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How To Stay Hopeful in a World on Fire: Mandana Dayani · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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Speaker 1: No one has all the answers, but when we ask
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Speaker 1: the right questions, we get a little closer, closer to truths,
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Speaker 1: closer to each other, even closer to ourselves. I'm journalist
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Speaker 1: Danielle Robe and each week, my guests and I come
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Speaker 1: So it's really special. You guys are also smart. I
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Speaker 1: wish you could all meet each other. Today's episode is
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Speaker 1: about a topic that has been on my mind a
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Speaker 1: lot the past few years, but particularly this year because
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Speaker 1: I read a Gallup poll that said fifty three percent
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Speaker 1: of Americans say that they're pessimistic about the future. That's
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Speaker 1: really wild. Over half of us are pessimistic about the future,
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Speaker 1: and only nineteen percent of us feel satisfied with the
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Speaker 1: direction of the country. And that stat probably doesn't surprise you.
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Speaker 1: It didn't surprise me because it's the kind of thing
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Speaker 1: that comes up in group chats and around dinner tables
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Speaker 1: and across news scrolls. I've really found myself asking people lately,
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Speaker 1: are we living through the decline of America? And I
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Speaker 1: asked Linda Ang, who's a culture predictor, when she came
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Speaker 1: on this podcast two months ago. If you're interested, you
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Speaker 1: can go back and check out that episode and hear
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Speaker 1: her answer. But the short answer is she said that
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Speaker 1: we are. And that hit me because I've always believed
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Speaker 1: in optimism, and I believe that optimism is the only
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Speaker 1: spirit worth having, because that's where change begins. Sure, we
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Speaker 1: could all be like, well it's broken, and just bow
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Speaker 1: out and say there's not much we can do. But
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Speaker 1: I don't want to sit back and pretend that there's
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Speaker 1: nothing we can do, because there's always something. We can
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Speaker 1: stay in it and we can care. So here comes
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Speaker 1: our guest this week, Mandana Diani. She cares and she
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Speaker 1: knows how to build. She's been doing it her whole life.
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Speaker 1: She fled Iran as a child during the nineteen seventy
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Speaker 1: nine Iranian Revolution, and then she eventually landed in a
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Speaker 1: tiny apartment in New York and watched her parents rebuild
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Speaker 1: from nothing and that seed of resilience and responsibility shaped
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Speaker 1: everything that followed in her life. She's gone on to
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Speaker 1: lead some of the most powerful brands and movements of
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Speaker 1: our time. Her resume is insane Reddy. She's been a
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Speaker 1: corporate attorney, a talent agent, and eventually the president of
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Speaker 1: Rachel Zoe, Inc. Overseeing fashion brands, media properties, producing the
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Speaker 1: Rachel Zoe Project for television, and then she later ran Archwell,
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Speaker 1: the media and philanthropic company founded by Prince Harry and
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Speaker 1: Megan Markle, where she helped launch the number one podcast
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Speaker 1: on Spotify, the number one doc on Netflix, the number
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Speaker 1: one memoir at Penguin Random House. And in twenty eighteen
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Speaker 1: is when I became acquainted with her. That's when our
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Speaker 1: country felt politically disengaged, and she created I Am a Voter,
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Speaker 1: which made civic engagement not just accessible but aspirational. And
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Speaker 1: when the world got louder and messier and more divided,
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Speaker 1: she didn't back away. She built. More recently, she built
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Speaker 1: one Mitzvah a Day, Our Campus United, and the OCU Chronicle,
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Speaker 1: each one a response to not just injustice, but to
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Speaker 1: the question how do we come together?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 3: There's one thing that like that I would think about
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Speaker 3: so much, which is the idea that you have as
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Speaker 3: much power in our government as Beyonce.
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Speaker 2: Is Lee is so cool.
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Speaker 3: Like you can't buy a VIFP table in our government
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Speaker 3: in a way, right, Like you get one vote, she
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Speaker 3: gets one vote.
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Speaker 2: Right, It's the greatest equalizer of power.
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Speaker 1: So in this episode, we talk about what it really
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Speaker 1: takes to stay in your integrity when the cost is high,
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Speaker 1: why purpose isn't found, it's forged, what it feels like
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Speaker 1: to be underestimated, and why she never let that stop
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Speaker 1: her the moment she stopped performing and started showing up
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Speaker 1: fully in her work and what that did for her career,
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Speaker 1: and she shares what she thinks no one tells you
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Speaker 1: about reinventing yourself at the top and the power of
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Speaker 1: choosing to build again and again. And then we talk
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Speaker 1: about raising the next generation to believe in both action
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Speaker 1: and joy. Here's one more thing before we begin. When
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Speaker 1: I hosted the World Happiness Summit this year, there was
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Speaker 1: a renowned psychologist, doctor Dan Thomas Sulo, and he opened
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Speaker 1: the day. It was one of my favorite talks, and
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Speaker 1: he shared something that I wrote down in my notes. Yes,
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Speaker 1: he said, hope is the only positive emotion that requires
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Speaker 1: uncertainty or negativity to be activated. People think hope is naive,
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Speaker 1: but it's not. It's not saying everything's fine, it's all fine.
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Speaker 1: It's not pretending not to see what's hard. Hope is
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Speaker 1: about recognizing the heart and saying, you know what, I
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Speaker 1: see the light at the end of the tunnel, and
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Speaker 1: I'm going to be better and stronger for going through
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Speaker 1: this journey to get to the end of the tunnel.
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Speaker 1: But I see the light there, and that's the kind
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Speaker 1: of hope Mandanna lives by, the kind that doesn't require
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Speaker 1: everything to be okay. So the question we're circling today
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Speaker 1: is how do we keep showing up with optimism and
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Speaker 1: hope and joy even when it's hard. It's time to
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Speaker 1: question everything with Mandana Diani, I have all these like
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Speaker 1: very fancy questions for you, but one just popped into
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Speaker 1: my I need to know the story of your name.
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Speaker 1: It is so unique.
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Speaker 3: I think she was the mother of Cyrus the Great,
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Speaker 3: who was the king of Persia, so I was technically
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Speaker 3: the queen I've rush for sure.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Which makes sense now I get it. I think your
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Speaker 1: story moving from Iran to America is so powerful. We
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Speaker 1: hear so many immigrants stories. I moved by all of them.
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Speaker 1: It takes so much fortitude to move to another country.
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Speaker 1: Will you share that story?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? So I was born in Iran.
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Speaker 3: It was after the revolution, so it was during the
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Speaker 3: Iran Rock War, and so many people had fled already, right.
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Speaker 2: During seventy nine.
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Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of memories, and they're starting
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Speaker 3: to come back more and more as time goes on.
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Speaker 3: But like so much of my memory is, you know,
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Speaker 3: the fear in everyone's eyes, like the morality police seeing
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Speaker 3: it was such a weird time.
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Speaker 1: How old were you?
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Speaker 3: I was almost six when we left, and you know,
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Speaker 3: there were bombings almost daily with the rock when the
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Speaker 3: assirens would go off and the lights would go out,
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Speaker 3: and have to hide for hours on end just until
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Speaker 3: we were allowed to go back up for safety. And
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Speaker 3: one day, my dad there was an explosion and the
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Speaker 3: impact from the bomb we went blind in one eye,
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Speaker 3: and like the doctors and so many people that could
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Speaker 3: have treated him were gone, and so it took my
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Speaker 3: mom forever to get us an opportunity to leave for
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Speaker 3: his surgery. First they were like leave your kids at
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Speaker 3: home and then you can take him, and she's like,
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Speaker 3: it's a war. I'm not leaving my kids. And then
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Speaker 3: they said you can take him and the kids for
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Speaker 3: one day, but you have to sign your bank account,
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Speaker 3: your home it's collateral, which we did, and then we
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Speaker 3: just went back and then they seized all of our
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Speaker 3: assets and we went to Italy. My dad went to
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Speaker 3: France to have his surgery. He ended up having a
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Speaker 3: retinal detachment, which they treated, and my brother's now a
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Speaker 3: retinal surgeon. So it's like a very cute, full circle story.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, we went to Italy and.
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Speaker 3: Then Highest, which is this amazing organization, helped us resettle,
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Speaker 3: and so we came to New York.
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Speaker 2: They helped us find the studio.
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Speaker 3: We're all slept on a bed on the floor, and
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Speaker 3: my dad got a job as a shoe sale.
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Speaker 2: I made four dollars and ten cents an hour, and.
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Speaker 3: We all learned how to speak English, and that was
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Speaker 3: kind of the beginning of it all.
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Speaker 1: I've heard you say that you kind of alluded to
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Speaker 1: it that you don't have a lot of childhood memories.
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Speaker 1: Have you been able to understand why.
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Speaker 3: I think it was my trauma response, as always freeze
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Speaker 3: or just to suppress memory. But after we left around
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Speaker 3: I just had no emotional connection to it because I
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Speaker 3: didn't belong there and it wasn't my home anymore. And
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Speaker 3: I so much gratitude for this country that I always
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Speaker 3: felt like this was my place. And I never looked
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Speaker 3: at photos of Iron. I had no curiosity about it.
