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Capítulo 099: Faketinas · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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  Speaker 1: so thank you. Um next question, well, this is, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not something that we've experienced, but let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about it. So any advice for locas graduating the university
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  Speaker 1: or undergrad in a pandemic? Oh man, this is tough.
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  Speaker 1: This is tough. I mean, I would say, find some
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  Speaker 1: way to celebrate your accomplishment, because truly, to be able
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  Speaker 1: to get through your studies and graduate in the circumstances
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  Speaker 1: that we're in, like, honestly, that's a major accomplishment. So
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  Speaker 1: even though we might not be seeing big graduation parties
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  Speaker 1: way to celebrate yourself because it's a big deal. And congratulations.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sorry because this is shitty. Yeah, I second that.
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  Speaker 1: I want to say, like I've second everything that Mala said,
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  Speaker 1: And I also want to add, like, I know it's
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  Speaker 1: typical or customary to like have a photo shoot for graduates.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have one. That's something I regret. I regret, um,
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  Speaker 1: but I definitely say, like book a shoot, work with
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  Speaker 1: a photographer that you like, or like, if that's not
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  Speaker 1: in your budget, like have your friend take photos of you, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: make it cute, make it and make it festive so
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  Speaker 1: your friends and family. Um, since you won't be able
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  Speaker 1: to have an in person graduation. So yeah, sorry about that. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: it really is. Don sound sarcastic. No, I'm really sorry,
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  Speaker 1: not at all. I'm like really sorry. That is shitty.
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  Speaker 1: It's shitty. Um, it's really awful. And like I think
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  Speaker 1: every year we get questions about graduation, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing, even though we've been out of school now
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  Speaker 1: for like quite a while. But this is like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: newfound for everybody you know, high school graduates, undergrad graduates
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  Speaker 1: graduating without a ceremony, so you know, hugs to y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Find a way to make it cute and celebrate. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I would say to, like, don't feel
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  Speaker 1: bad about giving yourself the break after college is done.
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  Speaker 1: Like if that break is three month, six months a
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  Speaker 1: year and whatever that means for you. School for me
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  Speaker 1: was super draining and really exhausting, and I needed, like
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  Speaker 1: to heal after I graduated because it's a lot of work.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's asking a lot of a person, right, So
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  Speaker 1: I would say to like, give yourself some time to
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  Speaker 1: just recover, because yeah, yeah, I second that. I second that. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so much of our identity I think is surrounded around
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  Speaker 1: these different titles, right, like being a student than being
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  Speaker 1: an employee. And so when you lose that sense of
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  Speaker 1: identity of like when you graduate and you're like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, I'm no longer a student, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: it's really hard to adjust. So yeah, I agree, definitely
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  Speaker 1: take your time do something that you like, find a
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  Speaker 1: new hobby. I feel like we always say that find
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  Speaker 1: a new hobby, but it's true, Like finding a new hobby,
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  Speaker 1: like do something cute, like do something that you didn't
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  Speaker 1: have time to do because you were literally studying or
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  Speaker 1: in class or working multiple jobs to get through school,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so like literally do something just for yourself. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many other things too that we could say, UM,
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  Speaker 1: but I feel like that covers. I think that's good.
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  Speaker 1: I think we gave them wisdom. I think you guys
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  Speaker 1: will be okay now. I think that I think we've
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  Speaker 1: provided many nuggets here. Okay, So this is next and
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  Speaker 1: final question. Um is a d M from a listener,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to read it to y'all. So, she says,
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  Speaker 1: my housemate, she's a childhood friend and we've talked about
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  Speaker 1: it multiple times, but her cleanliness has not improved over
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  Speaker 1: the last eight months we've lived together. Are Lisa is
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  Speaker 1: up in July and I have to tell her I'm
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  Speaker 1: not renewing it. I can't live with her. She has
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  Speaker 1: me out here acting like alnia and cleaning up after her.
