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Andy Gray , Coppell , England and That Fa Cup Semi Final, Part ONE · Team of the eighties

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  Taylor.
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  Oh, what a goal by Peter Taylor.
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  Welcome to team of the 80s.
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  My name is Gary Spencer.
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  This is the Andy Gray interview.
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  Andy, great to have you on, mate.
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  How you doing?
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  It's a pleasure, Gal, to be honest with you.
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  I've been kind of clucking for you to ask me to come on your podcast because obviously, you know, it's about the 80s, and obviously we were there as schoolboys there.
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  So all the players I see you interview, like, they were my idols back in the day, especially Burridge, Nico, and they all gave us time.
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  And that was the beautiful thing about that group.
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  There was a few were a bit moody, but the majority of them were like, top, top, top guys.
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  And, yeah, I mean, I learned so much watching that team.
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  Yeah.
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  But do you remember where we used to sit, Gal?
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  Do you remember where we used to sit on match days?
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  Yeah, yeah, I.
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  I vaguely do.
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  Yeah, I vaguely do.
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  I've got two or three memories of you, Andy, at that age.
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  And they always make me smile.
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  And they make me smile because you went on to be such a player, you know, and.
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  And when.
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  When I remember you.
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  Well, first of all, I remember your sheepskin.
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  I told you about that.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, and then one day we were playing.
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  Now, I just want to put it out there, by the way, that I was played for a very short time and I was outed.
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  I ended up at Sun United.
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  But Andy was training one day over at Mitchum, and he.
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  He come on the pitch and he was always a bundle of energy, right.
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  And he was always giving it to everybody.
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  He was just giving it to people.
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  And he got the ball and he nutmegged me.
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  And then for the next 10 minutes, I heard about the nutmeg.
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  But for me, my only claim to fame is I'm not making back, but that's about it.
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  That's as far as it got for me for football.
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  He went on.
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  He went on to play for England.
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  That was my claim to fam.
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  But the.
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  The point I was saying, where we used to sit, where the dugout was, they used to have that long bench.
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  Yes.
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  And.
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  And we all used to sit there next to the manager.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  And that was so inciting.
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  Watching the game and seeing, obviously, like, you put, like seeing them play and, like, thinking, yeah, I would love, because you was there, you weren't on in the stand.
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  He was actually pitch side.
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  So you got that.
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  That visual that this is what I would love to be doing one day.
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  You guys were a little bit older than me, so, like, the Likes of Gary Grabham who was like Arnie Warren's superstar and he wasn't.
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  He was a great striker but back in the day it wasn't about speed.
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  Later on that's what kind of held Gary back because it was because he was a good old up man and, and yet he had all the techniques.
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  Do you know what I mean?
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  Where a lot of players today, like, no disrespect to Mateta, is it?
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  Matata for Palace.
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  Yeah, they can't hold the ball.
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  My favorite.
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  Yeah, no, I've seen him sort of like coat him a few times.
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  No, I mean at the end of the day you're a good judge because like you've seen players like David swindlers.
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  Wasn't the greatest, but he knew how to do the runs.
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  And I, I just think in, in the modern day footballers, a lot of them don't know their craft because remember our coach, Johnny Cartwright?
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I mean what that guy put in my head from 11 up until 13, that always stuck with me.
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  Do you know what I mean?
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  How to play overlaps and you know, but, but they, they call it different things now, don't they?
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  Yeah, they do, yeah.
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  Shutting down has become a press.
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  But, but, but I don't know what happened but like a journalist became a journal and a linesman became a Lionel and it's like I'll just like they are what they are.
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  Like we, why, why do we have to repackage everything?
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  You know, like you shut somebody down.
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  Oh, but the high press, the low press, come on.
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  No, Mateta, I don't know.
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  You might have been there, Andy.
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  This day palace played West Bromwich Albion.
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  Right?
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  We're gonna just talk about center forwards quickly.
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  Yeah.
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  Palace played West Bromwich Albion and big Cyril was up top for West Bromwich Albion.
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  Right.
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  And everything.
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  I don't know if you saw that game, but everything that day they stuck up to him and he stuck it and he knocked it off and he bullied people and like.
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  And that to me, if you're that style of center forward as Mateta is, that's what you should be doing.
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  If it's going to go up to him, at least hold it up, at least make it stick.
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  Right.
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  Back in our day we would have a reference of a player.
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  You would know players who would have certain traits to get what I'm trying to say.
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  I think if he had a chance he could get in because back in the day a lot of trading was between sort of like second, third, getting the chance.
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  But what I'm Saying the modern day player is what is their reference to look at?
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  Because I mean as a center forward I'd be thinking, well, who would I really be looking at to sort of like say I would base my game.
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  If you've got certain physicalities about you, I.
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  E like mateta, then at least play.
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  If you're going to play with your bat to go hold it up.
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  Because if you're not scoring goals and you're not holding it up, then what are you doing?
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  Right, that's all.
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  Let's go back to you because this is about you, ain't about them.
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  You started off at palace as we said, and, and you were, you were a youngster but then you, you left the club for a while and you went into non league.
