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Patriots Unfiltered 12/31: Week 17 Recap, Bills Preview, NFL Draft Talk · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's complaining about how early he had the wing
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, we're just desperately trying to set Barth.
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  Speaker 5: Up with anyone tell me about it, literally, anyone. Are
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  Speaker 5: you feeling, ladies all right?
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  Speaker 4: Would you say the mood was festive after day after Christmas?
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  Speaker 5: This free sushi definitely helped. Okay, the mood was very high.
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  Speaker 5: The players first, Oh, I thought you were talking about us. Oh,
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  Speaker 5: I'll guess we matter a lot.
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  Speaker 4: We're all dying to know if you've got the Lego
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  Speaker 7: No oh, I got slippers, two button down shirts pot
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  Speaker 7: as Alex mentioned as well, love everything but toys. I'm
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  Speaker 7: gonna I'm gonna take the hook though, I'm gonna take Denver.
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  Speaker 7: I'll take that extra half point. I think it's a
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  Speaker 7: close one, Mike.
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  Speaker 4: the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday, New Year's Eve here
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  Speaker 4: at je Let's Stadium. And uh, I don't know if
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  Speaker 4: we want to talk about that last game, which it's Deuce,
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  Speaker 4: it's even, it's Paul, it's me, it's Matt Nabooth forty
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  Speaker 4: to seven loss to the Chargers. Not good, not good.
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  Speaker 6: No, yeah, nothing good.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah at home, just just just terrible. So I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: I think maybe we turn the page from that game, because,
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  Speaker 4: as Gerard said afterwards, there's nothing good to be taken
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  Speaker 4: from that game.
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  Speaker 7: So col Stranger snaps at center.
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  Speaker 4: Except for that. Maybe yep, but you know, maybe we
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  Speaker 4: start talking about the game coming up against the Bills
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  Speaker 4: and the ramifications of winning versus losing playing Drake May
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  Speaker 4: versus not playing Drake May. What do you guys think?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, unless there's something you want to get
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  Speaker 4: off your chest.
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  Speaker 6: People want to call in about the specific things about
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  Speaker 6: the game, certainly we can go back to them. But
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  Speaker 6: I think that's the number one storyline right now is
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  Speaker 6: what how you're going to treat this game. And I
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  Speaker 6: know people have strong feelings about it. The number the
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  Speaker 6: number one pick is more important, and keeping Drake May
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  Speaker 6: healthy is more important, and all that stuff people feel
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  Speaker 6: strongly about it.
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  Speaker 5: I have taken that the number one story, but it's
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  Speaker 5: definitely today.
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  Speaker 4: Well yeah, what would you say, is the number one
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  Speaker 4: story the future?
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  Speaker 6: Probably, So we're not going to know about that until
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  Speaker 6: next week.
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  Speaker 4: We'll take first things first.
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  Speaker 6: That is what you were talking about.
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  Speaker 4: What happens after this game?
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  Speaker 5: What happens Monday morning?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I just think the biggest thing with this Chargers game,
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  Speaker 5: just quickly, that was the only thing you could not
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  Speaker 5: do if you were a Jiradmeo and this staff was
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  Speaker 5: laying an egg on Sunday, like if you were just
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  Speaker 5: repeated the exact same game you played in Buffalo, even
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  Speaker 5: you know some of the other games where they were
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  Speaker 5: competitive but not really like all you had to do
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  Speaker 5: was was have you know, put your best put foot
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  Speaker 5: forward and show face in that game on Sunday. But
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  Speaker 5: laying an egg puts everything back on you think it.
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  Speaker 4: Was just simply outplayed, out coached or was there just
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  Speaker 4: something else that contributed to this performance.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I I think there's a lot of things that
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  Speaker 5: contributed to it. But yeah, I just think that in
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  Speaker 5: terms of want to effort, that's certainly there. In terms
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  Speaker 5: of talent that's certainly there, and in terms of x's
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  Speaker 5: and o's like that, they got out coached on really
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  Speaker 5: both sides of the ball, but especially defensively. I would say,
• 4:50
  Speaker 5: you know, they just they have no CounterPunch defensively. You know,
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  Speaker 5: teams know they're gonna play man to man coverage. You know,
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  Speaker 5: they have their man beaters ready for them every single week.
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  Speaker 5: And if they play good man coverage, they have a
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  Speaker 5: decent defensive game. If they play bad man coverage, they
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  Speaker 5: give up forty points, you know, and that there's really
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  Speaker 5: no in between there. And on Sunday they did not
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  Speaker 5: cover well, and that's what happens.
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  Speaker 7: Yep, no rush either.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's no complimentary football.
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  Speaker 7: It's just tough because I'm saying to Evan, like, you know,
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  Speaker 7: usually even in the last couple of seasons have been hard,
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  Speaker 7: been you know, not great, but there's still been like
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  Speaker 7: elements that are interesting to go back and look at,
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  Speaker 7: or you know, like, oh, why, you know, why isn't
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  Speaker 7: the third down defense quite up? You know, like elements
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  Speaker 7: that are interesting and there's just nothing interesting right now
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  Speaker 7: to break down or to go back, or they just
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  Speaker 7: they're bad across the board. I mean every single important
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  Speaker 7: statistic that that I look at or track, they're in
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  Speaker 7: the bottom three to five of the league and everything
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  Speaker 7: red zone, third down pressure rate, EPA, DVOA. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: across the board, both sides of the ball. Yeah, right, alright,
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  Speaker 7: I'm sure they'd be down there too though.
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  Speaker 6: So all of that is absolutely true. The thing that
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  Speaker 6: was really strange to me about this game was usually
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  Speaker 6: they've had a handful of real stinkers the last two years.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, when four games last year they have three
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  Speaker 6: wins right now, but generally when they get blasted like
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  Speaker 6: that on the school board, it's because of a mess
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  Speaker 6: of turnovers. You know, I think of that Saints game
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  Speaker 6: last year, the thirty four to nven game, the Cowboys
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  Speaker 6: game that had like the pick six is, Yeah, that
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  Speaker 6: wasn't this. This this game, in a lot of ways
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  Speaker 6: was more alarming because there was the one turnover there
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  Speaker 6: on the on the botched pitch there. I don't know
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  Speaker 6: if it was an aboorded play or what exactly happened
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  Speaker 6: on that, but this wasn't a mess of turnovers. This
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  Speaker 6: was one team got the ball, drove it down the
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  Speaker 6: field and scored. Then they stopped you from moving the ball,
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  Speaker 6: got the ball back and went down the field and
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  Speaker 6: scored seven times in a row.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, yep.
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  Speaker 6: You know, like this was just it was dominance.
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  Speaker 4: You are just outmatched.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's you know the seven times in a row.
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  Speaker 5: Same thing happened against the Rams. The Rams, I think
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  Speaker 5: scored seven drives in a row. So that just there's
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  Speaker 5: the adjustments, the lack of just coaching on the defensive
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  Speaker 5: side of the ball. They are just not a well
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  Speaker 5: coached defense right now. And you look at a lot
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  Speaker 5: of the different things that you see in terms of
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  Speaker 5: like even fundamentals, you know, tackling, taking on blocks, I discipline, like,
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  Speaker 5: these are just things that you've been coached at since
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  Speaker 5: you know, high school that they just don't do well
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  Speaker 5: right now across the board on the defense. So I
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  Speaker 5: just keep on watching the film on offense, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, they just don't really have players, Like what
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  Speaker 5: do you expect?
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  Speaker 4: And that's the thing. Like after the game on our
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  Speaker 4: post game show, I wasn't overly like depressed, disappointed or surprised.
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  Speaker 4: I this is who they are. We're not a good team.
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  Speaker 4: And when you play against a Chargers team had a
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  Speaker 4: lot to play for a really good coach. This is
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  Speaker 4: what could happen, and it did. And so I wasn't like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I can't believe this happened. No, No, we got a
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  Speaker 4: lot of work to do in the offseason. In that game,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you know, just show that.
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  Speaker 6: I guess I was just a little surprised with how
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  Speaker 6: how much the Chargers dominated because I didn't think the
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  Speaker 6: Chargers were quote unquote that good. If that had been Buffalo,
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  Speaker 6: you know, or you know, or I would have said, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: well this is you know, this is that much of
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  Speaker 6: a difference between that you did if they played Baltimore
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  Speaker 6: and got blasted like that or Detroit. You know, you
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  Speaker 6: could sort of understand it. I think the charge are good.
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  Speaker 6: I think everything you said about Hardwall is absolutely true.
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  Speaker 6: I think he's a good coach. But they they made
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  Speaker 6: the Chargers look like a Super Bowl contender in that game,
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  Speaker 6: and I don't think that's what that team is yet.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's a season high in points
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  Speaker 5: for them.
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  Speaker 6: They were season high in a lot of categories. First downs, yards, points.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they came in nineteenth in the league
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  Speaker 5: and scoring fifteenth and dvoa on offense, like, they don't
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  Speaker 5: run away from teams like that.
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  Speaker 6: And lately their offense has been like seventeen seventeen seventeen.
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  Speaker 6: They had the thirty i think thirty four against the
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  Speaker 6: Broncos on the Thursday night game. Yeah. But also defensively,
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  Speaker 6: the Chargers defense has been good most of the year,
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  Speaker 6: but it's been struggling lately. So that really stood out
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  Speaker 6: to me too, that the Patriots couldn't move the ball
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  Speaker 6: at all against a defense that I think is good,
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  Speaker 6: but they made it look great.
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  Speaker 4: Did you cob a Harbaugh against a rookie coach?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, did you feel a rookie quarterback and coach.
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  Speaker 6: But har was an offensive coach.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody he's a coach. He's a good coach.
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  Speaker 3: Yes it is.
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  Speaker 7: Do you think that the may injury threw things off though,
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  Speaker 7: like that's.
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  Speaker 6: You know maybe, but they went three and out on
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  Speaker 6: their first drive. I didn't think or anything happened.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't think I thought it threw him off his
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  Speaker 5: rhythm a little bit. I did. I mean, like, I'm
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  Speaker 5: not saying they're going to score thirty points if he
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  Speaker 5: doesn't get hurt. But he this was my worst game
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  Speaker 5: for him. I thought, you know, didn't have the turnovers
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  Speaker 5: like he had in some of the other games, but
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  Speaker 5: just seeing the field, you know, seeing blitzes, like understanding
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  Speaker 5: when blitzers were coming and things like that where he
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  Speaker 5: was going with the football. You know, he had a
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  Speaker 5: lot of reps in this game against the blitz that
• 9:58
  Speaker 5: were like Caleb Besk where he's just kind of running
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  Speaker 5: backwards and I don't ever want to like see that.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that's not that's taking fifteen yard sacks on
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  Speaker 5: fourth and two. It is not typical of Drake may.
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  Speaker 5: So I thought that he was a little overwhelmed by
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  Speaker 5: my mintor a little bit in this game.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so do you play May this week?
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  Speaker 6: You have takes? Yeah, why don't you lead us off
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  Speaker 6: with you a take?
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  Speaker 4: I say no, I say you played Joe Milton. I'm
• 10:23
  Speaker 4: very surprised for a lot of reasons. Yes, I want
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  Speaker 4: May to get every rep he can, but in this
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  Speaker 4: particular game, there is nothing to see with Drake May
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  Speaker 4: that we probably haven't seen. I don't think there's anything
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  Speaker 4: to gain. There's a lot to lose. Of course, the
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  Speaker 4: first you know pick in the draft is something you
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  Speaker 4: could lose. But you know, getting him banged up is
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  Speaker 4: another thing. Plus, all each season we've been hearing about
• 10:51
  Speaker 4: how good a teammate Joe Milton's been in practice. You know,
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  Speaker 4: he's been on the scout team. He's really helped the
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  Speaker 4: team throwing the bone, throw my bone. At the end
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  Speaker 4: of the season, let him, let him have a game,
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  Speaker 4: you know, reward the guy for a good season of
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  Speaker 4: support and give him this game. You know, so you
• 11:09
  Speaker 4: benefit that way, And again there's nothing to really benefit
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  Speaker 4: on the other side other than football players play football.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know. I'd be okay with starting May.
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  Speaker 7: I'd love to see Milton come in maybe near the end.
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  Speaker 7: So I guess I'm a little bit in the middle.
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  Speaker 7: But I don't know. I just I'd like to continue
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  Speaker 7: to see Drake develop. I'd like to see him make
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  Speaker 7: a couple of plays and get in there and you know,
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  Speaker 7: take some positive things from this game into the offseason,
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  Speaker 7: rather than you know, that Buffalo game being kind of
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  Speaker 7: the end.
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  Speaker 4: It's like what you know, like, let's just say he
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  Speaker 4: has a good game, all right, Well, it's all bills
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  Speaker 4: back up and and all that. You know, Like, I
• 11:45
  Speaker 4: don't know, is there really that much to gain from
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  Speaker 4: having him play?
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  Speaker 7: No, I mean probably not tangible, not tangibly. But at
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  Speaker 7: the same time, like this is a team that has
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  Speaker 7: a long, long way to go, and he's got to
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  Speaker 7: play games. He's got to understand how to be an
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  Speaker 7: NFL quarterback and there's gonna be games like this.
