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All Roles Will Be Played By Lea DeLaria · Like a Virgin

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna be what executive producers, Yeah, but silent,
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Speaker 1: I have a pseudonym. I'll do rewrites and punch ups.
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Speaker 1: Robert g Yeah, Yeah. Executive produced by Robert We are
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Speaker 1: back with another Halloween Super Special, Bonus, Tricker, treat Um, Extravaganza,
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Speaker 1: Palusa episode, all of those things, all of them. This
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Speaker 1: week we're gonna be talking about that. What I'm doing
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Speaker 1: a drum roll. The Rocky Horror Picture Show one of
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Speaker 1: the best movies ever made. That's true. It's it's true
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Speaker 1: that it's I would even say it's like one of
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Speaker 1: the greatest cultural contributions ever made. Yeah, certainly for me.
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Speaker 1: And we will get into my origin story with Rocky
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Speaker 1: Horror France origin story and talk about what it meant
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Speaker 1: to us, why it's so good, why it may or
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Speaker 1: may not be viable to revisit um through a contemporary lens,
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Speaker 1: because this is like a virgin the show where we
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Speaker 1: give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm rost damn you,
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Speaker 1: and I'm fran Toronto. Touch a touch A touch a
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Speaker 1: touch me. I want to be dudey she really got
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Speaker 1: that falsetto. And by that falsetto, I mean, her voice
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Speaker 1: is so thin that that's all she gets pretty much.
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Speaker 1: Must I want to set the scene for you. I
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Speaker 1: want to take you back in time. It is okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm eleven years old. Okay, I have just gotten my
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Speaker 1: braces on and I am in unimaginable pain. For some reason,
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Speaker 1: getting them on has just hit me harder than it
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Speaker 1: hits a lot of people. And I like can't get
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Speaker 1: out of bed. She's down back because I am in
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Speaker 1: so much pain. God. I tell my mom, Mom, I
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Speaker 1: need something to watch, and she's going to Costco with
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Speaker 1: my X step dad and she says, okay, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to bring you home. Some new VHS is bring And
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Speaker 1: when she comes home later, she says, you know, I
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Speaker 1: saw this and I thought you would like it. And
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Speaker 1: you know what she brought me? What did she bring
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Speaker 1: your rose? She brought me a VHS copy of The
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Speaker 1: Rocky Horror Picture Show. And over that weekend of torment,
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Speaker 1: with my teeth adjusting to being braced, I watched The
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Speaker 1: Rocky Horror Picture Show. I'm going to say upwards of
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Speaker 1: ten times, just over and over and over again. And honestly,
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Speaker 1: that anecdote perfectly distills the fact that the movie didn't
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Speaker 1: ands you to watch it again, like it is a
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Speaker 1: It is a film with like cathartic slapstick, really like
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Speaker 1: satisfying moments that I don't know, make you feel seen
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Speaker 1: as an outsider in any degree. It has musical numbers,
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Speaker 1: It has an absolutely bizarre ending that like totally discards
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Speaker 1: the movie in general, Like everything about it is rewatchable.
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Speaker 1: And I know, I say a lot on this podcast,
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Speaker 1: we talk a lot about think, we talk a lot
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Speaker 1: about formative pop culture and formative media. I would say
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Speaker 1: this is one of the things that really helped me
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Speaker 1: construct my own idea of myself and my taste and um,
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Speaker 1: my point of view and um, this movie is very
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Speaker 1: important to me. It's one that I have revisited time
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Speaker 1: and time again. I threw a rocky horror picture show
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Speaker 1: rave once when I was throwing parties. Um. And you know,
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Speaker 1: this is obviously not a singular experience. This is a
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Speaker 1: movie that is important to so many people. I mean
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Speaker 1: many generations, like so many different generations of this, especially
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Speaker 1: queer people, because this movie is so queer your t M.