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Speaker 3: When the Woman Life Freedom movement started, my video feed
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Speaker 3: on my phone was just like little girls and women
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Speaker 3: that looked like me and my daughters, and I'd never
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Speaker 3: seen Iranian women in my feed, and like songs, and
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, like so much started coming back
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Speaker 3: to me, like so much memory.
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Speaker 2: And then I just.
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Speaker 3: Went down the drab hole of just wanting to see
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Speaker 3: all the places I'd been as a child, and.
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Speaker 2: That really brought a lot more aback.
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Speaker 1: What did you feel? Was it anxiety? Excitement? What came
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Speaker 1: flooding back? There was like a lot of heartbreak and nostalgia.
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Speaker 1: There was just this like deep sadness.
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Speaker 3: I think that I will never be there again, although
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Speaker 3: now I have a lum or how that may be
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Speaker 3: possible one day. But also like I think part of
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Speaker 3: what always drove some of my activism is this, I
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Speaker 3: think guilt that I felt about, like why am I lucky?
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Speaker 2: Why did I get to leave? How do I make
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Speaker 2: it worth it?
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Speaker 3: Like God or whatever you believe in, gave me this chance,
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Speaker 3: And so I always felt this huge responsibility to make.
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Speaker 2: It work or make it worth it, or to have
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Speaker 2: like the universe.
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Speaker 3: And my parents feel like whatever sacrifice was made for
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Speaker 3: me to have.
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Speaker 2: This chance, that they were going to be like we
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Speaker 2: picked the right one. They're like, we're happy with this decision.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember feeling that at a young age, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: all the time.
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Speaker 2: I always felt this responsibility.
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Speaker 3: I think also because I could see my parents struggling
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Speaker 3: so much, you know, like financially it was so unstable.
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Speaker 3: My mom, you know, learning how to speak English so
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Speaker 3: she could teach us and helping us navigate this culture
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Speaker 3: that was so foreign to us. I used to want
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Speaker 3: full house all day to learn how to speak English
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Speaker 3: and mimic their behavior. And I could see how much
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Speaker 3: they were struggling, and I think I felt like, oh,
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Speaker 3: that was for me, And so I think there's a
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Speaker 3: lot of guilt.
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Speaker 2: That comes with something like that. And then also I
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Speaker 2: always took that on as responsibility too.
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Speaker 1: I feel it in a different way. My grandmother was
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Speaker 1: a Holocaust survivor or is, and from like five or
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Speaker 1: six years old, had this idea that I better make
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Speaker 1: an impact because I could have so easily not been here.
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Speaker 1: It was like, by such luck, but I understand that
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Speaker 1: feeling really deeply. Do you think that your story leaving
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Speaker 1: Iran has impacted the rest of your life everything?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: How so?
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Speaker 3: I mean I think the drive, like the ability to
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Speaker 3: work harder than everyone else. I also think sometimes like
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Speaker 3: my fear of not having a safety net also pushed
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Speaker 3: me to work really really hard. This desire to prove it,
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Speaker 3: I think also drove me sometimes too much. But I
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Speaker 3: also like thinking ahead to times like and we'll talk
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Speaker 3: about this later, but starting I'm a voter. Right when
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Speaker 3: I saw the migrant children being separated from their families,
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Speaker 3: it was like the most visceral.
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Speaker 2: Response I had.
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Speaker 3: Was remembering when we came to America and we got
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Speaker 3: to New York. Was the scariest thing I'd ever seen
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Speaker 3: in my life.
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Speaker 2: Right, Like, it's the sounds, the cars, like all of it.
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Speaker 2: It's so foreign.
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Speaker 3: And I held my mom's hand and I was like, Okay,
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Speaker 3: we're gonna be fine.
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Speaker 2: I have my mom and the idea that.
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Speaker 3: Whatever these families went through, leaving your home, going through
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Speaker 3: the most horrible circumstances humanly possible to come here, because
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Speaker 3: by the way, our Statue of liberty literally told them
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Speaker 3: to come here. And then you take their children out
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Speaker 3: of their hands.
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Speaker 2: And then we lost some of these kids. We orphaned them.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the only thing that these people had left
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Speaker 3: away from them. Every part of my insides imploded. And
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Speaker 3: so I don't know. I think that like those moments
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Speaker 3: are so forgn and I see it. It happened after
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Speaker 3: October seventh too, where you just you go back to
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Speaker 3: that moment, like one of my earliest memories, and I
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Speaker 3: spoke about this at the United Nations. Was like remembering
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Speaker 3: the morality police in Iran holding a gun to my head.
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Speaker 3: And when I saw themas videos very early in the
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Speaker 3: morning of October seventh, it was just this, like you remember.
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Speaker 1: The fear for anybody who doesn't know what the morality
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Speaker 1: police are you share.
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Speaker 3: So in Iran there are a lot of laws, and
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Speaker 3: many of them which really suppress women. So women aren't
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Speaker 3: allowed to dance or saying they're not allowed to have
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Speaker 3: bank accounts.
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Speaker 2: They're supposed to ask for permission to get married.
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Speaker 3: There's so much that holds women back, and obviously they're
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Speaker 3: required to cover and so there are police they're called
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Speaker 3: the morality police, that essentially enforce those laws. They just
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Speaker 3: take you from the streets if they want to. They're
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Speaker 3: allowed to intimidate you. They can do essentially what if
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Speaker 3: they want to you, and people being in prison all
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Speaker 3: the time for protesting, for dancing, for showing their hair,
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Speaker 3: for wearing a skirt, for anything, And it's just that
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Speaker 3: sort of constant fear around you that these lunatic, insane
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Speaker 3: men are going to come at you.
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Speaker 2: It's so wild that people live that way.
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Speaker 1: In a twenty fifteen interview with CNN, you were asked
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Speaker 1: what keeps you up at night, and you said, current
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Speaker 1: events they're unbearably depressing. So twenty fifteen, ten years later,
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Speaker 1: and a lot of people still feel like the news
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Speaker 1: is unbearably depressing, maybe even worse than before. Are you
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Speaker 1: coping differently now?
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Speaker 3: Yes, I think that I shifted to doing you know, like,
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Speaker 3: I think I had so many different careers and I
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Speaker 3: built so many different things, and so I realize for
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Speaker 3: me in the way that my brain works and I
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Speaker 3: process grief, so much better when I do something. So
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Speaker 3: just getting up, joining a movement, anything helped me so much.
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Speaker 2: And so I think it's not that I'm less sad.
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Speaker 3: About the state of the world, because lord knows, it
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Speaker 3: is scary out there.
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Speaker 2: But I do think think the idea that I.
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Speaker 3: Have worked so hard on the issues that I care
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Speaker 3: about makes me at least feel like I can maintain
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Speaker 3: my integrity, which is the literally only thing I ever
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Speaker 3: care about. Like I realized throughout my career that like
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Speaker 3: that is the only thing I will take with me,
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Speaker 3: And so when I go to bed at night, that
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Speaker 3: is the only question I ask myself is like, did
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Speaker 3: I abandon my integrity? And I don't care what the
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Speaker 3: consequence or cost of that is.
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Speaker 1: Why integrity because some people are driven by other.
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Speaker 3: Words, Because I have to live with myself and I
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Speaker 3: have to look my children in the eyes, and I
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Speaker 3: have to know that I did right by them. And
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Speaker 3: I think even as an activist, like I have seen
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Speaker 3: people I thought or leaders behave like such cowards because
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Speaker 3: they were afraid of their Instagram comments, Like there are
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Speaker 3: moments where I'm like, is this real? Even in a company,
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Speaker 3: just like I've been asked to do layoffs in ways
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Speaker 3: that were not okay, Like, no, I'm not going to
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Speaker 3: leave this world with regrets about how I behaved in
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Speaker 3: it in the ways that I could control. And I
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Speaker 3: always believe there's a way to do things with integrity
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Speaker 3: and to treat people with integrity. Everything about the way
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Speaker 3: that I was raised was always written in just how
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Speaker 3: you treat people, and so it's the one thing that
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Speaker 3: I feel like I would regret forever.
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Speaker 2: And I want.
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Speaker 3: To know that I can look at myself in the
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Speaker 3: mirror and I don't know, be proud of myself or
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Speaker 3: also live with myself.