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  Speaker 4: Like I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm I can be probably suaded. I'd I'd
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  Speaker 7: like to see him practice. I don't need to see
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  Speaker 7: him play the whole game. And I mean, I you
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  Speaker 7: want to say, what is really to gain? I can't
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  Speaker 7: really push back too heavily on that other than just
• 12:16
  Speaker 7: this team's got a long way to go, and I
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  Speaker 7: want to continue to see this kid play and develop
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  Speaker 7: and you know, get meaningful reps rather than all right,
• 12:22
  Speaker 7: that's it, he's gonna shut down tomorrow. He's going to
• 12:23
  Speaker 7: be the backup. I mean, it's kind of if.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I've been saying all seasons, starting from week one.
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  Speaker 4: But now we've got to this point where you do
• 12:30
  Speaker 4: have the first pick possibly on the line.
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  Speaker 6: I don't worry as much about that, and I think
• 12:38
  Speaker 6: Evan's probably with you, Fred, But in terms, it's more
• 12:42
  Speaker 6: in terms of making sure you get him to the
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  Speaker 6: finish line. And in my mind, I am thinking, like, man,
• 12:48
  Speaker 6: if you were to suffer like a torn acl that
• 12:51
  Speaker 6: would be just the worst possible scenario, and all the
• 12:57
  Speaker 6: stuff that Mike and I think, because I think Mike
• 12:59
  Speaker 6: and I are on play May side and you guys
• 13:01
  Speaker 6: are probably on the other side. And I think the
• 13:03
  Speaker 6: reason why Mike and I can probably be persuaded is
• 13:06
  Speaker 6: because of the state of the game. Like if they
• 13:09
  Speaker 6: were playing just a regular team, if they were playing
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  Speaker 6: another team that was eliminated, yep, you know, if they
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  Speaker 6: were playing in Cleveland, I would say, Drake May plays
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  Speaker 6: just play this like a regular game, but you're not
• 13:19
  Speaker 6: even going to see the other team. Then they're going
• 13:22
  Speaker 6: to rest as many guys as they possibly can, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I mean they've already talked about Josh Allen's going to start.
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: Only just to keep the record, just to keep his street. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So I don't even know how much you can get
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  Speaker 6: out of playing may in terms of evaluation, because it's
• 13:37
  Speaker 6: gonna be kind of like a glorified preseason game. So
• 13:40
  Speaker 6: you guys can convince me that maybe sitting him is
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  Speaker 6: the right thing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, if you want to treat it like a preseason
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  Speaker 5: game where he plays half or whatever and you see
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  Speaker 5: how it goes, and maybe if he has a couple
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  Speaker 5: of great drives or what like. I guess I'm not
• 13:53
  Speaker 5: going to sit here and say, you know, be afraid
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  Speaker 5: of playing him, but I just I guess I woant
• 13:58
  Speaker 5: to go as far as some of you know, the
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: other people on the beat have gone. With how much
• 14:02
  Speaker 5: of a coaching now practice it would be to play
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  Speaker 5: him on Sunday.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not saying oh yeah, I'm not saying that either.
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  Speaker 6: But I don't I don't get that mentality.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think there's a lot to lose and
• 14:12
  Speaker 5: not a lot to gain, and the biggest thing to
• 14:16
  Speaker 5: me that they have to lose is him getting hurt.
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  Speaker 5: Like I really don't care as much about the number
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  Speaker 5: one pick as I do about his health because this
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  Speaker 5: is this is a big off season. It's the year two,
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: Like he needs to be training, and he needs to
• 14:28
  Speaker 5: be working on his craft, and he needs to have
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: a whole training camp and a whole preseason next summer
• 14:33
  Speaker 5: and all that kind of stuff. Like if he gets
• 14:35
  Speaker 5: seriously injured in this meaningless game and then all of
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: a sudden we're talking about him not coming back till
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: halfway through next year off of a torn acl or
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: something like that, like now to forget about twenty twenty five. Also,
• 14:47
  Speaker 5: like now that season's gone too. So I just think
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: that's the biggest thing to me is injury risk and
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: right weighing the risk reward of him playing in this
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: game in that sense.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just like Paul's point about going against Bill's
• 14:59
  Speaker 7: backups like that to me is the major factor where
• 15:02
  Speaker 7: it's hard to like even take even if Hen went
• 15:04
  Speaker 7: out there and lit it up a big ya, but you.
• 15:07
  Speaker 6: Know it's going to be like, well, yeah, he won
• 15:10
  Speaker 6: that game. It's gonna be like the Jets.
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  Speaker 4: Game if he loses that game.
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  Speaker 6: I don't put any more stock in that either. I know,
• 15:17
  Speaker 6: you know because you because you easily could say, well
• 15:19
  Speaker 6: that that's what they wanted. They didn't. They didn't necessarily
• 15:22
  Speaker 6: put their best footfaward because they wanted to maintain the
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  Speaker 6: draft status.
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  Speaker 4: So this is just nothing to get.
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  Speaker 6: We just taped all access in one of the elements
• 15:29
  Speaker 6: that that Steve Burton asked Mike, and I was like,
• 15:32
  Speaker 6: is this kind of like a just a no win
• 15:34
  Speaker 6: situation for Gerrod Mayo, Like he's damned if he does,
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: damned if he doesn't, pretty much, and he's kind of
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: It's a it's a tricky needle to try to thread.
• 15:42
  Speaker 6: Like maybe you want to go out play well, win
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: the game, keep make sure that Drake may is healthy,
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: and then somehow like the Giants and these other teams
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: win two. So you keep the number one pick, You
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: get me to play, he plays well, you feel a
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: little bit better about yourself in a miserable year, he's healthy, nothing,
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: you know, nothing happened.
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: And you still get the first pack and.
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: You still get the first pick. So like that's a
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: hard sort of path to stay on.
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: Is the first pick that important?
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: I don't really think so. I think Evan feels the same.
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: Like I don't know, you guys, can I get it.
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: It's more valuable to have the one in that way,
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: if someone at like three or four feels like they
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: need to get in front of the giants, they need
• 16:23
  Speaker 6: to go to you to do that. So I guess
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: there's some value there.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: I just the worst case they get their fourth.
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think if they win and other teams win,
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: I lose, then they go.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about all the worst things happen. The worst
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: they can pick is full.
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: That's how I understand it.
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think it's the end all be all
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: to be picking number one overall in the draft like this,
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: I'll say, and if I'm wrong, like in April, I'm wrong,
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: But this is not a quarterback draft. I keep on
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: saying this, and everybody says, oh, well, the quarterbacks will
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: get pumped up and the you know Shador Sanders, you know,
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: the marketing campaign will start for him with Dion and
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: he'll get pumped up to a number one overall pick.
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: And maybe that happens, but you're not getting a king's
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: ransom for the number one.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing, you know, Like I know, I've heard,
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: you know a lot of fans saying, no, you got
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: a trade down. You got to trade down, keep that
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: first pick so that you know you get the most
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: you can get in a trade down. But I think
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: compared to other years, you may not get the offers
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: you think you're gonna get.
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: No, and Dan Bruger from the Athletic I was just
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: looking at that because if you don't want to take
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: my word for it, you know he's the best in
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: the business when it comes to the draft. And he
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: said that, you know, a teams view this quarterback class
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: like Shador Sanders would be quarterback seven and last year's
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: class like behind bo Nix and JJ McCarthy. And then
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: he also said that he'd be shocked if they got,
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: you know, a Bears like package for the number one
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: pick this year because of that. So if you're the Patriots,
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: it doesn't make a difference if you pick your guy
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: at one or your guy at three, Like I don't
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: necessarily think so, but it's always nice to have the
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: better pick.
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: Obviously, he had quotes from you know, obviously scouts, anonymous scouts,
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: and they said that there are two quarterbacks. One guy said,
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: there are two quarterbacks that are first round, but they
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: are late first round.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Value, cam Ward and shaudor right.
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: But they're late first round value. And another guy said
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: that they did not even and that not even that
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: high on them. So if you take that at face value,
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: and that's the way that most people look at the draft,
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: I can't really envision a team at like six or
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: seven saying I need to do anything I can to
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: get in front of the Giants to prevent them from
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: taking you to a Sanders so I can take them.
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: If that's how they thought of.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Do you think the whole Jets Giants thing has any
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: play in this? I mean, because it's kind of a rivalry.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: They're what they're fighting for is fan base in the
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: same market, and both teams need a quarterback. Do you
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: think that that might come into play at all?
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: I mean, I hope so, because I mean I think
• 19:04
  Speaker 7: right now, if you're sitting at one, is there any
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: other choice than Travis Hunter? I mean, and not to
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: say that I'm totally that sucks, Like he's a really
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: good player and I think you could help this team,
• 19:12
  Speaker 7: But is there any other choice? If you can't trade
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: out a one.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: I would take Travis Hunter at one. But that's my
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: other take.
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: Who else would be worthy of that?
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: If you were Freddy Spring takes Tim like that.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: If you're absolutely stuck at one, Yeah, I take Travis Hunting. Yeah.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: I don't love it, right, but I mean, I guess
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: you kind of have to.
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: Think he's the best player in the draft.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Player in the draft. Yeah, take him. Figure it out.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: You get him in here and figure it out.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: I I don't think that he's It's not who I
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: would want if I had a number one pick, Like,
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: it's kind of it's just stinky.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: You want a blue chip the number one.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: Well, that's my biggest fear of taking one of these
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: tackles number one, just because that's your biggest need, is
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: that he turns into just kind of a met player
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: like Eric Fisher was, and and it's like, all right,
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: well what are you going to do? Like, at least
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: if you take the swing on Travis Hunter, if it hits,
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: it's going to be an absolute home run. You know,
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: he's going to be a generational player for you. I
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: don't know if these tackles are so so.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Getting back to my question, do you think that the
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Jets Giants thing could raise the stock of a quarterback,
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: whether it's Ward or Sanders.
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: I think so, I mean possible last year. I mean
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: there was there were some surprises last year guys going
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: higher than I mean, I I just wouldn't roll it out.
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: I just my question though, was just would it be
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: easier if you're at like three or four to trade
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: down and get some picks rather than one? Like what's
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: easier to trade this year? One or three? You know,
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: it doesn't matter.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it matters.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: I think you're gonna have the same value at one
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: as you in other years you might have had at three.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: You know. So what I'm trying to lead to is,
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: I know, I know Paul is going to jump ugly
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: on me here. No.
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: I was just watching but commercial.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: But you know, trade if you're the Patriots and if
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: you're the Jets, Jets want to jump over the Giants
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: because they want to get a quarterback. This is the scenario.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: Would you if you're the Jets, offer Garrett Wilson, who's disgruntled,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: and Quinn Williams and a third round pick, you don't
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: give up a first for the Patriots first. And if
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: you're the Patriots, would you do that? Where were the
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Jets six or seven?
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't give up that much to move up four, five, five,
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: six spots.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: You're not giving up your first round pick.
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I'm giving up two of my best players, right,
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: but they're better than first round, especially Wilson who's young.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: I knew you were going to do that, So think
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: about it, though, why are the Patriots doing this? Hold on?
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: So ah? So hold on now from the Jets perspective,
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: you get your quarterback, you keep your first round pick,
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: so I can replace one of Theoretically, I replaced one
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: of the guys I just gave up because I'm keeping
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: my first round pick.
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: No, not misdraft, You're not.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: Why not?
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Why not?
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: Because you're not replacing Quentin Williams and Garrett Wilson with
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: guys that people think aren't that good.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: Well, I think Mason Graham and Ted McMillan are replacing them.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: I don't know if it's on the same exact level.
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't. I mean, I just wouldn't do it. Okay,
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: So you wouldn't do that, Jets, I wouldn't do it. Now,
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: that's what I'm talking about Sanders. Are you kidding me?
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: Have a first round pick? Why would the Patriots do that?
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: Well, then it's an extra silly trade. If I wouldn't
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: even consider it. If I were the Jets, how.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: Would the Patriots?
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: He wouldn't consider it.
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: If you're not gonna so it's not going to happen,
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: I would consider it.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: So if you were not the if I'm the Patriots, you.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: Would consider not picking in the first round this year?
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Yes, because listen and hear me out. Hear me out,
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: I'll hear you out. Players sure fire first round players.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: That neither one play left tackle.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Okay, but I'm getting listen, listen to me. I'm getting
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: too I'm getting too sure fire first round players. Right.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: I lose my first round pick, but I pick up
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: a third, So now I have a second and three thirds.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Three thirds because remember we got a third.
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: Thirds are just like there. Okay, you're talking about thirds
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: like the valuable.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Pretty good players have been picked in the third round.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: But I got I have my second, and I have
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: three thirds, and I have two new first round players
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: that I've added to my team. Absolutely not, absolutely not
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: what he wouldn't do it.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: I would not do that if you're the Patriots, like
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: right now, you.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: You needed tap players, and I've guaranteed to pick up
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: at least two.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think Quentin Williams is the just
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: think about it.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: I don't know what bar More status is for next year.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Ke On White, maybe I'm I'm jettising him, so I
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: need interior lineman Williams, you know, fills the boat.
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: I like your ideas, I just I'm I'm just not
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: sure that I should do as Sanders is worth giving
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: up your team.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: I can't believe.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing. I'm I'm assuming that the Jets
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Giants rivalry has up the stock of Sanders.
