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Inside The Data, Part 2: Where Did Philadelphia Eagles Excel In 1st Half, Where Can They Improve? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to Inside the Data on Inside the Birds.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Mosher and of course we've got our data
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  Speaker 1: and analytics expert Sam Finkel, and as promised, we get
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  Speaker 1: part two of a two part series on the Eagles.
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: In part one, we did the trade deadline recap and
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: went through all the players that the Eagles brought in
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: at the trade deadline. But Sam, part two the Eagles.
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: It feels like it's been like three weeks, but they
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  Speaker 1: actually finally have a game Monday night against the Packers,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a really good opportunity for us to just
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  Speaker 1: look at the first half through an analytical ends. And
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  Speaker 1: I know that there are four themes that really stuck
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  Speaker 1: out that you want to do go through with the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles and with respect to analytics and data. So let's
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  Speaker 1: do it. Before I even bring up the charts, anything
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  Speaker 1: that was like jumped out at you while you were
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  Speaker 1: putting this together that really stood out, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I just I want to take it actually a moment
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  Speaker 2: to caveat the data for a little bit, just talk
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  Speaker 2: about it because of the point of the season where
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  Speaker 2: there are teams that have taken buys, there are teams
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  Speaker 2: that haven't taken bys know that there is that factor
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  Speaker 2: in and because we don't have the final numbers, I
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  Speaker 2: compared this year to the twenty twenty four season, twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty three season, and the twenty twenty two season, and
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  Speaker 2: I did so via relative ranking comparatively to every other team.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, and that does a pretty good job at
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  Speaker 2: capturing where they are relative to other teams. However, that
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  Speaker 2: also leaves it susceptible that if there was just a
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  Speaker 2: team there was a trend in the league that did
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  Speaker 2: so well, it could impact that way. I did not
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  Speaker 2: really see that, but I do think it's important to
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  Speaker 2: say that why relative rankings are good and why they're bad.
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  Speaker 2: They're good in this instance, when we have an incomplete
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  Speaker 2: data set, you can see where they are relative to
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  Speaker 2: other teams, and I think that's a pretty good indication.
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  Speaker 2: But at the same time, if there was just a
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  Speaker 2: really down year on defense, it would look different around
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  Speaker 2: the league. I'm trying to say, so, I just want
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  Speaker 2: to put that out there right away, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and we'll continue to hammer that home as we
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  Speaker 1: go through the charts that you put in, just to
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  Speaker 1: explain it to people who are both listening or watching
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube. All right, so why don't we go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and take a look at what you put together for
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  Speaker 1: us the themes of the twenty twenty five season so far,
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  Speaker 1: and bam, here we go. So this is the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: mid season breakdown, and we start with theme one, which
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  Speaker 1: is the Eagles passing game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, the people that are seeing this, you
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  Speaker 2: have the number and then the twenty twenty five rank
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  Speaker 2: and then a hard line just so we could talk
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  Speaker 2: about that first, and then we can see compared to
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  Speaker 2: the other seasons that I discussed. Okay, So in terms
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  Speaker 2: of pass plays, the Eagles have run two hundred and
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  Speaker 2: forty of them. That's fifty two point four percent of
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  Speaker 2: their plays have been passes. And then their pass yards
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  Speaker 2: per game is at one ninety two point eight and
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  Speaker 2: their pass yards per play is at six point four,
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  Speaker 2: where that ranks within the league. They're thirtieth in pass play,
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  Speaker 2: their thirtieth in past percentage, and their twenty fifth in
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  Speaker 2: pass yards per game and twelfth in past yards per play.
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  Speaker 2: And so that's actually pretty encouraging in the fact that
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  Speaker 2: they are thirtieth in the league in terms of volume,
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  Speaker 2: yet in terms of their relative rate, how they produce
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  Speaker 2: in it their twenty fifth and twelfth respectively.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that that is a microcosm of
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  Speaker 1: our what our eyes tell us about the Eagles offense,
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  Speaker 1: that they don't throw the ball up, but they are
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  Speaker 1: very they are shot play type of offense. So when
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts does put the ball in the air, it
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  Speaker 1: tends to be deep and it tends to connect, as
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  Speaker 1: evidence by being twelfth in yards per pass despite only
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  Speaker 1: being the you know, thank thirtieth in past percentage.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and again you saw that last year where they
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  Speaker 2: were thirty second in pass play in past percent and
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  Speaker 2: yet they were twenty ninth in pass yards per game
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  Speaker 2: and twelfth again in pass yards per play, and again
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  Speaker 2: that theme kind of continues. Interestingly, the Eagles have passed
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  Speaker 2: less and less pretty much throughout the course. I mean
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four was the extreme example, but relative to
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  Speaker 2: the other years and then their pass yards per game
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  Speaker 2: has pretty much gotten worse each season. And same with
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  Speaker 2: the pass yards play. But again that's a volume thing.
