  at
• 30:48
  my
• 30:48
  thought
• 30:49
  and
• 30:49
  not
• 30:49
  actually
• 30:50
  the
• 30:50
  person,
• 30:51
  then
• 30:51
  how
• 30:52
  do
• 30:52
  I
• 30:52
  change
• 30:52
  my
• 30:52
  thought?
• 30:53
  How
• 30:53
  do
• 30:53
  I
• 30:54
  change
• 30:54
  my
• 30:54
  political
• 30:55
  figure?
• 30:56
  How
• 30:56
  could
• 30:56
  I
• 30:57
  possibly
• 30:58
  begin
• 30:59
  to
• 31:00
  reconstruct?
• 31:03
  And
• 31:03
  we'd
• 31:04
  say
• 31:04
  in
• 31:04
  Buddhism,
• 31:05
  weed
• 31:05
  out,
• 31:06
  purify
• 31:06
  everything
• 31:07
  we're
• 31:07
  experiencing.
• 31:08
  This
• 31:08
  is
• 31:08
  another
• 31:08
  gift
• 31:09
  of
• 31:09
  Buddhism,
• 31:09
  is
• 31:10
  how
• 31:10
  karma
• 31:10
  and
• 31:10
  emptiness
• 31:11
  interpenetrate
• 31:12
  and
• 31:12
  relate
• 31:13
  the
• 31:13
  mind.
• 31:14
  You
• 31:14
  know,
• 31:14
  think
• 31:15
  of
• 31:15
  it
• 31:15
  like
• 31:15
  the
• 31:15
  canvas.
• 31:16
  Emptiness
• 31:16
  is
• 31:16
  a
• 31:16
  blank
• 31:17
  canvas.
• 31:18
  What
• 31:18
  we'd
• 31:19
  say
• 31:19
  our
• 31:19
  karma
• 31:20
  or
• 31:20
  our
• 31:20
  seeds
• 31:20
  or
• 31:21
  our
• 31:21
  constructs
• 31:22
  are
• 31:22
  the
• 31:22
  paint.
• 31:24
  And
• 31:26
  if
• 31:26
  I
• 31:27
  realize
• 31:28
  that
• 31:28
  I'm
• 31:28
  looking
• 31:29
  at
• 31:29
  the
• 31:29
  paint,
• 31:30
  whether
• 31:30
  it
• 31:31
  came
• 31:31
  from
• 31:31
  my
• 31:31
  past
• 31:31
  lives,
• 31:32
  whether
• 31:32
  it
• 31:32
  came
• 31:33
  from
• 31:33
  my
• 31:33
  genetic
• 31:34
  history,
• 31:35
  whether
• 31:35
  it
• 31:35
  came
• 31:36
  from
• 31:36
  my
• 31:36
  early
• 31:36
  trauma,
• 31:36
  whether
• 31:37
  it
• 31:37
  came
• 31:37
  from
• 31:37
  a
• 31:38
  collective
• 31:39
  karma
• 31:40
  and
• 31:40
  cultural
• 31:41
  agreements
• 31:41
  and
• 31:42
  social
• 31:42
  construction
• 31:43
  or
• 31:43
  individual
• 31:44
  construction.
• 31:44
  All
• 31:44
  four
• 31:45
  quadrants?
• 31:45
  Yeah,
• 31:46
  all
• 31:46
  four
• 31:46
  quadrants.
• 31:47
  Once
• 31:47
  I
• 31:47
  realized
• 31:48
  I'm
• 31:48
  looking
• 31:48
  at
• 31:48
  all
• 31:49
  eight
• 31:49
  zones,
• 31:49
  I'm
• 31:49
  looking
• 31:49
  at
• 31:50
  the
• 31:50
  paint,
• 31:51
  how
• 31:51
  do
• 31:51
  I
• 31:52
  repaint?
• 31:53
  How
• 31:53
  do
• 31:53
  I
• 31:54
  repaint
• 31:54
  for
• 31:54
  the
• 31:54
  future?
• 31:55
  And
• 31:55
  this
• 31:55
  is
• 31:55
  where
• 31:55
  ethics
• 31:56
  comes
• 31:56
  in.
• 31:56
  It's
• 31:56
  like,
• 31:57
  it's
• 31:57
  this
• 31:57
  deep
• 31:58
  personal
• 31:58
  responsibility
• 31:59
  and
• 31:59
  not
• 32:00
  in
• 32:00
  a
• 32:00
  solid
• 32:01
  way.
• 32:01
  And
• 32:01
  this
• 32:01
  is
• 32:02
  why
• 32:02
  it's
• 32:03
  important
• 32:03
  to
• 32:03
  have
• 32:03
  a
• 32:04
  teacher.
• 32:04
  It's
• 32:04
  easy
• 32:05
  to
• 32:05
  fall
• 32:05
  off.
• 32:05
  It's
• 32:06
  easy
• 32:06
  to
• 32:07
  get
• 32:07
  into
• 32:07
  megalomania,
• 32:08
  or
• 32:08
  it's
• 32:08
  easy
• 32:09
  to
• 32:10
  think
• 32:10
  Kimberly
• 32:11
  somehow
• 32:12
  is
• 32:12
  creating
• 32:13
  her
• 32:13
  world
• 32:13
  when
• 32:14
  Kimberly
• 32:14
  is
• 32:14
  just
• 32:15
  another
• 32:15
  thought,
• 32:15
  another
• 32:16
  idea.
• 32:17
  So
• 32:17
  the
• 32:18
  personal
• 32:18
  responsibility
• 32:19
  comes
• 32:19
  with,
• 32:19
  wow,
• 32:20
  I
• 32:20
  can
• 32:20
  do
• 32:20
  something
• 32:21
  different.
• 32:21
  I
• 32:22
  can
• 32:22
  paint
• 32:23
  a
• 32:23
  new
• 32:24
  future
• 32:26
  and
• 32:26
  contribute
• 32:27
  that
• 32:27
  to
• 32:27
  the
• 32:28
  world
• 32:28
  in
• 32:29
  a
• 32:29
  very
• 32:29
  profound
• 32:30
  way.
• 32:31
  It's
• 32:32
  my
• 32:32
  responsibility
• 32:33
  to
• 32:33
  do
• 32:33
  that.