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: Like I would have done this for Jayden Daniels last
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: year or Drake May last year. If I were the Jets,
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: I would I would strongly consider doing that. I just
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: don't think these guys are worth doing that for. Thus
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: me not necessarily being in love with the number one
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: overall pack, right, I don't think there's going to be
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: the same amount of value.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Obviously, if neither the Jets or Giants think highly of
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: either of these quarterbacks, the whole thing is moved because
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: it it it hinges on you know, the Jets loving
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: Sanders and believing that the Giants do too, and needing
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: to get up over us to get it.
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: And now I think you could convince yourself, like if
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: you're sitting at seven and Shadua Sanders falls to seven, Like,
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: you know, I can take a wide receiver, but I
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: don't have anybody to throw them all. I could take
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: an offensive lineman. I mean, I just took an offensive
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: lineman last year and he really panned out. He's been
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: a good player for like, you know what I'm gonna take.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: I'll talk myself into it. That makes sense to me.
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: But like trading up and losing assets for a guy
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: that I'm not sure about doesn't make a lot of sense.
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: Some of them will probably be interested in doing it.
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: You guys are right, someone will convince themselves. The Dion
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: hype train will get Shadoor Sanders, you know on everybody's mind.
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: I like the creativity trying to get it will create
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: like those I mean those that that's I think kind
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: of some of the moves they got to think about.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: I'm worried about bar War. I'm worried about the interior
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: of that.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: That's an enormous need.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, all of a sudden, interior line is whole
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: front seven D T.
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: One Like I would, I would make that up an
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: absolute part.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: One defensive tackle.
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: You know they need that.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: Too, would say defensive Like you have defensive tackle.
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: I think you need a guy. I think you need
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: a guy. I'd go get one in free agency. I
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: mean I think that's fine. I mean, but I would
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: say Edge absolutely, But who do you have? You got
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: your one guy who can play interior at an NFL
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: level right now? You know, I think that's I think
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: you can.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: Sign those types of guys though in free agency. I
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: don't like that line of thinking.
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: Evan, I want an impact. I want somebody good.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: But like, how did you get Godshaw?
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: Well, that's not an impact guy, but like it's a
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: guy who plays the defensive line at an NFL.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: In the NFL?
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: Say, and I did too.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: I think I think Edges is to me would be
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: where you get your impact guy. Like, I think that's
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: a much more important spot.
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: You can make an argument of quality played better than
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: Godcha this year, like I would. That's I wouldn't either,
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: But people have I mean, there you're real your analytics guys.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: No, I don't take credit for any of those.
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: No, I know you always cut ties when you don't
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: agree with them, which I like.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: If you're talking. If you're talking, you've lost me.
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: That doesn't I don't know. I don't know that PFF
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: one of those.
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: I don't think you're thirtieth in the league in pressure
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: eight because of defensive tackle play. Maybe the run defense
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: of the defensive tackle play, but that's because you've got
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: nobody coming off the edge like you got. You gotta
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: truly invest in replacing Jude On, you know, with a
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: real ed drusher and a finishf.
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: W that we got today that wanted to trade with
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: the Giants. Oh no, switch spots with the Giants from
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: two to one and get Elik Neighbors.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: These people just like, okay, I can't within a quarterback
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: and give away our best I'm interested in that, you know,
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: the Raiders. One is brock Bowers, Like, you're not getting
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: the leak Neighbors. You're not getting brock Bowers, Like.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: Why not trying to like think about like Michael Meyer
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: not like brock Bowers isn't going with But maybe they
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: don't think that they need both of them. If I
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: were the Raiders. I would build my offense around those
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: two guys. But that's that's me.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: But it may be, you know, the best case scenario
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: from the Raiders I think is like maybe you know,
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: Max Crosby has had enough of that organization and the
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: wiki plan, Yeah, and he wants out like that, that's
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: the best case scenario. But friend, you've got to make
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: a first round pick. You can't. You can't not make
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: a first round pick. I mean, those are That's how
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: bad teams stay bad is when you don't make it round.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: You're bringing in two first rounds.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but you're you're bringing in You're not though, you're
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: bringing in two guys that are twenty seven years old,
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: twenty five, twenty six years old.
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: That's not old that are gonna needs that are gonna
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: be only three years in the league.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's twenty five and you're gonna need to pay
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: him thirty million dollars a year.
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: So he was an old guy coming out of college,
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: you know, But like that's old nowadays.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Well yeah, if you know, if you don't stay.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: But but the point is is that you know, t.
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: Higgins is only twenty five.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're just you're talking about you know guys that
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: are paid people like you're you're talking about contracts that
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: are already hitting the top of the market right now. Like,
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: if you want to rebuild this team correctly, like you
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: have to build through the draft and to not make
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: a first round pick like that. I don't know how
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: how you're not gonna You're not gonna build through the
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: draft that way. So, like, I just I get what
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: you're saying, Like it'd be great if they could get
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: you know, a trade down scenario like the Bears did,
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: where you throw in like a DJ Moore.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: I still have four picks of the top three rounds.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it doesn't do anything for me like those picks.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: I I more, every every single year more, I find
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: it to be an absolute crime.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I've brought I'm bringing in a
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: top wide receiver in a top interior alignement. And then,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: like I said, I have four more.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: Picks, But those picks don't mean anything like the third
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: round picks.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: I could package up three and move into two and
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: have two two's or whatever. You know.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: I guess. I mean it's not that trade's not gonna happen,
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: no offense like that.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: But I don't see the Jets wanting to trade Garrett
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: Wilson to the Patriots.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: I get he's disgruntled, right, Yeah.
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: No, I think there's a chance that he could get traded. Yeah,
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: but I just can't see the Jets trading him to
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: the Patriots.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: Well, I know, I know, crazier things have happened.
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: No, I didn't say it's impossible. I just I don't
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: see it.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: I'm just again, I'm relying on this Jets Giants thing
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: in both of them wanting Sanders. That's the only way
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: it would happen.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: No, I like where your head's at in terms of
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: trying to get a veteran player as part of the package.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: I just don't think that you can make that trade
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: without getting a first round pick.
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: And I also think trade a trade in particular is
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: very important in this offseason. I think they need to
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: find a way to acquire someone's disgruntled player like that
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: the way a lot of other teams have done it
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: in the last five years, especially because hekame Medcalf, somebody
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: that could be available. Yeah, like Max Crosby.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: You brought up Crosby dk Metcalf, like you gotta if
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: you're not going to win free agency, because you're not
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: a draw right now. Then you've got to kind.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Of Crosby seven. Oh, that's he's young. Yeah, Like, why
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: do I think he's like thirty? I don't know. It
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: looks it seems like he's been around for a while.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: It's a good player.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: He is a good player. Yep. All right, So those
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: are some things that we're throwing out.
• 30:58
  Speaker 8: I like you.
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: I like your outside the box. I like your trade scenario.
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: I mean I don't.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: Necessarily think about draft picks. Huh me, I know, not
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: a time like I mean, I do care good by
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: building the offensive line.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: I just want to get good. I want to get
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: good as quickly as possible. And that way you're bringing
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: into too surefire first round value guys.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: I just I just don't think that's how you get good.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: But I think it's just a philosophical thing difference, you know,
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: Like I think the teams that have gotten good quickly
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: are are teams that draft well and.
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: Well they have to draft well. I don't think that that.
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: People don't think Fred's suggests.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: How are you, how are you going to draft well?
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: Why can't you get why can't you tackle the second round.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: You're at the top of the second round. Why can't
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: you hit on a linement there.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: Because it doesn't happen?
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Like, are you talking about what one every every every
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: player that one in every league round but one.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: In every ten tackles that hits like good luck, like
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: go through a dart Like I just you know this
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: past year, we were also in your Patrick Paul and
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: all these guys they don't play.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: You say you got to build through the draft. We
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: have one first round pick, yeah, and five years to
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: get what we want to do.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: But no, but if you hit on this pick, or
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: if you trade down and you get a haul for
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: this pick like these are.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: We just talked about you getting a Hall this year.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: And you're also talking about it. It's gonna take multiple years.
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure you're going to be able to get
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: a future.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: Round and you can, you can quicken the process a
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: little bit.
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: Like this draft. The way that people are talking. Again,
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: I don't know these things, so I go to the
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: Dame Bruglers of the world who do know this stuff.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: A lot of trade scenarios I've seen. You're not even
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: able to get a future first round pick. Yeah, it's
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: you're trading down four spots to get a two and
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: three this year and a two next year and stuff
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: like that. Like, yeah, Evan doesn't want that because you
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: have to get the first round picks because everything else
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: is adey.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: If you like, if you want to build through the draft,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: you better be good in the second and third round.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: You better.
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, I'm not banking on hitting on a tackle in
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: the second or third round. We've been doing that for
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: years and it doesn't work.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: I'm telling whoever you pick.
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: You how many tackles are they taken in the second round.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: They took a third round tackle last year to produce
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: in the third round.
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: A couple of years, third round guys the last second round,
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: Matt Light, Sebastian Vallmer, those guys worked out, okay.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: They they also had Dante Scarneki coaching them on the offensive.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: Well, that's the whole different subject. Like that's all part
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: of it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: That's part of the quarterback.
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: So Elliott Wolfe has said many many times, we want
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: to be a draft and developed team and everybody and
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: everybody only focuses on the draft.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: What happens when they get you.
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: Because I refuse to believe that all of these guys
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: came into the league without the requisite talent. Jalen Polk
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: in the summer looked like he had NFL ability. Why
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: from July to December does he look like he doesn't
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: belong in the league?
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: Is that all his fault?
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: I mean, I put the majority of it on him,
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: because the players ultimately, you know, you see that police,
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: But I'm just I'm using it as an I.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Just have people need to care before they hate you.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Right now, you're not on that level. You're not You're
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: not there yet. He's got It's just like, what are
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: we doing here?
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: No, but Evan's right about the lack of structure, Like
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: Dante was able to take these guys and make them,
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: you know, probably better players than they were, and they're
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: not getting that now. So I recognize as far as
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: we know, well, they're not getting better. I mean they
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: just they just picked eight guys in the draft and
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: one of them looks like.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Another subject I want to get into is our evaluation
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: of these coaches. What are we basing it on? And
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: we'll talk about that.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I don't I don't mean to like
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: get too fired up about this whole thing.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: I just.
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: To the opposite.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: That's what this is. No, no, no, no, this that's what
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: this is for.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: I just as someone that that puts a lot into
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: the draft every single year. You fall in love with me.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: And someone who puts in more than you guys. No, no, no,
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: I'm only into that.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: But like I fall in love with with guys in
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: the second Like I really thought Kingsley su Mattia was
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: going to be a good NFL tackle and maybe he
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: still will be, play like three games, okay, but the
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: Chiefs are literally putting Joe Tooney.
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: He's not ready, clearly not ready to avoid playing him, right,
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: And Patrick Paul the other day was fine until they
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: started leaving him on an island with Miles GATHERERTT right,
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: and like which I'm sorry, that's bad coach, right.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: But I like, I just I really am concerned about
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: you know, you can find receivers and you can find
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: pass rushers. You can find those guys in the veteran market.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: Those guys move like the receivers get traded every off season.
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: Receivers, you can definitely right, they're moving a lot because
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: and they're always justsgruntled, right, we need one to get gruntled.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: Right, So you look at this thing and you're like, Okay,
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: you can find you can make that receiver trade. You
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: can sign a T. Higgins, you can trade for a
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: DK Metcalf, Like where is the offensive line help gonna
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: come from? And if you're continuing to just bank on
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: third and fourth round picks to hit on the offensive line,
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: like we're gonna be here for a while.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: Keep pushing it back around. I want to take it
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: at the top of the second round, which is like
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: a first round like.
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: This year, top of the second round, Like, I'll just
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: give you some names like Josh Connelly from Oregon. He
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: could play himself into the first round in the playoff,
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: right but he's the talented guy that most projected at
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: the top of the second round right now. But if
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: he has two three really good games in the playoff,
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: then he's going to be a first round pick. Josh
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: sam Is from Ohio State, really talented guy, but he's
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: coming off of torn acl right now.
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: So I'm gonna this is a little Devil's advocate here.
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: I'm going to try to help Fred, not necessarily saying
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: I think this is realistic, but okay, So Fred's trade
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: scenario where he's acquiring extra extra seconds and third round picks.
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: If your thing happens and you identify a guy, the
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: Oregon kid, the Ohio State kids, the one coming off injury,
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: or yeah, so one of those guys. Let's say he's
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: suddenly moving from the you know, the high thirties, you know,
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: or the low thirties in this case where the Patriots
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: are going to be taking thirty three, and he's moving
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: into the twenties. Right, Well, now you have all these
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: extra picks that Fred's acquiring.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: You go up again.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: He acquired one extra pick.
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: Didn't you acquire like a second in the.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: First not just a third. But now I have four picks.
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: I have three through up into our extra second.
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: I didn't.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: I didn't say it in my mind, we had.
