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Zach Mitchell on Faith, Artistry, and Spiritual Journeys · The Scene Projects

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  Welcome in to a very exciting episode the scene.
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  I am your host, Bubba Starts, and with me today is Zach Mitchell from the Broken Warship
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  Podcast.
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  Zach, welcome to the show.
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  Thank you for having me, Bubba.
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  I'm really excited to be here.
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  I'm thrilled to have you.
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  Big fan of your show and everything that you're doing.
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  So before we before I start gushing too much, why don't you why don't you tell us a little
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  bit about, you know, your your backstory and how the podcast got started?
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  Yeah.
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  So, yeah, I'm Zach Mitchell.
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  And so the the what got, how I kinda started Broken Worship was I really got started getting
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  into the Sioux Falls, like, entertainment scene or whatever.
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  I was a vocalist of a metal band called Rebuild the Fallen.
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  We we were a band for a few years.
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  We put out a a five song EP called Outcasts, and then we we ended up playing, like, 10 local
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  shows, which was a lot of fun, but we, I kind of got older, we had our own things going on,
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  and I still wanted to pursue my mission of, well, my passion of the word, music, of my
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  words and making an impact for others, and I'm a Christian, so I try to point people to
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  Christ.
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  And I saw as I was in, especially the metal, Sioux Falls metal music world, a lot of people,
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  they have a, they have a hunger for community and for love, and a lot of people felt rejected
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  from Christianity and all that because of church trauma or judgment.
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  And I felt called to share God's love and truth in a way that is not represented very well in
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  all not that all churches are bad or anything, but I just I wanted to spread Jesus' love in a
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  way that I I felt I could do a good calling.
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  So it I before the podcast, I wrote this book called Broken Worship, which is a collection of
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  poetry.
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  I did that and did some video did a couple poetry videos.
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  And then and then so I ended up doing so I got six books.
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  I I got Broken Worship, No Darkness and Light, imperfectly spreading a perfect gospel, ground
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  to stand on, saving grace.
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  It's not about you anymore, and my faith will not be safe.
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  But anyways, in within, like, after I did, like, two books, I I started I really got into
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  the podcast world.
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  I like Joe Rogan and some Christian podcasts too, and I just, I felt like I could I wanted
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  to start something that specialized with music and with spreading god's love.
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  And so, yeah, that's kinda how it got started.
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  So
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  That's a beautiful story, Zach.
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  Obviously, you've been called by god.
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  Right?
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  You wouldn't be given this voice and and all of these words coming through you and this mission
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  if it wasn't a calling.
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  Nobody wakes up and goes, you know what?
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  I'm gonna go counter to the mainstream, you know, especially in this day and age.
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  It's not a great time to be a Christian and to be an outward Christian, especially, you know,
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  even to the point where I know on the, at the Golden Globes or whatever it was that they even
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  made a graphic out of it of how many, you know, they thanked the producers, and they thanked
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  these people and god zero times and, like, made a joke about it.
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  And I thought how disgusting.
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  And I didn't grow up in a church, Zach.
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  I I wanna share my my journey to Christ with you.
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  I've always been a spiritual person.
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  Whether I came there through a psychedelic experience or or through any of that.
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  It was really my my time in prison, right?
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  My my two years that I spent in prison and getting in the word and then getting in a
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  church and being in the full gospel because I wanted to play music, getting into the full
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  gospel band and being a part of that community and having a beautiful pastor, pastor Jan, who
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  who allowed me to walk my own path.
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  I did her bible study course, and and she was very adamant about not she was just in the
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  gospels, right?
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  It wasn't it wasn't old testament stuff.
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  It wasn't really be it wasn't Proverbs and all the other things.
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  It was just the gospels.
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  It was just the teachings of Christ according to the disciples and the gospel, right?
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  So, it it really brought me to, oh, a lot of these things and a lot of my thoughts on what
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  the church and Christianity was had been distorted by my perception of what other other
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  human beings' perception of it was and what they had built around their own churches.
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  Right?
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  And, obviously, we've all seen the the massive mega churches and all of these things and the
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  powerful speakers on stage and the and the praise and the speaking in tongues and all of
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  these things.
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  None of that resonated with me.
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  I found god in a prison cell.
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  I found god and I found Jesus and that love, that Christ love.
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  Right?
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  That agape love.
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  I found that all alone in a place where I had been shuttered away from society.
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  Right?