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  No, what happened was they said to me that I was going to get my apprenticeship and remember Johnny Griffin, God bless his soul.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Well, basically Johnny left that that summer and went to Brentford, right?
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  So.
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  But Johnny Griffin was the first.
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  He brought me to palace when I was 11.
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  So when I got to 15 and a half, nearly 16, Arnie Warren said, oh, we're not going to give you the apprenticeship.
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  So Johnny Griffin rang me, he said, I would like you to bring you to Brentford.
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  So I went to Brentford, but where I was living from, from Brixton to Brentford, you've got to take two buses.
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  After four weeks I got sacked because I kept getting in late.
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  So Freddie Callahan and Chopper Harris said, if you come late one more time, we're gonna like cancel your contract.
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  Anyway, this fateful morning I got up, the buses were running very late.
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  Back in the 80s, hindsight's the great thing.
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  I should have, not even I should have.
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  When I got there and I knew I was going to be late, I should have just sort like gone back home and said I was sick.
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  So I get in there and they went, that's it.
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  Boom, bang, I'm out of the game at 16.
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  I think I got paid once.
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  I didn't play football for a year.
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  I was just bumming around my area doing nothing.
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  And then one of my friends said to me, why don't you come and play for our team at Kings Cross?
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  It's called the TV Times.
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  But all of these guys were like older players, so they would have been playing pro, not look pro herbs, amateur football.
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  But they've stopped playing.
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  So it was like a vets type of match.
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  So I was playing on the, I was playing there every Tuesday.
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  But I used to like it because back in the day, like I'm.
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  I'm 17.
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  Like.
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  Like my cherry wasn't pop.
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  So we used to drive past all the.
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  The Alfies, King's Cross, you know, like,.
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  It's not really about the football, is it?
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  No, no.
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  I never put any pressure on myself, girl.
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  Yeah.
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  So it wasn't like I was trying to get back into football, because once you start playing in vets football, you're a million miles away from that.
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  Of course.
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  Yeah.
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  But a lot of them were playing for Cryptian Casuals.
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  After about three or four weeks, we played a Greek side and I.
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  And I was playing at the back at the time, like, as a sweeper and we had.
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  But I was, like, coming out from sweeper and just like, beating three or four players and.
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  Do you know what I mean?
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  Top corner.
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  Anyway, so one game, we play the other side.
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  Their manager said, you've got a ringer there.
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  You've got a professional footballer playing.
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  And that kind of, like when they said it to me, what they said in the dressroom, that kind of perked me up, I think.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  So then one of the guys, Parksy, said to me, why don't you go to the Crimping Casuals?
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  So that's where I met Martin Tyler.
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  Right, Right.
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  So I was playing for their bits.
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  So that was on a.
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  That was on a Thursday.
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  So I played Tuesday and the Thursday.
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  But we used to play against Oxford University, Cambridge University, at Sanders, but it was all Martin Tyler, Jerry Sincedale.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  But I got really pounding with him, so I used to go through his house in Wandsworth because he used to live near the prison.
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  Right.
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  So I got kind of friendly with him.
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  And then they said, you've got to go and play with the first team.
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  So they spoke with Billy Smith, and then I went and trained on a Thursday night there, and then I played again and I sort of, like, done really well.
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  And then Bill went, no, we got to sign this guy.
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  On the Sunday, I was playing for the commentators, right.
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  Wow.
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  I didn't know any of this.
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  Great.
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  Wow.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  So I was playing for the commentators.
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  So all the commentators back in the day, I was playing with them on the.
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  On a Sunday, right?
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  And they were saying, you're too good to be here.
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  So everyone.
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  So from that first one, getting it on the Tuesday at the TV times, and everywhere I was playing, they were saying, you're too good to be here.
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  Wow.
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  Let me just stop you for a minute.
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  So when you did play, when you made it, that.
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  That must have been really Surreal for those guys thinking, well we were kicking about a couple years ago we played.
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  A preseason game against Tottenham and Glenn Odle was watching on the side but they had like Danny Thomas, they had Mark Falco, they had a few real good players playing in this, this game, right?
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  We played casuals, I think we drew two all.
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  I scored one and then apparently Glenodo was on a, a radio station and said I've seen one of the best non league players in years.
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  Wow.
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  Basically I think couple got the job and they were coming back from a match in the Ron Nodes, right.
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  And they had the station on and then they came to watch me.
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  Wow.
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  Well that's a great story.
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  The game I did one thing, I tried to score from the halfway line within like I think the third, first three, four minutes, right?
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  Straight away after the game, he's in the dressing room and that was it.
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  I was, I was signed.
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  One of the reasons why you're such a great guest is because I was having a quick conversation with Bright a few, few months ago and he was talking about the team of the 80s and stuff and he said,
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  well, really go.
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  He said the team of the 80s was actually our team.
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  We had that success, not the 80s team.
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  And yeah, yeah, I mean the team that you played in, Andy did, I mean they, they finished third and you know, you had the cup run, etc.
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  Etc.
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  But I always felt that the seeds were set in the era that you first joined the club, you know, in the late 70s, in the early 80s.
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  That's when the seeds, that's when the club started to change.
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  You know, that's why I wanted to do these series like team of the 80s because I felt up until then, I started watching palace when I was five years old.
