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A 9/11 Scandal We Forgot · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Wait, true insurance direct. I'm a chest have both the adults.
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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm your host,
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Speaker 2: Adam Todd Brown joining me a special guest co host
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Speaker 2: this week, Eric Barnes. Eric, how's it going.
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Speaker 1: It goes pretty well in spite of the content we're
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Speaker 1: going to be talking about.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I forgot what we're talking about today. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's a nine to eleven joke, everybody, because you know.
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Speaker 1: We should never forget.
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Speaker 2: Eric, you've been on this podcast before, right, I don't
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Speaker 2: think I've been a conspiracy think I have been? Well,
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Speaker 2: now you are. Congratulations.
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Speaker 1: There was once a conspiracy against me being on Conspiracy
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Speaker 1: the Show.
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Speaker 2: And effective one too up to this point. It worked
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Speaker 2: until now. Yeah, but yeah, now it's been debunked. Congratulations
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Speaker 2: than you. We are are fast approaching the twentieth anniversary
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Speaker 2: of nine to eleven, which I have no doubt is
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Speaker 2: going to be like the Toyota Thon for conspiracy podcasts.
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Speaker 2: So we're trying to get in on the action early.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about a documentary called A Good American and
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Speaker 2: we'll get more into that a little bit later, but
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Speaker 2: let's talk about our nine to eleven memories you got
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Speaker 2: any Do you remember it? Because I think I've mentioned
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Speaker 2: on the podcast before. I was I'm old, So I
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Speaker 2: was at work and I just like, that's my story.
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Speaker 2: I saw it happen in the breakroom basically like on
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Speaker 2: a TV or they were acting it out for us
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Speaker 2: in the breakroom.
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Speaker 1: That's a dumb question that I had, but you know,
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Speaker 1: you never know. For me, I was in college at
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Speaker 1: the time because I am a fellow old and it
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Speaker 1: was actually my first year of college, and I was
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Speaker 1: in my dorm room playing NBA Street on my PlayStation
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Speaker 1: two nice and across the hallway someone from the dorm
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Speaker 1: just knocking on the doors, like, dude, check out the TV,
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Speaker 1: just any channel. I'm like, all right, And then that's
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Speaker 1: when I saw the first tower smoking, and at the time,
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Speaker 1: I was like, some fucking dumb ass pilot just as
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Speaker 1: an idiot and just crashed into it because they weren't
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Speaker 1: sure what happening. And that's when I saw the second
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Speaker 1: tower got hit, and I'm like, oh, oh, oh.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I assumed we were at warring like when it
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Speaker 2: all started happening, it felt that way. Granted, it took
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Speaker 2: us a little while to pick out which country we
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Speaker 2: wanted to invade, so we didn't go to war right away.
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Speaker 2: We had, yeah, come up with some false pretenses. First.
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Speaker 1: It was very weird because I was in Ohio at
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Speaker 1: the time, so that is weird. We were, yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: we weren't directly affected by it, like we were just
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Speaker 1: absorbing the shock that everyone else was experiencing, and it
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Speaker 1: was like, well, we're just going to continue our day.
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Speaker 1: But the campus provided televisions outside at major like crosswalks,
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Speaker 1: because it was because it was a university where you
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Speaker 1: can walk from building to building right with news updates
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Speaker 1: and all that. And some of the classes were like, uh, fuck,
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Speaker 1: the lesson planned, let's talk about this weird thing that
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Speaker 1: just happened, because we you know, at the time, it
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Speaker 1: was very surreal, incredibly and it still is to an extent.
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Speaker 2: I remember when just regular TV finally came back, that
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Speaker 2: took like two weeks at least, like it was just
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Speaker 2: nine to eleven coverage four weeks. I remember Sting had
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Speaker 2: a concert planned for that night and he said he
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Speaker 2: was not going to cancel it, and everyone was kind
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Speaker 2: of salty about that, and then he comes out and
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Speaker 2: he just played one really sad song and was like
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Speaker 2: thank you good night, which felt appropriate. Yeah, it was strange,
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Speaker 2: it was weird. Man, fucking nine to eleven? Am I right?
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Speaker 1: I mean shit, you know God.
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Speaker 2: But with the Anniverse coming up, I figured we should
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Speaker 2: delve back into some nine eleven related conspiracies. And the
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Speaker 2: way we're doing that this week, because I'm still in
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Speaker 2: the midst of a move and don't have a ton
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Speaker 2: of research time, we're talking about the documentary A Good American?
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Speaker 2: Had you ever seen this before?
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Speaker 1: Not prior to the recording of this podcast.
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Speaker 2: I didn't realize until I started watching it again that
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Speaker 2: I had seen it before, which speaks to I think
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Speaker 2: the quality of the documentary, which isn't amazing, it's very
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Speaker 2: interesting information. Yeah, I do have some quibbles with the
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Speaker 2: documentary itself, called A Good American, came out in twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 2: It's an Austrian documentary, which that's going to raise flags
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Speaker 2: on either side. If you're on the right, you're like, well,
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Speaker 2: why wouldn't an American company put it out? And if
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Speaker 2: you're on the left, you're like, I bet the government
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Speaker 2: pressured American companies not to put this out, And you're
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Speaker 2: probably both right to some degree. Yeah, I mean we're
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Speaker 2: talking nine to eleven. No one's right about nine to
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Speaker 2: eleven except people who say Saudi Arabia was more involved
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Speaker 2: than the government says. I wonder where that's at. By
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Speaker 2: the time this episode, you think they're going to drop that,
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Speaker 2: You think that mixtape's going to hit the streets before
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Speaker 2: nine to eleven.
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Speaker 1: I think something's going to happen just before or on
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Speaker 1: nine to eleven. I mean it whoo's to say, being
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Speaker 1: that it's the twenty year anniversary of it, and given
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Speaker 1: the state of everything that's going on, something's going to drop.
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Speaker 1: It's almost guaranteed.
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Speaker 2: There is among the Trump will be reinstated to office.
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Speaker 2: Conspiracy theory types. They're new date because they're a death cult,
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Speaker 2: so you have to keep keep updating the day when
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Speaker 2: the crazy thing is going to happen. It was supposed
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Speaker 2: to be August thirteenth, that's past, so now it's September eighteenth.
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Speaker 2: They're having a big rally outside the capital. So that's
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Speaker 2: going to be one week after nine to eleven.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because they need to celebrate nine to eleven
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Speaker 1: with you know, you've had your nine to eleven parties
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Speaker 1: in which you have hot shots, you know, Cookouts, Yeah, cookouts,
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Speaker 1: the special nine and eleven layered cakes, onion ring towers,
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Speaker 1: onion ring towers. Yeah, but you know, here comes the airplane.