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  Speaker 1: I want to preserve our friendship and I know I
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  Speaker 1: just have to do it. And it's not that deep,
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  Speaker 1: don't I would appreciate any and all advice. I love y'all. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is great. I mean, you know, like she could
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  Speaker 1: be she could be dealing with like some ship that
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe she's depressed, maybe she's used to people
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  Speaker 1: cleaning up after her, maybe she's never really had to
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  Speaker 1: clean up after herself. But regardless of what the what
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  Speaker 1: the reasons behind her behavior are, I think it's super
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  Speaker 1: valid to move on and move out if it makes
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  Speaker 1: living for you uncomfortable. Like I think that that's fair.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know this person, so it makes it
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  Speaker 1: hard to give advice on how to approach because everyone
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  Speaker 1: can respond so differently to this type of thing. But
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  Speaker 1: I would say just you know, like just keep it
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  Speaker 1: cute and keep it short and keep it like I'm
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  Speaker 1: just moving on to a different situation. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what would you do they also in this situation,
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  Speaker 1: Like would you tell this person like why you're no
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  Speaker 1: longer living with them? Would you like to tell them
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  Speaker 1: it's because you're messy? I feel like I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess this is hard because I've lived
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  Speaker 1: with messy people that weren't my friends. So it's like
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  Speaker 1: it's just easier to pick up and go or like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's a temporary situation. Um, this is like
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  Speaker 1: during my undergrad but with a friend, like, it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of you want to find that balance of like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I've already told you, so I don't want to be
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  Speaker 1: passive aggressive and lie and say like you know it's
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  Speaker 1: because X, Y and Z, when clearly it's probably they
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  Speaker 1: probably already know it's because of their cleanliness or lack thereof, UM.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, if you don't want to
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  Speaker 1: damage the friendship, it's kind of like, well, I've already
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  Speaker 1: told you once nothing's changed, so let me just move
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  Speaker 1: myself and get out of that situation. So I think
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be like a balancing act of I
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  Speaker 1: think maybe not aiming the person right, because clearly you're
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  Speaker 1: going to move out, You're gonna move out, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: move on from that, So maybe not shaming them, but
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  Speaker 1: maybe just being clear that like you need your own
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  Speaker 1: space and you need UM. I don't know if living
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  Speaker 1: alone is an option, but like maybe that's how you
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  Speaker 1: can phrase it, like you're just ready to live on
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  Speaker 1: your own. Yeah. Yeah, I think it definitely depends on
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  Speaker 1: what you want your friendship with this person to look
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  Speaker 1: like after the move will probably dictate like how it's
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  Speaker 1: approached honestly. Like if it were me, I would probably
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  Speaker 1: just you know, I just kind of want to live
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  Speaker 1: by myself for a little bit, or I just I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. That's hard, but I would say like honesty
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  Speaker 1: is also very good. Like transparency can be helpful because
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  Speaker 1: this person might ask you, you know, well, is there
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  Speaker 1: something wrong, like I do something? Yeah, uh, that is
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  Speaker 1: so tough. This is a tough situation. But I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: you have you recognize your needs and like you're you're
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  Speaker 1: willing to not renew the lease and like your your
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  Speaker 1: firm on that. So that's good. Yeah, prioritize yourself, prioritize
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  Speaker 1: your needs and your mental health and yeah, you're living situation.
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  Speaker 1: But it's definitely stressful. Yeah, like just envision what a
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  Speaker 1: new space is going to look like. I just like
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  Speaker 1: hold onto that image during stressful times. Good luck, Yes girl,
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  Speaker 1: good luck. Thanks for listening, Thanks for submitting your question
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  Speaker 1: the stress the stress um and speaking of stress, the
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  Speaker 1: topic the main the government of today's Got Beat the
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  Speaker 1: Law is a little bit stressful. We are talking about
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  Speaker 1: fake Tina's and this can kind of be lumped in
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  Speaker 1: as a weird things white women did this week this year,
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  Speaker 1: this millennia option um fake as a k A. A
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  Speaker 1: fake Latina, someone who was not a descendant of Latin
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  Speaker 1: America in some way, shape or form, dawning some Latin
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  Speaker 1: costume and taking on the identity. That's what we're defining
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  Speaker 1: as a fake Tina. We're just going to run through
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  Speaker 1: some examples because we noticed there's a trend. There's so
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  Speaker 1: many of them in so many different iterations that it
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  Speaker 1: calls for an episode, not necessarily doing an exhaustive case
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  Speaker 1: study of each person, but we're just going to kind
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  Speaker 1: of run through them and of it. And yeah, let's
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  Speaker 1: get started with I think this person or like story
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  Speaker 1: broke like during the summer. It's kind of hard to
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  Speaker 1: tell now with the pandemic what time is like it's
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  Speaker 1: what time is. But one of the first prominent ones
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  Speaker 1: that I remember seeing and that why I know what's
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  Speaker 1: flooding our timeline was the story of Jessica krug A
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  Speaker 1: k A are formally known as jess La bonvallea cringe
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  Speaker 1: already form as formerly known as Let's get started, Let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about her. Yes, So this is woman has allegedly
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  Speaker 1: and apparently apparently been taking on different like black and
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  Speaker 1: Afro diasporic identities. Throughout her life. She's a professor or
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  Speaker 1: was a professor in academic where at George Washington University University,
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  Speaker 1: teaching you know, Black studies or Africana studies and publishing books.
