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  Speaker 1: It is Thursday, April ninth. This is Jaguars Happy Hour
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  Speaker 1: and now a guy who vehemently denies that the fourth
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  Speaker 1: hal of Augusta was named after him, J P. Shagri
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  Speaker 1: correct this research to be had. Welcome in. It is
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour. JP Shadrick with you. We're at the
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  Speaker 1: Honday Studios at the Miller Electric Center Test Drivenue Hunday
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  Speaker 1: today only at your local Hundai dealer. Here's what's coming
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  Speaker 1: up with the program today. Busy hour after the draft
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  Speaker 1: luncheon or a view what James Gladstone and Liam Cohen
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  Speaker 1: had to say Trayvon Walker extension over this past weekend.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get reaction from Jeff Logman for the first time.
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  Speaker 1: We'll look ahead, of course, around the NFL, to some
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  Speaker 1: other things happening. We're on ten to Nex's Lam Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: dot Com Jaguars YouTube. JP Shadrick with Jeff Logoman. Good afternoon, Je, JP.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on? You kind of missed Walson when I
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  Speaker 1: think what should be one of the headlines today and
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  Speaker 1: I got to throw this out there. You know, we
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  Speaker 1: were a couple of weeks ago talking about the Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: medical staff being honored as one of the best in
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  Speaker 1: the league. Right, yeah, okay, and then last week we
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  Speaker 1: were talking about the Jaguars strength and conditioning staff being
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  Speaker 1: named one of the best in the National Football League.
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  Speaker 1: And then and then we get news that the equipment
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  Speaker 1: staff was named like the AFC Equipment Staff of the Year, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: by new Era for their work last year. So that's
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  Speaker 1: a sweep well, most win coach of the year, that's
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  Speaker 1: the one thing they didn't well wait a minute here, now, Okay, look,
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  Speaker 1: let's give credit where credit is due. Okay, we're not
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  Speaker 1: talking about coaching. We're not talking about player acquisition. We're
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  Speaker 1: talking about EVP Tony Vasselli. I mean, look, I mean
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  Speaker 1: all three of those departments fall under his guidance. So
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  Speaker 1: I got to say this, congratulations Tony Boselli. You know
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  Speaker 1: that his leadership allowed three different departments under his guidance
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  Speaker 1: to get recognition this year. I think that's outstanding and
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  Speaker 1: kudos to Tony. I texted him and told him, I said, man,
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  Speaker 1: congratulations because that's a great reflection on you. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: even know, and we talked about him last week. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't even know there were awards for all these groups.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, it's because we've never won,
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  Speaker 1: right who do I had no idea that's because we've
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  Speaker 1: never won them, you know, so I just thought that
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  Speaker 1: that was pretty cool. I mean, here you got, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the first ever draft pick in the history of the
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  Speaker 1: franchise and somebody who has had a great impact on
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  Speaker 1: this organization, especially in the last year, not to mention
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  Speaker 1: going all the way back to when he was a player,
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  Speaker 1: and then under his guidance, to see the three different
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  Speaker 1: departments get recognized from the piers around the National Football
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  Speaker 1: League to the highest level, I thought that that was
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  Speaker 1: just outstanding, and so congratulations to all three of the departments,
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  Speaker 1: the medical, the training, the strength training, and also now
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  Speaker 1: the equipment room George and all the crew there, Kyle,
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  Speaker 1: they do a great job. Congratulations, good stuff, no doubt
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  Speaker 1: about that. Really great to see, certainly today Jaguars GM
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  Speaker 1: James Gladstone and head coach Liam Cohen, two weeks away
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  Speaker 1: from the NFL Draft, had the annual draft luncheon the
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  Speaker 1: media eight lunch and then about half an hour those
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  Speaker 1: two sat at the podium at the front of the
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  Speaker 1: media room. The Jaguars, of course have eleven draft picks,
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  Speaker 1: this year, none in the first round four picks. On
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  Speaker 1: day two, James Gladstone asked, as usual, is it the
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  Speaker 1: best available player he's going after?
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  Speaker 2: It's going to always going to come with a little nuance.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you're going to compare across positions and where
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  Speaker 2: there's a clear visual for contributions and a vision from
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  Speaker 2: our coaching staff to seeing that player's skill set come
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  Speaker 2: to life. And you would typically appreciate the fact that
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  Speaker 2: could come to life sooner than later, and all that
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  Speaker 2: stuff has to be waited against each other. So when
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  Speaker 2: you got two light players and one position allows maybe
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  Speaker 2: an earlier wrong way, you'd lean towards that direction. But
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  Speaker 2: it's not so black and white.
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  Speaker 1: James Glaston. Of course, set Logs was a part of
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  Speaker 1: that Rams staff that for like six years straight did
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  Speaker 1: not have a first round pick, and for a number
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  Speaker 1: of those years he was the one putting the draft
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  Speaker 1: together until the final days, of course, when Less would
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  Speaker 1: make the picks. So he has experience in this realm
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  Speaker 1: before and looking forward to see what he can do
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  Speaker 1: with it. Ronie. He was actually asked the question about
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  Speaker 1: not having that first round pick and having to wait
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  Speaker 1: until pick number fifty six, which is a good number.
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  Speaker 1: As I've said before, Oh yeah, But James brought up
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  Speaker 1: that their look in the past, he's had to wait
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  Speaker 1: into the hundreds to make a pick, and Liam Cohen
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  Speaker 1: was on that same staff the Rams where they weren't
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  Speaker 1: picking until they were in the hundreds, you know. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, I love the way how methodical his thought
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  Speaker 1: process is and some of his thinkings about how do
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  Speaker 1: you come up with the player that is the Jaguar selection,
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  Speaker 1: and he went into a lot of detail about that
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  Speaker 1: and about how if you have some inconsistencies on opinions
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  Speaker 1: that you know, you kind of move on from that
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  Speaker 1: and then you go to find consistencies and it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a very long and broad process that they have.
