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Sharri | 4 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why.
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Speaker 2: On Sky News This is.
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Speaker 3: Sharry Good Evening, Opposition leader Susan Lee tonight calls on
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Speaker 3: the Albanese government to ban ISIS brides from returning home
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Speaker 3: to Australia Our exclusive In a moment, the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: continues to protect his former flatmate Daniel Andrews after he
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Speaker 3: appeared alongside Putin and Kim John Ung in China.
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Speaker 4: And exactly where will the shark.
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Speaker 3: Nets be removed at Sydney's most popular eastern beaches.
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Speaker 4: Well, I'll ask the local mayor who's on the show
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Speaker 4: this evening.
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Speaker 3: But first tonight, the Prime Minister was forced to admit
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Speaker 3: today that ISIS brides are returning to Australia. He says,
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Speaker 3: because it's unsafe for them in Syria. He tried to
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Speaker 3: worm his way out of allegations that he'd misled Parliament
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Speaker 3: over this very issue. Yesterday, Albaneze implied ISIS brides were
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Speaker 3: not coming to Australia, he labeled reports inaccurate. But facing
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Speaker 3: accusations he'd misled the Parliament today, he tried to spin
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Speaker 3: his denial to mean that the government wasn't providing assistance
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Speaker 3: to ISIS families.
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Speaker 5: Prominence to the New South Wales Police have publicly confirmed
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Speaker 5: they are working with the Commonwealth on the return of
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Speaker 5: isis brides to Australia. Prom Minister, are you calling the
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Speaker 5: new South Wales Police Deputy Commissioner David Hudson Elia.
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Speaker 6: The questions that were asked yesterday went to went to
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Speaker 6: whether the Australian government was giving support to this cohort.
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Speaker 6: I confirmed that the Australian government is not providing assistance
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Speaker 6: to this cohort.
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Speaker 3: And that's a claim that's highly questionable practically, it can't
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Speaker 3: possibly be true. But then Albineezy seemed to confirm that
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Speaker 3: the isis brides would be returning, justifying it by saying
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Speaker 3: how unsafe it was for them in Syria. Never mind
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Speaker 3: that radicalized individuals might pose a safety risk to Australia.
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Speaker 6: Syria is an increasingly unstable region. Our security as well
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Speaker 6: as our intelligence agen you see, you would expect, you
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Speaker 6: would expect, I will continue to work.
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Speaker 7: Be sure they've prepared for so we need ASTI.
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Speaker 6: Who comes home long May. The Opposition continued to get
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Speaker 6: their questions from Sky after dark.
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Speaker 3: Of course he has to have a crack at Sky
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Speaker 3: News because we actually hold.
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Speaker 4: Him to account through our journalism.
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Speaker 3: But these aren't just any Australian citizens, as you heard
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Speaker 3: ALBINIZI there try to claim these are exceptional circumstances. These
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Speaker 3: are the family members of death cult members who decapitated
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Speaker 3: Western journalists and Christians for theater. So alban easy I
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Speaker 3: won't deal with the question directly about the return of
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Speaker 3: ISIS brides, even though there is significant community concern about
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Speaker 3: this and he does.
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Speaker 4: Need to address it clearly.
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Speaker 3: The ISIS families will need many forms of government assistance
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Speaker 3: to enter Australia. The children cannot return without birth certificates
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Speaker 3: and travel documents including passports, and some of the children
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Speaker 3: were born in Syria, so they would need to apply
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Speaker 3: through Tony Burke's Home Affairs Department, also defact for citizenship
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Speaker 3: by descent and then.
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Speaker 4: Apply for a passport.
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Speaker 3: So this is the sort of assistance the Albanezy government
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Speaker 3: would be providing. Now, Coalition senators try to ask questions
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Speaker 3: around this very issue today.
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Speaker 8: Will theman is to be clear and honest with the
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Speaker 8: Australian people and confirm whether individuals associated or formally associated
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Speaker 8: with ISIS are returning to Australia or have returned to Australia.
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Speaker 8: In recent months, yes.
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Speaker 9: Or not, your Prime Minister has it addressed this issue,
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Speaker 9: and of course the Foreign Minister yesterday did arrest the
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Speaker 9: issue extensively.
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Speaker 10: Is any government department involved in the issuing of birth
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Speaker 10: certificates or travel documents to children born overseas to parents
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Speaker 10: who are in Australian citizens and associates of ISIS.
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Speaker 11: The situation in Syria is becoming increasingly unstable. Our security
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Speaker 11: agencies have been and continue to monitor the situation to
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Speaker 11: ensure they are prepared for any Australian from this cohort
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Speaker 11: returning home. And again I can repeat what Senator Farrell
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Speaker 11: has said, which is the Australian government is not providing
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Speaker 11: assistance and is not repatriating individuals in Syrian IDP camps.
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Speaker 3: It seems like the government is being overly evasive because
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Speaker 3: it is a decision they have made to allow the
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Speaker 3: ISIS brides into the country and they should be upfront
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Speaker 3: about it and answer questions about whether or not there
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Speaker 3: are national security concerns, whether any individuals are on a
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Speaker 3: terror watch list, and if any are still radicalized. We
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Speaker 3: also need to know what de radicalization programs, if any,
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Speaker 3: have been implemented in the camps in Syria, and will
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Speaker 3: there be further deradicalization programs run in Sydney and Melbourne?
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Speaker 4: And who will fund them?
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Speaker 3: And how much will all of the repatriation and police
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Speaker 3: monitoring cost taxpayers? But the Albanese government refuses to engage
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Speaker 3: with any of these serious national security questions, and Albaneze
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Speaker 3: claimed in Parliament yesterday that Leah Mende's front page report
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Speaker 3: in The Australian suggesting ISIS brides were returning home was incorrect.
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Speaker 3: He wouldn't engage at all with the issue.
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Speaker 4: Have a look.
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Speaker 1: I refer to reports in the Australian that government officials
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Speaker 1: are helping to bring ISIS terrorist brides to Australia. What
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Speaker 1: actions has your government taken to guarantee the safety of
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Speaker 1: Australians if these people return?
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Speaker 6: Call to the Prime Minister those reports are not accurate.
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Speaker 12: He is the Prime Minister aware of any info that
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Speaker 12: suggests ISIS brides are seeking to return to Australia and
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Speaker 12: is your government making preparations to receive them?
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Speaker 2: The call to the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 6: Are a ferre to my previous anta.
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Speaker 3: But then last night on this program we revealed that
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Speaker 3: top police commissioners confirmed they were in negotiations with the
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Speaker 3: Commonwealth to repatriate the ISIS brides. New South Wales Acting
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Speaker 3: Police Chief Commissioner Peter Thurtell and Deputy Commissioner Dave Hudson
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Speaker 3: said they were aware the Isis brides were set to
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Speaker 3: return to Australia from Syria.
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Speaker 13: Commissioner, We've heard and most recently that the Isis brides
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Speaker 13: are our being smuggled back into Australia by the Federal government.