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: An extra second.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: I just I can make that.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: Just give me that.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: I would much rather just go that route on your own,
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: without trading for the veteran players. Like if you are draft,
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: you know, let's say you don't get your tackle or
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: you don't get your receiver at the top of the
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: first round because you go one or the other. Like
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: I would love to see them trade back into the
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: end of the first round and get the guy.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: But you could do you could.
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: You could move up from thirty three, add in two
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: of the thirds to move to twenty five, right, right,
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: Maybe not even that much. Maybe you could get away
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: with less than that.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you could do it. So this way, somewhere you
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: know this one.
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: Then I can make a first round pick and I'd
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: feel a little bit better.
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and you can take a tackle, which would make
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: you feel even better.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: I'm still not feeling.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Go back to my other point that I made, I
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: agree Evan, you good teams build through the draft.
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: Yes, I don't think anybody would argue.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Not just through the first round. I don't want to
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: trade all the picks. Not just through the first round,
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: is my point. You need to be good in the
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: second and third round too, and every once in a
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: while get lucky further down.
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: Like the Rams traded all the picks. No one is
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: advocating doing.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: But teams that do that to me, that all the picks. No,
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: they already have the roster correct around it, right. They
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: don't need the pillar players. They have the pillar players,
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: the Aaron Donald's, the Matthew Staffords, and now they're trading
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: their first round pick for Jalen Ramsey to be the
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: cherry on top of the Sunday. Sure, the Patriots are
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: now trading their first round pick for the cherries on
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: top before they build the foundation. So like that, that's.
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: I totally get back, and that's what. But I don't
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: think Fred's advocating trading all the picks. He wants to
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: trade one pick to acquire two guys that are better
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: than that pick.
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, just stay on the Rams example, though. I mean,
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: once they did start drafting again, they're drafting well, especially
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: on the defensive side to the ball, adding guys who
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: are coming in and playing, and it's you know, not
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: what's happened.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: And the other thing about the Rams is they recognize
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: when other teams don't draft well and they laugh.
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: Laught TV because they're drunk. Mean people, du people laugh
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: at us.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: All right, let's let's get you involved, our listeners and
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: our viewers. Eight five five past five hundred is the
• 39:49
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• 39:52
  Speaker 4: What's going on with the coil?
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: Just missed an empty end?
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Huh that happens the mouse working?
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: Jeez, alright, jeez, what are you gonna go?
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: Turn it on?
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: Mouse working? Well, you did drop it, I know, I
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: did focus in this game. Yeah, it's good TV. I
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: got it. I got it. It just popped in. All right,
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: let's go first to Joe in New Hampshire.
• 40:20
  Speaker 9: What's up Joe, By guys, thanks for taking my call.
• 40:25
  Speaker 9: I know the focus for most of the beginning was
• 40:28
  Speaker 9: on the draft, which obviously makes sense with the first
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: overall pick online this week. But I just want to say,
• 40:34
  Speaker 9: after last week's game, I think they need to blow
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: it up, get new front office, new coaching. And I
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: might be in the minority here. I don't want them
• 40:43
  Speaker 9: to hire Mike Rabel. I want them to completely cut
• 40:46
  Speaker 9: ties with people to the dynasty. The only exception to
• 40:49
  Speaker 9: that I'd make is Brian Dable if he gets fired
• 40:52
  Speaker 9: from the Giants. I just kind of want to hear
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: your thoughts on that.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: So let me ask you a question. You said after
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: last game. I decided that you must have been really
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: close leading into the game, though, right, it wasn't just
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: last game.
• 41:06
  Speaker 9: Oh no, it wasn't just last game. I was close
• 41:09
  Speaker 9: going into it. But I just think putting that type
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: of performance up in front of the home base, and
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: I just think at this point there's no coming back
• 41:19
  Speaker 9: from it.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, was there anything they could have done in the
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: last game that would have changed your mind and say, oh,
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: let's on it back.
• 41:27
  Speaker 9: Uh be competitive, Not like I knew this year was
• 41:32
  Speaker 9: going to be rough, like record wise, talent wise, I
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: knew it was gonna be rough. But they're not even
• 41:39
  Speaker 9: competitive at this point.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, well thanks Joe. I appreciate the call.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: You know what, I I hear what he's saying.
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: Likes agree with it. If you're gonna blow it up,
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: to let you know if you're gonna blow it up.
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: I think bringing in people whose success wasn't tied to
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: Tom Brady makes a lot of sense.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: Well, vos wasn't.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: I didn't say it was. I'm just saying, you know,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: bringing in people whose success wasn't tied to Tom Brady,
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: Like a lot of people talk about Josh McDaniels is
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: oc Like, maybe we should look at people who we
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: can say, yeah, it wasn't because of Tom, you know.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: I mean it's just hard because you assume that their
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: first place they look is with some degree of familiarity
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: in people that they've worked with before. And I mean
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: I've heard, you know, plenty of people they did make
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: a change that this time. They want to see a
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: fully robust interview process where a number of candidates you know,
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: are considered. But I just, I mean, I just think
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: the general vibe from everybody is like something has to change.
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: You can't have this bad of a season and sell
• 42:40
  Speaker 7: it as it's gonna be better next year. Let's just
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: running back like something's gonna have to change this offseason.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Sean's and Virginia. What's up Sean? Oh doing Sean turn
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: that up? Mike Matt a little bit.
• 42:55
  Speaker 10: For me, I'm a total I'm not kind of like
• 42:57
  Speaker 10: an outlier when it comes to this, because I think
• 43:01
  Speaker 10: that dependent culk get close to ransom when it comes
• 43:03
  Speaker 10: to that uh pick, because there's a premier at the position,
• 43:07
  Speaker 10: and there's too many teams within that spot that needs
• 43:09
  Speaker 10: a quarterback, And if you had to take the time
• 43:12
  Speaker 10: to think about it, I'm pretty sure a lot of
• 43:13
  Speaker 10: people that within this organizations or with other teams, uh,
• 43:16
  Speaker 10: they're on the brink of probably possibly losing their job whatever,
• 43:20
  Speaker 10: so they might have one more chads, so they might
• 43:21
  Speaker 10: need to go out to this quarterback and there's only
• 43:24
  Speaker 10: two of them. I can go and accumulate deep pits
• 43:26
  Speaker 10: or whatever. I could possibly go ahead and get to
• 43:29
  Speaker 10: that spot I need to get to where I'm robbly,
• 43:31
  Speaker 10: like five or six or whatever, and then I would
• 43:33
  Speaker 10: use one of those picks up I may accumulate like
• 43:35
  Speaker 10: another fucking round pick or whatever, or another third, and
• 43:38
  Speaker 10: I would say you that you try to get DK Metcay,
• 43:41
  Speaker 10: but but at for a first pick, I'll probably take
• 43:44
  Speaker 10: ce Mat if I can. If I don't, I probably
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: go out of the head rusher or or I had
• 43:49
  Speaker 10: the deep tackle for my Michigan Okaying.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: All right, thanks Sean.
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: I would just say that I don't think there are
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: two quarterbacks based on the way that people are talking,
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: and people are talking themselves into two quarterbacks. This is
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: very similar to me to twenty twenty two, yep, and
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: everybody said this isn't really a quarterback draft, and they
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: were right, first one you got taken it like twenty twenty.
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: So I think there's a chance that these teams will
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: not talk themselves into one of these two guys, and
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: they'll just either decide the guy's good enough to take
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: at my original pick or he's not, and I'll just
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: pick the best player on the board and figure it out.
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: I mean, and I think that if you look, there's
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: something that I think that is starting to happen a
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: little bit more often with mixed results. But there's enough
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: teams now that are doing it. Just saying I don't
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: love Shdor Sanders, So instead of doing that, I'm going
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: to go to Sam Darnold, right, and I'm going to
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: wait till the year that I'm in the draft and
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: I can get a quarterback that I like. He worked.
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: Your boy Mayfield worked. Now, Atlanta did it with Kirk Cousins.
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: It didn't work. It didn't work. Now they were able
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: to do.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: But they were able to do well for other teams
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: in the past. Well, it didn't work this year.
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: Right. I mean, Kirk Cousins has been a good player.
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: It looks like the Achilles was something that he couldn't
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: come back from.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: He's been a guy that's moved around and had success.
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but he that was like young early in his career.
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: He left Washington and went to Minnesota. This is a
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: little bit different. I think you could sort of talk
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: yourself into one of these, you know, I'll call him
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: Bridge guys, Gino Smith. You know, Seattle has been relative
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: irrelevant with Gino Smith. If I were the Giants, I
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: wouldn't even think about taking you to a Sanders number two.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: I would think you'd get the bridge. I would.
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: This is gonna sound really silly. There's no chit. I
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: would just assume running back with Daniel Jones then then
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: talk myself into one of these guys that some AFC
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: scouts don't even think of first round talents at the
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: number two overall pick. Again, if I'm like at number twelve, I'm.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: Looking on like Sanders.
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: Sure, sure, I couldn't agree with Paul Moore though about
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: you know, the Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Gino Smith. I
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: would much rather do that if I was the Giants,
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: especially if Dable's still there.
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: Right, you can't do it with Daniel Jones. I get that,
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: that's just kind of a point.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: But Drew Law, Yeah, I would just I would much
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: rather do that route this year. You know, look, I
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: I know he's gonna have to get paid, but like
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: Brock Perdy, I'm one hundred percent sure is gonna is
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: going to be their long term with San Francisco, uh
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy and Sam Darnold, Like one of those guys
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: isn't going to be there. In Minnesota long term, so
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: you have an option like J. J. McCarthy is better
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: than both these quarterbacks in the draft as a prospect.
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: So like you, there's so many options I feel like
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: in this quarterback market that isn't in the draft?
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: What what what is the down? What is the the
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: knock on Shador Sanders?
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: He's just I would say that his you know, he
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: has a lot of the trades that teams are looking for.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: They're just not you know, if Drake May was out
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: of ten, you know his are at a seven. You know,
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: he's he's got requisite arm strength. I think he has
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: a little bit of that playmaking, you know, offscript type
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: of mobility. But it's just more you know, it's more
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: watered down, you know, it's not it's not quite as
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: impressive as some of the guys that came out last year.
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I haven't watched a ton of them, so I'm
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: not necessarily telling you I wouldn't say that no one
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: much at all. I mean they don't they don't really
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: win all that much. They beat the teams that they
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: quote unquote should beat. I think he runs around a
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: lot like backwards. I don't think he has great pocket
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: presence and from what little I've seen, points a lot
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: of fingers. Yeah, he likes to call out his offensive
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: line a lot. Kind of reminds me of Jake Cutler
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: at Vanderbilt stuff that he.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: Didn't have much, but he I would say that, you
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: know when you watch watching him on film, like he's
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: he's just his his traits are just not high end.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: I think that he's got but I don't.
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: Because he seems small to me. But maybe maybe he's
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: not as small as he.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: I don't think he's He's not Josh Allen justin Herbert,
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: But I don't think that's gonna be a big conversation
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: like you know it was with like Bryce Young for example.
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: Like cam Ward's small too. You know, I heard camp
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: someone compared cam Wood sort of size and style to
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: Kyler Murray. I don't think he's that good, you know,
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: I don't think he's as good as other Murdy was
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: in college, but he's a smaller guy athlete was really
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: productive in Miami this round. Oh absolutely. If there's a
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: silver lining, you were in position to make the quarterback
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: in the year that there was quarterbacks that were worth taking. Yeah,
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: that's the silver lining. And you got and you've got
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: one that looks good.
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: You think Dion's a consideration too with drafting Ship Sanders,
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: so that you're gonna have a little bit of.
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: A does he come with him?
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: I mean like the factor.
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: Dad talking how to should here do? Last week? You know,
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: I mean he's got a platform.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: Distraction just part of it.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: I think Shoudor Sanders could be a starting quarterback in
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: this league. I just don't think he's going to be
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: an elite starting quarterback. So that's probably a mid to
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: late round, first round pick if you're you're thinking that's
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: what he can be.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: All right, let's go to Eldred in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred,
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: Biggie Aldred? He is Matt turn it up a little. Yeah, yeah,
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: we can hear you.
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, there you go.
• 49:26
  Speaker 11: Okay, Happy New Year's to y'all, Same to you.
• 49:29
  Speaker 12: But yeah, I saw that little draft thing where the
• 49:35
  Speaker 12: Raiders want to know the standards and they're from NFL
• 49:39
  Speaker 12: network thing, I think, and they they were given out
• 49:42
  Speaker 12: a first a sucket the father first.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: In prog What said that NFL network?
• 49:49
  Speaker 11: Hey, look at NFL excuse me a news news break
• 49:54
  Speaker 11: on it. I think NFL sack them from there. But
• 49:56
  Speaker 11: it's down there though it's on the news breaks.
• 49:59
  Speaker 12: First Raiders would trade Crosby a first, a sucket.
• 50:03
  Speaker 11: And the twenty six first.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: Wow, I do that in a harder getting centered, you
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: get centered?
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: I do.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: I do that so fast You're.
• 50:12
  Speaker 11: Gonna find it and I'm gonna shoot it to your
• 50:15
  Speaker 11: I am a camp.