• 32:35
  And
• 32:35
  this
• 32:35
  feels
• 32:36
  like
• 32:36
  you're
• 32:37
  giving
• 32:37
  us
• 32:38
  a
• 32:38
  deep
• 32:38
  foundation
• 32:39
  for
• 32:40
  a
• 32:40
  topic
• 32:41
  that
• 32:41
  we
• 32:41
  wanted
• 32:42
  to
• 32:42
  dive
• 32:42
  into
• 32:42
  more
• 32:43
  deeply
• 32:43
  and
• 32:43
  has
• 32:43
  actually
• 32:44
  been
• 32:44
  a
• 32:44
  recurrent
• 32:44
  theme
• 32:45
  you've
• 32:45
  introduced,
• 32:46
  which
• 32:46
  is
• 32:46
  not
• 32:47
  surprising
• 32:47
  since
• 32:48
  it's
• 32:48
  so
• 32:48
  central,
• 32:49
  as
• 32:49
  you
• 32:49
  said,
• 32:49
  to
• 32:50
  Indo
• 32:51
  Tibetan
• 32:51
  Buddhism
• 32:52
  and
• 32:52
  to
• 32:52
  major
• 32:53
  religions
• 32:54
  on
• 32:54
  this
• 32:54
  topic
• 32:55
  of
• 32:55
  ethics,
• 32:56
  maybe
• 32:56
  we
• 32:56
  can
• 32:56
  dive
• 32:57
  in
• 32:57
  more
• 32:57
  deeply
• 32:58
  here
• 32:58
  because
• 32:59
  not
• 32:59
  only
• 32:59
  is
• 32:59
  it
• 33:00
  such
• 33:00
  a
• 33:00
  central
• 33:01
  spiritual
• 33:03
  practice
• 33:04
  and
• 33:04
  theme
• 33:05
  and
• 33:05
  contemplative
• 33:06
  practice
• 33:06
  and
• 33:06
  theme,
• 33:07
  it's
• 33:07
  also
• 33:07
  something
• 33:07
  you
• 33:08
  have
• 33:08
  worked
• 33:08
  with
• 33:09
  in
• 33:09
  ways
• 33:10
  that
• 33:11
  an
• 33:11
  intensity
• 33:12
  that.
• 33:12
  I'm
• 33:13
  not
• 33:13
  sure
• 33:13
  I
• 33:13
  know
• 33:13
  anyone
• 33:14
  else
• 33:14
  who's
• 33:14
  quite
• 33:14
  done
• 33:15
  it
• 33:15
  as
• 33:15
  fully
• 33:15
  as
• 33:16
  you
• 33:16
  have.
• 33:17
  So
• 33:18
  maybe
• 33:19
  we
• 33:19
  can
• 33:20
  maybe
• 33:21
  how
• 33:21
  to
• 33:21
  bring.
• 33:21
  How
• 33:21
  to
• 33:21
  get
• 33:22
  into
• 33:22
  this.
• 33:22
  Maybe.
• 33:23
  First
• 33:23
  off,
• 33:23
  just
• 33:24
  how
• 33:24
  do
• 33:24
  you
• 33:24
  define
• 33:25
  ethics?
• 33:27
  Thank
• 33:27
  you.
• 33:28
  Well,
• 33:28
  based
• 33:29
  on
• 33:29
  everything
• 33:29
  we've
• 33:29
  talked
• 33:30
  about,
• 33:30
  based
• 33:30
  on
• 33:30
  this
• 33:31
  understanding
• 33:31
  of
• 33:31
  realization
• 33:32
  and
• 33:33
  emptiness,
• 33:33
  and
• 33:34
  we
• 33:34
  can
• 33:34
  come
• 33:34
  back
• 33:34
  to
• 33:34
  the
• 33:35
  clear
• 33:35
  light.
• 33:35
  Maybe
• 33:36
  later.
• 33:36
  John,
• 33:38
  then
• 33:38
  is
• 33:39
  you
• 33:39
  get
• 33:39
  up
• 33:39
  off
• 33:39
  your
• 33:39
  cushion,
• 33:40
  you
• 33:40
  have
• 33:40
  this
• 33:40
  realization,
• 33:41
  you
• 33:41
  have
• 33:42
  this
• 33:43
  impulse,
• 33:44
  and
• 33:44
  then
• 33:44
  what
• 33:44
  do
• 33:44
  we
• 33:45
  do?
• 33:45
  Right?
• 33:45
  What
• 33:45
  do
• 33:46
  we
• 33:46
  do?
• 33:46
  So
• 33:46
  ethics
• 33:47
  is
• 33:47
  what
• 33:47
  we
• 33:48
  deeply
• 33:48
  related
• 33:48
  to
• 33:49
  karma.
• 33:49
  And
• 33:49
  I'll
• 33:49
  stay
• 33:50
  with
• 33:50
  my
• 33:50
  Buddhist
• 33:51
  frame
• 33:51
  here.
• 33:51
  And
• 33:52
  karma
• 33:52
  is
• 33:52
  a
• 33:53
  word
• 33:53
  that
• 33:53
  means.
• 33:54
  It
• 33:54
  comes
• 33:54
  from
• 33:54
  the
• 33:54
  Sanskrit
• 33:55
  root
• 33:55
  cur,
• 33:56
  which
• 33:56
  means
• 33:56
  to
• 33:57
  make
• 33:57
  or
• 33:57
  to
• 33:57
  do.
• 33:59
  So
• 33:59
  when
• 34:00
  I'm
• 34:00
  using
• 34:00
  the
• 34:00
  word
• 34:00
  ethics,
• 34:01
  I'm
• 34:01
  going
• 34:01
  to
• 34:01
  tie
• 34:02
  it
• 34:02
  to
• 34:03
  everything
• 34:04
  we
• 34:04
  think,
• 34:04
  everything
• 34:05
  we
• 34:05
  say
• 34:05
  and
• 34:05
  everything
• 34:06
  we
• 34:06
  do
• 34:07
  right?
• 34:07
  And
• 34:08
  somehow
• 34:10
  these
• 34:11
  things
• 34:12
  that
• 34:12
  we
• 34:13
  say,
• 34:13
  that
• 34:14
  we
• 34:14
  think
• 34:15
  and
• 34:15
  that
• 34:16
  we
• 34:16
  do
• 34:17
  are
• 34:18
  turning
• 34:18
  into
• 34:19
  the
• 34:20
  wordness
• 34:20
  neurologue.
• 34:21
  They're
• 34:22
  the
• 34:22
  material
• 34:23
  cause
• 34:24
  for
• 34:24
  the
• 34:24
  next
• 34:25
  moments
• 34:25
  of
• 34:26
  our
• 34:26
  reality.
• 34:27
  So
• 34:28
  ethical
• 34:29
  training
• 34:29
  is
• 34:30
  beautiful.
• 34:31
  I
• 34:31
  mean,
• 34:31
  I
• 34:31
  have
• 34:32
  a
• 34:32
  young
• 34:32
  son.
• 34:33
  I
• 34:34
  think
• 34:34
  about
• 34:34
  this
• 34:34
  all
• 34:35
  the
• 34:35
  time,
• 34:35
  about
• 34:35
  how
• 34:37
  what
• 34:37
  is
• 34:37
  developmentally
• 34:38
  appropriate
• 34:39
  in
• 34:39
  terms
• 34:39
  of
• 34:40
  how
• 34:40
  I
• 34:40
  teach
• 34:40
  them
• 34:40
  about
• 34:41
  ethics,
• 34:41
  how
• 34:41
  I
• 34:41
  teach
• 34:41
  him
• 34:42
  about
• 34:42
  wisdom,
• 34:42
  how
• 34:43
  I
• 34:43
  teach
• 34:43
  him
• 34:43
  about
• 34:43
  compassion.