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Speaker 13: Those of the New South Wales Police have a role
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Speaker 13: in this repatriation at all.
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Speaker 14: I will hand over without deferring the question.
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Speaker 6: I will hand over to mister Hudson's because he has
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Speaker 6: had some communications in relation to that.
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Speaker 2: That's okay.
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Speaker 14: We are still working through that issue with the Commonwealth.
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Speaker 14: The roles have yet to be finalized between what New
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Speaker 14: South Wales Government, including the New South Wales Police Force
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Speaker 14: and the Commonwealth's roles will be no doubt we will
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Speaker 14: have a role, as will broader New South Wales Government
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Speaker 14: and we have done with previous returning brides of foreign
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Speaker 14: fighters and children of such.
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Speaker 3: And Dave Hudson even confirmed that he was having meetings
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Speaker 3: with the Commonwealth next week about this.
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Speaker 4: In Canberra.
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Speaker 14: As I said, the roles of each agency have yet
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Speaker 14: to be determined. If the AFP don play a significant
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Speaker 14: role as they have previously, we will. We'll have to
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Speaker 14: work that out. Which what's some meetings next week in Canberra,
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Speaker 14: aligned with a strong New Zealand canter Terrorism Committee meeting
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Speaker 14: where I'll try and explore that further.
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Speaker 3: This was just hours after Albanezi claimed nothing to see
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Speaker 3: the reports were all incorrect. Now Opposition leader Susan Lee
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Speaker 3: and Dantean both said the Prime Minister had questions to
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Speaker 3: answer about whether he misled the parliament and.
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Speaker 1: If you're being a little bit more accurate, maybe he
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Speaker 1: even miss led the parliament because he knew exactly what
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Speaker 1: I was asking.
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Speaker 4: Parliament.
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Speaker 10: It does seem like he has absolutely misled the Parliament.
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Speaker 3: There's no doubt the confirmation from the most senior police
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Speaker 3: officers in New South Wales about the return of isis
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Speaker 3: Brides deeply embarrassed the Prime Minister. It's why initially Labor
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Speaker 3: tried to interrupt and laugh off the question about this
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Speaker 3: matter today in Parliament.
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Speaker 1: Last night, Shari Markson revealed on Sky News that Deputy
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Speaker 1: Commissioner Dave Hudson.
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Speaker 7: Order I'm not sure order. I'm not sure why there
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Speaker 7: was such a reaction, but I want to hear. I
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Speaker 7: don't know order, so the leader of the Opposition will
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Speaker 7: start a question again, is going to be silence.
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Speaker 4: Thank you, mister speaker.
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Speaker 1: My question is to the Prime Minister and I refer
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Speaker 1: to his answer yesterday where he rejected reports that Isis
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Speaker 1: brides were coming to Australia. Last night, Shari Markson revealed
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Speaker 1: on Sky News that Deputy Commissioner Dave Hudson had confirmed
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Speaker 1: New South Wales Police were quote working through that issue
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Speaker 1: with the Commonwealth end quote and that New South Wales
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Speaker 1: Police will meet with the AFP next week in relation
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Speaker 1: to this matter. Can the Prime Minister explain this contradiction,
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Speaker 1: thank hid.
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Speaker 6: There is no contradiction between my Auntie yesterday was absolutely correct.
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Speaker 3: The whole behavior, it's so childish. Apparently they want a
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Speaker 3: laugh at journalists who are actually holding them to account.
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Speaker 3: They don't like the scrutiny. But there's also a great
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Speaker 3: hypocrisy around this issue. The Albanze government has denied visas
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Speaker 3: to Israeli politicians, Simpla Rothmann, former Israeli minister Ailet Shaked,
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Speaker 3: and Jewish advocate Hillel Ford and Ed Husick has also
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Speaker 3: asked Penny Wong if Australians serving in Israel against mus
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Speaker 3: are foreign fighters. The Albanese government is tough on Jews
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Speaker 3: Jewish Israelis, but for members of a death cult, they
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Speaker 3: take a soft approach. They're trying to allow them back
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Speaker 3: into the country without any accountability or transparency at all,
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Speaker 3: and they refuse to be honest about this, pretending they
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Speaker 3: have nothing to do with the decision and they're giving
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Speaker 3: no assistance. It's not how government works. Albanzi is enabling
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Speaker 3: them to come to Australia. Their arrivals don't happen magically.
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Speaker 3: It's a deliberate decision. But this is the nature of
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Speaker 3: the current Albanesi government, tough on Israeli's soft on death cults.
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Speaker 3: Now one of Australia's greatest ever Prime ministers, John Howard,
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Speaker 3: has called Albanese's decision to recognize a Palestinian state reckless
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Speaker 3: and dangerous. Howard and his long serving Foreign minister Alexander
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Speaker 3: Downer issued a rare public statement today saying they're appalled
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Speaker 3: they use the word appalled by the Albanese government's recent behavior.
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Speaker 3: They said both the Prime Minister and the mis for
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Speaker 3: Home Affairs Tony Burke, have undermined a relationship of enduring
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Speaker 3: trust between Australia and Israel. In doing so, they have
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Speaker 3: failed to match the leadership and strength once shown by
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Speaker 3: Labour figures such as Bob Hawk and Doc Evertt. Hawk
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Speaker 3: had a close relationship with legendary Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir,
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Speaker 3: and he famously said after the nineteen seventy three Yom
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Speaker 3: Kippel War that if the bell tolls for Israel, it
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Speaker 3: won't just toll for Israel, it will toll for all mankind.
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Speaker 3: And Doc Evertt was the President of the United Nations
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Speaker 3: General Assembly in nineteen forty eight when Israel was first established.
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Speaker 3: I mean how different the current.
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Speaker 4: Iteration of federal Labour is to them. Howard and Downer.
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Speaker 3: Accused Albanesi and Burke of breaching international law in prioritizing
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Speaker 3: short term domestic political advantage. They said in their stay,
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Speaker 3: the question of recognizing Palestine as a sovereign state is
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Speaker 3: not a matter of empty symbolism. It strikes at the
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Speaker 3: heart of whether international law is to be respected or discarded.
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Speaker 3: Whenever political expediency is deemed more convenient. And here was
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Speaker 3: Alexander Downer speaking to Chris Kenny about this earlier.
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Speaker 15: I mean, I've noticed people who are supporting the Palestinians
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Speaker 15: are always going on about international law and the importance
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Speaker 15: of international law. Well, the recognition of a Palestinian state
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Speaker 15: is quite contrary to international law because it doesn't meet
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Speaker 15: any of the full criteria.
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Speaker 3: And in the statement they explain the full criteria what
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Speaker 3: it is that international law requires for statehood to be met. Now,
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Speaker 3: this includes a defined territory, a permanent population, an effective government,
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Speaker 3: and the capacity to engage in relations with other states.
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Speaker 3: They say Palestine as it stands today does.
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Speaker 4: Not meet these standards.
