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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 135 | Judy Battista Weighs in on Jaguars' Trajectory Under New Leadership · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: From the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.
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  Speaker 2: It is Jaggs Am J P.
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  Speaker 1: Shadwick with John Ogier and we start right off the
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  Speaker 1: rip today with Judy Bautista, NFL Network, the Goat.
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  Speaker 2: Nice to see you, good morning.
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  Speaker 3: Very much, great to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Good how are you well.
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  Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure to catch up with you. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for taking some time this morning. We've got plenty to
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  Speaker 1: get to. We'll hear from Liam Cohen and James Gladstone
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  Speaker 1: coming up in just a little bit. But here we
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  Speaker 1: are again, Jaguars with a new staff in place. The
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  Speaker 1: process to get to this point. I feel like we've
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  Speaker 1: had this story at the Combine a lot over the
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  Speaker 1: last thirty years or so, but this is the youngest
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  Speaker 1: of the Oh my goodness, what do you think?
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  Speaker 3: They're young? But I think that's okay. First of all,
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  Speaker 3: we've seen that.
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  Speaker 4: Trend in the NFL going towards younger energy. Seems to
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  Speaker 4: be a big thing that teams.
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  Speaker 3: Want, right that that factor.
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  Speaker 4: I think we saw that in Carolina when they hired
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  Speaker 4: Dad Canalis last year. Seems sort of thing they wanted,
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  Speaker 4: that vibe and somebody who can connect with a young
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  Speaker 4: quarterback and that's certainly when you hear them, and you
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  Speaker 4: don't even need to hear them, you just know it.
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  Speaker 4: You don't have to be a brain surgeon to know
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  Speaker 4: if they've got to connect and get the most out
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  Speaker 4: of Trevor to make this war.
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  Speaker 5: And the McVeigh tree, if you will, as trees do.
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  Speaker 5: They seem to be sort of growing roots and defining
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  Speaker 5: a lot of the league the way other systems have
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  Speaker 5: in the past. What do you think about their approach
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  Speaker 5: works overall? And that's it's becoming such a mainstay.
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  Speaker 6: Of the league.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I do think the emphasis on offense, I mean
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  Speaker 4: is just and the emphasis on quarterback play and quarterback development,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is where the league is, right. I
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  Speaker 4: think we all love the idea of well, defense wins championships,
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  Speaker 4: and that's true to a degree. But if you don't
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  Speaker 4: have top level quarterback play.
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  Speaker 3: You don't go anywhere.
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  Speaker 4: And Philadelphia is absolutely the perfect example of that. Right,
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  Speaker 4: they have tremendous defensive play, they have a tremendous running back,
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  Speaker 4: but if Jalen Hurts doesn't have a great stretch during
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  Speaker 4: the playoffs and certainly in the Super Bowl, like, are
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  Speaker 4: they the world champions? Right?
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  Speaker 3: Now, I don't think so. You're still not.
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  Speaker 4: Getting there without top level quarterback play. And so to
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  Speaker 4: the extent that the McVeigh tree has produced guys who
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  Speaker 4: can connect with quarterbacks and get the best out of quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 4: that's what's going to be successful these days.
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  Speaker 2: Judy Batista, NFL Media with US.
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  Speaker 1: Is mister Kahn's four heat season of ownership coming up?
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  Speaker 1: You're close to a lot of the ownership around the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to be seventy five years old next year.
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  Speaker 1: He's done in a number of different ways putting together
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  Speaker 1: football leadership, but now he's split it up into three
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  Speaker 1: distinct roles, the head coach, the GM and the EVP
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  Speaker 1: of football operations at Tony Boselli. What is the general
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  Speaker 1: consensus on mister Kahn's ownership around the league when when
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  Speaker 1: you hear from others in a similar position.