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  So I have a very deep and personal relationship with who I call god, and my god doesn't have to
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  be the god that you say lives in that building.
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  My god doesn't live in a building.
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  How how small thinking.
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  What human could how and I hate that I say he a lot.
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  Right?
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  Because we're so silly.
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  And I personify this energy and this feeling like god is some man in the clouds.
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  Right?
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  What a ridiculous thought.
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  God is energy.
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  God is love.
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  Love is energy.
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  Right?
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  And that's that's my journey.
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  And I say that this podcasting is how god is speaking through us every day with people that
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  I don't even know if they're Christians.
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  Right?
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  And I don't I don't necessarily care.
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  And I don't necessarily care that listeners of this aren't Christians and and aren't, you
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  know, don't have the same beliefs in what god is to me.
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  I know in my heart, not in my mind, in my heart and soul who God is to me.
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  What God is to me.
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  What Christ was teaching us.
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  The, you know, and without getting down some rabbit holes of the thirty three thirty three
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  vertebrae and the, you know, the kind of, you know, what it could mean.
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  I do believe that, you know, Jesus was a real person, but I also think that it was only
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  because it was a physical embodiment of something that they couldn't that that god that
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  this energy couldn't teach us otherwise.
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  And what a great job it has done, right, to give us these things.
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  I just think that anything that is of man can be corrupted by man.
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  And that's why church in the, in the kind of, you know, the mainstream sense of it never
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  resonated with me.
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  It was never big enough to encapsulate what I believed in as god.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, when you're speaking about prison, it brought me back last week, I was talking with a
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  vet, and he he I he we're we're friends on Facebook, and he asked me, you know, I'd like
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  to talk sit down and talk with you sometime because, you know, I have PTSD and, like, I I
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  just you think I he wants to have faith.
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  He does, but he's lost it.
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  And he just asked me, like, where do where would you start in the bible?
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  And I I said, you know, I think the most important thing is to I said, you know, I would
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  it's a big book and there's a lot to it.
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  I would say, just start with the words of Jesus.
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  And I also said, you know, I you've obviously lived a lot more life than I have.
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  I've had my struggles, but I I said it's alright to be angry with God.
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  There's a there's a story in the old testament where so where god allowed someone to wrestle
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  with him.
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  Not that he thought that not that he god was gonna lose or whatever, but he allowed a I
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  believe that God wants the real you.
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  And I think I I try to call Christians to go back to the fundamentals of the greatest
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  commandment, which is loving God with all that you are and loving your neighbor as yourself.
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  All the all the God all all the commandments are summed up by that.
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  It's pretty simple.
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  We less of us and more of God, and and so that's where I'm at.
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  So
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  The native Americans of our of the land that we live on.
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  Right?
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  The the ancient peoples, the the ancestral peoples of this place that we now call home.
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  You know, I'm in South Dakota as well.
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  They say, And the natives over the entire breath of The United States and probably into
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  Mexico as well all have very similar sayings, very even very similar in the pronunciation of
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  it.
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  Right?
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  So this thought that we are all related is what it means.
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  Right?
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  That thought is not something that came from the Christian faith.
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  Right?
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  That that that was already there.
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  It was and that's beyond just human beings.
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  We are related to the animal nation.
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  We are related to the plant nation.
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  We must treat this mother Earth the same way that we would treat our own children or our own
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  mother or our own father.
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  Right?
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  And and something that you hit on there is that, it's it's okay to be angry at god.
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  It's okay to be angry.
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  It's figuring out how to transmute that energy because God is energy.
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  Right?
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  And the longer that they try to disprove God with science, the more that they prove the
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  existence of God through science, that it's okay because god is not up here.
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  Anger is such a a visceral human emotion.
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  Right, Zach?
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  We feel it, and it's a thought.
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  And it's a thought, but God isn't up here.
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  God is right here.
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  God is inside of our heart.
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  God is inside of our spirit.
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  It it is around us, and that's why we are taught that it's okay to be angry.
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  It's it's figuring out through these teachings how do you transmute that energy?
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  How do you bring that energy through the whole walk of Christ and then throughout the top of
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  your crown and through these things and to transmute that energy back into love.
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  That is what god is.
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  That is the walk of Christ.
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  That is the teachings of Christ.
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  And not that I'm some preacher or anything, but I'm out here walking it every single day, and
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  I'm just having conversations with my friends.
