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Ep. 920: News from the Fish Shack - Cornell Bans Butchering, The Alaska Fishing Report, and America’s Youth Speak Out · The MeatEater Podcast

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the News Show. Everybody. This is a field report.
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  Speaker 2: This is a special edition of the News Show where
• 0:09
  Speaker 2: we're reporting from the field. What is it called in
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  Speaker 2: the news Like where the guys out in the field.
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: In the field court, in the field court.
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  Speaker 2: Like if there's a picture that it's like a hurricane
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  Speaker 2: and I'm the guy out being like.
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  Speaker 1: It's getting very windy. Yeah, John, Yeah, I'm like, we're
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: like that guy.
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  Speaker 2: We're sitting on a frame porch on in southeast on
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  Speaker 2: an island in southeast Alaska.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, Seth was.
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  Speaker 2: A great neighbor to a point, and we're over at
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: his place. He built his outdoor shower. So that my
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: place where I go to take a whiz off my
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: out my area, my ledge. Now when I take a whiz,
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: I have to look at Seth's his some of his
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  Speaker 2: garbage and his outdoor shower.
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going.
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  Speaker 2: To put an outdoor shower where he has at my
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: outdoor shower.
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  Speaker 3: You guys can wait to each other.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, is it is?
• 1:07
  Speaker 3: It?
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  Speaker 1: Has it been a problem? No, but I keep expecting it.
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: Do you think that we're just gonna see you taking
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  Speaker 1: a leak? Is that is that.
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  Speaker 2: That I'm gonna be out there, you know, shaking her
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  Speaker 2: off or something, and I'm gonna look over and there
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna be staring at me, scrubbing your pits and
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  Speaker 2: just I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. We shower once it's dark for
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  Speaker 1: the most part. Oh you do.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I like. We haven't we haven't. I
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  Speaker 4: don't think we've done a daytime shower yet.
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: So this show's gonna this new show's gonna be a
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  Speaker 2: little bit different. We are gonna have we have some
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  Speaker 2: news coming in the end. There's some there's some hot
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: news coming in the end. But we're gonna be heavy
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: on our news section because we're gonna talk about We're
• 1:48
  Speaker 2: gonna talk about we're gonna do a field report, reporting
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  Speaker 2: from Alaska or fishing. We're gonna be talking to some
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  Speaker 2: of tomorrow's anglers, today's youth, or they're gonna they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: come do a quick interview.
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  Speaker 1: We've got three of them lined up. Young men.
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  Speaker 2: All you people that think that the world's going to
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  Speaker 2: hell and the kids these days and all that all.
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  Speaker 1: Your worst fears will be realized.
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  Speaker 2: When we conduct a series of interviews with like the
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  Speaker 2: worst of the worst.
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  Speaker 1: We have fourteen and two sixteens.
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  Speaker 3: You have almost fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got like basically a fifteen and two sixteens.
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: They're gonna come on, You're gonna realize that just how
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: bad things are when they come on and share their thoughts.
• 2:30
  Speaker 2: It's worse than you think. And then we're gonna we're
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: gonna get us some new stuff. We got grizzly Bear.
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: We got a kind of an interesting deal with grizzly
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  Speaker 2: bears up in Canada. We got an interesting thing about
• 2:42
  Speaker 2: shooting drones with TSS and are continued reporting on TSS.
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  Speaker 2: We got some news from Cornell, my new enemies, Cornell University.
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  Speaker 2: Used to love them. Now they're my enemies. Really, I'll
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  Speaker 2: tell you, and we gotta And then we're gonna go
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: to a pre recorded interview with someone from Ducks Unlimited
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: about a botchulism Get this, a botchulism outbreak.
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  Speaker 1: Killing thousands of ducks right now.
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: A botulism outbreak killing thousands of wild ducks. But for starters,
• 3:19
  Speaker 2: we're gonna announcing here's the I've been dying to talk
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: about this. We haven't talked about it yet. The Christmas Tour.
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: This year's Christmas tour is coming up.
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  Speaker 1: This time.
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  Speaker 2: We're hitting last year's Christmas tours down South. It was
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: kind of like the Yankees come down South, you know,
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: like Sherman's March all over again. Yeah, but you guys
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: wrecked that place. Yeah, we wrecked it. But this is
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: more in the Midwest. So we're gonna do this year's
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: Christmas tour where you come out all theater shows, a
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  Speaker 2: night of entertainment, guaranteed, laughs, live music, you name it. Monday,
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  Speaker 2: December fourteenth, we're going to be in Grand and Rapids, Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, at Monroe Live twenty Monroe Live. What does that mean?
• 4:07
  Speaker 2: That's a theater, Grand Rapids, Michigan, so very close to
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  Speaker 2: where I grew up. That's where I went to Regular College.
• 4:13
  Speaker 2: That's where I finished. Regular College was in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Tuesday,
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  Speaker 2: December fifteenth, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Turner Hall. Wednesday, December sixteenth, Madison, Wisconsin, Barrymore.
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling there's gonna be a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: That aren't from Madison. They're asking why it was in Madison.
• 4:37
  Speaker 3: I'm not following.
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  Speaker 1: That happens a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Like the people that come to the show aren't actually
• 4:43
  Speaker 2: from Madison, like.
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  Speaker 3: They're coming in from the country.
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  Speaker 1: To I believe you had it in Madison. I had
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  Speaker 1: to come into Madison all these hippies.
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  Speaker 2: You know, So come tell me all about that. That's
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  Speaker 2: at the Barry. That's at the Barrymore Clay Knwke, the
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  Speaker 2: Brent Reeves Me. Yannis Peutelus's in the live tour this year.
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  Speaker 2: Great show again, live music guaranteed, laughs, lots of prises. Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: December seventeenth, So December seventeenth, the christ Meat Eater Christmas
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  Speaker 2: Tour Des Moines, Iowa at the val Air Ballroom Friday,
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  Speaker 2: December eighteenth, Minneapolis, Minnesota, Pantagious Theater. Then the tour closes
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: the sixth night of the tour Saturday, December nineteen, Fargo,
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  Speaker 2: North Dakota, Fargo Theater. Is there any like special guests,
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  Speaker 2: We'll get it all. We'll get to all that later, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: we'll announce that later. December fourteenth, Grand Rapids December fifteenth, Milwaukee,
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  Speaker 2: December sixteenth, Madison, Wisconsin, December seventeenth, Des Moines, Iowa, December eighteenth, Minneapolis, Minnesota,
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  Speaker 2: December nineteenth, Fargo, North Dakota guaranteed last lots of Prime
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: me Eater's Christmas tour. Also the punt gun that we
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  Speaker 2: shot that made our punt gun video about. We bought
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  Speaker 2: it for twenty grand from Rock Island, which is a
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  Speaker 2: premiere auction site for antique firearms and other firearms. We're
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  Speaker 2: selling it back. We're selling it at Rock Island. All
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  Speaker 2: money goes to conservation.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: The auction is on August twenty third. It's part of
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  Speaker 2: Rock Island's August Premiere auction. It is a two gauge
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  Speaker 2: two gauge Holland and Holland punt gun features ninety five
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  Speaker 2: percent of its original paint, custom engravings, and it works.
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  Speaker 2: When we bought it, we didn't know if it works.
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  Speaker 2: It works. We shot it six times. We have the
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  Speaker 2: shell casings. You can have a functioning gun and you
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  Speaker 2: can watch a video of at work. And very rarely
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  Speaker 2: on Rock Island does a punt gun come up, but
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  Speaker 2: this is happening August twenty third. Rock Island is the
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  Speaker 2: world's biggest auction house for antique and historic firearms. They
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  Speaker 2: sell for you punt gun enthusiasts out there. They sell
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  Speaker 2: less than one punt gun every year, so rare. This
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  Speaker 2: is This is the only punt gun Rock Island has
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  Speaker 2: ever sold that they know for a fact works.
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  Speaker 1: How's that for a superlative?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the only one, the one and only.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Jeremy Romero's here, he's not normal on the news show.
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  Speaker 1: Did they know when you bought it from the first time?
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  Speaker 1: Did they know that it worked? No, we had to
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  Speaker 1: find out that it worked. Gotcha, It definitely works. Works great.
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  Speaker 2: The only punt gun that has ever sold on Rock
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  Speaker 2: Island that works well that they know works.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's like when Dirt. When we found out Dirt has
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: a narwhal allergy. Many people probably have Narwal allergies, but
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: they don't know.
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  Speaker 3: They don't have the opportunity to find out.
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  Speaker 1: But he has a certified Narwal allergy.
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  Speaker 2: Now, when Dirt goes to restaurants and they say any allergies,
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  Speaker 2: Dirt can now say, which I'm jealous of.
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  Speaker 1: He can say Narwal. So what did he eat?
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  Speaker 3: Narwal?
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  Speaker 2: He ate it and it took him four times to
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  Speaker 2: figure out that that's what was getting him. Well, his
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  Speaker 2: throat chokes up, he turns bright red, gets all itchy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when he eats.