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  Speaker 1: And what I love the most because this is I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think this is where you really gain great information.
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  Speaker 1: He talked extensively about how you cultivate the relationships in
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  Speaker 1: different places to be able to get the information that
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  Speaker 1: you need on players, and to be honest with you,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that was done very well here
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  Speaker 1: in the past, and you've ended up getting a lot
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  Speaker 1: of players that you had some unknown quantities to them.
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  Speaker 1: And now with the premium of putting the vetting process
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  Speaker 1: as a priority. I think that you're not going to
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  Speaker 1: be one hundred percent. You're never going to be at
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  Speaker 1: about one hundred percent in that level, but at least
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  Speaker 1: you are giving yourself a better chance of success in
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  Speaker 1: picking the right players when it comes to the right
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  Speaker 1: frame of mind that those particular players are in good people.
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  Speaker 1: You're referencing, we were referencing that the year they didn't
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  Speaker 1: have a pick until about one hundred those twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: two's draft, they didn't have a first or second round pick.
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  Speaker 1: Their first pick was one oh four and it was
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  Speaker 1: one of something that's amazing. Yeah, they had the year
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  Speaker 1: before that, twenty twenty one, fifty seven was their first pick.
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  Speaker 1: The year before that, twenty twenty fifty two was their
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  Speaker 1: first pick. That's sixty one was the first pick the
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  Speaker 1: year before that. Because they traded all those first round picks.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why they had t shirts that said FM pick.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, right, I mean, it's uh, Look, they got
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  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl because of it, you know, But the
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  Speaker 1: reality is is that they've also kept the first round pick.
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  Speaker 1: But here they go again. This year they turn around
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  Speaker 1: and trade their first round pick away to the Chiefs
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  Speaker 1: for McDuffie, the cornerback from mccamas City Chiefs, who's a
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  Speaker 1: good football player, And I think that that was a
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  Speaker 1: good trade for the Rams, to be honest with you
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  Speaker 1: see from the head coach, Liam Cohen, of course offensive
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  Speaker 1: minded head coach former OC in the NFL and in
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  Speaker 1: college football, but the evaluation of defensive player is a
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  Speaker 1: little different.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's cool to see the impact and effect
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  Speaker 3: that the other side of the ball has, what that
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  Speaker 3: player can maybe do to help truly our team, not
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  Speaker 3: just in defense, but also on teams and special teams,
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  Speaker 3: and what that looks like, and trying to have an
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  Speaker 3: open mind to some of those nuances that a defensive
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  Speaker 3: player could possess a little bit more or different value
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  Speaker 3: than a tight end right or a different position that
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about on off and so I've actually come
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  Speaker 3: to enjoy it. I found that there's a lot of ways,
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  Speaker 3: obviously that you can impact the game without touching the
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  Speaker 3: football and having an impact on every single play.
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  Speaker 1: The most fun, as boring as it is, kidding a
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  Speaker 1: sleep of going of course always likes watching the offensive
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  Speaker 1: side of things, but yeah, that was a kind of
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a I don't say it dig
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  Speaker 1: at James, but where you touch the ball every single play, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I thought that was pretty neat that. I
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  Speaker 1: think one of the cool discussions that they had at
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  Speaker 1: the podium today was when James was asked about watching
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  Speaker 1: film with Liam and and James is saying, you know, look,
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  Speaker 1: when I watch a player, I focus on that player,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because that's the player I'm evaluating. And he
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  Speaker 1: goes when Liam gets involved, now we're looking and evaluating
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  Speaker 1: the scheme and strategy to run it back and you know,
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  Speaker 1: back and forth. And then we start talking about the
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  Speaker 1: history of evolution of scheme and game plans and all strategy,
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  Speaker 1: and it gets to be a little bit more involved
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  Speaker 1: as opposed to, you know, I'm focusing on this one guy.
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  Speaker 1: We never can focus on the one guy. I think
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  Speaker 1: that was pretty interesting. But that's a good strategy really
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  Speaker 1: for both sides to get a different advantage point of
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  Speaker 1: how to look at it. Well. And I think here's
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  Speaker 1: the one thing I think that people don't realize because
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times they say, well, scout and a coach,
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  Speaker 1: you know, would probably look at it as from the
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  Speaker 1: same set of eyes, But in reality, I think a
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  Speaker 1: coach in a lot of ways has a different vantage
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  Speaker 1: point because sometimes they understand the scheme of what maybe
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  Speaker 1: is being asked of a player. So I think sometimes
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  Speaker 1: you have a benefit of having a coach and a
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  Speaker 1: scout to sit and watch together, because I think the
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  Speaker 1: coach in a lot of ways can explain what is
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  Speaker 1: being asked of a player in that particular scheme, whereas
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  Speaker 1: the scout, by watching it on his own may not
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  Speaker 1: know that, you know, So I think it gives a
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  Speaker 1: deeper understanding of the talents or lack of talents of
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  Speaker 1: some players if you understand what is being asked of
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  Speaker 1: that player absolutely. And then from Liam's perspective, there, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's got to figure out if he can play special
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  Speaker 1: teams too, So it's not just defense, you know, in theory,
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  Speaker 1: if especially for some of these later round picks, they're
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  Speaker 1: probably going to be out there on teams, well, if
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  Speaker 1: they're going to make the team, well, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: there's any doubt. And I think that, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: that that's got to be one of the hardest positions
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  Speaker 1: that there is to evaluate. Sure is special teams. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: because most of the time you're acquiring players in the
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  Speaker 1: draft for a role in special teams. But most of
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  Speaker 1: the players that are that type of caliber athletes weren't
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  Speaker 1: asked to play a lot of special teams in college.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of rare, right, there were fairly there were
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  Speaker 1: a few, Like save It like to have starters in
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  Speaker 1: key spots on teams because he knew he could trust him. Right,
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  Speaker 1: Not everybody does it like that, but like Rayon Lane
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  Speaker 1: for example, Yeah, yeah, okay, I mean, how do you
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  Speaker 1: you know? And they knew they identified him as a
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  Speaker 1: special teams player when they drafted him. They said, special teams. Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: ray On Lane a full time special teamer at Navy.