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Speaker 3: There are no agreed borders, a mus A terror group
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Speaker 3: still controls Gaza, there's no unified or effective government, and
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Speaker 3: the Palestinian authority lacks true control or credibility with Palestinian
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Speaker 3: people now. John Howard and Alexander Downer also point out
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Speaker 3: that under the Oslo Accords, the Palestinians did commit to
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Speaker 3: resolve final status issues including borders, settlements, refugees, security, and
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Speaker 3: statehood through direct negotiations with Israel, but then that never happened.
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Speaker 3: The former leaders say recognition of a Palestinian state outside
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Speaker 3: this framework discards those commitments. It offers the prize of
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Speaker 3: statehood without requiring the compromises governance, can opacity and accountability
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Speaker 3: that a durable peace demands. And Downer explained earlier on
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Speaker 3: Chris Kenny how this is a prize for Hamas.
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Speaker 15: We've been outraged that Hamas has been rewarded in this
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Speaker 15: way by the Australian government. It's a shocking thing to do.
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Speaker 15: I mean, your viewers don't need to be reminded of
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Speaker 15: the horrific crimes that Hamas has committed.
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Speaker 3: Dwana and Howard also argue that the move to recognize
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Speaker 3: the Palestinian state sets a dangerous precedent and entrenches division.
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Speaker 3: They say it teaches the Palestinian leadership that peace is
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Speaker 3: unnecessary for statehood and then this I thought was the
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Speaker 3: strongest part. They conclude their statement by saying to recognize
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Speaker 3: Palestine prematurely is not just poor diplomacy, it is a
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Speaker 3: betrayal of the legal order that underpins the very idea
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Speaker 3: of a rules based international system. Those who value international
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Speaker 3: law and who understand the hard lessons of conflict resolution
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Speaker 3: should resist such a reckless and dangerous course, isn't it
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Speaker 3: refreshing to be reminded of what real leadership, moral clarity
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Speaker 3: and clear argument looks like. Our world here in Australia
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Speaker 3: would be so different right now with a strong leader
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Speaker 3: running this country. And I'm very pleased to say that
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Speaker 3: John Howard will appear on my program to discuss this
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Speaker 3: topic on Monday night, so make sure you don't miss
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Speaker 3: that interview. Now, for the second day in a row,
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Speaker 3: Albinizi has refused to condemn his close friend Daniel Andrews
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Speaker 3: for attending the military parade alongside Russian, North Korean and
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Speaker 3: Iranian dictators. Albanezi and Andrews are former flatmates, they meel
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Speaker 3: together regularly and they're from the same socialist left faction.
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Speaker 3: Albanizi even raved about his friendship with down Andrews in
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Speaker 3: an interview earlier this year.
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Speaker 16: Daniel Andrews is a friend of mine and he's been
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Speaker 16: a friend of mine for a long period of time.
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Speaker 16: We shared famously shared a flat for a little while
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Speaker 16: in Canberra when he was a staffer.
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Speaker 3: And Albinizi even reportedly asked Andrews for help in preparing
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Speaker 3: for live TV debates against Peter Dutton before the last election,
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Speaker 3: and so this partly explains why he's refused to criticize
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Speaker 3: Andrew's disgraceful decision to join the world's worst dictators this week.
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Speaker 1: This month, the Prime Minister expelled the Iranian ambassador, an
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Speaker 1: action the Coalition has strongly supported. But what message does
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Speaker 1: it send when the Prime Minister of this country doesn't
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Speaker 1: have the spine to condemn his former flatmate Daniel Andrews
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Speaker 1: for posing in family photos with the Iranian president, a
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Speaker 1: leader whose regime has actively orchestrated attacks on Australian soil.
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Speaker 6: They are delulu, mister speaker.
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Speaker 3: They are delulu. He's not even using English. Once again,
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Speaker 3: Albanezi insults Australians by not taking this seriously. Now please
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Speaker 3: to say I spoke to the Opposition leader Susan Lee
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Speaker 3: about this a little earlier this evening. Susan Lee, thank
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Speaker 3: you very much for your time. Now you put pressure
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Speaker 3: on the proce to join it. You put pressure on
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister today over his refusal to condemn Daniel
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Speaker 3: Andrews for attending a meeting of dictators. Why do you
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Speaker 3: think the Prime Minister has been so reluctant to publicly
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Speaker 3: criticize this.
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Speaker 4: It's quite bewildering. Shari.
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Speaker 1: Labor leaders across Australia have condemned Daniel Andrews appearing in
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Speaker 1: the same family photo with dictators, despots, war criminals only
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Speaker 1: feet away from Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un, and
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Speaker 1: it beggars belief that our own prime minister cannot utterly
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Speaker 1: condemn this behavior. There's actually no excuse. So we did
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Speaker 1: ask him and these were serious questions. He treated the
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Speaker 1: questions as if they were trivial and irrelevant, which is
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Speaker 1: how he approaches question time more broadly. But I know
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Speaker 1: from the front pages of today's press that this is
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Speaker 1: really angered Australians and they know the closeness that Daniel
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Speaker 1: Andrews has with Anthony Albanezi. They were flatmates, they spent
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Speaker 1: time in the lead up to the campaign, they worked
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Speaker 1: together closely. They're very good friends. He needs to be strong,
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Speaker 1: he needs to show leadership today he did not.
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Speaker 3: You just mentioned that his during question time and I
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Speaker 3: have noticed he's been particularly evasive. He's not dealing in
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Speaker 3: any of the issues. Do you think this is even
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Speaker 3: more exaggerated with you as the opposition leader? Do you
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Speaker 3: think he is being disrespectful and not engaging in these
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Speaker 3: very serious issues of national security, whether it's Isis Brides
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Speaker 3: or Daniel Andrews.
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Speaker 4: That's exactly how he is.
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Speaker 1: And as to the reasons, I'm not sure he shouldn't
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Speaker 1: show the hubris that I think we all see in
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Speaker 1: question time, because these are questions that we ask for
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Speaker 1: Australians with respect to the national interest, and these issues
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Speaker 1: are incredibly important and to just brush them away as
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Speaker 1: he does, I think says more about him and his
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Speaker 1: approach than it does about anything else in that forum.
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Speaker 1: And you mentioned Isis Brides and that was another moment
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Speaker 1: today where he just shook his head and sort of
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Speaker 1: muttered under his breath and said, seriously, as if how
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Speaker 1: could we are ask the question? I mean really, I
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Speaker 1: mentioned that you had broken the story last night, Shari,
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Speaker 1: that the New South Wales Police actually contradicted his earlier
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Speaker 1: statement in Question Time today where he said this simply
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Speaker 1: isn't happening and they said, well, yes it is. And
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Speaker 1: there are already meetings arranged between the New South Wales
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Speaker 1: Police and the AFP, which is exactly as it should be.
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Speaker 4: Now he knows what this question is about.
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Speaker 1: He knows that we simply seek answers and he's refusing
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Speaker 1: to give any.