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  Speaker 2: Narwal the fourth time, we ate a good bit of it,
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  Speaker 2: and then he finally got it in his head.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I have a narwhal allergy. I know I
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  Speaker 1: do now.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know what's been happening, but the four times
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  Speaker 2: I've eaten it, I've had an immediate reaction. Huh, dirt
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  Speaker 2: is allergic to narwal Interesting. We bought the punk gun
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  Speaker 2: for twenty thousand bucks. Rock Island estimates estimates estimate, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: estimates that it will sell for between twenty and thirty grand.
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  Speaker 3: It's a good chunk of chain for conservation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Should you get people out there that want to take
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  Speaker 2: your turn on of the punt gun if we If
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  Speaker 2: the punt gun goes for less than we bought it,
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  Speaker 2: that's a real kick to the nuts for us. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because we went and got the trouble. We're giving you
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  Speaker 2: a shell casing and the gun works.
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  Speaker 5: There's custom made cases.
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  Speaker 2: You have the custom casings. Yeah, they're not cheap either, right, No,
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  Speaker 2: every dollar goes with the Meat Eater Land Access Initiative.
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  Speaker 2: Rock Island is even waiving their fees so the even
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  Speaker 2: more money goes to conservation. August twenty third, you don't
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  Speaker 2: need to be in person to bid. When Spencer uh
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  Speaker 2: Newhart won it at auction. He won it remotely.
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  Speaker 3: Is there Do you know if there's a minimum bid
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  Speaker 3: or how they're doing it?
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  Speaker 2: Don't know, Rockiland Auction dot com. Is a great question,
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  Speaker 2: but I can't answer it. Check out it's a lot
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  Speaker 2: three three eight six. Get your own punt gun.
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  Speaker 5: So you're selling one shell with it so they can.
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  Speaker 2: All so you can bring it to your machine as
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  Speaker 2: the hea mock up the shell and we'll tell you
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: everything we know about shooting it. Shoots great shoots great.
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: Last little bit of deal here the season or season
• 10:12
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• 10:41
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• 10:47
  Speaker 2: time for our news fishing report. Fishing has been.
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  Speaker 3: Spectacular, like almost as good as the weather, which is.
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: Like spectly odd. Yeah, some years are good, some years
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: are not good. I don't know what it is. It's
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: just been a stellar year for fishing.
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  Speaker 3: I when I come up here, I usually expect it
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: to be half the day's decent, half the day's slow,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, temper your expectations.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's amazing.
• 11:18
  Speaker 5: And mixed bag everything.
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, mixed bag.
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: We you know, kings king salmon numbers have been down
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: and there's been a lot of restrictions on king salmon.
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: They must be having pretty good returns in in BC
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  Speaker 2: and British Columbia. I'm guessing because a couple of years,
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  Speaker 2: this time of year it's just closed, closed, no retention
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  Speaker 2: on kings. Then it was like you could have one,
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: you could have two, but you can a non resident
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  Speaker 2: can catch a couple of kings.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's been pretty predictable the last fairly predictable last
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: what two three years. I don't know if that's because
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: we figured out how to.
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: Fish for or exactly what is it's fluttergigs, Yeah, I
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: think so, But if we should, I'll tell you what
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  Speaker 2: doesn't work.
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: Scratch that. Scratch it. I said.
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  Speaker 2: We used to jig a lot of hall but will
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  Speaker 2: leadhead jigs and grub what do you call them?
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  Speaker 3: They glow glow ones.
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  Speaker 2: Kings don't hit them, Nope, But kings like pinks, like fluttergigs.
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: Everything likes flutter jigs. Kings hit flutter jigs deep.
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: So what was that? Deep? Yeah? Real deep. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's the weird thing too about kings is that they're
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: like just ways that you don't picture King salmon. Is
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: we get some kings scattered, but you know we hook
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  Speaker 2: kings that are grabbing a flutter jig that's banging the
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  Speaker 2: bottom in one hundred and eighty feet of water two
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  Speaker 2: feet of water. Yeah, he's down there grubbing in the mud,
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  Speaker 2: which is not how you picture king salmon.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can expect I don't know, a couple
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  Speaker 3: of good opportunities to day. You screwed one up, and
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: screwed one up.
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: Brody's boy, he'll come. He'll be on talking about this
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  Speaker 2: in a minute.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna talk about it. I wasn't in your boat.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he'll talk.
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  Speaker 5: I brought one up today. It was twenty seven inches
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  Speaker 5: seven inches.
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  Speaker 3: There's a minimum.
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  Speaker 1: I threw a twenty six threw a twenty six king back.
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  Speaker 3: We got a legal one today. Hayden got a legal
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  Speaker 3: one today.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's a little confusing when you hook him right,
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  Speaker 5: because you're you're dropping your bottom fishing for halibit and cod,
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  Speaker 5: expecting to really set the hook in something that's going
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  Speaker 5: to give you some fight, and you set the hook
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  Speaker 5: and your line just goes slack. Before you know it,
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  Speaker 5: you're reeling as fast as you can to catch up
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  Speaker 5: to it. It's like you're processing it all happening.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a weird thing about King Sam and psychology
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  Speaker 2: is like a halibit, he wants nothing to do with
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  Speaker 2: that boat. Yep, he wants nothing to do with the
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  Speaker 2: surface of the ocean.
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  Speaker 3: He wants that bottom back in his mind.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not leaving the bottom.
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  Speaker 2: And he's also not going laterally like he's like, he's like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna stay.
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  Speaker 1: Unless you catch him shallow.
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  Speaker 2: Right, then they freaking run like yeah, sethwoods one, a
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  Speaker 2: big one, real shallow and then it took off rye.
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  Speaker 1: But normally they stay glued to the bottom.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, you're reeling, nothing's happening, and you're like,
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  Speaker 3: what's going on? And then fifty yards from the boat,
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: a king salmon's jumping out of the wine.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: If you want to think of it spatially, picture that
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  Speaker 2: you're standing at a urinal like looking down. A king
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  Speaker 2: wants to be around the hole that the pea drains
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  Speaker 2: down like he's like, just down, you mean, a hal
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  Speaker 2: of it, it helps, a hall of it wants to.
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  Speaker 1: Be down in there, yep.
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  Speaker 2: And the king king wants to be up by the handle,
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: the flesh handle the king.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: The king's the spray that's coming out and hitting you
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  Speaker 1: in the knees.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but why king salmon. It's weird that the king
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: salmon thinks the way he does. What does he think?
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  Speaker 2: Like you haven't even even if you haven't even.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Put pressure on him yet. No, No, they're just.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that he has a hook in his lip
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  Speaker 2: makes them want to come up and breach the surface.
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  Speaker 3: And that's when things are gonna go wrong.
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  Speaker 5: So you have to back your drag off right, because
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: your drags tight for a hell of it. So the
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: moment you feel like it's a king.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Oh he's got three miles of slack.
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean, you're like reeling up as fast
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: as you can trying to back your drag off. At
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: the same time.
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  Speaker 4: And then yeah, and the only problem with the flutter
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: is that they're they're heavy and once they get out
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  Speaker 4: of the water with those things, shake them off, Like yeah.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I always think maybe he's gonna knock himself out.
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: Just lay there a few times in years past where
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: we just never took a net with us. So getting
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: those kings into.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: The because you got to know they're legal, and then
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: you got to get a gaff in them while they're going.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: Rough gauge the legality. Yeah, I learned the thing today
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: that I didn't know. I just heard it. Maybe a
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: rumor doesn't sound like a rumor. I heard today that
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: a friend of a friend there's a fish called the
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: yellow eye rock fish. You're loud right now? A non
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  Speaker 2: residence allowed. What?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this gets so complicated.
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  Speaker 3: We've talked about it before, but yeah, Alaska regulates rockfish
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  Speaker 3: in sort of not by species, but almost like by
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: classification of rockfish kind of where they live.
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  Speaker 2: So you have plagic rockfish, shelf rockfish, and slope rockfish,
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  Speaker 2: and each of those buckets has specimens in the buckets.
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  Speaker 2: But there is one rockfish, the yellow eye rockfish, that
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: you have to log the catch. If you're a non resident,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: you have you have to log the catch. I heard
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: today and I didn't know this, and I'm gonna be
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: way more diligent about it going forward. I didn't know
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: that it was this quick because we'll come back at night.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: I don't want to incriminate myself. I didn't know it
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  Speaker 2: was immediate. I heard sometimes you just do it, but
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: the app makes it easier once you get used to
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: the app. I kind of forgot about the app, but
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: the app makes it easier. A guy caught yellow eye
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: ADFG must have been watching with binoculars. They waited thirteen
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: minutes oh for him to approached his boat and gave
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: him a citation for not logging his yellow eye.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like big game. Fill out your immediate.