• 34:44
  And
• 34:45
  when
• 34:45
  we're
• 34:46
  young
• 34:47
  and
• 34:47
  say
• 34:48
  before
• 34:48
  five,
• 34:49
  in
• 34:49
  many
• 34:49
  cultures,
• 34:50
  we
• 34:51
  see
• 34:51
  that
• 34:52
  we
• 34:52
  train
• 34:53
  our
• 34:53
  younger
• 34:54
  children
• 34:55
  to
• 34:55
  just
• 34:55
  be
• 34:55
  good
• 34:56
  to
• 34:56
  each
• 34:56
  other.
• 34:56
  Ethics
• 34:57
  starts
• 34:57
  with
• 34:58
  this,
• 34:58
  hopefully
• 34:59
  training.
• 35:00
  A
• 35:00
  lot
• 35:00
  of
• 35:00
  it
• 35:00
  has
• 35:00
  been
• 35:01
  washed
• 35:01
  out
• 35:01
  in
• 35:01
  our
• 35:01
  modern
• 35:02
  culture.
• 35:02
  Sadly,
• 35:03
  we
• 35:03
  don't
• 35:03
  have
• 35:03
  ethical
• 35:03
  training
• 35:04
  so
• 35:04
  much
• 35:04
  anymore.
• 35:05
  But
• 35:05
  of
• 35:06
  don't
• 35:06
  hurt,
• 35:07
  you
• 35:07
  know,
• 35:07
  don't
• 35:08
  lie,
• 35:08
  don't
• 35:08
  be
• 35:09
  violent,
• 35:09
  don't
• 35:10
  be
• 35:10
  mean.
• 35:10
  And
• 35:10
  when
• 35:11
  we're
• 35:11
  starting
• 35:11
  out
• 35:11
  with
• 35:12
  our
• 35:12
  ethical
• 35:12
  training,
• 35:12
  at
• 35:13
  first
• 35:13
  it's
• 35:13
  like,
• 35:13
  well,
• 35:14
  why,
• 35:15
  you
• 35:15
  know,
• 35:15
  do
• 35:16
  it
• 35:16
  because
• 35:17
  Santa
• 35:17
  might
• 35:18
  see
• 35:18
  you,
• 35:19
  and
• 35:19
  do
• 35:20
  it
• 35:20
  because
• 35:20
  God
• 35:20
  might
• 35:21
  see
• 35:21
  you.
• 35:21
  God's
• 35:21
  always
• 35:22
  watching.
• 35:22
  Santa's
• 35:23
  always
• 35:23
  watching.
• 35:23
  You
• 35:23
  need
• 35:24
  to
• 35:24
  be
• 35:24
  a
• 35:24
  good
• 35:24
  boy
• 35:24
  or
• 35:24
  a
• 35:25
  good
• 35:25
  girl,
• 35:26
  and
• 35:27
  that's
• 35:27
  why
• 35:27
  it's
• 35:28
  important
• 35:28
  that
• 35:28
  you
• 35:29
  do
• 35:29
  these
• 35:29
  things.
• 35:29
  And
• 35:30
  you
• 35:31
  know,
• 35:31
  that
• 35:31
  has
• 35:31
  its
• 35:31
  limitations,
• 35:33
  certainly.
• 35:34
  And
• 35:34
  yet
• 35:35
  we
• 35:36
  don't
• 35:36
  find
• 35:37
  much
• 35:38
  ethical
• 35:38
  training
• 35:39
  and
• 35:39
  the
• 35:39
  importance
• 35:39
  of
• 35:39
  ethical
• 35:40
  training
• 35:40
  in
• 35:41
  modernity.
• 35:42
  I
• 35:42
  didn't
• 35:42
  have
• 35:43
  a
• 35:43
  lot
• 35:43
  of
• 35:43
  it
• 35:43
  even
• 35:43
  growing
• 35:44
  up
• 35:44
  in
• 35:44
  the
• 35:45
  70s
• 35:45
  and
• 35:45
  80s
• 35:46
  in
• 35:46
  the
• 35:46
  Bay
• 35:46
  Area.
• 35:47
  And
• 35:48
  so
• 35:48
  I
• 35:48
  just
• 35:48
  want
• 35:48
  to
• 35:49
  acknowledge
• 35:49
  that
• 35:50
  a
• 35:50
  lot
• 35:50
  of
• 35:50
  that
• 35:51
  basic
• 35:51
  training
• 35:52
  of
• 35:52
  the
• 35:52
  Ten
• 35:52
  Commandments
• 35:53
  and
• 35:54
  do,
• 35:54
  you
• 35:54
  know,
• 35:55
  don't
• 35:55
  hurt
• 35:55
  yourself
• 35:56
  and
• 35:56
  others,
• 35:56
  don't
• 35:56
  be
• 35:57
  violent,
• 35:57
  don't
• 35:57
  lie,
• 35:58
  is
• 35:59
  something
• 35:59
  we
• 35:59
  need
• 35:59
  to
• 35:59
  look
• 35:59
  at
• 36:00
  as
• 36:00
  a
• 36:00
  culture
• 36:00
  and
• 36:01
  see
• 36:01
  where
• 36:02
  is
• 36:02
  it
• 36:02
  important
• 36:03
  and
• 36:03
  where
• 36:03
  have
• 36:04
  we
• 36:05
  maybe
• 36:06
  applied
• 36:06
  our
• 36:06
  postmodern
• 36:07
  ideology
• 36:09
  inappropriately
• 36:10
  at
• 36:10
  certain
• 36:10
  ages
• 36:11
  of
• 36:11
  our
• 36:11
  development?
• 36:12
  So
• 36:12
  it
• 36:13
  starts
• 36:13
  there
• 36:13
  with
• 36:14
  just
• 36:14
  do
• 36:14
  no
• 36:15
  harm,
• 36:15
  don't
• 36:15
  be
• 36:16
  violent,
• 36:16
  and
• 36:16
  don't
• 36:17
  hurt
• 36:17
  each
• 36:17
  other.
• 36:18
  But
• 36:18
  ethics
• 36:18
  is
• 36:18
  so
• 36:19
  much
• 36:19
  more
• 36:20
  profound
• 36:20
  and
• 36:21
  complex
• 36:21
  than
• 36:22
  that.