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  Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I think most importantly for fans, right,
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  Speaker 4: he is willing to invest his money in the team
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  Speaker 4: and in surrounding them with everything they need to be successful.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean the facility, the training facility is fantastic. Right,
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  Speaker 4: They're going to upgrade the stadium, like he is willing
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  Speaker 4: to spend whatever it takes to win. Then it is
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  Speaker 4: just a matter of the GM and you know football
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  Speaker 4: ops like doing their jobs well and coaches doing their
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  Speaker 4: jobs well. But from an ownership person respective, he is
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  Speaker 4: what you want because he is willing to put his
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  Speaker 4: money behind what he wants. But he is also not meddling, right,
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  Speaker 4: Like he is empowering people, right, and he did that
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  Speaker 4: and he's done that with past regimes too. But he
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  Speaker 4: empowers his people that he thinks of the right people
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  Speaker 4: to do what they think needs to be done. You know,
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  Speaker 4: the question is has he empowered the right people? But
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  Speaker 4: that's the same question that every franchise right faces And
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  Speaker 4: like you know, Shot is a relatively new owner in
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  Speaker 4: the scheme of the NFL. You've seen franchises with much
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  Speaker 4: longer ownership tenures right, family owners who have been family
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  Speaker 4: owners since the very beginning who struggle with this. So
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  Speaker 4: it is it's not a matter of like Shobs too
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  Speaker 4: new with this. He still doesn't know what he's doing, Like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: they all struggle with it at some point. So I
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  Speaker 4: think for fans, he's what you wanted an owner because
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  Speaker 4: he is willing to spend what needs to be spent.
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  Speaker 5: I think what people lose sight of it. That is,
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  Speaker 5: it takes a while for an owner to figure out
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  Speaker 5: how to do it. And each sort of regime you
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  Speaker 5: put in, it's not like there's a six month learning
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  Speaker 5: curve on that. Each regime you put in is a
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  Speaker 5: four or five year process, So it tends to take
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  Speaker 5: a while. It's like you said, there's really no magic.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody asked me all seasons, should they do an e VP?
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  Speaker 5: Should they do just GM? There's no magic formula, right, No,
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  Speaker 5: some have it and.
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  Speaker 4: It works and some don't and it works like it's
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  Speaker 4: it's just do you have the right people in place?
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  Speaker 4: And so let's be honest. So much of this is luck.
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  Speaker 4: Do you hit on the right quarterback? Does that quarterback
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  Speaker 4: rot continue to develop?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 3: Do you avoid injuries?
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  Speaker 4: I mean just on a year to year basis, so
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  Speaker 4: much of wins and losses goes to things that you
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  Speaker 4: just can't even anticipate.
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  Speaker 5: I have questions for the NFL experts.
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  Speaker 2: To talk to the experts.
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  Speaker 5: Off season trends. As you start to look at the
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  Speaker 5: off season, what's going to shape the NFL? Until we
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  Speaker 5: get to maybe OTA's what are going to be the
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  Speaker 5: storylines You're looking for at the owners meetings, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: Well, first of I mean at the owner's meetings. I'm
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  Speaker 4: curious to see how much more they add to replay
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  Speaker 4: assist because they've.
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  Speaker 5: Which is a slippery slope when they do that right
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  Speaker 5: correct now.
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  Speaker 4: I think they like the way it worked last year,
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  Speaker 4: which was, you know, basically hits to the head and
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  Speaker 4: neck of a quarterback. Like it very narrowly defined. They
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  Speaker 4: would allow replay assists to say like, nah, that they
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  Speaker 4: didn't really hit them in the head, pick up the flag.
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  Speaker 4: But they want to add more. Roger Goodell said this,
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  Speaker 4: they want to use technology to help officials. He spent
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  Speaker 4: a lot of time defending officials at the Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 4: and I think they recognize the game is so fast
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  Speaker 4: that it is very hard for officials to officiate it
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  Speaker 4: correctly in real time, whereas the rest of us you
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  Speaker 4: get to watch on a monitor and see a million
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  Speaker 4: replays and slow motion.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously that person was hitting the head. Why wasn't a
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  Speaker 3: flag throne? Of course that's a face mask.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know not when the guys are running at
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  Speaker 4: full speed and the official is trailing, it's very hard
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  Speaker 4: to see. So I'm curious to see how much more
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  Speaker 4: replaces they're willing to use. They've always been reluctant to
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  Speaker 4: use it to like add penalties that were not already
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  Speaker 4: thrown on the field. And that is the question is
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  Speaker 4: are they going to cross that bridge?
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  Speaker 5: Well, because that's a big The spirit of replay originally
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  Speaker 5: was get the call right if the guy in the
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  Speaker 5: sports bar can see it right.
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  Speaker 3: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: And then when.