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: No.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they treat it like no different. And I didn't.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I just like just ignorance on my part, not not
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: doing my work to read the rags carefully. I did
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: not know that it meant like the second you caught it. Yeah,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: we're always you know, I'm just like I said, I'm
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: just admitting the guilt. You know, we'll be like, oh,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: don't forget.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Well, so many of those things in other states are
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: like twenty four hours.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like we catch a bobcat, you got twenty four
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: hours to report the bobcat. I had no idea. You
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: have to immediately, like put in your cooler. But you're
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: tagging it.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: It's probably this. I don't know if it would be
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: just yellow eye. Would it be that way for lin
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: cod and like kings.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Yea of the rockfish, so sablefish yep, all the non
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: resident like sablefish, kings, yellow eyes, link cod, salmon, sharking,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: wing cob.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good to know.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Log it immediately.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: That's a that's a public service announcement for you anglers
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: out there. Log your stuff. I didn't know, but I
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: can tell you what going forward. Like you said, Johnny,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: log book man.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Log them when I hook into them.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yellow kind of can.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: They don't get away much.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: So Kyle, who you'll be hearing from, we're gonna do
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: a quick interview with him. Just part of the Erica
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: is a terrible youth.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Uh. He caught his yellow I went out and trying
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: to get his yellow eyes.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Happen this morning and my little my little boy was like,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: get the gaf, get the gaff. I'm like that fish,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: he can't get away.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: You wanted to.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Fish take on nowhere.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can bring him halfway up and he can
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: get off and eventually.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what, I've seen that happen two times.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I have two times seen yellow eyes and three hundred
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: feet of water come off somewhere on the journey up
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: and I'm not kidding you, ten minutes later whatever, there's
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: a yellow eye floating there.
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: He got barrel trauma. He got enough barrel trauma before
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: he shook the hook. Did he came off.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: As much as he'd like to get back down.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: There, he can't do it. Can't do. Yeah.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: With those things, you feel like you get a couple
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: headshakes in the beginning and then it's just like dragging
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: up something.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, heavy and they got they got a good five
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: seconds of fight.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're digging that automatic that automatic release descender.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We had a guy on this. Here's another hot
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: tip for anglers. Man.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: We had a guy on from I think he was
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: he was was he Nature? Yeah, we had from Nature
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Conservancy and he brought so in Alaska and this is
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: true in other places too, but in Alaska, if you're fishing,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: if you're fishing, I can't think of you're fishing rock fish,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: or there's the potential to catch rock fish, whatever it is,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: you have to have a descender device with you.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of fish species, Goliath groupers.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Or one, I think, and all the rock fisher one
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: that they don't. They don't, they don't. They can't equalize well.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: So when they do a sudden when they do a
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: sudden pressure change from going from deep to shallow, their
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: swim bladder can't regulate like a halib it can't. Like
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: you can take a helvet from five hundred feet of
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: water to the surface and need to swim back down,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: but a rockfish has to very slowly do it like
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: a scuba diver. He has to do a slow ascend.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: So they regulate that you have on board a descender device.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: This guy gave us these pressure sensitive descenders and you
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: can set it one two hundred, three hundred, and normally
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: you're trying to put this little needle in his lip.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, and you're getting all those rockfish have spines.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then you're keeping him longer.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: He's can't he's not cooperating because he don't know what's
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: going on, and you're trying to explain to him. It's like, listen, dude,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to send you back to the bottom of
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: the ocean. Calm down. This descender has like a little plier.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: It's like it's the most ingenious. It's called the sequalizer.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: It's almost like the jaws on a boga grip.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah, sequalizer. It's got the perfect grip
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: for grabbing him. You grab his and it goes. You
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: set it to whatever. If you're fishing a hundred round
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: one hundred feet of water, set it two hundred feet,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: go down, and it just lets the fish go. I
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: watch him on my fish finder. The thing is, the
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: thing is unbelievable.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: And see the fish keep going.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: You'll see it. You'll be watched that thing go down.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: It gets you a hundred and all of a sudden,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: like the fish breaks off you guys, breaks right. He
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: breaks right and goes and like slowly makes his way down.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Man, huh, yeah, we're great. Yeah.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: I've been using that old old school descender and that's
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: that's a pain. Yeah, see Bobby pin looking deal.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I highly recommend the Sequelizer descender if you're a person
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: lives in these areas, but think we're discussing is the
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: peacod deal because halibit have all the cachet. People want
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: to come catch a halibit. When you leave in the morning,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: you say, we're going for haliban, but more and more,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I'm going for peacod, pacific cod.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're hoping for those big waves of just cod
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: after cod.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: That is eating fish so much better because you're here
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: to collect food.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: It ain't about like a big fight out of that thing.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: It isn't eating It is an eating fish. Yeah, we
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: had cod there night. We had hell last night. It's
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: like cod is just a better fish. They call them
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: gray cod or pacific cod. Far superior fish. Not a
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: big fight.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: You're gonna get some some people writing in about that.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I bet soft mouths. You can't.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: You got people you gotta you can't really set the
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: hook real hard on them.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: No, you'll, yeah, you'll tear them, you know, soft miles.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Soft bodies annoying to flay, ye, very annoying to Why
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: is that?
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Because it's their bodies doesn't have rigidity, Like flaying a
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: helb is elegant, Flaying a peacod is like you just
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: feel like you never do it the same way. It's
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: like flaying and it's like flying catfish. Yeah, it's big head.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: A peacock likes that jig tickling the mud now and
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: then I think he's down there and.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Now, and they don't whack it. Sometimes it's just you know,
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: a little tickle. And that's a hell of a fish.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: The fryingest of all fish. Uh oh, here's another gear report.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I so the sequelizer is a hell of a piece
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: of equipment. I bought a ceramic fishing knife because you
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: never have to worry. It doesn't get rusty cheap. No,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: it's a serrated it looks like a pairing knife. It's
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: serrated and it's you just leave it on your boat.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Never gets rusty.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Well, we went to kill a fish with it and
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: the tip broke off and then I dropped it over
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: the side of the boat.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: So I don't know.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: One of those guys that goes on Amazon becaus it
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: a bad review. One star fell over the side of
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the boat. It's like you're like going to buy a
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: product and Amazon and you're reading the reviewers and people
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: are giving it bad reviews for stuff like that has
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with the product whatsoever. Yeah, you know,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: but I think I'm onto something with a ceramic fish knife.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: If you can keep from losing over the side of
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the boat, I have to check it out.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: Do they stay pretty sharp?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Didn't have it long enough?
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I dropped over the side of the boat right off
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: the bat There was an incomplete gear report.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I have to I'll have to come back for part
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: two of this gear report.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: But if anyone's got a hot tip about that, I'd
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: be curious to hear their hot tip. Okay, you guys,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: are you guys ready to bring over our first interview subject. Yeah,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: we're gonna dig into America's youth. Who wants to start? Hayden,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: come on over, Brody's boy, Hayden's coming over.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Here. He is Hayden How Hayden Henderson? Introduce yourself.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Hi, my name is Hayden. I'm Brodie's kid.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: And tell everybody what you've been doing with your time after.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: School running for a cross country mostly.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, yesterday we had a situation. Here's one of the
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: things I want to ask you about.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Yesterday.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: We had a situation where you you.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Weren't breaking along because we were in saltwater.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: You had a king sam and attack your flutter jig
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: and as happens, well, a couple of things happens. I
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: think they swipe at the flutter jig and get hooked,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: or I think sometimes they get lip hooked, but when
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: they're rolling around they get the assist hook, one of
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: the assist hooks in their tail, and then their their
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: lip hook dislodges and then he's in the tail. But
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: either way, he came up ass backward. Yeah, he was chill.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: He comes up to the surface nice, big king, definitely
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: twenty eight inch king.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I grabbed the net, I go in for a scoop.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: And miss oh fish is gone, ooh did you and
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I want the level with me? When you run that
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: through your head, do you think that gentleman was trying
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: just trying to help or do you feel like do
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: you feel like like I cost you that fish?
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: No, it was fighting weird. It was fighting like a howlbit.
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: It didn't burn up to the surface pulling down. And
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: then you said you just hesitated when it came to
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: the surface, and he just paused and was too slow
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: with the net.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but how have you how did it change our relationship?
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: He lost it for you?
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: Were you thinking like, this is a man who's netted
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: many kings. He shouldn't be able. He should have made
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: a mistake like that, or things happen.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Or like I knew he would do that.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: He wasn't talking bad about you behind you.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: It must be it must some with you and Henderson's
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: because I'm out here.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: That's that's the thing.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Lost a lot of Henderson's fish. We got to go
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: to the point where I think they're like, he feels
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: like if he can't have him, no one can.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: I don't even go and Steve's a little fishy. It'll
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: happen to me if I go on Steve's boat.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Brody's wife, for instance, Yeah, Brody's wife nice hell, but.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah in her own boat, not even not even a
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: part of the boarder, her boat lost her.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: You weren't You weren't super bummed out?