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Speaker 1: I'm having sort of a weird experience listening to because
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Speaker 1: when I was very young, this girl is being mean
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Speaker 1: to me at school. She was bullying me like I
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Speaker 1: wanted to be mean back, and my mom said to me, Danielle,
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Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot of moments like this
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Speaker 1: in your life, and you have to be proud of
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Speaker 1: the person staring back at you in the mirror. Those
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Speaker 1: words have permeated my entire life, and so my word
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Speaker 1: is also integrity, and I'm sure a lot of people's
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Speaker 1: word is integrity, But I've never actually interviewed anybody who
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Speaker 1: said that, so I'm just so curious connected.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was always so important to me that,
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Speaker 3: like you could go to anyone that ever worked with
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Speaker 3: me and asked them what they thought of me, and
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Speaker 3: almost always they would lead with like she's so kind,
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Speaker 3: or like she's a good person. And I'm good at
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Speaker 3: my job and I'm good at what I do, and
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Speaker 3: that's also really important to me. But the way that
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Speaker 3: I show up matters so much to me, and the
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Speaker 3: example I set for my daughters, and I really thought
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Speaker 3: I'm a voter was a test of my commitment to
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Speaker 3: my voice.
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Speaker 2: I think part of the.
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Speaker 3: Way that your raise as an immigrant, at least for me,
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Speaker 3: was I almost like created a persona of what I
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Speaker 3: thought an American was right, and so I would be
17:31
Speaker 3: what I needed to be to advance in my career
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Speaker 3: or in rooms or whatever. And I was so malieable,
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Speaker 3: not in a way that I felt like made me
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Speaker 3: a bad person, but I could pretend to be like
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Speaker 3: good at something or like whatever was on the resume.
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Speaker 3: I was like, sure, I can do that. I speak
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Speaker 3: every language, I can write verses, I can do whatever.
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Speaker 3: Like it's fine, I'll learn it after the interview, you know,
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Speaker 3: and so I sort of created this projection of what
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Speaker 3: perfect was, and I would behave that way all the time.
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Speaker 3: I was always perfect, and it was like so stressful
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Speaker 3: at the same time, and I was trying so hard
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Speaker 3: not to disappoint my parents and my family and all
18:02
Speaker 3: the people that mattered to me.
18:04
Speaker 2: And I'm a voter.
18:05
Speaker 3: Was the first time where I just was like, fuck it,
18:08
Speaker 3: this is who I am, this is what I think.
18:10
Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of people that.
18:11
Speaker 3: Don't agree with me on my politics, and I really
18:14
Speaker 3: didn't care, and I never not cared what sort of
18:17
Speaker 3: my community or people thought of me.
18:19
Speaker 2: And the more I spoke, the liberating.
18:22
Speaker 3: Feeling of just being one hundred percent myself in my
18:25
Speaker 3: own body is like probably what I think people feel
18:28
Speaker 3: when they go skydiving. Like it was the most exhilarating
18:33
Speaker 3: experience I'd ever had. It was just like, oh my god,
18:35
Speaker 3: I'm free and i can just be whatever it is
18:37
Speaker 3: that I am and I'm going to be.
18:38
Speaker 2: Fine and people still love me.
18:39
Speaker 3: And that was like so powerful because I think that
18:44
Speaker 3: totally changed how I showed up in the world in
18:46
Speaker 3: every facet of my life. And I think October seventh
18:48
Speaker 3: challenged that even more because it wasn't just am I
18:53
Speaker 3: going to stand up right now and speak up again
18:54
Speaker 3: about something that's important to me. The most beautiful part
18:57
Speaker 3: of I'm a voter, I always said, was like the
18:58
Speaker 3: people it brought into my life. Community, and October seventh,
19:02
Speaker 3: I think put me at odds with so many people
19:07
Speaker 3: that I looked as like my leaders and like community. Yeah,
19:11
Speaker 3: and it was an intentional community, right. It wasn't like, oh,
19:13
Speaker 3: my town. It was just the people that I was like, oh,
19:17
Speaker 3: these are my people. We're fully in it. We're a
19:19
Speaker 3: line where we're like soldiers, were here to serve our
19:22
Speaker 3: country and protect you know, the marginalized communities together.
19:26
Speaker 1: There's major grief around that. I can imagine.
19:28
Speaker 2: It's weird. I'm one of those people like I try
19:30
Speaker 2: not to have like emotion at work.
19:31
Speaker 1: I'm always like, I'm fine, you don't ever cry at work?
19:34
Speaker 3: Never, Oh my god, No, I'm just like, get shit
19:36
Speaker 3: done is my only mode of operation. It took me
19:39
Speaker 3: a really long time to process that. I was just heartbroken,
19:42
Speaker 3: like it really hurt my feelings. It's like so weird
19:45
Speaker 3: for me to say that, because I'm terrible at saying
19:47
Speaker 3: that sometimes.
19:48
Speaker 2: But really was so angry. I was so upset. I'm
19:51
Speaker 2: so frustrated.
19:52
Speaker 3: I felt like I was screaming at the top of
19:53
Speaker 3: my lungs and no one could hear me every day,
19:56
Speaker 3: But it took me a long time to process, like,
19:58
Speaker 3: oh wow, I feel really let down and sat.
20:01
Speaker 1: I think I also felt a little abandoned.
20:03
Speaker 2: Totally, like really alone.
20:06
Speaker 1: What happened in your life or what shifted before I
20:10
Speaker 1: am a voter that you just threw it all away
20:12
Speaker 1: and threw caution into the wind.
20:14
Speaker 3: Giving back had always been a big part of my life,
20:16
Speaker 3: Like I started my first charity in like fourth grade.
20:18
Speaker 3: It's my school like charity thing. And then I would
20:21
Speaker 3: do all these donation drives and I worked as a
20:23
Speaker 3: project leader at ELI Work, so I would run these
20:25
Speaker 3: ELI Works day events. But it was like weirdly things
20:27
Speaker 3: I would do that nobody knew about. It just felt good.
20:30
Speaker 3: I loved that so much. And then we started this
20:33
Speaker 3: charity I honestly when I was like twenty five.
20:37
Speaker 2: It was a group of us.
20:37
Speaker 3: It was called World Child Project, and we would go
20:39
Speaker 3: down and try to help these orphanages in Mexico become
20:41
Speaker 3: self sustaining. And that was an incredible experience as we
20:45
Speaker 3: take these busses down and like sit with a community
20:47
Speaker 3: and build greenhouses or computer labs. And I'd always loved politics,
20:51
Speaker 3: like I really thought I was going to be a
20:54
Speaker 3: Senator since I was six years old. It was like
20:57
Speaker 3: the first memory I have of me in the US
20:59
Speaker 3: was seeing the White House and saying, I'm going.
21:01
Speaker 2: To work there.
21:02
Speaker 3: And I never understood what these things meant, but I
21:04
Speaker 3: stayed so close to politics and it mattered so much
21:07
Speaker 3: to me. And I think I worked so hard on
21:09
Speaker 3: the election and obviously did not want the results that
21:12
Speaker 3: happened in twenty sixteen, but again I think I was
21:16
Speaker 3: able to compartmentalize it and go to work, even though
21:19
Speaker 3: I was so sad. So when I saw the video
21:21
Speaker 3: of the Chats Operation Whilsey, I was un print to
21:23
Speaker 3: leave and there was that like, what on earth did
21:27
Speaker 3: we just.
21:28
Speaker 2: Do to these families.
21:29
Speaker 3: I just got on a plane and I went to Torneo, Texas,
21:32
Speaker 3: which is where the first camp was, and I saw
21:35
Speaker 3: the kids, and I love this country. You know it's
21:39
Speaker 3: not perfect, but I know what life is if you're
21:41
Speaker 3: not here. Like I've always been raised with the most
21:44
Speaker 3: gratitude for this country and this like deep patriotism, an
21:47
Speaker 3: obligation to like make this country better, and so to
21:51
Speaker 3: go there and to see you're just like something is
21:53
Speaker 3: broken politics aside, Like if we as a society can't
21:56
Speaker 3: agree that, forcibly, removing children away from their parents is
22:00
Speaker 3: the worst possible thing you can do as a government
22:02
Speaker 3: and as a country, something is wrong, like algorithms in societies,
22:07
Speaker 3: social media. There's something severely wrong with us. And so
22:12
Speaker 3: I came back and I didn't know what I was
22:14
Speaker 3: gonna do. Like I literally had a newborn and I
22:17
Speaker 3: started taking meetings with senators in congressation.
22:19
Speaker 2: I really thought that I could just help.
22:21
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, let's talk about your audience segmentation strategy,
22:24
Speaker 3: Like what are you doing?
22:24
Speaker 2: Tell me about your videos?
22:26
Speaker 1: Can we like up your brand you were using like
22:28
Speaker 1: your tools.
22:29
Speaker 2: Yeah.
22:29
Speaker 3: It was like okay, like I'm gonna just help you guys,
22:31
Speaker 3: and then we're going to like make this better or
22:34
Speaker 3: communicate this issue better, or help you win more seats
22:37
Speaker 3: or something.
22:37
Speaker 2: I don't know what I thought.
22:38
Speaker 3: And then everyone every meeting just kept saying, sure, help us,
22:42
Speaker 3: but if you really want long term systemic change, we
22:47
Speaker 3: need to hire voter turn out and when you work
22:50
Speaker 3: on the world that we come from, where like you
22:52
Speaker 3: launch a mass scara and sell ten million units and
22:56
Speaker 3: you're like, I don't understand.