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  Speaker 5: You're talking about what you're talking about, are they bringing
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  Speaker 5: back pass interference into it?
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  Speaker 4: Which is just that I think that that I think
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  Speaker 4: scarred them so significantly that it's going to be a
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  Speaker 4: long time before we get to subjective calls being reviewable.
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  Speaker 4: That was moved such a mask. But right, you're moving
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  Speaker 4: toward things like that.
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  Speaker 2: What about the push pleasure?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: So, like nothing I've ever tweeted got as much traction
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  Speaker 4: as when I tweeted that there was a team that
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  Speaker 4: wanted to get rid of the push.
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  Speaker 3: Play and it was the Packers that brought it up.
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  Speaker 4: It is the Packers and Mark Murphy, who is about
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  Speaker 4: to retire, had written about his opposition to the push play.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the thing about the push play. It looks like
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  Speaker 4: a play that should cause injuries, right except it's run
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  Speaker 4: so infrequently that there's no injury data, so the league
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  Speaker 4: can't look at it and say, look at all this
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  Speaker 4: injury data, we got to get rid of this play.
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  Speaker 4: There's just nothing to suggest that because knock on wood,
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  Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts doesn't get hurt. They're awesome at it. Very
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  Speaker 4: few other teams even attempted, so there's not that thing
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  Speaker 4: that could push them to ban it. There's also the
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  Speaker 4: element of people who just think, like, this doesn't really
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  Speaker 4: look like a football play, right, This looks like a
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  Speaker 4: rugby play should allowed that it doesn't feel right. The
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  Speaker 4: reality of the situation, though, is like once a defense
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  Speaker 4: stops it, people will stop running it.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: The fact is nobody has effectively stopped it right, and
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  Speaker 4: nobody stopped it knock on wood, nobody's gotten hurt.
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  Speaker 3: I keep saying, and this is a fatalist way of
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  Speaker 3: looking at it.
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  Speaker 4: But like the first time a quarterback attempts it and
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  Speaker 4: gets his shoulder dislocated will be the last time that
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  Speaker 4: play is run right, right, Like that will be the
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  Speaker 4: end of the play. I it's very hard to get
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  Speaker 4: twenty four votes on anything, very hard to get ownership
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  Speaker 4: to agree on anything.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty four votes. I'd be really surprised.
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  Speaker 4: If they get rid of it, because I think the
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  Speaker 4: answer is, like stop it, get your defense to stop it,
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  Speaker 4: and will stop running it.
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  Speaker 2: Jaguar stopped it twice this year, that's right, two point plays.
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  Speaker 2: It blew up the center. It was a highlight and
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  Speaker 2: his in went up and ran into the quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the reality is, and I mean you heard
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  Speaker 3: Nick Sirianni.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, I'm sort of offended by this, you know, Like,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they're really good at it and they practice it,
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  Speaker 4: which is why other teams are not as good at it,
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  Speaker 4: because first of all, they don't have a quarterback who
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  Speaker 4: can squat whatever it is he squats six hundred pounds
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  Speaker 4: or something ridiculous. They don't have, you know, Jordan Malatta.
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  Speaker 4: They always run it right behind him right and he
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  Speaker 4: goes down low. They didn't have Jason Kelsey who could
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  Speaker 4: really go so they don't have the personnel. They don't
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  Speaker 4: have the commitment to running it. They're not practicing it
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  Speaker 4: the way the Eagles do. If other teams had those elements,
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  Speaker 4: they would be able to run it to and defenses
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  Speaker 4: need to figure out how to stop it. You saw
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  Speaker 4: the Chiefs in the Super Bowl try to line up
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  Speaker 4: Chris Jones turned sideways.
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  Speaker 3: He got hurt.
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  Speaker 4: I think on that play, so that again, I I
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  Speaker 4: hate to put it this way, but you know, the
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  Speaker 4: first time it's run in a quarterback gets blown up
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  Speaker 4: and gets hurt, that will probably be the last time
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  Speaker 4: it gets run.
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  Speaker 5: And then there's the precedent if you stop that play
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  Speaker 5: the next time Simmy comes it to the play, Well,
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  Speaker 5: why don't you stop that too, right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, like just I mean, you got to. I
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  Speaker 4: would be really surprised if they ban it. Let's put
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  Speaker 4: it that line.
