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Ken Rosenthal’s: Trade Deadline update, Juan Soto owns June, Extreme Rangers pitching park · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Even when he was struggling, he wasn't that bad and
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  Speaker 1: there was all that noise around him, how he really
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  Speaker 1: wanted to play for the Yankees and not the Mints
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  Speaker 1: and he was depressed. Well, if he's really that depressed,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he'd be playing the way he is now.
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  Speaker 2: FT senior insider Ken Rosendal with us. It's the inside
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  Speaker 2: scoop right now. Ken, I know we're still, let's see,
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  Speaker 2: a month away from the trade deadline. The questions are constant,
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  Speaker 2: as I'm sure you see the same. Do you feel
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  Speaker 2: like there'll be any activity over the next few weeks
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  Speaker 2: or it's just going to be a super heavy within
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  Speaker 2: the next you know, the three days of the deadline
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  Speaker 2: is when all of the action is going to happen
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  Speaker 2: because teams won't throw in the towel the latter.
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  Speaker 1: Scott, just what you said there that teams will wait
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  Speaker 1: and the draft comes into play here, because that's right
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  Speaker 1: at the All Star break, and teams are very heavy
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  Speaker 1: in preparation for the draft right now. Not that they
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  Speaker 1: can't do two things at once, but they're focus is
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  Speaker 1: the draft. So that is another dynamic that leads to
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  Speaker 1: later movement. But the really overriding dynamic is the fact
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  Speaker 1: just what you said that there are so many teams
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  Speaker 1: that do not want to declare their intent, even amongst
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  Speaker 1: other clubs. They want to see what happens over the
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  Speaker 1: next couple of weeks, because with expanded playoffs, with the
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  Speaker 1: extra wildcard, now you get hot for two weeks, you're
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  Speaker 1: right back in this thing, unless you're the Colorado Rockies
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  Speaker 1: or the Marlins or National somebody like that. But that's
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  Speaker 1: the reality for a lot of disappointing clubs. They're thinking, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: maybe we get hot here and then it's a whole
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  Speaker 1: different picture, and maybe that doesn't happen, and then they're sellers.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to throw a theory out there, and
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  Speaker 2: it's based on recent history. The third wild card makes this,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, a less sexy trade deadline because you have
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  Speaker 2: more teams involved. But it also means that you can
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  Speaker 2: win at the margins and look back and be like, damn,
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  Speaker 2: good thing, I acquired this, you know, on June twenty
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  Speaker 2: seventh instead of on July twenty seventh. Last year the
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  Speaker 2: Marlins straded away Luisa rise in May right, they were like,
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  Speaker 2: we're good, we got the offer we want, so here's
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  Speaker 2: my question. Do you think some of the bottom feeders
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  Speaker 2: who don't have the best assets available should be very
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  Speaker 2: aggressive now because when we get closer to the deadline,
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  Speaker 2: some of those assets will not be as valuable. There'll
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  Speaker 2: be more competition with some teams that do punt, and
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  Speaker 2: also they can talk a team into how doing this
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  Speaker 2: now might get them an extra win or two and
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  Speaker 2: bought them into the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: Scott, you're speaking too logically, and what you're saying makes
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  Speaker 1: absolute sense that why not act now if you're a
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  Speaker 1: seller before the market becomes flooded with more players. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: that is the case. But the way deadlines work in
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  Speaker 1: all walks of life is that people wait until the end,
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  Speaker 1: and that is just the general nature of it. It
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  Speaker 1: changes the prices as you get closer to the end,
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  Speaker 1: and the desperation of certain clubs increases. So I still
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  Speaker 1: expect it to happen that way. But I'll give you
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  Speaker 1: an example here of what I'm talking about in the
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  Speaker 1: other way. Charlie Morton. Charlie Morton is suddenly pitching a
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  Speaker 1: lot better for the Baltimore Orioles. It's been about five
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  Speaker 1: or six starts now he is probably going to get
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  Speaker 1: moved at the deadline. The Atlanta Braves are sitting here
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  Speaker 1: and they need a starting pitcher in the worst way.
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  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't the Braves and Orioles do this? Now? There's
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  Speaker 1: no reason. There's no logical reason why they wouldn't. Because
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  Speaker 1: if you're the Orioles, you'll have other players to trade
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  Speaker 1: at the deadline. You might want to stack this rather
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  Speaker 1: than having to do everything at once. And if you're
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  Speaker 1: the Braves, you have this immediate need. But all of
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  Speaker 1: that said, things generally don't work that way in the game.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes they do, but generally speaking, everything goes down to
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  Speaker 1: the end.