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Speaker 1: And also, I would say the definition of a cult classic,
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Speaker 1: like the cult classic, when did you first see it,
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Speaker 1: and I think you were telling me you've only ever
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Speaker 1: seen it once. I think so, So here's the just
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Speaker 1: here's the discrims. I was trying to do some timelining
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Speaker 1: and like look on my Facebook to see if I
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Speaker 1: could not on your Facebook, because I was trying to figure,
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Speaker 1: um what I was when I saw this. Um but
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Speaker 1: the the Rocky Horror first came to me through Perks
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Speaker 1: of Being a Wallflower, which was a book that like
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Speaker 1: broke my whole world open. It was among the first
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Speaker 1: cultural objects to secularize my taste and for me to
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Speaker 1: see that the world of sin was the world for me,
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Speaker 1: and um like a lot of pop culture um it,
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Speaker 1: you know, really showcases rocky horror. Like Rocky Horror is
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Speaker 1: a big part of that story, and so my curiosity
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Speaker 1: led me to the movie and like all the kind
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Speaker 1: of things that come with it, because there's a lot
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Speaker 1: that comes with it, right. It started as a stage
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Speaker 1: play in London. It was released in seventy and then
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Speaker 1: was a critical flop, but it immediately pretty quickly, rather
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Speaker 1: not immediately, but pretty quickly, found a cult following that
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Speaker 1: would um yes, as a midnight movie that would then
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Speaker 1: turn it into like a national phenomenon where it screened
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Speaker 1: across theaters any time a year, especially on Halloween something.
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Speaker 1: It was. Everything was screened. It was screened weekly. I've
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Speaker 1: been to see the most most, I think regularly. It
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Speaker 1: was screened at what used to be Chelsea Cinemas UM
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Speaker 1: in Chelsea, I think the movie theater that's now the
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Speaker 1: Cinema Mark, and they used to play it every Friday
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Speaker 1: night at midnight Friday night or Saturday night. UM, and
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Speaker 1: I went a couple of times UM in college. UM
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Speaker 1: midnight screenings are. The hallmark of them is that they
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Speaker 1: have a cast who perform the musical UM in front
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Speaker 1: of the screen as it's going on. And then there's
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Speaker 1: also a long history of audience participation. There are you know,
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Speaker 1: callouts that are are now like uh, you know part
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Speaker 1: of legend that you know, the there are things that
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Speaker 1: the fans know to say while the movie is happening. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So for any virgins out there, and if you haven't
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Speaker 1: seen the Rocky Horror Picture Show, I don't know how
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Speaker 1: you found this podcast, but if you haven't seen it,
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Speaker 1: Rocky Horror Picture Show was created written by Richard O'Brien,
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Speaker 1: who some of you may know from things like He
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Speaker 1: Was the Villain and ever After, which we talked about recently.
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Speaker 1: It's about a young couple who are very square umm
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Speaker 1: yes um Brad and Janet played by Susan Surrandon Barry Bostwick.
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Speaker 1: They get engaged at the beginning of the film and
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Speaker 1: uh decided to go tell their old teacher that they're
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Speaker 1: engaged because they want to share the happy news with him.
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Speaker 1: A storm happens and they wind up at this spooky
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Speaker 1: castle where a party is going on, presided over by
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Speaker 1: Frankenfurd Dr frankenford Or, who is a trans sexual transvestite
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Speaker 1: from Transylvania, and it turns out he is actually an
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Speaker 1: alien um. He is a reanimating a bunch of corpses
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Speaker 1: into the perfect man. Everyone's fucking and sucking. There's lots
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Speaker 1: of musical numbers, and meat Loaf is there and I
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Speaker 1: forgot that beat is there. It is fun for the
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Speaker 1: whole family, except well America would not deem it quote
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Speaker 1: unquote family friendly but for our family, for my chosen family,
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Speaker 1: friendly for my Chosen Family by Rina sa Yama I
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Speaker 1: Chosen Family. So I will say this movie when I
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Speaker 1: first watched it really captured my imagination. I was a
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Speaker 1: little queer kid who didn't know they were queer or like,
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Speaker 1: didn't really understand what form their queerness was taking. I
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Speaker 1: only knew that I was weird, and that is what
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Speaker 1: I latched onto in this movie was the ecstasy of
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Speaker 1: being a fucking freak, which is I think what this
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Speaker 1: movie is at its core about. It's also really referential
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Speaker 1: of B horror movies that are they're all referenced in
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Speaker 1: the opening theme song Science Fiction Double Feature. Um, I
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Speaker 1: didn't get any of that when I was a kid.