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  Speaker 1: Judy Bautista, NFL Media Final, A couple of minutes with
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned the new group here, Bosselli, Gladstone Cohen, how
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  Speaker 1: long is the honeymoon last.
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  Speaker 4: First week the season usually? I think, Look, I think
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  Speaker 4: you have to give new regimes time. I mean, unless
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  Speaker 4: it is just a complete catastrophe, which obviously we've had before.
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  Speaker 4: But I think you have to give them some time
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  Speaker 4: to get the players that they think fit their program.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you can't redo a roster in one off season.
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  Speaker 4: You can do a lot, but you can't do the
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  Speaker 4: whole thing. You got to give them time to get
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  Speaker 4: their program in, but you know, they got to win
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  Speaker 4: some games too. And I think mostly what you have
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  Speaker 4: to see to convince you that this is going to
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  Speaker 4: work is just Trevor get righted right, because a few
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  Speaker 4: years ago, Trevor was clearly on the upward path right
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  Speaker 4: and was soaring and they made the push into the
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  Speaker 4: playoffs and you're thinking, wow, the future is now. They
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  Speaker 4: look great and then things have just declined since then.
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  Speaker 4: And so I think the first thing you got to
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  Speaker 4: see is does Trevor look comfortable? Are they doing things
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  Speaker 4: in the off season to help Trevor? Are they shoring
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  Speaker 4: up the offensive line right like they got to work
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  Speaker 4: on that?
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  Speaker 5: Like?
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  Speaker 4: Are they doing things that will enhance the fact that
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  Speaker 4: you have this guy?
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  Speaker 5: Two final thoughts on rules. Do they care enough about
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  Speaker 5: kickoffs to adjust it again? And can they fix on
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  Speaker 5: side kick? Is there anything like that?
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  Speaker 4: I think they're probably going to adjust the kickoff to
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  Speaker 4: move the much back line up to the thirty five.
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  Speaker 4: That will incentifize teams not to kick it into the
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  Speaker 4: end zone. That should give you more returns. Hopefully they
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  Speaker 4: keep the concussion rate low, because that was the real
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  Speaker 4: reason for changing the kickoff on on side kick. They
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  Speaker 4: have been discussing with the special teams, coaches, changing the alignment.
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  Speaker 4: The problem with the onside kick is, you know, if
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  Speaker 4: you're a kicking team and you're trying to recover an
• 12:22
  Speaker 4: onside kick, how do you do that? Well, you blow
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  Speaker 4: up the other guy, right like you just absolutely the
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  Speaker 4: last day, which is what they don't want. So they
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  Speaker 4: got to figure out a way, like if you adjust
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  Speaker 4: the alignment, do you give a team the better chance
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  Speaker 4: to recover they only need The historic rate of recovery
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  Speaker 4: of an on side kick is only thirteen point five percent,
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  Speaker 4: so you don't have to generate all that many. You
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  Speaker 4: just have to generate some. So we'll see if they
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  Speaker 4: come up with that.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, somewhat more interesting, yes, I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean it's right now it is a ceremonial play, and
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  Speaker 4: they don't want those.
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  Speaker 2: Would they do the fourth and fifteen idea?
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  Speaker 4: There's still teams that think that's something to look at.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean you talk to some coaches and not coaches,
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  Speaker 4: some owners who's say that is gimmicky and we don't
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  Speaker 4: want that. That's always been the argument against it. But
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  Speaker 4: they also have to come up with something.
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  Speaker 1: Judy, you're the best, Judy Bautista, NFL Media. Always a
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  Speaker 1: pleasure to visit with you.
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  Speaker 3: Great to be here with you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Good to see you rest of the week.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: How long are you here?
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  Speaker 3: I leave my hotel tomorrow at four am. My flights
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  Speaker 3: at six am, so not much longer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that is thanks Judy. Thanks see you later, Judy
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  Speaker 1: Bautista with us back in a moment. We'll hear from
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars head coach Liam Cohen when we return. It's Jaggs Am,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back. It's Jags Am from the Indiana Convention Center
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  Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, just across the street from Lucas Oil Stadium.