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  Speaker 1: He had spots. I don't he wasn't out there all
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  Speaker 1: the time. Well, and that's I think it is a
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  Speaker 1: talent there. I mean, I think he did play in
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  Speaker 1: spots on special teams. But I mean, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: pretty amazing when they draft sometimes they draft players to
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  Speaker 1: play special teams specifically. It's a little bit of forecasting,
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  Speaker 1: kind of predicting if they got the ability to transition
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  Speaker 1: from being maybe a start of defensive offensive player in
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  Speaker 1: college to being a core special teamer in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: That's not it can't be easy to do. No. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: in theory, the rules are pretty much the same on
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  Speaker 1: punt teams and coverage and all that. Kickoff rules is
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  Speaker 1: certainly different. Now, if you're evaluating those two, you don't
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  Speaker 1: how many special teams that I played in college? Jap well,
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  Speaker 1: how many all of them? Zero? You didn't play you
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  Speaker 1: were a star? I mean I was, I was a
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  Speaker 1: That's my point is that you know a lot of
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  Speaker 1: your your athletes that you're looking to draft in college
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  Speaker 1: are starting players. You know, star players, whether it be
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  Speaker 1: on offense or defense. A lot of times they're not
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  Speaker 1: asked to play special teams. And a lot of times
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  Speaker 1: when these guys come into the NFL, it's happened here
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  Speaker 1: in the past and all of a sudden, the Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: coaches you know, in the past have asked players, Hey, look,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to play special teams, and the player looks
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  Speaker 1: at them cross eye, like, what do you mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't play special teams? Well, welcome to the NFL. This
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  Speaker 1: is you know you you play special teams. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: my first day in the NFL, I've got to meet
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  Speaker 1: Larry pis Quality. The special teams coordinator of my team,
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  Speaker 1: the Jets at the time, and I got to play kickoff,
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  Speaker 1: kickoff return, punt punt return, and field goal protection. I
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  Speaker 1: was on five special teams, you know, and I never
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  Speaker 1: did special teams in college. I mean, I was a linebacker,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but you know you're expected to do that
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  Speaker 1: as a first year player. A couple other notes today,
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  Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, wide receiver and defensive back, is slated to
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  Speaker 1: be limited during the off season program and OTA's coming up,
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  Speaker 1: but the expectation is that he'll be full go once
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  Speaker 1: training camp comes around late July. Yeah, And I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that's necessarily anything new other than just confirming what
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  Speaker 1: has been talked about before. And I think it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be interesting to see what the definition of limited is, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, because limited can mean a lot of things.
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  Speaker 1: Limited could mean that he's not going to participate in
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  Speaker 1: any of the OTAs or many camps, whereas limited could
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  Speaker 1: mean that he's going to be doing some drills in
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  Speaker 1: those things. So we'll have to wait and see the
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  Speaker 1: positive news. And all of that is the expectation of
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  Speaker 1: him being full go for camp. I guess anything less
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  Speaker 1: than full is limited technically correct. So that could be.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I say, you know, we got to kind
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  Speaker 1: of wagency what limited actually anything we've got putting ahead.
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  Speaker 1: They spoke about Trayvon Walker again today. We'll hear from
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  Speaker 1: Trayvon coming up. He signed an extension over this past
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  Speaker 1: weekend and he's here for the long haul. We'll fired
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  Speaker 1: up about it. Oh, I can't. I am fired up
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  Speaker 1: about him. I first of all love him, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I love the bully. Glad to have him back in
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  Speaker 1: the fold. We'll hear about that when we come back
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  Speaker 1: plenty ahead a little later, we'll talk to computers. We'll
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  Speaker 1: hear from Liam Cohen. Also a little more from today
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  Speaker 1: and the draft luncheon that happened at the middle of
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  Speaker 1: Electric Center. We're on ten Tenexlam, Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: YouTube and it's Jaguars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 4: It really means a lot because, like you said, getting
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  Speaker 4: a new staff in, like you, it's always that uncertainty
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  Speaker 4: and coming into the when they first got here, I
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  Speaker 4: feel like they did a great job of just communic
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  Speaker 4: Kayden whip me things, and that kind of already put
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  Speaker 4: in perspective to how that relationship was.
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  Speaker 1: Going to go. Sometimes you never really know how it's
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  Speaker 1: going to go.
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  Speaker 4: But ever since they've been there, I feel like we
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  Speaker 4: on my end and then we've been transparent with each
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  Speaker 4: other and we just have corse a conversation to where
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  Speaker 4: we can all just be comfortable. And that was one
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  Speaker 4: of Liam's main things, that like say what's only speak
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  Speaker 4: your mind and we'll go from there.