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  Speaker 1: But at some point she were shifting from being you know,
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  Speaker 1: North African, to being African American and then to being
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  Speaker 1: Afro Latin X and Afro Boriqua was I think the
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  Speaker 1: final landing place for her. Her facial form, her final form,
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  Speaker 1: so Jessica Krug just a k a j Hers is
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  Speaker 1: the combination of black fishing and being a fake Tina
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  Speaker 1: at the same time. And she got called out basically
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  Speaker 1: rightfully so rightfully so by a group of professors who
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  Speaker 1: are after Latina's who had had issues with her. They
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  Speaker 1: were witnessed to or on the receiving end of like
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  Speaker 1: aggression from her and like prejudice and bad behavior while
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  Speaker 1: she was masquerading as after Latina in different contexts apparently
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  Speaker 1: being super like belligerent towards black women and like uncool
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  Speaker 1: and really um I think over compensating and so trying
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  Speaker 1: to be an sort of extreme caricature of like the
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  Speaker 1: South bronx like her Allegedly her mother was like a
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  Speaker 1: drug addic prostitute, like this narrative that she created about herself.
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  Speaker 1: So black women in the academy, you know, began talking
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  Speaker 1: about these different experiences and came forward and said, um,
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  Speaker 1: this is not right. Yeah, she was definitely per forming
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  Speaker 1: like wokeness, being extreme radical like it was very performative.
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  Speaker 1: She was published, you know, academic author, and she also
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  Speaker 1: received a ton of accolades. Right she received She was
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  Speaker 1: a finalist for the Frederick Douglas Prize book prize presented
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  Speaker 1: by Yale's Guilder Lehrman Center for the Study of Slavery,
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  Speaker 1: Resistance and Abolition. She also was nominated or a finalist
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  Speaker 1: for the twenty nineteen Harriet Tubman Book Prize. And she's
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  Speaker 1: just received a ton of accolades and has really been
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  Speaker 1: propelled or was propelled forward and questionably hired because of
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  Speaker 1: not solely for her identity, but because of the work
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  Speaker 1: she was doing and also the way she positioned herself
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  Speaker 1: as a Afro Latina or Bodriqua. And it's very cringeing
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  Speaker 1: to think about all of the opportunities she stole from
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  Speaker 1: actual after Latina's Bodriqua's Caribbean women that are doing if
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  Speaker 1: not the same work or better work, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: so it's that was probably one of the first ones
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  Speaker 1: that we saw. And then I think it kind of
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  Speaker 1: just opened up the floodgates for a lot of others.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, Mala, but in my
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  Speaker 1: Chicano Chicana Studies department at UC Santa Barbara, there were
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  Speaker 1: a couple of fake dinas that I will not name.
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  Speaker 1: They were not They weren't anyone that I took, like,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't take any classes with them, but they were around.
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  Speaker 1: People talked about them. People knew, like, this person is
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  Speaker 1: very white, claims this this chekana maxicana identity, you know,
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  Speaker 1: is white skin, blue eyes, performing cheek, you know, some
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  Speaker 1: kind of chikana identity, wearing beagles, with the galo aesthetic,
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing, right, And no, it's like you like I,
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  Speaker 1: they weren't. They were my peers. I was a student,
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  Speaker 1: didn't write, but I had friends that were graduate students,
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  Speaker 1: and they would tell me about these things that would
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  Speaker 1: happen in in their cohort or in their in their seminars.
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  Speaker 1: And so, you know, I think if if you've been
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  Speaker 1: in academia, right, I haven't been to grad school, but
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  Speaker 1: I was in undergrad but I've I've definitely seen the
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  Speaker 1: fake tinas around, so they definitely exist, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that this one open the floodgates for a ton of
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  Speaker 1: others that we're going to talk about on this episode. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: that phenomenon that you just described is so wild. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't have Chicago Studies at Tufts, so there was that,
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  Speaker 1: but also bought Us is here and he's like if
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  Speaker 1: you hear pop Us, he is on top of me
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  Speaker 1: as we record. He will not let me rest because
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: he's obsessed with me, and whenever I'm on my computer
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  Speaker 1: or my phone, he like is insanely jealous. So we
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  Speaker 1: didn't have Chicago studies at Tesla, that wasn't so much
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  Speaker 1: of a thing. But there's I think to like these
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  Speaker 1: are not there's I think levels right because for example,
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  Speaker 1: within Latini that specifically, there's been so many conversations and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of learning and learning about like, Okay, you
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  Speaker 1: can have indigenous ancestry, African ancestry, but not present as
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  Speaker 1: a black or Indigenous, and there's a difference between acknowledging
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  Speaker 1: mixed nous in your actual heritage versus claiming you know,
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  Speaker 1: Afro Latin X Indigenous. That's not what's going on with
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  Speaker 1: these women. These are like white Anglo sax And Protestant
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  Speaker 1: women who are taking on uh Afro Latin Black of
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  Speaker 1: Latin American mestiza identity somehow or another that they have
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  Speaker 1: zero connection to. And that is where the problem lies,
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  Speaker 1: right and not only claiming the identities, but winning prizes
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  Speaker 1: is which come with money and a claim, and accolades
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  Speaker 1: and especially in academia, are really important in propelling people
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  Speaker 1: towards things like tenure. And we know that the major
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  Speaker 1: institutions do not give tenure to professors of color, to
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  Speaker 1: Latin X, to black professors. We've seen it on Twitter.