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  Speaker 2: You would probably expect the pass yards per game to
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  Speaker 2: go up, not necessarily the pass yards per play, going
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  Speaker 2: from fourth to twelfth to twelfth to twelfth in pass
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  Speaker 2: yards per play. You know, there was a regression from
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  Speaker 2: that twenty twenty two year, but being consistent at twelfth
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  Speaker 2: is not that concerning.
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  Speaker 1: So correct, If anything, that we learned that they're consistent
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  Speaker 1: with what they do and it's not like the yards disappeared.
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  Speaker 1: They just went to the running game, especially last year
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  Speaker 1: with with Sae Kwon Barkley.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and actually I think that's maybe one of the
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  Speaker 2: general themes is not to panic on this offense. And
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  Speaker 2: I know they've gotten better, but I mean these numbers
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  Speaker 2: show they've been pretty consistent, honestly, so at least in
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  Speaker 2: this particular statistic, and we'll see it more as we
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  Speaker 2: go through.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so now onto Jalen hurts the specific passing stats.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to be clear about why there's
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  Speaker 2: a discrepancy between you know, the attempts and pass plays. Again,
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  Speaker 2: it includes scrambles and sacks in the first one, It
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  Speaker 2: does not attempts in the second one. Attempts only include
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  Speaker 2: what is thrown. So you see that two fifteen attempts
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  Speaker 2: but two hundred and forty pass plays and you're like,
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  Speaker 2: what why is that that way? Well, it includes other
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  Speaker 2: plays that are where you did not actually throw the
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  Speaker 2: ball like.
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  Speaker 1: A great clarification, thank you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I just want to be clear whenever there is
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  Speaker 2: a discrepancy, why that discrepancy exists.
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  Speaker 1: And that is why there you go.
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  Speaker 2: So you look, it's one hundred and fifty one at
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  Speaker 2: two fifteen, which is a seventy point two percent completion percentage,
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  Speaker 2: sixteen seventy seven yards, seven point eight yards per attempt.
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  Speaker 2: And again that yards per attempt is going to be
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  Speaker 2: different than the pass yards per play because sacks are
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  Speaker 2: not factored in. There touchdowns, fifteen, interceptions one QBR one
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  Speaker 2: fourteen point four. And what that relatively looks like around
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  Speaker 2: the league. I mean, it's twenty third in completions, twenty
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  Speaker 2: fifth in attempts, seventh in completion percentage, twenty second in yards,
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  Speaker 2: ninth in yards per attempt, eleventh in touchdowns, second in
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  Speaker 2: interceptions only to Justin Fields, who.
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  Speaker 1: I was wondering who the only other quarterback could be
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  Speaker 1: that didn't have an interception on as many attempts.
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  Speaker 2: But justin Fields, you know, might not even have a
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  Speaker 2: job soon who knows correct And then fifth in QBR.
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  Speaker 2: So there there's that, and then how that looks relative
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  Speaker 2: to the other ones. I mean again relative to the league.
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  Speaker 2: This is the lowest completions and the lowest attempts, so
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  Speaker 2: I mean that that's kind of respective to the league
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  Speaker 2: at least, but it is his highest completion percentage, so
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  Speaker 2: I mean those kind of do go hand in hand
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  Speaker 2: to some extent. You know, it's the worst in terms
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  Speaker 2: of yards relatives to the rest of the league passing yards.
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  Speaker 2: It is the third best in yards per attempt of
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  Speaker 2: those seasons, the best being that twenty twenty two season.
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  Speaker 2: It is the best in terms of touchdowns. It is
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  Speaker 2: the best in terms of interceptions, again, best being that
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  Speaker 2: he's throwing the least, and it is the second best
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  Speaker 2: in QBR, So I mean, yeah, and again when you
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  Speaker 2: see that as the people that are looking the asterisks,
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  Speaker 2: that means there were thirty three qualified passers. You see
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  Speaker 2: the carrot is thirty five qualified passers just in that
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  Speaker 2: league in that league year. And then if you don't
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  Speaker 2: see it, it's it's thirty two.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Jalen hurts just watching him, as has
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  Speaker 1: made more throws this year, more difficult throws than he
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  Speaker 1: has in the past. And he's been he's always been
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  Speaker 1: an accurate quarterback, but he's starting to use a little
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  Speaker 1: more of the field. Not in every game. There are
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  Speaker 1: certainly games where we went through the spray charts and
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  Speaker 1: it showed that it was your typical you know, Jalen
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  Speaker 1: Hurts throw outside the numbers game. But there have been
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  Speaker 1: a couple of specifically against Minnesota and New York the
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  Speaker 1: last two where you did see him make the kind
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  Speaker 1: of throws that sometimes he did not want to make.