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  If someone else wants to listen to this conversation and be moved by it, then that is
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  their own personal journey, Zach.
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  And that's what I love about your writing these books and you're on the podcast and you're
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  sharing your story and you're sharing all of this.
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  You're sharing god.
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  This is how god is speaking.
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  This is how god is healing the world through technology and through these things because
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  each one of us sharing that expression of god, right?
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  We are all, if we are all built in that image, in that likeness, then we are all the we are
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  all required to share our experience with one another so that we may know God.
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  We may know God through knowing each other.
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  Amen.
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  Yeah.
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  There's a lot of truth in that.
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  I, yeah, I I definitely agree.
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  So
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  And I and I I already knew that.
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  Right?
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  And we do know that because we are walking in this.
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  You wouldn't have this podcast and be putting yourself out there if you didn't believe that
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  to be true.
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  Right?
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  You're not gonna go and start a podcast talking about broken people and and broken faith and
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  people who have have lost their way but want to call you wouldn't do this to get famous.
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  You're not in a podcast to to make some kind of name for yourself.
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  You're doing it because you're called, obviously.
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  Obviously.
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  And and I'm saying this without ego to it, without any of that nonsense because, like, we
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  are walking in it, Zach, every single day.
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  I have multiple conversations, and I jump in these different groups and things.
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  I am not planning any of this.
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  I am merely waking up.
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  I pray on my altar, and my god might be different than yours.
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  My god doesn't require me to go to a church and to use water to bless myself with a with a, you
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  know, what are they what are they called?
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  The genuflection.
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  Right?
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  My my god my god speaks through sage and and Palo Santo and the smells of and the sights and
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  the feeling of my altar and in those quiet, quiet moments and in my reading of my books.
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  And I've read all the words of the Christian bible.
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  I would really like to learn Greek and to be able to read the the Bible, as it's been
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  brought to us now in the original Greek text.
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  Right?
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  Reading a lot of this because I think so much of it gets lost in translation.
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  And that's why we have even those who call themselves Christians, right, and who have gone
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  to church their whole life, I believe that's why the some of them have strayed so far away
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  because the the language has been corrupted.
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  Right?
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  And to to make it seem as if these words mean something that they don't.
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  And it's why the Christian faith and the words and the KJV may not speak with everyone because
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  they've been corrupted by the thoughts of man and not necessarily by the words of God.
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  Yeah.
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  So I I would I've experienced miracles from God.
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  I I was born with the speech impediment, and I wasn't even supposed to be able to speak.
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  But my parents' faith and hard work, I went through speech therapy, and I went from, like,
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  my professionals try to tell my parents to teach me sign language to, I was screaming on
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  stage in a metal band and now I'm sharing my words through my poetry and writing.
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  So I believe in miracles and I do personally believe in the God of the Bible, I just, I know
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  so many people fall victim to self and to like selfish ways.
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  We see that in the corruption of government, all the wealthy business leaders, ego.
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  And I think, I truly try to live my life loving God and loving people.
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  It's I think it's a simple it's not easy, but it's simple.
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  Right.
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  Right.
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  The the path is very hard, but it's very it's very simple.
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  And it's hard because of our human traits.
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  It's hard because of ego.
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  It's hard because people don't like to take accountability for their own actions and their
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  own choices.
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  And they're they're so it's very hard to get out of their own way.
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  Right?
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  It was very hard for me.
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  Zach, I've been I've been alive for thirty eight years.
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  I'll be 39 in May.
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  It took me a really long time to work through this.
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  I haven't been in prison for eight years.
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  Right?
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  Nine years.
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  It's been a long time since I was there, and I'm just coming around to a lot of these a lot
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  of the knowing that I gained has been in the last few months because I see miracles every
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  day.
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  And I think that everyone sees miracles every day.
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  What are why what everyone has faith.
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  What makes you think that you're going to wake up every night when you lay your head down to
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  go to sleep?
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  What makes you think and what makes you believe that you are going to wake up?
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  Faith.
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  Nothing other than that.
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  Nothing other than that can make you have that feeling that if I lay down and I close my eyes
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  in this place and I stay here, that I am going to be here when I open my eyes again.
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  What is that besides faith?
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  So when I hear someone say that they don't have any faith, well, that's just not true.
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  And if you're going to lie to yourself every day and to live that lie and to operate in that
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  thing, well, it's gonna take some time then to undo all of that to get to a place where you
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  not only have faith in in the greater god that's around you and surrounding us, but that
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  you would have faith in yourself to be that same creator for your own life.