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Speaker 1: I didn't get any of the Red for instance. I
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Speaker 1: didn't really understand the legacy of this movie. I just
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Speaker 1: understood that it was about being a freak, and I
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Speaker 1: wanted to be that kind of freak. Yeah, it is
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Speaker 1: exactly that. And I think that like Bred and Janet
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Speaker 1: are essentially corrupted right by Frankenfurter and his like exactly
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Speaker 1: it's about liberation but also corruption, and they're kind of
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Speaker 1: reticence or fear around this kind of transvestite. Is it
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Speaker 1: supposed to be like a convention almost like this party
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Speaker 1: that's happening at the castle or whatever. Yeah, there, he's
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Speaker 1: he's brought all of his you know, Transylvanian Contemporaries over
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Speaker 1: to see transsexual Comma Pennsylvania to see you know this
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Speaker 1: being he's created, and like watch his mastery of science
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Speaker 1: right and Tim Curry is the moment like this was
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Speaker 1: his breakout role. Shockingly, like he was, um the originator
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Speaker 1: of I guess the stage play, and he would go
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Speaker 1: on to do so many fucking weird ass roles somebody.
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Speaker 1: He's been in literally every sector of culture, and especially
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Speaker 1: if like camp t M is present, because Tim Curry
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Speaker 1: knows how to do a kind of like straightforward, like
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Speaker 1: kind of performance of camp. But like, but also the
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Speaker 1: thing that I think sets Rocky Horror apart from a
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Speaker 1: lot of movies that we would compare it to is
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Speaker 1: how sexy it is. Everyone in this movie is the
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Speaker 1: hottest they have ever been. Yeah, actually this movie is
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Speaker 1: it definitely the I think some of the scenes that
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Speaker 1: like really awakened my adolescent sexuality, um are when Frankenfurter
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Speaker 1: goes to visit both Brad and Janet in their rooms
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Speaker 1: and they both fucking I remember being scanned, alt, I
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Speaker 1: remember being aroused bisexual representation essentially or pan sexual or
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Speaker 1: who knows he's I mean it's funny. I think that
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Speaker 1: this movie is kind of lauded as something like deeply By,
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Speaker 1: but I personally think it's like more queer pan, not
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Speaker 1: that that really matters, but like and also, my god,
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Speaker 1: the Byes are going to be so mad at me
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Speaker 1: for saying that. Honestly, Like I'm a raising By. I
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Speaker 1: think it's a very By movie. Just it is a
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Speaker 1: very By movie. As a bisexual, I claim that it's
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Speaker 1: so hot and you watch Brad and Janet come into
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Speaker 1: their sexuality. I mean there's the whole song Touched Me
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Speaker 1: where Susan Surrandon is just like, oh, I want to fuck,
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Speaker 1: And it's funny because like her voice is like barely.
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Speaker 1: They're like, but she's still so good. And I think
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Speaker 1: Susan Surrandon was like terrified of singing in public, like
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Speaker 1: as an actress, and this was like really challenging for her,
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Speaker 1: but like you can't tell it all, Like she's so good.
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Speaker 1: She's this movie, I think more than any movie ever
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Speaker 1: made Fox. It really does. And I think that sexual
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Speaker 1: irreverence that you're alluding to is something that's really missing
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Speaker 1: from a lot of their movies that are inspired by
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Speaker 1: it or um or like reference it, like, you know,
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Speaker 1: Beetle Juice is very horny, but I was just like,
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Speaker 1: when I was watching, I was like, oh, Beetle Juice
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Speaker 1: borrowed a lot from Rocky Horror, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: Like there are tropes that exist from Rocky Horror that
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Speaker 1: I think are now in a lot of future kind
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Speaker 1: of horror camp classics, um. But at the same time,
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Speaker 1: Rocky Horror was in and of itself trying to uh
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Speaker 1: put a spin on existing cliches. It's like it also
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Speaker 1: regard it also is trying to be legitimately, uh a
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Speaker 1: horror sci fi movie. Like there are parts of it
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Speaker 1: that I actually think are kind of scary, and you know,
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Speaker 1: I think it straddles the line between knowing camp and
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Speaker 1: accidental camp, and that it is reveling in its own campus.
