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Dirty Dancing with Emily Ruskowski · The Bechdel Cast

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Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast. The questions asked if movies have
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Speaker 1: women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands?
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Speaker 1: What do they have? Individualism, the patriarchy ze and best
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Speaker 1: start changing it with the Betel Cast. Hi, and welcome
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Speaker 1: to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin and we
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Speaker 1: are recording an intro for an episode that we did live.
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Speaker 1: We did a live episode for the Women in Comedy
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Speaker 1: Festival in Boston, Massachusetts at Improv Boston. It was so
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Speaker 1: much fun. This happened in late April. We had a
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Speaker 1: great time. It was our first live episode, which brings
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Speaker 1: us to why we're recording the intro in Los Angeles. Well,
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Speaker 1: the audio quality turned out to be not super great,
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Speaker 1: So which are bad? We didn't check stuff and we
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Speaker 1: you know, we're learning. I would like to blame the
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Speaker 1: patriarchy we're learning, I would. Yeah. I'm triggered. Yeah, as
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Speaker 1: always I'm triggered, never not triggered, right acast great? Sure, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So recording this little intro, We're gonna do some stuff
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Speaker 1: at the top, like reintroduce our guests and things like that.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, we apologize for the audio quality being not
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Speaker 1: super great. Fortunately, the best audio quality that came out
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Speaker 1: of it, which shout out to Caitlin for sifting through
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Speaker 1: all the audio of us yelling, but our guests audio
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Speaker 1: came out pretty well, and so most of her sage
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Speaker 1: points remain intact. Indeed, also shout out to our producer
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Speaker 1: Aristotle for always giving us great audio quality. We didn't
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Speaker 1: know how good we had it until he was gone,
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Speaker 1: So true, that's how it always is. But thank you
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Speaker 1: to the Women in Comedy Festival for letting us do it.
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Speaker 1: Thank you to Improv Boston for having us, and thank
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Speaker 1: you to our guest Emily Riskowski, who is a good
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Speaker 1: friend of both of ours. She is a comic Boston.
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Speaker 1: She's so funny. She's spent on two dub Queens. She
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Speaker 1: does shows all around the city. She's originally out of DC.
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Speaker 1: She's just she's a goddess. She's the best. We're so
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Speaker 1: happy we had. She brought us the movie Dirty Dancing.
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Speaker 1: And also we and I know we always say we're
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Speaker 1: gonna put it in the description, but we have a
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Speaker 1: great picture of the three of us for this one.
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Speaker 1: She brought us Dirty Dancing, and she dressed as Patrick Swayze.
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Speaker 1: She dressed in all black CAUs played as Johnny Castle.
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Speaker 1: It was unbelievable, and she came out to the stage.
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Speaker 1: We called her up in the stage. We had no
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Speaker 1: idea this was happening. Came out to the stage carrying
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Speaker 1: a watermelon, which is a reference a movie. Yeah, she
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Speaker 1: was doing Baby and Johnny Castle at the same time.
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Speaker 1: She's that good. She's that good. We have to do
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Speaker 1: a little bit more of the I have to start
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Speaker 1: with the recap. The live episode picks up when I'm
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Speaker 1: like in the middle of the famous Okay cap. It's
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Speaker 1: so funny, Like we sound like garbage in the recording,
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Speaker 1: like pretty universally because we're always like and our guests
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Speaker 1: were very cool, very composed. Mostly I think I'm like
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Speaker 1: talked about Jerry Orbach in this episode. So you didn't
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Speaker 1: miss anything, you can confirm. Yeah. So Dirty Dancing is
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Speaker 1: a story about a character named Baby played by Jennifer Gray.
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Speaker 1: She and her rich family go to a rich people camp.
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Speaker 1: Jerry Orbach is her father. They go to this summer
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Speaker 1: camp to learn about how to dance and how to
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Speaker 1: wear wigs and other things. Yeah, wigs outside, that's offensive,
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Speaker 1: wigs outside, wigs but like outside, Yeah, I love it.
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Speaker 1: Sold she's like, oh, I wanna. I want to hang
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Speaker 1: out with these cool people. They seem to be dancing.
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Speaker 1: So there's a six sex Yes, the sexy poor. This
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Speaker 1: is a new this is it doesn't exist in the
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Speaker 1: real world, but it's prevalent in this camp. Fuckable poor.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought it up because it's it's an
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Speaker 1: important thing that we do address. So she's like, who
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Speaker 1: are these people who are dancing? All cool and they're
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Speaker 1: hot and they're poor because they're like the work staff.
