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- Lucas: So there's this moment in almost every sales interview where the candidate is asked about a time they missed quota. Luna: The classic failure question. And most candidates have a rehearsed answer. Lucas: Exactly. But what if the way they answer — specifically, how many times they voluntarily mention a failure — could actually predict their future performance? That's what a study of 5,000 sales reps across 30 companies found. Luna: Wait — more mentions of failure predicted better performance? Lucas: Yes. The reps who mentioned their own past failures at least twice during a structured interview hit quota 23 percent more often in their first year than those who didn't mention any. The researchers called it the 'failure fluency' effect. Luna: That's counterintuitive. You'd think recruiters would penalize someone for dwelling on failures. Lucas: Most do. That's exactly why this metric is undervalued. The idea is that candidates who are comfortable discussing failures — without being prompted repeatedly — have a healthier relationship with risk and learning. In sales, that translates to resilience. Luna: But how do you separate genuine comfort from someone who's just practiced a failure story? Lucas: Good question. The key is that the mentions have to be unsolicited. The interviewer asks a standard behavioral question like 'Tell me about a time you had a tough quarter.' The candidate who says, 'Well, in Q2 I missed my number by 15 percent, and I think the reason was I didn't prospect enough — oh, and earlier in my career I had a similar issue with account planning' — that's two unsolicited failure mentions. Luna: So it's not about a single polished failure story. It's about the candidate's default framing. Lucas: Right. The study coded every interview transcript. Candidates who mentioned a failure entirely on their own — without a follow-up question — scored higher on quota attainment. The effect held even when controlling for experience, education, and even the interviewer's own bias. Luna: But bias is the elephant in the room. If an interviewer subconsciously prefers confident, failure-free narratives, they might rank the failure-fluent candidate lower. Lucas: That's exactly what happened in a pilot at one of the companies in the study. They trained hiring managers to spot unsolicited failure mentions, and suddenly the correlation with performance jumped. Before training, the interviewers were filtering out the very people who would outperform. Luna: So the metric only works if the interviewer is calibrated to notice it. Lucas: Exactly. And that's where most companies mess up. They don't have a systematic way to capture this signal. They rely on gut feel. So here's what I'd recommend: in every sales interview, have a second person silently count unsolicited failure mentions. Just a tally. Then compare that tally to the interviewer's overall rating. Luna: You'd need a structured rubric for that. What counts as a failure mention? Lucas: The study defined it as any explicit reference to a personal mistake, a missed target, a lost deal, or a negative outcome the candidate attributes to their own action. So 'the market was tough' doesn't count. 'I didn't prepare enough for that client meeting' does. Luna: Okay, but does this work outside of sales? I'm thinking about roles where failure is more costly — like air traffic control or surgery. Lucas: You're right to push on that. The study was sales-specific. But there's a parallel in a 2023 paper from Harvard Business School on software engineers. They found that engineers who openly discussed past bugs and deployment failures in interviews had higher code quality ratings six months in. The logic is similar: psychological safety and learning orientation. Luna: Still, I'd want to see the data for, say, finance or law. Those fields tend to penalize failure more harshly. Lucas: That's a fair caveat. The effect probably varies by culture. But here's the thing — even if the metric only works in sales, that's a huge population. Sales is one of the largest hiring categories globally. Luna: True. And if it cuts mis-hires by even 10 percent, the ROI is massive. What's the average cost of a bad sales hire? Three times salary? Lucas: That's the conservative estimate. So training interviewers to count one simple behavior — unsolicited failure mentions — could save a company millions. Luna: Let me play devil's advocate. Could a candidate game this? If they know the interviewer is counting failure mentions, they could just drop them in. Lucas: Possibly. But the study found that candidates who had been coached to mention failures actually sounded less authentic. Their mentions felt forced, and the interviewers — even untrained ones — picked up on that. The effect only worked for natural, unprompted mentions. Luna: So the signal is hard to fake. That's actually reassuring. Lucas: It is. And it aligns with a broader shift in hiring toward 'signs' over 