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  Speaker 1: The professors tell us, you know, I didn't realize Cornell
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  Speaker 1: West does not have tenure at Harvard. Oh should? I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know that either? What Cornel West does not have tenure?
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  Speaker 1: And apparently he's you know, applied and pursuited and he's
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  Speaker 1: he's been denied and they've you know, there are others
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  Speaker 1: and so here you have this woman who is a
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: white Anglo Saxon Protestant woman who is a white woman well, actually,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she's Protestant. I'll take that back.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she's a loss. But she's a
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: white lady, an American white lady. She's definitely a white woman. Um.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: And I want to say, like I had a professor
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: in black studies. He's like renowned in his field. His
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: name is George Lips. It's he's a white man, and
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: he did his job so well. And so my point
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: is like, you can be a white woman, or you
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: can be a white person and study you know what
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: you're studying, and have these degrees and do this research
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: ethically respectfully all of that. There's no need to perform
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: latin eas right and really reduce it to a caricature,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: a trope, and steal opportunities from other people, from other women,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: other Latinas after Latina's black women. Um. And so it's
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: very cringe e And we have lots of thoughts about it,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: you know, and other people do. We are not the
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: only ones. There are lots of women, a lot of
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: black women, a lot of after Latinas on the internet
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: on Twitter especially talking about it. Yeah, and so if
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: you want to learn more about just la A k
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: A Jessica Krug. You can read it out her in
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: the cut, Historian Jessica Craig admits to posing as a
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: black woman. You can also just type in Jessica Kraig
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: or Jessla Bomballera into your Twitter search bar and it'll
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: all come flooding. She's not the only one. There are more.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: And what's interesting to me is how many of these
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: are women. We're only talking about women today because I
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: think they have gotten the most attention and the most heat,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: and they're the ones that I've seen get called out.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: There was another uh an African American man who had
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: been posing as Afro Cuban. We need to look up
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: his name, but he also um was called out post
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: mortem after he died. His family, his family from Detroit,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: came out and said, he's not an immigrant from Cuba.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: He's a black man from Detroit. And he had published
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: books and you know, established a career based on this
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Cuban identity. Interestingly enough, he was also a professor lecturer
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: at George Washington Universe City as well. So Aio is
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the assumed name, the pseudonym that this individual took to
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: basically take on like an Afro Cuban immigrant identity, publishing
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: books and uh like you mentioned also teaching at g
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: W George Washington University. So I don't know what's going
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: on at g W at George Washington University where they're
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: hiring these people specifically in this Afro Latin X space.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's there's a thread, there's something going
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: on there requires further investigation, I think. I mean, it
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: makes me think and we know this to be true, right,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: but I'm like, the threat has to be that these
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: um hiring committees are probably all white people. I mean
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: that's what I would think. Yeah, yeah, And I think
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: for them there's a combination of yeah, it is true,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Latin X people come in all shapes and sizes and shape,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: and how do white people who are not of the
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Latin X experience how do white folks gate keep or
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: or gauge or assess for authenticity? Is it there? Like?
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: How how can that be done? Is it their job?