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  Speaker 3: Talking about trades, Ken, this is gonna be I feel
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  Speaker 3: like coming up, it's gonna be a little crazy because
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  Speaker 3: of the injuries. I want to talk about a team
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  Speaker 3: like the Diamondbacks. I mean, are they straight sellers right now?
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  Speaker 3: What do you think the direction they're going? And then
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  Speaker 3: talk we're going to stay in the West about the Padres.
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  Speaker 3: Talk a little bit about those two teams.
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  Speaker 1: Neither of those teams is a straight seller. And in fact,
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  Speaker 1: I would be surprised if either sold now. The Diamondbacks
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  Speaker 1: because of their injuries and they've got so many, if
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  Speaker 1: they by July thirty, first are out of contention, and
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  Speaker 1: it's difficult to be out of contention with a third
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  Speaker 1: wild card in play. But if that's the case, yes,
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  Speaker 1: they're not going to be dumb about this. They'll go
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  Speaker 1: forward and they'll trade Gallon and Kelly and Suarez and Nailer.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know that it's ever going to get
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  Speaker 1: to that point, and even if it does, they might
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  Speaker 1: simply trade Assuarez, make room for Jordan Lawler at third base,
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  Speaker 1: and kind of try to still compete. My Keys, and
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  Speaker 1: their general manager has been adamant about this really since
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  Speaker 1: the day he took over. Doesn't like to lose, he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't like to rebuild. He is of the opposite view.
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  Speaker 1: He wants to win, and that's the way they've operated.
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  Speaker 1: So I would expect that even with all of their injuries,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to get Carol back. They're not going to
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  Speaker 1: get some of these pitchers back, but they're still going
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  Speaker 1: to be going after it. Aj Preller and San Diego
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  Speaker 1: the same, and that's a team that he intends to
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  Speaker 1: have compete for the rest of the season. There's a
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  Speaker 1: serious question about their rotation with Michael King not being
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  Speaker 1: back until f to the All Star break. You Darvish
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  Speaker 1: has yet to throw a pitch in the major leagues
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  Speaker 1: this season. But if they get one or both back,
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  Speaker 1: their pitching improves. If they get another bat and left field,
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  Speaker 1: which has been their bugaboo all year, they're better along
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  Speaker 1: those lines. And their bullpen has got to be a
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  Speaker 1: concern because I think it's tired right now. It's worn
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  Speaker 1: down a little bit. So all that said, there's still
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  Speaker 1: in a really good position. They're still a really good team,
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  Speaker 1: and Preller is not going to give up, so he
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  Speaker 1: is going to look to add and I would expect
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  Speaker 1: that he will.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get to some definites you wrote in your latest
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  Speaker 2: notes com which came out this morning in the Athletic.
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  Speaker 2: I encourage everyone to check it out. But we'll get
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  Speaker 2: by broonea taste right now. Marlins Pirates, what do you
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  Speaker 2: have for us on those two?
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  Speaker 1: The Marlins have two starting pitchers that are going to
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  Speaker 1: attract attention, Sandy al Contra and Edward Cabrera. Now, Contrera
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  Speaker 1: has pitched better his last four or five starts. He's
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  Speaker 1: looking like the al Contra of old, and then Cabrera
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  Speaker 1: is a little bit of a different guy. He's also
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  Speaker 1: pitching well. He actually is in the middle of his
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  Speaker 1: best year. He's a lot less expensive than Sandy is.
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  Speaker 1: He is a guy making a million nine to five
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  Speaker 1: this year. He has three more years of arbitration remaining,
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  Speaker 1: so the Marlins probably will be more inclined to trade
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  Speaker 1: al Contra if all things are equal. He's got seventeen
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  Speaker 1: million this year, he's in the middle of seventeen next year,
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  Speaker 1: and then a twenty one million dollar club option. They
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  Speaker 1: might not be competitive by the time his deal is up,
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  Speaker 1: or at least a guaranteed portion. They probably wouldn't be.
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  Speaker 1: But with Edward Cabrera they might be competitive. They should
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  Speaker 1: be competitive if all goes according to plan by the
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  Speaker 1: time he is a free agent, and he could be
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  Speaker 1: contributing to competing teams with them. That said that, the Marlins,
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  Speaker 1: they're never going to turn away necessarily from listening on
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  Speaker 1: pitchers or any players for that matter. I just expect
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  Speaker 1: that it might be more difficult to pry Cabrera away
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  Speaker 1: than al Condra. The Pirates I wrote about Mitch Keller,
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  Speaker 1: and Mitch Keller is a guy we all know. He's
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  Speaker 1: one in ten, but the Zra's around four He's pitched
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  Speaker 1: much better than his supposed win loss record, which is
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  Speaker 1: a reflection of poor run support. He's a guy that
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  Speaker 1: signed a five year, seventy seven million dollar extension with
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  Speaker 1: them just eighteen months ago or so. He's a guy
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  Speaker 1: they don't necessarily need to trade financially. But he's making
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  Speaker 1: sixteen million next year. He's going to command the sizeable
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  Speaker 1: chunk of their payroll. They've got young pitching coming, big
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  Speaker 1: time young pitching coming. They've got Jared Jones coming back.