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  So that was 1967.
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  Right.
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  It's a very different club.
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  You know it.
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  When Malcolm Allison came along, he changed the whole club.
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  Right?
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  And then as you know, when John Cartwright was there and Terry was there and Arnie was there, they started looking like all the other boys have all said the same thing.
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  They started looking for real talent all over the country.
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  There were some great players there, great young players there.
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  But, but because everybody was young there, you know, it was tough.
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  It was tough, you know, and, and you know, you, we're talking about forward Les Carter.
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  Let's cut.
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  Was a great.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  You know, this was great.
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  Up top, you know what he, he played what.
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  Yeah.
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  Even Lindsay.
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  Yeah.
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  Steve Lee.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I see Lindsay every now and again on Facebook.
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  Yeah, he's still knocking about.
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  Yeah, I love, see, I, I, I love those little conversations, you know, because I think we all as human beings love nostalgia, you know, but when, but when you see, like, for instance, like I said to you earlier,
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  when I see your career and I saw what you did with your career, it makes me very happy, you know, because, hell, football's a tough career.
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  It's a tough career to do and to play at the highest level, when that's something you love, which you did, makes me very happy for you, you know, all the boys, because it's so competitive.
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  Yeah, but Gal, you know what?
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  Like, I hear what Bright is, what Bright is saying, but I think I, I can answer this honestly.
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  That side, what we used to watch was better than Copples team.
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  Watching Peter Nicholas, watching Jerry Murphy, watching a bit of Stevie Kember.
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  And Peter Nicholas was a top, top, top, top midfield player.
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  Wow.
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  I be all, add it all.
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  And when you look at Kenny Sampson, right, you look at Fish.
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  Yeah, but what Fish had, he had determination and, and he could come up with the odd goal.
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  And then you had Jim Cannon.
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  He was a top, top center off Billy Gilbert.
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  Yeah, Bill, there was no one better than Billy Gilbert.
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  Yeah.
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  Right.
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  So I've gone, I've gone the back line and John Burridge.
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  So I know they could play.
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  They could play for sure.
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  Look at that back line to our team.
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  You know what back line you would have, you would have that back line, of course.
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  Right.
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  The midfield.
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  Well, I was a combination of all that.
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  Midfield.
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  Yes.
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  Do you understand?
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  Because, like as I said, I started as a center forward.
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  Yes.
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  And then played out wide.
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  So when they talk about being a, a professional footballer.
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  Well, I, I believe I was a professional footballer because I could play in more than one position.
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  Andy, when you played in the middle there, you had, you had Pardu in there.
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  No, no, no, no.
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  He was the babysitter.
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  He would come in if, if Jeff was injured or I was injured.
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  You, Jeff, and then John Salako outlet.
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  Okay.
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  And Eddie McGoldrick.
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  But Eddie done, he done better when we all left because he, he could breathe.
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  What Brighton didn't tell you about our setup?
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  There was no togetherness.
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  What?
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  Right, right, right, right.
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  We were all different individuals, you know what I mean?
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  And like, it wasn't clicky, but it wasn't as I knew the 80 side to be.
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  So I would come in, do my job, and I'll be out.
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  I think he was the only one there.
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  Jim was in that side, though, when he with you.
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  Jerry was there for a Little bit when we beat relegation.
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  I mean, Nico's the same.
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  Nico.
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  Nico said, Nico felt that the, the 80s side was like on a different planet to that side that you played in it, you know, he said, come on, Gal.
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  He said, come on, there's a football side but you can't take it away.
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  That from a fan's perspective, like they're always going to say, yeah, but that year they finished third and they got that far in the FA cup and blah, blah, blah.
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  So for me, around that time, love, you know, I was very close to Stevie, love.
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  So I was watching Millwall a lot in that time.
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  Yeah.
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  So I, I honestly, I can't comment.
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  I only saw what I saw, bits and pieces.
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  And as you know, if you're watching bits and pieces, you're not really going.
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  To find out if you're being honest.
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  It's like me breaking down the team.
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  I'm saying me and Jeff could have competed against Nico.
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  Jerry.
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  Yes.
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  And say Steve Kember.
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  Yeah.
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  Or Jerry Francis or anyone in.
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  Or Jerry Francis.
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  What I'm saying to you, like, because me and Jeff were like box to box.
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  Me and Jeff could compete against that 80s midfield all day long.
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  All day long.
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  Yes, but.
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  Right.
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  He developed his game later on.
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  So I couldn't put, say, Ian against Walshy.
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  Really.
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  Wow.
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  And I love Woolsey.
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  But.
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  But she technically was better at that stage.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Because the game changed for Ian when something clicked in him, when he, he got more aggressive.
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  You tell me, Gal, of you watching football back in the day where someone who's 5 foot 7, 5 foot 8, who's bullying 6 foot center ass.
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  Yeah, no, yeah, yeah.
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  Bright.
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  He wasn't better than David Swindler's without.
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  And for me, Mark was very intelligent, a very intelligent player.
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  And well, you know.
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  You know what's really funny?
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  You and Nico said exactly the same thing about Swindy.