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Let me in there, Let me in there.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: No, because I also got that king today. Yeah, made
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: up for it. Yeah, it all worked out. And he's
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: spend in a boat with me and a bunch losing
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: fish form screaming at him for doing it wrong.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: It happens, so it didn't shake anything up. No, what
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: was the highlight of your of your your trip? Your
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: weak fishing.
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: It might have been today because today started off kind
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: of slow. But then we went and got three slot
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: link CODs. I got my king salmon, So those a
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: pretty good day.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, your family went from no legal link cod. We
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: should explain that. You want to talk about it, chick,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: that's tough regulation. Tight slot linkot has to be between
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: thirty and thirty five inches to keep it.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Can I can? I was what four or five years ago,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: it's thirty to forty five yep, And they knocked at
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: thirty thirty to forty something and now it's thirty to
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: thirty five.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: I'm waiting for it to go thirty to thirty one. Oh,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: which we would have had legal We would have had one,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: had one too.
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, it's a tight slot. It's a tight slot.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Thirty thirty five, we had an over we had an
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: over slot fish. Today we had two underslot fish. But
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Brody did you guys did the kind of a miracle
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: thing and hit in one day hit three slot fish.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, those are they're so cool, those fish.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I should clarify you're allowed one over. You're tellingly
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: allowed to linkotta because you're allowed one over fifty five.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: But those don't exist. Oh my god, if you get
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: one of your record out of state.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Record state records fifty five inches, yeah, yeah, the world
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: it might be the world record.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: They're letting you keep a new record.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: It's hard to imagine a fifty five inch link cut.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I used to think that we were going to catch one.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Then Seth looked it up.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, there's got to be a bunch of
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: out there, and Seth's like, well, it would be like said,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: I think I think said the world record was fifty
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: four Wow.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is fifty fifty inches something, yeah, something.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they exist, but uh, interestingly, for a while,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: the state record link cut I don't know about now,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: but the state record linkcot was only from about seven
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: eight miles from here. But remember from the eighties. From
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: the eighties, the.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: State record might be the world I remember looking at
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: up like, who's going to beat it?
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but some mean cool fish.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: So tell me so today.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: You liked it because it started out a slow bite
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: and then you got onto a hot bite.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: You guys, you guys brought in a lot of kelp greenling. Yeah,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: oh I love that fish. You know, big ones too, yep.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: And then uh, you got a king, you got those
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: link CODs, got some black rock fish, got some black
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: rock fish that's the pelagic rock fish, which you're allowed
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: a couple of day.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: If you a day something like that.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: You know, uh you do you imagine coming and fishing
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: to get next to your hayden. Yeah, let's say there
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: was a track, and let's say there was a cross
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: country race, and you had to decide what would be
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: more important to you.
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: There's there's some backstory to this. We do the youth
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: hunt together and I'm missing missing it because I have
• 31:36
  Speaker 8: a varsity cross country race.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: How do they already know they're going to have a
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: race that day because they just like schedule this far
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: in advance. Yeah, you couldn't say like, well, hey, I
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: got a conflict.
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: No, because they're like scheduled by each school. I'm not
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: sure which one. It is called the principal or something.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: You think that's something that's something that they would look into.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, well, they'd be like, hey boy, somebody got
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: hunts playing or anything. We're trying to play in a
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: cross country race.
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: I don't think the race is during the youth season,
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: but it was, it'd be during the trip out two.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: So when you look at those race schedule, it doesn't
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: say for date, it doesn't say youth season, but it
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: might be total, meaning they might be totally unaware of
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: the conflict.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: You gotta answer Steve question though, would you would you
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: skip a week here for a week here? Yeah, because
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: you mean skip a race.
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah, there's really only one chance, but I have more
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: opportunities to go get a deer.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. Any final things you like to add, No,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: not really. What do you think is wrong with kids
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: these days?
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Like? Why are you guys so terrible?
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Just look at Jimmy, look in his hand, look at
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: your out running cross country?
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Fishing? Whatever happen of the old kind of kids?
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: What did they do? They played pac Man in Frogger.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Anything you'd like to add, Hayden, Nope, I wish you'd
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: best luck. So you're trying to be varsity. You're trying
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: to be varsity cross country, which means you're playing up,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: you're dating up.
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: Our team had seven seniorars graduate, which is like a
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: whole varsity roster.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: So I'm assuming also.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: There might be room for you. Yeah, but you're gonna
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: be a.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: What grade tenth grade sophomore.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, got it, and you're looking forward to this opportunity. Okay,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Now one last question for you. This is through the school,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: not through like league or club or something.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the school cross country team.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: God, so you got like little jerseys and everything. Yeah, okay, Oh,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: do you think you're good enough to play college?
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: Know?
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: I going to college for sports was never playing.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Really, that's not what you that's not what you want
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: out of life.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Like for fishing, maybe maybe you can go to college
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: for fishing these days, not Halibu fishing, but bass.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: You gotta go fish little teeny fish.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: You gotta fish teeny fish to go to college for us?
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Isn't that weird? Some of the hell but we're catching
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: out here are smaller than they're small large.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Get the potential, the potential, that's true. All right, Hey,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: thanks for joining man, thanks for having me. You know
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: we're gonna bring on our next terrible kid. Who's up
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: James one, James, Ladies and gentlemen, we're stepping up in age.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: This is what happens. This is what happens to a
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: kid when he hits sixteen.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: He wears the sunglasses.
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: They wears the sunglasses at night, which I recently learned
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: that's from a song.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: James, what's been the highlight of your trip?
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: Probably attempting to shoot a salmon and the salt water
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: because freshwater is illegal. Spearfish and salmon, spearfishing salmon. Yeah,
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: what would give me a better one? Because give me,
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: give me something like a Roden reel highlight, that big
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: link cod that Kaya hook today who will be coming
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: on soon, and that Matthew landed that was over the slot.
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: So right now you can keep him thirty to thirty
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: five inches and this one was thirty eight, so it
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: was over the slot.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I think he was bigger. I didn't even straighten him out.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I just like I held that.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: He wasn't even straight and I held the I got
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: like a flexible tape measure, you know, And I just
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: saw thirty eight, and I'm like, he's still crooked. He's
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: thirty eight. So I just knew he wasn't a contender. Yeah,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: that was the highlight of the trip.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Do you got a better one?
• 35:52
  Speaker 9: What?
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know?
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: Like Kaya caught his yellow like like, oh, okay, caught
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: a slot. He'll probably talk about this, but usually when
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: we go fish yellow eye because it's a one of
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: your fish, it's kind of like you just drop down
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: and get it when either the weather's really bad or
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: you have twenty minutes to burn I mean, And we
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: spent what eight hours, I mean, like an incredible amount
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: of time.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: The first day I said I'm gonna get my yellow eye,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: and like three minutes later I had him in my hand.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Jimmy got his yellow ee kind of on accident, and
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: we kept being like, let's go get Kaya's yellow eye,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: and just that kid, we'll be hearing from him.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: How do you here? Here's a question I'd like to
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: ask you. How do you select?
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Because Kaya was your guest, you brought a guest up
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: to your family place.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: How did you make your selection? Well?
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: Kay always works really hard because he works in the
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: Flagship store in Bozeman. But before that, he's always had
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: an interest in like saltwater fishing because his family never,
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: as you know, didn't have any sort of interest in
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: like hunting or fishing.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: And when that started to becoming a little bit more
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: prevalent when he was friends with me, he started to
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: like saltwater fish and started to get more interested in that.
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: So over the two years that I've known him, that
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: just became more and more of a thing. So I
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: thought that he'd be a good person to have up
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: here and try fishing.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: And then how you feel about the decision to bring
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: a friend up.
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: I think it was a good idea. I think Cock
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: of the Cove is in his reach.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah he could, Yeah, he could. Yeah, he could be
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: in the running for Cock of the Cove. The running,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I guess you're running. Yeah.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Uh so your highlights were all around your friend now,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: but your other highlight was trying to get a samone
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: with a spear gun, which is which is difficult, very
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: more difficult that I would have imagined.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: But you've done it successfully before.
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, more in a different creek than that when they're
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: a little bit more packed together and not as spooky.
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: But I think because it's a little later and the
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: seals have been chasing them around and the water quality
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: is so terrible that just trying to get one in
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: range is a little bit more difficult.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: So one just just be clear, since we're law dog
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: and like, uh, you just said in a creek, can
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: you explain what you mean by the different creek.
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: Not in a creek, but outside of the mouth of
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: a creek, there's like where the salt water reaches the
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: fresh water. If you go just beyond that to where
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: it's actually legal, there's two that are kind of bordering
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: next to each other, but there's two different species of
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: salmon that run there. We have pink salmon that run
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: in the one to the left, and then in the
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: one to the right there's more silvers and pinks, which
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: is a little bit and silvers hold up a little
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: bit better in a freezer. So that's the one that
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: I was trying to get one closer to that.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: So the REGs work that you can't spear a salmon
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: in fresh water, so you need to imagine the contr
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: the shoreline contours and draw a line where you like,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: imagine that the stream isn't there, so it's a little
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: estuary or mouth or whatever is off limits. But you
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: can be out beyond that line. If you imagine the
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: shoreline contour where the creek flows in, you can be
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: out in the salt out there. But you're sort of
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: targeting fish that are congregating to run.