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  And that's really the teaching teachings of Christ is that, yeah, not only do you have to
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  have faith in God, but you could create all of these things.
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  Why are you asking me for miracles when you could do them yourself?
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  That's what Jesus was trying to teach them.
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  Why do you keep asking me to perform miracles for you when you yourself could go do them?
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  You are capable of all of these things that I am capable of.
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  I am not any different than you.
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  I am man as well.
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  You are sons of God.
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  You are daughters of God.
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  We are all God.
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  Well and I think, I think it well, my biggest, Jesus taught and showed humility and self
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  sacrifice, and I believe and this is lacking in the Christian, in a lot of Christianity, we're
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  not seeing humble pastors.
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  We're not seeing humble humble we're seeing churches get richer, try by getting more and
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  more people in, and we're not seeing a bunch of self sacrifice, putting your, lifting up your
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  neighbor.
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  We're trying to make ourselves as rich and famous as possible.
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  And, we're we we see in this Christian nation, we're seeing a lot of eagles in yourself.
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  Well, and and I think that it's very easy, and people are gonna look at us, and there's going
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  to be people that watch this episode and be like, how dare they?
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  Look at the listen to the blasphemy of these people.
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  He said he was god.
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  No.
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  I said we are god.
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  If you listen and listen with your heart to the words that are coming out of my mouth, I don't
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  these are not my thoughts.
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  This is what has been taught to us.
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  And I'm not telling you things that I know up here.
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  I'm telling you things that I know right here.
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  I'm telling you things because they have it has happened to me.
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  It happens to me every day.
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  Zach, I'd love to share a quick story with you.
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  I, I go on long walks every day.
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  That's kind of my thing.
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  I like to walk two two miles at least a day.
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  That's kind of the goal.
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  And, yesterday, I woke up way too early.
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  And, you know, I was up at, like, 03:30, 3AM.
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  What a what a fantastic time to arise in the morning.
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  But, I went for a earlier walk, and I had a friend contacted me, and we were just talking
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  on the phone, and the sun was yet coming up, and I didn't make my usual turn.
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  Right?
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  I didn't make the loop that I usually do.
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  I just kept going.
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  And as I'm walking and I'm looking around and I'm checking my surroundings and I'm checking
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  the clock because I like to be there when my wife and children leave in the morning so that
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  I can hug and kiss them.
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  And I I was kinda like, man, we're getting pretty far away.
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  Like, we better turn around.
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  We have to turn around soon if we're going to, you know, make it back.
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  I was thinking I could make a different loop, and that path wasn't quite there.
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  And I looked down, and I don't know if you know, like, the little garden not a sculpture,
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  but, like, a little metal, you know, ornament.
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  Right?
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  And, Zach, I looked down, and there's a little metal butterfly on the road right in that
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  space.
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  And I said, well, then it is definitely time to turn around.
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  And those are the signs.
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  And, Zach, I got back to the same place that I always watch the sun come up on my regular
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  walks.
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  And right as I got there, the first rays of the sun are crusting the horizon.
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  And I arrived back home with ten minutes to spend with my wife and children, and, like,
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  those are miracles.
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  The acknowledging those as miracles is the is the very basic step.
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  I have had my life physically saved.
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  Physically saved.
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  Zach, I was doing 80 miles an hour.
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  I've been smoking meth for days on the way back from Reno with 20 pounds of pot in the back of
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  the Tahoe.
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  My my passenger asleep in the passenger seat with me, and I went off the road.
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  I woke up when strips.
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  I came to as I hit the rumble strips, and I had just enough presence of mind to not overcorrect
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  the wheel and to not go through the reflector, but to just miss it, and the reflector clipped
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  off my side mirror.
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  My side mirror that's this big, Zach, I should have been dead, but god saved me that day.
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  And I wasn't smart enough to listen to him then.
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  I made it home.
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  I sold all that pot.
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  I made a bunch of money.
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  And you know what I did?
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  I was trying to go right back there.
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  And I had been home smoking meth the whole time then for another couple of days.
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  Right?
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  And I had left.
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  I had left town, Zach.
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  I had already left.
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  Well, I got to Gillette, realized I didn't have my debit card went.
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  We gotta turn around.
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  Turned around.
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  Came back.
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  Smoke some more meth.
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  Left.