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  And that's when he was underrated, by the way.
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  No, he wasn't.
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  But what I'm saying to you.
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  But Gal, this is what I'm saying.
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  Going back again, his reference, I, I can look at games and watching swindlers.
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  He wasn't a confident guy.
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  There was no arrogance about him or nothing.
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  Mark was very smart in his play because he did.
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  He wasn't the fastest, but he could, he could score a goal brightly.
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  All brighties mantra was, I want to score, I want to score, I want to score.
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  But for me, as I say, the back line in the 80s, if we had that backline, I think we could.
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  Have won the League, very possibly.
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  Because, I mean, that year, I mean, we were.
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  We were good.
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  Do you know what I mean?
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  But we were missing pieces.
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  And he done it on a shoestring.
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  Do you know what I mean?
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  Okay, okay.
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  Leicester done it a few years later, won it.
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  But we never had the backup that Leicester had, like Amaris.
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  You know what I mean?
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  Someone.
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  Backup, is he?
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  Exactly.
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  But when I look at palace, even, like, palace won three cup competitions, I mean, you might think I'm arsh, but cup competitions, if your name's on it, you're gonna win it.
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  Yeah, you're preaching to the choir.
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  I mean, you see me go on Twitter on things I say, and I understand it from a fan's perspective.
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  I do.
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  And I'm a fan, too, right?
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  I'm.
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  Listen, I'm a fan, too.
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  It's fantastic for me to sit here, watch palace, but when I watch palace now, I watch them still with the memories of me watching them as a fan, and I'm pleased for them, but not in the same way.
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  And, you know, football changed for me a long time ago when.
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  When I saw players losing on a Saturday and then going out to a nightclub Saturday night or being in Dubai on a Sunday and having a laugh and a joke, Football after that didn't dominate my life.
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  It was gonna.
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  It wasn't gonna spoil my life.
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  When I see.
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  When I see fans on Twitter and they're upset and they've done their dough and they're upset all week and they're pissed off, they need to wake up like that.
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  Okay, don't let it.
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  Don't.
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  Don't let it affect your life, because it ain't affecting theirs too much, trust me.
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  And Andy, again, you played at the highest level.
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  There's very few footballers that have that much passion and desire in them where they go home and by Sunday, Monday, they're still hurting.
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  Whereas there's so many fans, particularly up north, particularly where football is everything, that.
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  That really ruins their life, you know?
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  And that's.
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  That.
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  That.
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  That's such a shame to me.
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  You know, the.
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  The.
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  I was talking to Stevie Love on the pod, and I don't know if you saw it where back in.
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  Of course, everything has changed with.
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  With this.
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  With the cell phone and a camera on your phone.
• 23:17
  Everything has changed.
• 23:18
  But, you know, the lads used to go in the Glaziers after the game, have a chat with the fans, walk from the car park into the ground, have a chat with the fans.
• 23:29
  Yeah.
• 23:30
  These days, again, I see the palace fans on Twitter they're upset that Mateta's going and SARS going.
• 23:39
  Listen, mate, football's changed.
• 23:41
  Sara and Mateta don't give a where they play.
• 23:43
  They're going to play where they get the most though.
• 23:46
  And they're in what they feel is a better team.
• 23:49
  They have no allegiance to South London or the fans or Sellers Park.
• 23:52
  It's just another club to them.
• 23:54
  Whereas back in the 80s, in the 70s, where you came from South London, or at least you may have come from the uk, yeah, it meant something to pay for Crystal palace.
• 24:03
  You know what I mean?
• 24:04
  That's my, that's my viewpoint, Andy.
• 24:06
  You're absolutely right.
• 24:07
  Gallon.
• 24:08
  I, I think at the end of the day someone's getting 120 grand a week or 70 grand a week, right?
• 24:17
  That's not the same.
• 24:19
  He's not the same.
• 24:21
  Because at the end of the day, if they lose 21 at the end of the month, he's still getting his readies.
• 24:26
  The football's changed so much that players who not even playing 20 games are getting 4 million pound contracts.
• 24:38
  I know, I know.
• 24:40
  And they play one season in their bang average and they're okay for life.
• 24:43
  Back in the day you could watch your, your professional team train, right.
• 24:49
  And the people that would come are so respectful.
• 24:54
  You never heard of anyone being thrown out of the, the training ground or being too loud, but because the players and the people are so respectful, they could come so close to where you're actually gonna go in the
• 25:06
  door and have your cup of tea in that and be respectful.
• 25:11
  But now they, this big gates, they can't even see inside.
• 25:19
  When I was at palace and we used to walk out the dressing room and then see our families in the, in the glazes or wherever that, that place is.
• 25:28
  Where the door is.
• 25:29
  Yeah, that little bar.
• 25:32
  Yeah.
• 25:32
  Well, you're, you're, you're mingling with somebody who's paid back in the day.
• 25:38
  I don't know, 15 quid a seat.
• 25:40
  Correct.
• 25:40
  Yeah.
• 25:41
  So good, good game or bad game, whatever the, the result is, you're there mingling with that person.
• 25:49
  Yeah.
• 25:49
  It's not like that anymore.
• 25:50
  No, no.