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Speaker 1: But it also is trying to be what it's saying
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Speaker 1: it is, which is, you know, a sci fi film,
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Speaker 1: a sci fi musical, um, and all of those elements
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Speaker 1: just work so well together in a way that I
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Speaker 1: don't think anything else since except maybe something like Okay,
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Speaker 1: I would say the sort of sexless version of Rocky
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Speaker 1: Horror is um Little Shop of Horrors. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I've never seen it, but I know, yeah, it's you know,
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Speaker 1: Little Shop is romantic where Rocky horror Fox exactly literally Fox.
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Speaker 1: And I also think that, um, the raw sexual energy
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Speaker 1: in it to me is so radical because of like
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Speaker 1: our very first reactions to it, Like there's something like
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Speaker 1: holy scandalizing and all at the same time arousing when
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Speaker 1: you watch it, no matter what gender or orientation you are.
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Speaker 1: And I think that it's because this movie has like
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Speaker 1: now mainstream appeal because of its cult classic like Allure.
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Speaker 1: You will see sisht people talk about this movie and
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Speaker 1: talk about loving it or talking about how it made
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Speaker 1: them question their sexuality or things like that. And like, well,
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Speaker 1: just frankenfurn In and of himself. The fact that this
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Speaker 1: fem presenting man, transvestite, whatever, this person, this gender deviant
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Speaker 1: who's anything and everything can be the sex symbol that
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Speaker 1: this film revolves around, and a sex symbol that is
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Speaker 1: endured for generations to both queer and hat people alike,
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Speaker 1: is so powerful. Yeah, And like in this in seventy five,
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Speaker 1: we did not have this conversation about like mad the
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Speaker 1: appeal of mainstream like gender fluidity, right, I mean, we
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Speaker 1: were kind of starting to have it with David Bowie,
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Speaker 1: and I don't think this movie could exist without David Bowie,
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Speaker 1: which I when we were reading about this film, I
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Speaker 1: found out that the makeup artist Pierre LaRouche, who did
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Speaker 1: the makeup for Rocky Horror, was the makeup artist who
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Speaker 1: did the iconic light people on bowie S face period. Amazing.
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Speaker 1: I know this is like cliche to say, but it
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Speaker 1: really was ahead of its time in so many different
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Speaker 1: ahead of its time, but also is very much of
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Speaker 1: its time. Yeah, I think that that really. I want
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Speaker 1: to know why you think that. I think what I
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Speaker 1: when I was watching it, like the word TRANSVESTI I
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Speaker 1: think is like very of this time, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean. The idea of transnis or how people were
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Speaker 1: talking about fluidity I think is encapsulated really well in
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Speaker 1: this in this movie. I think it's of it. I
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Speaker 1: think it's of its time for a couple of different reasons.
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Speaker 1: Ends One is the time period at seven. Um, we
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Speaker 1: know that culture kind of works in these twenty cycles,
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Speaker 1: so the seventies looking back at the fifties like that
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Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Um, it's the same kind
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Speaker 1: of thing you see with Greece. Greece is also the
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Speaker 1: seventies looking back at the fifties from obviously a different
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Speaker 1: point of view, which the guy that plays Brad originated
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Speaker 1: the lead in Greece. Oh, Barry Boss right, that's cool.
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Speaker 1: I used to I had such a crush on him
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Speaker 1: and his little tidy whities. Um. I also think it's
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Speaker 1: very of its time for all the reasons we've said
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Speaker 1: it's you know, it was the first time where people
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Speaker 1: like Bowie, these like gender less icons were really at
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Speaker 1: the forefront of pop culture. But not even just Bowie.
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Speaker 1: I think this was the era where rock and roll
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Speaker 1: was really progressive in a way that it hadn't been before.