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: Ye Oh No, I didn't say that. You didn't see
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: someone propose it. Yeah, I'm just saying I don't see
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: a team doing that. I saw two trade proposals that
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: didn't even evolve first round picks, just I mean, other
• 50:29
  Speaker 6: than the swap of picks, which people mistakenly all the
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: time count as an extra first round pick.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: So what if? What if? What Eldrid is saying, the
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: factor what the Raiders are factoring in is we want
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: Dion Sanders to be our head coach, and so by
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: doing this, we're gonna we're gonna get our head coach
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: as well, And that's upping the ante. It'd be great.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: What if that's part of it? Thanks?
• 50:53
  Speaker 7: Thanks, that's a little bit of luck that the Patriots
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: need this year, having this pick that sound.
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: Like a Tom Brady moved to here.
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: No, no, but how.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: Much, say, does Brady have anything?
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: I think I'll have a lot.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: You think he'll have a lot.
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I like probably make a trade down,
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: even if it's not for the king's ransom, even if
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: it's not for a huge package like we've seen in
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: years past. Sure, I think i'd probably put your minimum.
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: I mean, I would like a twenty twenty five or
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty six, I should say, first round pick.
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: How about a second and third this year? In a
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: future too. I thought what I heard this morning one.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: How far you're going from one to eight?
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: I think it was like six.
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: I'd still do it.
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: That's probably the jazz.
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that might have been the one I heard
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: yet because now I forget. I want a credit whoever
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: was talking about it, but I forget.
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: If there was if there was a Miles Garrett in
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: this draft that you were giving away with the first
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: overall pick, if there was, you know, someone of that
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: ILK that's you know, this this unreal, you know, future
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: Hall of Fame level prospect, then I wouldn't do it.
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: But in this draft, I don't really think there's a
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: huge difference between who you're going to be picking at
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: one versus who you're going to be picking six seven, eight,
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: So whatever you can get for the pick, I'd probably.
• 52:10
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  Speaker 3: Let me just j overside. So, yeah, have an opportunity
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: to go back and watch the film. He has full staff.
• 53:24
  Speaker 15: And you know, just like I said after the game,
• 53:26
  Speaker 15: it wasn't much positive to take out of the game.
• 53:29
  Speaker 15: I guess if you want to say, you know, there's
• 53:31
  Speaker 15: one thing positive. It's good to see Cold Strange out there.
• 53:33
  Speaker 15: And I would say he played pretty well, you know,
• 53:36
  Speaker 15: great out pretty well in the game. And for a
• 53:37
  Speaker 15: guy who hasn't played football in the year to go
• 53:39
  Speaker 15: in there and play center definitely definitely was encouraging. So
• 53:44
  Speaker 15: you know, for me, you know, today we have the
• 53:46
  Speaker 15: players in you know, we have our meetings and stuff
• 53:49
  Speaker 15: and and really just pushed forward to the last week
• 53:52
  Speaker 15: of the season. You know, I just got to be
• 53:53
  Speaker 15: able to stay the course through all all the negativity
• 53:57
  Speaker 15: and look again, as I've said, you know, winning cure
• 54:00
  Speaker 15: as all. We just need to win football games.
• 54:03
  Speaker 16: We'll open up questions, will say we've been going, hey.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Good morning, John. I know obviously we want to go
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: out this year with a win.
• 54:12
  Speaker 17: But any thoughts to not playing Drake May this week,
• 54:16
  Speaker 17: given uh the injury risk and given his style of
• 54:19
  Speaker 17: play and everything.
• 54:20
  Speaker 15: I would say right now that everything is, you know,
• 54:23
  Speaker 15: in consideration, and we'll see how the leak goes.
• 54:27
  Speaker 16: Next question Chris Price, followed by Chris Mason hey.
• 54:31
  Speaker 18: Rod, how much, if it all does the Bills situation,
• 54:35
  Speaker 18: the fact that they're locked into the number two spot,
• 54:38
  Speaker 18: they might sit some starters, they might have some guys
• 54:40
  Speaker 18: play a quarter, whatever the case may be. How much
• 54:42
  Speaker 18: of it all does that change your thinking when it
• 54:44
  Speaker 18: comes to gameplay and personnel in the rest of the situation.
• 54:48
  Speaker 15: Yeah, my expectation is, you know, if the guys are healthy,
• 54:50
  Speaker 15: then they're expected to be ready to go out there
• 54:52
  Speaker 15: and play. And again, I'm glad to see how the
• 54:54
  Speaker 15: week goes. But I understand the question. I just you know,
• 54:58
  Speaker 15: the guys are working hard and.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: We need to play football. Thanks, thank you.
• 55:03
  Speaker 16: Next question Chris Mason followed like Chris Ryan.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Hey Drod.
• 55:08
  Speaker 18: After the game, Daniel Laquaro said that it feels like
• 55:10
  Speaker 18: a lot of guys start giving up when things get hard.
• 55:13
  Speaker 15: I'm just wondering if you saw idea that on the
• 55:15
  Speaker 15: film in the second half when he reviewed it.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: You look, we saw guys still flying around.
• 55:20
  Speaker 15: Guys were still flying around giving good effort, and you know,
• 55:23
  Speaker 15: it was just all about.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Just execution as a whole. So I didn't see.
• 55:29
  Speaker 16: Chris Ryan followed by Doug Kai.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: Made hope ball as well as you.
• 55:34
  Speaker 17: Just wanted to ask you about your process when it
• 55:36
  Speaker 17: comes to uh Drake in that game where he gets
• 55:39
  Speaker 17: medically cleared. Although he was showing signs that he said
• 55:43
  Speaker 17: he got his bell wrung, he was showing signs that
• 55:44
  Speaker 17: maybe he had had issues. Do you just completely trust
• 55:48
  Speaker 17: in the medical staff in that instance or do you
• 55:51
  Speaker 17: kind of take a step back and think about everything.
• 55:54
  Speaker 17: How do you evaluate during that type of a situation.
• 55:57
  Speaker 15: Yeah, as soon as they've go into the tent, I
• 55:59
  Speaker 15: just wait to hear back from the medical professionals and
• 56:01
  Speaker 15: the independent evaluator.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: If they say it's fine, then it's fine.
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 56:07
  Speaker 16: Thanks Mike Grease followed by Doug Kai.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: Could you ride a big, big picture question.
• 56:12
  Speaker 19: I'm just curious, what do you feel are the most
• 56:14
  Speaker 19: impactful things that you've accomplished in your first year as
• 56:18
  Speaker 19: head coach.
• 56:20
  Speaker 15: I'll just say, you know, just you know, being able
• 56:22
  Speaker 15: to weather the storm, and it seems I have been
• 56:24
  Speaker 15: in the storm for a long time, and I think
• 56:26
  Speaker 15: the players, you know, as a whole, I would say
• 56:28
  Speaker 15: they've come into work every day during the difficult season.
• 56:31
  Speaker 15: I think that's been a huge piece of the puzzle
• 56:33
  Speaker 15: and hopefully we can keep that going forward. You know,
• 56:35
  Speaker 15: we had eight one score games this year and we
• 56:37
  Speaker 15: just got to honestly, we'll have to win those games,
• 56:39
  Speaker 15: and that's what the NFL is and that that's going
• 56:41
  Speaker 15: to be the goal going forward.
• 56:44
  Speaker 20: Doug Pie, followed by Andrew Callahan, Good more and Drod.
• 56:48
  Speaker 20: We didn't see captain's patch on Jacoby Brissett's jersey. Is
• 56:53
  Speaker 20: there any update to his captaincy.
• 56:56
  Speaker 15: No, he said, all right here, just left off the jersey.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Though, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.
• 57:03
  Speaker 16: Thanks Andrew Callahan. Follower Phil Perry, Good morning, girod is
• 57:09
  Speaker 16: Drake Maine Concussion protocol.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: Uh not as No, he's not, Thank you, Phil Perry.
• 57:17
  Speaker 16: Fall By mean steel.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: Let me say, let me say, as far as my understanding,
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: he is not in the protocol when it's where would
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: you learn that? If he is? It will be today?
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Phil Perry. Hey, Rod, could you describe how
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: you and Alex have communicated this year?
• 57:44
  Speaker 17: How would you characterize your level of communication and how
• 57:48
  Speaker 17: well it's gone in your opinion.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: That if we're in constant communication.
• 57:51
  Speaker 15: We speak every single day, we're meetings every single day together,
• 57:55
  Speaker 15: and it's been good.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Obviously, again, you know, without record, I mean it's.
• 57:59
  Speaker 15: Easy to say, well, maybe this or maybe that, but
• 58:01
  Speaker 15: our communication has been great.
• 58:06
  Speaker 16: We can still feel like all that, Chris Gasper, I'm sorry,
• 58:09
  Speaker 16: Chris christ.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: One Drude. Just as of right now, you guys are
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: in line for the number one overall pick next year.
• 58:20
  Speaker 17: How does that, if it all affect your game plan
• 58:23
  Speaker 17: going into this week?
• 58:26
  Speaker 15: Focus on building the Buffalo Bills. I mean, that's what
• 58:29
  Speaker 15: we have to do, Chris Price.
• 58:33
  Speaker 18: Fall, Like Chris Ryan, d Kean White was very outspoken
• 58:38
  Speaker 18: toward the end of the week and then after the
• 58:40
  Speaker 18: game as well. I know you said on the pregame
• 58:42
  Speaker 18: show you had a chance to speak with him, you
• 58:44
  Speaker 18: guys are okay. I don't know if you've had a
• 58:46
  Speaker 18: chance to kind of catch up with him since his
• 58:48
  Speaker 18: comments after the game and how those conversations have gone.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I did and spoke this morning.
• 58:53
  Speaker 15: I'm going to keep those conversations private, but we're on
• 58:56
  Speaker 15: the same page.
• 58:57
  Speaker 16: Thanks, Thanks Chris Ryan, followed by Doug kye.
• 59:02
  Speaker 17: Ared you mentioned earlier, you know, eight one score games
• 59:05
  Speaker 17: throughout the course of this year, and you had high
• 59:09
  Speaker 17: expectations for establishing, you know, the brand of football you
• 59:12
  Speaker 17: wanted to establish coming into the season. I'm just kind
• 59:14
  Speaker 17: of curious now as where at the last game, do
• 59:17
  Speaker 17: you feel that this has been more challenging than did
• 59:20
  Speaker 17: you anticipated?
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: And how would you kind of.
• 59:22
  Speaker 17: Evaluate where things have on compared to your expectations going
• 59:27
  Speaker 17: into the season, how you've grown as a coach throughout it.
• 59:31
  Speaker 15: I appreciate the question. Look, I knew this was going
• 59:33
  Speaker 15: to be a challenging season, you know, for a year
• 59:34
  Speaker 15: head coach. Obviously, the expectations here are always high. Unfortunately,
• 59:39
  Speaker 15: we just haven't been able to meet, you know, those expectations.
• 59:42
  Speaker 15: Now I'm saying that I think the biggest problem with
• 59:44
  Speaker 15: us as a team starts with me is just being consistent.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: It's about consistency.
• 59:48
  Speaker 15: It's about consistency in the field, It's about consistency, uh
• 59:52
  Speaker 15: inside the building.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: And you know, we just got to continue to work on.
• 59:54
  Speaker 16: That dog high followed by Mike Grees and I know when.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 20: You sat up to the game that it was a
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 20: coach's decision to start Remandra Stevenson over Antonio Gibson, can
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 20: you give us a little more intelligent into what exactly
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 20: happened there?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: No, I was really intel. I mean I'm you know,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: stick with coach's decision on that.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 16: Thanks Mike Greece, followed by Mike Jarret Bright.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 17: Up up to this point, Joe Milton has been the
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 17: third quarterback in every game.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: How much motivation is there internally to maybe.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 9: Bump them up to the game day roster this week
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 9: and just to see more of.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: What you have in an actual game.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 15: There's absolutely a possibility, but like I said earlier, you know,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 15: all things are still in consideration.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 16: We'll take two final questions Mike Jaredy and Mark games Mad.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 19: I'm curious after seeing the film the pitch to Popmandre
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 19: sort of what happened there. I know some guys talked
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 19: about there being some heavy pressure on that side. Is
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 19: that something they were maybe Day should have checked out
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 19: of the play.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 15: You know, look, they had a good player coming off
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 15: to the edge, and again it just goes down to execution.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 15: We've been playing anytimes in practice and just couldn't get
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 15: it done in the day.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: Thank you. Thanks.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 16: Last question, Mark Damians Bed drag.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: Good morning with we know this one game left. Have
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: you been given as surance by ownership that you'll return
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: next season?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 15: I'm always in constant dollarship and Philip, we're still on
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 15: the same page.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Thanks, thanks everyone, Thanks us, and now great
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  Speaker 3: moments in history.
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  Speaker 21: I ended up turning around and selling reselling the ticket
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  Speaker 21: on Ticketmaster and actually made more on one ticket than
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 21: I paid for the two.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 21: So I get to the game, you know, and and
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  Speaker 21: I and I sit down and there's this really nice
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 21: little old lady and.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 6: She's like, oh, how did you get tickets and Ticketmasters? Yeah,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: I just I just bought mine.
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  Speaker 21: My husband, who is a big Patriots fan, he passed away,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 21: and so I felt like I.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 8: Needed to be here for it. And I'm just feeling
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 8: worse and worse that I, like, it wasn't this money.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 8: And then it was so bad she couldn't even drive
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  Speaker 8: to the game. She had to leave early to catch
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 8: the train to like get back, so.