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  It was at that point on the way back out of town that time that we were pulled over.
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  And I didn't have all the pot on me then.
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  I was going out to pick it up.
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  But God said, child, if you won't listen, then I will make you listen.
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  And he sat me down.
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  And even then, I didn't wanna listen.
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  Right?
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  Even then.
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  And when they came and raided my house a few days later and they found five pounds of pot
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  and and some more, you know, you know, wax, right, the the concentrates.
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  And and they they, I thought I was going to jail then.
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  Right?
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  I I'm in my kitchen going, take me.
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  They said this that's not how it's gonna work.
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  They left me.
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  And out on bail, I sat for four months, you know, while they were like, oh, well, he'll
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  turn in some meth dealer or this or that.
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  I didn't know any to begin with, but it's not in my place to, command someone else's journey
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  in that way.
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  And, I went to Mexico, and I was in Mexico for a year.
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  And God allowed me to go on that journey so that I could be humbled, so that I could go see
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  how people in other areas were living their lives.
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  And and and, obviously, if you don't know about, about Mexico, but they are very
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  Catholic.
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  Right?
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  They are a very religious a very religious, culture and peoples, and I was humbled by the
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  love that we were shown.
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  We we should have never I I was treated with the the greatest grace that I've ever received
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  in my life by these people.
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  My son was born there.
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  My daughter was conceived there, and it was at that point that that god told me that it's time
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  to go home.
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  It's time to go back and and and you need to go and to be now that you've been humbled, you
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  need to go settle your debt, and you need to go and fix your life for the sake of these
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  children.
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  And I didn't know then that he was setting me on this path now, but I do now know that this
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  is my this is my path to walk.
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  Right?
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  And I say that it's to start a million podcasters because I believe, Zach, with
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  everything inside of me that this is how God is speaking.
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  God doesn't speak with a great voice from above and say, listen to me.
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  No.
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  He sends other human beings.
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  He sends other expressions of himself that you will listen to and that will speak to your
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  heart to heal you so that you may go and heal others.
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  And that's why I'm so incredibly proud of you.
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  And I know we're just meeting here right now, but I'm so incredibly proud of you for living
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  in this.
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  You've been living in it your whole life, and you've been sharing it.
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  These books that are coming through you, you are a vessel, and podcasts are the vessel to
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  take this message out to the rest of the world.
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  Right?
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  And I'm just I I admire you, and I respect you, and I love you so much for what you are giving
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  to the world, and you are a lighthouse.
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  Right?
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  You are a beacon in a place that most people, especially in the community that you are in,
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  right, in the metal music and being in those places.
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  But even when you were there that you realized that people were hungry for god there.
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  They were hungry for community.
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  They were hungry to not be alone.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Thank you.
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  And I, you have an incredible story as well.
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  You going from math and all almost losing your life to now you're you're a you you have a
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  podcast award winner.
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  Like, that's so thank you for what you're doing.
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  Well, we haven't won yet, but we got nominated.
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  And even that, Zach, feels really good.
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  So thank you.
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  Yeah.
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  I just I I I feel blessed.
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  I I we met we got into oh, met or became connected from my last podcast episode with
• 29:31
  interviewing my our mutual friend, Sean, and and then I I I you opened a whole new world for
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  seeing for me about fellow little podcasters.
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  And so that's really encouraging.
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  And I wanna just thank you for, what you're doing as well.
• 29:52
  Zach, why don't you tell everybody how they can find, all your stuff?
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  If you got a website where the books are available for sale and the podcast and
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  everything, why don't you go ahead and tell us all how we can find you?
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  Yeah.
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  So I have a website, which is the easiest way to find things.
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  It's www.brokenworship.com.
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  My podcast is available on YouTube and Spotify.
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  I know on the Broken Worship page, it has tabs to the podcast.
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  It has tabs to my spoken word poetry videos.
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  It has all the books available as long as as well as Broken Worship merch and on there, it
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  has a contact tab if you want to reach out and talk with me.
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  I'd love to hear your story as well to anyone listening.
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  So, thank you.
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  Zach, I I'm incredibly blessed to to know you and to be friends now.
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  And Yeah.
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  Anything that we can ever do to help you on your journey, you feel free to reach out to me.
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  Okay, buddy?
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  Thank you.
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  I'm definitely excited for our starting our friendship.
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  So thank you.
• 31:10
  Zach Mitchell, thanks for being part of the scene.
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