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Speaker 1: They're the teachers who teach the dance class and the
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Speaker 1: white stuff, all this stuff. She's like, I want to
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Speaker 1: get in with this group. And the main one, the
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Speaker 1: coolest one, is the king of the hot pores. His
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Speaker 1: name is Johnny Castle Baby, and he has a friend
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Speaker 1: named Penny. And Penny finds herself in a situation where
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Speaker 1: she is pregnant and she does not want to be
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Speaker 1: because she got pregnant by this character named Robbie who
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Speaker 1: was a piece of ship, not sexy or poor. Hey hey,
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Speaker 1: So Baby's like, I want to help. I'm gonna help
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Speaker 1: with this. She's like, here, I'm gonna get some money
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Speaker 1: for you. The thing is, though, there's a oh, the
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Speaker 1: traveling abortion is he's like a carnival guy. He comes around,
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Speaker 1: he tours nuns up, He's like Bruce Springsteen. He comes
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Speaker 1: to your town every so often and it gives you
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Speaker 1: an abortion. Is he good at abortions? No? But he
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Speaker 1: is the amazing Traveling Abortionists. But there's also some very
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Speaker 1: interesting context for that that we'll get into, which made
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Speaker 1: me feel bad for, you know, saying what I just did,
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Speaker 1: which is the traveling Abortionists in a fun way, and
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Speaker 1: then an audience, remember, gave us some incredible context and
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Speaker 1: now we can share it. But I also got to
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Speaker 1: do the thing. Yes, So so the thing is Johnny
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Speaker 1: and his like dancing partner Penny have this gig that
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Speaker 1: they have to do on a Thursday. But oh no,
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Speaker 1: that's the only day that the Traveling Abortionists comes to town.
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Speaker 1: Crazy plot hole. So Penny goes off and gets her
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Speaker 1: traveling abortion. Meanwhile, Baby, they're like, well, someone suggests as
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Speaker 1: a joke, like what if you dance in her place?
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Speaker 1: What if you learn these dances? Baby? And she's like
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Speaker 1: a counsels like, no freaking way, I'm king poor, I
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Speaker 1: don't know dance with baby rich. But then it ends
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Speaker 1: up happening anyway because she's like, I'm going to prove myself.
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Speaker 1: And then they start training. There's a bunch of training
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Speaker 1: montages and then this is pretty much where yes, that's
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Speaker 1: the longest training montage every all butts, so many butts,
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Speaker 1: equal opportunity to male female. We're looking at a lot
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Speaker 1: of butts. Love it, love it. Very horny movie too,
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Speaker 1: but no depth, no horny. Depth is now unfortunately horny.
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Speaker 1: Not a lot of depth, pretty surface horny. So that's
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Speaker 1: where we kind of pick up on the live episodes,
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Speaker 1: so we will transition into that. Please enjoy, Emily Riskowski,
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Speaker 1: you kind of dodged a bullet with all the your
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Speaker 1: Box Talk which is my new podcast, check it out
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Speaker 1: or rock Talk. Yeah, enjoy, enjoy. Then what happens surprised?
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Speaker 1: The traveling abortion is not too good? No, not too good.
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Speaker 1: He he he messes it up. We're not told exactly how,
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Speaker 1: and that's probably for the bass, but it's like real bad.
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Speaker 1: So how they get to do the abortion is because
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Speaker 1: baby went to her dad and asked for the money.
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Speaker 1: He lied to Jerry O. She lied to Jerry or
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Speaker 1: box one. Let's just take a moment. What do you
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Speaker 1: ever seen one or get You don't why the Jerry
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Speaker 1: or Back can get away in it? Well? Yeah, so
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Speaker 1: so yeah, she lies to her dad about because he
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Speaker 1: asked if it's illegal, and he is daddy. She gets
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Speaker 1: his to She calls him daddy the whole movie, So
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Speaker 1: there's that, but she al says Terry Orbank, so it's
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Speaker 1: like he's everyone's Daddy's every America's daddy. He's your daddy.
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Speaker 1: So Jerry or Back winds up paying for this abortion
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Speaker 1: and then he goes and finds out what his money
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Speaker 1: was for, and he freaks out and he, like everyone else,
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Speaker 1: assumes that Johnny's the one who got Penny pregnant. I
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Speaker 1: see why Jerry Orback was upset. No one communicates with him,
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Speaker 1: no one gives it to him straight. And if you've
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Speaker 1: seen him in line where he needs you to give
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Speaker 1: it to him straight, he's like, I couldn't know when
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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Yeah, he band's baby from like hanging out
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Speaker 1: with him. So what does she do. She starts having
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Speaker 1: sex with Johnny Castle like immediately like that. The Carmine
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Speaker 1: is also weird in this movie because it's like we're
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Speaker 1: here at the beginning of the summer. They're training the waiters.
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Speaker 1: The dance stuff just got here. But also Penny's already
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Speaker 1: pregnant by Robbie, So like when did that happen? A
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Speaker 1: whole summer passes. I would like to pay check a
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Speaker 1: little bit to the scene with the watermelon where Baby
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Speaker 1: meets Billy, who I love. Billy is Johnny Castle's cousin.
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Speaker 1: We assume his names Billy Castle, but we don't know
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Speaker 1: for sure. But Billy needs a sweetheart and doesn't find love. Uh,
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Speaker 1: he doesn't deserve it because he's shorter than Johnny according
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Speaker 1: to God to nineteen sixties lodgeing, since he's either he
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Speaker 1: is unsuckable. Uh, but you know, he's also attended like
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Speaker 1: the rest of hell. He's a working class babe. Like that.
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Speaker 1: There's a whole camp. It's like like weird looking which
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Speaker 1: people and very hot port people, which is which is great.
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Speaker 1: That's how I would like the whole world to be.
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Speaker 1: But so Billy says like, hey, I got these watermelons.