• 25:52
  The money's changed it, the TVs changed it, the cell phones changed it.
• 25:57
  Right.
• 25:58
  Because again, as you know, I remember Fish being in the glazes.
• 26:03
  He'd have a, you know, you played with them, he'd have a cigarette.
• 26:09
  Imagine that nowadays in the glazes with a lager and a cigarette, you'd get slaughtered on Sunday, you get slaughtered Saturday night.
• 26:15
  It'd be on all over social media.
• 26:17
  So I understand why there's a little bit more protection for players.
• 26:22
  But all I'm saying is, is it's become such a disparity.
• 26:26
  Me, Phil Philoder.
• 26:29
  Yeah.
• 26:30
  When I was starting working, I was carrying bricks for Phil's building firm.
• 26:34
  In the summer we had Boily, we had Gavin Nebula, we had him on the site carrying brick.
• 26:40
  That's in the summer because, you know, a bit more extra dough and it kept them fit.
• 26:46
  Yeah.
• 26:46
  That's how much the game's changed.
• 26:48
  That was the first division.
• 26:49
  Imagine that.
• 26:49
  Now in the Premier League, the case is on the side carrying a few bricks.
• 26:53
  Imagine.
• 26:55
  They're on super yachts.
• 26:57
  My mum, because my mum was trying to make extra dough.
• 27:01
  I don't know if you know this.
• 27:03
  So we lived in a council flat in Croydon, but it was too bed.
• 27:07
  My mum, in the end she took in David Fry, goalkeeper.
• 27:12
  Okay.
• 27:13
  Yeah.
• 27:14
  So David.
• 27:15
  David was.
• 27:16
  Those are great days, man.
• 27:18
  David was living with me when he made his debut against Man United and then he played against Arsenal.
• 27:25
  Yeah.
• 27:25
  Again me, Andy, how much the game has changed.
• 27:30
  Right.
• 27:30
  Imagine playing Man United and Arsenal these days, right.
• 27:33
  As a keeper, you're not staying in a council house in Croydon.
• 27:37
  As and I.
• 27:39
  He had a single bed in my bedroom.
• 27:41
  Right.
• 27:41
  He was renting the club but paying 25, 30 quid a week.
• 27:44
  I don't know.
• 27:45
  I can't remember.
• 27:46
  My mum was making a bit of extra dough and then when David left, Gavin came in.
• 27:51
  Gavin Neblin.
• 27:51
  Go on, Miguel.
• 27:52
  Just quickly.
• 27:54
  Do you think the game's changed for the better?
• 27:58
  No, I.
• 27:59
  I was watching.
• 28:01
  I was watching the chat with Soonness and.
• 28:03
  And Dalglish and then after that I watched.
• 28:08
  Hell, I was some of Dalglish's goals.
• 28:10
  What a player.
• 28:11
  And if you look at any.
• 28:12
  You look at any of those games.
• 28:15
  70S and 80s.
• 28:16
  Silky said the same.
• 28:17
  Silky was talking about fitness and speed and stuff and he broke it down like only Silky would break it down.
• 28:24
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:25
  You know he gave you the dove visitor stats and it's like.
• 28:30
  But he was right.
• 28:31
  And I think what it is like anything marketing.
• 28:37
  There's so much dumb in football that it has to be marketed a certain way from sky and whatever that the Premier Leagues to be all and end all.
• 28:44
  Like we talked about Fish earlier and Paul.
• 28:47
  Paul Ishwood, for those who don't know was Fish.
• 28:50
  I was old enough or I'm old enough to remember when he started.
• 28:53
  And he played up front.
• 28:55
  Yeah.
• 28:56
  And then he went to right back.
• 28:59
  But what I'm saying is the reason I'm using my age as a reference here is because football wasn't sold in that way then.
• 29:06
  Now it's.
• 29:06
  Now it's sold you that.
• 29:08
  It's the greatest thing.
• 29:09
  It's the greatest brand.
• 29:10
  And this.
• 29:10
  And it is branded very well.
• 29:13
  But the game, the game itself, I don't think was technically better or more entertaining now than it was then.
• 29:21
  When people say, oh, the game is much fitter now, is it?
• 29:25
  Bollocks.
• 29:26
  It's slower.
• 29:27
  You're trying to tell me.
• 29:29
  If I'm saying that I'm.
• 29:31
  Box.
• 29:31
  The box.
• 29:33
  When we're defending and then we counter attack, I have got to be in the opposition now.
• 29:39
  And then when the opposition have got it, I've then got a run back.
• 29:44
  Yeah.
• 29:45
  Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
• 29:49
  Today's football.
• 29:50
  The goalkeeper rolls it out to the right back or the left back or gives it to the center up.
• 29:55
  He pops it into the midfield guy.
• 29:57
  He does a pirouette, gives it out wide, but he doesn't then run into the opposition box.
• 30:07
  So he's holding.
• 30:08
  He's holding there.
• 30:08
  Yeah, yeah.
• 30:09
  It's just sold in there.
• 30:11
  So there's no threat.
• 30:12
  When I went to Crimson Casual, I said to my coaches, I want to play four, four, two.
• 30:17
  I want two wingers.