22:57
Speaker 2: This is not hard, Like how many Marvel movies have
22:58
Speaker 2: we launched?
22:59
Speaker 3: Like we have to be able to figure out how
23:02
Speaker 3: to get people to show up for something that is
23:04
Speaker 3: actually so cool and so important and so impactful and
23:07
Speaker 3: such like a powerful form of self expression for people
23:12
Speaker 3: that value art. And so anytime I like have an idea,
23:16
Speaker 3: I just call smart women. And so I called twenty
23:20
Speaker 3: five of the smartest woman I've known and worked with,
23:23
Speaker 3: and I was like, hey, guys, can we meet on Sunday?
23:25
Speaker 2: And I don't think I thought anyone would.
23:27
Speaker 3: Come, And everyone came, which was really cool, and we
23:28
Speaker 3: like sat on the floor and like just talked. And
23:31
Speaker 3: I think I remember saying, we have a new client.
23:34
Speaker 2: It's voting. Their product drops in November. How do we
23:37
Speaker 2: get people to wait in line? What if we just
23:38
Speaker 2: became publicists for voting? What would happen?
23:40
Speaker 3: And Ca joined as our co founders And I didn't
23:44
Speaker 3: go into it like I want to start an organization.
23:46
Speaker 3: Let me apply for five oh one C three status,
23:48
Speaker 3: Like I just was all in on, like, if this
23:51
Speaker 3: is the way that we're going to have change. I'm
23:53
Speaker 3: really good at this thing that I'm good at. I'm
23:56
Speaker 3: going to do it this way. And there's a million
23:57
Speaker 3: people that do a million other things in this space,
24:00
Speaker 3: but we're going to do our version our way. And
24:02
Speaker 3: we all did probono as volunteers, and it became.
24:06
Speaker 2: So big so fast.
24:07
Speaker 3: Like you just never know, right, Like I always live
24:10
Speaker 3: in this fear of like no one's coming to my
24:11
Speaker 3: birthday party.
24:12
Speaker 2: Every time you launch something, you're like, there's anyone going
24:14
Speaker 2: to come. But it was wild to see the community response.
24:20
Speaker 1: What was the most exciting part about it?
24:23
Speaker 2: I think I had this like.
24:24
Speaker 3: Dorky hypothesis that like no one asks you to help, right,
24:29
Speaker 3: Like why aren't people asking you for help? You're so smart?
24:31
Speaker 3: Like I don't understand. Like I was like, no one
24:33
Speaker 3: is showing up at these women who have been the
24:37
Speaker 3: brains behind the biggest companies.
24:39
Speaker 2: Films, influencers in the world.
24:40
Speaker 3: Right, what if we just made this big pot together
24:43
Speaker 3: and like went to everyone that we knew and asked
24:45
Speaker 3: them to throw something in And so if we made
24:47
Speaker 3: the brand that was cool and we made it a
24:49
Speaker 3: non partisan, and we made it safe and all of
24:51
Speaker 3: the things. And my best friend Tiffany Bensley, who's like
24:54
Speaker 3: the chich is coolest woman in the entire world, helps
24:56
Speaker 3: start the row and Violet Gray and she's just amazing.
24:59
Speaker 3: And so everyone went out to their relationships in tech
25:02
Speaker 3: and finance and entertainment and fashion and beauty and was like, hey,
25:06
Speaker 3: you have windows, can we use them? You're sending boxes,
25:08
Speaker 3: can we throw something in them? Like you have a
25:10
Speaker 3: fashion show?
25:10
Speaker 2: Can we put stuff on your runway? And everyone said yes.
25:13
Speaker 3: And that was what blew my mind that like all
25:15
Speaker 3: these people were just waiting to be asked, and so
25:18
Speaker 3: like Disney was like, sure, we have all this unused
25:20
Speaker 3: ad space, would you like it?
25:21
Speaker 2: And We're like, huh, yes, thank you, that would be awesome.
25:25
Speaker 3: And so it was just so cool that it was
25:28
Speaker 3: like this is what sounds so dorky, but it was
25:30
Speaker 3: a community project, right. It felt like we built this
25:33
Speaker 3: like little garden together. That was what was so awesome
25:35
Speaker 3: was that like no one owned it, and I don't
25:37
Speaker 3: think I ever anticipated that happening. And then there was
25:40
Speaker 3: like the friends moment because I love friends, so i'man Jennifers.
25:43
Speaker 1: Wait what do you mean the friend's moment?
25:45
Speaker 3: So I read the statistic ones that said a reminder
25:47
Speaker 3: from a friend makes you up to two times more
25:49
Speaker 3: likely to vote, And so I created this campaign called
25:53
Speaker 3: Register Friend Day, which were like totally made up, and
25:55
Speaker 3: so we train worked the slogan friends don't let friends
25:58
Speaker 3: gep elections, and we changed our text code to you know,
26:00
Speaker 3: text friends whatever, and so if the three women from
26:02
Speaker 3: Friends posted to launch the campaign, and then Gwenda Paltrow
26:06
Speaker 3: and Robert Downey Junior did this video that was amazing,
26:09
Speaker 3: and we had one hundred thousand people that day confirm
26:11
Speaker 3: their registrations, which was wild.
26:14
Speaker 1: What's something that I am a voter? And the movement
26:17
Speaker 1: taught you about our political system? That inspired you something
26:21
Speaker 1: that you think more people should know?
26:23
Speaker 2: I think it's two things.
26:24
Speaker 3: When is that these people work for us and we
26:26
Speaker 3: have so much more power than we understand, and so
26:29
Speaker 3: our job is to hold elected's accountable. But also just
26:32
Speaker 3: how much the system needs us, Like I think that
26:35
Speaker 3: we don't really understand. People are like I do X
26:38
Speaker 3: for a living, what can I do? And I'm like
26:40
Speaker 3: everyone needs you and so many different capacities. I think
26:45
Speaker 3: it took a while to really understand how much power
26:49
Speaker 3: we had, how much it meant to everyone when we
26:52
Speaker 3: showed up, how cool it was to build community and
26:55
Speaker 3: find people.
26:55
Speaker 2: That you love, and how much of a difference you
26:58
Speaker 2: could make.
26:58
Speaker 1: I don't think I really under You hit on something
27:02
Speaker 1: that I hear so often nowadays, and it's I don't
27:06
Speaker 1: even want to call it apathy, because it's disappointment. People
27:10
Speaker 1: feel counted out of the system. Smart interested people are like,
27:15
Speaker 1: I'm one person. When did you really know that your
27:21
Speaker 1: voice actually made a difference.
27:23
Speaker 3: There's one thing that I thought was always weird that
27:25
Speaker 3: I would think about so much, which is like, sounds
27:27
Speaker 3: so strange to say out out, but the idea that,
27:30
Speaker 3: like you have as much power in our government as
27:33
Speaker 3: Beyonce is really so cool. Like you can't buy a
27:39
Speaker 3: VIFP table in our government in a way, right, Like
27:42
Speaker 3: you get one vote, she gets one vote.
27:44
Speaker 2: Right, It's the greatest equalizer of power. It's so cool.
27:48
Speaker 2: And the idea that like, if you don't show up,
27:50
Speaker 2: guess who is you know what I mean?
27:52
Speaker 3: And so like you actually matter the exact same as
27:56
Speaker 3: everyone else, no matter who they are, and so that
27:59
Speaker 3: means so much.
28:00
Speaker 2: I think I also like came.
28:01
Speaker 3: From a place where no one had that power or privilege,
28:04
Speaker 3: and so it blows my mind that people could just
28:07
Speaker 3: sit out something that is what hundreds of millions of
28:10
Speaker 3: people would literally kill themselves for.
28:13
Speaker 1: And do trying to come here. People lose their lives
28:16
Speaker 1: trying to get to America.
28:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think people like in the world of Amazon Prime,
28:22
Speaker 3: like everyone wants whatever it is that they.
28:24
Speaker 2: Want in twenty four hours. But like that's not how
28:27
Speaker 2: change works.
28:28
Speaker 3: Like our government wasn't created in a way that it
28:31
Speaker 3: would change and show up at your doorstep in two days.
28:34
Speaker 3: It's just going to take a really long time and
28:36
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to show up and over and over
28:38
Speaker 3: and over again.
28:39
Speaker 2: But change happens.
28:40
Speaker 3: Like we talk about my best friend, she Hannon Watts,
28:41
Speaker 3: but like when she started Moms to me in Action
28:43
Speaker 3: and look at the progress they've made in ten years.
28:46
Speaker 3: That is wild, right, But they show up every single day.
28:50
Speaker 3: And so if you care about something, you can't be
28:53
Speaker 3: discouraged because it hasn't happened.
28:56
Speaker 2: It's not that it's not going to happen, it just
28:57
Speaker 2: doesn't happen yet.