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  Speaker 2: Well. Actually, this is fascinating. This is one thing I
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  Speaker 2: found in the research is Jalen Hurts if you look
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  Speaker 2: at that twenty twenty three year where he was thirtieth interceptions. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I want you to pay really close attention to where
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  Speaker 2: he is in sacks in that year versus every other
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  Speaker 2: year in the next chart.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, and that would be twenty twenty three. Yes, Hey,
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• 10:00
  Speaker 1: so these are now the offensive basic pressure stats, meaning
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  Speaker 1: the offense seeing pressure from the defense.
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  Speaker 2: And then let's just point this out right now because
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  Speaker 2: we're already here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you already brought it up.
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  Speaker 2: The best year that they had by far in Sacks
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  Speaker 2: was eleventh. But when you go up, he had thirty.
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  Speaker 2: He was thirtieth in interceptions, meaning he threw the thirtieth most interception.
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  Speaker 2: I guess he threw he really that was the thirty two.
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  Speaker 2: So he was this, you know, that's not good. And
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  Speaker 2: so what that tells me is these sacks that Jalen
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  Speaker 2: Hurts is taking is the result of not throwing turning
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  Speaker 2: the ball over. He really learned that I can just
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  Speaker 2: take a sack here. I don't have to force the ball.
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  Speaker 1: I admitt it. No one would ever teach or coach that,
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  Speaker 1: because it's really hard to hold on to the ball
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  Speaker 1: the more you get sacked. But he does have a
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  Speaker 1: rare trait or ability to do that, I would agree.
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  Speaker 2: I just never saw it so jarring. I mean, we've
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  Speaker 2: talked about it, but it's so jarring that they went
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  Speaker 2: from you know, third to thirtieth in interceptions and the
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  Speaker 2: thirtieth to fourth to second. Right, But then you look
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  Speaker 2: at the sack numbers that we have right in front
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  Speaker 2: of us, and you know, there were eleventh in sacks
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  Speaker 2: and now they're twentieth and twenty fifth. So he's taken
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  Speaker 2: more sacks, but he's not throwing interceptions, and I think
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  Speaker 2: you ultimately would take the negative plays over, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the turnover plays.
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  Speaker 1: Sure. Sure.
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  Speaker 2: I just thought that was so interesting when I was
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  Speaker 2: going through this, and it makes sense and you do
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  Speaker 2: see it, I mean, but really see it.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what that's really what makes him so unique
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  Speaker 1: and the offense so unique because you like, again, no
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  Speaker 1: coach would ever coach that, right. Nobody would ever say
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  Speaker 1: we want to have this many sacks. And I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying that they do want it, but they would probably
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  Speaker 1: tell you, if you're getting sacked at the higher rate,
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  Speaker 1: then you're going to turn the ball over at the
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  Speaker 1: higher rate, whereas the Eagles has been the opposite. He
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  Speaker 1: had the most turnovers on his lowest sack rate. So again,
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  Speaker 1: that that's what makes them very unique.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just thought that was worth mentioning. Now,
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  Speaker 2: let's get into the actual pressure statistics. One hundred and
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  Speaker 2: two pressures thirty eight point nine percent of the time,
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  Speaker 2: twenty five sacks ten point four five percent of the time,
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  Speaker 2: time to throw three point h one, time to pressure
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  Speaker 2: two point eight four And how that looks across the league.
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  Speaker 2: Sixteenth in pressure but twenty seventh in pressure rate. Why
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  Speaker 2: that's different is because the Eagles are running less plays
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  Speaker 2: than other teams, but it's a higher percentage that they
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  Speaker 2: are being pressured. You look at sacks, it's twenty fifth,
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  Speaker 2: but the percentage is twenty eighth, which means that kind
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  Speaker 2: of the opposite there, even though they're getting sacked. I
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  Speaker 2: mean again, it's it's not really doub they are having
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  Speaker 2: a lower volume. So it's that's really why that number
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  Speaker 2: is different. Teams that have more you know, pass plays
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  Speaker 2: and get you know, higher sacks or I guess less.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a percentage team at that point. But that's
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  Speaker 2: second in time to throw and fourth in time to pressure,
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  Speaker 2: and that time to throw is a Jalen hurtstat. Time
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  Speaker 2: to pressure is the offensive line stat. You typically the
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  Speaker 2: better time to pressure means that your offensive line is
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  Speaker 2: holding up really well, and I think that's what we've
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  Speaker 2: seen it, particularly in past protection they've done a good job.