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Speaker 1: It's more articulate. I want to bring him into the
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Speaker 1: basement with me where everyone's fuck dancing, And then she
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Speaker 1: sees Johnny Castle and Penny dancing together, very sexually. They're
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Speaker 1: the best at fuck dancing and everyone knows it. And
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Speaker 1: then there's this moment where Baby asks Billy Castle or
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Speaker 1: aren't they together? And he's like, no, they were together
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Speaker 1: when they were kids, but not anymore. Immediately cut to
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Speaker 1: a shot of what looks like Patrick Swayzy, like going
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Speaker 1: down on Penny while holding her six ft in the air,
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Speaker 1: and Lan is and and Baby isn't like, are you sure?
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Speaker 1: Sus like there might be something there? How old is
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Speaker 1: Patrick Spazy in this movie? Oh? We telled all very
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Speaker 1: mus he's sucking a teenager? Or is it cute? Maybe
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Speaker 1: he's supposed to be like eighteen? Rights, probably he's actually thirty.
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Speaker 1: He looks much older than her. Yeah, I couldn't get
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Speaker 1: hold he was supposed to be, which again, because I
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Speaker 1: want to be on Jerry or box side at every
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Speaker 1: point in this movie. Again, I'm just like, you know what,
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Speaker 1: if a man of indeterminable age who I had already
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Speaker 1: known was a JIGGERO was pursuing my daughter, I too
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Speaker 1: would be like, hey, maybe not, you know so what
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Speaker 1: also we're so it all kind of culminates right there,
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Speaker 1: fucking everything's great, And then while it's start getting stolen
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Speaker 1: and they suspect that it is Johnny Castle. Baby comes rod,
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Speaker 1: she's like, we were together. He gets fired again. Is
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Speaker 1: it better to have stolen a wallet or had sex
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Speaker 1: a teenager? You know? Again? We eat that angel to
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Speaker 1: my mother like there's no winning friend. And then at
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Speaker 1: the end, Johnny comes back and he's like, I have
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Speaker 1: a speech to give and he gives it. It gives
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Speaker 1: that speech, and then before that he grabs Baby and
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Speaker 1: he says the famous line from the movie Nobody puts
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Speaker 1: Baby in a corner, and then he yanks her out
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Speaker 1: of the corner, which can exactly is it like literally,
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Speaker 1: because she's like sitting in a corner. She's literally in
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Speaker 1: a corner. And he's like that's not okay, And no
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Speaker 1: one's like why we just They're like, you're right and right,
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Speaker 1: there's a figurative corner. Is a literal corner? What does
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Speaker 1: he mean? I never understood this quote. She seemed to
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Speaker 1: be moved by it. I was openly crying. I love
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Speaker 1: the scene where Baby basically says, Okay, I've been sucking
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Speaker 1: the beefcake and Jerry roback and she's like, but you
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Speaker 1: suck too, and then Jerry about cries and you're just like, oh,
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Speaker 1: he's so raw. Uh that or the aftermath is that
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Speaker 1: kind of bothered me because then, uh, first of all,
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Speaker 1: Johnny has given like the big climactic speech at the end.
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Speaker 1: Baby isn't even though she's the main character. You think
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Speaker 1: she would have this like cathartic moment to be like,
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Speaker 1: I'm tired of well when I'm putting me in the
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Speaker 1: corner figuratively right as you will. She has a speech
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Speaker 1: she could give, we just never hear it, or she's
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Speaker 1: gonna say dad, not like to everybody in a big way, right,
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Speaker 1: And there was I mean, and again, it's like, I
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Speaker 1: never wanted to sound like we're cutting a movie slack
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Speaker 1: when they're not doing the right thing and they're not
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Speaker 1: doing right by their female characters. But this movie does
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Speaker 1: take place in nineteen sixty three, which sort of shifts
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Speaker 1: the context a little bit. The more I thought about
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Speaker 1: certain scenes where in ninete, I mean to me, it
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Speaker 1: was kind of impressive that parents were so on board
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Speaker 1: with both of their daughters going to college and like
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Speaker 1: really making careers for themselves, and and and and But
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Speaker 1: then on on the other hand, that they are actually
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Speaker 1: trying to Harry them off. But but I don't know,
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Speaker 1: and I I mean, we weren't. We weren't around O
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Speaker 1: carry I'm four years old, but I I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Putting it in context of the time it was supposed
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Speaker 1: to take place, even though it takes place in the sixties,
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Speaker 1: it feels a very seven movie. Like all the hair,
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Speaker 1: any outfits are that they're like besie and carry me
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Speaker 1: not dead yet, So you're like, Okay, you know, I'm
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Speaker 1: telling you President Kennedy is not dead yet, so you
13:46
Speaker 1: can be like, I mean, I can enjoy this now.
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Speaker 1: It was a simple time. It's important actually, So I
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Speaker 1: think the female characters in this movie are great, Like
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Speaker 1: I think they're really I think Yanny is awesome. I
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Speaker 1: think they like the main character is named after Francis Perkins,
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Speaker 1: first woman in the Cabinet FDRs Labor secretary, Like that's
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Speaker 1: our main character. But then again they call her baby
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Speaker 1: like so the parts that you're like, I like that.