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  Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker, Jaguars defensive end this past weekend on Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: signed an extension, big time money, one hundred and ten
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  Speaker 1: million dollars contract over four years, twenty seven and a
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  Speaker 1: half million a year. Welcome back. It is Jaguars Happy
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  Speaker 1: Our JP Shadwick with Jeff Logman from the Hundai Studios
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  Speaker 1: to ten XLAM Jaguars dot Com Jaguars YouTube. Draft lunching
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  Speaker 1: happened earlier today, but the Jaguars continued to extend players,
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  Speaker 1: this time Trayvon Walker, former number one overall pick. It
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  Speaker 1: is the ninth highest edge rusher contract in the league
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  Speaker 1: right now by average salary, and of course had back
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  Speaker 1: to back double digit ZAC seasons, ten ZAX seasons and
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  Speaker 1: the last year banged up was trying to play through
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  Speaker 1: a bunch hand knee. But now he's here for the
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  Speaker 1: long haul. But I think what what you learned last
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  Speaker 1: year is how tough and how committed he is to
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  Speaker 1: the team because his ability and desire to play through
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  Speaker 1: and with all those things and a lot of times
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  Speaker 1: you got guys that don't want to do that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and Trayvon's kind of a throwback in a lot of ways,
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  Speaker 1: and that you know, he's willing to to play beat
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  Speaker 1: up and banged up and still actually to be able
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  Speaker 1: to have an impact on the game. And that's impressive.
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  Speaker 1: And so I'm glad that they got him back in
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  Speaker 1: the fold. I think the contract is very fair for
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  Speaker 1: both sides, you know. So I think it's a it's
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  Speaker 1: it's a great situation to have him back because now
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  Speaker 1: you have that big, physical, end power guy. You got
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  Speaker 1: Josh still in under contract, and now you need to
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  Speaker 1: get some youth in there as well to work with them. Guys.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean you compare, I mean, look at the
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  Speaker 1: size of the contracts for edge players in the league. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I mean if Trayvon had spit out another ten eleven
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  Speaker 1: twelve sack year, you wouldn't have gotten them for that number. No,
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  Speaker 1: there's no way, no. I mean the top of the
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  Speaker 1: market is what forty six Yeah, Michael Parsons is getting
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  Speaker 1: forty six and a half million dollars a year. A god, wow,
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot. Yeah. Trey Hetrickson Hendrickson just signed this offseason,
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  Speaker 1: so to kind of compare apples to apples, now, then
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  Speaker 1: he's coming off of a year that he was heard
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  Speaker 1: and his contract I think was four years, one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and twelve, so like two million more but basically about
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  Speaker 1: the same. I don't know the comparison of the guarantees
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  Speaker 1: because I think Trayvon's got like seventy seven million guaranteed.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what Trey Henderson's guarantees are in his contract,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: but you know, I mean that's that's where the market is.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Josh Haines Allen getting twenty eight point two a year average,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: So Josh sh be at like twenty twenty two if
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: they'd done the contract when they should have done the contract,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: which is a year year and a half before when
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: they actually did, which was a very large mistake not
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: getting his contract done sooner than they did. Donald didn't
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: quite understand the timing of that. Hendrickson's getting twenty eight
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: a year, He's right there, two million more of the
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: course four years. That's half a million more year. Yeah.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: And he's a good football player. I mean, he's been
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: one of the elite pass rushers in the league. But
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Trayvon does the bully things better than Trey Henderson does.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: He's got, obviously the tangibles, which is the bully things
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: and the on the field production, especially against the run,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: setting the edges, but he has the intangibles that the
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: leadership here and the building of in the locker room
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: and being a great teammate and citizen and everything he
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: brings to this team that's not between the lines on
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: the grass. It's everything you want. Here's what I love
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: the most about this whole. First of all, I love
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: the most is that he's back in the fold for
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: significant amount of time. You're not going to have to
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: worry about trying to find a replacement, right character guy,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Love him, tough, love him. But what I love is
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: the way that Liam Cohen talked about Trayvon and expecting
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: him to continue to elevate his game and how he's
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: kind of challenging him to do more, you know, and
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: he talked about Aaron Donald with Trayvon about that whole situation.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, to me, that's great coaching. You know, there's
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of coaches that yeah, you know, we're great,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: excited to have him back, and you know, we just
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: want him to continue to be who he is. And
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Liam's like, well, yeah, we want him to be who
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: he is, but I want to see more he can
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: elevate su to see him go to another level. And
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: that's what excites me the most and what I love
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: about this coaching staff is the desire and the want
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: to challenge players to do more, to not just be
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: satisfied with where you're at, continue to work and hone
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: your craft. For the crowd there out there that has
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: said that, you know, hey, the Jack's sitting too much
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: in free agency? What are they doing? You know, the
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: everybody that's listening to this show right now, everybody, you
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: know what. The Jags have been busy over the last
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: two years now signing extensions of players already on the roster,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: and the Jaguars have signed five different multi year extensions
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: since the start of the twenty twenty five season. They've
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: signed a bunch of other single year contracts, but the
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: five they've signed for long term extensions. Logan Cooked, the
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: punter Cole Van Lannon of course, the Tackle three years
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: fifty one million, Jacoby Myers three years sixty million, Monteric
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Brown three years just under thirty two million, and of
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: course Trayvon Walker. Now, so they are doing business with
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the players they have in the building already. It doesn't
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: mean they haven't done business here it is. I mean,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: that's two hundred and sixty nine million dollars worth of
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: money going on. You know. The one thing that a
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: lot of people wouldn't even notice about that list And
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: leave that list up for a second. Okay, there's five
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: names up there on that list. Okay, okay, what do
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: you always have happen when you have a new regime
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: come in? Oh, they wipe them out or get their
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: own guys, right right? Well, how many on that list
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: are their own guys? That's a good point, yeah one, yeah, right, okay, okay,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: because in the point come to Kobe got moved in.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: That's it, that's it. So the point that I'm making
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: is that a lot of times when you have a
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: new regime, their whole existence or desire is to get
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: out with the old guys and in with their guys. Okay, Well,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the reality is is that when you come into a
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: situation and there may be some guys that are really
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: core guys that you should try to keep as well
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: as adding some of your guys to it. And a
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: lot of times when you have that new regime, it's
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: about their desire to and making it about them, making
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: sure letting everybody know that we're going to do a
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: better job of bringing in talent. Look, there were some guys. Look,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Trent Balky brought in some of those guys, okay, and
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: those are good players, okay. And the desire to keep
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: them around and also to develop and allow them to
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: get better I think has been outstanding. And so what
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I love about that it's not a prideful thing with
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: James Gladstone and this coaching staff or Tony Boselli saying, hey, look,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: we got to get rid of all of Trent Balke's
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: guys and bring our own guys in. No, let's get
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: as many Jaguar guys as we can that have that DNA,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: keep the ones that we already have, and then get
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the ones that aren't in that DNA category out to
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: bring some more in. And I appreciate that because again,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of new regimes would not do that, they
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: would not retain for the older regimes. Guys, It's true, true,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Just making a point of let's wrap up the Trayvon
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Walker discussion with what do you think is the next
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: step for him in terms of his production? Where can
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: he improve? Where do you see him lining up next year? Well?