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Speaker 3: So he changed his tune. Yesterday he said the story
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Speaker 3: was inaccurate. Today he said the federal government was not
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Speaker 3: providing assistance. But is this believable passports, travel documentation, even
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Speaker 3: citizenship birth certificates for the children who've been born in Syria.
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Speaker 3: So there has to be assistants here and the New
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Speaker 3: South i Was government, as you say, has confirmed that
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Speaker 3: as well. So again do you think he's not being
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Speaker 3: entirely upfront, not.
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Speaker 1: Being truthful and he's borderline misleading the parliament because if
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Speaker 1: you know what a question is about and you choose
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Speaker 1: to be tricky, then you know that's misleading and it's
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Speaker 1: not fitting of a prime minister. The point is that
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Speaker 1: these returnees, if they arrive, when they arrive, need to
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Speaker 1: be met by our security agencies. Remember, they left Australia
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Speaker 1: to join a death cult. Willingly they committed a crime
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Speaker 1: by leaving our shores to join with a cult that
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Speaker 1: has at its heart the destruction of Australian values and
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Speaker 1: Australia's way of life. If they're returning, then are they
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Speaker 1: a security risk? These questions need to be asked and
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Speaker 1: if so, will they be monitored, So that is something
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Speaker 1: that Australian agencies repatriation or otherwise have to do.
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Speaker 4: How long will they be monitored for?
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Speaker 1: Will they need some sort of readjustment back into the community,
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Speaker 1: What does that really mean, how much will it actually cost?
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Speaker 1: And what are the prospects for success? And all of
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Speaker 1: these questions are vital, important and ones that we deserved
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Speaker 1: answers to today. And I know that hard working journalists
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Speaker 1: around the country will be probing these matters because they
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Speaker 1: are in the national interest.
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Speaker 3: Well, you have more faith in the press gallery than
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Speaker 3: I do. Tony Abbott, on Star News earlier this evening
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Speaker 3: said that this cohort should not be allowed back in Australia.
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Speaker 3: I'll just play you what he ought to say.
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Speaker 17: Obviously, these people who left Australia to join Islamic State,
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Speaker 17: a gruesome, barbarous terrorist group, have effectively rejected our country,
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Speaker 17: its values and our citizenship. And I don't believe they
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Speaker 17: have any moral right to come back.
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Speaker 3: Susan, do you agree with mister Abbott that the ISIS
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Speaker 3: brides should not be allowed into Australia.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I do.
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Speaker 1: They did a deliberate choice to leave our shores to
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Speaker 1: join a death cult, and I remember the elevated security
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Speaker 1: risk at that time, and so much that added to
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Speaker 1: our feelings in this country of this awful organization and
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Speaker 1: what it's sought to achieve, its destruction of Western values
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Speaker 1: and Western civilization. Now I can't believe that these individuals
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Speaker 1: are coming back and want to resettle in Australian society
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Speaker 1: and just pick up life as normal Australian citizens. It's
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Speaker 1: a privilege, not a right to come here. And you
24:38
Speaker 1: have to believe in what our Australian values are, and
24:43
Speaker 1: our Judeo Christian values in this country are completely and
24:47
Speaker 1: diametrically opposed to the values if you can even call them,
24:51
Speaker 1: that of the death cult that is Islamic State.
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Speaker 4: So this is important.
24:57
Speaker 1: This matters, and we don't support what we have been told.
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Speaker 1: We need the full facts, Prime Minister, and we need
25:05
Speaker 1: the questions answered.
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Speaker 3: So there you go, you're tonight saying they should not
25:09
Speaker 3: be allowed in the country, this cohort of isis Brides Susanly.
25:14
Speaker 3: Just on a final point, there's been a lot of
25:16
Speaker 3: criticism of the coalition under your leadership that we're now
25:20
Speaker 3: many months on from the election, and there's no firm
25:24
Speaker 3: energy policy, immigration policy, NDIS policy. I mean, you name
25:29
Speaker 3: it in any portfolio. And while you have said that
25:33
Speaker 3: a review needs to take place, we've even seen criticism
25:36
Speaker 3: from former Prime Minister John Howard that we can't wait
25:40
Speaker 3: a year for an energy policy.
25:42
Speaker 4: What's your response to that.
25:45
Speaker 1: We're just over three months in and I'm happy to
25:47
Speaker 1: report that there's an enormous amount of policy work being done.
25:50
Speaker 1: Shari and I understand that we are we have in
25:55
Speaker 1: our party room and this is a terrific thing, some
25:58
Speaker 1: incredible talent. I'm harnessed all of that through various policy forums.
26:03
Speaker 1: We had an energy policy meeting today. About thirty members
26:06
Speaker 1: and senators attended. There were presentations, they were experts, there
26:11
Speaker 1: was a lot of analysis, and there was a real buzz.
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Speaker 4: In the room.
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Speaker 1: I'm told that is all about how we develop an
26:18
Speaker 1: energy policy that is pinned, underpinned by two things. That
26:24
Speaker 1: we have a stable, reliable grid that delivers affordable energy,
26:27
Speaker 1: and that we play our part in reducing emissions. Meanwhile,
26:31
Speaker 1: as I say to my team every day, it's important
26:33
Speaker 1: we hold the government to account. There's a trifecta of
26:36
Speaker 1: energy failures from this government. Costs are going up, reliability
26:40
Speaker 1: is going down, emissions are flatlining. That is a big
26:44
Speaker 1: fail and certain factory.
26:47
Speaker 3: Industries in the entry and it's certainly frustrating industry, farmers,
26:51
Speaker 3: many in the community. So will you bring forward your policies?
26:55
Speaker 3: Will we see one by the end of the year.
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Speaker 1: We'll see policies throughout this term of opposition. They'll be
27:02
Speaker 1: clearly articulated, and there'll be an energy a lot of involvement.
27:07
Speaker 1: As I said, absolutely absolutely an energy policy.
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Speaker 4: I think we do.
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Speaker 1: I do think we have to take the time to
27:13
Speaker 1: get this right. So I'm not going to sort of
27:15
Speaker 1: put a date in place, but we know that with
27:19
Speaker 1: this government's energy failures, our opportunities right here right now,
27:23
Speaker 1: including developing our own policy as we are doing, is
27:26
Speaker 1: to really highlight labour's failures. Because every which way you turn,
27:31
Speaker 1: you see someone whose energy bills are making their small business,
27:36
Speaker 1: the manufacturing business, their industry completely affordable, unaffordable, and we
27:40
Speaker 1: have to call that out, and we will call that
27:42
Speaker 1: out and will continue to do that.
27:44
Speaker 3: All right, Susan Lee, thank you very much for coming
27:46
Speaker 3: on the program.
27:47
Speaker 4: I appreciate your time.
27:48
Speaker 1: Thank you.
27:50
Speaker 3: All right, let's bring in tonight's panel Regular Thursday Panel,
27:53
Speaker 3: National Senator Matt Canavan and WA Opposition Leader Basil zemplars.