• 30:19
  All I want my wingers to do is get the ball in the box.
• 30:22
  The more times you're crossing that ball in the box, the more chance you've got a scoring.
• 30:26
  But they can't grasp that.
• 30:28
  I'm saying to him, I don't want you coming back.
• 30:30
  I want you to up the line, up the line.
• 30:33
  And then I said, my midfield man, give it to him.
• 30:36
  And you don't need to have more than two touch.
• 30:38
  Just give it to him.
• 30:39
  And then follow, follow, follow on.
• 30:41
  Let me put this to you.
• 30:42
  If you're one nil down and you've got two minutes left, what do teams do to get the.
• 30:52
  To get the equalizer?
• 30:54
  They.
• 30:55
  They go long, right?
• 30:56
  Yeah, yeah.
• 30:58
  So if you want to go long to get the equalizer, why don't you start from long to then get in front two or three.
• 31:06
  Great point.
• 31:08
  Great point.
• 31:09
  Great point.
• 31:10
  That's a great point, Andy.
• 31:13
  You know what I mean?
• 31:14
  It's like, why you waiting for the last two minutes to go long?
• 31:20
  So say like Man City is playing, say Burnley.
• 31:24
  You're telling me that I'm Burnley, but I want to not ask questions of Man City.
• 31:33
  You've got your two wingers, you've got your two guys up front and you've got your midfield.
• 31:38
  Why, why don't want to roll out and play from the back when we're not technically good enough to do that.
• 31:45
  So for me I'm just go long.
• 31:48
  Go long.
• 31:49
  Yeah, yeah.
• 31:51
  Bypass it.
• 31:52
  Bypass de Bruyne.
• 31:55
  Exactly.
• 31:57
  But, but it doesn't that make sense.
• 31:59
  But, but I think where football's gone crazy is that this brand that you said that teams who haven't got the ability to play to their strengths and buy players one big one, one small one, but they don't.
• 32:20
  As you're talking to me, I'm thinking when Wimbledon were in the first division they didn't.
• 32:25
  They didn't play that way.
• 32:26
  They played their way.
• 32:27
  Right, exactly.
• 32:28
  They were going to knock it up top to fash fashion was going to hold it off.
• 32:31
  Yeah, yeah.
• 32:32
  You're talking about.
• 32:33
  But they survived playing that way.
• 32:36
  They didn't want to.
• 32:36
  They weren't trying to play like Liverpool or Man United.
• 32:39
  Right.
• 32:40
  But if you look at Liverpool when, when they were a Rolls Royce of a team, that's how teams are playing now.
• 32:47
  So that's how far Liverpool were.
• 32:50
  Yeah, that's how far they were.
• 32:52
  Because that's outside want to play only like.
• 32:57
  But even if you look at Arsenal, Arsenal or Arsenal are like a.
• 33:02
  A mashup of all different styles.
• 33:05
  They've got all different Arsenal right now.
• 33:08
  Are on a different.
• 33:09
  They're on a different planet and they.
• 33:10
  Yeah.
• 33:11
  When palace said Bentecki.
• 33:15
  Oh Bentecki.
• 33:17
  The worst thing he did was sign up palace because as soon as he signed the palace the, the taps were turned off because he wasn't going to get the service.
• 33:26
  You know, listen, I'm going to get pelt as he.
• 33:29
  But it's fine.
• 33:31
  He played up top with Zaha.
• 33:32
  If you play up top with Zaha you don't know if the cross is coming in.
• 33:35
  How many times have I said that?
• 33:37
  You don't know.
• 33:37
  Right.
• 33:38
  Because when Sam.
• 33:39
  When, when, when Benteki played for Sam.
• 33:42
  He's one.
• 33:43
  Ipsam wants the balls coming in the box and he started scoring goals.
• 33:47
  What a shock when he's up.
• 33:49
  When he was up top there with Zaha and you don't ever know Andy and you've played up front.
• 33:54
  If you don't know if that cross is coming in, you don't make your runs anymore.
• 33:58
  You don't.
• 33:58
  You go this right.
• 34:00
  True enough.
• 34:01
  Yeah, but.
• 34:01
  Yeah but Gal, you see there's a flip side to that.
• 34:04
  This is where the games change.
• 34:06
  In my day and your day, the center forward would have grabbed you at half time and said, if you don't get that right, there's going to be trouble.
• 34:19
  Zaha is the.
• 34:22
  The poster boy.
• 34:24
  So there was no one in that team would have ever done that to him.
• 34:32
  But back in our day, that would have happened.
• 34:35
  Yeah.
• 34:36
  Yeah.
• 34:36
  And also then, Andy, what we forget the pictures you guys played on.
• 34:41
  Oh, you had to be a player to play on those.
• 34:44
  Like now they, they.
• 34:46
  They could play in their shoes.
• 34:48
  Listen, anytime you're playing Mealwool, you're putting the leather studs in the long ones that, that size.
• 34:53
  You know what I mean?
• 34:58
  When I listen to talk sport, when I hear Jamie o' Hara talk and criticize and I'm thinking, are you for real?
• 35:10
  Have you had a second chance to even talk about anyone?