28:58
Speaker 1: I'm a huge patriot. I live by the quote that
29:01
Speaker 1: former President Bill Clinton said that everything that's wrong with
29:04
Speaker 1: America can be fixed by everything that's right. And I
29:07
Speaker 1: deeply believe that. And still I sometimes I am like,
29:11
Speaker 1: I don't have time to go protest.
29:12
Speaker 2: I have to go to work.
29:14
Speaker 1: I need to sleep, Like, how do you think about
29:17
Speaker 1: that aspect? Because I do feel like a lot of
29:19
Speaker 1: young people think about that. Again, I think your work,
29:22
Speaker 1: for example, is creating change. Right, We're having this conversation
29:26
Speaker 1: so that other people can hear it.
29:27
Speaker 3: So like, work shows up in so many different ways,
29:30
Speaker 3: and it doesn't mean you have to protest, like pick
29:32
Speaker 3: up the phone and call your uncle who said the
29:34
Speaker 3: racist thing and just have a conversation with him, right, Like,
29:36
Speaker 3: you can do the work in so many ways, And
29:39
Speaker 3: so I think part of it is reframing the way
29:41
Speaker 3: that you think about showing up for your community and
29:44
Speaker 3: your country.
29:45
Speaker 2: I think that makes a big difference. I'm like a.
29:46
Speaker 3: Giant labbordoodle, Like I just wake up and I'm this
29:50
Speaker 3: like super dorky, really positive human. I'm just like a
29:54
Speaker 3: hopeful idiot, And I could not be an activist if
29:57
Speaker 3: I wasn't. I have to wake up and believe that
29:59
Speaker 3: things can be better. And I'm committed to how long
30:02
Speaker 3: they take. It doesn't mean that I don't have real
30:04
Speaker 3: anger about things, which I do find incredibly motivating, and
30:08
Speaker 3: the ancher is important and it is very present in
30:11
Speaker 3: me a lot of the times. And then I just
30:15
Speaker 3: watch some tragic television and go to bed and I
30:19
Speaker 3: wake up, and then we try to gain.
30:21
Speaker 1: There is some criticism on social media about activism that
30:25
Speaker 1: it can be performative. They say performative not productive. I've
30:28
Speaker 1: heard kids call it slacktivism, like they say it's easy
30:31
Speaker 1: to post. Can it be both? And should it be?
30:34
Speaker 2: I always think about it in like buckets, so like
30:37
Speaker 2: anything is better than nothing.
30:38
Speaker 3: If you were sitting there and like judging other people's
30:40
Speaker 3: way of showing up and you're literally not doing shit,
30:43
Speaker 3: I'd rather take like something.
30:45
Speaker 2: The point for me that is lost sometimes is consistency.
30:48
Speaker 3: I had this issue a lot with the seasfire, right, like,
30:51
Speaker 3: which is like, it's not like beetlejuice.
30:52
Speaker 2: You can just like say it right, it's not even
30:54
Speaker 2: wear your pin. And then what do you think happens?
30:56
Speaker 3: Like you think no one thought of a seasfire, No
30:58
Speaker 3: camp David and all history was able to solve the
31:01
Speaker 3: most complex geopolitical conflict. You're going to wear a seaesfire
31:04
Speaker 3: pin to the Grammys and now everything's going to be
31:06
Speaker 3: fine in the Middle East?
31:07
Speaker 2: Right, Like, what is the point of that?
31:10
Speaker 3: And so sometimes the issue is like I don't know
31:12
Speaker 3: what you're doing, because it's not like everyone there doesn't
31:15
Speaker 3: want the ceasefire and everyone here doesn't want to see
31:16
Speaker 3: the fires.
31:17
Speaker 2: So like you absolve yourself.
31:18
Speaker 3: Of any moral responsibility just because you say those words,
31:21
Speaker 3: and we're here doing everything we can to try to
31:24
Speaker 3: solve this.
31:25
Speaker 2: That shit makes me crazy?
31:27
Speaker 1: Is that what people say is virtue signaling? I think so.
31:30
Speaker 3: I think it's like you're going to post a black square,
31:32
Speaker 3: but you're never going to do anything to hire people
31:35
Speaker 3: of color.
31:35
Speaker 2: So I think that also is performative activism.
31:39
Speaker 3: When it's being referenced. I'm so emotionally invested in times UP.
31:42
Speaker 3: I was one of the first people to sign We
31:43
Speaker 3: posted the things, we talked about it, and we all
31:46
Speaker 3: did trainings, and it was such an important moment in
31:49
Speaker 3: our collective consciousness. Like I do think that the way
31:52
Speaker 3: people show up to work will forever be different because
31:54
Speaker 3: of that movement. It was so important, right, I remember
31:57
Speaker 3: testifying at the United Nations about the sexual assault of
32:01
Speaker 3: women in Israel. And it wasn't like something we just thought.
32:05
Speaker 3: I mean, there were first hand accounts the rapists go
32:09
Speaker 3: prode it. They had manuals. So the Hamas had manuals
32:13
Speaker 3: for October seventh that taught them how to say take
32:15
Speaker 3: off your pants and Hebrew because that was a premeditated
32:18
Speaker 3: act of war. And so we hold this United Nations
32:21
Speaker 3: session and it wasn't with like a bunch of fascists.
32:25
Speaker 2: It was like Cheryl.
32:26
Speaker 3: Sandberg and Hillary Clinton and Kristen Jellibrand and I sent
32:30
Speaker 3: it to my feminist pioneers.
32:33
Speaker 2: Not a word. And that's the stuff that like I
32:35
Speaker 2: don't understand. That's the integrity part. It's like you're so
32:38
Speaker 2: scared of your.
32:39
Speaker 3: Instagram trolls spots, Like what is this that we can't
32:44
Speaker 3: hold this boundary together?
32:46
Speaker 4: Right?
32:46
Speaker 1: Something that feels so blatantly wrong.
32:49
Speaker 2: Yeah. When I talk to people that in like a
32:51
Speaker 2: corporate setting, I think the most important thing to think
32:53
Speaker 2: about is consistency. And I don't think people have to
32:55
Speaker 2: show up on every issue. It's like I say this, when.
32:58
Speaker 3: We talk about influencers and activism, it's like You don't
33:00
Speaker 3: have to say something about everything. If you want to
33:02
Speaker 3: talk about environment, that's amazing and that's beautiful, and mean it.
33:06
Speaker 3: Show up like do the work, learn about it, ask questions,
33:09
Speaker 3: bring on experts, like do the work throughout your products,
33:13
Speaker 3: through your content.
33:14
Speaker 2: And like that's it.
33:15
Speaker 3: You don't just show up or be an activist about
33:18
Speaker 3: every single issue, because then it doesn't feel genuine. I
33:21
Speaker 3: think it's one hundred percent okay for people to sort
33:24
Speaker 3: of pick their lane, but if you are going to
33:28
Speaker 3: speak up.
33:29
Speaker 2: On ninety nine issues, then hold the line on the
33:33
Speaker 2: one hundred.
33:34
Speaker 1: Do you ever struggle feeling hopeless?
33:36
Speaker 2: Sometimes I struggle like I don't know that anything is changing.
33:40
Speaker 2: I know that it is because I.
33:41
Speaker 3: Know it takes a long time, but I think there
33:43
Speaker 3: are days where I'm like, did that make a difference?
33:45
Speaker 3: You know, because it's so much work, some of these
33:47
Speaker 3: campaigns and some of these movements, and I think you
33:49
Speaker 3: just have to believe in the change and how long
33:52
Speaker 3: it takes.
33:52
Speaker 2: But there are days where it's just like, can we
33:55
Speaker 2: be done?
33:56
Speaker 1: Do you just sleep it off?
33:57
Speaker 3: I love to cook, so you like cook, and that's
34:00
Speaker 3: my biggest stress reliever. And I have a lot of
34:03
Speaker 3: dance parties with my girls, so like we just put
34:05
Speaker 3: on really loud music and just dance for a long time.
34:09
Speaker 1: Elive Azelle once said, we must always take sides. Neutrality
34:13
Speaker 1: helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor
34:17
Speaker 1: never the tormented. For anybody who is scared to speak up,
34:21
Speaker 1: doesn't know how what would you say?
34:24
Speaker 2: You will never regret honoring your integrity.
34:28
Speaker 3: I was appointed recently by President Biden to the Holocaust
34:31
Speaker 3: Memorial Council, which was the greatest honor of my life.
34:34
Speaker 2: And I was in DC three weeks ago and we
34:36
Speaker 2: had our first board meeting. We went to the museum.
34:37
Speaker 3: We had all these conversations, and we met with survivors
34:40
Speaker 3: and their families, and you know, you sort of sit
34:42
Speaker 3: in these moments and you're like, Holocausts didn't just happen, right,
34:46
Speaker 3: There were millions of decisions that everyday humans made that
34:51
Speaker 3: enabled Holocaust. And some of those decisions were silence. They
34:55
Speaker 3: were abusing somebody next to you, and you didn't say anything,
34:57
Speaker 3: or you look the other way. Right, it was the
34:59
Speaker 3: first time where they sort of infringed on someone's rights
35:02
Speaker 3: and you didn't say anything. And the first time they
35:04
Speaker 3: started removing people from their homes, and you just were like, I'm.