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  Speaker 1: The NFL scouting Combine is underway and the first prospects
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  Speaker 1: were at the podium this morning defensive lineman. The on
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: field work begins a little bit later this week. JP Shaddick,
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  Speaker 1: John Oser, thanks to Judy Batista, NFL Media. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: into the big things of the week, John, and start
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  Speaker 1: off with Liam Cohen, the Jaguars new head coach, making
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  Speaker 1: the rounds yesterday at the podium on Radio Row doing
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: some one on ones and with us as well. There's
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: that big question about who has final say.
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  Speaker 7: Just doesn't even like hit my brain. That's what's crazy
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  Speaker 7: about the question. Is I get the question. We all do.
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  Speaker 5: But if that's what's driving us, we.
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  Speaker 6: Have no shot.
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  Speaker 2: We have no shot.
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  Speaker 7: Ego and agenda will not take place in this organization
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  Speaker 7: for us, It just won't. We if we cannot make
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  Speaker 7: a decision, we are completely on opposite ends of the
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  Speaker 7: spectrum when it comes to any decision, We've got to
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  Speaker 7: move on from that decision.
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  Speaker 2: How do we pivot?
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  Speaker 7: There's plenty, especially with player acquisition, there's so many players
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  Speaker 7: that we can go and move on to that maybe
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  Speaker 7: we're closer on right. If we're completely on the opposite
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  Speaker 7: ends of the spectrum, we got to move on.
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  Speaker 1: That's the head coach John and pretty clearly they are
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  Speaker 1: trying to Yeah, they're hearing that question a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes reality and the way people analyze things differs from how.
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  Speaker 3: They're different.
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  Speaker 5: People always want to know what final say is, and
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  Speaker 5: the reality is, once you get inside a building and
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: you're talking about draft picks, you're talking about free agents,
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  Speaker 5: it's usually not a situation where the GM and the
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: head coach are sitting on the opposite side is playing battleship,
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: sinking each other right, there's usually common ground. They all
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: who the good players are. Hey, can we afford this
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  Speaker 5: guy with this bunch. I just don't think there's gonna
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  Speaker 5: be Holy Wars in that sense, and I think the
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  Speaker 5: approach that they're taking makes a lot of sense. Look,
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  Speaker 5: if there's a guy that they're not aligned on, then
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  Speaker 5: it's not gonna work anyway. So move on to the
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  Speaker 5: next guy. And so now at some point, if in
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  Speaker 5: two years they're not winning and there's battles and whatnot,
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  Speaker 5: because that kind of thing happens, then that might change.
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  Speaker 5: But this system is they're doing it. It makes sense.
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  Speaker 5: They've all come from that sort of system and it's
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: what they're going with. So we'll keep hearing about final say,
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: and they'll keep laughing at it.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: I just picture when you said the battleship the electric
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: battleship game with the noises and the thing, Yes, you
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: suck my battles Yeah, yeah, So now that would be interesting.
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: That would be a good uh Jaguars behind the.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Scenes, certainly, let's hear from James Ladstone Jaguars GM also
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: on the podium yesterday here in Indianapolis and making the
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: rounds with us as well.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Clear communication is key.
• 16:57
  Speaker 8: That is such a key component to finding success really
• 17:00
  Speaker 8: in any walk of life, right in any partnership. So
• 17:04
  Speaker 8: it's definitely something that I value. And you know, I
• 17:07
  Speaker 8: think back to my dad was such an influence all
• 17:09
  Speaker 8: my life in a small group setting. I don't think
• 17:11
  Speaker 8: that there's anybody who does a better job than him,
• 17:13
  Speaker 8: And so to emulate kind of sure, his cadence, his rhythm,
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: things like that. It was easy to apply that because
• 17:21
  Speaker 8: I grew up in the same house as him, right,
• 17:23
  Speaker 8: so he was he was my football coach. He was
• 17:25
  Speaker 8: a guy that I worked with as a coach, so
• 17:27
  Speaker 8: you know, being around that for so many years, it
• 17:29
  Speaker 8: was just easy to emulate.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Glad still thirty four years of age now the general manager.
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: Well, he's he's really impressive. I mean I didn't know
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: much about him because there's really no way to know
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: a lot about assistant general managers and other teams. They're
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: not in the media a whole lot. They don't talk
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: to the press a whole lot, so you don't get
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: a feel for what these guys are like. You can
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: tell very quickly listening to him and talking to him
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: that this guy is a communicator on a high level.