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Speaker 2: I mean it would be kind of fun.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean in a very dark humor sense. Yes, definitely, yes.
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Speaker 1: And plus cookouts are fun without a reason.
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Speaker 2: They don't even need a theme, They're just always fun.
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Speaker 1: The theme could be just we're hungry and we like people.
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Speaker 2: I do wonder if that Saudi Arabia information that the
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Speaker 2: families are suing to have released, because some of it
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Speaker 2: got released a few years ago, and even the stuff
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Speaker 2: that got released a few years ago is pretty damning,
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Speaker 2: Like there's parts about Saudi intelligence agents meeting with nine
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Speaker 2: to eleven hijackers when they moved to California, like helping
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Speaker 2: them set up apartments and shit, and there's still lots
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Speaker 2: of that that's redacted. And that's what these families are
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Speaker 2: suing for, and between what's happening in Afghanistan and how
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Speaker 2: much of a catastrophe that is if it also comes
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Speaker 2: out that, oh, yeah, the government knew it was Saudi Arabia,
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Speaker 2: they just protected them because they're an ally man. I
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Speaker 2: feel like this country's gonna fucking explode.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's already a lot of land minds for
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Speaker 1: this country to explode, that this is just going to
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Speaker 1: be another one. But God, I wish this were funny,
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Speaker 1: but it's not. It It just isn't.
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Speaker 2: Nine eleven really is not all that funny.
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Speaker 1: No, it's not. And and the thing is is that
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Speaker 1: it is a specter that we have this hold. Never forget, mancha.
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Speaker 1: But it's more like we can't forget in so many ways.
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Speaker 1: It's unfeasible to forget because you have on one end,
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Speaker 1: you know, high patriotism that holds a grudge. But the
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Speaker 1: problem is we're not we're not sure who to hold
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Speaker 1: the grudge against. And now we're about to find out
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Speaker 1: that it seems to be likely that the people that
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Speaker 1: we should be holding a grudge against are our own people.
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Speaker 1: And that's what is horrifying about this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the ramifications of nine to eleven just expands so
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Speaker 2: far beyond what happened that day. Like we're still in
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Speaker 2: the thick of that, and I don't know if we're
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Speaker 2: going to get out anytime soon. Like the war in
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Speaker 2: Afghanistan's just ending. It's been twenty years. Yes, it's such
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Speaker 2: a long time.
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Speaker 1: That's the thing. The war itself is just ending, but
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Speaker 1: the situation itself has not, because who's to say what's
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Speaker 1: going to happen, you know, once Afghanistan becomes fully established
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Speaker 1: or the Taliban, Like, what happens next is the big question?
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Speaker 2: Is Talibanistan? Yes, that's what where I think the name
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Speaker 2: would become.
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Speaker 1: There's just so many questions and I hate to use
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Speaker 1: a phrase from Donald Rumsfeld may rotten hell, but there's
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Speaker 1: so many men, unknown unknowns and known unknowns about this
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Speaker 1: that it's just yeah, we're we're gonna have another gasoline
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Speaker 1: induced garbage bomb fire somehow, and I just want to
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Speaker 1: be sure that we're we're kind of in the clear.
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Speaker 1: The right people and the good people are in the
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Speaker 1: clear and on away from it, so we can hopefully
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Speaker 1: it'll just be a flashbang and then we can clean
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Speaker 1: up afterward, as opposed to a roaring, just forest fire
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Speaker 1: of democracy or lack thereof.
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Speaker 2: That all remains to be seen as for this documentary.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of knowns and unknowns, Yes, this is one of
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Speaker 2: those things where the documentary makes a really compelling case,
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Speaker 2: but we'll really just never know if the point it's
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Speaker 2: making is true, which the high level overview of this
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Speaker 2: documentary is that there was a software program that collected
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Speaker 2: data from everyone, all Americans and everyone talking to Americans,
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Speaker 2: and it was a software program that its makers claim
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Speaker 2: could have prevented nine to eleven.
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Speaker 1: I'm a little.
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Speaker 2: Conflicted because the subject to this documentary, for all intents
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Speaker 2: and purposes, is just suggesting that, like his kinder and
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Speaker 2: gentler version of American government spying would have stopped nine
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Speaker 2: to eleven. And it's like, we don't know that, but also,
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Speaker 2: you're still spying on Americans, man.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And even if that were implemented thin Thread, I
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Speaker 1: believe it was called Yes, apologies if I'm jumping around,
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Speaker 1: But that's the thing is that even if Thin Thread
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Speaker 1: were one hundred sent fully implemented and did everything that
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Speaker 1: it claimed to do and to be and was, like
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Speaker 1: you said, a gentler version of well, the Patriot Act, essentially,
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Speaker 1: there's no way in hell that they wouldn't unlock those
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Speaker 1: doors anyway, you know what I mean, It would have
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Speaker 1: evolved into what it is now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's essentially what happens in this documentary. That's
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Speaker 2: the risk you're running when you work with this government.
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Speaker 2: You approach him about something and they're like, yeah, that's
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Speaker 2: a thing we can use for good, and then once
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Speaker 2: they have it, they're like, well, we can use it
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Speaker 2: for bad too, and we're all obviously going to do
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Speaker 2: that as well. And this software program kind of ends
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Speaker 2: up being that where he's like, well, here's kind of
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Speaker 2: a neutered, stripped down version of what you're doing that's
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Speaker 2: a little less invasive, and they end up going, hey, thanks,
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Speaker 2: we're going to use that. We're just going to take
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Speaker 2: all of that stuff that keeps it from being invasive out.
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Speaker 2: And that's the point this guy quits. What guy ansa
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Speaker 2: whistle blow? William Binnie he is a former official at
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Speaker 2: the NSSA, resigned shortly after nine to eleven happened. What
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Speaker 2: are you up to, Bennie? He was just odd.
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Speaker 1: Getting out of town. Huh yeah, what what you gotta
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Speaker 1: be in an Austrian documentary?
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Speaker 2: Now, what do you want to be in Laden's family members?
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Speaker 2: Because remember we shuffled them out of town.
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Speaker 1: Yeah right, they shuffled them out of town.
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Speaker 2: Nothing weird about that at all?
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Speaker 1: Nope, not at all. Nothing odd about that, Nothing odd
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Speaker 1: about all all that stuff that's That's the thing is
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Speaker 1: that you know, this documentary, it is talking about how
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Speaker 1: smart and intelligent this guy is. And I'm not denying
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Speaker 1: the fact that he is proven to be smart and intelligent,
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Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean he's good. Not only is it
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Speaker 1: kind of shaky the whole You know, Hey, let's build
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Speaker 1: a giant web of spying on all forms of phones
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Speaker 1: and computers starting way back in the eighties. He won
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Speaker 1: to do this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, way way back.