• 36:22
  As
• 36:22
  we
• 36:22
  know,
• 36:23
  as
• 36:23
  we
• 36:23
  evolve,
• 36:24
  our
• 36:25
  ethics
• 36:25
  becomes
• 36:27
  more
• 36:27
  subtle
• 36:28
  as
• 36:28
  we
• 36:28
  grow
• 36:28
  out
• 36:29
  of
• 36:29
  concrete
• 36:30
  or,
• 36:30
  you
• 36:30
  know,
• 36:31
  physical
• 36:31
  stages
• 36:32
  of
• 36:32
  development
• 36:32
  where
• 36:33
  we're
• 36:33
  just
• 36:33
  focused
• 36:33
  on
• 36:34
  what
• 36:34
  we
• 36:34
  can
• 36:34
  see
• 36:35
  as
• 36:35
  we
• 36:35
  evolve
• 36:36
  in
• 36:36
  our
• 36:37
  adult
• 36:37
  lifespan
• 36:38
  and
• 36:38
  we
• 36:38
  start
• 36:38
  to
• 36:38
  be
• 36:39
  able
• 36:39
  to
• 36:39
  look
• 36:40
  at
• 36:40
  our
• 36:40
  thoughts
• 36:41
  and
• 36:41
  look
• 36:41
  at
• 36:41
  our
• 36:41
  feelings
• 36:42
  and
• 36:42
  be
• 36:42
  aware
• 36:42
  of
• 36:43
  other
• 36:43
  people's
• 36:43
  thoughts
• 36:44
  and
• 36:44
  be
• 36:44
  aware
• 36:44
  of
• 36:45
  other
• 36:45
  people's
• 36:45
  feelings,
• 36:46
  then
• 36:47
  ethics
• 36:48
  becomes
• 36:48
  don't
• 36:48
  hurt
• 36:48
  people's
• 36:49
  feelings.
• 36:50
  Right?
• 36:50
  Ethics
• 36:51
  becomes
• 36:52
  more
• 36:53
  than
• 36:53
  just
• 36:53
  what's
• 36:54
  important
• 36:54
  to
• 36:54
  me
• 36:54
  or
• 36:55
  important
• 36:55
  to
• 36:55
  my
• 36:55
  family.
• 36:56
  It
• 36:56
  becomes
• 36:56
  what's
• 36:57
  important
• 36:57
  to,
• 36:58
  at
• 36:58
  first,
• 36:58
  people
• 36:59
  who
• 36:59
  are
• 36:59
  like
• 36:59
  me
• 37:00
  or
• 37:00
  think
• 37:00
  like
• 37:01
  me.
• 37:01
  But
• 37:01
  then
• 37:01
  it
• 37:01
  expands
• 37:02
  to
• 37:02
  people
• 37:03
  who
• 37:03
  don't
• 37:03
  think
• 37:03
  like
• 37:03
  me
• 37:04
  and
• 37:04
  are
• 37:04
  different
• 37:04
  from
• 37:05
  me.
• 37:05
  And
• 37:07
  that's
• 37:07
  important
• 37:08
  too.
• 37:08
  Your
• 37:09
  listeners
• 37:09
  are
• 37:09
  likely
• 37:10
  familiar
• 37:10
  with
• 37:10
  the
• 37:11
  world
• 37:11
  centric
• 37:12
  ideology.
• 37:13
  And
• 37:13
  our
• 37:14
  ethics
• 37:14
  expands
• 37:15
  as
• 37:15
  we
• 37:15
  evolve
• 37:15
  to
• 37:16
  include
• 37:16
  people
• 37:17
  who
• 37:17
  don't
• 37:17
  look
• 37:17
  like
• 37:17
  me
• 37:18
  and
• 37:18
  people
• 37:18
  who
• 37:18
  I
• 37:18
  can't
• 37:19
  even
• 37:19
  see,
• 37:19
  and
• 37:20
  people
• 37:20
  who
• 37:21
  live
• 37:21
  around
• 37:22
  the
• 37:22
  world
• 37:22
  and
• 37:23
  their
• 37:23
  happiness
• 37:24
  and
• 37:24
  lack
• 37:24
  of
• 37:25
  suffering
• 37:25
  and
• 37:27
  value
• 37:27
  of
• 37:28
  being
• 37:28
  a
• 37:28
  human
• 37:28
  is
• 37:29
  just
• 37:29
  as
• 37:29
  important
• 37:30
  to
• 37:30
  me.
• 37:30
  And
• 37:30
  this
• 37:30
  continues
• 37:31
  to
• 37:31
  expand.
• 37:33
  And
• 37:33
  then
• 37:33
  it
• 37:33
  keeps
• 37:34
  going.
• 37:34
  You
• 37:34
  know,
• 37:35
  our
• 37:35
  ethics
• 37:36
  shifts
• 37:37
  as
• 37:38
  connected
• 37:38
  to
• 37:39
  what
• 37:39
  we've
• 37:39
  talked
• 37:40
  about
• 37:40
  before,
• 37:40
  our
• 37:40
  realization
• 37:41
  and
• 37:41
  our
• 37:42
  wisdom
• 37:42
  expands
• 37:43
  where
• 37:44
  we
• 37:44
  realize
• 37:45
  the
• 37:45
  importance
• 37:46
  of
• 37:47
  living
• 37:48
  an
• 37:48
  ethical
• 37:48
  way
• 37:48
  of
• 37:48
  life
• 37:49
  just
• 37:49
  for
• 37:49
  the
• 37:50
  beginning
• 37:50
  of
• 37:50
  our
• 37:50
  own
• 37:51
  happiness,
• 37:52
  that
• 37:53
  there
• 37:53
  is
• 37:53
  a
• 37:53
  connection
• 37:54
  to
• 37:55
  when
• 37:55
  I
• 37:56
  have
• 37:56
  not
• 37:57
  worked
• 37:57
  on
• 37:57
  my
• 37:58
  own
• 37:58
  reactions
• 37:59
  or
• 38:00
  I've
• 38:00
  not
• 38:00
  worked
• 38:00
  on
• 38:01
  my
• 38:01
  own
• 38:01
  shadow
• 38:02
  issues
• 38:03
  and
• 38:03
  my
• 38:03
  own
• 38:04
  happiness.
• 38:04
  And
• 38:04
  we
• 38:05
  see
• 38:05
  the
• 38:06
  responsibility
• 38:06
  we
• 38:07
  have
• 38:07
  to
• 38:07
  even
• 38:07
  be
• 38:08
  happy
• 38:08
  and
• 38:09
  to
• 38:09
  be
• 38:10
  a
• 38:10
  light
• 38:10
  in
• 38:11
  the
• 38:11
  world.
• 38:12
  Later,
• 38:13
  as
• 38:13
  our
• 38:13
  capacities
• 38:14
  expand,
• 38:14
  our
• 38:15
  ethics
• 38:16
  really
• 38:16
  becomes
• 38:17
  much
• 38:17
  more
• 38:17
  about
• 38:18
  what
• 38:18
  we
• 38:18
  might
• 38:19
  call
• 38:19
  the
• 38:19
  four
• 38:20
  immeasurables
• 38:21
  or
• 38:22
  the
• 38:22
  four
• 38:22
  infinite
• 38:23
  thoughts.
• 38:24
  Sometimes
• 38:24
  it's
• 38:24
  translated
• 38:26
  of
• 38:26
  deep
• 38:27
  infinite
• 38:27
  compassion
• 38:29
  and
• 38:29
  love
• 38:31
  and
• 38:31
  equanimity
• 38:33
  and
• 38:34
  joy
• 38:36
  and
• 38:37
  thinking
• 38:38
  of
• 38:38
  the
• 38:38
  future.