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I continue to want to see him advance his pass
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: rushing skills, and I really thought that he took a
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: step up this past year, but then the injuries did
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: not allow him to show it. I thought that he
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: became a little bit more natural of a pass rusher.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: More moves became kind of second nature to him, and
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: so I want to continue to see the development of
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: the pass rush moves in game plans, not trying to
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: dead center guys and trying to muscle them all the time.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: And then I want him to take his bullyingness to
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: a new level. And I think he's capable of that
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: because Trayvon is incredibly strong. And if he learns and
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: gets more tips and not necessarily tricks, but more study
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: of opponents and understanding scheme opponent schemes, understanding stances to
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: where he's anticipating more. The more you can anticipate the
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: more of a position of power that you can play from.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: And I think he can become even more of a
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: bully if he continues to work at his craft. So
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that's the part I'm looking forward to, is all of
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the above with him, because I think he can elevate
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and I think he can be If Trayvon becomes and
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: wants to be a vocal leader, guys are going to listen,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and that's I don't think that's something in the past
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: that he's comfortable doing, because that's kind of been job. Well.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: It's okay to have two guys in the same position
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: group that lead. It's okay. And so I think if
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: he lends his voice more and demands more of his teammates,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I think it will be outstanding for the organization as
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: a whole. Sounds like a plan to me. We'll hold
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: him to it. I'm just I mean, look, I'm I'm
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: a big fan of Trayvon, and I love that he's
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: back in the fold, and I think it's a very
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: fair number for both sides. I think we actually had
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: this conversation about a month ago and we were talking
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: about numbers. We actually asked, what's what's the person you'd
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: like to ask questions to oh, the co pilot, you
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: asked copor silot, what's a fair contract for Trayvon Walker.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I believe it came in close right at twenty five? Yeah,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: did it not? The computers are taking over. Maybe they
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: did the deal. And we're going to ask Microsoft copilot
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: again a little bit later, a question of out Jaguars
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: draft history. Okay, pretty any any other hint just to
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: that's it. That's all you're gonna get. That's all you get.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Back in a moment, we'll hear from Liam Cohen again,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Jaguars head coach. Yeah, the off season program is coming
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: in hot as well. Eleven days away April twentieth, from
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars veterans being back in we'll hear from Liam
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: about his initial message and much more ahead on t
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: to nextlam, Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube. It's Jaguars
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Happy Hour.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: You're chomping at the bit, especially after going to the
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: owners meetings and talking some smack and having some fun.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: But also it just feels a little bit closer right
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: as getting the guys back in the building and the
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: entire messages we're attacking this offseason and we're attacking the details.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: We're attacking our relationships, We're attacking our communication because there's new,
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: there's change, there's different communications and relationships that need to
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: be blended and matched and you know, pouring into each
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: other from a detail standpoint. I think that's going to
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: be key and critical.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: S Liam Cohen earlier today at the Draft luncheon, two
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: weeks away from the NFL Draft, Welcome back, It is
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour, JP Shadwick with Jeff Logman from the
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Hyundai Studios the Middle Electric Center to at Xcel am,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube, and yeah we're closing in. Yeah,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: not only on the draft, but the start of the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: off season program for veterans. The voluntary portion begins April
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: twentieth for teams with returning head coaches. Teams with new
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: head coaches started earlier this a week ago or so. Now.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's for a coach going into year two
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: with everything in place, coming off of a season that
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: they went thirteen wins and went to the play. Yeah,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: this is no time to let up. Now. They got
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: to set the foundation for moving ahead as an organization.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I think the Liam talking about, you know, hitting the
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: ground and challenging guys and getting this football team better.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, you got to love it. I Mean, the
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: one thing that I really appreciate about the great coaches
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: is that they always have kind of coaching points, speaking
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: points that they lay out. Okay, here's the theme and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: here's what we got to do. We've seen it on
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the hunt with a lot of these meetings that we
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: get to see and that's what I love. And the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: great ones always have messaging that gets through and the
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: ones that aren't great or lazy and don't have the messaging.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: And that's what I love about Liam. It seems like
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: every time you see him get in front of the team,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: he has a very clear, concise message that is delivered
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to the team that allows them to focus on this
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: as a team. And that's what I love most about Liam.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: And I look forward to this year and the many
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: years ahead. Yeah, I mean, that's that's the next challenge,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: right for a new coach is Okay, you've had some success,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: found it towards the end, got hot at the right time,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and got to do it again. Yeah, how do you
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: do it again? And dude, he said it at the
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: owner's meetings last week. It may not look like thirteen wins.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: It might be less than that, but they might be
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: a better team. I mean, you don't know, you don't know.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: But the important thing is is consistency to be in
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: that neighborhood, right, yeah, right. You know we're not saying
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: thirteen okay, because you can't sit there and just look
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: at that number as thirteen and say, okay, anything less
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: than that is failure. No, because he's right, it may
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: be eleven. But where do you go once you get eleven.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: That's the thing that's that's the measuring stick, and I
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: think it'll handle it. I think I'll handle it very well.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: And the other part of that too is look, you
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: got the third in year one, and it's not like
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: you had outstanding production from all the draft picks you had, right,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you got very limited production from the influx of the
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: drafted players. And that's not criticizing James in any way,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: shape or form. You had injury that impacted your number
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: one pick, and then your Caleb Brantsaw and then also
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: the linebacker that you had in round six McCleod. I mean,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you had injuries across the board with your draft picks
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: and injuries during the season that affected them. You know,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: so I'm in training camp. That affected guys throughout the
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: rest of the year. And they found some band aids.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: You know, Jacobe Myers they brought in midseason. It worked