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Speaker 1: A lot of times Hollywood films, we'll be like, oh,
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Speaker 1: character is pregnant, Well, she's only got one option and
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Speaker 1: that's to have the baby. And the way the abortion
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Speaker 1: is approached in this movie is and it's not made
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Speaker 1: out to be the issue that a movie in nineteen
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Speaker 1: sixty three or eighty seven could have made it out
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Speaker 1: to be as this big like is it ethical to
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Speaker 1: do it? Like baby is immediately like, oh, we've gotta
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Speaker 1: get you money to get this abortion. And then when
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Speaker 1: Penny finds out, you know, like there's a moment of
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Speaker 1: back and forth, But the only reason there's a back
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Speaker 1: and forth or whether they she'll do it or not
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Speaker 1: is because her whole year's salary runs on one dance
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Speaker 1: gig has nothing to do with the ethics of abortion.
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Speaker 1: And I was, I mean, I hadn't seen this movie
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Speaker 1: in like ten years, and I will surprised that it
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Speaker 1: will dealt with that maturely of like that didn't become
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Speaker 1: a focal point of it. Well, even when her dad
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Speaker 1: is criticizing what happened, it's not like there's no big
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Speaker 1: abortion is wrong, but you just like you're hanging around
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Speaker 1: with unsavory people, primarily the guys. Because he doesn't seem
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Speaker 1: to be judgmental whatsoever towards Penny, and that he helps her.
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Speaker 1: He comes to check on her the next day. He
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Speaker 1: cares for her in a very kind way, but he
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Speaker 1: thinks these guys, like he's like, these are unsavory people,
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Speaker 1: and that's what she has the conversation when she says
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Speaker 1: you let me down to that's sort of what she's
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Speaker 1: talking about is you taught me to help people into
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Speaker 1: care and you judged them without knowing them. So that's
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Speaker 1: where and I like that too. Again, there wasn't this
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Speaker 1: big like moral issue around the abortion. It was this
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Speaker 1: is something. This is their reality that Robbie has completely
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Speaker 1: removed himself from and that Penny now has to deal with.
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Speaker 1: Baby is gonna come and help her and Baby sense
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Speaker 1: his judgment on behalf of her add who helped very
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Speaker 1: much in Safe Paint. But she's angry with him that
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Speaker 1: he's looking down on people, and she's like, you taught
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Speaker 1: me not to be that person. You can't be that
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Speaker 1: person either. And Jerry knows when he's wrong. He does,
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Speaker 1: he admits it. He said he's wrong, he says he's wrong,
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Speaker 1: but he doesn't apologize to Baby then, and only does
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Speaker 1: he Uh. The only time he like changes his mind
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Speaker 1: about the whole thing is when was the name Robbie
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Speaker 1: is like, oh, thanks for helping out with the Penny thing. Uh,
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Speaker 1: I was the one who it's only at that point
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Speaker 1: whenever Jerry's like, oh, well, if this rich boy is
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Speaker 1: telling me that what really happened, that's and I believe it. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's another tricky thing too, because it's like it is
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Speaker 1: his teenage daughter who he seems to trust throughout the
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Speaker 1: movie until he finds out that she has lied to him,
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Speaker 1: And it's like, I don't know. I mean, if you're
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Speaker 1: a parent and you find out your kid has lied
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Speaker 1: to you about one big thing, it's hard to be like, well,
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Speaker 1: but probably everything else is the truth because I don't
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Speaker 1: I mean, teenagers are big, dry liars, so I don't know,
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Speaker 1: Like I could see that both ways. Even when he
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Speaker 1: said who's responsible for this girl? Like Penny's grown woman?
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Speaker 1: But I think he in the context of when it
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Speaker 1: was supposed to take place, he saw this woman who
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Speaker 1: was left because he said, you got her in trouble,
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Speaker 1: Like you left this woman to deal with this by herself,
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Speaker 1: You sent her to this butcher. He's at the same
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Speaker 1: time get that nineteen sixty three mentality of like, you
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Speaker 1: take care of women and women can't really take care
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Speaker 1: of themselves. But he also encourages his daughters to be
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Speaker 1: more than that because Robbie tells him accidentally, he believes
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Speaker 1: rob because Robbie tells Robbie didn't mean to tell him,
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Speaker 1: because Robbie was like, I thought you knew, because he's like, hey,
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Speaker 1: thanks for dealing with it, and he I think, in
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Speaker 1: that moment, had that realization. Robbie thinks he and Dr
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Speaker 1: Housman are the same. Robbie thinks they're in this like
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Speaker 1: old boys club, like, hey, thanks for taking care of that.
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Speaker 1: And Dr Housman is kind of yanked out of that,
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Speaker 1: and it's like, this guy is the piece of ship,
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Speaker 1: not the guy I thought, but everybody assumed. As far
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Speaker 1: as I think that his character is doing pretty well
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Speaker 1: given the era he is we're to believe he's living in,
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Speaker 1: and it's like, it's definitely not perfect, and there is.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't say that he considers men and
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Speaker 1: women to be completely equal. It's pretty clearly that that
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Speaker 1: is not the case for him. But but as far
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Speaker 1: as nineteen sixty three, dealing with a teenage daughter who's
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Speaker 1: clearly intelligent and you know, fucking up as any teenager would,
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Speaker 1: but I never stake as a teenager have been having
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Speaker 1: sex with Patrick Swayze and seeking like there's so there's
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Speaker 1: a conflict between Swayzey and Albak, which, first of all unhooked.