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: It also begs the question why aren't there more people
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: of color in the room and involved in the hiring
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: process to begin with? Because would these things be happening
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: if there were more POC in academia? Yeah? Absolutely, I
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: second that alright there. Next on the list we have
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Ladia Hilaria Ilaria, Ladia Baldwin, a white woman that claimed
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Spanish ancestry, which we know is European, but she was
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: still included in a ton of Latin x press, you know, media,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the whole thing, because lat x media loves to associate
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: themselves with Spain, even though Spain does not claim us.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: No no, I mean we can kind of. We will
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: be talking about Rosalia a little bit because she's also
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: somebody who tows that Spaniard Hispanic adjacent enough to Latin
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: x and and she's she's in there. But with Elaia
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: is so funny to me because people have been posting
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: her interviews and stuff from throughout the years where she
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: pretends not to know like English words for things like
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: how do you say cucumber? And it's like, girl, you're
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: from You're from Massachusetts, Like you know what the word
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: is for cucumber? Why are you acting like you don't
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: as if English is your second language because it's not.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: And there was another video that they posted where her
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: mom who is and these are these people are the
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: definition of of wasps right, They truly are their East
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Coasters their New Englanders and her mom is like an academic,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: you know who like presents papers on things. And they
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: showed this video of hilarious hilarious mom, and hilarious mom
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: is just why does all get out like English speaking,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: you know, as it gets and she's talking about her
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: kids and she pauses before she says Hilatia's name because
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: it's clearly not natural to her and she had to
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: stop herself and like, remember, oh yeah, Hillary likes to
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: be called Hilatia dead. Oh my god, it's screaming, oh,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: oh my god, that is so embarrassing. First of all, um.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Second of all, I think one of the things like
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: con constantly ask myself when these things happen, When we
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: see the Latia, we see the Rachel Dolzols, we see
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the Jessica Krug, It's like, how are these lies able
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: to persist for so long? And I constantly asked myself
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: that because it tells me you really have to cut
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: herself off from people to continue this lie, because you're
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: living in a falsehood. Maybe you don't, maybe these people
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: don't have any family, but clearly Laudia did, Oh my god,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: clearly Hilary did. I'm even saying Latia. Clearly, Hilary, Hilaria,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: whatever her name is, right, Clearly she had family. Both
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: of her parents were professors. They have a home in Spain,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: whichever country she says, I mean, whichever region of Spain
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: she says she's from. Um, I can't recall it the moment.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: So there's something. So there is some connection, but she
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: was I'm born there, it's not from there, um. And
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I think that this just raises the question of, like
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: the falsehood that is Latini, that the right that we
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: continue to challenge and question um that we well, not us,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: but well, I mean as a whole right, as a culture,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: as a society, that we continue to put these Spaniards
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: in positions of as gatekeepers, are not even gatekeepers as
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: representations of Latini. That you know, raises the question of,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: like we continue to do this and at the same
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: time deny black Latinos after Latinos exist, right, And so
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: it's just this like constant tension of like white supremacy
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: in Latini. That yeah, there's so much to it because
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: like people are very happy to embrace a white woman
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: as Latina, like very open arms. I was listening to
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: like I wanted to listen to um like an Olivia
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Newton John like Spotify like moment like, I was like,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: give me all of the ballads. And then I think
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I'm so pretty from West Side Story comes on, and
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: of course Natalie Wood plays a Puerto Rican girl Maria,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: and I hadn't seen West Side Story in such a
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: long time. But then I Feel Pretty comes on and
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Natalie Wood is singing in the most horrific Spanish pretend
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: accent I have ever heard in my life, and it
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: was jarring because I forgot or I guess I hadn't
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: noticed before, but it was like, no, this has been
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: going on for some time now. That whole cast did
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: brown face, with the exception of Moreno you know, yeah,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: it is very cringe e. And I want to go
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: back to what you said, mala um Latinos right, the
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Latin community really embracing uh these alleged why people that
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: are performing Latina or actual white Latinos right. And I
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: want to give um Anya Taylor Joy as an example.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: She was shout out the Queen's gampit lovely actress. Loved
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: her performance. But what I noticed is that as as
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: soon as um It came out that I don't know
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: if she was born in at Hndena, if she has
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Argentine ancestry. I'm not not sure what her ancestry or
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: DNA is obviously, but I saw the quickly Latinos were
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: claiming her, you know. And what's the common thread, Yeah,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: the whiteness, the whiteness. And another white one is Roussalia,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: who a lot of people have been talking about her esthetics,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: but also of course her foray and and her her
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: being very much embraced in the music industry and in
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: you know, Latin let's you know, Latin American Latin X
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: arts and entertainment that has been interesting to behold. At
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: the same time, I like her Flamenco stuff, you know
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, I like her Flamenco stuff. But
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: she is capitalizing on, like, you know, these factors and
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: dynamics that we just talked about, especially with regards to because,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: as has been pointed out by folks like, can we
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: name the black women who are being put on the
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: way Rossalia is being put on? No, we can't at
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: this point. And this is where the problem is because
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: if they're in a black genre, if there were a
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: ton of black women and black artists who were being
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: celebrated and put on and get you know, getting deals
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: and records and tours and publicity. Rosalia popped onto the scene.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: That would be a different story. But there's an imbalance.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't matter that there's one, right, because there's these
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: other black artists that pioneered the genre. I wouldn't matter
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: if there was one, right, But no, it's it's the
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: j bond Beans, the Bad Funny, it's all of them.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: They're all white, right, And I think like it also
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: goes to show that even the I mean the white
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Latinos are the weakest link because they've all collabed with her,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: and I can't name, like any black women that they've
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: collabed with. Don't quote me. I may be wrong, but
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I can assume, like, I mean, Bad Bunny had Rosalia
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: on SNL with him, which is a huge platform, right,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: And so it just who are we giving the air
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: time to write? Who are we giving the all of that?