27:58
Speaker 3: Just to pick up on what Susan Lee was just
28:00
Speaker 3: speaking about. Matt, you listen to her answer there on
28:03
Speaker 3: energy policy not having one at the moment in the
28:05
Speaker 3: process they're going through. I mean this comes as just
28:08
Speaker 3: today you introduced your own members.
28:11
Speaker 4: Bill to repeal net zero.
28:14
Speaker 3: What's your assessment on how the Liberals are going to
28:16
Speaker 3: arrive at a position that the Nationals would be satisfied with.
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Speaker 18: Well, look, I think the best solution to this issue,
28:26
Speaker 18: almost to any contentious issue, is to talk it out.
28:30
Speaker 18: Lots of times in life you have disagreements with people
28:32
Speaker 18: you love. Often don't always agree with my wife and
28:36
Speaker 18: I love her if she's watching. But the best thing
28:38
Speaker 18: to do when there is that dispute is to talk
28:41
Speaker 18: the issue out, to actually communicate. And the problem we
28:44
Speaker 18: find ourselves in Shari is we have never had a
28:47
Speaker 18: debate on Net zero in the joint party room. It
28:50
Speaker 18: sounds unbelievable, but it's true. It's one of the most radical,
28:54
Speaker 18: I think socialist policies that a government has ever imposed
28:57
Speaker 18: on Australia. It effectively means the government will have to
28:59
Speaker 18: decide what you can eat, how you can drive, how
29:01
Speaker 18: things are made.
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Speaker 2: That's socialism, and the Liberal.
29:05
Speaker 18: And National Party room have never debated this socialist plan.
29:09
Speaker 18: So look, all I've been asking for four nearly four
29:12
Speaker 18: years now is let's just have a debate.
29:15
Speaker 2: And obviously I've.
29:17
Speaker 18: Got certain views that I'll forthrightly put forward, but I
29:21
Speaker 18: think that is the best way to resolve something that
29:24
Speaker 18: is causing tension among otherwise trusted partners.
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Speaker 3: Basil, I don't think I've ever asked you about this issue.
29:31
Speaker 4: Do you think natzero needs to be repealed? Do you
29:34
Speaker 4: think the.
29:34
Speaker 3: Federal government has gone too far on renewables?
29:39
Speaker 2: I think we need to be very careful.
29:41
Speaker 19: And I'm on the record of saying that the Liberal
29:44
Speaker 19: Party broadly and certainly here in Western Australia has not
29:47
Speaker 19: appealed to enough younger voters, and has not appealed to
29:51
Speaker 19: enough women, and in many instances has not appealed to
29:54
Speaker 19: enough people in the city. So we need to be
29:57
Speaker 19: very careful about winding those things back when we know
29:59
Speaker 19: so Manyustralians care about our environment, they care about emissions,
30:05
Speaker 19: and I think that zero has become a phrase that
30:07
Speaker 19: captures the casual observer in this space, and so the
30:11
Speaker 19: language is important. I've got to say, look, Susan Lee
30:15
Speaker 19: is the leader. She is not into being rushed at
30:20
Speaker 19: the moment. She made her case very clearly. She's working
30:23
Speaker 19: to her timetable. That is her prerogative. Others would rather
30:27
Speaker 19: move along more quickly. Matt is one of them. But
30:30
Speaker 19: she is entitled to go to her timetable and that's
30:33
Speaker 19: what she's doing, and that is her prerogative. So let's
30:38
Speaker 19: see when we see, is the best way to describe it.
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Speaker 3: I think the only thing I'd say in response to
30:43
Speaker 3: that is it's fine to take your time with reviews,
30:46
Speaker 3: but this is the worst government we have had, and
30:49
Speaker 3: we need an opposition to argue against them, and they
30:52
Speaker 3: can't do that properly without knowing their own policies. You've
30:55
Speaker 3: got to have your own policy before you can take
30:57
Speaker 3: the fight to the government. So, you know, immigration, the
31:01
Speaker 3: class seek point immigration. You know, Paul scar was on
31:05
Speaker 3: with Chris Kenny this week and Chris Kenny said, well,
31:07
Speaker 3: what do you think the immigration number could be?
31:09
Speaker 4: And he went, I don't know, we don't have we
31:11
Speaker 4: don't know yet. But that's the issue.
31:15
Speaker 2: Well, Shary, I mean I think it's deeper than.
31:16
Speaker 3: That, because I mean, okay, Matt Canavan, you go.
31:21
Speaker 2: All right, we'll go in order.
31:23
Speaker 18: But yeah, look, I think it's deeper than that because
31:27
Speaker 18: we notionally remain committed to NED zero emissions. It's not
31:31
Speaker 18: just that we're reviewing it or that we've got to
31:34
Speaker 18: we're waiting to see. We remain committed to it, as
31:36
Speaker 18: Basil said. And while ever you remain committed to the
31:38
Speaker 18: same pathway the government sign is very hard to criticize
31:41
Speaker 18: them for the outcomes, the clear deligerous outcomes that are
31:44
Speaker 18: occurring in our energy market through the loss of jobs
31:47
Speaker 18: and industries, including in Basil state.
31:49
Speaker 2: We lost our nickel industry.
31:50
Speaker 18: And it's fine for Basil and say, let's worry about
31:52
Speaker 18: people in the cities. What about the ten thousand people
31:55
Speaker 18: who lost their jobs in the nickel industry because we
31:57
Speaker 18: remain committed to this green energy rubbish that was explicitly
32:00
Speaker 18: because BHP signed up to green energy, massively increased the
32:04
Speaker 18: costs in our nickel industry and couldn't compete with Indonesia
32:06
Speaker 18: powered by coullified power. I think those people deserve someone
32:09
Speaker 18: to fight for them, and I think it's a bit
32:12
Speaker 18: patronizing to say women and young people believe this. Well,
32:15
Speaker 18: it's our job to convince people and lead. It's not
32:17
Speaker 18: just our job to follow. We get paid big bucks,
32:20
Speaker 18: and those big bucks should be to try and actually
32:23
Speaker 18: convince the strain people what we think is right, not
32:26
Speaker 18: just what we think they want to hear.
32:28
Speaker 19: Basil, you want to respond to that, and Matt, that's
32:33
Speaker 19: what you're entitled to your opinion, that's what you think
32:36
Speaker 19: is right. As we know, the Libs have a review
32:38
Speaker 19: on and this rush for policy inside through Susan made
32:42
Speaker 19: the point it is at the three month mark, and
32:44
Speaker 19: so everybody that's calling for this policy is calling for
32:47
Speaker 19: it inside three months.
32:49
Speaker 2: Actually catastrophic election.
32:50
Speaker 4: Actually four months, isn't it. The election was in May?
32:53
Speaker 19: Four months, four months leadership change, putting a band back together.
32:58
Speaker 2: We know what happened with the Nats. They were in,
33:00
Speaker 2: then they were out.