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Speaker 1: The whole reason that that problem arises is because when
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Speaker 1: Jerry Oba comes to see what's going on after Penny's
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Speaker 1: traveling abortionist thing doesn't goal well. But when he he
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Speaker 1: goes to try to patch that situation up, he asked, yeah, like,
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Speaker 1: who's responsible for this girl, which is a vague question,
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Speaker 1: and Patrick Sprayzy says me because he's her best friend
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Speaker 1: and sort of views himself as the one who looks
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Speaker 1: out for her, and had Patrick saysy at any point
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Speaker 1: just said that was what I meant when I said
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Speaker 1: that we could have saved an hour of conflict between
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Speaker 1: the two of them. I think one of the themes
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Speaker 1: of the movie is integrity and who hasn't who doesn't
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Speaker 1: And he sees robbed like you very clearly the villain
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Speaker 1: is the guy with no integrity who reads yeah, exactly right,
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Speaker 1: the guy with no integrity. And then the working class
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Speaker 1: people that everyone's looking down are the ones that have
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Speaker 1: the integrity, like and part of the reason they didn't
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Speaker 1: tell everybody that it's Robbie is because it's Penny's private information,
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Speaker 1: and she didn't want anybody to know, so they didn't
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Speaker 1: tell anybody, even though it would have been so much easier.
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Speaker 1: That's why when Baby is encouraging he said to stay
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Speaker 1: away from Robbie and not have sex with him, she
20:02
Speaker 1: doesn't say he knocked somebody up, because it's Penny's business.
20:06
Speaker 1: And if Penny doesn't want anybody to know, nobody has
20:09
Speaker 1: a right to tell anybody, even if it would make
20:12
Speaker 1: everything so much easier. And that's why, like there's this
20:15
Speaker 1: big sense of like right and wrong, they never wrap
20:18
Speaker 1: abortion into that and be like abortion is wrong. So
20:20
Speaker 1: I thought that was a great It's a movie that
20:22
Speaker 1: deals with right and wrong and morality that doesn't put
20:25
Speaker 1: that judgment on abortion, to which I thought was really interested.
20:27
Speaker 1: Were in such an easy choice to make. And another
20:32
Speaker 1: thing about the very sexy poor that we have in
20:35
Speaker 1: this movie is that they, unlike the you know, looking rich,
20:41
Speaker 1: with the exception of Jerry Roback, is that the very
20:45
Speaker 1: sexy poor all have a lot of respect for each
20:48
Speaker 1: other and and treat each other way more fairly than
20:52
Speaker 1: the upper echelon people do, where Patrick Swayzy and Penny,
20:56
Speaker 1: and even even though I'm like, what is I get? Like,
21:00
Speaker 1: there's a lot of positive male female friendships, but he
21:03
Speaker 1: is almost evening her pill see like seven different times
21:05
Speaker 1: in this movie, and it's like both friends. I was like, Okay,
21:09
Speaker 1: I like that they did that. I agree with that,
21:11
Speaker 1: but I like that they did that, that her character
21:14
Speaker 1: exists not as anyone's romantic interest, Like there's a female
21:18
Speaker 1: character who's not the main character who exists in these
21:21
Speaker 1: like she forms this bond with Baby where they're clearly
21:24
Speaker 1: women who have nothing in common at the beginning, and
21:26
Speaker 1: Baby when Baby comes up to her and says, I
21:28
Speaker 1: envy you. And Penny had just watched Robbie hitting on Lisa.
21:33
Speaker 1: She's pregnant, she got kicked out of her house at sixteen,
21:36
Speaker 1: and she like her life is a ship show. And
21:39
Speaker 1: this doctor's daughter, rich girl who's at a summer resort
21:43
Speaker 1: is saying, I envy you. Like that's where they start,
21:46
Speaker 1: and I think they come so far as to this
21:48
Speaker 1: place of like mutual respect for one another. And I
21:52
Speaker 1: also like that when Johnny gives his speech at the end,
21:54
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody mentions Baby's appearance in the movie
21:58
Speaker 1: like at all, Like Johnny never says, you look like
22:01
Speaker 1: He's like, this is why I love her. He doesn't,
22:03
Speaker 1: You're so beautiful. He like, she has integrity, and she's smart,
22:07
Speaker 1: and she's brave, and she helps people and she inspires
22:11
Speaker 1: me to be a better person because she's such a
22:13
Speaker 1: good person. Oh, I wanted to talk about the scene.
22:17
Speaker 1: One of those scenes that does pass the BECTO test
22:20
Speaker 1: is between Baby and Penny on the Thursday, which is
22:24
Speaker 1: the only day to traveling abortionists can come. Uh and
22:27
Speaker 1: and it's also when when Baby is about to do
22:30
Speaker 1: the one show that everyone's income depends on. They have
22:34
Speaker 1: this scene together that's that I thought was really nice
22:37
Speaker 1: to a certain point where Penny is helping Baby get
22:41
Speaker 1: ready and they're talking about dancing and Baby is nervous,
22:45
Speaker 1: and then Penny the scene andy Penny saying I'm scared
22:49
Speaker 1: to get an abortion, which apparently she should be this
22:51
Speaker 1: traveling abortion this is not very good. But before that
22:56
Speaker 1: she says a Penny like, I just want you to
22:58
Speaker 1: know I don't really ape around, And I thought that
23:02
Speaker 1: Robbie really loved me. And that doesn't seem like super
23:04
Speaker 1: necessary to bring into it, because like it doesn't super matter,
23:11
Speaker 1: which is kind of nit picky, But then again that
23:14
Speaker 1: might also just speak to the relationship between these characters
23:16
Speaker 1: where Penny probably feels like Richard people judge her and
23:20
Speaker 1: assume that she would be like the type to sleep
23:23
Speaker 1: around or however that's PERCEI what kind of goes back
23:26
Speaker 1: to like the slat shaminess that exists in this movie
23:30
Speaker 1: where it's like, I don't want you to think I'm
23:32
Speaker 1: split opposite for me, I go and then saying, hey,
23:35
Speaker 1: one I didn't say anymore. I don't like to be fair.