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're just getting them because especially if you go
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: all the tides falling, the fish will like be pushed
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: out into the ocean a little bit more, and that's
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: where you can try to shoot him.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Then what are they doing, Jim, when when they see
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: you moving around, they.
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they don't like it at all. But what kind
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: of gives you an advantage is if you run closer
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: to the bank, those big schools when they're coming at
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: you will split on either side, and because they kind
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: of don't know what's doing, just follow the other fish,
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: like the one in front of them. If you try
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: to cut off the group that's going along, like if
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: I was going up, like if there was a group
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: of fish to my left, if I were to start
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: swimming that direction, I would cut them off to a
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: shorter area where they'd be pushed up more to the
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: bank and give me a closer shot with.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: The spear gun. Gotcha what I do?
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Because you're in shallow so you can stand up and
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: look for the wakes and swirls, you know, and then
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: crews down the shore line trying to find But.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: You guys, ever, just stay in one spot.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've done that. It's hard.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Well, it's boring, as I'll get out. Then you can
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: stand up and you're like, oh, I should just swim
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: over that way.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: You wouldn't spook them as fast doing that.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: No you don't, but no, they but they know, like
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: they know you gotta you know, you move your gun.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: They kind of recognize because they're getting hounded by seals
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: and sea lions, so they're on high alert.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: Man, you guys need like a gilly suit.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: What about how there's kelp lines, you know, and they'll
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: travel those kelp lines. Just getting in there in ambush again.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: You get in there and you're like, is the greatest
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: idea that ever had, anybody's ever had? And then like
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: a couple minutes later, you're like, yeah, look around. It's
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: just like last night. I had that idea last night,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I got into some weeds held on.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: They're like, I could.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Sit here all night, right, I don't know. Then you
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: just go. But yeah, hunting out in the kelp was
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: a good idea.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: There's also a lot of interesting stuff in there, Like
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: you can find an octopus in Greatly Yep, they're down
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: at the bottoms of that.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: A lot of crabs, little rock crabs you see diving yep.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: What else?
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: You got any other thing you'd like to add we're
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: gonna hear. We're gonna hear from your friend Kaya in
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: the second here.
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he plays basketball.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: M hmm, we'll get we'll get into that. Well, what
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: do you feel is wrong with today's youth? Why are
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: you guys so terrible fishing and all that?
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that makes us pretty awful. And then we all
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: have phone addictions.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: So but your phones don't work here.
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: Our phone's don't work.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: That's why.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: That's why I like you so much more out here.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on, James, appreciate it. Oh, Jimmy, if
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: you want Jimmy, Jimmy likes taking photographs. You can go
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: see some of Jimmy's photographs as you go on Instagram
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: to at Jimmy Renelo.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Is that what it is at Jimmy Renello. Yep, he
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: likes doing nature photographs.
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: I'm kind of trying to copy Seth.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Seth's been giving him some pointers. Yeah, you're doing good,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: thank you. Yeah, go check out his photos.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Also, for you people that are listening and not watching,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Jimmy is wearing a USS Jimmy Carter SSN twenty three
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: nuclear sub hat. I found that hat beach combing, probably
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: seventeen years ago. You want to know a story about
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: that hat. I don't even like telling this story because
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: it makes me feel sick. I had that hat for
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: years and years, and it got real moldy, and I
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: looked at it for a couple of years. I looked
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: at it and I thought, I'm gonna burn that hat.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know why, just because I was in a
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: real clean up mood. You ever get a real cleanup mood?
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: And I assembled my burn pile and gassed it, got
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: all my gas on it, yanked it out the last second. No,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: and I threw the hat on there. It seems like
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: something from a movie. I threw the hat on there,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: but the eruption on the when it catches ye shot
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: the hat really off the burn pile. And then I
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: felt that I was being spoken to by a divine message.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: You got to serendipity. And I looked up at the
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: skies and I said, never will I ever again attempt
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: to dispose of this us as Jimmy Carter hat.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Do you like to think that the captain of that
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: sub like they surface, He opened, took the look around
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: his hat blew off.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: He the captain the sub was down there and he
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: surfaced because he thought some Rouskies, Rooskies, Chinese North Koreans,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: bad players, Iranians, and he wanted to get a look
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: and he said, boys, bring me up because he felt
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: that he feels something wasn't right. And he stuck his
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: hat out, head up out of there to look out
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: that hatch.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: And the wind took it and you found it.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: And then he saw that enemy ship and just got
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: the I'm sure there's probably some kind of machine gun
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: monitor on the top of that sub and just like.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see it, see it happening, And.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Now that hat's mine, all right, James, thanks for coming on, buddy,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Okay, send over your friend, our last and
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: final interview with today's youth. So y'all know what's coming.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Kaya, Yelson, yelchin, stay m yelchin, yelchin, yel chin. Kyle,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: your father was not born.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: In America, born in Turkey, Okay, And and he came
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: to America with not a high level of familiarity with
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: the American sporting traditions.
• 45:01
  Speaker 9: Not at all, not at all. No such thing as
• 45:04
  Speaker 9: hunting overseas in Turkey. Yeah, but probably a little fishing,
• 45:07
  Speaker 9: though I'm not too sure about that.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Move your mic closer to your pace. There gotta be
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: a little bit of fishing just about everywhere.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: So however, your I mean, I know your parents. I'm
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: friendly with your parents. Your parents are great parents. Yeah,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: they did a great job with you. I love you.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: You're a great kid. I enjoy every minute I spend
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: with you. Thank you.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: How has it been.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: How has your parents received you becoming being getting into
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: fishing and hunting and all that when it wasn't something
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: that they were super familiar with.
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: I think my mom was more of me pro going
• 45:40
  Speaker 9: out hunting and fishing because her dad was a huge hunter.
• 45:44
  Speaker 9: Like I took his gun over. He had a few
• 45:46
  Speaker 9: rods that were broken. But my dad had none of that,
• 45:49
  Speaker 9: no experience of going out hunting, fishing, any of that.
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: So he's a little bit of skeptical about it. But
• 45:54
  Speaker 9: once I brought home the you know deer, you know fish,
• 45:57
  Speaker 9: all that stuff, it's just been amazing. He's been cooking
• 45:59
  Speaker 9: all the that get into some.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: So they weren't squeamish at all about eating the wild
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: game or anything.
• 46:06
  Speaker 9: Now my dad's he he doesn't he says he doesn't
• 46:11
  Speaker 9: like doing it himself, so I think he wasn't too
• 46:14
  Speaker 9: mad about me doing it, yep.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: But when Kay got his first year, his father came
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: over and we got it all processed up. His father
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: came over to check in out on the whole situation
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: and find out what was going on. And then and
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: then and then they.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Cooked a bunch of deersh yeah, a bunch of left great. Uh.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: And you you anticipate that they like the fish, I think,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: so move your mic close to your face. Well you
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: want to me is like like a finger off. Now
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: you're getting there.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: What was some of the highlights of your your weak fishing?
• 46:46
  Speaker 9: I think catching a link caught on my first day
• 46:49
  Speaker 9: was probably right off the bat. Yeah, because I've been told,
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: you know, people take weeks to catch one of those
• 46:55
  Speaker 9: and take the slot living. Yeah, and then take one
• 46:58
  Speaker 9: day to catch yellow eye for you.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: He pulled it up and that soccer was like thirty
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: and eighth, right.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: In the slot, very close, right in the.
• 47:09
  Speaker 9: Slot, really in that LINKA with Matt today was pretty fun.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: So big one we had let go and that was cool.
• 47:16
  Speaker 9: But and you know, just hanging out here with everyone,
• 47:18
  Speaker 9: meeting everyone, it's been pretty fun.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: All right, man. You like the food.
• 47:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I love it, eat like fish. Yeah. Yeah, all right,
• 47:26
  Speaker 9: thanks for coming on, thank you.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, tell us about your sporting activities.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're a basketball player.
• 47:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah. I've been through a bunch of different sports, you know.
• 47:34
  Speaker 9: I did soccer, swimming, basketball, you know, all of the above,
• 47:39
  Speaker 9: but been focused on basketball a lot recently. I did
• 47:42
  Speaker 9: football two years, but then I quit that because duck
• 47:44
  Speaker 9: season's coming.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: So and you don't you don't anticipate, like you're not
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: trying to be like a college.
• 47:51
  Speaker 9: Basketball No, not at all. I don't. I'm not looking
• 47:53
  Speaker 9: for it.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: Position are you playing?
• 47:55
  Speaker 9: I've been put it all. I'm probably more of a
• 47:57
  Speaker 9: big than a guard though, because there's not a lot
• 48:00
  Speaker 9: of big kids in our team, so I have to
• 48:02
  Speaker 9: kind of fill that spot.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: As a tall kid.