• 35:13
  Just the rubbish that you've done just doesn't make sense, girl.
• 35:19
  Did.
• 35:20
  Did you play with o'?
• 35:21
  Hara?
• 35:22
  No, but when I.
• 35:24
  We had the agency and like, obviously we used to go out with the players, the character of him was just absolutely no good.
• 35:35
  Mate, I ain't gonna say much.
• 35:36
  I didn't make it as a pro, but for me, he was.
• 35:38
  He looks very ordinary and played very ordinary, you know, So I don't get some of those people on there.
• 35:45
  You have to respect their.
• 35:47
  Respect their intelligence.
• 35:48
  Even Simon Jordan, you know, he talks, he's got some knowledge to him.
• 35:51
  But when I hear those players.
• 35:53
  Okay, you know, anyway, it's not good.
• 35:55
  And you're absolutely correct.
• 35:57
  The.
• 35:58
  The Bentecki, who knows what he's.
• 36:01
  What he was saying, you know, in half time or training.
• 36:04
  But all I know is he wasn't getting the balls into the box.
• 36:07
  And when you're not getting balls in the box and you're like Ben Techie, that's what you feed off.
• 36:11
  Yeah.
• 36:12
  But I guarantee another reason why he won't mostly stay much there, because he was on about 80 grand a week.
• 36:20
  I love this way the chat's going.
• 36:22
  It's fantastic.
• 36:23
  You're at Palace.
• 36:28
  The first year you joined, was it the first year or the second year you joined?
• 36:32
  You had that cup run.
• 36:34
  I left in.
• 36:36
  I signed back in 83, 84 season, but it was like November.
• 36:42
  We were sort of like struggling in the old second division, which is now the championship, Right.
• 36:47
  And funny enough, my debut, my full debut was against Grimsby away, and I scored on my full debut.
• 36:56
  We beat him.
• 36:57
  Three, two, Nico.
• 37:01
  Yeah.
• 37:01
  Nikos got one.
• 37:03
  I got one.
• 37:03
  And Brian Sparrow, God rest his soul, got one that season.
• 37:10
  Nico left near the end to go to Luton.
• 37:15
  Oh, did he go Luton.
• 37:16
  Oh, because he'd come back by that time he was Arsenal and then came back, right?
• 37:20
  Yeah.
• 37:21
  He come back from Arsenal to Palace and then he went and then Luton to Chelsea.
• 37:27
  All right, yeah, because early Wally was there, old, old artist boots.
• 37:35
  Early Wally, proper football.
• 37:39
  Yeah.
• 37:39
  And then we had like people like Mickey Droy, George woods.
• 37:46
  But see the thing about we had like Gary Locke.
• 37:51
  So there was some older pros coming to near the end of their career.
• 37:55
  So you can imagine the likes of me coming back.
• 37:59
  But Jim knowing me.
• 38:00
  But Jim.
• 38:02
  Jim knew me as like a 13 year old, like big mouth.
• 38:08
  So I had to sort of like gain the respect because you know what Jim's like, like, what are you signing players like that for?
• 38:17
  You know what I mean?
• 38:18
  Especially coming from like non league sort of thing.
• 38:20
  But when I first signed back, as I said, we had these older pros and it's really difficult because they didn't like the fact that copper was buying places.
• 38:34
  We bought a guy called Steve Galloway from Sutton United.
• 38:41
  So Steve signed first, then Steve signed me, then we had Phil Barber, I think Phil was there before me and we had Gary's.
• 38:52
  Remember Gary Stebbins?
• 38:54
  Yeah, Steps here.
• 38:55
  Yes, yes.
• 38:56
  So Stubbs was like a part of.
• 38:59
  He was the youth though, wasn't he?
• 39:00
  Was stubs.
• 39:01
  He was in the youth side there, wasn't he?
• 39:03
  Yeah, no, he come through, yeah, but he come through to use.
• 39:06
  But he was like the next sort of like next one on the rank.
• 39:11
  Yeah, but he was just worn out, he was shot, you know what I mean?
• 39:14
  And yeah,.
• 39:18
  Yeah, he was, he was over it.
• 39:21
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was like physically and mentally he was gone, do you know what I mean?
• 39:25
  And like.
• 39:26
  But you could see the anger from up, from the ones he brought in, like we would like the energy.
• 39:33
  So I played from 83 to 87.
• 39:38
  Bobby Ghoul tried to sign me for Bristol City, right.
• 39:44
  Copple wouldn't let me go, not a problem.
• 39:48
  So I think they gave me 50 quid.
• 39:51
  I had to sign another contract for 50 quid.
• 39:53
  So that put me on 200 quid.
• 39:59
  Yeah.
• 40:01
  So then what happened was we went on a pre season and George Wood like come into the room.
• 40:12
  I'm not going to say too much about it, but it nearly went off, right.
• 40:19
  I used that as an excuse to say, up yours, I'm leaving, I'm off here, I'm off.
• 40:29
  So basically Graham Taylor came in for me when obviously Villa got relegated and he was the new manager and God rest his soul as well, the tapping up.
• 40:40
  I Mean, he was ringing me at my mum's house, like virtually every day.