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Speaker 1: This was the era of you know, like seventies, not
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Speaker 1: glam rock. That's yeah, this is the era of seventies
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Speaker 1: glam rocks and so and Frankenfurd is a villain who
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Speaker 1: is a rock star. And that's why I think it's
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Speaker 1: I think about so specifically of its time. I mean
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Speaker 1: the way that he enters the movie, the way he
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Speaker 1: enters the movie is like he's a rock, He's like Jagger. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he's like Jagger, Yeah, and he's got que Christina. Um yeah,
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Speaker 1: I um it's funny because I I um, I never
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Speaker 1: I never made that connection. That's so so um, I'm
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Speaker 1: so glad you said that. I feel like there is
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Speaker 1: a world where like um, and that's why, like me,
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Speaker 1: that's why meat Loaf is in the movie. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's it's this is a rock this is a rock musical.
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Speaker 1: This music musicals of the time. You know, this was
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Speaker 1: the era of like Rogers and Hammerstein, and you know
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Speaker 1: it's like like all the kind of classic musicals and
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Speaker 1: I guess hair we had hair, but apparently this was
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Speaker 1: like very much an outlier for musicals. Apparently it also
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Speaker 1: wasn't written like that. Um immediately that like, when they
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Speaker 1: wrote the movie version, they had caught a lot of
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Speaker 1: the songs, but then the script they wrote was only
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Speaker 1: like forty minutes long, and so they were like, we
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Speaker 1: need more like music and dance sequences. And the songs
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Speaker 1: are so good. I mean, the time warp is obviously iconic,
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't in the first cut, the first draft
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Speaker 1: science fiction double feature. Those lips, um, that mouth that
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Speaker 1: belongs to the actress who plays Magenta. Um, you know,
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Speaker 1: meat Loaf's number is great. I thought met Low. I
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Speaker 1: think I still think meat Loaf is really hot in
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Speaker 1: this movie. Um, I don't even remember. I watched it
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Speaker 1: so long ago. I don't even remember his presence in
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Speaker 1: the film. I only reremembered it from researching it. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: I guess Sweet transvest I is a banger. I love
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Speaker 1: Planet Shmanett Janet, which is the song that happens as
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Speaker 1: Frankenfurter is chasing Janet through the house. Um, touch a touch,
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Speaker 1: A touch me, don't dream it be it. I think
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Speaker 1: it is like an aphorism that will transcend century, wild
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Speaker 1: and untamed thing. I mean, it's just it's so good.
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Speaker 1: Your O'Brien is a genius. There also there so there
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Speaker 1: was a sequel to Rocky Horror called Shock Treatment that
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Speaker 1: was not as when it came out. It just like
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Speaker 1: it never achieved the kind of cult status moment I
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Speaker 1: I it wasn't. It was in theater. There were no
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Speaker 1: DVDs then, um, and it has had um, you know,
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Speaker 1: different theatrical runs. I saw it on Broadway, UM when
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Speaker 1: I was a teenager. It was at Circle in the Square,
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Speaker 1: and my grandparents when I was a kid, used to
19:34
Speaker 1: bring my brother and I into the city and would
19:36
Speaker 1: take us two shows. That's how I saw Phantom of
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Speaker 1: the opera and you get your gun, and you know,
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Speaker 1: they wanted to take us to a show, and I
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Speaker 1: insisted on Rocky Horror, and like they were very much
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Speaker 1: like no, and I was like, I will cry and
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Speaker 1: scream until you get us tickets to see the show.
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Speaker 1: That sounds familiar. Um, I'm learning a lot about how
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Speaker 1: I really have been the same woman. Let's let's be clear.
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Speaker 1: I've learned nothing. These are things that I've known. But
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Speaker 1: but I actually okay, maybe a tangent um, what did
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Speaker 1: you What did you think of? Uh? As we're talking
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Speaker 1: about things that reference or are in conversation with Rocky Horror,
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Speaker 1: did you like the Person Being wall Flower movie? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I do you did? I feel like it was one
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Speaker 1: of those rare, like actually good like book at it.