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  Speaker 2: Time to throw just is just, on average, how long
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  Speaker 2: does the quarterback hold onto the ball. And that's where
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  Speaker 2: we I created that net time before pressure stat which
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  Speaker 2: just appracts the two because it says how long does
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback hold the ball while still being pressured Like
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  Speaker 2: typically for a pocket passer, you want that number to
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  Speaker 2: not be negative. With an extender like Mahomes or even
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  Speaker 2: Jalen to this extent, you're okay with a negative number.
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  Speaker 2: I think anything over negative zero point two toy five
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  Speaker 2: is a problem. But you know, we'll get into that
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  Speaker 2: in a minute. But if you look at where that's
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  Speaker 2: been the rest of the league, every you know, everything's
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  Speaker 2: kind of consistent with color wise, like where they fall
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  Speaker 2: within the league. Basically, pressure went from twenty twenty two
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  Speaker 2: to twenty twenty five, twelfth, twenty second, tenth, sixteenth, but
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  Speaker 2: percentage pretty similar. Sacks went from twentieth eleventh to twentieth
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  Speaker 2: twenty fifth, and then that time to time to throw
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  Speaker 2: was pretty much consistently around the second and third in
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  Speaker 2: the league, except for twenty twenty two, which was eighteenth,
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  Speaker 2: which means that all that means is that Jalen hurts
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  Speaker 2: relative to the rest of the league. Was getting the
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  Speaker 2: ball out, you know at a league at like the
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  Speaker 2: middle of the league a little bit faster, but now
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  Speaker 2: he holds onto the ball longer. But the offensive line's
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  Speaker 2: been pretty consistent in the top ten, top seven as far.
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  Speaker 1: As time to pressure right right, which sort of makes
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  Speaker 1: the pressure rate thing kind of screwy, but it's I
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  Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, all right, well go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: That's interesting because the time to pressure, because he's holding
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  Speaker 2: the ball longer than the time to pressure. That's why
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  Speaker 2: the pressure rate is that way.
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  Speaker 1: That that makes no.
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  Speaker 2: If there if they had Tanner McKee in which, again
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  Speaker 2: not trying to start controversy, Jalen Hurts is a great quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: I want to make that explicit. But if you had
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  Speaker 2: a pocket passer, you'd want that number to be before
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  Speaker 2: that two point eighty four, That right, and then the
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  Speaker 2: pressure rate wouldn't be what it was.
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  Speaker 1: Makes sense? All right, Let's move on to some of
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  Speaker 1: the advanced passing stats. Finish off part one here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, one of Jalen hurts the signature stats is plus
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  Speaker 2: is the CPOE, which is at plus seven point six percent,
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  Speaker 2: which he led the league in in twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 2: right third this year. And there were two guys ahead
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  Speaker 2: of him, and I remember one. I'm not remembering the other.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, I remember both. You want to.
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  Speaker 1: Guess uh completion percentage over expectation? And how about Baker Mayfield,
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  Speaker 1: not Baker Mayfield, how about.
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  Speaker 2: Drake may yep? It was he won or two Drake
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  Speaker 2: may I think is one and.
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  Speaker 1: I'll say to Mahmes, I just tell you sure it's
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  Speaker 1: Sam Darnel. Oh of course it's yes, that makes a
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  Speaker 1: lot of sense. Actually, yeah, he has been on a
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  Speaker 1: heater with not you know man and they just added
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  Speaker 1: rashidja heat. That's that was really good. The Seahawks could
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  Speaker 1: be really good. They really could be good.
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  Speaker 2: They could be trouble for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they could be trouble for anybody. But but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, Hurts is always annually on among the high end,
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  Speaker 1: if not leading the league and cpo E.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just take a second to talk about that.
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  Speaker 2: What that actually means. Yeah, basically, they have an algorithm
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  Speaker 2: that says, like, what is the expected UH completion percentage? Right,
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  Speaker 2: and then how do you perform relative to what is
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  Speaker 2: expected of you? From that? You know that formula, right,
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  Speaker 2: and so you just take your completion percentage and subtract
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  Speaker 2: it from the expectation. If your completion percentage higher than
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  Speaker 2: what's expected of you, then your completion percentage is over
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  Speaker 2: expectation and you have a positive number. It means you're
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  Speaker 2: making throws that you're not necessarily expected to make. And
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  Speaker 2: that speaks to you as a quarterback and your placement
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  Speaker 2: and your decision making, but it also speaks to your receivers.