• 40:44
  We need you, we need you, we need you.
• 40:47
  Do you know what I mean?
• 40:48
  So we went up there, we played him, they beat us 4:1.
• 40:53
  And that was in October time.
• 40:56
  Mark Walters scored three goals.
• 40:59
  But I always loved Mark Walters as a kid.
• 41:04
  I really loved the way he played in that.
• 41:06
  And cut, cut to the chase.
• 41:11
  Basically I left palace, but they, they sort of like put silly rumors.
• 41:17
  I said, okay, if that's the way it's going to be, cyber them or me.
• 41:22
  But at the time, he weren't letting them go.
• 41:26
  Do you know what I mean?
• 41:27
  Right, right, right, right.
• 41:29
  So I bullied my way out of there and played at Villa, got promotion, got any England under 21s?
• 41:40
  But I played with Gaza against Scotland and not at Nottingham Forest ground that summer.
• 41:45
  But don't forget I knew Venice as a kid.
• 41:49
  Yes, because, because Venice used to drop me off at Clapham Common in the summer when his daughters used to come, right?
• 41:56
  He used to drop me off at Clapham Common right at the end of the, the training.
• 42:00
  So, yeah, so I played that game and we got promoted.
• 42:04
  Ted Buxton rang me in the summer and said, listen, Andy, Tottenham want.
• 42:08
  Yeah, I went, oh, okay.
• 42:11
  So I went into Graham Taylor.
• 42:13
  He said, he's not selling me.
• 42:16
  And they bought Paul Stewart, right, I remember you.
• 42:21
  Yeah, they bought Paul Stewart, so.
• 42:23
  Because obviously they wouldn't sell me.
• 42:25
  And then I started the season, but I got up.
• 42:28
  The first game in the, in the, the Premiership was against Arsenal.
• 42:33
  We beat him free 2.
• 42:35
  I had a real good game.
• 42:37
  I scored a free kick from about 35 yards and then I'm busy, do you know what I mean?
• 42:44
  Like driving that and buzzing.
• 42:46
  Then two weeks later, this is how mad football is.
• 42:48
  I got sent off against Sheffield Wednesday.
• 42:51
  Gary Medicine, like, he mugged me off and like, yeah, I got sent off and then Kevin Gage played in because Kevin Gage was playing right back.
• 43:04
  So then Kevin, when I was out for like, I think it was two games Kevin played and they won the two games.
• 43:09
  But Kevin done really, really well.
• 43:12
  I mean, I got old me hands up even I told him this because he does the compare when we do the villa and I'm using Kevin.
• 43:19
  It was around Christmas time I got in the team, but Graham was playing me at right wing right.
• 43:27
  We played Queen's Park Rangers, but Trevor Francis was the player manager, so we played him.
• 43:33
  And I'm playing out there on the wing and they were struggling in the old championship.
• 43:40
  Anyway, I had a good Game.
• 43:42
  And before we were walking off he said, would you like to come back to London?
• 43:48
  So basically he approached me on the pitch, so because I was like in and out the team, I said it, yeah, I want to go back home.
• 43:57
  And then he sold me to Queen's Park Rangers, I think for 550 back in the day.
• 44:05
  So I don't know what you would have back then because they bought me for 150, which palace was screaming about is too cheap, you know what I mean?
• 44:17
  But it is what it is, do you know what I mean?
• 44:21
  So, yeah, so I got back, went to Queen's Park Rangers.
• 44:26
  I was there for three months.
• 44:28
  But palace were in the old first.
• 44:33
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, Second, Second.
• 44:34
  First.
• 44:35
  Yeah, yeah.
• 44:36
  So they were pushing for promotion but I was still in, like in touch with Brighty.
• 44:43
  Righty.
• 44:44
  Even like when I would come down Saturday nights, go with the Browns and you know what I mean, like.
• 44:48
  But yeah, so we always in touch, talking about Browns.
• 44:53
  I'm still in touch with Jake.
• 44:54
  We still speak all the time.
• 44:55
  Yeah, send my regards to him.
• 44:57
  I loved him.
• 44:57
  He's a great guy.
• 44:58
  No, he's lovely.
• 44:59
  He's lovely, yeah.
• 45:00
  Gone.
• 45:00
  The game against Blackburn, when they got promoted at Sellers, I was outside.
• 45:07
  I didn't actually watch the game, I was outside the ground in my car.
• 45:13
  But that night they were having the Player of the Year thing anyway, so I went to the Player of the Year dance that night and then Copper went to me, do you want to come back?
• 45:25
  I went, yeah, definitely.
• 45:28
  So Monday comes, I ring Trevor Francis up and says, trev, listen, I want to go back home.
• 45:35
  So that was the year we got to the Cup Final.
• 45:39
  Well, that was part one.
• 45:42
  What a show.
• 45:44
  Loving it.
• 45:44
  Absolutely loving it.
• 45:47
  Join me next week, September 29th.
• 45:50
  I think it is Tuesday, September 29th, where Andy in part two will be telling us about how he got into the England team and all about that FA cup semi final against Liverpool and what he felt was the
• 46:05
  end of his career.
• 46:06
  Thanks very much for listening and I see you next week for part two.