• 38:39
  Right.
• 38:40
  Thinking
• 38:40
  of
• 38:40
  is
• 38:41
  what
• 38:41
  we're
• 38:41
  doing
• 38:42
  going
• 38:42
  to
• 38:42
  do
• 38:42
  no
• 38:43
  harm
• 38:43
  in
• 38:43
  the
• 38:43
  moment
• 38:44
  and
• 38:44
  going
• 38:45
  to
• 38:45
  impact
• 38:46
  the
• 38:46
  future
• 38:47
  in
• 38:47
  a
• 38:48
  way
• 38:48
  that's
• 38:48
  going
• 38:48
  to
• 38:48
  be
• 38:49
  helpful
• 38:49
  for
• 38:50
  us.
• 38:51
  Yeah,
• 38:51
  so.
• 38:52
  Yeah.
• 38:52
  So
• 38:53
  pulling,
• 38:53
  just
• 38:54
  pointing
• 38:54
  to
• 38:54
  some
• 38:54
  of
• 38:54
  the
• 38:55
  things
• 38:55
  you've
• 38:56
  pointed
• 38:56
  to
• 38:56
  that
• 38:56
  I
• 38:57
  can
• 38:57
  believe.
• 38:57
  You've
• 38:58
  spoken
• 38:58
  as
• 38:59
  ethics
• 38:59
  as
• 38:59
  coming
• 39:00
  out
• 39:00
  of
• 39:01
  being
• 39:01
  an
• 39:01
  expression
• 39:02
  of
• 39:03
  an
• 39:03
  insight
• 39:04
  into
• 39:04
  the.
• 39:05
  Into
• 39:05
  reality,
• 39:06
  the
• 39:06
  fundamental
• 39:07
  nature
• 39:07
  of
• 39:08
  our
• 39:08
  nature
• 39:09
  of
• 39:09
  nature
• 39:09
  itself.
• 39:11
  And
• 39:11
  you've
• 39:11
  implied
• 39:12
  that
• 39:12
  ethics
• 39:13
  is
• 39:14
  a
• 39:14
  way
• 39:14
  of
• 39:14
  living
• 39:15
  that
• 39:15
  makes
• 39:15
  sense
• 39:16
  when
• 39:16
  one
• 39:16
  sees
• 39:17
  deeply
• 39:18
  so
• 39:18
  that
• 39:19
  you've
• 39:19
  also
• 39:20
  pointed
• 39:20
  to
• 39:21
  the
• 39:21
  fact
• 39:21
  that
• 39:21
  something
• 39:22
  not
• 39:22
  so
• 39:22
  appreciated
• 39:23
  in
• 39:23
  our
• 39:23
  culture
• 39:23
  that
• 39:24
  ethics
• 39:25
  develops,
• 39:25
  matures
• 39:26
  or
• 39:26
  can
• 39:26
  develop
• 39:27
  and
• 39:27
  mature.
• 39:28
  And
• 39:28
  you've
• 39:28
  particularly
• 39:29
  pointed
• 39:29
  to
• 39:29
  an
• 39:30
  expanding
• 39:30
  scope
• 39:31
  of
• 39:31
  care
• 39:32
  and
• 39:32
  concern
• 39:33
  as
• 39:34
  one
• 39:34
  of
• 39:34
  the
• 39:34
  hallmarks
• 39:35
  of
• 39:35
  that
• 39:36
  development.
• 39:37
  You've
• 39:37
  also
• 39:38
  spoken
• 39:38
  to
• 39:40
  a
• 39:40
  recognition
• 39:41
  that
• 39:43
  ethics
• 39:44
  is
• 39:44
  not
• 39:44
  separate
• 39:45
  from
• 39:45
  our
• 39:45
  own
• 39:45
  well
• 39:46
  being.
• 39:46
  And
• 39:46
  I
• 39:46
  think
• 39:47
  our
• 39:47
  culture
• 39:47
  has
• 39:47
  this
• 39:48
  tragic
• 39:49
  misunderstanding
• 39:50
  of
• 39:51
  ethics
• 39:51
  as
• 39:52
  self
• 39:52
  sacrifice.
• 39:53
  Whereas
• 39:53
  actually
• 39:54
  what
• 39:54
  you're
• 39:55
  pointing
• 39:55
  to
• 39:55
  is
• 39:55
  that
• 39:55
  ethics
• 39:56
  can
• 39:56
  be
• 39:56
  enlightened
• 39:57
  self
• 39:57
  interest.
• 40:00
  Yes,
• 40:01
  absolutely.
• 40:01
  And
• 40:02
  you
• 40:02
  know
• 40:03
  the.
• 40:04
  I'm
• 40:04
  a
• 40:05
  Vajrayana
• 40:05
  practitioner
• 40:06
  and
• 40:06
  Vajrayana
• 40:07
  is
• 40:08
  just
• 40:08
  a
• 40:08
  school
• 40:09
  of
• 40:10
  spiritual
• 40:10
  study
• 40:11
  and
• 40:11
  education
• 40:12
  that
• 40:13
  takes
• 40:13
  traditionally
• 40:14
  many
• 40:14
  years
• 40:14
  of
• 40:15
  preparation
• 40:16
  to
• 40:16
  get
• 40:16
  into.
• 40:17
  And
• 40:17
  I
• 40:17
  can
• 40:18
  speak
• 40:18
  about
• 40:18
  it
• 40:18
  generally
• 40:19
  without
• 40:19
  not
• 40:20
  specifically,
• 40:21
  but
• 40:21
  ethics
• 40:22
  in
• 40:22
  this
• 40:25
  more
• 40:25
  later.
• 40:27
  Spiritual
• 40:28
  evolution
• 40:31
  really
• 40:32
  has
• 40:32
  become
• 40:33
  too
• 40:33
  for
• 40:33
  me
• 40:34
  and
• 40:34
  in
• 40:34
  the
• 40:34
  school
• 40:35
  I
• 40:35
  practice
• 40:35
  with
• 40:35
  and
• 40:36
  in
• 40:36
  the
• 40:36
  community
• 40:36
  I
• 40:36
  practice
• 40:36
  with
• 40:37
  our
• 40:37
  ethics
• 40:37
  there
• 40:39
  it's
• 40:39
  so
• 40:39
  dear
• 40:39
  to
• 40:39
  my
• 40:40
  heart
• 40:40
  so
• 40:40
  I
• 40:40
  want
• 40:40
  to
• 40:40
  share
• 40:40
  it
• 40:41
  with
• 40:41
  you
• 40:41
  has
• 40:42
  become.
