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- Lucas: So on February 25, 2020, the Disney board announced that Bob Iger was stepping down as CEO and handing the reins to Bob Chapek. The market's first reaction was confusion, because most people didn't even know who Chapek was. Luna: I remember that. I was covering media at the time, and the news broke in the late afternoon. The stock dipped about two percent in after-hours trading. Lucas: Right. And the board's rationale was that Iger had been CEO for fifteen years, and they wanted a smooth transition. But the way they did it felt abrupt. Iger announced it in a blog post, there was no transition period, and Chapek was basically thrown into the job with zero preparation. Luna: And then the pandemic hit three weeks later. So Chapek had to navigate the most disruptive period in Disney's history while the board was still figuring out if they'd picked the right person. Lucas: Exactly. This is a classic case study in how boards handle CEO succession, and in Disney's case, they made three specific mistakes that are worth unpacking. The first one is that the succession process was too secretive and too fast. Luna: Iger himself has acknowledged that the board had been discussing succession for years, but they never really committed to a timeline. It sounds like they were waiting for Iger to decide. Lucas: Right. And when Iger finally did decide, the board approved it in a matter of days. There was no formal search, no external candidates considered. Chapek was the only internal option they seriously evaluated, and his background was in theme parks and consumer products, not content. Luna: Which was a huge shift from Iger, who came from programming and had this instinct for creative talent. Chapek's strength was operational efficiency, which is important, but not necessarily what drives Disney's brand. Lucas: So the second mistake is that the board didn't adjust its oversight after the appointment. They kept the same structure they'd had under Iger, where the board was very deferential to the CEO. But Chapek wasn't Iger. He needed more guardrails. Luna: What do you mean by guardrails? Like, more active board involvement? Lucas: Yes. Under Iger, the board mostly rubber-stamped his decisions because his track record was so strong. But when Chapek took over, he made a series of moves that alienated key constituencies. He restructured the media division in a way that upset creative executives, he had a public feud with Scarlett Johansson over Black Widow's streaming release, and he made political missteps in Florida over the Don't Say Gay bill. Luna: And the board didn't step in. They let those situations escalate, which is surprising because the board had some heavy hitters on it — people like Nike's Mark Parker and Starbucks' Mellody Hobson. Lucas: That's the third mistake: the board was structurally well-composed but operationally passive. They had the right people, but they weren't asking the hard questions. By mid-2022, Chapek's leadership was under serious pressure. The stock had fallen about forty percent from its peak in early 2021. Luna: And that's when the activists showed up. Nelson Peltz's Trian Partners took a stake and started pushing for changes, including a potential board seat. Lucas: Right. And the board's response was telling. Instead of defending Chapek, they basically panicked. In November 2022, they fired Chapek and brought Iger back as CEO. That's a huge governance failure — you're essentially admitting that your succession plan was wrong. Luna: Iger himself said he was surprised by the call. So the board went from having a clear succession plan to completely reversing it in less than three years. That's not a sign of a healthy board. Lucas: And here's the thing — this kind of drama can be really instructive for leaders in any industry. I've had listeners tell me that these episodes have actually helped them in their own careers, think more clearly about how decisions get made at the top. We deliberately don't run ads on these. If you want to support that choice, the link is buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. No pressure, just a way to keep the conversations going. Luna: Yeah, it's a small way to help. And the boardroom lessons just keep coming. So after Iger returned, what did the board do differently? Lucas: They started taking succession much more seriously. Iger's current contract runs through the end of 2026, but the board has publicly committed to having a permanent successor in place by then. They've also expanded the board's role in overseeing the process, with the governance committee meeting regularly to review potential internal and external candidates. Luna: And they've made some board changes. In early 2023, they added former Morgan Stanley CEO James Gorman and former Sky CEO Jeremy Darroch, both of whom have experience with leadership transitions. Lucas: Right. And they also managed to fend off Peltz's proxy fight in early 2024, after Iger had steadied the ship. But the fundamental question remains: can a board that failed once design a process that actually works the second time? Luna: What do you think the key lesson is for other boards? Lucas: The biggest one is that succession isn't a single decision, it's a process. The Disney board treated it like a binary choice — either Iger or Chapek. They didn't think about the transition period, the culture shift, or the need for ongoing oversight. A good board doesn't just pick a CEO and walk away. They stay engaged, especially in the first year. Luna: And they should have had a more robust pipeline. Chapek was the only internal option, and when he didn't work out, they had no one else. That's a failure of talent development at the board level. Lucas: Exactly. Compare that to a company like Apple, where Tim Cook was groomed for years before Steve Jobs stepped down. Or Microsoft, where Satya Nadella had a clear path. Disney's board got seduced by Iger's success and assumed it would just continue. Luna: There's also the question of board composition. Iger was chairman of the board until his retirement in 2021, and then he stayed on as chairman emeritus. That made it hard for the board to be independent. Lucas: That's a great point. The board chair during Chapek's tenure was Susan Arnold, who had been on the board since 2007. But she was chosen by Iger, and there was a perception that she was still aligned with him. It wasn't until 2023 that they split the chair and CEO roles again, with Mark Parker taking over as chair. Luna: So in a way, the board had to go through the crisis to learn the lesson. Which is unfortunate, because the cost was enormous — both in terms of shareholder value and in terms of employee morale. Lucas: Right. The stock lost about seventy billion dollars in market cap during Chapek's tenure. And the internal culture took a hit, with creative talent feeling undervalued. But the good news is that the board now seems more aware of its responsibilities. They've been more transparent about the succession timeline, and they're involving external advisors. Luna: Do you think Iger's eventual successor will be an insider or an outsider? Lucas: Based on what the board has said, they're looking at both. Internal candidates like Dana Walden, who runs the television division, or Josh D'Amaro, who runs the parks business, are strong contenders. But they've also signaled they'd consider an outsider if none of the internal candidates are ready. The key is that they're not rushing. Luna: And they're not making the same mistake of keeping it secret. Iger himself has said that the board will update investors regularly on the process. That's a complete reversal from 2020. Lucas: It is. And I think that's the ultimate lesson from the Disney board saga: transparency builds trust. The board's initial secrecy created uncertainty, which led to activist pressure, which led to a hasty reversal. A more open process from the beginning might have avoided the entire crisis. Luna: So for board members listening, what's the one takeaway? Lucas: Don't let the CEO control the succession narrative. The board should own the process, not the outgoing CEO. Iger was a brilliant leader, but he was also a strong personality who dominated the board. A truly independent board would have pushed for a more rigorous search and a longer transition period. That's the hard lesson Disney learned the hard way. Luna: And we'll see if it sticks. The next CEO appointment will be the real test. Lucas: Absolutely. And we'll be watching. That's all for this episode of Boardroom Conversations. Thanks for listening.