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  Speaker 1: They also have a situation where their offense is horrid,
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  Speaker 1: not bad horrid. So if you could trade Mitch Keller
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  Speaker 1: for offensive pieces and maybe then redirect the money that
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  Speaker 1: you're saving to further your offense, that to you would
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  Speaker 1: seem to be a smart thing to do.
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  Speaker 4: Ken, I want to give you a chance to kind
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  Speaker 4: of talk about one of the teams you hinted on
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  Speaker 4: in your article, where if I would have told you
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  Speaker 4: right now, Team A is three games out and it
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  Speaker 4: owns the second slide of a wildcard. They own the
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  Speaker 4: second wildcard. But you're talking that they might be trade partners.
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  Speaker 4: You talked about the Milwaukee Brewers might be trading Peralto,
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  Speaker 4: or they might be trading another one of their starters.
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  Speaker 1: What's the update with them?
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  Speaker 4: Because they've gone on a little run here and gotten
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  Speaker 4: closer and close the gap to the Cubs.
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  Speaker 1: They have gone on a run six and one, I
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  Speaker 1: believe in the last seven. And this is a team
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  Speaker 1: that Jason, you remember a couple of years ago, traded
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  Speaker 1: Josh Hayterer at the deadline in the middle of a
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  Speaker 1: pane race. That deal ultimately proved to be a good
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  Speaker 1: one for them. It got them William Contreras and Pie
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  Speaker 1: Amps the reliever, but at the time it was quite disruptive.
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  Speaker 1: They missed the playoffs that year, so there was a
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  Speaker 1: lot that was negative about it, and they received a
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  Speaker 1: lot of blowback. They' in a similar position as they
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  Speaker 1: are always every year with looking at players who are
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  Speaker 1: growing more expensive and trying to decide if they fit
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  Speaker 1: or if they have alternatives that are cheaper and can
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  Speaker 1: be nearly as effective, if not as effective. Now Paralta
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  Speaker 1: is relatively inexpensive. His salary's eight million dollars. They've an
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  Speaker 1: eight million dollar club option on him for next year.
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  Speaker 1: The difference here with the Brewers, and what's so interesting
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  Speaker 1: about them is that they're the one team in the
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  Speaker 1: game it seems to have something of a surplus of
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  Speaker 1: starting pitching. Now. I know that when I say that,
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  Speaker 1: it could disappear tomorrow, but Brandon Woodruff and mister Quartees
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  Speaker 1: Junior are coming off the injured list at some point
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  Speaker 1: after the break. Most likely, They've got Tobias Myers who
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  Speaker 1: was really good for them last year, and Logan Henderson
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  Speaker 1: in TRIPLEA pitching well. And they've got five guys at
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  Speaker 1: the major league level doing decently in addition to all that.
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  Speaker 1: So could they trade a starter and maybe get some
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  Speaker 1: offensive help. It's probably something they can explore for sure.
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  Speaker 1: But would they trade Freddy Peralta in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: a pennant race That I'm not so sure about because
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  Speaker 1: their owner, Mark Attanasa Tanasio is sensitive to public perception.
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  Speaker 1: He remembers the blowback they got on the hater trade
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  Speaker 1: and I seriously doubt he wants to experience that again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, not worth it. Freddy is really
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  Speaker 2: well liked there too. He's just great energy, great smile,
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  Speaker 2: all of that. I remember they traded Iron Sabali a
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  Speaker 2: ready too. I mean, he hasn't been great this year,
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  Speaker 2: but they were like, whoop, here comes the miss. You're
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  Speaker 2: out of here, all right, I want to take us
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  Speaker 2: to the Mets. So I'm going to let everyone in
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  Speaker 2: on some foul territory. Behind the scenes, I help run
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  Speaker 2: the podcast department, and usually we'll put a checkbox box
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  Speaker 2: if it's explicit content, and Ken doesn't curse on fair territory.