• 40:42
  Yes,
• 40:42
  it's
• 40:42
  do
• 40:43
  no
• 40:43
  harm,
• 40:43
  don't
• 40:43
  lie,
• 40:44
  learn,
• 40:44
  understand
• 40:45
  and
• 40:45
  apply
• 40:46
  modern
• 40:46
  psychological
• 40:47
  concepts
• 40:48
  of
• 40:48
  how
• 40:49
  to
• 40:50
  attune
• 40:51
  to
• 40:52
  our
• 40:52
  nervous
• 40:52
  systems,
• 40:53
  how
• 40:53
  to
• 40:54
  be
• 40:54
  trauma
• 40:54
  aware,
• 40:55
  how
• 40:56
  to
• 40:56
  have
• 40:56
  repair.
• 40:57
  These
• 40:57
  are
• 40:58
  conversations
• 40:58
  that
• 40:58
  you're
• 40:59
  not
• 40:59
  going
• 40:59
  to
• 40:59
  find
• 41:00
  and
• 41:00
  pointing
• 41:00
  out
• 41:01
  instructions
• 41:01
  you're
• 41:01
  not
• 41:01
  going
• 41:01
  to
• 41:01
  find
• 41:02
  in
• 41:02
  the
• 41:02
  1500
• 41:03
  year
• 41:03
  old
• 41:03
  text
• 41:04
  I
• 41:04
  was
• 41:04
  teaching
• 41:04
  last
• 41:05
  weekend.
• 41:05
  We
• 41:06
  always
• 41:06
  apply
• 41:06
  modernity
• 41:07
  as
• 41:07
  well.
• 41:08
  But
• 41:08
  the
• 41:08
  essence
• 41:09
  of
• 41:09
  Vajrayana
• 41:10
  and
• 41:12
  the
• 41:12
  gift
• 41:12
  we
• 41:13
  can
• 41:13
  give
• 41:13
  humanity
• 41:14
  in
• 41:14
  terms
• 41:14
  of
• 41:14
  our
• 41:14
  ethical
• 41:15
  life
• 41:16
  is
• 41:16
  to
• 41:16
  each
• 41:16
  one
• 41:17
  of
• 41:17
  us
• 41:17
  step
• 41:17
  into
• 41:18
  our
• 41:18
  own
• 41:19
  divine
• 41:19
  light,
• 41:20
  let's
• 41:20
  say.
• 41:21
  And
• 41:21
  that's
• 41:21
  what
• 41:21
  the
• 41:22
  clear
• 41:22
  light
• 41:22
  is,
• 41:22
  John,
• 41:23
  you
• 41:23
  know,
• 41:23
  step
• 41:24
  into
• 41:24
  our
• 41:24
  own
• 41:26
  nature
• 41:28
  and
• 41:28
  gifts
• 41:29
  and
• 41:30
  knowing
• 41:31
  whatever
• 41:31
  that
• 41:31
  way
• 41:32
  that
• 41:32
  is
• 41:32
  for
• 41:32
  us
• 41:33
  to
• 41:33
  be,
• 41:35
  you
• 41:35
  know,
• 41:36
  this
• 41:36
  divine
• 41:36
  light
• 41:37
  in
• 41:37
  whatever
• 41:37
  way
• 41:37
  is
• 41:38
  appropriate
• 41:38
  in
• 41:38
  our
• 41:39
  lifestyle,
• 41:39
  whether
• 41:39
  it's
• 41:39
  being
• 41:40
  kind
• 41:40
  to
• 41:40
  our
• 41:40
  neighbors
• 41:41
  or
• 41:41
  publishing
• 41:42
  an
• 41:42
  extraordinary
• 41:43
  book
• 41:43
  that
• 41:43
  helps,
• 41:45
  you
• 41:45
  know,
• 41:45
  thousands
• 41:46
  of
• 41:46
  people
• 41:47
  that
• 41:47
  in
• 41:48
  the
• 41:48
  gifts
• 41:49
  of
• 41:49
  Buddhism
• 41:49
  and
• 41:49
  Vajrayana,
• 41:50
  you
• 41:51
  know,
• 41:51
  stepping
• 41:51
  into
• 41:51
  our
• 41:52
  divinity,
• 41:53
  ourselves
• 41:54
  as
• 41:54
  in
• 41:55
  our
• 41:55
  gifts
• 41:55
  and
• 41:55
  our
• 41:55
  creativity
• 41:56
  is
• 41:56
  really
• 41:57
  one
• 41:57
  of
• 41:57
  the
• 41:57
  most
• 41:57
  profound
• 41:58
  ethical
• 41:58
  things
• 41:58
  we
• 41:59
  can
• 41:59
  do
• 41:59
  as
• 41:59
  well.
• 42:00
  And
• 42:00
  I
• 42:00
  think
• 42:00
  that's
• 42:01
  where
• 42:01
  the
• 42:01
  answer
• 42:02
  to
• 42:02
  my
• 42:02
  question
• 42:02
  is.
• 42:02
  Where
• 42:03
  do
• 42:03
  these
• 42:03
  ethics
• 42:04
  from
• 42:04
  the
• 42:05
  realization
• 42:05
  of
• 42:05
  clear
• 42:06
  light,
• 42:06
  our
• 42:06
  true
• 42:06
  nature
• 42:06
  that
• 42:07
  you're
• 42:07
  talking
• 42:07
  about
• 42:07
  right
• 42:08
  now,
• 42:08
  that
• 42:09
  ethics
• 42:10
  just
• 42:11
  comes
• 42:12
  from
• 42:12
  that
• 42:12
  place
• 42:13
  because.
• 42:15
  Because
• 42:15
  that's
• 42:16
  the
• 42:16
  way
• 42:16
  it
• 42:16
  is.
• 42:17
  Is
• 42:18
  that.
• 42:18
  Is
• 42:18
  that
• 42:18
  correct?
• 42:19
  Yes.
• 42:20
  And
• 42:21
  the
• 42:22
  gifts
• 42:23
  of
• 42:23
  Buddhist
• 42:23
  I
• 42:24
  want
• 42:24
  to
• 42:24
  impart
• 42:24
  to.
• 42:25
  It's
• 42:26
  mechanistic.
• 42:27
  It's
• 42:27
  this
• 42:28
  understanding
• 42:28
  that
• 42:29
  what
• 42:29
  I
• 42:29
  put
• 42:29
  out
• 42:30
  there
• 42:31
  literally
• 42:32
  is
• 42:32
  being
• 42:33
  ref.
• 42:33
  I'm
• 42:34
  reflecting
• 42:34
  it
• 42:35
  in
• 42:35
  the
• 42:35
  mirror
• 42:35
  of
• 42:35
  my
• 42:35
  mind.
• 42:35
  So,
• 42:35
  for
• 42:36
  example,
• 42:37
  I
• 42:37
  can
• 42:37
  give
• 42:37
  you
• 42:37
  a
• 42:38
  cup
• 42:38
  of
• 42:38
  coffee,
• 42:39
  right?
• 42:40
  So
• 42:40
  I've
• 42:40
  got
• 42:40
  a
• 42:41
  nice
• 42:41
  cup
• 42:41
  of
• 42:41
  coffee
• 42:41
  here,
• 42:42
  right?
• 42:42
  And
• 42:42
  I
• 42:43
  can.