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Speaker 1: Way way back, well even beforehand, it like back in
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Speaker 1: the he started doing stuff in the sixes. You know,
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Speaker 1: he was a codebreaker essentially in the sixties and seventies
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Speaker 1: or decreased, he was a analyst. But I'm just giving
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Speaker 1: you the layman's shorthand from my perspective. Basically, the documentary
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Speaker 1: is essentially saying, well, the NSA dragged it to ass
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Speaker 1: about going from analog to digital when he created the
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Speaker 1: concept of metadata, at least from a national security standpoint, right,
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Speaker 1: the monitoring of the monitoring, and that that was information
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Speaker 1: that they would previously just discard. Yeah, and I got
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Speaker 1: it because they thought they couldn't use it, because not
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Speaker 1: everyone who has a job is good at their job. Like, yes,
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Speaker 1: don't ever be surprised when the government just fucks up
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Speaker 1: because some people suck at their jobs. On the one hand, yes,
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Speaker 1: something went wrong that allowed nine to eleven to happen,
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Speaker 1: But since then, how many terror attacks have there been
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Speaker 1: in the United States? There have been mass shootings, and
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Speaker 1: I feel like those are a different thing. How many
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Speaker 1: nine to eleven style fucking suicide bomber style attacks have
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Speaker 1: happened in the United States.
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Speaker 2: None. No, So the suggestion that, oh, if we just
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Speaker 2: had the right software in place, it would have stopped
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Speaker 2: nine to eleven, I don't think that's true because we
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Speaker 2: had information in the President's hands as far back as
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Speaker 2: I think July of two thousand and one that was
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Speaker 2: like Osama bin Laden wants to carry out attacks in
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Speaker 2: the United States and no one acted on it. So
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Speaker 2: even if they got all this intelligence, who were they
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Speaker 2: going to send it to that was going to do
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Speaker 2: shit about it?
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Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, there was that one member of the former
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Speaker 1: member of the NSA that prior to even meeting Benny
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Speaker 1: mentioned on how he got a report that Osama bin
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Speaker 1: Laden and the Taliban or al Kada, excuse me, we're
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Speaker 1: making plans and in his words, she said, well, well,
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Speaker 1: what are a couple of ragheads going to do?
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Speaker 2: Right? And that was his words, not Eric's, his words,
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Speaker 2: not mine.
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Speaker 1: Well, well, it's important. I'm just reinforcing your point that
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Speaker 1: this is this wasn't unknown information, this was just ignored information.
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Speaker 2: Right, And I get his privacy concerns. I'm with him
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Speaker 2: on that. I would rather this be done in a
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Speaker 2: way that doesn't just dig right into all the personal
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Speaker 2: details of our lives. But I also think it was
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Speaker 2: unrealistic of him to expect the government to keep it
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Speaker 2: at that. Yeah, we're the American government. We do whatever
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Speaker 2: we want.
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Speaker 1: They're really painting Benny everyone involved in this as a
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Speaker 1: man that believed in a good and true America and
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Speaker 1: was betrayed by that naively, in my opinion, betrayed by
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Speaker 1: that patriotism. That's just unrealistic to me. I think anyone
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Speaker 1: that has worked in the government even slightly kind of
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Speaker 1: know how not only you know, he learned early on
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Speaker 1: how inefficient it can be through ignorance or just laziness
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Speaker 1: in certain cases, but you also have to know that
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Speaker 1: there are some sinister elements at play. There always will be,
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Speaker 1: and always has been. I don't know, Yeah, yeah, maybe
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Speaker 1: he saw things through rose colored glasses for too long.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the idea that he's been working in government
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Speaker 2: surveillance since the eighties and hasn't seen this government do
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Speaker 2: anything shady too, Yeah, its own citizens. I don't buy
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Speaker 2: that at all. I think this might just have been
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Speaker 2: the shadiest thing he saw slip past people's radar. Literally.
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Speaker 1: Well, Also, you have to whenever you watch a documentary
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Speaker 1: and you know this, you have to realize, Okay, who
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Speaker 1: benefits from this? And I think another purpose behind this
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Speaker 1: doc is to kind of just oh, the shady stuff
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Speaker 1: was fine until it affected me, right, and now it's
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Speaker 1: a problem. So there could be that too, Because they're
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Speaker 1: really painting Bennie as this could be savior.
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Speaker 2: It's like straight up hero worship for this guy. Like
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Speaker 2: everyone they interview is like, he's the smartest guy I've
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Speaker 2: ever known. He's the most ethical guy I've ever known.
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Speaker 2: And it's like, all right, if you even apply to
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Speaker 2: work at the NSA, you're not the most ethical person
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Speaker 2: anyone knows. I don't know. I can't imagine a point
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Speaker 2: in the history of this country where we weren't the
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Speaker 2: biggest threat to the government, meaning Americans, be that a
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Speaker 2: real threat or a perceived threat. Like when you think
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Speaker 2: about sixties, seventies and eighties, what was the government doing
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Speaker 2: they were oppressing black people? Did nothing? William Binnie did
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Speaker 2: play into that or did it, And he was just like,
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Speaker 2: that's our job at the NSA is to suppress them.
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Speaker 2: But Americans died on nine to eleven. It's like, no, Benny,
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Speaker 2: We're all Americans.
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Speaker 1: But Adam in the documentary, I I just saw footage
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Speaker 1: of him looking like Clark Kent as a young man,
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Speaker 1: solving codes that look like the Zodiac killers things. He
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Speaker 1: has to be a good guy and he did it
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Speaker 1: alone by himself, and he's the only good one.
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Speaker 2: They play all this like sci fi orchestral music when
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Speaker 2: they're explaining how his program works, and it, I can
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Speaker 2: tell you in like one sentence, it maps the relationship
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Speaker 2: between all the phones in the world.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
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Speaker 2: That's all you really need to know. And they go
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Speaker 2: deep into detail talking about how it works.
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Speaker 1: Well. They play the same trick over and over. The
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Speaker 1: problem is that this thing should have been forty minutes
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Speaker 1: to an hour instead of ninety minutes. That's issue one.
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Speaker 1: An issue too is that it's like, oh, this is
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Speaker 1: a PowerPoint presentation interspersed with pps like interviews.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the interviews just get a little overbearing, like
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Speaker 2: we I get it. He's he's a good American.
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Speaker 1: He's good.
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Speaker 2: He likes the Constitution.
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Speaker 1: It's in the title, Adam, and we have to reinforce it.