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I'm losing my momentum. But you get me, truly, and
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: and you know, like is right there, Absolutely, there's a
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: ton is right there. There's many, There's many, you know,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Ma Lucca is right there. Ba is right there. Yes,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: there are a lot, There are a lot. Yeah, truly,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: um Rico nasty is Prican. You know all this to say,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: you know, these people are in, are engaging in, or
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: have engaged in some type of fake tina or black
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: fishing combo behavior in one way or another. Right, We've
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: talked about American Dirt and Jeanine Cummins, but we think
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: that she's another example because part of the conversation about
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: her authoring a story like American Dirt set in Mexico,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: this immigrant narrative was what's the connection to the story
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: and and all that, right, like on a macro level.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: And so what came out was Janine having this sort
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: of mixed public history of identifying as a white woman
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: but then also being like, no, I'm Latin X because
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: my grandma was Puerto Rican, right. And we're also received
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: a six figure deal for American Dirt, a lot of money,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: lots of money. We have a whole episode on that
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: will link that in the show notes. You can go
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: back and listen to that. But I mean, the point
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: is it's happening at all the levels industry wide. It
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: does not matter what industry you're a part of whether
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: that be academia, uh in the book industry, publishing industry,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: music and television is happening at all the levels, and
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I think that it will continue. We will continue to
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: see more stories of fake Tina's, especially because it's like
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: a weird phenomenon where Latinos latin X folks are having
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: a moment. But then you also see like studies that
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: say Netflix has it's severely under representing Latinos in comparison
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: to other people of color, right, And it's a very
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: layered conversation. Of course, because Latina that is not a race.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: We know that. Um. So it's just this weird um
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: place to be in where Latinos are quote popular Caribbean
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: culture is like having a very big moment where non
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Caribbean Latinos folks like from Colombia like Jay Baldwin and
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Maluma Um will use Caribbean Herga will use Caribbean accents,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: and so it's a it's a very um it's a
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: weird place to be in. And I want to reference
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Gota because she has done extensive, extensive Twitter threats, She's
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: talked about it on her own podcast, so I want
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: to link her work and reference everyone or direct everyone
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: over there because she has been really pioneering and creating
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the knowledge share about that. So head on over because
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: she can talk about that at great length. And one
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: example of somebody who's been doing this and getting a
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: lot of attention of both the negative and positive honestly
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: not Popluso, who is an Argentinean artist. Um, you've probably
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: seen her colors videos circulating hip on the hipp It
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: is so cringe e and it's weird that she gets
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: so much like she does get a lot of praise.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: She gets a lot of praise, and she Grabbly nominated,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: She's Grabby nominated, Latin Grammy nominated. She's literally doing brown face.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I would say she's also black fishing. Um, she's in
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Argentina and Espana. She has a Spanish accent, puts on
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: a Caribbean accent, which is why it sounds so phony
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: and awkward. Someone on her team told her that she
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: can dance when she cannot, and it's just that is
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: like one of the biggest someone on her team, one
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: of the biggest sins is that someone was like, yes,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: you're a great dancer, because she does a lot of it,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: and she does her own choreography is what I like,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: it seems like, and she does, and every time she
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: comes up on my timeline, I'm like both horrified and amazed,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: like that this person has that big of a platform.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: It's one of those things right where we see it
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: over and over and over again. It's very formulaic. Somebody
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: does something weird, cringe, e, unlikable, bad, just downright bad,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: and people won't millions of people will hate them into fame.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, what's her face? Bad? Baby? That catch me outside?
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: How about right? You know, hated into in the same
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: and start them in millions. And I don't doubt that
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: there's a similar phenomenon here because I think her videos
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: over the past six months have been circulated so much
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: out and people not liking them. But the Internet and
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: the algorithm, the numbers and the analytics don't care what
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: people are saying, just that they're saying something and that
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: it's been scared. So when we drag and we give
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: like all this public hate, we're usually boosting. Honestly, after
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: that hip hip hop a song I forget, But that's
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: like the biggest take, that's like the biggest big you know,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: which is the worst because it's so horrible. It had
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: like three or four million views, and I'm like, Mala,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: our community is responsible for this because we were hating
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: it so much that we gave it three to four
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: million views. Yeah, it's very true. It's very true because
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: it's like, of course, on the one hand, we want
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: to go see so that we can then talk about it,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: because we do what we do, and we talk about things,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: and we're podcasters and it's literally our job to discuss
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: things in the world, so we're going to investigate for
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: you all. But it also is like, that's the other
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: side of the coin, is do the stuff we actually like?
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Are we watching that and sharing that and launching that
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: into into stardom or is it only the stuff we hate?