• 42:43
  I
• 42:43
  really
• 42:43
  do,
• 42:44
  actually.
• 42:44
  I
• 42:44
  wish
• 42:45
  I
• 42:45
  could
• 42:45
  reach
• 42:45
  through
• 42:46
  the
• 42:46
  screen
• 42:46
  and
• 42:46
  give
• 42:46
  it
• 42:46
  to
• 42:46
  you.
• 42:47
  But
• 42:47
  for
• 42:47
  your
• 42:47
  listeners,
• 42:48
  imagine
• 42:48
  I
• 42:48
  have
• 42:49
  a
• 42:49
  cup
• 42:49
  of
• 42:49
  coffee
• 42:49
  here
• 42:50
  and
• 42:50
  I
• 42:51
  can
• 42:51
  give
• 42:51
  you
• 42:51
  a
• 42:51
  cup
• 42:52
  of
• 42:52
  coffee.
• 42:53
  And
• 42:53
  if
• 42:53
  you
• 42:53
  like
• 42:54
  coffee,
• 42:55
  right?
• 42:55
  That's
• 42:55
  a
• 42:55
  nice
• 42:56
  thing
• 42:56
  to
• 42:56
  do.
• 42:57
  And
• 42:58
  the
• 42:58
  theory
• 42:59
  is
• 42:59
  karmic
• 43:00
  theory
• 43:00
  and
• 43:00
  Tibetan
• 43:01
  Buddhist
• 43:01
  theory
• 43:02
  and
• 43:02
  even
• 43:02
  maybe
• 43:03
  construct
• 43:03
  activation
• 43:04
  theory,
• 43:04
  even
• 43:04
  might
• 43:05
  say,
• 43:05
  I'm
• 43:05
  reaching
• 43:06
  there
• 43:06
  a
• 43:06
  little
• 43:06
  bit,
• 43:07
  okay?
• 43:07
  So
• 43:07
  that
• 43:08
  means
• 43:08
  I'm
• 43:09
  going
• 43:09
  to
• 43:09
  get.
• 43:09
  If
• 43:10
  I
• 43:10
  do
• 43:10
  this
• 43:10
  to
• 43:10
  you,
• 43:11
  do
• 43:11
  unto
• 43:11
  others
• 43:11
  as
• 43:12
  you
• 43:12
  would
• 43:12
  have
• 43:12
  them
• 43:12
  do
• 43:12
  unto
• 43:13
  you,
• 43:13
  somehow
• 43:13
  that's
• 43:14
  going
• 43:14
  to
• 43:14
  create
• 43:14
  a
• 43:15
  future
• 43:15
  where
• 43:17
  a
• 43:17
  traditional
• 43:17
  Buddhist
• 43:18
  might
• 43:18
  say,
• 43:18
  you're
• 43:18
  going
• 43:19
  to
• 43:19
  have
• 43:19
  somebody
• 43:19
  give
• 43:19
  you
• 43:20
  a
• 43:20
  nice
• 43:20
  thing
• 43:20
  that
• 43:20
  you
• 43:20
  need
• 43:21
  sometime
• 43:21
  in
• 43:22
  the
• 43:22
  future.
• 43:22
  Okay?
• 43:23
  That's
• 43:23
  kind
• 43:23
  of
• 43:23
  a
• 43:24
  kindergarten
• 43:24
  way
• 43:25
  to
• 43:25
  think
• 43:25
  about
• 43:25
  Karma.
• 43:26
  But
• 43:26
  it's
• 43:26
  not
• 43:26
  incorrect.
• 43:27
  It's
• 43:27
  not
• 43:27
  incorrect.
• 43:28
  You
• 43:28
  do
• 43:28
  this,
• 43:29
  good
• 43:29
  things
• 43:29
  are
• 43:29
  going
• 43:30
  to
• 43:30
  come
• 43:30
  back
• 43:30
  to
• 43:30
  you.
• 43:30
  Do
• 43:31
  unto
• 43:31
  others
• 43:31
  as
• 43:31
  you
• 43:31
  would
• 43:32
  have
• 43:32
  them
• 43:32
  do
• 43:32
  unto
• 43:32
  you
• 43:35
  with
• 43:35
  Vajrayana
• 43:36
  ethics,
• 43:37
  however,
• 43:37
  and
• 43:38
  that's
• 43:38
  all
• 43:38
  good
• 43:38
  and
• 43:38
  true,
• 43:39
  right?
• 43:39
  And
• 43:39
  there's
• 43:39
  actually
• 43:40
  been
• 43:40
  some
• 43:40
  interesting
• 43:41
  studies
• 43:41
  done
• 43:41
  on
• 43:41
  Karma
• 43:42
  as
• 43:42
  well.
• 43:43
  But
• 43:44
  Vajrayana
• 43:45
  is
• 43:46
  different.
• 43:48
  Vajrayana
• 43:49
  invites
• 43:50
  us
• 43:50
  to
• 43:51
  first
• 43:53
  think
• 43:53
  about
• 43:53
  who's
• 43:54
  doing
• 43:54
  the
• 43:54
  giving
• 43:55
  first.
• 43:55
  Kimberly.
• 43:56
  To
• 43:56
  feel
• 43:56
  into
• 43:57
  my
• 43:57
  most
• 43:58
  ultimate
• 43:58
  nature,
• 43:59
  right?
• 44:00
  Kimberly.
• 44:00
  The
• 44:01
  one
• 44:01
  I
• 44:01
  am
• 44:02
  the
• 44:02
  one
• 44:02
  who
• 44:03
  sees.
• 44:03
  Kimberly.
• 44:04
  I
• 44:04
  am
• 44:04
  the
• 44:04
  one
• 44:04
  who
• 44:05
  is
• 44:06
  timeless,
• 44:07
  boundless,
• 44:09
  radiant,
• 44:10
  luminous
• 44:10
  awareness
• 44:11
  that
• 44:12
  has
• 44:12
  never
• 44:12
  died
• 44:12
  and
• 44:12
  was
• 44:13
  never
• 44:13
  born.
• 44:15
  I
• 44:15
  look
• 44:15
  at
• 44:15
  you
• 44:16
  While
• 44:16
  being
• 44:16
  Kimberly
• 44:17
  too,
• 44:17
  I'm
• 44:17
  also
• 44:17
  Kimberly.
• 44:18
  Right.
• 44:19
  I
• 44:19
  look
• 44:19
  at
• 44:20
  you,
• 44:20
  the
• 44:21
  receiver
• 44:21
  of
• 44:21
  the
• 44:21
  coffee,
• 44:22
  I
• 44:22
  see
• 44:22
  your
• 44:23
  divinity
• 44:24
  in
• 44:24
  that
• 44:24
  way.
• 44:24
  I
• 44:24
  look
• 44:25
  at
• 44:25
  the
• 44:25
  coffee,
• 44:25
  I'm
• 44:25
  grateful,
• 44:26
  I'm
• 44:26
  appreciative
• 44:27
  of
• 44:27
  this
• 44:27
  luscious
• 44:28
  thing.