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Speaker 1: He's so he's so good. He's so good, so good,
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Speaker 1: so good, so good that he voted for Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: and has appeared on Breitbart after all this, and he
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Speaker 1: also thinks that the election of Biden was rigged against Trump.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I feel so much better being an asshole to
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Speaker 2: this guy now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I after the I just did a quick
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Speaker 1: Google search after this, and it just was like, oh, okay,
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Speaker 1: So I can understand his position of voting for Trump
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Speaker 1: initially just because oh, this man is an outsider and
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Speaker 1: I don't trust anybody on either side of the aisle
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Speaker 1: at this point. But it's not like he's not benefiting
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Speaker 1: from that and creating more crackpot theories. Here's the thing
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Speaker 1: this documentary in and of itself of like, hey, the
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Speaker 1: government covered up nine to eleven. That's not far fetched.
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Speaker 1: And here's the thing. I'm not much of a conspiracy
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Speaker 1: theory person. Spoiler alert, but I believe that. But when
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Speaker 1: it comes to rigging the election against Donald Trump and
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Speaker 1: some of the other things that he claims post nine
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Speaker 1: to eleven, you lost me, Bud. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 2: We actually are fresh off recording two episodes about the
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Speaker 2: My Pillow Guy's election documentary, which is bombers Yuck. It
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Speaker 2: is insane.
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Speaker 1: You noticed that documentary, A Good American was executive produced
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Speaker 1: by Oliver Stone, right, I did see that. Yeah, so
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Speaker 1: that kind of tells you a little bit.
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Speaker 2: It's just an interesting coincidence because last week, the episode
20:30
Speaker 2: that will have gone up before this, me and Jeff
20:34
Speaker 2: May were recapping an episode of Conspiracy Theory with Jesse
20:39
Speaker 2: Ventura about reptilians, and that is the episode where he
20:46
Speaker 2: added Oliver Stone's son to the cast of the show.
20:50
Speaker 2: And then Yeah, I watched this next and it's like,
20:52
Speaker 2: oh shit, Oliver Stone. He's in both of these things.
20:56
Speaker 1: What is Oliver Stone's son's name, Mark, But his.
21:00
Speaker 2: Actual name is Oliver Stone's son.
21:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was about to say Mark Stone. Yeah.
21:05
Speaker 2: They talk about him using similar means to predict the
21:08
Speaker 2: yam Kapur War back in the seventies, and I'm sure
21:12
Speaker 2: nothing else at all was this program used for, and
21:17
Speaker 2: like he says, he used it to predict the Russian
21:19
Speaker 2: invasion of Afghanistan. And they really do lay it on
21:23
Speaker 2: thick that Hey, this guy, everything this guy does works
21:26
Speaker 2: and so he tries to sell this to the NSA
21:31
Speaker 2: and they're not really going for it. It's a program
21:33
Speaker 2: called thin Thread, and again it works exactly like we said.
21:37
Speaker 2: But one part I did find interesting. Not only did
21:40
Speaker 2: they shun this software, but the NSA just kind of
21:44
Speaker 2: shunned the Internet altogether at first. And that seems so
21:49
Speaker 2: insanely shortsighted, but also not shocking. I used to work
21:53
Speaker 2: at Playboy, and people, let me tell you, Playboy pretended
21:57
Speaker 2: the Internet did not exist until like two thousand, thousand
22:00
Speaker 2: and nine. They were selling DVDs to people deep into
22:04
Speaker 2: the twenty tens, and it's like, that's why you're almost
22:09
Speaker 2: done now. Like Playboy seems like it's ready to collapse,
22:14
Speaker 2: Like it's gonna be like Mad magazine, putting out like
22:16
Speaker 2: four issues a year. I think they might already be
22:19
Speaker 2: close to doing that.
22:20
Speaker 1: I think so. I thought they were just a website
22:22
Speaker 1: at this point.
22:23
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, that could be thought, I thought.
22:25
Speaker 1: I think there's exclusively online. Now I could be dead wrong,
22:29
Speaker 1: but that's the thing is that our government is much
22:32
Speaker 1: like other businesses in which a lot of the people
22:36
Speaker 1: that are at the helm of these things are the
22:38
Speaker 1: old dogs, and the old dogs don't care for the
22:40
Speaker 1: new tricks or think the new tricks don't matter, and
22:44
Speaker 1: it's evolve or die. And it's not too dissimilar to well,
22:48
Speaker 1: you know, our last two presidents are in their seventies,
22:51
Speaker 1: so they don't understand the full grasp of it. So
22:54
Speaker 1: I'm not too surprised that a lot of the folks
22:57
Speaker 1: that were in charge in the head of the NSA
22:59
Speaker 1: thought Internet that's just a passing phase. Yeah, much like
23:04
Speaker 1: eight track tapes.
23:05
Speaker 2: They didn't even want to give analysts access to email,
23:09
Speaker 2: which that is nuts. And I think that like that
23:12
Speaker 2: was like a government developed thing basically. Or if he's
23:16
Speaker 2: to be believed, one of the people they interview on
23:18
Speaker 2: the MyPillow Guy documentary invented email. Very contentious claim. You
23:23
Speaker 2: won't be surprised to know. I'm sure some people vehemently
23:27
Speaker 2: disagree with him, like the guy who was actually credited
23:31
Speaker 2: with inventing email. Oh god, So William Binny's concern to
23:36
Speaker 2: his credit seems to be that the programs the NSA
23:40
Speaker 2: were trying to go with over his were way more
23:44
Speaker 2: intrusive and invasive into the average American's life. And I
23:50
Speaker 2: still want to know I would like him to define
23:53
Speaker 2: American in this sense, because what you end up seeing
23:58
Speaker 2: happening after the War on Terror starts. We covered a
24:02
Speaker 2: really great documentary I think a couple of years ago,
24:05
Speaker 2: called The Feeling of Being Watched, and that's a documentary
24:09
Speaker 2: about how this woman, through the Freedom of Information Act,
24:12
Speaker 2: eventually finds out the FBI had been surveiling everyone in
24:18
Speaker 2: her neighborhood for like a decade. And it's because it
24:23
Speaker 2: was a predominantly Muslim neighborhood on the outskirts of Chicago,
24:27
Speaker 2: and everyone knew that the government had been surveiling them,
24:31
Speaker 2: but no one knew to what extent. But every house
24:34
Speaker 2: she would go to, they were like, yeah, they showed
24:37
Speaker 2: up and asked me who I was going to vote for.
24:39
Speaker 2: They like they come around all the time. And she
24:42
Speaker 2: starts filing these Freedom of Information Act requests to find
24:46
Speaker 2: out how many people they were watching in her neighborhood,
24:49
Speaker 2: and they finally come back and they're like, oh, around
24:51
Speaker 2: five hundred, and she's like, oh, that's how many people
24:54
Speaker 2: live in this neighborhood. It's around five hundred. It's a
24:58
Speaker 2: crazy documentary. And like, how would William Binny have felt
25:02
Speaker 2: about that surveillance? Would that be the kind of thing
25:06
Speaker 2: that we would have to do to stop terrorism? Yeah?