35:07
Speaker 2: Sure it'll go away. This is temporary. Right.
35:09
Speaker 4: All of the people and all of the decisions that
35:12
Speaker 4: they made and all of the people that enabled these
35:14
Speaker 4: leaders to get to this place, are how you commit
35:17
Speaker 4: the greatest genocide in history, right, And so I think
35:20
Speaker 4: silence is really powerful.
35:23
Speaker 2: It actually is a decision.
35:25
Speaker 3: And I think that was the most important sentence from
35:29
Speaker 3: one of the Holocaust survivors who spoke. He said, silence
35:32
Speaker 3: is a choice. You're not being passive. You are actually
35:35
Speaker 3: actively making a.
35:37
Speaker 2: Choice to be silent, and that is a choice that
35:40
Speaker 2: you live with. You're not sitting it out. You're making
35:43
Speaker 2: a choice to be silent.
35:45
Speaker 1: I feel that when I watch these videos of people
35:48
Speaker 1: being deported right now, I'm like, oh, this is how
35:52
Speaker 1: it started. And you just feel like there's nothing you
35:54
Speaker 1: can do. So you've launched a new endeavor called one
35:58
Speaker 1: Mitzvah day. Can you explain the meaning of amizvah?
36:01
Speaker 3: So after October seventh, I started an organization called Calun Foundation,
36:06
Speaker 3: and we have like a bunch of different projects that
36:08
Speaker 3: we've incubated and launched since then, and all of them
36:10
Speaker 3: are sort of meant to address a.
36:13
Speaker 2: Very specific concern or issue.
36:15
Speaker 3: I always look at it as like an opportunity to
36:17
Speaker 3: bring people together or change perspectives and amidst that, I
36:21
Speaker 3: guess technically means commandment, but it's kind of used.
36:26
Speaker 2: In culture to mean a good deed.
36:28
Speaker 3: So there's such an organized movement to weycott Jewish own brands,
36:36
Speaker 3: Jewish authors, which is wild. And so I realized that
36:42
Speaker 3: the penalty that people were paying for standing up against
36:45
Speaker 3: anti Semitism was almost too high because every time they
36:48
Speaker 3: would be docksed, they would have people calling, and you
36:51
Speaker 3: have people protesting outside their house, and they're like doing
36:53
Speaker 3: the right thing. I wanted to create almost a counter
36:57
Speaker 3: love movement, right, like what if we just organized community.
37:00
Speaker 2: People that said thank you?
37:01
Speaker 3: And so that really is how it started, which was
37:04
Speaker 3: every day you get a message and it's like today
37:07
Speaker 3: we're going to thank these people, members of Congress, Trader
37:09
Speaker 3: does Netflix. It could be anyone, any cultural leader, you know,
37:13
Speaker 3: Apple for partying ways with Kanye, anyone who just sort
37:16
Speaker 3: of takes the decision to do the right thing and
37:20
Speaker 3: making sure that they hear from our community as well.
37:23
Speaker 1: How much we appreciate it. Because we do obviously, and.
37:26
Speaker 3: Now we're starting to do more localized work, which is
37:29
Speaker 3: also what's really cool about the platform and being able
37:31
Speaker 3: to know where people are. We launch MIT's of a
37:33
Speaker 3: Maker Day actually last month, and that was just a
37:36
Speaker 3: day of service and we had people in like twenty
37:39
Speaker 3: five cities organizing community service projects, and we had like
37:43
Speaker 3: really cool dorky swag and merch and like.
37:47
Speaker 2: Taco trucks and ice cream trucks.
37:48
Speaker 3: It was just awesome and it was like a beautiful
37:50
Speaker 3: day out in your community. And that's like who Jewish
37:53
Speaker 3: people have been for thousands of years, right, Like our
37:55
Speaker 3: entire culture is rooted in tikunalam, right, which is this
37:59
Speaker 3: idea of a repairing world and doing good. And so
38:03
Speaker 3: to see the whole community just like out and like
38:06
Speaker 3: singing and eating and doing good was just like what
38:09
Speaker 3: I think fuels me to keep going.
38:12
Speaker 1: Your career has spanned law, media, fashion, tech, activism. You
38:16
Speaker 1: started as a corporate attorney, then you became a talent agent.
38:20
Speaker 1: Then you served as VP at Rachel Zoe, Inc. Then
38:22
Speaker 1: you were a chief brand officer at Everything but the House.
38:25
Speaker 1: You served as president of Archwell, which is the media
38:27
Speaker 1: and philanthropic company founded by Prince Harry and Megan Markele
38:31
Speaker 1: Of everything on your resume, I'm sure there's things I
38:33
Speaker 1: didn't even mention. What position or job has taught you
38:37
Speaker 1: the most about yourself?
38:39
Speaker 3: I think everything taught me something pivotal, Like being a
38:42
Speaker 3: lawyer was learning that I can say no because that
38:46
Speaker 3: was my parents' dream.
38:47
Speaker 2: I just did not want to do that.
38:48
Speaker 3: And working with Rachel like that was the most entrepreneurial
38:51
Speaker 3: environment you could ever be in if you're an entrepreneur.
38:53
Speaker 3: We just kept starting businesses and like, there's so much
38:56
Speaker 3: trust in me to build and launch and lead. It
38:58
Speaker 3: was just like a playground. Never learn more, right, and
39:01
Speaker 3: I'm a voter. Taught me so much about the power
39:03
Speaker 3: of shaping culture and brand and what badass group of
39:07
Speaker 3: women can accomplish, you know, Archwel really solidified like the
39:12
Speaker 3: importance of storytelling and impact and how beautifully like those
39:18
Speaker 3: can work together. And just seeing like both principles that
39:21
Speaker 3: I worked for, just how much they cared about both
39:24
Speaker 3: of those things and being able to weave them in
39:26
Speaker 3: through all the different facets of the company, in them
39:28
Speaker 3: and what they wanted to focus on was really cool
39:31
Speaker 3: and I think most recently, I've just understood my own
39:34
Speaker 3: power and just being able to keep going to say no,
39:39
Speaker 3: to not be intimidated, to know that like Louder isn't correct.
39:46
Speaker 3: I think like the world and algorithms are so hard
39:48
Speaker 3: for so many people, and it's so hard to decipher
39:50
Speaker 3: like what is true, And you're a journalist, so you
39:52
Speaker 3: deal with this all the time, right.
39:54
Speaker 2: I don't know.
39:54
Speaker 3: I think the power of believing in kind of your
39:57
Speaker 3: own knowing I didn't really ever have before. Really throughout
40:02
Speaker 3: my whole career, I always felt fraudulent a little bit
40:04
Speaker 3: because I was like I don't belong here, like they
40:06
Speaker 3: don't even know that I don't know anything.
40:08
Speaker 2: Or like they don't know that I'm like some little
40:10
Speaker 2: kid who was like no money, barely speaks to English, right, Like.
40:12
Speaker 3: It always felt like a little bit of imposter syndrome.
40:17
Speaker 3: And I was advancing so quickly in careers that everyone
40:20
Speaker 3: else had done for twenty years before. But then the
40:23
Speaker 3: more you sort of advance, you realize like everyone's kind
40:26
Speaker 3: of just figuring it out, and everyone's full of shit
40:29
Speaker 3: to some extent, and so you just learn to trust yourself.
40:33
Speaker 3: I always thought there was like a right answer, and
40:35
Speaker 3: that someone knew what the right answer was, that everything
40:37
Speaker 3: always equaled something or there was like a multiple choice
40:39
Speaker 3: and one of.
40:40
Speaker 2: The answers was correct. And so I think over it
40:42
Speaker 2: took me a very long time to understand that sometimes.
40:44
Speaker 3: Like it really is just gut or it is your
40:46
Speaker 3: ability to sort of pick a path and believe in it,
40:49
Speaker 3: and like, even if it's not right, you make it right.
40:52
Speaker 1: Did you have a specific pivot that taught you that?
40:57
Speaker 3: So I think that concept of like failing fast is
40:59
Speaker 3: really important, right, like being able to look at any
41:01
Speaker 3: relationship like a spouse, a cousin, a friendship, a boyfriend,
41:05
Speaker 3: a company, a job, a campaign, and being able to say,
41:08
Speaker 3: like this isn't working, and very quickly be able to pivot.
41:12
Speaker 2: And I've done that a million times, Like I'm a voter.
41:14
Speaker 3: Was it called I'm a voter? Initially and it wasn't
41:17
Speaker 3: clicking in my head? It just wasn't landing, and you're
41:21
Speaker 3: just like it's not right, and I know it's not right,
41:23
Speaker 3: and then it.
41:23
Speaker 2: Just becomes right.