33:01
Speaker 19: You haven't exactly helped this situation mat on your own,
33:04
Speaker 19: and therefore Susan is entitled to get these things in
33:09
Speaker 19: order to her timetable, and she is the leader. She
33:13
Speaker 19: can do it, and in the end she gets judged
33:16
Speaker 19: on exactly that all right, and.
33:18
Speaker 4: We will be fair about that. As always.
33:21
Speaker 3: Again, I want to pick up on the Daniel Andrews
33:23
Speaker 3: conversation because you know we've spoken about this a lot
33:26
Speaker 3: over the past couple of days.
33:27
Speaker 4: But here is a.
33:28
Speaker 3: Really important point that I think is worth highlighting. A
33:32
Speaker 3: woman called Helen Shoo is a survivor of the Tianaman
33:35
Speaker 3: Square massacre in nineteen eighty nine, and she wrote a
33:38
Speaker 3: piece in the Herald today. She said she watched with
33:40
Speaker 3: horror as Daniel Andrews prostituted himself to gain the friendship
33:44
Speaker 3: of some of the world's most notorious dictators. She says,
33:49
Speaker 3: there he was standing in the same square where my
33:51
Speaker 3: friends were murdered, shoulder to shoulder with Vladimir Putin and
33:55
Speaker 3: Kim John, all while China rolled out it's military hardware.
33:58
Speaker 4: For the world to see.
34:00
Speaker 3: It made my blood, boy or I just think that
34:03
Speaker 3: is so well, said Matt Canavan. It was a disgrace
34:09
Speaker 3: to see any senior Australian.
34:11
Speaker 18: That is extremely poor judgment from Dan Andrews. I mean
34:17
Speaker 18: even his fellow traveler Bob Carr eventually came to his
34:20
Speaker 18: senses and realized that it was a terrible look for
34:23
Speaker 18: former Australian leaders, from Australian premiers to be giving a
34:27
Speaker 18: sense of credence to what was a dictator's parade.
34:30
Speaker 2: Effectively, there that.
34:32
Speaker 18: Piece that you've referenced was extremely powerful and carriage others
34:35
Speaker 18: to read it at Australian now proud Australian who suffered
34:40
Speaker 18: thirty thirty six years ago at the hands of this
34:43
Speaker 18: same dictatorial regime. So it's one thing to go on
34:46
Speaker 18: trade visits, and normally on those sort of trade visits
34:48
Speaker 18: we would still speak up.
34:50
Speaker 2: For human rights and put our point of view to China.
34:53
Speaker 18: But instead Dan's gone on a backslapping exercise here with
34:58
Speaker 18: a very military that is it has conducted and engaged
35:02
Speaker 18: in terrible human rights abuses over the years.
35:05
Speaker 3: And the other thing is basil that we saw their
35:09
Speaker 3: military modernization, all of their weapons, weapons that would be
35:14
Speaker 3: used against America and it's allies if America chooses to
35:18
Speaker 3: step in and defend Taiwan.
35:22
Speaker 2: Yes, the look was shocking.
35:24
Speaker 19: It was tone deaf from Dan Andrews effectively putting influence
35:28
Speaker 19: and connections and ultimately probably financial gain through the business
35:31
Speaker 19: interest that he has in that jurisdiction above everything else.
35:35
Speaker 19: He has to live with that, I mean everything you
35:37
Speaker 19: need to know about it is evident from the Australian
35:41
Speaker 19: government sending formally no representative. Clearly Australia and China continue
35:46
Speaker 19: to have relations that is sensible and productive and they're
35:48
Speaker 19: a big trading partner.
35:49
Speaker 2: We get all of those things.
35:51
Speaker 19: But sharing that stage with the leader of Russia, with
35:53
Speaker 19: the leader of North Korea and the leader and the
35:56
Speaker 19: Iranian leader just a shocking look for Dan Andrews. And
36:00
Speaker 19: ultimately he wears that. He wears that on his own.
36:03
Speaker 19: It's on his conscience if he feels comfortable enough doing it,
36:06
Speaker 19: and then he's going to be okay when he comes home.
36:09
Speaker 2: That's on him.
36:10
Speaker 19: It was his choice and a terrible look that's been
36:13
Speaker 19: condemned by everybody else.
36:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, it will damage his credibility.
36:16
Speaker 18: The Prime Minister, Basil, the Prime Minister hasn't condemned it.
36:19
Speaker 3: True good And we don't have time to We don't
36:24
Speaker 3: have time to discuss it tonight. But everyone needs to
36:26
Speaker 3: read the Telegraph and the Courier Mail tomorrow because Matt Canavan,
36:29
Speaker 3: you've got a fascinating article on migration and how the
36:32
Speaker 3: Prime Minister promised to have it. But what the figures
36:35
Speaker 3: are really looking like So it's.
36:37
Speaker 19: Not one of those Matt Canavan cartoons. I still can't
36:40
Speaker 19: understand that from a couple of weeks ago.
36:42
Speaker 4: I will have to see if done anymore.
36:44
Speaker 18: That's much more sensible and legible. It's not in Japanese.
36:47
Speaker 18: I haven't written it in Mariana.
36:49
Speaker 3: That's a help, right, Caravan and Basil Zampler is great
36:52
Speaker 3: to see you now, Still to come. Where does the
36:55
Speaker 3: Waverley mayor plan to remove shark nets which beach all?
36:59
Speaker 4: Ask him?
37:00
Speaker 3: Plus, the Sydney Hospital launches an investigation into cardiologist sprouting
37:05
Speaker 3: conspiracy theories.
37:07
Speaker 4: That's after this quick break.
37:12
Speaker 3: Welcome back and joining me now is Fromer Federal Police
37:15
Speaker 3: Detective Superintendent David Craig.
37:17
Speaker 4: David, good to see you again.
37:19
Speaker 3: Now your expertise is in counter terrorism, and so I
37:24
Speaker 3: want to ask you about this story about the ISIS
37:26
Speaker 3: brides returning to Australia. How difficult is this from a
37:32
Speaker 3: counter terrorism perspective? Now we don't know whether or not
37:36
Speaker 3: there have been deradicalization programs in Syria in the refugee camps.
37:41
Speaker 3: We just don't know publicly whether or not these individuals
37:46
Speaker 3: are still radicalized. So from a counter terrorism perspective, how would.
37:50
Speaker 4: This be handled?