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  Speaker 6: She had to leaven.
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  Speaker 7: Person I'm sitting I just bought it on Ticketmaster for
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 7: eight million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: That's another great moment from all.
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  Speaker 4: Right back car pages on Filter at eight five to
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  Speaker 4: five Pats five hundred is the tpxline podcasts at Patriots
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  Speaker 4: dot com and the capital's just scored.
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  Speaker 6: Look at your iPad, see if they were offside.
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  Speaker 4: I can't now, I can't. Okay, all right, So we
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: tons of emails coming in, which is great. As always,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: I thank people for their engagement, their participation. The most
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: important email I see. It's from James in Atlanta by
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: way of mate. He wants to know if Deuce is
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: wearing skinny jeans. Doucy wearing skinny jeans.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 7: So they don't flare at the bottom. But I don't
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 7: think they're skinny.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: They're not skinny jeans, but they're the normal genes that
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: come out nor days. Back in the day, jeans were
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: a little bit more comfortable fitting. Now your normal jeans
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: are kind of skinny.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 7: He's got some stretch to them. I like the stretch.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the other thing, stretchy jeans.
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  Speaker 6: They like Mom jeans, the stretchy hell.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: The Mom jean partner I remember makes fun of I
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: remember when you bought denim jeans from Levi's. It took
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: like a month before they were worked in.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 7: They were like card but then they were like party
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 7: you had to hang on to them.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: Of course, but it took a while for them. Now
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: they come already broken.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: In, they're already got a hole in them.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: It's it's not great.
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  Speaker 5: It's awesome. It's because we realized that jeans actually aren't comfortable,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: so we're going to make them comfortable jeans.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: That's right.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: Now they look like jeans.
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  Speaker 6: But jeans are very comfortable.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the jeans I wore. You can light a match
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  Speaker 4: on them.
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  Speaker 6: You know that's not comfortable.
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  Speaker 22: Though.
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  Speaker 4: Over there my my uh hand rolled cigarette.
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  Speaker 7: We missed that this year, Paul, we haven't had the
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  Speaker 7: I mean, do I agree?
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  Speaker 6: Couldn't say it better, couldn't better myself.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go to Texas, Jose on the TPX outline. What's up, Jose?
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  Speaker 23: Hey, guys, how's it going?
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  Speaker 4: All right?
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  Speaker 23: So, Fred I was always with you. The morale the
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 23: locker room got to be up. So that's why I
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 23: think we're going to beat the bills this week and
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 23: we're gonna be picking in the top five.
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  Speaker 4: So why do you think the morale's up?
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  Speaker 23: Yeah, I mean you just got to have.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: Faith, okay, So you want to win.
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  Speaker 23: It's not that I want to win, it's for the
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 23: locker room to have a good morale up. Okay, be
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 23: a good dart to the off season, and Drake Maye
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 23: is just gonna gonna show up from there and then
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 23: we'll get one of those edge guys.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 24: In the draft.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there's a possibility that the morales up and
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  Speaker 4: they still lose, you know, I just yeah, but okay,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: thanks Jose.
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  Speaker 7: Do you guys think that they're having the first overall
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: picked though? I mean, like, is it kind of a
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 7: scarlet letter to where like you're you're the worst team
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: in the league last year like that. I mean, as
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 7: much as you like, that's you, you can trot it out,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: especially in the year.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: Like this, there's not a sort of obvious price.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: Right you want to do this? Yeah?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: I had that that feeling after the game on Sunday
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: when I was almost like they're the worst team in
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: the NFL, Like they're literally the worst team in the league.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: And I was like, that is not fun.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: You want to know what, you know, like to illustrate that,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: obviously you have the number one pick, so but the
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 6: whole Tankathon thing when you go on that website, you
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: know what, like that's breaking down the tiebreakers or the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 6: strength of schedule, and you know why that they win
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: the tiebreaker for everybody because their schedule is deemed to
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: be easier than everybody else, is right, Like it's just
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 6: like to Evan's point, like that just like sort of
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: hits you right in the face.
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  Speaker 4: Even with an easy schedule, Even with an.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 6: Easy schedule, we're not as good as the other teams
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: that have, you know, obviously the same amount of question
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: marks the Giants. I just I watched a lot of
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 6: that Giants game because we got a you know, we
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 6: got a red zone Sunday out of it, and man like,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: they played really well in that game, and I know
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: it was a fluke. It was a one off. I mean,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 6: I see what that would happen the rest of the year.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 6: But like the pages haven't really had any of those
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  Speaker 6: except for Week one. But even that was a sixteen
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  Speaker 6: to ten nail bier in a game that was like
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: what a line unwatchable? This was like they couldn't they
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 6: couldn't stop them. The Colts couldn't stop them. They scored
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: forty five points.
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  Speaker 7: There might have been ways like even last year to
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 7: you know, point out some details of like yeah, but
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 7: but not this year. I mean, as I said the.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: Top, like all the stats back it up.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to hear about the close games.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 7: Okay, so I want to score fred I told all this,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 7: I told Paul this. I was I had a moment
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 7: where I think, I'm like, oh, this would be a
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 7: good Paul thing. I was at home and I heard
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 7: Badar yesterday on felgrim As and he mentioned, you know,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 7: this might be the worst Patriots season since what nineteen two,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: which I think the Patriots got two and fourteen that year,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: And so I was just curious, and I looked up
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 7: how many one win how many one score losses that
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 7: they had?
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  Speaker 4: Five?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 7: They had five that season back then.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 6: So I mean, I think, how many one score losses
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  Speaker 6: they have this year?
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  Speaker 4: Sick? I did eight.
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  Speaker 6: No, they've been eight one scored games.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 7: Eight once we're games, but I think they won two
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  Speaker 7: of them.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: Like a few weeks ago. I did the math, six
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: sixty nine percent of the games this season up to
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: that point, where once eight points the Wessah, that's just
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: how that's how it works in the NFL.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 7: It's not like, oh we're close, we just are a couple.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: Say there are no homecoming games in the NFL.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 7: The other thing that bugs me is the inconsistency thing,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 7: and that's what you know, Gerak keeps hitting like, we
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 7: just need to be consistent. I'm like, no, that's not it.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 7: What I've just wid is that every NFL team has
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 7: a handful of plays during the season where they look
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 7: competent or games or sequences or quarters. But it's the
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 7: good teams that start to play above and beyond and
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 7: you know it's not, well, we're close games.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: Make the follow up is why can't you be consistent? Yeah,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: and that's because we're not a good team, right, because
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: good teams are consistent.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's talent, yes, right, talent. You know in
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 5: Buffalo they get out to a fourteen nothing lead, but
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: they can't sustain it because they don't have the talent
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: on the offense to sustain it, right, Like they can
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: put a drive together here and there, but they can't.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: And that's part of my thing that I've sort of
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: come around on with the consistency, the lack of consistency
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 6: for the Patriots, it's really more about the other team.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 6: Like the Chargers played really well. I'm not taking anything
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 6: away from the Chargers on Saturday.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: They play like.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 6: They played really well. They were intense from the start
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 6: of the game, and they had a couple of drops
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: on the first drive, and then they were basically flawless
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: for a long stretch. The Bills didn't have that intensity
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 6: at the start of the game, and as Evan said,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 6: they fall behind fourteen to nothing. They turn it on
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 6: for the next two quarters, score twenty four straight points
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: and they you know, they end up winning, you know,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: somewhat easily at the end. So it's to me, it's
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: more about what the other team is doing consistency wise.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's because they don't do anything. The Patriots don't
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: do anything to threaten the other team, whether it's scheme
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: or it's it's talent, Like, they don't do anything that
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: is like, we got to prepare for this, but we
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: got to worry about it.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: Bud Light is easy to drink, easy to enjoy. The
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: Patriots are easy to offend and easy to defend.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: I was gonna say it's full sides and half.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, if you look at it, you know, the
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: whole Like, they lost six to one score games, so
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 6: they could be the record could be so much better.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 6: They were a yard away from being one and fifteen.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah right, I mean that guy for the Cincinnati that
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 6: drops the ball as he's going into the end zone
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 6: and Rimondrie Stevenson's game winning touchdown was a blade of
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 6: the grass, you know, into the end zone. You one
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 6: last yard and you could have one win. Yeah, then
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 6: think about it. I mean to see that.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: That's like, no, Kendall's in North Carolina.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 6: Hey Kendall, that's worst all time teams. Hey as you
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 6: guys doing good.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 25: I got a quick question, does Elliott Wolf Does he
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 25: attend the games? Because I know I watched most games,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 25: and I thy teams they put the GMS in their
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 25: owners like in the press ball. They actually put the
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 25: camera on him during the game. But I haven't say
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 25: I don't really see Wolf, Like does he speak during
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 25: the season that more.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: Of them he's there? Yeah, Usually on the road he's
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: in the press box. And at home, I don't know
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: where he is, but down to the coaches booth or
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: something like just to sit up.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 7: Top near us and some of the homes.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: Yep, that's it, okay.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 7: I always arrange though, when like we go down a
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 7: halftime to grab some food and then like comes strutting
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: out and I'm like, you know, walking with someone who's like, God,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 7: that was terrible high and it's like.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: Will walking right this way, Like, do you think you
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 6: think it's been quiet? I think it's odd that we
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: haven't heard from him Elliott. Yeah, like during the course
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 6: of the season. I know a lot of fans are
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 6: starting to wonder why, you know, why isn't he spoken there?
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we haven't heard from since August, right.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: I know, not press conference, which did not go well.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I just well, I.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: Mean we did.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: If we did hear from him, it would be setting
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: a new precedent for this team because normally we didn't
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: have a GM, so it was all Bill. So you'd
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: be starting a new tradition sort of if you're you know,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: GM or senior executive vice president whatever his title is,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: started talking during the season.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 7: You never heard from Peoli or Nick cass any of those.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: Now you didn't hear from until the off season in
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: the draft.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: I do feel like we got different trade deadline. I
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: want to say one year we.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: Did get macro trade deadline.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: Trade deadline okay, but very rare. And I have no
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: problem with him not talking during the season, but he
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: should talk next week.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think he should talk during
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: the season. I just don't because nothing he says in
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: a bad season can supper and I don't.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: I don't have the answer because I don't know how
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: other teams are on the league do it. Yeah, so
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 6: I don't know if like Brett Beach talks, they do
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: talk a lot on a regular basis, not.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: Like semi regular, and I I I don't necessarily have
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: a problem with it, but like, yeah, you look at
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: you know, just teams around town. I know it's different,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: different leagues and stuff, but like they have end of year.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: Press common Oh yeah, yeah, that's different.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 6: The owner, the general I would think that we'll have one.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think it's a slippery slope unless it's
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: a regularly scheduled thing. For all of a sudden, your
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: GM pops up, I'm gonna do a press conference this week?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: Like why this week? Yeah, it's definitely not last week.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: I think you could probably do it mid season.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: Again, it's got to be scheduled.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 7: I'm saying on the trade deadline, that's.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: A good time.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: I just think the Patriots way is different because Bill
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 6: was the GM, and Bill spoke every day so you
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 6: didn't need to have Poli or talk. Bill was the.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: Guy, John writes in he says, I disagree with Fred
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: that we can't know whether it's the coaching or lack
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: of talent that creates repeat mistakes. Everyone called the Chargers
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: a well coached team. Good coaching is putting players in
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: the right spots, receivers not running into each other, defense,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: rallying to the ball in game, clock management, clear messaging,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: same with recognizing good talent evaluation. If Mayo and Wolf
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: get fired, who's lining up to hire them? Also, Drake
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: may wasn't mentally broken in college when his coordinator changed.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: We have the chance to hire the best GM and
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: head coach, clean house, He says.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: To be fair, Drake May's junior season was way worse
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: than his sophomore season when they changed coordinators. Now, they
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: did lose some guys to the NFL as well, so
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: that was that was part of it. But just to
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: be fair, But I I've come around on the idea
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: of just like with head coaches, I think it's kind
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: of a catch all, but like culture is probably the
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: most important part of you know, who are you going
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: to hire, what's the direction of the program, what's the philosophy?