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: out so well that, oh, let's sign him for three
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: more years. Yeah, I thought that worked out real well.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: That was a draft pick that was worth that was
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: a total worth sending the draft picks away for him
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: to be able to do that. And I thought that
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: James did a really good job of talking about how
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: you like to keep some draft picks into the future
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: so that you can do those kind of things. You know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: that's why you you can want to keep some capital
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: not necessarily trade some away thinking okay, well let's you know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: move up in this year's draft. Well, you know what,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: you might need those picks to make mid season improvements
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: to your football team, just like you did with j Goobe.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: And we saw the guaranteed contracts a couple of segments
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: ago that they've doled out over the last two years.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Oh that doesn't include Trevor Lawrence, who's number continues to
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: go up each and every year in the contract that
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: he signed the extension. But before this group came in
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: which you know, that's narrowing the pot. So at some
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: point you got to get some younger and cheaper talented
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: here well, and with Trevor when that deal happened. After
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: if you go back and you look at twenty three
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: and twenty four and you go, hh, I don't think
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: that was a real good deal yet, and then all
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, you look at the performance in two five,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: you're saying, that's a pretty good dal that worked, that's
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: a good that's a good contract to Trent. So you
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: want that trajectory, Okay, that continued path, and you know,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: and you've got to be excited about year two of
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: being in the same system and having some consistency and
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: scheme and coaches and the players that are around him
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: and improved players around him. Absolutely, and I bet they're
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: not done signing extensions either. Well, look, Brent Strange, Parker
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Washington have got to be right there at the top
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: of the list, you know, and that's not going to
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: be cheap. And the reality is that you're right and
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: that the drafted players are your inexpensive roster players. And
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: that's what makes it so important to hit on those picks,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: is because you have to have, you know, the economies
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: of scale. You got to have, you know, the guys
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: that have the big money and the guarantees, and then
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: you got to have the guys that are the lower
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: cost players that are on that first contract. You know,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: to be able to contribute to your football team. So
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: you got to be able to draft well. And then
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: you keep drafting well, right then all of a sudden,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: you can't sign everybody, and then some guys are going
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: to leave. And the Baltimore Ravens have been the masters
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: at this, and then you end up letting some guys
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: walk just because you can't fit him in under the cap.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: And then you kind of have a little what's the
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: right word, a little restraint in free agency and then
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: sign guys later in free agency, let some of these
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: guys walk. Then you get compensatory picks, which allows you,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: if you draft well, you can replenish your roster that way.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: And that's in a perfect world, that's what you want
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: to be doing to maintain that consistency and top a
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: point on Trevor Lawrence and the number continue to grow, Yes,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the salary cap continues to grow year after years. This
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: year it's crazy, crazy, But this year. Last year, Trevor
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Lawrence cap hit was seventeen million dollars. This year will
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: be twenty four million dollars. Twenty twenty seven, it's thirty
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: five million dollars. Twenty twenty eight. First year in the
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: new stadium, it's forty seven million dollars. And then it
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: gets into the seventies where they have to renegotiate and
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: do some things after that. Maybe maybe I mean those
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I mean seventy million dollars after three Super Bowl wins
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: in a row. Worth Hey, I'm all for it. I mean,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: why not. That would be a good problem to have
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: after three Super Bowl wins in a row. I'm all
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: for that kind of stuff. It'd be awesome. Let's get
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: a couple of notes from around the National Football League,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: and the Giants are in the news again. The New
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: York Football Giant. Why are they in the news besides
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: having a new head coach with an existing GM. Well,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the existing GM and their defensive tackle Dexter Lawrence have
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: not come together on a new contract. Dexter wants one,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: He's not getting it. Monday, he said he's seeking a
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: trade after seven seasons in the Swampston, Jersey. He's a
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: really good player. Yeah, the Giants reported for voluntary workouts
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Tuesday because it's a new head coach. He has two
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: years left in this current deal eighteen and a half
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: this year, eighteen million next year, but none of it's guaranteed.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: And he is a real force inside. Well, he's like
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: legit dominant and I think he's right means got a
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: and I think he's playing it smart. Yeah, you can
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: go out there in practice in this one. No guaranteed
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: money was to be a player of his caliber that
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: doesn't have any guarantees for the next two years and
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: the numbers right at eighteen and he's an upper echelon talent.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's probably in that twenty five to thirty
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: ish range value plus, you know, with guaranteed money. I mean,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: look at Traylon's guaranteed, Tradeon's seventy ish and the guarantees.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Trey Henderson somewhere in that sixty ish, you know, and
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: he's in year nine, you know, So he's what is
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence going into year what it's eight year eight,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: So he's a little bit younger than Trey Hendrickson. So yeah, absolutely,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I mean from him, I'm doing the same thing that
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: he is. And I'm not trying to make it unprofessional
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: in the disagreement, but I mean, yeah, I mean, why
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: should he show up to be captain? Voluntary? And this
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: is his right is to not show up. It's voluntary.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: He can show his displeasure this way about his contract situation,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and good football players will eventually get paid, and he
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: should get paid eventually. They would be insane not to
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: work something out with him. Yeah right, I mean they absolutely,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: they would be. And if they can't, we'll take them.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: We have enough money. I don't know, by the way,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: the interior d line contract average rankings, since we're talking
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: about averages, yea, Chris Jones thirty one point seventy a year, right,
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  Speaker 1: Jordan Davis of the Eagles twenty six. Okay, Milton Williams
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  Speaker 1: New England twenty six, and he's right up there with
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: those guys. I mean, he's got to be right. I mean,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: he's right up there in that same range behind Chris Jones.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, Chris Jones is starting to slow down a
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: little bit, and you know he's not Chris Jones, but
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: he's right there. But with those other guys, Zach Allen
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  Speaker 1: Denver twenty five and a half, Matta BK Baltimore twenty
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  Speaker 1: four and a half. And he's as good as those guys.