'surrogates'. Signs are direct evidence of a trait — like resilience — while surrogates are proxies like education or past job titles. Failure fluency is a sign. Luna: Makes me think about a conversation I had with a recruiter at a Series B SaaS company. She said they started asking candidates to describe a specific mistake they made in their last role — and how they fixed it. She told me the candidates who gave detailed, self-critical answers were the ones who tended to stay longer. Not necessarily higher performers, but lower turnover. Lucas: That's a nice parallel. Lower turnover could be because those candidates have more realistic expectations — they know jobs involve screw-ups. They're not shocked when things go wrong. Luna: Exactly. And that's valuable in itself. So if you're a hiring manager listening, what's the one thing you should change in your next interview? Lucas: Add one question: 'Tell me about the last time you made a mistake at work that you had to fix.' Then sit back and count how many times they mention a failure without you prompting further. If it's at least two, that's a strong signal. If it's zero, dig deeper. Luna: You know, if today's episode gave you one concrete tactic you'll try in your next interview, that's exactly why this show exists. We keep it ad-free and focused on what actually works. If that's worth a coffee to you, you can find us at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. No pressure, just a small way to keep these conversations going. Lucas: Yeah, we really appreciate the listeners who've supported us that way. It lets us spend more time digging into studies like this one instead of chasing sponsors. So genuinely, thank you. Luna: Alright, back to the data. One thing that bugged me about the study: they measured quota attainment, not overall sales performance. Could someone hit quota but be toxic to the team? Lucas: Fair point. The study didn't track team dynamics or long-term retention. So failure fluency might predict short-term output but not necessarily cultural fit. That's a limitation. Luna: So it's a valuable input, not a silver bullet. Lucas: Right. Combine it with other signals — like a structured reference check or a work sample test. No single metric should decide a hire. But this one is so underused that even adding it as a secondary data point could improve your hit rate. Luna: I want to circle back to bias. You mentioned that untrained interviewers actually penalize failure-fluent candidates. How did the training fix that? Lucas: The training was simple: they showed hiring managers video clips of interviews and asked them to tally unsolicited failure mentions. Then they compared tallies, discussed discrepancies, and repeated until inter-rater reliability hit 80 percent. It took about two hours. Luna: So the fix isn't expensive. It's just intentional. Lucas: Exactly. Most hiring processes aren't designed to measure this. They're designed to avoid discomfort. Interviewers want to like the candidate, so they steer toward positive stories. Training them to sit with the discomfort of failure talk is surprisingly effective. Luna: Let's talk about a counterexample. I read about a startup that tried this approach and saw the opposite — candidates who mentioned more failures actually performed worse. What went wrong? Lucas: I recall that case. The startup was in early-stage B2B, where the sales cycle is long and complex. They found that candidates who dwelled on failures — more than three mentions — tended to be overly self-critical, almost pessimistic. In that context, a certain level of confidence is necessary to persist through long deal cycles. Luna: So there's a U-shaped curve? Too few failure mentions might indicate lack of self-awareness, but too many might indicate low self-efficacy? Lucas: Exactly. The study's sweet spot was two unsolicited mentions. One was neutral. Three or more actually correlated with slightly lower performance. So it's not 'more is better'. It's about a balanced ability to acknowledge failure without being consumed by it. Luna: That nuance is critical. If a hiring manager just starts counting and doesn't know the optimal range, they could misinterpret. Lucas: Totally. That's why I always recommend piloting this along with existing metrics. Track it for six months, then see if it correlates with your own performance data. Don't just adopt it blindly. Luna: So, final takeaway: ask the mistake question, count unsolicited failure mentions, aim for two, and calibrate your interviewers with a two-hour training session. Lucas: That's the playbook. And if you're already using structured interviews, this fits right in as a scoring dimension. If you're not using structured interviews, that's the bigger problem to fix first. Luna: Fair. One step at a time. Lucas: Exactly. Next episode, I want to look at a related angle: why the best salespeople often have a history of job hopping — and how to interview for that. Luna: That should be good. Let's do it.