41:24
Speaker 3: There were so many things in my life that were
41:26
Speaker 3: like that, and then more quickly, I think you can
41:28
Speaker 3: just respond to that knowing the faster you will get
41:32
Speaker 3: to where you want to get.
41:33
Speaker 2: That is like a skill.
41:34
Speaker 3: I think that takes a lot of confidence to be
41:37
Speaker 3: able to say, like, it's not landing.
41:39
Speaker 1: What's something about working with powerful people that nobody prepares
41:43
Speaker 1: you for.
41:44
Speaker 2: There's so much I.
41:44
Speaker 3: Think, the speed at which everything moves, Like everything is
41:48
Speaker 3: so fast and there's so much that comes at you,
41:51
Speaker 3: and the ability to sort of be able to make
41:54
Speaker 3: decisions you don't have like time, the way that I
41:57
Speaker 3: think you necessarily always want time. There's so many opportunities
42:01
Speaker 3: and so many things, and so many requests and news
42:03
Speaker 3: and whatever that just comes at you, and you have
42:05
Speaker 3: to very quickly be able to say, like that one's
42:07
Speaker 3: right when these are wrong right, and really believe. And
42:10
Speaker 3: then I think the ability to achieve so much right
42:15
Speaker 3: is so cool to me thinking about all the people
42:18
Speaker 3: that I've worked with, you know, the obvious ones and
42:20
Speaker 3: then the ones I've worked with as advisors, and like
42:23
Speaker 3: just I think I gravitate towards people that think so expansively,
42:27
Speaker 3: and that has taught me so much about being able
42:31
Speaker 3: to just do so many things at the same time.
42:34
Speaker 1: It feels contagious, like expansive thinking begets more expansive thinking.
42:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, my like, most allergic I am to people are
42:42
Speaker 3: the ones that feel scarcity minded or who like fixate
42:46
Speaker 3: on things that are wrong all the time. Because I'm
42:49
Speaker 3: just like, why there's like so much even people used
42:51
Speaker 3: to come to me all the time. It's like, why
42:53
Speaker 3: did you start Helena Foundation? There's so many organizations that
42:57
Speaker 3: exist that combat into Semitism. I'm like, oh, I'm sorry,
43:01
Speaker 3: it is anti sim fixed, Like do you know what
43:03
Speaker 3: I mean? Like, is there no room for other people
43:05
Speaker 3: to come in? Like I can't think that way, Like
43:07
Speaker 3: there's always space for new ideas and innovation and people
43:11
Speaker 3: to come and partner, and like, I can't understand like
43:14
Speaker 3: people that are like jealous or scarcity minded, especially when
43:19
Speaker 3: it's like women on women and shit, it makes me crazy.
43:23
Speaker 1: You are an expert of the pivot. Honestly, in my DMS,
43:27
Speaker 1: the women that listen and watch are usually really career
43:30
Speaker 1: focus and purpose driven, and there's a lot of questions
43:35
Speaker 1: about pivoting when it's the right time. I'm curious if
43:38
Speaker 1: you have one or two signs to know that you're
43:41
Speaker 1: in the right place, in the right job.
43:44
Speaker 3: There are moments in my career where I felt like
43:46
Speaker 3: I was dead inside and I was not learning. And
43:50
Speaker 3: when I feel like I'm not learning and I'm not growing,
43:52
Speaker 3: it really shuts me down. So that was always when
43:56
Speaker 3: I felt like, Okay, it's time.
43:57
Speaker 1: But a lot of my.
43:58
Speaker 3: Pivots were led by my curiosity. It was more me
44:02
Speaker 3: chasing something I really wanted to understand or learn. I
44:06
Speaker 3: don't think it's ever too late. I think everyone is
44:08
Speaker 3: more than qualified to do anything. I genuinely believe that
44:12
Speaker 3: if you have common sense and if you will do
44:16
Speaker 3: the work, there's nothing you can't do.
44:18
Speaker 2: Truly.
44:19
Speaker 3: I think as far as like what is the right time,
44:21
Speaker 3: I think when there is that like deep curiosity, when
44:25
Speaker 3: you're just like get me out of here, like put
44:26
Speaker 3: me in coach, put me in coach, that feeling of
44:28
Speaker 3: like I just want to try this thing is the
44:30
Speaker 3: moment you should leap.
44:32
Speaker 1: And when you feel that curiosity, what are the things
44:35
Speaker 1: that you do to walk towards it? Are you a researcher?
44:38
Speaker 1: Do you call friends? Like how do you navigate that?
44:41
Speaker 2: So like when you grow up in an immigrant family,
44:44
Speaker 2: like everyone does the same thing.
44:46
Speaker 3: I don't know if that was your experience, right, there's
44:47
Speaker 3: like three jobs that everyone has, so I didn't even
44:51
Speaker 3: know what other people did. I was like, how am
44:53
Speaker 3: I supposed to go out and figure out like what
44:55
Speaker 3: I want to do? I don't even know what is
44:56
Speaker 3: an architect? Like what does an editor do? Like? Actually,
45:00
Speaker 3: if you work at a magazine, what do you do
45:02
Speaker 3: on a Tuesday afternoon? I never met anyone that had
45:04
Speaker 3: these jobs, never talked to them. So my husband, who's
45:07
Speaker 3: my boyfriend at the time, was like, just take meetings
45:10
Speaker 3: with people. If you're not asking me for a job,
45:12
Speaker 3: especially they're totally happy to talk about themselves.
45:15
Speaker 1: I was like great.
45:16
Speaker 3: So I took meetings with everyone I thought had an
45:19
Speaker 3: interesting job, and I was like, can I take you
45:21
Speaker 3: to coffee?
45:22
Speaker 2: And I did, I'm just go to coffee. I'm like
45:23
Speaker 2: what do you do? Like what does it mean? What
45:24
Speaker 2: makes you good at what you do?
45:25
Speaker 3: And I would be able to listen and say like,
45:29
Speaker 3: oh lord, I'm not gonna do that, or I would
45:31
Speaker 3: be terrible at that, or that does not sound interesting
45:34
Speaker 3: to me at all, And then there would be something
45:36
Speaker 3: somebody would say where I was like, oh my god,
45:38
Speaker 3: I want to do that right now. And I met
45:40
Speaker 3: with this guy who was a talent agent. I loved brands,
45:42
Speaker 3: like I was always obsessed with brands. I'd done licensing
45:44
Speaker 3: as an attorney on our hospitality team, and he was
45:47
Speaker 3: explaining what he did, and I was like, can I
45:51
Speaker 3: come to your office on Monday and work for you?
45:53
Speaker 2: And he's like, I'm not hiring anybody, and oh cool.
45:55
Speaker 2: I'll just show up and then you can decide if
45:59
Speaker 2: you want a surpay me. But I think you sort
46:02
Speaker 2: of know you feel it.
46:04
Speaker 1: Wait, tell me about the scrappy things you've done. I
46:06
Speaker 1: love those stories.
46:08
Speaker 3: I mean, even like as a kid, like I remember
46:10
Speaker 3: growing up in Beverly Hills with no money and this
46:14
Speaker 3: immigrant family. Then I got this cool job in college
46:17
Speaker 3: and then I looked at these rooms and I was like,
46:19
Speaker 3: oh my god, everyone dresses so well. And I like
46:22
Speaker 3: went to the flea market and bought a sewing machine
46:25
Speaker 3: and I started making my own clothes and then everyone
46:27
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, you have the best on.
46:29
Speaker 3: Everything was sort of something to hack in my brain.
46:32
Speaker 3: It was like, oh, okay, this is an obstacle in
46:34
Speaker 3: my path to whatever I deemed a success. And so
46:38
Speaker 3: it was just a matter of how I was going
46:40
Speaker 3: to hack that system.
46:42
Speaker 1: Now that I'm hearing more of your story. I'm wondering
46:45
Speaker 1: what it meant to you when you were able to
46:48
Speaker 1: purchase your own clothes and your own like nice pair
46:50
Speaker 1: of slacks or any of that. Did you care?
46:53
Speaker 2: There are moments still to this day where I'm like,
46:57
Speaker 2: is this real life? You know?
46:58
Speaker 3: I just can't even process where I am. And then
47:03
Speaker 3: I'm just so headstone working that I don't process it
47:05
Speaker 3: at all, which is the worst. I'm really, I would say,
47:08
Speaker 3: more than anything, trying to learn how to be more
47:10
Speaker 3: like present.
47:11
Speaker 1: This idea of reinvention came up for me a lot
47:14
Speaker 1: when I was searching and prepping, and I'm wondering if
47:17
Speaker 1: you think there's something that people misunderstand about starting over,
47:21
Speaker 1: especially once you're at the top of your game, because
47:24
Speaker 1: like you're constantly pushing forward. I think there are people
47:28
Speaker 1: who have careers and it's like, you know, you're at
47:30
Speaker 1: the same place for thirty years. That's not been your experience.
47:33
Speaker 1: Do you think people misunderstand things about starting over?