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Speaker 1: It's a really good book adaptation. I think a lot
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Speaker 1: of that is because of how involved um the writer
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Speaker 1: that he directed it, right, I mean no Ezra Miller. No,
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Speaker 1: I mean no Asur Miller. But Ezra Miller is really
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Speaker 1: good in the movie. I think it's actually maybe Ezra
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Speaker 1: Miller's best role. Although I haven't seen him. We need
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Speaker 1: to talk about I haven't seen it either. Do people
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Speaker 1: like that? Yeah? I think people like it. Yeah, okay,
20:44
Speaker 1: we should see that. I don't. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: we're not doing Sorry, I didn't mean in some ways
21:14
Speaker 1: there is some overlap with frankenfurther well okay, Um, Honestly,
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Speaker 1: Ezra would be great as bring Inferter, but would not
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Speaker 1: be my pick for I don't support a reboot in
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Speaker 1: any way, shape or form. Okay. See, I actually um disagree.
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Speaker 1: And I think that this is one of those rare
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Speaker 1: cultural objects that would have a fluency in the modern day.
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Speaker 1: And I think the story itself would benefit from a
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Speaker 1: more contemporary idea of gender deviance without being too emphas
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Speaker 1: I actually completely disagree, and and I think that so
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Speaker 1: much of what makes this movie special is that it's
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Speaker 1: not bothered by any of that, and that's why it
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Speaker 1: was so transgressive at the time and why it remains transgressive.
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Speaker 1: And it's not super concerned about defining things. And I
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Speaker 1: think any reboot of this would be so preoccupied with
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Speaker 1: defining these characters unless I wrote it, sure, um, I
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Speaker 1: and I would write it like I would love. I
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Speaker 1: just I think every time we have tried as a
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Speaker 1: culture to update or revisit Rocky Horror, it has always sucked.
22:30
Speaker 1: Well who woa wha, Well, let's not. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: think just reboots in general, like usually are in the
22:37
Speaker 1: hands of people that don't know any trans people and
22:40
Speaker 1: they're trying to have conversations about transniss. And I think
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Speaker 1: that you know, Laverne Cox playing Frank Inverter in a
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Speaker 1: live edition of whatever that nobody saw is like I
22:50
Speaker 1: feel like it like barely counts. And also like it's so,
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Speaker 1: how did you feel about Like when I heard the
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Speaker 1: announcement of like Laverne being in this, I was like,
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Speaker 1: she's gonna be awesome, like dancer, you know, Triple Threat
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Speaker 1: can really do a role like that. But I was like,
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Speaker 1: there's no way that was her idea. You know, I
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Speaker 1: didn't think any of those things, and I actually thought
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Speaker 1: it was It showed very much And this is funny
23:12
Speaker 1: considering that we were just talking about Silence of the Lambs.
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Speaker 1: It shows very much the way that the cists had
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Speaker 1: people making those decisions think about the spectrum of transmiss
23:22
Speaker 1: and that they don't think about it and they think
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Speaker 1: that a black woman is the same thing as a
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Speaker 1: transvestite who uses he him pronounce um. All that being said,
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Speaker 1: I really really really really really really really don't think
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Speaker 1: that Rocky Horror can be rebooted or should be rebooted, unless,
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Speaker 1: of course I do it. Okay, so um in fran
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Speaker 1: Toronto's Rocky Horror reboot coming to Amazon Prime. Let's say
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Speaker 1: not Amazon, Brian Bles, Okay, I want to hear who
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Speaker 1: you Okay, let's I'm gonna I think it's giving Peacock.
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Speaker 1: I think Peacock would know it is I. I you know,
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Speaker 1: I think that honestly, um uh for Franken Further, let's work.
24:11
Speaker 1: Let's work our way up there. We got we gotta start.
24:13
Speaker 1: Let's that's the hardest role, Okay, Brad and Janet. Brad
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Speaker 1: and Janet um. One of the first kind of like
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Speaker 1: normal people I was thinking of was who's the like
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Speaker 1: blonde from Riverdale who was in Hustlers who was so good?