• 48:06
  Speaker 9: Not really my thing. But you know, as long as
• 48:09
  Speaker 9: I'm out there, I do really care what I'm doing.
• 48:10
  Speaker 9: And you're gonna play again this year, hopefully varsity.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then is that like the kind of deal,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: like the cliche.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Is that the football player like that, the girl girls
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: like the football players.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Do you find that to be true?
• 48:27
  Speaker 9: As a high scorer, when I was little, i'd watch
• 48:31
  Speaker 9: movies of high schools and I see all the jocks,
• 48:34
  Speaker 9: and I would think that, but nowadays it's kind of
• 48:37
  Speaker 9: not really so.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: So women have a place in their heart for a
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: basketball player.
• 48:42
  Speaker 9: Not so sure about that either.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: But what do they like these days, haunters, fishermen.
• 48:48
  Speaker 9: I mean, they'll go for anyone at this point.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, thanks for coming on the show.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, especially like the part where
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: you had the in depth thoughts about the girls. Ladies.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: But real quick, you guys these days have your own
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: little vernacular. There's there's a there's a stage of a relationship.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: This is the main thing I asked these guys about
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: because it's so puzzling to me. A relationship has a
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: stage called talking to? Yeah, can you explain For people
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: that are older, it's.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Kind of like.
• 49:30
  Speaker 9: Meeting when you meet them for the first time and
• 49:32
  Speaker 9: you get to know them, that kind of stage.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: But what would have been the equivalent before they called
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: it talking to?
• 49:39
  Speaker 9: I remember talking to you about this a ways back.
• 49:41
  Speaker 9: You called it you guys are seeing someone? Is that
• 49:44
  Speaker 9: what you called it?
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: People used to say seeing yeah, and it meant like
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: definitely not like your girlfriend, boyfriend deal, but you were.
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: I was like friends with benefits.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's like you're like it was like it
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: was it was a very early stage.
• 50:00
  Speaker 9: That's that's exactly what talking to is.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: So you don't ask, you don't you just you don't
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: verbalize to a girl that you're talking to her.
• 50:07
  Speaker 9: No, it kind of just happens.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Like you never say that I would like to be talking.
• 50:11
  Speaker 9: No, no, no, you don't ask.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: It's like, hey, you want to talk because hey, I'm
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: talking to you.
• 50:20
  Speaker 9: Yeah, like going and someone say, I'm talking to this
• 50:23
  Speaker 9: girl right here.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: So you but you get a feeling that you're talking.
• 50:26
  Speaker 9: It's kind of you can kind of tell after either
• 50:28
  Speaker 9: the first you hang outs if this is going to
• 50:30
  Speaker 9: go somewhere or not. So it's kind of implied that
• 50:32
  Speaker 9: if it does that you're talking.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, and then but then the next step then you
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: would formalize it.
• 50:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah, with a you know sign if you want to
• 50:40
  Speaker 9: do you?
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: So, where do you have a girl? Girl? Someone?
• 50:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah, they're they're a thing.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: So you got a formal girlfriend. He has a formal girlfriend.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I know that, you know.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: I like her. I told her one day I would
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: rather need to die than her inconvenience.
• 50:58
  Speaker 9: Late to the bell to school.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Die I like that girl a lot. She's great.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: So where you are you single? You got a girl?
• 51:09
  Speaker 9: Or I'm talking to someone, I'm in the early stages.
• 51:11
  Speaker 9: Gotcha you talk early talk seeing someone? Well you your
• 51:17
  Speaker 9: early talk right now stage. No, I'm just I'm in
• 51:21
  Speaker 9: the talk.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: But you haven't talked about talking.
• 51:24
  Speaker 9: No, not talked about talking.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: So if you asked her, would she say I'm talking
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: to someone? Yeah? How do you know that she knows?
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: That's a great question. Is she right now somewhere saying
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: she's talking to you? Or would she be like, I'm
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: what him? No, I'm not.
• 51:40
  Speaker 9: I'm not sure how that works, because I think you
• 51:43
  Speaker 9: ask are we talking? You kind of just hope that
• 51:45
  Speaker 9: they are, Like, you know, have enough respect to say like, yeah,
• 51:51
  Speaker 9: I'm You don't say I'm talking to someone, but you
• 51:54
  Speaker 9: don't say I'm taking either.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Do you ever worry We're not gonna go on about
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: this all night? But like, do you ever worry that
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: she doesn't even know you're talking? And here you are
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: talking about talking to her and she doesn't know that
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: the talk is happening.
• 52:10
  Speaker 9: Could be, but then there's always another girl to talk
• 52:13
  Speaker 9: to you.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 52:17
  Speaker 9: I'm not saying there's a list, but there's always someone else.
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: Well, you should throw that you're a deep dropper.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Now to your repertoire.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, now you know this kid. All the kids
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I had four? How many kids are on my boat today?
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Four? No, I had three my entire deep drop session.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: They were all three, I'm not kidding from from before
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: I began to after I quit, they were all asleep
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: in the boat.
• 52:42
  Speaker 9: I woke up a sheet times to you deep dropping.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't offer a hand.
• 52:51
  Speaker 9: I was knocked out, all right.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Well, thanks for coming on, Kyle.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Thank you appreciate it.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Man. Of course, onto the news, the actual news.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is a little bit of your news because
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: this is something that guy wrote in about TSS.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Here's the deal. That's interesting.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: The other day of my wife comes in the house
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: all worked up, seth checking on something. She comes in
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: the house all worked up because someone's flying a drone
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: over the house and I was going to shoot the
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: drone but then it was gone. Someone was saying, if
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: they stopped making TSS for Turkey hunters, there now is
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: anti drone TSS from European manufacturers, an anti drone load.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, so a load.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Design if you bought a shotgun load for drones. They
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: loaded with number seven tungsten five shots for one hundred bucks.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: So it's a box of turkey shot.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: It's a tungsten drone twelve gauge tungsten drone two and
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: three quarter inch casing. Okay, one in a eighth So
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: a drone round has one in a eight ounce tungsten
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: one in the eight ounce of tungsten shot a turkey
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: load standard TSS load one in three quarters ounce, Okay,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: a turkey a drone round two and three quarter your
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: standard turkey round three inch, So it's a little shorter,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: a little less shot. Your typical drone round muscle velocity
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: thirteen twenty nine feet per second, a turkey load twelve
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: hundred feet per second. The pellet count on a drone
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: round two hundred and eleven pellets on a turkey round
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: three point thirty.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: Now, why is tungsten better for drones than.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Lad Probably all the same reasons. Flies faster, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: or not? Should say fly sorry? Holds you know right, heavier,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: better penetrator.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: Drone round might Turkey hunters might have start looking into
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: drone rounds when things get tough.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's another interesting news bit. So you know.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: In Canada, Alberta opened up a thing they call in
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, they opened this up. This is a
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: very interesting program. They opened up a program called the
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Wildlife Responder Program where it allows an Alberta resident to
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: apply for an opportunity to respond to problem wildlife issues
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: throughout the province. They opened the program for elk and grizzlies.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: So a guy wrote in here who applied for the program,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: got a call and went out and got a problem
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: grizzly that would never fly in the United States. Man, Yeah,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: got a problem, got a problem grizzly. It'd be great
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: if they could do it here. But they'll just never fly.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: It's a great idea.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: I want to I'd like to know if they're like
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: escorted by a fishing game official when they're doing it,
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: or they just.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Go I don't believe, so, man, I don't believe. So
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: you can apply for a zone. Okay, it's open for
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: elker grizzlies. The albert is broken into three zones. Applicants
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: apply for a zone. Okay, it's a true lottery draw.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: But if you're a successful applicant, that requires you got
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: to be on twenty four hour notice.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: So that's right now, that would be the basically the
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: only opportunity to get a grizzly in Canada.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Correct, like BC ban their grizzly Okay, I got you, Yeah, gotcha.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: So you get a call that some guy's got a
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: problem bear, you got twenty four hours to get over there,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: and instead of because think about the alternative, like what
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: they do, like what they do in my neighborhood when
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: there's a problem bear, they send a game warding out
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: and he's got the barrel traps and all that barrel
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: traps them and they euthanize them and throw them a dump.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's a.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: Black bear, yeah, give the opportunity to a hunter.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Like image you call them be like, hey, hurry up.
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: Yep, I'm curious, Brody. You made a good point, like
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: is there a game war that goes out with them?