47:37
Speaker 2: I don't think that you're starting over.
47:39
Speaker 3: I'm really good at building brands, so like, whether I'm
47:42
Speaker 3: doing it in fashion, in tech, for democracy, on anti semitism,
47:46
Speaker 3: for mascara, like it's sort of the same. I'm just
47:49
Speaker 3: applying something I'm good at to a bunch of different situations,
47:52
Speaker 3: and the learning curve in those situations is a lot.
47:56
Speaker 3: So I don't think that you are someone who is
48:00
Speaker 3: a very skilled accountant who's worked at a firm for
48:04
Speaker 3: ten years and is starting over by taking a new job,
48:07
Speaker 3: Like you are clearly really organized, really meticulous. You understand
48:12
Speaker 3: the structure of working that you will apply to anything
48:15
Speaker 3: else that you do. I don't know why you do
48:17
Speaker 3: that job, and then you can't go work in merchandising
48:20
Speaker 3: for a fashion brand, like, yes, you may not know
48:23
Speaker 3: everything about that, but there are plenty of people around
48:25
Speaker 3: you that can help you for what will be a
48:28
Speaker 3: three month hard learning curve. I don't think that it
48:32
Speaker 3: just like evaporates all this experience.
48:35
Speaker 1: You have two daughters. What about the way you are
48:38
Speaker 1: raising them are you most proud of?
48:40
Speaker 3: I mean, I try to include them in everything, So
48:43
Speaker 3: we go everywhere together and bring them on trips because
48:45
Speaker 3: I always feel like the best way to learn is
48:47
Speaker 3: through experience, and if I get to go somewhere cool,
48:49
Speaker 3: I want them to be able to experience it. And
48:52
Speaker 3: I think that makes a really big difference for them
48:54
Speaker 3: once do they understand what I'm doing and like why
48:56
Speaker 3: I'm away or why I'm traveling or what I'm spending
48:59
Speaker 3: my time on, but also because they get to meet
49:03
Speaker 3: incredible people.
49:04
Speaker 1: How did you go about raising a confident girl?
49:07
Speaker 3: I think part of it was just growing up in
49:10
Speaker 3: a family that there's just so much love, right, Like
49:14
Speaker 3: everyone in my family just constantly hugging and loving on
49:18
Speaker 3: these girls so much. If there's anything I felt like
49:21
Speaker 3: I lacked as a child, it was I never felt
49:24
Speaker 3: like I was sort of understood by my family. I
49:26
Speaker 3: was very different than everyone else that was Persian and
49:30
Speaker 3: Jewish or everyone in my family, so different than my brother,
49:34
Speaker 3: who's like the male surgeon figure. And I think given
49:39
Speaker 3: how much they had to figure out in their lives, right,
49:41
Speaker 3: they never really had the capacity to be able to
49:43
Speaker 3: say like, oh, you're really good at this or you
49:45
Speaker 3: like this thing.
49:46
Speaker 2: And like let's go deeper on whatever that is.
49:49
Speaker 3: And so I felt like I was sort of on
49:50
Speaker 3: my own a lot to figure out myself and who
49:52
Speaker 3: I was in my interests. And I think I tried
49:55
Speaker 3: so hard with our goals, and my husband tried so
49:57
Speaker 3: hard with our goals to really see their magic, like
50:01
Speaker 3: really from every moment that they were born, like being
50:03
Speaker 3: able to pull out like what their magic is and
50:07
Speaker 3: hone in on it and share that with them and
50:10
Speaker 3: figure out, like, is that something you want to do
50:13
Speaker 3: more of? Like should we take a class on that together?
50:15
Speaker 3: And make space for them to keep nurturing it? And
50:19
Speaker 3: I think they have a lot of confidence in their
50:21
Speaker 3: own skills and not like what I want their skills
50:24
Speaker 3: to be.
50:24
Speaker 1: What do you want your daughter to understand about her worth?
50:28
Speaker 3: That took you decades to learn that it's not defined
50:31
Speaker 3: by other people, and she gets to define what that is.
50:35
Speaker 3: I think I spent too much of my life like
50:38
Speaker 3: wanting approval from other people.
50:40
Speaker 1: So you just launched our Campus United. Can you tell
50:43
Speaker 1: me what prompted that?
50:45
Speaker 2: Yeah?
50:45
Speaker 3: So when we started seeing the huge outwursts of anti
50:49
Speaker 3: Semitism on campuses, I started traveling to the different campuses
50:52
Speaker 3: speaking with student leaders.
50:54
Speaker 2: We hired a publicist for some of them.
50:55
Speaker 3: We try to figure out how to get them on camera,
50:57
Speaker 3: how to tell their stories because it was so hard
50:58
Speaker 3: to break through what they were experiencing. And then we
51:02
Speaker 3: convened a summit here in la and had a bunch
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Speaker 3: of these student leaders that were testifying before Congress come
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Speaker 3: out here and really had like a two day session
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Speaker 3: where we asked them to lead with what they want,
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Speaker 3: What are you not getting on campus?
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Speaker 2: What's the support that you don't have?
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Speaker 3: And these students altogether, really under the leadership of this
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Speaker 3: incredible woman as Meino Hepsian, became our campus United, and
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Speaker 3: so they're all sort of the founding team, very similar
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Speaker 3: in parallel to sort of how I Am a Voter
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Speaker 3: got created, and it started with being able to create
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Speaker 3: a way for them all to convene a community events,
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Speaker 3: bringing back joy, creating resource guides so they wouldn't have
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Speaker 3: to figure out how to navigate anti Semitism by themselves.
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Speaker 2: And it was all of this amazing stuff.
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Speaker 3: But one of the things we kept hearing from them
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Speaker 3: over and over is that they were being like docs
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Speaker 3: or silenced or excluded from their student newspapers if they
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Speaker 3: were Jewish or if they had any pros rual points
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Speaker 3: of view, which was just crazy to me that they
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Speaker 3: were prevented from those spaces, or that their own student
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Speaker 3: newspapers were writing terrible things about them and not giving
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Speaker 3: them a platform to respond.
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Speaker 2: Like multiple students had their newspapers write things about them.
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Speaker 2: So we went out and started talking to a lot of.
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Speaker 3: My friends who work in that space, and we thought
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Speaker 3: about the importance of creating again one space where all
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Speaker 3: of these students would not be silent and they could
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Speaker 3: celebrate the joy in their culture and their opinions and
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Speaker 3: interview people. And so the OC Chronicle on sub staff
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Speaker 3: and we have over forty different students contributing, sharing their stories,
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Speaker 3: interviewing big cultural leaders, and then we have like shopping
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Speaker 3: lists and Jewish founded products, and then you have like
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Speaker 3: Samantha Ronson's like summer playlist and you know, Jessica Seinfeld's cookies.
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Speaker 3: It's just like it's great to sort of see community
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Speaker 3: and culture celebrated and seeing these students share their voices.
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Speaker 2: This is kid who went to the encampment every.
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Speaker 3: Day and invited someone that was protesting against him out
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Speaker 3: to coffee and would have these amazing conversations with these kids,
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Speaker 3: and they have one to one conversations and heart to
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Speaker 3: hearts about their challenges, and you know, he writes about
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Speaker 3: what that journey was and what he learned and building
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Speaker 3: those bridges with people that you know he never thought
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Speaker 3: he could agree with.
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Speaker 2: These stories are so.
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Speaker 3: Important and so being able to just like celebrate these
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Speaker 3: students and give them a platform is pretty cool.
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Speaker 1: Rapid fire a common theme in your life, never stopping.
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Speaker 1: What makes you feel most alive?
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Speaker 2: Dancing and shabot dinner fill in the blank.
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Speaker 1: The older I get, the more I realize.
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Speaker 2: How important rituals are to me.
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Speaker 1: What's your advice for somebody who's finding their voice and learning.
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Speaker 2: To use it? Just use it already?
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Speaker 1: A book that changed your life? Something you think everybody
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Speaker 1: should read?
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Speaker 2: The Way of Integrity by Martha Beck.
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Speaker 1: One thing every woman should try once.
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Speaker 3: Two things come to mind. One is travel by yourself,
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Speaker 3: and two is eyelash extensions.
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Speaker 1: Honestly, that's the breath of womanhood. There. Okay, grab a
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Speaker 1: question everything card please and pick whicheveryone speaks to you.
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Speaker 3: What's something you wish people could see about you that
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Speaker 3: they don't see at first glance.
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Speaker 1: That is my favorite card in the deck.
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Speaker 3: I would say, a lot of people when they meet
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Speaker 3: me tell me that they find me intimidating or they
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Speaker 3: feel like I'm this like harsh, tough person and this
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Speaker 3: as I said, giant labbordoodle in my own mind and
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Speaker 3: in my heart. So I feel like that is probably
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Speaker 3: the thing that's most misunderstood about me.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing that. Okay, you know what time it is.
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Speaker 1: Today's a good day. To have a good day. I'll
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Speaker 1: see you next week.