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: And I just haven't heard enough of that sort of
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: thing with your odd really since the beginning to be
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: like all jazzed up about his future, because I just
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: I don't feel like that. You know, Jim Harbaugh came
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: in with the play, you know, like he set a
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: course for that organization and for what they were going
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: to do. He brought in coordinators that are respected and
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: that are been part of the Harbaugh tree for a
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: very very long time, and you know, that's that's the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: cell to me with Rabel is that I feel like
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: he is going he would come in here with an
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: idea of how they want to build the program and
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 5: with coordinator hires and with sort of a structure that
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: he's going to put in place immediately, Whereas I feel
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: like with Dira, because of his experience, it's been more
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: learned on the fly of how exactly we want to
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 5: do those things. And I think that's kind of how
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: we've gotten to this point.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: Gary and Harvard. Right sin he says that don't throw
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: away the Christmas gift, and he's talking about that first overall,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: pick three facts. He says, like all rookies late in
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: the year Drake May's tired, making him much more likely
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: to get hurt. The Giants gave the Patriots an incredible gift.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: We absolutely cannot squander the first draft pick in this
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: specific draft. It is worth vastly more than the fourth pick.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 6: I don't know if I agree with it, it's the opposite.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 6: Again, it depends on I'm not suggesting they should give
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 6: away the pick or whatever, but I don't understand the
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 6: mentality that.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: Getting a second great cornerback would be a dumb move
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: given the other more important needs. So play the rookies
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: that aren't tired, get a bidding war going for pick
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: number one, and trade it for several lower picks and
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: use those on linemen both sides. If Wolf can't pull
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: that off, he needs to go. He and the evaluation
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: staff needed to go after last year's draft. It was
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: obvious to me the day after the draft, and the
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: record proved it. So that's Gary's take.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: Its obvious to you the day after the draft. You
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: knew the day after the draft that.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 6: But those are the kinds of quote unquote plans that
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 6: I think everybody would agree with. Yeah, trade the pick
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: for a ransom great now get someone to give you
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 6: a ransom. That's the hard part. I know everybody has
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 6: the idea, which you know, trade for Dk Metcalf, you
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 6: trade for Max Crosby, give you know, get a ransom
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 6: in the drug. Yeah, those are all great plans, I agree,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: you know, like, is Ronnie Stanley available in free agency
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: for Baltimore? They're not going to resign him. I'll take
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 6: him too. But that's not like you don't just snap
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 6: your fingers and all these things happen right like you
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 6: got to you gotta execute it. What if those guys
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 6: aren't really available?
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 7: Is there any world team wants to trade up for
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 7: Travis Hunter?
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 7: That's easy question because right now I just I don't
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 7: see it. I think teams are just gonna sit and
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 7: laugh at the Patriots being the first overall pick and saying,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 7: you gotta just make that pick because we're not cheating
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 7: with you. We're gonna wait.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: For a quarterback. You're Jacksonville in twenty twenty.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 6: And so from my view, I do not see a
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 6: bidding war unfolding either in this draft. If if I'm
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 6: to take these guys at their word, they talked a
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 6: lot differently about the draft last year than they're talking
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 6: about it this year.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: This sounds exactly like the twenty twenty two draft, which
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: is my biggest fear. The Jaguars were stuck. They had
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence, but they didn't They had the number one
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: overall pick again, and there wasn't really a consensus number
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: one overall guy in the draft. They end up taking
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: Trayvon Walker. He's a good player, but he's not a
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: number one overall pick player, and so now you know,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: you don't really get anything out of it. It's not
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: the home That's why.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 7: That's why it's like Travis Hunter, like, let's go just
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 7: I mean, he's a special someone. You know, you can
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 7: get someone that decides that he is worth a ransom
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 7: to by all means, I think Gary plan but makes
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 7: all the sense in the world. I just don't think
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 7: it's as easy to execute.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: The only way that Travis Hunter is a draw to
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 5: trade up to the number one pick is if some
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 5: ownership group needs the Jersey sales and needs the splash
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: and needs the marketing.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: That's that's a franchise that's not long for this world.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: But don't be that franchise, right, Let that be somebody
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: else and maybe, I mean, I think that that's crazy,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: but like maybe there is a world where somebody says,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 5: you know, we're going to draft him because he's going
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: to be a phenom and we're going to be able
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: to sell it.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 7: You know, it's got to be And that's part of
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 7: the appeal to me too, Like I'm not gonna lie,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 7: like you need somebody who's gonna put butts and seats
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 7: in excuse me instantly? Training camp gets more interesting with
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 7: that guy in the mix.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: Franklin and Baltimore. I'm glad you guys are covering the
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: Patriots holding the number one draft pick, because I also
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: disagree with most of Patriot's nation believing some team would
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: trade a haul for either Ward or Sanders. The value
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: just isn't there this year, and I expect a QB
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: needy team to overpay for Donald slash trade for McCarthy
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: depending on what the Vikings do, or just stick with
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: a bridge quarterback rather than overdraft one. The Patriots were
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: just a year late holding the number one draft pick.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: If this were last year, then this conversation would make sense.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 7: Well, they would also they would have chosen right right.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: They got lucky I think that they had. They had
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: the third overall pick and a quarterback draft.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: Three quarterback, six quarterbacks.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 6: It's starting to look now like at least five. They
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 6: haven't seen McCarthy, but you know, Penix, I thought looked
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 6: pretty good again the other night.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: I mean that class last year. We're going to look
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: back on that in ten years and be like, what
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: a draft.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: I didn't even get to do my time management rant.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: I'll save that for later. I'll save it for Thursday.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: John says he's got a report contrary to the Dane
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: Brugler report. First to point out that the quarterbacks would
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: be six or seventh and last year's draft is kind
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: of silly because they're not in last year's draft. They're
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: in this one. I know what he's saying, but that's
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: what you do to continue with that.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: People just want so much to have something good happen.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 6: I get it, because Saturday was depressing.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: I get it to continue with that. Field Yates, who
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: Evan also respects, and mel Kiper had their mock draft
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: podcast and their feeling is because there's only two quarterbacks
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: in this draft, that makes the market for the first
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: pick even hotter. Yates had Shador and cam Ward around
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: the teens as far as prospects go, but said that
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: a QB needy team may may not giving up a
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: ransom such as what the Bears got, but still be
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: looking at potential future first and maybe a player now
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: to each his own, if players want to draft to play.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know what he means by here anyway. Anyway,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: he's saying that because there's only two, you won't get
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: the King's ransom, but you could get more than you think.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean great, Like I hope it happens, Like
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: I really do hope it happens. I just I just
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: don't see it. I don't see these quarterbacks. It's not
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: because you're not just taking the quarterback, like now, you
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: have to factor in if Shador Sanders really worth the
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: first overall pick plus me trading you know, a future
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: first and you know multiple picks for him, like it's
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: a whole package that you're thinking of trading. I just
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: I don't see that in this draft with these quarterbacks.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I hope I am
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: for the Patriot's sake, But I just don't see it happening.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 7: There's a real part of me that just wonders if
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 7: they might be better off ending up at five, like
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 7: if that you know, four, whatever the lowest that they
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 7: could do. I mean, I just I think a lot
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 7: of us would be on the same page if you said,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: all right, they're gonna make a trade. They're gonna come
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 7: away with Kelvin Banks in the top ten, and they're
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 7: gonna pick up an extra top one hundred pick this year,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 7: and you know whatever is next year. But you know,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 7: to go into this in this draft with after round one,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 7: you've got to tackle, and you've got a couple picks
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 7: right away in that second round to work with. I
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 7: think that, like that's probably my dream scenario right now,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 7: and then you can you know, look at receivers and
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 7: look at edge players and all the other needs that
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 7: you need. But that's if you lined it up perfectly.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 7: I just don't know how to get there.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: Well, that's why I would just make the trade anyway, Like,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 5: even if you're really trading it for less than what
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: it would go for another years, Like, I still just
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: think that the extra draft capital is worth it, right
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: because you're you still want to get You're still gonna
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: draft one of the same players, right, it's still gonna
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: be Banks, Abdul Carter, Ted McMillan, Like it might not
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: be Travis Hunter, but okay, Like you're still drafting out
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: of the same pool at four or five as you
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: would be at one in a non quarterback year. So
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: then get whatever you can for it, like get the
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: extra picks and then if you.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 7: Just have to take Banks at four, and like maybe
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 7: it's a little bit of reach, but like it's a
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 7: real need and he's a legit left eye.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: Right, and you're taking Banks at four with what you
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: got in the trade, right, you know, so I still
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: do it.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Speing Fresno writes in this is funny. After Saturday's calamity,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: I'm in full off season mode. In that spirit, I'd
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: like to present the following catalog of the most overused
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: words or phrases on the show. Here we go. Paul's
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: most overused word is overly, as in I'm not overly
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: concerned with who they pick in the sixth round or
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: I wasn't overly impressed by you. Two close second is
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: saying I'm sorry when not really sorry about anything. Fred's
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: most overused phrases when I was fourteen, but a close
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: second of his use of uh, as in, let's go
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: to the TPX hotline. Mike's used to be I'm curious,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: but has become it's just so, followed by a dejected adjective,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: as in, it's just so disappointing or it's just so frustrating.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 6: He says that to me, I'm just so disappointed in you.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: Paul to Evan's most overused word is right. It's the
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: go to filler word of many intellectual types.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 22: Right.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: Also for Evan, Toyota gets an honorable mention. Alex's is
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: anything synonymous with manifest Second place goes to the Chief Chiefs.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 6: That Alex Alex, Alex Alex Francisco.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: Okay, Tamara is any sports cliche as in, you gotta
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: leave it all on the field, or that's why they
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: play the game. No socks is correct, I'm not giving
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: Marine one because he still owes me a T shirt.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: Andy's was horrific, though truly his most overused expressions were
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: gaseous in nature. That's true. Eric's was nothing because he
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: said anything, because he never said anything. Todds is everything
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: he says because he says nothing. For Patty, I can't
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: tell because he's too effing wasted, and nick Baby loves
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: is Cappy to poopy Cappo, because we all know it's
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: okay to make fun of Italians others in consideration, we're
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: Biggie's horn toots, Christians all right, sweet kids up, y'all,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: and Hardy's crusty laugh. But those aren't overused since they're
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: all always awesome. It's kind of like a New Year's
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: rap for it. A little bit, A little bit tps
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: houtline A five to five past five hundred. Let's see
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: what's going on over there. We'll start with Nelson in Louisiana.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: What's up Nelson? Or is that La La? I'm sorry,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: what's up Nelson? Nelson? He's not there? All right, We'll
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: go down to Florida where Zach is waiting. What's up Zach?
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 26: Hey, guys, hope you're all doing well. I don't usually
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 26: get a call in or watch live, so if you've
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 26: covered this already, my apologies. I had one quick question
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 26: and then a mini rant i'll take offline. The first is,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 26: I know the draft doesn't actually work this way, but
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 26: if we could add one of Malik neighbors or Joe
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 26: Alt to the team, right, now, who do you think
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 26: would have made a bigger impact this season, And then
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 26: if you guys want to apply that to the receivers
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 26: and the tackles in this year strapped as well. I
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 26: know we'll add more through free agency and then through
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 26: the rest of our draft picks. But I actually think
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 26: the answer might be Neighbors. I just feel like the
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 26: way he makes plays and is able to score touchdowns
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 26: from anywhere on the field would be a huge thing
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 26: for Drake and this team to have. And then the
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 26: rank I have is there's two things you can always
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 26: be regardless of the talent you have on the team,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 26: and that's prepared and confident.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 24: I don't get a.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 26: Call, so some of this is older news, but this
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 26: team clearly lacks confidence, which I think is on display
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 26: by Drawn Mayo after the Cardinals game coming out and
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 26: just listing a bunch of stats and how the game
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 26: was closer than it actually felt. And it feels like
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 26: we don't have confidence that we're doing the right thing,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 26: so we have to over justify what we're doing to get.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 24: To that point.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 26: And two is the lack of preparation. I feel like
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 26: that's on display most weeks, whether it's the Titans game,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 26: not electing to go with the win, change in overtime,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 26: or other things that have happened along the season. I'm
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 26: not a fire Mayo guy one hundred percent, but I
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 26: just don't know how you can justify two elements that
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 26: are essential to get good teams being completely void on
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 26: this team and feeling confident that those two elements are
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 26: going to start to show up. And that's everything I have.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 26: I'll take it off the line, guys, thanks.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: Z that good call.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: You get confidence by winning and having success, So I
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: think it's hard to have confidence when you're three and thirteen.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: What about the other part, preparation, and yeah, that.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 5: I agree with. I mean, I think preparation and just
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: overall direction are big problems.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: So I would say that the preparation has been very inconsistent.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 6: Like I think the Buffalo game. You come out, you
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: drive right down the field and score, and then you
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 6: come up with a stop and you drive right down
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 6: the field and score again. That's good preparation. But then
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 6: you get the game like this past one, where you
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 6: can't even move the ball for the first half of
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: the game and the other team's going right down the field.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 6: So I think it's been wildly inconsistent. There have been
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 6: games that I thought early in the game they looked
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 6: pretty good offense, and then it got progressively worse than
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 6: there for obvious reasons, right, Like you come up with
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 6: a good plan. That means you tricked them a little
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: bit for a while, and you overcame your lack of talent.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 6: They adjust, and then you don't really have any talents.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: Listen, we talked about it earlier. They're just not that good.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 6: Neighbors or Alt? Who would have made the bigger impact?
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: Go Neighbors.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 5: I'd say Neighbors probably makes the biggest year one impact
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 5: I would have. I would prefer Joe Alt in terms
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: of the long term.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 6: He's more cerebral.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 5: But I agree, I agree that year one, you know,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 5: Neighbors probably would have been more splashy and would have
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: made more plays. But how many wins did the Giants
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: have with Molik Neighbors?