• 44:28
  And
• 44:29
  then
• 44:29
  I
• 44:29
  do
• 44:29
  the
• 44:29
  act
• 44:31
  that's
• 44:31
  going
• 44:31
  to
• 44:32
  create
• 44:32
  a
• 44:32
  very
• 44:32
  different
• 44:33
  future.
• 44:34
  Right.
• 44:34
  A
• 44:34
  very
• 44:34
  different
• 44:35
  outcome
• 44:36
  for
• 44:36
  the
• 44:36
  future
• 44:37
  is
• 44:38
  the
• 44:38
  theory
• 44:39
  that
• 44:39
  I
• 44:39
  invite
• 44:39
  you
• 44:40
  all
• 44:40
  to
• 44:40
  experiment
• 44:41
  with.
• 44:41
  And
• 44:42
  so
• 44:42
  we're
• 44:43
  actively
• 44:44
  co
• 44:44
  creating
• 44:45
  this
• 44:46
  reality
• 44:47
  through
• 44:48
  these
• 44:48
  actions.
• 44:49
  Right.
• 44:49
  For
• 44:50
  our
• 44:50
  future.
• 44:52
  There's
• 44:53
  a
• 44:53
  proverb
• 44:53
  in
• 44:53
  the
• 44:54
  Bible
• 44:54
  that
• 44:54
  says,
• 44:55
  cast
• 44:55
  your
• 44:55
  bread
• 44:56
  upon
• 44:56
  the
• 44:56
  waters
• 44:57
  or
• 44:57
  in
• 44:57
  many
• 44:58
  years
• 44:58
  it
• 44:58
  will
• 44:58
  come
• 44:58
  back
• 44:59
  to
• 44:59
  you.
• 45:00
  I
• 45:00
  mean,
• 45:00
  that's.
• 45:00
  That's
• 45:01
  pretty
• 45:01
  ancient
• 45:02
  Jewish
• 45:03
  karma
• 45:04
  statement
• 45:04
  there,
• 45:04
  isn't
• 45:05
  it?
• 45:05
  It's
• 45:05
  beautiful.
• 45:05
  I
• 45:05
  love
• 45:06
  it.
• 45:06
  I
• 45:06
  love
• 45:06
  it.
• 45:07
  Yeah.
• 45:08
  Stay
• 45:08
  tuned
• 45:09
  to
• 45:09
  part
• 45:09
  two
• 45:09
  of
• 45:10
  our
• 45:10
  conversation
• 45:10
  with
• 45:11
  this
• 45:11
  amazing
• 45:11
  human
• 45:12
  being,
• 45:12
  Kimberly
• 45:13
  Lafferty,
• 45:14
  who
• 45:14
  is,
• 45:14
  by
• 45:14
  the
• 45:14
  way,
• 45:14
  one
• 45:15
  of
• 45:15
  the
• 45:15
  first
• 45:15
  ever
• 45:16
  female
• 45:16
  llamas,
• 45:17
  Buddhist
• 45:17
  teachers
• 45:17
  of
• 45:17
  her
• 45:18
  lineage
• 45:18
  in
• 45:18
  the
• 45:19
  United
• 45:19
  States.
• 45:20
  Thank
• 45:20
  you
• 45:20
  very
• 45:20
  much
• 45:21
  for
• 45:21
  being
• 45:21
  a
• 45:21
  part
• 45:22
  of
• 45:22
  this
• 45:22
  conversation.
• 45:23
  We
• 45:23
  hope
• 45:23
  that
• 45:24
  you
• 45:24
  were
• 45:24
  moved,
• 45:24
  as
• 45:25
  we
• 45:25
  are
• 45:25
  moved,
• 45:25
  being
• 45:26
  part
• 45:26
  of
• 45:26
  it
• 45:26
  ourselves.
• 45:27
  We'd
• 45:27
  also
• 45:28
  like
• 45:28
  to
• 45:28
  say
• 45:28
  that
• 45:28
  this
• 45:29
  is
• 45:29
  being
• 45:29
  funded
• 45:30
  by
• 45:30
  Roger
• 45:30
  and
• 45:31
  myself.
• 45:31
  It
• 45:31
  comes
• 45:31
  out
• 45:31
  of
• 45:31
  our
• 45:32
  pockets.
• 45:32
  So
• 45:32
  if
• 45:32
  you
• 45:32
  would
• 45:33
  like
• 45:33
  to
• 45:33
  help
• 45:33
  us
• 45:34
  to
• 45:34
  mainly
• 45:35
  to
• 45:35
  get
• 45:35
  this
• 45:35
  podcast
• 45:36
  out
• 45:36
  to
• 45:36
  more
• 45:36
  people
• 45:37
  because
• 45:37
  the
• 45:37
  bigger
• 45:38
  audience
• 45:38
  have
• 45:38
  which
• 45:38
  is
• 45:38
  steadily
• 45:39
  growing,
• 45:39
  but
• 45:39
  the
• 45:40
  more
• 45:40
  people
• 45:40
  we
• 45:40
  can
• 45:40
  reach
• 45:41
  and
• 45:41
  the
• 45:41
  more
• 45:41
  marketing
• 45:41
  we
• 45:42
  can
• 45:42
  do,
• 45:42
  the
• 45:42
  more
• 45:43
  positive
• 45:43
  effect
• 45:43
  we
• 45:44
  can
• 45:44
  have
• 45:44
  on
• 45:44
  the
• 45:44
  world.
• 45:45
  So
• 45:45
  we've
• 45:45
  done
• 45:45
  that
• 45:45
  a
• 45:46
  couple
• 45:46
  of
• 45:46
  ways,
• 45:46
  but
• 45:46
  we'd
• 45:46
  like
• 45:47
  you
• 45:47
  to
• 45:47
  buy
• 45:47
  us
• 45:47
  a
• 45:48
  cup
• 45:48
  of
• 45:48
  coffee.
• 45:48
  Very
• 45:49
  simple.
• 45:49
  And
• 45:49
  I
• 45:49
  do
• 45:49
  that
• 45:50
  with
• 45:50
  podcasts
• 45:51
  that
• 45:51
  I
• 45:51
  support
• 45:52
  and
• 45:52
  I
• 45:52
  find
• 45:53
  it's
• 45:53
  very
• 45:53
  satisfying.
• 45:54
  So
• 45:54
  thank
• 45:54
  you
• 45:55
  for
• 45:55
  your
• 45:55
  help,
• 45:55
  thank
• 45:56
  you
• 45:56
  for
• 45:56
  your
• 45:56
  presence
• 45:56
  and
• 45:57
  thank
• 45:57
  you
• 45:57
  for
• 45:57
  all
• 45:58
  you
• 45:58
  are
• 45:58
  and
• 45:58
  all
• 45:58
  you
• 45:59
  do.
• 45:59
  We
• 45:59
  love
• 45:59
  you.
• 46:14
  Sa.