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: How are they iding the problem grizzly bear? How do
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: they know which ones will.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Be sure that the game warden gets involved? Determined? Actually
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: is a problem.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, It's a lot different than going and shooting you know,
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: some elk that are raising a haystack.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: You know, here's another news story This is the saddest
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: is when the news show takes a sad turn. Cornell
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: bans wild game processing in dorms. What a long and
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: sordid story. This is so Yeah. What I like about
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: the story this is the New York Times. What I
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: like about the story is all the quotes from The
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Hunter are pulled from our podcast, Interview with the Hunter. Yeah,
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: and it talks about our podcast. In the New York
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Times article about the situation, some I put this headline
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: up on social media and some jack off.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Was like, they should have never been gloating about it.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Never be an issue.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: If they weren't gloating about it, that's not what made
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: it an issue. No, them gloating about it didn't. It
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: was an issue long before anybody said a word about it.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: What happened was these two guys at Cornell went out
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: and we interviewed them.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: One of them.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: They went out bear hunting and got a bear. They
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: looked at the rules. They thought about going to friends
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: didn't work out. They looked at the rules and realized
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: there's not a rule like you can you can prepare
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: food in the door in like the dormitory kitchen. They
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: went to the dormitory kitchen, got all their stuff, got
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: a tarp and everything, and kept it all clean. Went
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: to the dormitory kitchen and processed their bear. A bunch
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: of students then a bunch of whiny kids had a
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: little shit fit, and they called the cops, and they
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: called the university people. The game wardens said they didn't
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: do anything wrong. They had they killed the bear legally,
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: they had a permit. It's not against the rule to
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: butcher bear at Cornell. Nothing happened to them. Cornell waited
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: appreciable amount of time. And now the new student handbook
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: says no cutting up, no processing game animals in the
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: dormitory kitchen. The spokesperson for this is what really gets
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: my goal. It's not so much the rule. It's not
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: so much the rule. What gets my goat is that
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: the spokesperson said, bring it to a processor.
• 59:53
  Speaker 9: Hm.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: No, the makeup, make an area for process.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah, I still think of these kids as American heroes. Yep.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: Now that's that's too bad.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go to Penn State.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: You know that they let you process there. I mean,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: no one asked. They're pretty friendly that stuff. At least
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: they used to be. Yeah, they used to be a comment.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: Here's a comment from the New York Times comment section.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: Bear meat is exceedingly nasty. Only fools are starving People
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: eat bears, same with dog, same with venison, and elk. Beef, pork,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: and chicken make up the Holy Trinity of meat. You
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: don't need to eat any other flesh unless you can't
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: afford one of those three. And don't talk to me
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: about fish and seafood. Bears are much better than that
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: yucky stuff.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, beans are better than the
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Holy Trinity of meats. That's a comment, not a big
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: beat guy.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: So that's all over.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: I thought about you know, I'm out of the game here.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: I already went to school and did all that. I'm
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: not going back to school. I was deeply offended. Yeah,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: and I called for a boycott. I called for a
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: boycott of Cornell, not that that would have any impact
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: on anything. And it was a joke when I said that,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: but still, yeah, it's too bad. You know, there's a
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: couple of good kids, because for a minute they were
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: the coolest school in the country.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were the coolest school in the country.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: We're gonna keep using that bird app.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: I'm still gonna use my Merlin app. I still got friends.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: I still count the Cornell people among my friends. They
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: still made the one the like, you know, one of
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: the top five greatest apps ever made, being like it's
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: like up there with on X.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: The people who made that app, though probably I wouldn't
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: agree with that either.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: No, well, some of the people that made that app.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: I know that some people that worked on that app
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: or hunters.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so maybe they should be connected and the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: next bear could be skinned at the Cornell lab Ornithology.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: There you go. That's a good idea. Okay.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: From now, we're gonna go into We're gonna close the
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: show out. We're gonna go and do this is gonna
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: be the last news segment on the show. We're gonna
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: do our We're gonna talk about an avian botulism outbreak
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: that is killing thousands of ducks. Here's Mark Okay, right now,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: we're joined by Jeff McCreery, who's the director of operations
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: for the Western region of Ducks Unlimited. We're gonna be
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: talking about something that's going on with an avian botulism
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: outbreak that is killed somewhere around ten thousand ducks this year.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: And where this is happening is the Klamath Basin. Jeff,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: do you mind explaining to people what is the Klamath
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Base and what does it mean to ducks?
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 7: Yes, Steve, the klam Of Basin is one of the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 7: most important areas for waterfowl in North America. Is essentially
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 7: the neck of the hour glass for the Pacific Flyway
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 7: from birds coming from the Prairies and Alaska down to California.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: And it serves every part of the life cycle for
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: birds from production, migration, wintering, and multi.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: And then what is how many ducks utilize that area?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Is there a way to take a stab at that?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: Sure? And not as many as they're used to. In
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: the nineteen fifties they counted three million pintails just on
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 7: one of one part of the wildlife refugees at Tuley
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: Lake Refuge up there. So there's three million pintails. There's
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: not three million pintills alive today on the planet. Wow,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 7: I would say, yeah, it's been a big it's been
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 7: a huge fall from the highest way back in the
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: last part of the nineteen hundreds. There but approximately seventy
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: five percent of all water well in North America use
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 7: or in the Pacific Flyway, sorry, use the climate basin
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 7: and the Central Valley or Great Salt Lake at one
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: point during their life cycle. So it's critically important for
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 7: just a huge number of Pacific Flyway population.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, now, what is what is avian botulism?
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: Like when I think of the word botulism, I think
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: of the in the old days, if you didn't properly
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: can veget like if you were home canning, that was
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: your risk that you would screw up a home canning
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: job and and kill your family with botulism. But what
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: is avian botulism?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: How does it? How is it living in the water.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 7: It's very similar to the same bacterium that you'll find
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 7: when you don't can your food rate, But aviian bosulism
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 7: is a bacteria that lives in soils. It uh proliferates
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 7: in shallow warm water water and high temperatures, which is
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 7: exactly what we're staying in the two refuges right now.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: Okayilism in and of itself doesn't kill birds, but it
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: has a neurotoxin that gets released when the birds ingest
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 7: let's say larvae or grubs that are carrying this bacteria,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 7: and when the neurotoxin gets to a certain threshold, it
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: causes a paralytic effect on these birds. So what happens
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: is the birds slowly and sometimes very rapidly start to
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 7: be paralyzed and their neck starts to droop and they
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 7: can't hold their neck up and their head falls in
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 7: the water and they drowned. So they're not dead directly
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 7: from botulism, but the secondary effects of the neurotoxin.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Oh no kidding, Okay, yeah, that's horrible. But it's naturally occurring.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, it's naturally. It happens every year in the Klamath Basin.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 7: It happens all over the Inner mount West. We've had
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 7: massive die offs in the early nineties and Great Salt
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 7: Lake there's a million birds that died there from a
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 7: botulism outbreak. So it's a nat occurring thing. But in
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 7: the Klamat Basin it's largely preventable.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: And then it's bad. It got bad this year because
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: then you already alluded to this. It got bad this
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: year because water levels are low and the water is hot.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, that's what's going on right now. So everywhere across
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 7: the West. If your listeners are thinking about what they're
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 7: going to be doing this fall. It's going to be
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: hot and dry. There was almost no snowpack in the West,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 7: and Klamat was exactly the same. There's very little, if
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 7: any snowpack on the ground. Great spring rain, lots of
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 7: great wetlands, lots of great productivity from a waterfowl perspective,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 7: but that water's all done. The snow was not releasing
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 7: the groundwater and slow, so we're running out of water.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: And these this this approximate ten thousand ducks that died.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: When did this die off? When did you start seeing
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: evidence of this die off?
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 7: We started seeing this evidence about a month ago or
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 7: so they started finding the first few birds, which is
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: actually about maybe three weeks earlier than when we typically
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 7: start seeing dead ducks up there, which is about now.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 7: And as the temperatures are increasing the water levels are dropping,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: the number of birds that were estimating or dying each
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: day continues to increase, and at some point it's going double.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: You had one hundred last yesterday, you have three hundred
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 7: a day. So we're the cumulative estimates about ten thousand,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: maybe possibly more.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, so this is happening. It's still happening. We're not
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: talking about a thing that was going on, and we're
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: not talking about old news here, and no.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: It's not, and it's it's getting to a point where
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: it's going to be really critical as when you think
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 7: about exponential growth doubling again today. I mean, we're talking
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 7: one hundred thousand ducklings were produced on these two refuges
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 7: this year alone, and we've got hundreds of thousands of
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 7: other birds that are migrating into these wetlands and when
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 7: they arrive, they molt, and so you've got one hundred
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 7: thousand ducklings that can't really fly. You've got a couple
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 7: hundred thousand other birds that are losing their flight feathers
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 7: and can't fly, so they're trapped in the producing botulism.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Got it, Uh, Explain to me what it requires, like
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: there's a remedy or there's a there's a partial remedy,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: or there's a hope of a remedy. Explain what needs
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: to happen here that would would that would solve this
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: problem or help solve this problem.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 7: Well, the answer is the one thing that's very hard
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 7: to get, and that's water. The climate based and if
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 7: it's not known for amazing waterfowl, amazing waterfowl hunting. It's
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 7: known for the water complex that arise between endangered species
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 7: and agriculture and wildlife. So what you can do is
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 7: you can get more water. You can get what if
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 7: that's coming out of the lake, it's going to be
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  Speaker 7: cooler than what's in the wetlands, it's going to be fresher.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 7: You can circulate that water, you can make it deeper
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: to cover the mudflats where the botulism is growing. So
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 7: the recipe is simple, just add water. The complicated thing
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 7: is whose water are you going to add and how
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  Speaker 7: are you going to do that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, and tell me about that.