23:45
Speaker 1: That's same we like the sexy porter. Do you have
23:48
Speaker 1: a fear of being start shammed across the board? Because
23:51
Speaker 1: then there is that weird seen in Swazies Cabin, which
23:55
Speaker 1: is a book I would like to write. There's a
24:01
Speaker 1: scene in Slazy's cabin after he and uh he and
24:06
Speaker 1: Baby have had sex I hope with pretention who knows,
24:10
Speaker 1: but Baby is like, you know, teasing him, and it's like,
24:13
Speaker 1: how many women have you been with because and honestly,
24:15
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to know. We don't know how
24:17
Speaker 1: old you are, and like maybe a ballpark figure will
24:21
Speaker 1: be helpful, But Slayzy starts talking about something we are
24:25
Speaker 1: you know, which is that he's low ki at Jiggio,
24:29
Speaker 1: but then totally disclaims that. But basically he has this
24:33
Speaker 1: weird speech where he's like, but you understand. You come
24:37
Speaker 1: here and suddenly there's all these women and they're just
24:40
Speaker 1: they're throwing themselves that you will. They're putting their key
24:43
Speaker 1: cards in your pockets and you show up and you
24:46
Speaker 1: think they love you. It's like, spazy, no, you don't.
24:50
Speaker 1: We don't think someone slips their key card in your
24:53
Speaker 1: back pocket a known married person, and it's like, slazy,
24:57
Speaker 1: come over because I love you like and and so
25:03
Speaker 1: you know it's implied. Yeah, so you know sees he's
25:06
Speaker 1: had sex with however many people we've done know how
25:09
Speaker 1: old he is. But he implies that every time he's
25:12
Speaker 1: had sex is because he thought he was in love
25:15
Speaker 1: and then he got stiffed. In his defense and defense
25:19
Speaker 1: is that's not in his defense because there's a moment
25:26
Speaker 1: when also in that conversation he's like, oh, they're shoving
25:29
Speaker 1: diamonds in your pocket and I was around from Titanic.
25:33
Speaker 1: You show you love someone like giving them a diamond. Right,
25:36
Speaker 1: that's true because caled In Hockley protagonist, he's also super poor, right,
25:45
Speaker 1: so all the kids that they're super poor, when he's
25:48
Speaker 1: like he's candy to stay a lot and he's like
25:51
Speaker 1: to stay alive, and then he goes there and women
25:54
Speaker 1: are just giving him all this. I think anybody in
25:56
Speaker 1: that situation, like he's super overwhelmed by like like, during
26:00
Speaker 1: the year, I'm flat broke, can barely survive, and then
26:04
Speaker 1: all summer it's sex and money all over the place.
26:08
Speaker 1: I think it's a weird. And I also think I
26:10
Speaker 1: think that the scene in the locker room with Penny
26:13
Speaker 1: and Baby, I liked that they did that the Penny
26:17
Speaker 1: because before that a lot of her interactions you don't
26:19
Speaker 1: know shit about me, and like she very quickly dismisses Baby,
26:23
Speaker 1: and then you see her vulnerability when she's like she's
26:27
Speaker 1: ashamed of herself because people have always treated her like that.
26:31
Speaker 1: And I think that's where you see who Baby really is,
26:35
Speaker 1: because Penny's expecting to be sleut shamed and that's why
26:38
Speaker 1: she says it, because she's expecting Baby to judge her,
26:42
Speaker 1: and at no point is she met with judgment by
26:44
Speaker 1: Baby at all. And I think it shows you this
26:47
Speaker 1: bond is developed between these women, and Baby isn't who
26:49
Speaker 1: she thought she was, and she baby was never gonna
26:52
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have occurred to baby to judge her. But
26:56
Speaker 1: Penny's so used to everybody treating her like that her
26:58
Speaker 1: whole life that she feels like she has to pre
27:01
Speaker 1: empt it by addressing it. And that's like the sort
27:05
Speaker 1: of speech that she gives the baby gives her dad
27:07
Speaker 1: towards the end, when she's like, there's some things about
27:10
Speaker 1: me that you may not like, and you don't know
27:12
Speaker 1: about me, but if you love me, you have to
27:13
Speaker 1: love all of me, basically saying I have sex now, daddy,
27:17
Speaker 1: and you have to be okay with it. Sorry, daddy.