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: And you might say, well, so what everybody can talk, right,
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: everybody can communicate, But as he said, I don't think
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: it was in that SoundBite. The NFL is so complex
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: and there's so many moving parts and there's so many
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: different people involved that the ability for the general manager
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: to communicate exactly what they're looking for, exactly what they're
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: looking for in a player, exactly what the goals are,
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: exactly what the objectives are, and to get people on
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: the same page and talking and get his systems working,
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: it's very difficult. Bill Poullin, who I worked with in Indianapolis,
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: was very good at that in terms of making sure
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: the scouts knew what the coaches wanted and the coaches
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: could communicate what they're looking for in players. I haven't
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: been around James Glastow. He's never been a GM, so
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: I can't compare him to a Hall of Famer, but
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: he does seem to have that trait of being able
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: to communicate his ideas and his thoughts very well. Think
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: that's very important for a GM, and you know he's uh.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: I don't want to get into a brain braw competition
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: with him. Put it that way, because I'm not gonna win.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: No, probably not.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: He's a sharp guy, he is.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Let's now finish for our final big thing today, the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: path Forward, and it really begins with meetings here at
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: the Combine for the coaching staff. Yes, they're having meetings
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: with prospects and the normal Combine activities here interviews and watching,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: testing and all that, but they're also having staff meetings
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: just trying to get their systems in place, offense, defense
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: and everything. Well, they can't waste any time, so it begins.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: The path forward begins here in Indianapolis. The entire staff
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: is here.
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think this is going to be a topic
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: because Gladstone got hired in late February and you have
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: free agency three weeks away. But I think the way
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: they explained it makes a lot of sense. Most teams
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: don't you think about the calendar, JP, We've been around
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: this for a while. Most teams don't start releasing play
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: for cap reasons and signing. Even other teams released free
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: agents until a few days before the freegency begins, because
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: the meetings are really taking place now. There's other things
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: going on in January, and then they start full bore
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: on free agency right now. So there's I think Gladstone's
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: going to be very busy in the next few weeks
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: getting caught up on, to use his word, calibrated with
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: everything else is going on. But the system that the
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: Jaguars have had in place has been ongoing already, So
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: it's an interesting week on that front. They're bonding. It
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: sounds like they're on a really cool road trip where
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: there's camaraderie going on. I think that's an element for them,
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: But I think in terms of football stuff, I just
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: don't think it's going to set them behind it all
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: in what they're trying to do, And I think by
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: the time the league year rolls around, it's gonna feel
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: pretty seamless and you're not gonna get the sense at
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: all of a franchise behind.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're closing in on the start of the league year.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: March twelfth comes up quick. Yeah, I just thinking them
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: and they made the Super Bowl back one more year,
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: I mean or one more week. So uh, it's a
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: quick it's a quick turnaround the off season for all teams.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: There you have it.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: We're back in a moment plenty more ahead here from
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Indianapolis on Jags A.
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: M Yeah, that's what this is it's being able to
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: be around the guys where we finally have complete you know,
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: basically finalize this staff, really get into the weeds of now, Hey,
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: the communication that we have with each other. The offensive
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: staff is meeting currently right now.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: And then when you get.
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: Into the evaluation and get into some of these formal
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: meetings settings, Hey, we're evaluating coaches just as much as
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: anything and able to give feedback and see what these
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: guys can truly do.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: It's been exciting. Liam Cohen, Jaguars head coach yesterday.