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  Speaker 2: Can they make contested catches that are not expected to
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  Speaker 2: be caught? And the Eagles receivers do it better than
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  Speaker 2: pretty much anybody else.
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  Speaker 1: In the league. So I see this number as a
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: hybrid of Jalen Hurts' ability to make the to routinely
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: make the low percentage throw way down the field outside
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: the numbers, you know, it's Aj Brown to DeVante Smith.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: And then a combination of that and what we've seen
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: lately from DeVante especially just going up and get them
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: getting the ball contested catches.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Absolutely couldn't set it better myself. And then their EPA
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: per drop back is different than their passing EPA because
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: EPA per drop back includes quarterback scrambles, right, So that's
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: why the number is plus zero points zero five when
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: the passing EPA is plus zero point zero one. So
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: what that means is Hurts is really adding value as
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: a scrambler this year. And then that average separation three
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: point five, which is actually the best average separation they've
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: had under this offense.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's really interesting.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: I was a little bit surprised by that one, but
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: pretty cool.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I mean far and away. I mean, you have twenty third,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: twenty ninth, twenty fifth in the league, and now they're
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: twelfth in the league. That's because we did do an
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: episode on AJ Brown where his separation was down a
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: little bit. So I guess everybody else is, you know,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: maybe with Dallas. Goddard's had some big games, absolutely had
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: some big games as well.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: And that that absolutely factors in. Just just to give
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: an idea of what where they were last year, just
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: for example and why again, relative stats are important. The
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Eagles were last year at three point three and so
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: this the difference between three point three to three point five,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: that point two difference was twenty fifth to twelve. So
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I just you to paint that out that that's kind
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: of how that works. But yeah, I mean, listen, everything
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: looks pretty good here. The EPA per dropback and passing
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: EPA kind of lower than where it's been in the
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: past couple of years for whatever we and again we've
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: talked about, you know, sequencing and putting themselves in bad positions. Yeah,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: so I think that's good. It's on it's trending upwards
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: and and should kind of fix itself regress to the
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: mean as the season progresses.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: All right, let's go on to the rushing offense theme
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: number two here. Yes, I think we're I think everybody's
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: prepared for like a major aggression in twenty twenty five
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: stats compared to the last years.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing, like, if you look at
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: the basic statistics, it is worse, yep. And then you
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: look at the advanced statistics and honestly, it's not as
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: bad as you think. But let's let's talk about the
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: basic statistics first. Okay, They've run two hundred eighteen plays,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: which is forty seven point six percent of their plays
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: as running. They average one hundred and eleven point six
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: rushing yards per game, four point one rush yards per play,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: and nine touchdowns. That's eighteenth, third, nineteenth, twentieth, and tenth,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: respectively for each statistic. And those are the run plays.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Is the is the worst it's been since twenty twenty two.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: The run percentage is actually not, it's it's only less
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: than relative to the league, only less than the twenty
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: twenty four year. Their rush yards per game is the
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: lowest relative to the league. Their rush yards per play
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: is the lowest relative to everyone else in the league. Yeah,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: same with the touchdowns. So there are struggling based on
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: the basics distics. But when you look at these advanced metrics,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: I mean the EPA per rush is the expected points
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: added per rush is plus zero point zero six, which
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: is fifth in the league. And honestly, it's not that
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: far from where they've been. I mean they were third
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: last year, fourth the year before and first year before that.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: And then you look at the rushing yards over expectation,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: which is the same as the completion yard completion percentage
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: over expectation. Again, there's a formula that says how much
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: you're expected to get. What is your number subtracted from
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: what that number is, and anything positive means you were
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: rushing more than expected second this year. They were second
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: last year, where they had an incredible defense, I mean
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: incredible rushing attack. Now, now here's where we get interesting.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Their success percentage and forty three point one is thirteenth
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: in the league. Last year they were only eleven. So
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: the success of percentage is actually not an issue. What
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: is an issue is the stuff percentage. They're getting stuffed
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: at a significantly higher clip than they have been in
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: the past four years of this offense.