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  Speaker 2: But there was one episode the other day Ken where
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  Speaker 2: it was the closest I ever got to having to
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  Speaker 2: decide if I had to click that box. When we
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  Speaker 2: were publishing it, he said something on the long lines
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  Speaker 2: of it's one freaking Sodo. He's fine, right, So I'll
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  Speaker 2: let you elaborate on how everyone has stopped talking about
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  Speaker 2: Soto's slow start and if he's worth the money, including
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  Speaker 2: the New York radio scene.
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  Speaker 1: I did say, Juan freaking Sodo, and that is the
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  Speaker 1: closest I will come to cursing on the show, I hope.
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  Speaker 1: And it's so interesting to me. Even when he was struggling,
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't that bad and there was all that noise
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  Speaker 1: around him, how he really wanted to play for the
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  Speaker 1: Yankees and not the Mets and he was depressed. Well,
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  Speaker 1: if he's really that depressed, I don't think he'd be
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  Speaker 1: playing the way he is now. He's playing at an
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  Speaker 1: extremely high level. There's some numbers that will show you
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  Speaker 1: that home runs in June He's right there with cal
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  Speaker 1: Rally and Ajohanna Suarez. He's been everything the Mets could
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  Speaker 1: have hoped for. Now. They've got other problems, of course
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  Speaker 1: on the pitching end, but Soto, in addition to all that,
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  Speaker 1: is even stealing bases, so he is doing Jan Soto things.
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  Speaker 1: He had that amazing two homer game the other night,
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  Speaker 1: not so amazing for him, but it was the twenty
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  Speaker 1: seventh of his career. It's the most ever before turning
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  Speaker 1: twenty seven by any player in Major League. He's going
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  Speaker 1: to make a lot of history. And if he's so miserable, boy,
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  Speaker 1: he plays up pretty well when he's pretty down and out.
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  Speaker 3: Last question here, Ken, let's go down south to the
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  Speaker 3: Texas Rangers. You wrote in your article about the nightmare
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  Speaker 3: they're having on offense at home. Can you elaborate on
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  Speaker 3: that a little bit? And you know, U sue that
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  Speaker 3: home cooking's pretty good, But for the Ranger it's been
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  Speaker 3: pretty tough.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a nightmare, Todd. As far as winning games.
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  Speaker 1: The record at home is twenty four and sixteen. I
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  Speaker 1: believe they go back home tonight against Seattle. The problem
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  Speaker 1: that they're having is offensively at home and it's a
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  Speaker 1: problem that is affecting everyone globe life. Field for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 1: the last two years has turned into a hitter's nightmare
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  Speaker 1: and a pitcher's paradise. And what I wrote about is
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  Speaker 1: that the Rangers cannot figure out why this is. In
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  Speaker 1: twenty three, it was one of the best hitting parks
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  Speaker 1: and they won the World Series that year, and all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, now it's an amazing pitchers park. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't really seem to add up, and the Range trying
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  Speaker 1: to figure it out. They have that good record at
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  Speaker 1: home because their era at home is crazy good, and
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  Speaker 1: obviously when you have something that hurts the hitters, it
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  Speaker 1: benefits the pitchers, and the Rangers are living that. But
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  Speaker 1: it's just interesting that they're having such offensive struggles home
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  Speaker 1: and road. You wonder if somehow this is carrying over
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  Speaker 1: once you get out of that park and then you
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  Speaker 1: go somewhere else. I don't know, No one knows the
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  Speaker 1: answer to that. But the point of the item in
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  Speaker 1: the column was just that this is happening, that this park,
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  Speaker 1: which was a hitters park two years ago, is suddenly
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  Speaker 1: an extreme pitchers park, And again the Rangers are perplexed
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  Speaker 1: by the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm perplexed by their season. I mean, that's the
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  Speaker 2: thing is this team is pitching their freaking heart out,
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  Speaker 2: but they can't score. So look, I said, freaking that's
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  Speaker 2: the word of the week. Ken, Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: What game Saturday? What do you got?
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  Speaker 1: I got phillies at Braves?
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  Speaker 2: Gotcha? All right, We'll see you Saturday. Then we'll be watching.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Ken, Thanks guys, guys.
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  Speaker 2: Uh fair Territory. Also, you had yesterday's episode which covered
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the Rays ballpark situation. Ken also wrote
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  Speaker 2: about that in The Athletic, But if you want to
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  Speaker 2: learn more about that, we covered it yesterday on fil Territory.
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  Speaker 2: Get Ken's take with Ilana, among many other topics, and
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  Speaker 2: then he's back on Monday Live. This is the time
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  Speaker 2: of year, I know. If you have trade questions, bring
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  Speaker 2: them on Grill and Ken