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: It's true watching they hate. Following is real, um, And
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: because I don't follow her, but when that she comes
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: up in my timeline, like she just did a SATA
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: stack cover and oh my god, it was so cringe
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: e and I like watch part of it, you know,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: because it's one of those things where it's like you
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: can't look away, but you don't want to watch it,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: but you're still watching it. It's so true. It's so
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: true because it's like, Okay, what is she up to now?
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Like what did she do? Now? Oh? My god? There
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: are more still still so uh Tina Basquez, who is
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: a prolific journalist in uh Prism and The Daily Co's,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: wrote about a lawyer the National Lawyer's Guild first Latina
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: president allegedly turns out is actually a white woman who
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: has pretended to be Latina like her entire professional career
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: again um working in like Hispanic serving institutions, getting you know,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: awards and holding titles that are supposed to be for
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Latina as her name is Natasha Alicia or a Bannon
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: and uh I highly recommend checking out the article. This
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: is also another interesting one because again it begs the
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: question like how does the tarade go on for so long?
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: How does nobody no or say anything? But then I
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: also think, like in the moment, like what would one say?
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Like what you know? It's just kind of been thinking
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: about like the question we've been asking, like how do
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: people keep this up? Like if we were to see
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: somebody in real like what would we do? What? What
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: would be? I don't even know? Well, speaking of what
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: would we do? We have received multiple d ms in
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: the past one of the past couple of weeks, right
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: from alleged Latinas in the wellness space, right women alleged
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Latinas performing Latini da um in the tropiest ways for
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: lack of a better word, literally tropes of Latini da
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: um claiming that they were raised with the Latino culture
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: literally a quote. And that makes me say which one, right,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: which Latino culture? Because all I see is a caricature
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: of what you think. So there will be people that
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: remain unnamed because we will not do a public call out, right,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: but just know that if you are taking press resources
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: and are not a Latina and you're taking it away
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: from actual Latina's, like, that is very wrong, very fucked up,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: not ethical. And I want to challenge this notion that
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: like it's not hot to be white or to be
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: whatever it is that you are, because, um, we can
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: look around everywhere the influencers space, arts and entertainment, media, scholarship, academia,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: social justice, whatever the industry is, and I promise you
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: that white people are doing just fine. Like there is
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: no evidence to suggest that taking on a Latin X
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: or black persona is going to increase like your chances
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: of anything or improve your quality of life. What it
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: will do is, because you're a white person taking on
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: the identity, it will ensure that you probably have a
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: leg up in those spaces on actual people of color,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: and it does guarantee that you are going to be
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: benefiting from something that you should not be benefiting from.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: So it's like very weird because it's like they're taking
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: on an identity related to oppression in their mind and
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: going into the more limited pool of resources to then
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: take advantage and benefit when in the large pool with
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: everyone involved, they would I don't know what they do
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: just line or are they mediocre to a point that
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: they feel they need to be in this you know
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: what I mean? They need to be in a smaller
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: pond almost so they were they subtract themselves from the
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: whiteness so that they can benefit over here in a
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: more like curated space. Does that make sense? It doesn't
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: make sense. It makes me question, like do white women
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: just want to be more oppressed, Like they want to
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: be more oppressed in the sense that they want to
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: take on this like other ethnicity or race in some case, right,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: And that makes me think of this beauty influencer um
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: named Amanda and sing. I was following her for a
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: quick minute until she posted some pro Trump things like
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: literally on Christmas Day, and I was like, oh my god,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: how am I following this girl? Unfollowed later to find
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: out like she had been doing some brown fishing, black
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: fishing as well. She was part Puerto Rican and she
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: had a conversation with another beauty influencer, a black woman,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Jackie Aina, and she told her allegedly right in this
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Twitter thread that Jackie Ia shared that Amanda told Jackie
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: that she wasn't getting as she wasn't getting booked as
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: much in the beauty influencer makeup space because white women
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: weren't popular, right, And so I think that what you're
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: saying is right, that they are mediocre, And so they
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: take on this other label of identity of ethnicity, of
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: race um to somehow like stand out or they see
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: that maybe some ethnicity or identity is like quote thriving
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: right now, but don't actually have the lived experience as
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: said identity, right. That is, so I think you're right.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: It's some wild stuff. It's some deep psych a logical
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: weird ship. And again like okay, for example, we can
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: honor and claim our indigenous heritage, what have you. I'm
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: not going to apply or attempt to like be the
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: be you know, a whole public office for you know,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: the Department of Indigenous Affairs what have you. Right, Like,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to seek positions of power or influence
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: or moneys or resources that are designated for Native Americans
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: because I am not living that experience and I'm not
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: a Native American person, right, So and again, these women
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: are like not even doing that. They're taking on something
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: that is like completely and totally separate and apart from them,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with them. And uh, if
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: folks have other fake Tina's that they have known of
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: that they haven't heard of, we welcome you to tell
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: us about them. We're not going to like drag them,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: but we want to know. We want to Yeah, yeah,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: because I've definitely like kind of looked in horror at
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: some of the d m s that we've gotten, like, Wow,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: these people someone that I had never seen before. But
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: when I went on their page, I was like, oh,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: some of my mutuals are their mutuals, like you know,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: and so then it just I don't know, it creates
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: this very weird bubble of like who is performative, who's authentic?