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  Speaker 1: one and up. That's crazy. So what the stats say
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: is the data says here is when the Eagles when
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Sigmond Barkley in particular, isn't getting hit immediately behind the
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: line of scrimmage by three guys, then his his carriers
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: have been decent, maybe not as explosive as years past,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: but good enough to have a positive success rate consistent
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: with what they were last year. But he's just getting
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: hit so many times behind the line of scrimmage that
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: it is, or getting stuffed at the line of scrimmage
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage, that it's really influencing where the
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: other data is.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Sure, Now, if we took Jalen Hurts scrambles out of here,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: because they do count as EPA per rush, right, these
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: numbers probably would be significantly worse. Yeah, I do think
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Hurts is carrying a lot of this excess value and
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: bringing it closer to what it's been.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: But to be honest with you, that stuff percentage is
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: just it's a problem. The run blocking has has been
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: a problem. It just has been this year.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my god, I'm actually surprised they were even
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: seventeenth last year in stuff percentage. I guess that's the
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: whole home run feast of famine. Nature of the way
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Saquon operates is that even last year, compared to the league,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: he was middle of the pack as far as getting stuffed.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: But obviously when he was not stuffed, he was making
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: magic happen.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and when he did have a successful run, it
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: was a home run yeesh, which we haven't seen that
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: many of this year.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Notably in the last game, there.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Was one correct which I did.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I did tweet before the game that I thought it
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: would be Saquon's bounce back game.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: You know, I said that, I said he was my
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: player of the game. But I can't like take because
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I felt like each of the four weeks I was like,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: this is gonna be the Saquon game, this is gonna
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: be So it finally happened for me, but I don't
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: feel like it made me look that much better.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, Like, I I felt pretty confidently
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: that it just it was if it was going to happen,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: it was happening in that game for just a bunch
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: of reasons. Then I was looking through the data and
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I was like, I actually probably could have made a
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: really good case for this because the Giants do have
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: a really strong defensive line. Yeah, they're really good at
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: pass defense. You look at their rush defense, They're not
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: really that good, correct, So, I mean I could have
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I think I said in the tweet it was just
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: the vibes.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Pick.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: If I had more time to look into it, I
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: would have said, no, no, this is not just vibes.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: This is you. Yeah, you know I love the numbers.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Hump yourself up a little more there. All right, let's
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: look at Eagles pass defense theme number three, the kind
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: of all over the map with some of this here.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely is. So, I mean, because that twenty
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: twenty three season was horrendous, particularly and the backside, particularly
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: on defense of the season. I mean, yes, two and
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: eighty four pass plays, fifty six point seven their pass
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: yards per game. Again we talked about in the last
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: part of this series with the trade two hundred and
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: fifteen point nine pass yards for play, six point one
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: pass touchdowns. Eight.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: You look at these numbers. Where they are. You know,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: they're twenty second in pass plays faced, eighteenth in past percentage,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: seventeenth in passyards per game allowed, fourteenth in pass yards
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: per play, and second in past touchdowns.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Does that means they've allowed the second most or second
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: fewest passing touchdowns.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: So anytime it's framed in this context, it would be
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: the better. So they allowed the second the fewest.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I figured, I just wanted to clarify.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's an important clarification. Anytime that it's you know, defense,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I'm going to put it in that context, so it
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: would be what's what's best, what's you know?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: That's why I also hate the volume statistics, because how
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: do you determine what's best. It's just the most sure
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: for volume statistics, at least like pass plays in past percentage,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: but the rest will be framed as in like the best.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Right, And that's why those those stats on yards playing
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: yards per game are probably the most glaring because they
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: went from being number one overall last year and both
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: to now middle of the pack, which shows the drop off.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that drop off honestly is mostly
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: due to pressure or the inability to convert pressure into sacks,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: because they are still getting We'll talk about pressure in
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: a second, but they basically they haven't been able to
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: get as many sacks as they did in the past,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: and it's showing, you know, you can blame it a
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: little bit on that outside corner position. Opposite of Quinnjon Mitchell.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: And that's true. But you know, sacks fix everything they do,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: so and they just haven't been getting them.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: So right, Wow, everybody remembers that twenty twenty three defense,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: you know, last in yards per game allowed, sixteenth in
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: yards for player, which means they were just getting they
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: were getting killed death by a thousand cuts type of losing.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: People were just bing bang, bing in them all all
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: over the field in that second half. Yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: And then that's why you get an adult like Vic
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Fango in the room and you know, you went from
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: thirty first and fast yards per game to first that's.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Amazing, what a turnaround, so crazy, and now you're seventeenth,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: so it's, uh, you know, there's some work to be done.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that they're working for sure.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. All right. So you you
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: mentioned we'll get into defensive pressure stats.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so one hundred and five pressure, which is thirty
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: four point four percent of that you know plays right,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: sack sixteen sack percent five point.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Two that's the bigger number, the percentage, So that's yeah,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: five point two percentage.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you look at the edge and I'm
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: trying to remember how many actually contributed to. So there's
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: two four, there's been five sacks off the edge of
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: that sixteen. Huh, So that's not good, really not good,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: not at all because you typically get sacks from the edge,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: not from the interior. So just want to be super
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: clear on that. And then time to throw again is
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: a quarterback stat. It's kind of independent of the offensive
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: line to some extent. I mean it's not because everything
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: is tied together, but it's more of a quarterback stat,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: while time to pressure is more of an offensive line stat,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: and in this case a defensive line stat. So on average,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: you know the quarterbacks against them are throwing at two
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: point eight five and they are pressuring in two point