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  Speaker 1: Derek Brown's twenty four. Yeah, he's got to be. I mean,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: he's got to be in that twenty five. N Williams
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  Speaker 1: twenty four, yeah, Jeffrey Sevens twenty three and a half.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: He's and he's a good those guys. And he's eighteen
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: and he's everybody. He's every bit as good as those
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: guys that are in that twenty four to twenty five range.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: And by the way, his contract was done. How many
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: years ago was his contract and where he's at eighteen?
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: A couple probably a couple of years ago. Yeah, I
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: mean it's so look, what's wrong with asking for fair pay?
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Nothing wrong. You ask all you want till you're blue
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: in the face, no pun intended, you know. And Johns
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: New York has high taxes, So I mean maybe instead
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: of twenty five, you know, twenty four to twenty five,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: you might ask for twenty eight. See to make up
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: the difference. I like that. You need to be my age.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: That will work. Falcons right tackle Caleb and McGarry retired
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: after seven seasons. Sur sizing. They signed Jawan Taylor to
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: a one year deal for five million. Now, remember they
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: have two left handed quarterbacks now Pennix who's coming off
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: an injury and to a tongue by Looa. Yeah. What
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: what's surprising is that McGary was Caleb Yeah, right, yep, retired?
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: What was he like in year eight or nine? Seven years?
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: He was about to go into Europe? You'ar eight? I
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: mean wow? And here's the crazy thing. Now, he's good
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: football player, JP. Yeah, he's good player, thirty one years old.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Probably his last season. He was banged up a lot. Right,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: what did he make last year? Any idea what he
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: made last year? You know, he's a starting tackle in
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: the National Football League. He's probably in that twenty range
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: twenty million a year, and he's in year eight averaging
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: fifteen a year. Okay, fifteen a year averaging fix years
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: thirty million okay a new A starting caliber tackle in
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: this league is going to be in the twenty range
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: somewhere in there. But player of his caliber, very surprising
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: that he walked away, But you know, look good for him.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Congratulations on a great career. He is a good football player.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of guys that would not walk
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: away from that money. They'd have to be they'd have
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: to be like pushed out of the league, right, you know,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: And maybe he was. Maybe he's just had enough of
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: getting beat up John Taylor. Boy. His price tag went down,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: It certainly did. He got like twenty a year, paid
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: his money in Kansas City and now he's at five
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: five and when Kansas City is still the most penalized
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: player in the league. JP. When when we did not
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: sign him and Kansas City gave him that contract, I went,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: what are they doing? I mean, I like Juan, he's
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: a great guy. I mean, good dude, you know, big
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: fishermen then conplete the drums and yeah, good guy, great guy.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: But I went, when kan City paid him twenty million,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what are they doing? I mean, Johan's not
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: twenty million dollars a year player. I mean just it
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: just goes to show you. You think that Kansas City does
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: everything right because they've been winning Super Bowl, But then
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: they did that and I was like, oh, not so
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: good move right there. But his value has definitely dropped. Yeah,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: he was close to the most penalized play, it wasn't
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: quite He had like fifty something a year. Yeah, it
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: was always like it was always like false starts, are
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: not lining up right, illegal formations and all fifty something
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: penalties a year. Wow, it's a lot. Texans took fifty
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: year options of bost C J. Stroud and Will Anderson
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: not ye got to do that, no brainers. And they'll
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: be working all extensions with both of those guys. Uh.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Will is arguably one of the most dominant forces in
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the league. Look for him to be somewhere into that TJ.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Watt Micah Parsons range when he gets that new contract.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: He's that type of a player, not that Jeff Logoman range.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: What I mean Logoman range is like half a MILLI
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: year pretty good money though, But I mean he's he's
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: a guy that impacts the game against the run, in
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: the pass, never comes off the field hardly. He And
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: you know, the crazy thing is is that I remember
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: watching the film on him and I just thought, you know,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: he's just he just doesn't have a lot of size.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: And I mean a good player at Alabama, really good player,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: and I probably you probably remember me talking about it, going, yeah,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: but he's just a little smaller than you probably want
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: for that type guy plays big, guy plays big, and
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: and I didn't think he'd be that level player. So
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I kind of missed on out. I thought he'd be good. Wait,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: hold on, breaking news. You said you were wrong. Oh
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: it's totally wrong on him. Look at it. And I
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: thought he'd be good. I didn't think that he would
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: be great. He's a great player, great player. When the
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Texans traded back up to get him, I went, what
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: are they doing for that guy? He's a little undersized,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: kind of a tweeener, you know, he's he's a linebacker,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: bigger than a linebacker, but he's not big enough to
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: be an end. And they were dead on. We're back
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: in a moment, and we'll hear from the computers. Microsoft
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: co pilot will give us answers to a question or
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: an answer to a question. You're not going to give
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: any other hints though. It's about the Jaguars draft history,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: but no position. You're gonna find out in like two minutes.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I gotta wait to however long this break is three minutes,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's do it. Let's get to the
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: break so we can get this question asked. It's Jaguars
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: happy hour.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll really focus on is taking players that we
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: feel have a very clear fit within the way we operate,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: regardless of what that might mean in terms of the
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: outward perspective. Right, it's what fits us at what makes
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: sense to us, and at the end of the day,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: if they help us win football games, that's a win
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: for the Jaguars.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: And they don't care about the draft.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: You know, typically typically it's not the spot we put
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: the energy in.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I wasn't good with grades even back in elementary school,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: So why be good at them now?