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Speaker 1: Lily Lily Lily Reinhart would be a good Janet. But
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Speaker 1: I'm also gonna introduce the concept to you what if
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Speaker 1: they're not assists head couple? What if they're a gay
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Speaker 1: mail couple. Because that's because we have to think about
24:40
Speaker 1: how we're not only updating the cast, we're updating what
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Speaker 1: the movie is trying to say and poke at So
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Speaker 1: I think in this updated version they are a cis gay. Yeah, okay,
24:50
Speaker 1: So it's Patrick Harris and David Burton. Now they're too old. Um,
24:54
Speaker 1: you still have to be kind of young. It is
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Speaker 1: um Um Michael Jury. No, still Andrew Reynolds and still old.
25:02
Speaker 1: We gotta think we gotta twenty something gay. Andrew Reynolds
25:05
Speaker 1: is thirties, like late thirties. Yeah, Andrew Reynolds is like
25:09
Speaker 1: old like and Andrew Reynolds doesn't need to be in anything. Okay, Well,
25:14
Speaker 1: if they're assists gay, Oh it's Bowen. I actually think
25:19
Speaker 1: Bowen would be well yeah, okay, okay, I think Bone
25:22
Speaker 1: would be good as a riff raff. Um No, let
25:25
Speaker 1: me wait, I I really want to find the right game.
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Speaker 1: Definitely belongs in the rebuild. Okay, wait, um what's his name? Um?
25:33
Speaker 1: Who was in Pokemon? Oh we didn't watch um who
25:37
Speaker 1: was in Detective Pikachu? Not Um Logan Lerman? No, Justice
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Speaker 1: Smith Okay, Justice Smith as bradd the kind of stick
25:47
Speaker 1: in the mud. And then Janet's kind of liberated. And
25:51
Speaker 1: then Janet is Frankie Grande. It's actually a throttle. It's
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Speaker 1: a gay Frankie Grande and then I'm the third in No,
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Speaker 1: you can't be in the movie, you're the writer director.
26:03
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see, we'll we'll get there. Um, I
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Speaker 1: think honestly immediately for Rocky, I was thinking like Lee
26:09
Speaker 1: Pace or maybe little not too old Little Nas. Little
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Speaker 1: Nas is really good. Pace would also, like Rocky, doesn't
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Speaker 1: have to be young Lee Pace for me could be Eddie.
26:20
Speaker 1: He could be the meat loaf character. Oh yeah, I forgot,
26:23
Speaker 1: But I also think that should be a woman. Well
26:25
Speaker 1: what about also think that should be like like, um
26:29
Speaker 1: fucking what's her name? From Orange is the New Black? Uh?
26:37
Speaker 1: I love Leodelarias so much, I think, and the narrator
26:43
Speaker 1: um is played by Jean Smart. Oh perfect, that's perfect, Okay, okay,
26:49
Speaker 1: Um Magenta, I feel like it has to be someone
26:51
Speaker 1: who can really do weird, an iconic redhead. Oh, Halle Bailey,
27:00
Speaker 1: what's the Oh it's caper Land. It would be she
27:05
Speaker 1: needs more like paper Land and John Early are Magenta
27:08
Speaker 1: and riff raff. Well, not to go back, but I
27:10
Speaker 1: think that John and Kate would actually be an amazing
27:11
Speaker 1: braton Janet and John plays Janet. Yeah, but I think
27:17
Speaker 1: they make so much more sense as Magenta and riff Raff.
27:19
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, they just don't have enough lines. But
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Speaker 1: they are perfect. But they do the time warp. They
27:24
Speaker 1: are they and they actually are in most of the movie.
27:27
Speaker 1: They are they are there. Okay, okay, I love that.