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: five to eight. But just because your pressure doesn't mean
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: you're getting a sack. And as we talked about, and
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: their get off is zero point eighty seven on average.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: And again, if you're facing a pocket passer, you want
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: time to throw to be greater than time to pressure.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: It just means that you know they're holding onto the
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: ball while still being pressure and you want that. However,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: when you're facing extenders such as Patrick Mahome, you know
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: they purposefully will increase that time to throw even if
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: they're being pressured or you know, if there's some semblance
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: of pressure. So it depends on what quarterback you play,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: really it does. It's such a dependent stat So, yeah,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: there's that anything on these numbers relative that are interesting.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: The time to throw is twenty sixth and it was third,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: second and fifth before. You know, quarterbacks are holding the
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: ball a lot longer.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and then obviously you know this team is
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: built on its front four. I mean, I know Quinyon
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: is great, and obviously Cooper de Jean's very good, and
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: they have their best secondary meeting last year. This year,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: you know, they have their best collection of secondary talent
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: in quite some time. But when you go from fourteenth
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: last year in sack percentage to twenty fourth and at
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: one point you were number one many years ago when
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: they set that record, it just shows you where they've
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: where they've where they are at with their with their
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: front floor rush. It's just it has it's it's lacked
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: a little bit without Josh Sweat and Milton Williams and
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: you know in the past it was Hassan Radi I
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: had they had some some true killers and they're still
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: waiting to see that.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the Phillips trade will fix some
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: of it, not all of it, some of it it
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: should help significantly. And then interestingly, the get off has
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: been slower.
• 31:27
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• 31:30
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's see past defense advanced stats.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah two, they're passing EPA negative zero point zero nine,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: which is tenth in the league. They were leading the
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: statistic for a long time, I think until Week four,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: leading the statistic to.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: That second half of the Broncos game.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: It was either the Broncos or the Buccaneers. I don't
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: remember which one it was, but but would make sense that.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: They were back to back. So yeah, it would make sense,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: you know what.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I think they were leading it in the Buccaneers and
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: then they lost it in the and that after It
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: makes sense either way. Their separation. They're allowing the least
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: separation in the league right now.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Interesting, really interesting.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially with the issues at that second cornerback position.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: But that's why I really think it's the pressure that's
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: the issue, right, And and that's why you could put
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Dry or Alexander out there, uh, and you're not go
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have the same problems until you fix the pressure.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I think the Phillips trade, I mean not just because
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: he's the bigger player, but he has a chance to
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: be more impactful because, like I said, pressure and sacks
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: fix everything, you know, it really does. So you make
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: your secondary look a lot better if you can get
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: to the quarterback.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Average separation is per target.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Right, that's what then you're right, it is per target.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I also think that there's it's a little it's weird
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: because the last two games, which you know, two of
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: eight is a quarter of the season. For whatever reason,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Jackson Dart and Carson Wentz had a real either a
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: blind spot or they just did not go after the corner,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: the second cornerback spot the way and we you guys
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: did earlier in the week. And so I wonder, I
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: think that this could be skewed a little bit, you know.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: When you're sure, yeah, for sure, I mean it's certainly.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yeah, that that's a really good point.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Thank you for bringing that up.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Sure, Eagles rush defense will finish it out here. What
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: we've seen from the first eight weeks of the year
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: compared to some years past here kind of interesting the
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: way they're They're middle of the pack, and you expect
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: this team to be a little bit better and more
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: stout upfront.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, last year kind of feels like
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: the gold standard. Yeah, in terms of a lot of things.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard not to be when you win
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, uh, just to even just think that way.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: But I mean the numbers really do support that. Last
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: year's team was just pretty good all around in all
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: these areas. I mean truly, even in the the advanced
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: statistics support it too. So you'll see.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they've gone from ten last year and
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: rushing year. These are the stats that really to be mad, right,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: the rush yards per game they went from tenth last
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: year to nineteenth this year, and then rush yards for
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: play ninth last year to nineteenth this year. They've just
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: it's and again they're not like bottom five, but they're
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: just a little looser in an area that's always been
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: very big for them. To get into those pass rush situations,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: you've got to be able to stop the run and
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: put them in unfavorable down in distant situations, which they
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the Eagles have not done as much this year.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I mean we talked about it on the third down analysis, right,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I mean they're facing easier third downs than the Eagles are.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Their opponents are facing easier third downs, and we do
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: that by having a successful run game or successful run
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: defense in that regard.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Sure, sure so, certainly something that also might get because
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: again they were light on the edges, not just in
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: numbers but in actual bulk. And Joe Phillips is a
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: bigger guy, so maybe he can have an impact there
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: as well. Just in the run defense.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Yep, and you know that stuff percentage again keeps coming up.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I mean they're thirty first in stuff percentage. They got
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: stuff to run more. They got it. They gotta stuff
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: to run more.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: So wow, they are what. They are getting stuffed on
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: offense at a high rate and not stuffing the when
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: they're on defense the opposing ballcarriers at a high rate. Yeah.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: And the Eagles pride themselves on the trenches right and
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: in pass protection that the offensive line has been doing well,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: and run blocking they have not, and then in run
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: stopping they've not.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, these are mature hikes from last year. I mean
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: epa per rush from fifth to nineteenth and then rushing
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: yards over expectation from seventh to eighteenth. That's that's big.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. They they are missing Milton Williams
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: and Josh Wett.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, Greg Kosso made a really good point
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: and thanks for that. That was really great data compilation.