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: The full availability and our.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Conversation with him available at Jaguars dot com and Jaguars YouTube.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: The new season right around the corner of the time
• 22:15
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• 22:18
  Speaker 1: can be at the bank for every touchdown and secure
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: your seats at Jaguars dot com, slash tickets or call
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: nine oh four six three three two thousand, Key Shadwick,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: John Ozer. Thanks to Judy Batista earlier joining us and
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: also coming up tomorrow, John, Jaguars Happy Hour Radio four o'clock.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: You'll be on for a segment. Well, be cool forward
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: to that and then it's.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Frisco and Boselli for what could be one of the
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: final times together.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean four fifteen. I hope you'll join us.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: It's been a great show. Jaguars fans love it. Tony's
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: roles changing a bit, so to have him on the air,
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: you know, arguing with the little Italian guy, you know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: probably won't continue, but it's you know, look, I love
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: the show. They've both been I've known both for well
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: over thirty years. Tony's become a friend. Pete's one of
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: my best friends in the business. Anybody who has enjoyed
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: that show knows it'll be missed in the Jaguars ecosystem
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: is a big word. It'll be missed. But I can
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: tell you this, Tony Boselli, in the role that he's in,
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: is having a huge impact on the organization and an
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: incredibly positive light. He sees the details. He is having
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: an unbelievable impact on the culture already. So whatever trade
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: off of not having him on the air, you know,
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: TB seventy one is you know doing now I think
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: what he's meant to do. So the show will be missed,
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: but he's in the right place.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and one more chance tomorrow to hear those two together.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Uh maybe not for the last time ever, but I
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: mean certainly for the foreseeable future. It feels like and
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Tony should have some type of We'll figure out some
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: things to get him on the air some ways, but
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: it just won't be reacting to a game on Monday
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: as we usually did.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean I think the plan right now is
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: to have a podcast with Tony so.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Well early still, you know, figure out the scheduling and everything.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so he'll offer his thoughts, but just probably not
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: in the same vein as on that show.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: We had some knockdown drag outs of that show. I
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: will tell you.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: That sometimes you didn't. There was sometimes I had no
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: idea what Pete was gonna say after a game. Well, yeah,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: sometimes it's pretty clear. Yeah, you know, and he's he
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: was good either way. That's what he does. Yes, he does.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: So that's coming up tomorrow at four o'clock. We'll have
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: it right here from Indianapolis. Let's come back in a moment.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: We'll wrap up this show. We get a lot coming
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: up today, a schedule of guests who will sit down
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: with us here at Radio Row.
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: And this is jaggs Am.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Welcome back.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: It is jags Am from Indianapolis, the Indiana Convention Center,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Final couple of moments. J P.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Shadwick, John Ozer, thanks to Judy Batista. A busy day
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: to day here on the road.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: John.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: We've got all kind of guests lined up. Mark Ross,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: NFL Media, will join us here a little bit later.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: We'll tape all these and get him out as the
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: day goes along. Charles Davis from like everywhere, CBS, NFL Media,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Sirius XM Radio.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know what he doesn't do. We'll ask him that.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Coming up. Lant Zerline, NFL media draft.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Analyst, very good, get his thoughts on the NFL Draft
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: and the number five pick, especially Rhet Lewis NFL Media
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: went to college at Indiana just down the road. But
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: we'll get his thoughts on what's going on with the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Jaguars organization.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: That's all coming up today.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: We'll have a huddle up with Bucky Brooks that will
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: take a little later this afternoon.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: Also looking forward to seeing Bucky. He's the mayor of
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: the combine.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: He is, you know, I haven't seen him do other.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Take a number to talk to him one of those
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: things he's take and you wait.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Call his secretary and line up some time with Bucky
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: before to that, and you know.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: As we wrap a few thoughts on yesterday with James
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: Gladstone and Liam Cohen, it was interesting to hear Gladstone
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: talk a little bit about how he plans to build
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: the roster. They don't typically get too deep into it,
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: but he clearly leaned toward the draft. I think they'll
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: be participants in free agency. I think over time they're
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: going to want to try to be a draft and
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: developed team. I liked that I would be in favor
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: of staying as far away from free He's as you possibly.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Can front line for you.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, big money, and it sounds like in the long
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: run they want to do that. I also thought it
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: was interesting that Doug Gladstone clearly thinks, like Liam Cohen,
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: that that this should be a much better team quickly.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: He said a couple of times, I think you're gonna see,
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: uh the personnel used a little differently, get a little
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: more out of it.
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: There's a feeling from these guys that you know, they're
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: not saying it and beating the table, but I think
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: they think they can get a lot better really quickly.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: And uh, that's sort of confidence. I don't think it's false,
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: you know, I don't think it's overstating it. But there's
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: a feeling that they get they can get this turned
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: around quickly. There are holes in the roster, there's stuff
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: that has to be done, but I think I think
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: you're gonna see progress pretty quickly.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Great stuff, Johnny, A good show. Let's do it again
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: tomorrow or later today.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: I'll be here.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: It's John Oser. I'm JP Shatterick. Thanks for ourring tire
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Krubos here and back in Jacksonville. And again thanks to
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Judy Batista, NFL Media. Thanks to you for watching Jaggs
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: any