25:09
Speaker 2: Did it stop terrorism? There were if you watched the documentary,
25:13
Speaker 2: there were two people eventually caught in that surveillance, and
25:16
Speaker 2: they were both caught for like money laundering. Yeah, like
25:19
Speaker 2: it wasn't It wasn't terrorism related at all. But I
25:22
Speaker 2: wonder how he would feel about his program being implemented
25:26
Speaker 2: in that way.
25:26
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's hard to discern. But all I know
25:28
Speaker 1: is this is that of all the people interviewed, not
25:31
Speaker 1: one person of color. No. No, I would not be
25:34
Speaker 1: surprised if, like you were mentioning about the FBI spying
25:38
Speaker 1: on five hundred Muslim people that at the same time,
25:42
Speaker 1: he'd be like, oh no, No, What I meant was
25:44
Speaker 1: we don't want to spy on white people. Why do that?
25:47
Speaker 1: They're not terrorists.
25:49
Speaker 2: That's definitely a question I would have because the praise
25:53
Speaker 2: for this guy is so over the top, and I
25:56
Speaker 2: don't know something about Oliver Stone being involved doesn't sit
26:00
Speaker 2: well with me, And I hate a nine to eleven
26:02
Speaker 2: documentary that never mentions Saudi Arabia. Yeah, when it doesn't
26:07
Speaker 2: get into Saudi Arabia, then I feel like this is
26:09
Speaker 2: just a diversion to keep us from talking about that.
26:13
Speaker 1: No, this is definitely a lesser asshole saying the bigger
26:18
Speaker 1: assholes the bigger asshole and we're like, yeah, we know,
26:21
Speaker 1: but that doesn't make you good, right.
26:24
Speaker 2: So they bring up another software program called Trailblazer that
26:29
Speaker 2: the NSA decides to go with instead, and this guy's
26:34
Speaker 2: problem with it one is that again it's way too
26:37
Speaker 2: intrusive into the lives of an average person, but it's
26:40
Speaker 2: also bringing in so much data that how do you
26:43
Speaker 2: even know what to go with?
26:46
Speaker 1: And another problem that he didn't mention it. It's also
26:50
Speaker 1: not his, so right, that's a problem for him that
26:54
Speaker 1: he omitted.
26:55
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of stuff about the back and
26:57
Speaker 2: forth at the NSA between the people who supported Trailblazer
27:00
Speaker 2: and the people who supported thin Thread. Side note, where
27:04
Speaker 2: can I get one of those NSA hoodies that woman
27:07
Speaker 2: was wearing? Right? Shit was tight?
27:10
Speaker 1: Really? Were they?
27:11
Speaker 2: It was a zip up and it had a big
27:13
Speaker 2: ass NSA logo on the back. I would wear the
27:16
Speaker 2: shit out of that.
27:17
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it looked comfy too, it did.
27:20
Speaker 2: It looked very cozy. Well, I mean, when your job
27:22
Speaker 2: is just listening to American's phone calls all day. Yeah,
27:25
Speaker 2: you want to settle in, you don't. You don't need
27:27
Speaker 2: to be uptight and stuffy in that shitch.
27:30
Speaker 1: I want to. I wonder if there's NSA pajamas for that,
27:34
Speaker 1: for that very thing, like like pajama bottoms pants.
27:39
Speaker 2: I bet they have a whole internal store where you
27:42
Speaker 2: can just buy all sorts of NSA merch.
27:45
Speaker 1: Maybe it's more than just a store. Maybe as soon
27:47
Speaker 1: as you signed the dotted line and all that, they
27:50
Speaker 1: at least give you a free hoodie and a free
27:52
Speaker 1: pair of pants.
27:53
Speaker 2: That would be cool. Whoever from the NSSA is tasked
27:56
Speaker 2: with listen listening to us record this, if you could
27:59
Speaker 2: just drop a link to that hoodie in the show notes, yeah,
28:02
Speaker 2: I would really appreciate it. I would also ship my
28:06
Speaker 2: pants if that link showed him in the shots record.
28:09
Speaker 1: I will go. I will go one further. Uh, since
28:11
Speaker 1: you already know where I live. Uh, just I'm I'm
28:15
Speaker 1: a hefty boy. Uh, you know two x three XL
28:18
Speaker 1: because I like it, Baggy, just ship it, Just ship
28:21
Speaker 1: it straight to me. You don't even need to include
28:23
Speaker 1: a return address because I know you're not going to No,
28:26
Speaker 1: of course.
28:27
Speaker 2: Not, or it'll be a fake one or like a
28:28
Speaker 2: Peters or something. And so by this point in the documentary,
28:32
Speaker 2: I get it. William Binny is very credible, at least
28:35
Speaker 2: in terms of having the proper knowledge on how to
28:39
Speaker 2: spy on American citizens. Great.
28:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's so American, Adam, Yeah.
28:44
Speaker 2: He is a good American maybe the only I think
28:47
Speaker 2: he might be the only.
28:49
Speaker 1: No, the title is a good American.
28:51
Speaker 2: So what if it's not. What if they didn't even
28:53
Speaker 2: mean him? Like now that woman we interview a bunch,
28:56
Speaker 2: she's the good one a nightmare.
28:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's the question of the documentary. Which one
29:01
Speaker 1: of these people is the good American? God.
29:03
Speaker 2: So, in January two thousand and one, William Binni requests
29:08
Speaker 2: that Thin Thread be deployed to eighteen different potential terrorism hotspots,
29:13
Speaker 2: and that request is denied. And that same year, a
29:19
Speaker 2: new director takes over, and there's a bunch of new
29:21
Speaker 2: higher ups that are appointed, and one of them just
29:24
Speaker 2: tells William Binni he is no longer to push thin
29:27
Speaker 2: thread on anyone, and eventually it just kind of fell
29:32
Speaker 2: out of use. Three weeks later, nine to eleven happened.
29:37
Speaker 2: So I get from a timing standpoint, why William Binnie
29:41
Speaker 2: would be upset. But were they going to implement it
29:44
Speaker 2: fast enough? I don't know. I assume it was a
29:47
Speaker 2: it was already implemented, but that is unfortunate timing, especially
29:51
Speaker 2: if this program would have been more effective, and they
29:54
Speaker 2: seem to demonstrate that it was, but they also don't
29:57
Speaker 2: explain what they're showing us. They're like, see, we're getting
29:59
Speaker 2: a exact locations here, and it's just like phone numbers
30:02
Speaker 2: and IP addresses, and it's like, what are we looking at?