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  Speaker 2: What is how do you do it?
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  Speaker 7: Well? Why this is even a problem is because we're
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 7: the West. If for those of us or Westerners, we've
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 7: noticed over the last thirty years, snowpack is getting smaller,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 7: it's evaporating quicker. There's essentially a drying trend that's happening
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 7: in the western United States, and Klamas is no different
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 7: than anywhere else. The challenge is is that there's demands
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 7: on water from endangered fish that have a biological opinion
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 7: to keep water in the upper lake or to run
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 7: water down the river, and then the third pot of
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 7: water that's out there is the agricultural water for that
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 7: irrigation project, and all three of these pots of water
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 7: are suffering. However, the Clan of water Uses Association and
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 7: the irrigation districts are working with NGOs, are working with
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 7: tribes and agencies to find a way where we can
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  Speaker 7: be creative and get past the conflict that's out there
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  Speaker 7: and get on towards collaboration, because right now everybody's suffering.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 7: Fish are suffering, ducks are suffering, People are suffering because
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 7: of the conflict, and really the only way out is collaboration.
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  Speaker 7: And water users are proposing a flow through concept where
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  Speaker 7: we would take some of these limited water supplies that
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 7: are still there, run them through the irrigation project down
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 7: into the wetlands, raise the water, circulate the water, cool
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 7: the water, and then we would pump it back out
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 7: into the river. You're removing nights, you're removing all the
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 7: nitrogen and phosporus loading nets in the water from the
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 7: upper lake, You're recharging the groundwater, and you're helping to
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 7: save hundreds of thousands of Dutch local economy and endangered species.
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  Speaker 7: It's this amazing idea for collaboration and we just need
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 7: a little bit of water to do it.
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  Speaker 2: And then on that formula where you're pulling water out
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: of a reserve system, using it to increase water in
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: the wetland, moving it to the river system where it's
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: going to benefit to salmon, you know as they come
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: up for spawning runs. What does it do for the
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: people that are using that water to irrigate crops.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 7: That's the really challenging thing here, and agriculture is suffering.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 7: So they're getting they're getting about sixty three of their
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 7: promised allotment from the Bureau of Reclamation. And so what
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 7: they're proposing to do is they're proposing to take this
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 7: water and use one hundred percent of this water for
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 7: this flow through concept for the environment, for the ducks,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 7: for the wetlands, for the fish, as a example of
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 7: leadership to change the paradigm from conflict to collaboration. So
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 7: they're suffering, but they're still willing to do it because
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 7: in the long run, if we don't help recover these
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 7: fish that are really dominating how water is driven, we're
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 7: never going to be able to recover these wetlands. We're
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 7: never going to be able to to stop this bachulism
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 7: cycle and we're not going to be able to have
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 7: healthy communities and healthy economies. And so water users are
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 7: really stepping up and taking the leadership approach of doing
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 7: something different and finding the collaborative solution versus a conflictory.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: What is the what is the entity that represents water users?
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  Speaker 2: So you're not going out and striking a deal with
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: every farmer about their their water. They must have a
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: collective of sorts. What what is that?
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 7: That's the Klamat Water Users Association. So they represent the
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 7: primary or all the water districts that are in and
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 7: associated with the Klamat Project. There's three main ones. Klamath
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 7: Irrigation District, the Tully Lake Irrigation District, and the Claim
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 7: With Drainage District. Are the are the biggest ones within
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 7: there and the water users represent them as well as
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 7: some other smaller districts.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So if it if this water user's group is recognizing
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: the dire situation and they're allowing that they're agreeing to
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: in this emergency situation to let water go and let
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: it go for wildlife, what what does come of their
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: of of their issue, Like what does come of the crops?
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: Is there a is there a is there a sacrifice
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: on crop output?
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  Speaker 1: I mean there has to be, right.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, for sure. And you know they there's an allocation
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 7: that they're given in April by the Bureau of Reclamation
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 7: about how much water is going to be available this year,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 7: and so they've already made their planting plan. The crops
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 7: are planting now, we're going into harvest time right now,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 7: so essentially they've already made their decisions about how much
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 7: or how they're going to use the limited water that
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 7: they have. So this water isn't going to necessarily help
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 7: directly on the crops that are in the ground. And
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 7: so that's why they're able to because they've already made
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 7: they've already done the sacrifice, they're able to do this type.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: Of innovative Understood, Now, let's let's jump down the road.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: Like you said, we're looking at long term trends here, right,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: This is not this is not an anomaly. Is what's
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: happening this year? And the sacrifice you're talking about in
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: the collaboration you're talking about is is it applicable next year?
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Or is next year just becomes its own question all
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: over again.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: Well, you know, there's there's that's a great question. When
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 7: I think about conservation, I think about a couple of things.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 7: I think about community, and I think about leadership. And
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 7: to do any kind of conservation of the planmatation, it
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 7: requires essentially every everybody. Everything is connected to everything else.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 7: The politics, the economy, the social the natural resources. They're
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 7: all driven by this drop of water, and everything is
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 7: connected to that. And if we don't have broad agreement
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 7: about a path forward with the entire community, we're never
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 7: going to change the cycle that we're on. Yeah, But
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 7: in order to engage that community, you have to have leadership.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 7: Somebody has to be doing something a little bit different
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 7: in order to inspire others to do something similar. Again,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 7: and that's what's happening this year is water users is
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 7: doing something that they've never done before. They're committed to
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 7: use this water for one hundred percent of these other purposes,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 7: not for agriculture. That is leadership, and that is studying
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 7: a model that we want our tribal partners and our
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 7: agency partners to also emulate too next year. Yeah, because
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 7: without them, without those partners, well without the agencies, and
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 7: without the tribes are agreeing and collaborating on how to
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 7: make this work. It's not going to be it's not
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 7: going to be possible, but something has to be different,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 7: something has to be that spark that changes of the
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 7: past and creates a new future. And that's what's happening
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 7: this year. And that's what's significant, and that's been really
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 7: a huge focus Abduction Limited over the next last six years,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 7: is that we've really tried to create an environment through
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 7: extensive relationship building with the agencies, with irrigation users, water users,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 7: with the tribes to create an environment and which this
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: little spark can grow and become a flame and happen.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 7: And that's happening this year. And so it's the president
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 7: of the Water Users Association. He's really making a big
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 7: difference through his leadership bringing this community together to help
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 7: and support this effort.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: So let's jump from next year back into this year.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: Do you feel that this action is going to like
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: set up to be successful or make the situation not
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: as dire for Ducks as it would otherwise be? Like,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: do you feel that there's going to be some kind
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: of that there's the potential for like an immediate remedy
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: right now or is that not in the cards for
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: this year.
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  Speaker 7: I think there's a media. I think there's opportunity. I've
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 7: been it's a man, it's a torturous road. It's been
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 7: a pretty intense last couple of months working on this.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 7: But I think that there's a path. I think that
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 7: there's water available, and I think that there's political will
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 7: to get that water down to the refuges this year.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 7: It's still not too late, and I know water users
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 7: and in the agencies and all the partners have been
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 7: really working hard on that. And what is going to
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 7: drive what happens in the future is what happens this year.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 7: And the blame that irrigation and agriculture gets a lot
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 7: is you're just going to take that water for agriculture. Yeah,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 7: we say it's going to the refuge, You're just going
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 7: to take it. Well, they're saying no, No, we can
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 7: prove up. We can show you all the math, we
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 7: can show you all the records that we are going
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 7: to do exactly what we say, and that water is
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 7: going to go for this flow through purpose. And so
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 7: everybody's kind of watching that when that water comes that
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 7: agriculture sticks to what they said they were going to
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 7: do and demonstrates the model of success that can be
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 7: relied upon for next year, and that's what's going to
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 7: help the future.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: All Right, Man, I would love to have you at
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: the end of this season. I would love to have
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: you come back on and give kind of a snapshot
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: of what happened and the sequence of events and how
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: it played out.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: We'd love to hear more.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: About it, absolutely.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 7: I'm hopeful.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I look forward to hearing more about it again.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: Joined by Jeff McCreary, the director of operations for the
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: Western region of Ducks Unlimited, talking about the Klamath Base
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: and Avian Bochlism outbreak and the flow through water solution. Again,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: Jeff's from Ducks Unlimited has been working on this issue,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: and Jeff, thanks for explaining everything, and man, good luck
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: to you and good luck to the water users and
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: producers and trying to figure out a solution to this issue.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it absolutely.
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  Speaker 7: Thanks for having us on.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Ben. All Right, ladies and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 2: That concludes the special episode of the news show broadcasting
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: from Fish Camp and Southeast Alaska.
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  Speaker 1: Tune in next week.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: For the regular, normal version of the Meat Eater podcast.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: The new show thanks for joining,