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Who are leaders? I don't know. It just raises a
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: lot of questions. Just know, if you scroll back into
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: our timeline, you will see that we've been Latinas since
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: we were born. Okay, been Latinas. Okay, I've this is
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: not an act. I'm actually hashtag hashtag we live is
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: you have the emotional traumas improving. Um No, it's so true.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: It's so true. We should discuss that. There is also
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: okay because there's layers upon layers. How about non black
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Latinas who are black fishing. That's within the conversation. We're
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: talking about fake tinas, we're talking about black fishing. They're
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: also um a group of Latinas who are like non
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: black Latinas who have also been called out for black fishing.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: And I feel like this is mostly in the sort
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: of like beauty space where maybe they're not makeup artists
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: per se, but they're like batties who are like posting
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: like selfies and like picks, you know, and there's this
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: like hyper sexualization. I think of black esthetics. And then
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: you have non black Latinas and you see the photos.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: You know, there are so many at this point, I
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: can't Jenny six nine. So you can see over time
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: how like their features, their contour, the lip injections, the hair,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: you know, the sewins, the bronzing, the black fishing, right,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: you can see gradually over time how like they have
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: changed their look to look more and more and more
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: like a light skinned black girl when they did not
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: look like that before. And you bring up Jenny six
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: nine because Jenny six nine has also gotten in trouble
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: for wearing braids, and that has been another thing that
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: non black Latinas have been doing, is wearing braids in
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: their hair. That's the whole thing. Yeah, we can talk
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: about that because it's not cool. And then what ends
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: up happening is like folks will honestly have an adverse
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: reaction and for good reason. And what's amazing to me
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: is we once had a guest who shared, this person
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: is not black Latina. They shared once that they had
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: braids put in their hair and that they were out
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: and that a black woman like didn't like her braids
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: and had like a bad reaction to her braids. Right
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: like in person, she literally is literally what happened. She
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: literally pulled her from her box blades and threw her
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: onto the floor. And my thing is, I don't know
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: why non black women keep getting the braids put in
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: when I think it's been established by now that it's
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: like not a cool thing to do. So when we
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: heard when she told us a story, I think part
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: of us was like, why did you why did you
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: get the braid to begin with? Bro, Like, let's do better,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: so you know, and we we kind of had a
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: conversation with her and and I think that it was
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: like a learning opportunity for everybody, but um, yeah, let's
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: not do that, you guys, Like, if you're thinking about it,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: I would say, just don't Yeah, I agree, don't do it.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: It's not good, like to do your basic research. Like
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: there's so many convos on the internet, Like it's kind
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: of an inexcusable at this point, Like you should know
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: better at at this point because I mean especially like
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: there are Alfhi Latinos in our community, in our space
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: and our homes and in our countries, and you know,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: like they're having these conversations. They've been having these conversations
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: for many, many years now, So there's literally no reason
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: to not know better and to not search out that
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: information for yourself. Yeah, and you know, I think that
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of different ways to be inspired by
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: the art of a culture, um and the creativity of
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: a culture. I think that different communities come up with
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: their own like types of expression. And so because we
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: live in multu multicultural societies, we we have all these
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: different influences. But there's a big difference between um, you know,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: drawing inspiration and including bits and pieces in your work
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: or in your style and dawning like a costume. You know,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: you can you can appreciate and even draw from in
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: different ways without like literally putting on black face brown face,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: like it doesn't minstrelsy is it's very extreme. But like
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: what folks point out, what black folks point out, is
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: like these are examples of modern day minstrel cy. If you,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I think, if you truly respect the art and the craft,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: then I think that you don't want to disrespect like
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: the creators and the originators. You know, like if it's
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: if it's a true appreciation, then we have respect for
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: the people that made it. All that to say, um, yeah,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: the fake Tina situation is messy. There will probably be more. Oh,
• 54:10
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• 54:12
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• 54:16
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• 54:19
  Speaker 1: that we miss, Maybe there are some fake tinas that
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: we didn't cover. I'm sure there are more. In fact,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I know there are more because we've seen others. But
• 54:27
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• 54:30
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• 54:33
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• 54:39
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• 56:06
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• 56:10
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