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: It's wins and losses.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: It's James Gladstone asks midstream there about from Liam Cohen, Hey,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: don't you don't care about your draft grades? Yeah? Well no,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter in the grand scheme. Welcome back at
• 44:00
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• 44:04
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• 44:07
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• 44:10
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• 44:15
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• 44:19
  Speaker 1: it spits out words back to you. That's how computers were. Okay,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: sometimes now there's voice to text. Here's the question I
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: have that no Microsoft Copilot today. How many times have
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars made a pick at fifty six overall in
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the draft and hooted they select? Oh, it's a great
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: question history. The Jaguars have made one selection all time
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: at fifty six overall. They used it in the ninety
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: nine draft to select defensive tackle Larry Smith from Florida State.
• 44:48
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• 44:52
  Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, Larry war number ninety four, big guy,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: physical guy, had a a pretty solid career. It's had
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of talent, I think, And so it'll be
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: exciting to see who is next to fifty six, or
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: if it even is fifty six, right, they could move around. Well,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: you got one second round pick, that's fifty six, and
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: then you got what three in round three? When you
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: have three in round three, you know, does that give
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: you the ability or does it maybe make you think, hey,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: look let's move up a little bit higher into round two,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: you know, because look, you can get first round talents
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: in that thirty three to forty two window, right sure.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: And if you look at the history of the draft
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: and look at how many guys that have been really
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: good players in that first ten picks of round two.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe you see the need to move up
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: a little higher and trade one of those three. Or
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: if there's a cluster of players in that three pick window,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: you think you're gonna be pretty good anyway where you
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: stay right where you are, you could have one player
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: when you can have three players, or or or you
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: take one of those threes, trade it for a future too.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Oh see, now we're talking, you know, because a couple
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: of I mean, well, I mean I don't think you
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: get a couple of two. You get to trade a three,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: typically a deeper pick. Well, typically you get you can
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: move up around by trading that pick now for the
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: next year's pick. So you trade a fourth round pick.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Now next year you get a third round pick. You
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, You move up around by falling back.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: We seem a lot like in the deeper round. It's like, hey,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: let's trade this year's last night. I don't want to
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: pick the seventh round pick. I'll trade it to you
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: for a sixth rounder next JP. And in past years
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I would say trade all the sevens. But after watching
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: James Gladstone operate last year with finding guys that can
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: perform in round seven. I'm going keep those sevens, keep
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: those sevens because you know what they're gonna hit on them.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: And look at the history of the Rams with some
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: of their late round picks. By necessity, they didn't have
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: high picks. You had to go pick good players. So
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: we're I think it's going to be interesting to compare
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: now moving forward, you know, because it happened not really
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: last year, because a lot of the work was already
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: done when James Gladstone was with the Rams. Now moving forward,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: how to the Rams draft without James Gladstone and less
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: need has whoever is left and whoever he's brought in
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: to replace James Gladstone, And how does James Gladstone draft,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: you know, because I mean, look, I mean those two
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: are gonna get compared, just like Aiden Hutchinson and Trayvon Walker.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: You know, you part of the deal. You know you're
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: gonna be compared for the rest of your careers. And
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Jane Gladstone and less Neat are gonna kind of have
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: that comparison drawn between the two of them as they
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: move forward. Now two weeks away from the NFL Draft
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: first round is April twenty third, two weeks from today,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: and it'll be in Pittsburgh. No Jaguars picks at the moment,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: so we will have We are scheduled to have pre
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: draft show that day on Jaguars dot com. The draft
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: radio show is Friday. In the second round, I believe,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: second and third round. I'm fired up. That'll be fired
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: at Chubby and Pod. I get mister Chubby's wings perfect,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Do you kidd me? It's cool, some of the best
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: wings on the planet. I will probably eat a large
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: amount of them. Yeah, at some point you might talk
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: on the radio two maybe with a mouthful. Maybe so absolutely.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Of course, before that April twentieth, clubs with the turning
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: head coaches can begin their off season workout programs. We
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: heard Liam Cohen on the approach so late early in
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: it what happens? No, I mean, it's it's great, but
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: I mean it's just it's just really late. I remember
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: March was typically when we used to start with a
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: new coaching staff and everything. But it's just it's definitely
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: different now, you know, all the more reason of the
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: importance of players getting some type of an association with
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: somebody to train from the end of the season until
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: you get to your team's you know, activities in April.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: I mean that's a big window now, I mean that's
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, that's that's three and a half
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: four months, all three and a half months. Better not
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: be sitting on the couch eating cheetos, no prete much.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: You better make sure that you're doing something. You know,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys took off maybe a little bit
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: of time, but you've not taking off that much time anymore, no, sir.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: So it's starting to pick up. Business is picking up
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: here in the next couple of weeks in this offseason.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Have a good one. We'll see you next week. Austin
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Lane will be in with us next nice. He hasn't
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: been knocked out or anything lately, knocked anybody out. We'll
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: talk about that later. Thanks to Joe Fortunado, Brett Reever,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: David Shoard, whole crew, this is Jaguars Happy Hour.