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Speaker 20: First of all, Shari good evening. I'd like to say
37:56
Speaker 20: that these deradicalization programs are largely ineffectual that will offend
38:02
Speaker 20: a lot of people that are invested in this, and
38:04
Speaker 20: they're doing their best. However, the results show that largely
38:07
Speaker 20: they do not work. They have worked on occasion, but
38:10
Speaker 20: largely they don't. So to think that there's a deradicalization
38:14
Speaker 20: process that could be efficient being run in Syria to
38:18
Speaker 20: adjust these people to Australian values to come back and
38:20
Speaker 20: live a peaceful and contributive life in Australian society, it's
38:24
Speaker 20: an absolute fantasy. If Alban Ezy and Tody Burke allow
38:30
Speaker 20: these people back into our country, every single one of
38:33
Speaker 20: them will need to be monitored. Now I'm not saying
38:36
Speaker 20: that they're all terrorists, far from it, But what I
38:38
Speaker 20: am saying is that they're coming from a terrorist war
38:41
Speaker 20: zone and people that come out of that environment need
38:44
Speaker 20: time to adjust back to a normal civilian way of life.
38:48
Speaker 20: They need to decompress, and I don't think it's going
38:51
Speaker 20: to happen.
38:53
Speaker 3: So we heard Dave Hudson say yesterday that he still
38:57
Speaker 3: has to have the proper conversations with AFP about division
39:00
Speaker 3: of responsibility. What responsibility is he talking about apart from monitoring?
39:05
Speaker 4: What else is there?
39:10
Speaker 20: Well, there's the administrative law aspect of it. There's the
39:16
Speaker 20: It's not just the whether you'd be looking at ankle
39:18
Speaker 20: monitoring and electronic monitoring. It's the constant reporting that needs
39:22
Speaker 20: to be done on these people and who is going
39:24
Speaker 20: to accept responsibility if one of them becomes involved with
39:28
Speaker 20: a terrorist again and something, you know, someone leads to
39:33
Speaker 20: a mass event in Australia. Someone needs to be accountable
39:36
Speaker 20: and responsible. Those lines of division need to be very clear,
39:39
Speaker 20: so whoever's making that decision be held accountable if they
39:42
Speaker 20: get it wrong.
39:44
Speaker 3: Susan Lee on the show tonight said that this cohort
39:48
Speaker 3: should be banned from returning to Australia. Is this possible
39:52
Speaker 3: if they are Australian citizens, the women or the adults
39:56
Speaker 3: at least, is it possible to stop them coming back
39:58
Speaker 3: to Australia.
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Speaker 20: That's a really good question and it's one that I'll
40:05
Speaker 20: try and give a very brief answer to. Firstly, if
40:08
Speaker 20: they are dual citizens Australia, then we can cancel the
40:11
Speaker 20: Australian passport. If they're on a visa here, we can
40:14
Speaker 20: cancel the visa. If they're Australian residents, then we can
40:18
Speaker 20: use a protective order, an exclusion order temporary exclusion order
40:22
Speaker 20: to prevent them coming back to Australian put them into
40:24
Speaker 20: veins for about two years while the case is assessed.
40:26
Speaker 20: If they do get in then they need to be monitored.
40:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, really interesting.
40:32
Speaker 3: Just before you go, I want to ask you about
40:34
Speaker 3: this terrible story. It's the head of the heart transplant
40:38
Speaker 3: unit at Saint Vincent's Hospital in Sydney, a cardiologist called
40:41
Speaker 3: Peter McDonald. He has claimed that Mossad, not Iran, was
40:47
Speaker 3: behind the anti Semitic attacks that we saw over the summer. Now,
40:52
Speaker 3: he was speaking at a panel discussion organized by the
40:55
Speaker 3: Palestine Justice Movement and he said, I thought it was
40:58
Speaker 3: a no brainer that these were Mossad engineered events.
41:03
Speaker 4: Am I being totally naive?
41:05
Speaker 3: Or has the Zionist lobby infiltrated and taken over Asio
41:10
Speaker 3: as well? Now the hospital has launched a probe into
41:14
Speaker 3: the comments after media reporting over the past few days.
41:17
Speaker 4: But this is pretty shocking, isn't it.
41:19
Speaker 3: A respected medical professional running conspiracy anti Submitic conspiracy theories
41:25
Speaker 3: like this.
41:28
Speaker 20: Well, we now have the complete spectrum, don't we, from
41:30
Speaker 20: nurses in Bankstown right through to cardiologists expressing anti Semitism.
41:34
Speaker 20: I mean, what is going on in New South Wales health.
41:37
Speaker 20: But we do need to look at it in context.
41:39
Speaker 20: Charlie Locke. I understand this person who is a very
41:41
Speaker 20: good cardiologist, but if national security was a medical ward,
41:45
Speaker 20: he's not qualified to put on a band aid. His
41:48
Speaker 20: comments mean nothing and in my opinion, he is delusional
41:51
Speaker 20: and doesn't understand national security.
41:52
Speaker 4: At the least.
41:53
Speaker 3: There's been such an issue with medical professionals expressing highly
41:57
Speaker 3: offensive views in various forums, and you know you just
42:00
Speaker 3: have to to worry if you go in for a procedure.
42:03
Speaker 4: You know, what do you need to do?
42:04
Speaker 3: Get a journalist to do research on your doctor, your
42:07
Speaker 3: cardiologist first. I mean, I don't know what. It's just
42:10
Speaker 3: what this world is coming to. Very scary, all right, David,
42:13
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
42:14
Speaker 20: Well, yeah, no problem, thank you, all.
42:18
Speaker 4: Right, thank you. Still to come.
42:21
Speaker 3: The beach is set to have shark nets removed this summer,
42:23
Speaker 3: plus will any action be taken against a Palestinian rally
42:27
Speaker 3: planned for Bondai Beach on Father's Day. I'll speak with
42:30
Speaker 3: the mayor after the break.
42:36
Speaker 4: Welcome back.
42:36
Speaker 3: The New South Wales government is doing a controversial trial
42:40
Speaker 3: where they're ordering the removal of sharknets from three beaches
42:45
Speaker 3: and it's three different councils. One of those councils is Waverley,
42:49
Speaker 3: home to the most famous beach in the world, Bondai
42:52
Speaker 3: and enjoining me now is Waverley Mayor will Nemish Well,
42:55
Speaker 3: thank you for your time. So Northern Beaches, Central Coast
43:00
Speaker 3: Counsels and your council have all been asked to nominate
43:03
Speaker 3: a beach each where you'll remove the shark nets.
43:07
Speaker 4: Which beach will you choose? Have you decided yet?
43:11
Speaker 2: Yes?
43:11
Speaker 21: Thanks to Cherry, excellent question. So when this came to council,
43:15
Speaker 21: council decided to reaffirm its long standing position, which is
43:19
Speaker 21: that if the state government is to remove shark nets,
43:23
Speaker 21: it must be supplemented by additional shark mitigation measures that
43:29
Speaker 21: are provided for and funded by the state government. So way,
43:32
Speaker 21: the Council has not nominated the beach and our position
43:35
Speaker 21: is not to nominate a beach because the issue of
43:37
Speaker 21: shark nets and shark net removal solely lies in the
43:41
Speaker 21: ambit of the state government.
43:43
Speaker 3: So the state government's asked you to nominate the beach,
43:45
Speaker 3: you're saying you're not going to do that.
43:48
Speaker 4: Now.