30:05
Speaker 2: What are you showing us? So that's the thing you
30:08
Speaker 2: kind of have to go on their testing of the
30:10
Speaker 2: program to verify that it would have worked. There's no
30:13
Speaker 2: like independent test, No, there's.
30:16
Speaker 1: No third party to indicate whether they're correct or incorrect.
30:19
Speaker 1: And you know, he was pushing thin thread for quite
30:22
Speaker 1: some time, so this could you know, it's one of
30:26
Speaker 1: those Oh they finally just stopped doing it all together,
30:29
Speaker 1: and then three weeks later nine to eleven happened, Well, yeah,
30:31
Speaker 1: but you're just basing it off of that latest rejection
30:36
Speaker 1: of it. You could have kept going with it, and
30:38
Speaker 1: you went with it previously. Do you see what I'm saying. Yeah,
30:42
Speaker 1: and it's just oh, it just happened to be that.
30:46
Speaker 1: It's like, well, if not eleven didn't happen, you would
30:48
Speaker 1: still be trying to promote thin Thread and even before that,
30:51
Speaker 1: you know, way even before that, you kept doing it
30:55
Speaker 1: for forever. That's kind of the point of the dock.
30:58
Speaker 1: It's cherry picking. I don't know.
31:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's not as convincing as it thinks it is. No,
31:06
Speaker 2: like they they're really like they're they're they're kind of
31:09
Speaker 2: it's kind of self referential where they're just like, oh,
31:12
Speaker 2: who says this would have worked? We do so that
31:15
Speaker 2: that's uh, that's all you need to know. And uh, yeah,
31:18
Speaker 2: so it the NSA ends up shutting this program down basically,
31:23
Speaker 2: but then they end up using a version of it
31:25
Speaker 2: with all of the privacy stuff stripped out, and that's
31:28
Speaker 2: when Binny loses his shit, and uh he files a
31:33
Speaker 2: Department of Defense Inspector General complaint against the NSSA for
31:39
Speaker 2: their efforts to stop from implementing finn Thread. They talk
31:44
Speaker 2: about this report being buried from the public and how
31:48
Speaker 2: this report showed all of this data that was missed
31:52
Speaker 2: that could have prevented nine to eleven. What do they
31:55
Speaker 2: want people to do with that information?
31:58
Speaker 1: They never went into detail about what they would have
32:01
Speaker 1: done with it had they had known, And they didn't
32:03
Speaker 1: specify what if I recall it correctly, They didn't specify
32:07
Speaker 1: what type of information it was. It just was there.
32:11
Speaker 2: Well, they said they had like movements and location, Oh,
32:14
Speaker 2: they stuff like that. But also you're I don't know
32:16
Speaker 2: if they're kind of working with hindsight there, like, well,
32:19
Speaker 2: now you know who the hijackers were, so you could
32:23
Speaker 2: cross reference that and be like, see, we knew where
32:25
Speaker 2: they were. But if we had seen that cold, would
32:28
Speaker 2: we have known what we were looking at? I don't know.
32:30
Speaker 2: I don't know.
32:31
Speaker 1: Well, didn't they also say that there were some they
32:34
Speaker 1: also found information about potential hijackers that aborted their missions
32:39
Speaker 1: or just didn't do it for whatever reasons, or missed
32:41
Speaker 1: their planes and that type of thing. So who's to say, uh,
32:45
Speaker 1: what would have you know? We could have picked the
32:48
Speaker 1: wrong people to try to target or just target all
32:51
Speaker 1: of them. I don't know, but on top. But here's
32:54
Speaker 1: the thing is that it's hard for us to gauge
32:57
Speaker 1: what we would have done with that, especially since this
33:00
Speaker 1: is clearly a group of people that have a grudge.
33:03
Speaker 1: It may be a valid grudge against the NSA, but
33:06
Speaker 1: it's still a grudge against it. So of course they
33:08
Speaker 1: want to paint themselves, as you know, as great, and
33:12
Speaker 1: they want to paint the NSA as even worse than
33:14
Speaker 1: what we already know them to be.
33:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, it at some point starts to feel kind of
33:20
Speaker 2: like a sales pitch, because there is a part in this,
33:23
Speaker 2: in this documentary where they talk about okay, well, then
33:26
Speaker 2: we decided to start shopping it around to other government agencies,
33:31
Speaker 2: and we got shut down every time we tried to
33:33
Speaker 2: do that. We tried to sell it to the CIA,
33:35
Speaker 2: and it's like oh cool, thanks, and no one bought it.
33:39
Speaker 2: But they still have it, Like they could sell it
33:41
Speaker 2: to someone. They could probably sell it to a foreign government.
33:45
Speaker 2: Maybe they could sell it to Vladimir Putin. If Oliver
33:48
Speaker 2: Stone can help them put together a good enough sales pitch.
33:51
Speaker 1: They might be. I could be, I could be wrong,
33:53
Speaker 1: but I it could be my memory being fuzzy, but
33:56
Speaker 1: it did. I do recall when looking at Benny that
34:00
Speaker 1: he does have some Russian ties or at least know
34:03
Speaker 1: some people over there, So who's to say. And at
34:07
Speaker 1: the very end of the documentary it provides a website
34:10
Speaker 1: at dot org. So yeah, I think you're right that
34:14
Speaker 1: there is not just the tone of the documentary being
34:17
Speaker 1: kind of a sales pitch for thin Thread or whatever
34:20
Speaker 1: the hell they want to call it now, but it
34:23
Speaker 1: seems like they kind of want to get the conversation
34:26
Speaker 1: going regarding this, and it's not purely altruistic of getting
34:30
Speaker 1: the truth out about nine to eleven. It's also, hey,
34:35
Speaker 1: we have this thing, why don't you buy it from us?
34:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it feels like a diversion to me, not
34:41
Speaker 2: just with leaving out Saudi Arabia, but everything they're bringing up, Well,
34:46
Speaker 2: we had intelligence that we showed to other people and
34:49
Speaker 2: they didn't do anything. The President did that too, Like
34:53
Speaker 2: all of these things they're describing happened at higher levels
34:56
Speaker 2: in different agencies. We know the CIA and the FB
35:00
Speaker 2: I had information that had they gotten together and shared it,
35:04
Speaker 2: then maybe we could have prevented nine to eleven. But
35:07
Speaker 2: they weren't fucking talking, like, no one was sharing information.