27:23
Speaker 1: Daddy cries. Can we talk about how much emphasis is
27:29
Speaker 1: post on the lift and how I want to develop
27:34
Speaker 1: an app called the Lift similar to lift. Instead of
27:42
Speaker 1: picking someone up in a car, you just pick them
27:45
Speaker 1: up and lift them over your head, like say I
27:48
Speaker 1: want that person to come pick me up and then
27:50
Speaker 1: you get picked up. I will absolutely give you. Yes,
27:56
Speaker 1: I liked the Lift. I mean, there are so many
27:59
Speaker 1: montages in this but when they are like, well, I'm
28:02
Speaker 1: trying you to the lift, this is where I first
28:03
Speaker 1: started questioning, Wait a second, how old is he? When
28:06
Speaker 1: he takes those seventeen year olds into the water and
28:10
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, we're about to see some nips. How
28:13
Speaker 1: old is this man again? Lifting this high school SENI
28:16
Speaker 1: here that said very horny scene. Liked it because anyone else.
28:22
Speaker 1: So many final thoughts about the movie. In the portrayal
28:25
Speaker 1: of women, we establish it, Yes, the movie does pass
28:28
Speaker 1: the back to textile. Maybe has conversations with her mother,
28:33
Speaker 1: with her sister Lisa, and with Penny, all about things
28:36
Speaker 1: that aren't men, say with the old gulf ter uh.
28:45
Speaker 1: And then we wrote the movie on a scale of
28:47
Speaker 1: zero to five nipples based on its portrayal of women.
28:53
Speaker 1: Four okay, yeah, because I mean you can't give five
28:55
Speaker 1: because it was three, so you're never gonna in there.
28:58
Speaker 1: And he ordered are occasional Jerry moments where it's like, oh,
29:02
Speaker 1: maybe just believe baby instead of corroborating it with three
29:05
Speaker 1: different childs. But you know, eventually he does believe baby.
29:08
Speaker 1: Baby is an exception of person throughout, even when she
29:13
Speaker 1: is helping man. She is you know, she she makes
29:16
Speaker 1: every decision for herself, and I mean, she's the main
29:20
Speaker 1: reason this movie is awesome. And Penny to Penny is
29:22
Speaker 1: like an awesome character, which that they had done more
29:26
Speaker 1: slash literally anything with her mom. I feel like they're
29:30
Speaker 1: coming ja march March marches sidelined hard so and and
29:35
Speaker 1: the sister's kind of a dummy, but we get to
29:37
Speaker 1: see the you know, she comes around as well and yeah,
29:41
Speaker 1: I'll skew up on your roof for okay. Yeah, I
29:44
Speaker 1: don't know. It bugged me that, like the baby doesn't
29:47
Speaker 1: get her like big speech at the end, like they
29:50
Speaker 1: give that to Johnny, which maybe I don't know, he
29:52
Speaker 1: kind of has more at stake. You could argue, I
29:54
Speaker 1: don't know, like whole family's true, but I don't know.
30:00
Speaker 1: I just I wish that she had more of like
30:02
Speaker 1: a climactic moment. She does get the lift, but who
30:06
Speaker 1: cares about the fucking lift? Oh, by the way, all
30:09
Speaker 1: four of my nipples? Uh. Summer Jerry Irack young Hot
30:14
Speaker 1: summer Jerry Alback old still hot. Cool. What I love
30:18
Speaker 1: is she doesn't give Penny the money to impress Johnny,
30:22
Speaker 1: Like she doesn't do what to like get it, like
30:24
Speaker 1: to get this guy to like her. She does it
30:26
Speaker 1: because it's what's right, and she doesn't hesitate at all.
30:28
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it four and a half because I
30:31
Speaker 1: love again. I think the female characters. I wish they
30:33
Speaker 1: had more time to do stuff together, but I think
30:36
Speaker 1: Penny and Baby are phenomenal characters, and I love that
30:40
Speaker 1: we got to sort of see that arc between them
30:42
Speaker 1: and that Baby is consistent throughout and like who she is,
30:46
Speaker 1: and she winds up teaching even the wisest man alive.
30:49
Speaker 1: Jerry Arback, I Daddy, Jerry Arback loans a thing or
30:54
Speaker 1: two about a thing or two. Daddy knows our news round.
31:02
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here. So that was
31:07
Speaker 1: our live episode. Thanks to everyone who came. It was
31:11
Speaker 1: so much fun. We like did kind of a poll
31:13
Speaker 1: at the beginning. They're like, who's listened to the podcast before?
31:16
Speaker 1: And a bunch of people clapp and they're like, who hasn't?
31:18
Speaker 1: And then several people clapp there like great, thank you
31:21
Speaker 1: for just blindly going into this. And then we're like,
31:25
Speaker 1: who has not seen Dirty Dancing before? And then several
31:28
Speaker 1: people clapped. Some people didn't know what the podcast was
31:30
Speaker 1: or the movie, and it's like, you know, your average
31:33
Speaker 1: podcast host would be like, thank you so much for
31:35
Speaker 1: taking your risk. Me what are you doing? Like? What
31:39
Speaker 1: is one? Go get lunch. You had to pay money
31:43
Speaker 1: to be here? Yeah, I do fist. I mean, I
31:47
Speaker 1: would like to me they were very nice. They were
31:50
Speaker 1: a great audience. I would like to assume that our podcast,
31:52
Speaker 1: they probably just read the description and like this sounds
31:55
Speaker 1: so great. I want to come to this no matter what.