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  Speaker 1: He Milton Williams. Not only did they miss him as
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: a pass rusher, but he was a very big physical
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: presence next to Jalen Carter on that line. Joemo is
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: a good pass rusher, but he's built differently. He's long armed,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: he's he's quick to the quarterback. He may have more
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: natural pass rushing skills than Milton Williams did, but he
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: is not the point of attack type of player that
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Milton Williams really emerged to over the last few years.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think that's a really good point. I'm glad
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Greg brought that up because it makes a lot of sense,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: and you see it in both the numbers and on
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: the film.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and that makes why it Also, I
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: think earlier in the year, not as much lately Lot
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: to City coming out, but Jordan Davis was playing more
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: in the nickel next to Carter in certain down and
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: distances because I think they wanted to have a little
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: bit more beef against the run, like on those third
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: and mediums and things like that. You know, absolutely, I'm
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: stronger on at the point of attack, So therefore he
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: had I think Jordan's had three sacks this year already. Yeah,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I know how many of them came in nickel, but
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I know he was playing in the four man front
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: more this year than last year. Now it's he was,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: it's at the start of the year. It seems like
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: it went back to being more joemo as the year
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: was going on. See what that's like coming out of
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: the buy. Absolutely well, great stuff, Sam, thank you. That
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: was a good synopsis of the first half. I think
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: we have a really good idea of where the Eagle
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: has been very efficient and where they've been deficient, and
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: what they need to work on as they come out
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: of the buy and face the Packers.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: What's your biggest takeaway from the numbers.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I was surprised by the rushing defense stats, honestly, and
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: because I think that while rush defense isn't as big
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: as say sacks or pass coverage, I think it goes
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: back to what we said about you need to get
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the offense, the opposing offense in less favorable down in distances,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: so there's a trickle down impact. If you're better against
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: the run and your offenses that you're facing are seeing
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: more second and nine, third and seven, that will help
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: your pass rushing coverage because it puts them in an
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: ability and a position where they can tee off a
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: little bit easier, and it gives VIC a little bit
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: more of a selection of what he can do on
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: third down. But if you're allowing you know, four to
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: five yards on that first down, and you've got a
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: lot of second mediums for the offense, that sets up
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: them to be able to do play action to run
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: to pay. I mean, it gives them a lot more
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: options offensively.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: And I'm continuing to track those third down statistics for
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: sequencing should they become relevant again. Hopefully it'll normalize a
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: little bit aggrest to the mean and you'll see something more,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: you know, like what we did in twenty twenty four.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so defense definitely getting stopping the run. But on
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: offense also, their third down percent has been lousy this year.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: They really have to stop being just a shot play
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: offense and really start to get a little bit more
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: run rhythm with their run game and their intermediate pass game.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: And again you saw that in the Giants game, the
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Week eight Giants game. Whether they carry that over or not,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, you hope they do. You know, the Giants
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: are a bad run defense team, right, so you don't know,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: you can't take that as the gospel for sure. You
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: got to see how they do against better rush defensive teams,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: which I believe the Packers are a better run defense team. Yes,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: not hard to be better than No.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say the bar isn't very high, but yeah,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: the Packers are, and they seem to play better when
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: they are at lambeau Field as well. It all begins
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: again Monday night, Monday Night Football Eagles Packers, and then
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: after that next week we'll be able to summarize it
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: all on Inside the Data. So Sam, thank you so much.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: It's been a great two part series. We put a
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: lot of hard work in some excellent charts. I'm sure
• 41:28
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• 41:30
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• 41:33
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• 41:36
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