35:11
Speaker 2: So he's just kind of bringing up another example of that,
35:15
Speaker 2: but acting as if that one fix would have that
35:18
Speaker 2: would have changed everything. And I'm just not so sure
35:21
Speaker 2: about that. I feel like that information would have gone
35:24
Speaker 2: higher up the chain. They would have sent it to someone,
35:27
Speaker 2: and that someone would have been like huh interesting, yeah,
35:30
Speaker 2: and then nine to eleven would have happened, because that's
35:32
Speaker 2: kind of what happened anyway. Yeah, so yeah, I don't.
35:36
Speaker 2: As this documentary went on, I just like the story's crazy.
35:39
Speaker 2: The story about their offices getting raided.
35:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was nuts.
35:44
Speaker 2: That was very weird, Like they just the government just
35:47
Speaker 2: showed up and took all of their computers and all
35:51
Speaker 2: of their nine to eleven related intelligence. But here's the thing,
35:55
Speaker 2: So they say, do we know that raid happened? I
35:58
Speaker 2: don't know. Like there's no one else interviewed but them,
36:01
Speaker 2: so I don't. Yeah, but if that happened, it's it's
36:05
Speaker 2: it's very interesting. But again, oh, the government's hiding information
36:09
Speaker 2: about nine to eleven. No, no way, Yeah, like, how
36:12
Speaker 2: about you tell us what it said?
36:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. If they had all this information,
36:18
Speaker 1: if they really want to be whistleblowers? Why not share it?
36:21
Speaker 1: And now I know they already are operating under Like
36:25
Speaker 1: the very first thing that is said in the documentary
36:29
Speaker 1: was Benny's lawyer saying, just know that if something happens
36:32
Speaker 1: to me, it was not a suicide. So presumably Benny
36:36
Speaker 1: and everyone else that was interviewed are under the impression
36:38
Speaker 1: at no, we're risking our lives talking about this. So
36:43
Speaker 1: if you're going to go, you know, go for fucking broke.
36:46
Speaker 1: If that's true, say the shit that you do know,
36:50
Speaker 1: because the worst thing that can happen, you're already prepared
36:53
Speaker 1: for it, supposedly. And on top of that, if you
36:56
Speaker 1: want the truth to come out, say the truth.
36:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I know, you could argue, well, he's
37:03
Speaker 2: probably bound by some kind of government clearance, confidentiality kind
37:08
Speaker 2: of thing. He's a whistleblower. Yeah, that's what whistleblowers do.
37:12
Speaker 2: Tell us what it said. Because again, if it fucking
37:15
Speaker 2: said Saudi Arabia did it and you didn't put that
37:17
Speaker 2: in this documentary, that's bad times.
37:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's bad It's yeah, it's bad times. And
37:23
Speaker 1: it's just that's the thing is, like you're it's you're
37:27
Speaker 1: pretending that you're a brave person because you're not actually
37:30
Speaker 1: doing anything. You're just you're just telling us shit that
37:33
Speaker 1: we kind of presumed already. While adding on top of
37:37
Speaker 1: that of like, well, well I could have stopped it,
37:40
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, okay, yeah, whatever, Mark Wahlberg, shut the
37:42
Speaker 1: fuck up.
37:44
Speaker 2: You know, well that Wahlberg could have stopped it. Come on,
37:47
Speaker 2: you've seen the movies.
37:49
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen I've seen. You know what he
37:53
Speaker 1: did prevent the trees from killing everybody?
37:57
Speaker 2: So true, maybe shout out to the happening. That is
38:01
Speaker 2: one of the best accidental comedies of all time.
38:04
Speaker 1: It's up there. It's up there with oh what was
38:07
Speaker 1: that Nick Cage one with the bees. It was a remake.
38:10
Speaker 1: Help me, Wickerman, Wickerman, thank you, Oh God God.
38:14
Speaker 2: So that's the general gist of this documentary is this
38:17
Speaker 2: guy thinks he could have stopped nine to eleven with
38:21
Speaker 2: a software program called thin Thread, and perhaps in a
38:25
Speaker 2: perfect government, yes that would have been possible. But I
38:29
Speaker 2: just feel like there were forces at play that we're
38:33
Speaker 2: all right with nine to eleven happening. You even hear
38:36
Speaker 2: it in this documentary when he goes to his superiors
38:39
Speaker 2: and they're like, look, nine to eleven is a gold
38:42
Speaker 2: mine for us. We're gonna get so much government budget
38:45
Speaker 2: money out of this, and you're all gonna get some.
38:48
Speaker 2: This documentary acts like that was the attitude at the NSA. Yeah,
38:52
Speaker 2: that was the attitude at every level up to the
38:55
Speaker 2: fucking executive level. Like who got the richest off nine
39:00
Speaker 2: Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, that whole fucking Bush Cheney
39:05
Speaker 2: war machine is who eventually got rich and all of
39:09
Speaker 2: their corporate friends. So this fucking software wasn't gonna stop that.
39:14
Speaker 1: No, there's no way. And this and this type of
39:17
Speaker 1: you know, cloak and dagger type Uh, this type of
39:21
Speaker 1: cloak and dagger type shit is what is the only
39:24
Speaker 1: time trickle down economics works because you got Yeah, because
39:28
Speaker 1: they get supermando rich and they want everyone else to
39:31
Speaker 1: shut the fuck up about them being supermando rich. So,
39:35
Speaker 1: as they say in the documentary, everybody gets their share.
39:38
Speaker 1: But that's not just from an NSA standpoint, It starts
39:41
Speaker 1: from Bush down, if not even above him, for god's sakes.
39:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, this this documentary just kind of confirms that the
39:47
Speaker 2: government works the way we assume it works. Yeah, it is.
39:51
Speaker 2: It's fueled by money and if people get hurt in
39:54
Speaker 2: the process, so be it.
39:56
Speaker 1: Yeah.
39:56
Speaker 2: So there's not a lot of revelations in it, and
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Speaker 2: I do feel like it's kind of true trying to
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Speaker 2: sell this software. I don't know if I would recommend
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Speaker 2: it to people like, I would only.
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Speaker 1: Recommend it the way I did. And it's only because
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Speaker 1: if you if you have any interest in seeing it,
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Speaker 1: because quite frankly, this is a pot the this entire
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Speaker 1: documentary should have been a podcast. But yep, but if
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Speaker 1: you are going to watch it, watch it on Amazon
40:19
Speaker 1: with ads, because that way you can hear people like
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Speaker 1: talking sternly about oh God, and that's what the NSA did,
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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it just snaps into
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Speaker 1: a dude wipes commercial.
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Speaker 2: Yeah so yeah, I don't know what. Yeah, watch it
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Speaker 2: with the ads. But when I pulled it up with
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Speaker 2: the ads, it looked like they were about seventy five
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Speaker 2: AD breaks, So I was like, fine, I will yeah,
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Speaker 2: hnt it. Well, Standard Death, don't Standard, don't.