31:57
Speaker 1: I don't care if I haven't seen the movie. I
31:59
Speaker 1: just to see these women talk. God, I want of
32:01
Speaker 1: these women talk. I don't know if you guys are listening,
32:05
Speaker 1: tell us why. Well, we had one audience member who
32:08
Speaker 1: when we announced what movie we were doing, she audibly gasped,
32:12
Speaker 1: and she ended up being this incredible source of information
32:15
Speaker 1: which we can address now. So so in the live episode,
32:18
Speaker 1: were you probably heard part of it? Um, A lot
32:21
Speaker 1: of to Do is made about the traveling Abortionists. Abortion
32:24
Speaker 1: is a key plot point in this movie and is
32:27
Speaker 1: treated very responsibly, particularly for when the movie came out
32:31
Speaker 1: in eighties, and and we pointed that out a number
32:35
Speaker 1: of times, where Penny is having an abortion, but the
32:37
Speaker 1: issue was never the abortion. It's the timing of the
32:40
Speaker 1: abortion because of the whole traveling abortionist thing. And then, uh,
32:45
Speaker 1: this same lovely woman who gasped when we said dirty
32:50
Speaker 1: dancing approached after the show and let us know, and
32:53
Speaker 1: then we researched it and found out more that that
32:56
Speaker 1: was actually done very intentionally by the creators of the movie,
32:59
Speaker 1: because in this I mean, this came out like Reagan era,
33:02
Speaker 1: which is a very back and forth time for reproductive rights,
33:05
Speaker 1: and so it was written very intentionally that way as
33:09
Speaker 1: making abortion normalized and not a big deal that needs
33:15
Speaker 1: to be harped on exactly. Yeah. Um. She mentioned that
33:18
Speaker 1: this movie was sort of written and made a response
33:21
Speaker 1: to a series of anti abortion protests that were happening
33:24
Speaker 1: in the eighties, because the movie takes place in nineteen
33:27
Speaker 1: sixty three, which is a few years before Roe v. Wade,
33:30
Speaker 1: before abortion was made legal and more accessible, and you
33:34
Speaker 1: didn't have to have these back alley abortions from these
33:36
Speaker 1: traveling abortion is who really just mostly butchered women. Yeah.
33:40
Speaker 1: She provided a lot of context information, So, um, I
33:43
Speaker 1: wish we had gotten her name, but shout out if
33:45
Speaker 1: you're listening, and I hope you're still listening, because you
33:47
Speaker 1: were so great. Thank you for thank you for I mean,
33:50
Speaker 1: and and to all of our listeners who reached out
33:52
Speaker 1: to us and provide us with additional context. Helps us
33:56
Speaker 1: helps you guys. It's great. We appreciated everything works out.
34:00
Speaker 1: It reminds me, though, of a part that I had
34:02
Speaker 1: to cut out of the live episode because the audio
34:04
Speaker 1: was just I was, I think, screaming, so it was
34:06
Speaker 1: very distorted. But there's a part in the movie where
34:12
Speaker 1: Newman God I forget the actor's real name, but Newman
34:15
Speaker 1: from Seinfeld he's and he is promoting this class that
34:20
Speaker 1: you can take at this camp called the Psychology of
34:23
Speaker 1: the Insult Comedian. It's like glossed over in the movie,
34:26
Speaker 1: but like I honed in on this details, like, oh
34:29
Speaker 1: my god, I want to take this class. I also
34:31
Speaker 1: want to see a spinoff movie, a spinoff of Dirty
34:34
Speaker 1: Dancing called something like Dirty Comedy or something better than that,
34:40
Speaker 1: but it would be starting Jeff Ross. I just wanted
34:44
Speaker 1: to see a movie about like a young woman who
34:48
Speaker 1: goes to a camp and she she's like, oh, what's
34:50
Speaker 1: this class psychology? But then there's a man who's like,
34:56
Speaker 1: I'm the teacher of this class, like a four year
34:58
Speaker 1: old road comic. This young woman who's like, don't let
35:03
Speaker 1: young women anywhere near broad comics. They're dirty, stay away
35:07
Speaker 1: from them. They're like, hey, won't open from me. I'll
35:09
Speaker 1: give you. I'm not gonna get a car with you.
35:12
Speaker 1: Oh there's a part that I had to cut out
35:14
Speaker 1: where I literally just screamed. I was like, why is
35:16
Speaker 1: the lift so important? The big lift Johnny Castle has
35:19
Speaker 1: to lift baby up? Why is this so much emphasis
35:22
Speaker 1: placed on it? And I scream, fuck the left, And
35:25
Speaker 1: I just want everyone to know how angry I am
35:27
Speaker 1: about you were mad about the lift and I wasn't
35:31
Speaker 1: mad about the lift. Emily wasn't mad. Emily didn't yell once.
35:34
Speaker 1: It's almost like she's got a control on herself that
35:36
Speaker 1: we don't, and honestly, good for her. Good for her.
35:40
Speaker 1: She's a smart lady. Yeah. Yeah, and she's a social
35:43
Speaker 1: worker too, that's probably why she didn't. Yeah, she's she's cool,
35:46
Speaker 1: calm and collected. She's got a degree in having her
35:49
Speaker 1: ship together. Hey do you know what I have a
35:50
Speaker 1: degree in? I don't care, but there's a master's screen
36:00
Speaker 1: in screenwriting from Boston University. Yeah. So, yeah, this was
36:06
Speaker 1: our episode about dirty dancing. We had so much fun.
36:08
Speaker 1: To hope we do more live episodes in the future.
36:11
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36:14
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