27:29
Speaker 1: Um Columbia, what was that Columbia? Oh, who's Columbia? I
27:34
Speaker 1: don't remember the character. She's the top dancing one who's
27:37
Speaker 1: in love with Eddie by Leahia. All the roles will
27:42
Speaker 1: be played by Leo Dlaria and all Delira and all
27:47
Speaker 1: Leo Dlaria reboot of Rocky Hormon. Jenda is actually in
27:51
Speaker 1: the works with Loretta Ls incorporated. Like Magenda, let's get
27:55
Speaker 1: let's get a transactress in there. I think Magenta played
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Speaker 1: by a trans dance sir someone, Um, maybe Jesse James
28:05
Speaker 1: Keetle from the Queer Folk reboot. She's really good. She's
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Speaker 1: she's she's kind of she's a little she's kind of
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Speaker 1: a more serious. Oh no, Patty Harrison is Columbia. Oh
28:16
Speaker 1: my god, bad dance. She she figured out she would
28:20
Speaker 1: do a kind of Pearl esque tap tap moment. You know, Um,
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Speaker 1: that's what I see for her. Okay, well, I don't
28:26
Speaker 1: remember any of the other character. And then Frankenfurter it's
28:29
Speaker 1: kind of the only one. Oh, and we also have
28:31
Speaker 1: to do Dr Scott. The only thing I could well,
28:34
Speaker 1: Doctor Scott remind me of that character us the wheelchair. Oh,
28:38
Speaker 1: he's in a wheelchair. So could it be um Alison Stoker,
28:42
Speaker 1: Alie Stoker? Yeah, I love that she would be great
28:45
Speaker 1: or um Yeah, no, Alie Stoker would be good. And
28:48
Speaker 1: she's already does you know Broadway? Okay, so now we
28:51
Speaker 1: just have to cast Frankenfurter. Um Ezra Miller. Know, the
28:56
Speaker 1: only thing I could think of was Alan Cumming, but
28:57
Speaker 1: I think that's way too obvious. Yeah, and like also
29:00
Speaker 1: too old. I think we need someone with you. We
29:06
Speaker 1: need I think you need to think. This is what's
29:09
Speaker 1: the problem with casting Laverne Cox. I do love. You
29:13
Speaker 1: need to think rock star, rock star. And it can't
29:16
Speaker 1: be Harry Styles. And it can't be Billy Porter. Billy
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Speaker 1: Porter is coming nowhere near this movie. He's not even
29:24
Speaker 1: invited to the premier No, no, um, sorry Billy. Honestly,
29:29
Speaker 1: Mary Styles. There's also actually you know what, maybe we
29:33
Speaker 1: maybe maybe Little Nas should be Frankenfurter and we find
29:38
Speaker 1: another bimbo to play rocky because I think Little Nas
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Speaker 1: is a rock star and he's great at being feminine.
29:44
Speaker 1: He is an amazing, amazing comedic sensibility. He can dance
29:48
Speaker 1: and sang. It's just that his voice to me, doesn't
29:51
Speaker 1: lend itself to the octaves of the song. That but
29:55
Speaker 1: maybe we we you know, take them down a little bit. Great. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Little Sex can be Frankenfurter, sure, I can't think of
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Speaker 1: any of the other thing is that, like franken Furter
30:04
Speaker 1: is like an irreplaceable, magnanimous, like singular character, and Little
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Speaker 1: Nas is also a kind of once in a lifetime
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Speaker 1: actor person, you know what I mean. I mean he's
30:14
Speaker 1: not an actor, not actor, not an actor, but he
30:16
Speaker 1: would he's but he can but he you know, did
30:19
Speaker 1: that like little Morey thing. Yeah, the more things. He
30:21
Speaker 1: was brilliant. His music video is so good, his m
30:24
Speaker 1: his like video game partnership that he's doing. I just
30:27
Speaker 1: think still with Little nos X, we're still veering a
30:30
Speaker 1: little into ABC Family Live musical territory because he's so mainstream.
30:36
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. But I do think
30:38
Speaker 1: it'd be good, but we can't. It will not be
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Speaker 1: a live musical and it will not be on the AES. Okay,
30:42
Speaker 1: so now who's going to be Rocky since we've recast
30:46
Speaker 1: some hot bimbo, it could just be Timothy Slamy, Okay,
30:51
Speaker 1: it could just Timmy. Timmy would sure No, Timmy would
30:54
Speaker 1: want to be Frankenfurter, which and he can't with that
30:57
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