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Speaker 1: Pay HD, do not pay for this, do not pay
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Speaker 1: to watch this. And the only reason I say watch
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Speaker 1: with ads is because the juxta, the knee jerk juxtaposition
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Speaker 1: from this type of content over to like, oh boy, yay,
41:04
Speaker 1: we're a happy family eating taco shells from it, you know,
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Speaker 1: and then all their cells are great. Yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: taco shows are great, but these people are super enthusiastic
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Speaker 1: about taco shows, and then immediately going back to oh,
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Speaker 1: the government, Oh they are so scary. That's the only
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Speaker 1: way that this documentary is engaging.
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Speaker 2: For as long as it is, it really drags. It
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Speaker 2: barely needs to be an hour. It certainly doesn't need
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Speaker 2: to be an hour and forty minutes. No, No, that
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Speaker 2: is way too much. And I don't like that. It
41:39
Speaker 2: feels like a sales pitch. I don't like that that
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Speaker 2: sales pitch just kind of under the radar sneaks in
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Speaker 2: the fact that, well, you can use this software in
41:46
Speaker 2: the bad way too, Like we don't want to leave
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Speaker 2: that out. The NSA did do that for a while,
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Speaker 2: and then we it seems like the NSA started using it,
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Speaker 2: but just in a way this guy didn't like. And
41:56
Speaker 2: now he's trying to force a trade like a disc
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Speaker 2: Ronald NFL wide receiver, and no one wants to let
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Speaker 2: him go, so he's gonna have to retire in his
42:05
Speaker 2: prime like Barry Sanders, who was not a wide receiver.
42:08
Speaker 2: Calvin Johnson would have been a better example. They both
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Speaker 2: played for the Lions. Calvin Johnson was a receiver. He
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Speaker 2: retired in his prime. I'm sorry, America, Eric, what were
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Speaker 2: you gonna say?
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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I don't even like sports.
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Speaker 1: But no, what I was gonna say, I was gonna
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Speaker 1: just add on top of on top of all that
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Speaker 1: he could just be saying he didn't want it to
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Speaker 1: turn into the spy thing that he turned into. And again,
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Speaker 1: everything's it's a very masturbatory documentary of jerking off this
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Speaker 1: Benny guy, making him the making him right in every
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Speaker 1: scenario and you know, cross his heart and hope to die.
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Speaker 1: He had no intention of thin thread being more invasive.
42:48
Speaker 1: But that's naive as fuck. Yeah, And it kind of
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Speaker 1: just is like if you look at this from the
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Speaker 1: from the outset, it's like, oh, no, this is got.
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Speaker 1: This is just a guy that has a sour grapes
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Speaker 1: against the NSA.
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Speaker 2: Yeah really, And here's the thing. I get that who
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Speaker 2: doesn't have some hard feelings toward the NSA. You better,
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Speaker 2: even if you work get.
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Speaker 1: In line, Bud. I mean, it's not nothing about this
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Speaker 1: is just shocking in the least. It's like, yeah, and
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Speaker 1: oh oh you could have stopped it all right? Well,
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Speaker 1: how oh they kept things from you? Tell us what.
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Speaker 1: Oh you're not gonna say that either, Well you're just
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Speaker 1: that's an hour and forty minutes. I ain't getting back anyway.
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Speaker 2: would that be?
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Speaker 1: God? I would love if Conspira pops at check out
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Speaker 1: for the NSA hoodie store.
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Speaker 2: If that hell? Yeah? And if someone is going to
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Speaker 2: send us some NSA hoodies, uh, first of all, yes, please,
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Speaker 2: but I don't mean the one with the small logo
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Speaker 2: I googled it. No, I mean the zip up hoodie
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Speaker 2: with the big assgo on back, even if you want
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Speaker 2: to make me one, I'll take it.
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Speaker 1: I mean go to TA. The NSA goes to t
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Speaker 1: public that makes their own God they have.
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Speaker 2: I hope the nssay is bringing in a dollar forty
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Speaker 2: four per shirt like we are over in Tea Public.
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Speaker 2: Oh god, anyway, check out our Tea Public store. Do
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Speaker 2: we have anything else? I think that's our episode. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: don't watch this documentary. We know this. The software mapped.
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Speaker 2: It mapped all the relationships of all the phones and
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Speaker 2: computers in the world. He thinks it could have stopped
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Speaker 2: nine to eleven. That's all that's new in this You've.
44:37
Speaker 1: Heard that, you've heard the podcast. This is one of
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Speaker 1: the rare movie podcasts in which we're we've told you
44:45
Speaker 1: everything about the movie. You don't have to watch the
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Speaker 1: movie in order to understand what we are talking about,
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Speaker 1: because we pretty much told you everything. So you're welcome.
44:54
Speaker 1: We did this for you.
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Speaker 2: You're just going to get a lot of technical details
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Speaker 2: that will only be pertinent if you work in the
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Speaker 2: field of oppressing American citizens. Beyond that, you're not gonna
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Speaker 2: give a shit. So, uh, do we have anything to
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Speaker 2: plug before we get out of here? How about you?
45:09
Speaker 1: Eric? Uh? If you uh like to listen to and
45:14
Speaker 1: probably listen to, I mean read funny things or know
45:18
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Speaker 2: That's it.
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Speaker 1: That's all I got. Uh.
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Speaker 2: You can you can subscribe and get bonus episodes of
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Speaker 2: was about the Reptilians episode, and it is crazy, man,
45:49
Speaker 2: see at least that's interesting, you know, it's a crazy
45:54
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory. When even Jesse venture is like, oh, justless bullshits,
45:59
Speaker 2: bull check.
46:01
Speaker 1: I've wrestled lizard men before. They would never No.
46:05
Speaker 2: There's actually a quote where he says, I worked in
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Speaker 2: professional wrestling. I've seen everything, and I've never seen a
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Speaker 2: six foot lizard person. It's like, why would wrestling give
46:16
Speaker 2: you that kind of insight into the world where, of course, well,
46:19
Speaker 2: I was a wrestler. If Bigfoot was real, I would
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Speaker 2: know a way.
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Speaker 1: Because because Adam old timey wrestlers, because of the carny
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Speaker 1: nature of everything, they presume everything is KFA, everything's a rib,
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Speaker 1: everything is a work. So I know a lot of
46:38
Speaker 1: I know a lot of wrestlers, both currently wrestling and
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Speaker 1: former wrestlers that are themselves conspiracy theorists. Because you can't
46:46
Speaker 1: work a worker, brother, you know.
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Speaker 2: That's a good point. So all right, let's get the
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Speaker 2: fuck out of here. Eric say goodbye, bye bye, goodbye, everybody,
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Speaker 2: and the lad