43:48
Speaker 3: Is it true that there are only two beaches that
43:51
Speaker 3: have shark nets, Bondei and Brandi?
43:55
Speaker 4: Is that right?
43:56
Speaker 3: Apart from the more permanent the more permanent shark nets
43:59
Speaker 3: that are beaches, So it's just Bondai and Bryante. So
44:03
Speaker 3: the government is planned to remove a shark net from
44:05
Speaker 3: one of those beaches.
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Speaker 21: It would seem so the Council's jurisdiction ends at the
44:10
Speaker 21: high Wood and Mark. So the issue of shark nets,
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Speaker 21: it does fall solely onto the state government, and whilst
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Speaker 21: council is a stakeholder, we don't determine where the shark
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Speaker 21: nets go and for how long they're there. We are consulted,
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Speaker 21: but we don't actually determine that.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you'd think there'd be an uproar if shark
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Speaker 3: nets were removed from either Bondai or Bryanti beaches because
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Speaker 3: families pack those beaches over some are there'd be many
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Speaker 3: people worried. There are often shark sightings around the eastern beaches.
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Speaker 21: Yes, as as I mentioned before, though the for Wadeley
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Speaker 21: Council to be comfortable. As we've sort of stated in
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Speaker 21: various resolutions, there would need to be additional shark mitigation
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Speaker 21: strategies and technologies that are funded so for example.
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Speaker 3: But but you've also said that it's not in your control.
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Speaker 3: So the New South I was government's planning on doing
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Speaker 3: this without asking for your.
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Speaker 22: Permission, correct, But we're saying if they're going to do it,
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Speaker 22: they must provide this additional resourcing so that community safety
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Speaker 22: does come first. I want to ask you about I
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Speaker 22: should say as well that they should also pay for that.
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Speaker 21: It's you know, that should not be a burden put
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Speaker 21: onto Waverly ratepayers either.
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Speaker 4: All right, we'll stay on this issue.
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you about the pro Palestinian rally
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Speaker 3: plan for Bondai Beach on Father's Day this Sunday. Are
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Speaker 3: you doing anything to try and shut it down?
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Speaker 13: Yes.
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Speaker 21: So, I've been very firm on this. I think it's
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Speaker 21: highly provocative, it's completely unnecessary, and particularly on Father's Day.
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Speaker 21: I've raised this issue internally with counsel, with local members
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Speaker 21: of Parliament, the police, and I've also written to the
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Speaker 21: Police Minister about this as well, asking the police to
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Speaker 21: intervene and use their power to do what they can
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Speaker 21: in order to sort of control or to stop the
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Speaker 21: gathering from occurring. Council hasn't received any permission as part
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Speaker 21: of its events policy, and even if an application were
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Speaker 21: to be put to Council, we would not accept it.
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Speaker 3: Is there anything that I mean, there's nothing you can
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Speaker 3: do realistically to stop going ahead or would have to
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Speaker 3: be up to the police.
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Speaker 4: What isn't it?
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Speaker 21: Yes, that is correct, and we're working with the police
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Speaker 21: and other stakeholders are involved to ensure that the local
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Speaker 21: community's concerns are reflected. As I said, it's a very provocative,
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Speaker 21: highly provocative measure to be undertaking at this particular point
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Speaker 21: in time, and of all places, bond Bay Beach, particularly
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Speaker 21: when some of the organizers I'm aware relate to actually
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Speaker 21: the Greens Party. But in Randwick and Botany a beach
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Speaker 21: or a location in that jurisdiction would be far more appropriate.
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Speaker 21: So I question why they would choo is Bondi Beach
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Speaker 21: on Father's Day?
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Speaker 3: Well, they choose it because there's a lot of Jews
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Speaker 3: living in the area. Isn't it that's I mean, that's
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Speaker 3: what you're saying when you say it's provocative.
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Speaker 21: That's what you mean is yeah, yeah, absolutely, which is
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Speaker 21: why actually should be taken and it should be considered
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Speaker 21: by the police looking context.
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Speaker 3: And Waverley of course has had a spate of anti
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Speaker 3: Semitic attacks, particularly over summer. You're currently at this Merrill
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Speaker 3: summit on anti Semitism in the Gold Coast. You're speaking
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Speaker 3: about the plan that you've introduced to try and address
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Speaker 3: this issue. You're trying to give advice to other councils
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Speaker 3: on how to deal with it.
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Speaker 4: What are you doing?
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Speaker 21: So I'm really proud to say that that Waverley Council
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Speaker 21: has really led to all councils around Australia on this
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Speaker 21: particular issue. We've launched a model strategy to combat anti
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Speaker 21: Semitism for local councils and it really is a landmark document.
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Speaker 21: It builds upon the work that we've already done at
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Speaker 21: Waverly in coming up with a strategy and to be
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Speaker 21: then implementing that strategy. And what the document goes through
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Speaker 21: at a higher level is defining what antisemitism is. If
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Speaker 21: you can't define what antisemitism is, you can't fix anti semitism.
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Speaker 21: And so that the document talks about the IRA definition
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Speaker 21: and the councils should adopt that IRA definition and then
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Speaker 21: go through practical steps and measures that councils can be
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Speaker 21: taking with their local communities in dealing with antisemitism. And
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Speaker 21: I really want to stress that antisemitism isn't a Jewish issue.
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Speaker 21: It really is an issue for all of Australians and
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Speaker 21: it takes all three levels of government to work together
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Speaker 21: in order to cognate that. And so this kind of
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Speaker 21: strategy to local government levels that brings in together that
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Speaker 21: framework and hopefully we can get a lot of collaboration
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Speaker 21: and corporation around Australia from the five hundred plus councils.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, good on you and taking leadership on this issue.
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Speaker 3: Will now Mish, thank you very much for your time
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Speaker 3: and we'll back in a moment after this quick break. Well,
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Speaker 3: thank you for your company this week, and I hope
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Speaker 3: you have a lovely and safe weekend. If you're in
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Speaker 3: Sydney then unfortunately you're going to have to steer clear
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Speaker 3: of Bondi on Sunday. Whether pro Palestinian rally we were
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Speaker 3: just speaking about is planned.
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Speaker 4: I think this is deeply disappointing on.
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Speaker 3: Father's Day and at the start of spring where we're
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Speaker 3: finally seeing some sunshine.
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Speaker 4: I mean, already the city in Melbourne and Sydney.
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Speaker 3: On no go zones on the weekend because of these rallies.
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Speaker 3: Now Bondi Beach a no go zone. You're not going
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Speaker 3: to want to visit a cafe there on Father's Day.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is just terrible. I really hope the News, others,
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Speaker 3: police and the government put a stop to this because
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Speaker 3: it's just too much at this point. I'll see you
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Speaker 3: on Monday at eight, and don't miss the show because
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Speaker 3: former Prime Minister John Howard will be here to speak
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Speaker 3: about the Albanesi government's reckless decision on Palestinian recognition.
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Speaker 4: I'll see you then,