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 6: No, I don't think it would have made a huge
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 6: impact on the team. Yeah, per se.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: But having you know, you wouldn't have Drake Anne neighbors.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: But in a dream world where you had Drakenn Neighbors,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: that would be awesome to like move forward with both
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: those guys. I agree with that.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: Cameron thinks that new uniforms will heal all, so we
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: need new uniforms to heal.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 6: This Cameron aka Mike.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 7: I'm not willing to loud that, you know, I mean
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 7: I got a whole take on the uniforms that like
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 7: they're like a symptom of like why things need to
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 7: be fixed around here, because the uniforms, you know, we
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 7: joke about do we like them or not, but like,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 7: no matter how you feelbout how they look, like they've
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 7: just been kind of Frankenstein together. Like this year we're like, hey,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 7: let's what if we did these pants with that one?
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 7: Like there's no real like thought or plan uniforms. So
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 7: it's kind of a metaphor.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: I might have hit on it for the whole team
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: of like it might be the key.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 7: Have you guys been.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 5: Seriously No, I'm dead serious.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 6: I had to blow up everything because if.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 7: Just I mean even go into like sometimes the wrong
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 7: numbers are on and people are like the font's wrong
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 7: on the back sometimes like it's just to me, it
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 7: speaks to like the uniforms have been Frankenstein. This whole
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 7: kind of operation has kind of been Frankenstein with pieces
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 7: from Bill and pieces from Gerard, and I don't know,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 7: it's just representative the whole thing.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 5: To me, it's great.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: I think you might be onto something there.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 7: I appreciate it.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: Matt says, I disagree with Paul beating the Bill Sunday
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: is meaningless. Who cares if they beat the Bill's second
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: string and a worst case Travis Hunter is the only
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: can't miss prospect, and picking one assurance at least you
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: get that in the best case someone gives you something
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: for number one pick because they want a quarterback. Even
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: a one and a two is better than picking at four.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 6: So how do you disagree with me?
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 6: I don't think there's any meaning in beating the Bills
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 6: on Sunday.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 7: No, I just I realize though, it's you. If you
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 7: just accept and you're okay with the Patriots selecting Travis Hunter,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 7: I think it'll be a peaceful spring. But it might
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 7: be more beneficial to take the stance of like, nope,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 7: wrong pick, Nope, don't want them, because I think there
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 7: are a lot of Travis Hunter stands out there that
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 7: would really get fired up by those like, yeah, how
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 7: can you not love him? You know, I do.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 22: I do.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 7: I'm on your team.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 5: But I pushed back on the camp miss thing a
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: little bit Travis Hunter. Yeah, because i'd where's he playing?
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 5: Like that's such a major factor in him as a
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: player that that in itself is a complication that could lead.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: See I think to me, in what I've seen of him,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: and I haven't crushed it like you have, he's shown
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: the attributes of an elite corner. Yes, so you bring
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: him in and he plays prows. Yeah, so you bring
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: him in and your play corner. Now you're in a
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: position where you've got too maybe all pro but certainly
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: Pro Bowl corners on your team. And when it comes
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: time to make a decision, if you don't want to
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: pay both of them, now you've got trade fodder to,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: you know, to keep building your team.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: I just worried about if it's this coaching staff and
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: it's this regime, Like getting that right is a factor.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 5: Like I'm not saying that they won't necessarily I don't
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: have a lot of faith, but I'm not saying that
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: they won't. But like it's not the talent that's that's
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 5: like holding me up. It's that's a lot like that's
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 5: gonna be a lot to negotiate and a lot to
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: sort of make.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: Then you're worried about anyone they bring in, you know,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: at at the top pick or.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: No, not really though, because if you draft Kelvin Banks,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: like you know, he's playing left tackle, if you draft
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: Abdul Carter, he's coming off the edge, like you you
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: know where these guys are gonna play.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 6: So have you had all been concerned with people talking
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 6: about Banks like I heard other people earlier talking about
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 6: Campbell as a guard because I hadn't heard that at all,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 6: and that sort of made the rounds last last.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 5: This is one of my biggest pet peeves is that
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: we get into the draft and every tackle is a guard.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: Every tackle he's gonna move inside to guard Like okay,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: well hold on for a second, Like what is your
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: reasoning for moving him inside? Because Campbell, Okay, you can
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: point to the arm light. That's a legitimate reason maybe,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: But with Banks, I don't see a legitimate reason.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 6: He looks typical.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 5: I don't see it.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: Do I think that he's going to be Joe Alt
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 5: or the next Joe Thomas or whatever? Not necessarily, but
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 5: I just don't see why we have to move him inside.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: And with Campbell, like, if he measures in at thirty
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 5: two and seven eighths and the threshold is thirty three,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: you're telling me that he automatically has to play guard now, Like,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: we're not even gonna give him a chance to see
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: if he can play tackle.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: But first, Like I think I remember talking to Dante
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: and one of the most important things he said was footwork. Yeah,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: it's how how your feet work is, keeping in position,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: keeping your base. You can make up for, you know,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: a tenth of an inch in your arm if your
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: footwork is good.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I think we do this way too often,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: and I think the league does it. And then they
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 5: look around and they're like, we have no tackles. It's like, yeah,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 5: because you moved all the college tackles inside to guard right,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 5: and so then you end up being a team like
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: the Titans that draft back to back offensive lineman because
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: Skearansky you move, you automatically defaulted to moving him inside.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: So now the next year you have to draft another tackle.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: You know, it's like, let's let them fail outside.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: First, you know, developing players, it's all about like does
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: the NFL have enough good quality coaches to develop these people.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: Bubba says, I can't believe what I'm hearing from Fred
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: and Mike. We need an NFL caliber O line and
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: wide receivers. Those are priorities. The rest is nice. To
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: have defensive tackle and edge rushers are nice, but without
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: an O line and wide receivers, we're wasting Drake's talent.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: We have a good long term solution a quarterback. Let's
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 4: building that. Please leave the nonsense in twenty twenty four.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 7: Oh all right, so we're not going to touch the
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 7: worst defense in league. It's that's good. We'll just get
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 7: some tackles and wide receivers.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: And we're going to crowbar guys that may not be
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: as good because it's an issue of need. No, you
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: take the best players.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I've been watching this defense all year
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 5: and they have needs on that side of the back.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 6: They need everything except quarterback.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 5: And corner one.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: They have one corner yep, I'll allow tpx hutline and
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: they have, but they have bigger They have two players
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: that people would say we have answers to the cut.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 6: There's fifty three spots. We have two that people feel
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 6: good about, and we're getting bitchy, getting picky what you
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 6: guys want and as opposed to what Evan and I want,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 6: Like they can pick anything.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: But I'm also on Fred's side of the street a
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 5: little bit of Like Mike on would be a perfectly
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: serviceable right now. Yeah, if they had real talent that
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 5: that we're making the work game changer talent, yes, right,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 5: like if you had you know, Hunter Henry is a
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: perfectly capable starting tight end in the NFL. I think
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: Remandre is a decent running back. They just don't have
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: the game changers. Yeah, they don't have the needle movers.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, this players of this team I keep, but
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: they're not. Now we need to get into contextion, like.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 7: I mean, like these like anphony. Jennings is an example,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 7: like yeah, that guy can set the edge in the
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 7: NFL like that, you know, for whatever it's worth issue.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 6: I don't know. He's He's another He's another member of
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 6: the front seven that can't stop the run. On his
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 6: job is to stop the run.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 5: He does his job.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 6: He sometimes sometimes he.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 7: Does his job, Paul, you're gonna let us have this.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 7: He didn't do can stop the run.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 6: He had an awful game in.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 7: BA, but he's a rotational piece, right, Like he's a
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 7: third edge guy. He's a third guy that like, all right,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 7: he's gonna prop a little early down, you know, and
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 7: that's a piece. But so if you get two edge
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 7: guys and you know you have your you know, your
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 7: judea On and your McGinnis or whoever it is, then
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 7: you know, then all right, if you're Jenny's a nice
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 7: little piece and he's gonna come in and play a
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 7: good role for you, and you know, and you're not
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 7: asking him is to do as much you're not asking.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: That.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 6: This is why I agree with you, Mike. I think
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 6: that like if you you can sell me that wide
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 6: receivers is the biggest need, left tackles the biggest need.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 6: Edge rusher is the big you can sell me on
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 6: any of these. So that's why I just say you
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 6: need to evaluate the players and decide which guy you
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 6: think is the most talented player who's going to have
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 6: the best career, and pick them because they need to
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 6: fill a hole everywhere.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would also say, like to your point, he
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 5: is about Anthony Jennings. I think with Bill he was
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 5: so good at you know, being really hyper specific about roles, right,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: so he had instead of getting like one really good
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: three down edge rusher, you know, they had Anthony Jennings
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: and Josh j So Anthony Jennings would play on early
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: downs and would play on third downs and they would rotate.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: Whereas with this team now, with this coaching staff, I
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: feel like they just need to get dudes like I
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: don't think that.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 6: Was on the team this year. Do you remember that.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: I just don't think that they can do it that
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 5: way anymore. I think Bill had a really unique skill
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: of being able to piece it together and knowing how
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: to use everybody exactly how they need to be used.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 5: I think you just need to draft Abdul Carter and
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: hope that he can play on all three downs.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: That's why some of draft Bill's draft picks story about him.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: Some of Bill's draft picks, so, you know, kind of
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: like head scratching, because he wanted players who he could.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 7: Use like chess pieces, role specific, right, But then you
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 7: end up where you're kind of at this year. We
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 7: have a bunch of different role pieces, but you can't
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 7: put them together to just play fundamental defense when you
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 7: need to, Like, you know, I think that's the biggest
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 7: thing I've seen this year. They just i mean, they
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 7: have nothing to hang their hat on. They don't take
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 7: the ball away, they don't stop the run, they don't
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 7: rush the passer. They're just they're kind of out there getting.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 6: Pushed and then like the offensive line for all the talk,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 6: you know, and people are going to be laughing because
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 6: I'm always the guy. Yeah, just figured that out. Mike
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 6: Reese tweets out today that they're dead land and whatever.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 6: The ESPN rankings are dead last in both like.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 5: Like across the board, like whether you use win rate PFF.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 6: Grow win rating, like run block win rate in past
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 6: block win rate dead last the worst offensive. Now there
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 6: are teams that are you know, somehow find a way
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 6: to do things despite that, like Cincinnatienties. Yeah, just you
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 6: gotta get just be serviceable.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 7: Right, It's i mean, it's kind of special in a
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 7: negative way to be this poorly ranked and everything. Like
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 7: even you know some of the past page it seems
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 7: like they'd be bad at a couple of things, but
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 7: you knew they'd always have a couple of things that
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 7: they did well.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: Jar Jared District of Columbia, what's up, Jared?
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 24: Thank guys, how's it going?
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 24: I just wanted to point out the draft.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 22: Is like three D tests, right, you got you have the.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 24: Best players available for your team and the opponent's team.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 24: So sometimes it's on record GM saying that they'll take
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 24: a guy just so another team doesn't.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 22: Take a guy.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 24: I proposed that. I proposed an idea of dang within
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 24: the top four, hopefully getting Travis Hunter, and then trading
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 24: back into the first round to take a tackle like
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 24: Wyatt Millium. I think it's perfectly feasible if Elliott Wolf
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 24: knows what he's doing in the draft.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 22: Secondly, to keep the.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 6: Rod male, they make it sound like it's easy.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 24: You would have to change the offensive coordinator. And if
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 24: that doesn't work for a year or two, you're giving
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 24: Drake made three different offensive coordinators in three different years.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 22: That destroys quarterback.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: Why are we training?
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 22: I would say, you got to clear how, you got
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 22: to get rid of Mail, you got to get rid
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 22: of Wolf and give give Drake May a chance with
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 22: a head coach that knows what he's doing and offensive
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 22: coordinators that don't coach cowardly.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 16: Thanks guy, all right?
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: Thanks Eric.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 6: Like the whole changing offensive coordinators, I totally readily admit
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 6: is not the ideal situation, but there's a lot of
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 6: guys that have dealt with that and been fine.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well I think too. I mean, maybe Evan can
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 7: speak to this little more than I can, but we're
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 7: generally speaking. I don't think van Pelt's parents system is
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 7: this crazy thing where you know, there are a lot
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 7: of other coordinators that probably would have a lot of
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 7: crossover with alexman Pelt, whereas if you were to go
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 7: to McDaniels, I think that is kind of a jarring
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 7: switch where now you're asking Drake to make line calls,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 7: you're putting a lot more on his plate.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 4: Like that is Ash should be smart enough to know
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: that what Tom Brady did, Drake may isn't ready to
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: do yet.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: Unless I'm more worried about the language change, Like it's
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: right the concepts of the concepts, Like I don't think
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 5: NFL teams are running concepts that are totally different from
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 5: system to system. But it's like it's a little like
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 5: speaking Italian instead of Spanish.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: Just as Cam Newton, they changed it all came back
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: from COVID.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 6: But Mike is right, they're gonna put a it's a
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 6: lot different system it's not because of the play necessarily.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 6: The only thing I could say for Josh mcgenials on
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 6: the plus side would be that if it works, he
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 6: probably would be here for a while. Yeah, yeah, you could.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 6: You could conceivably see him hopefully being with Drake May's
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 6: entire career, because yeah, I don't think Josh mcgenial is
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 6: getting another head coaching job or he's even certainly not
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 6: going to get you know, one really quickly.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: I just don't understand, Like with van Pell, I just
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: really feel like you're scapegoating Van Pelt if he's the
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 5: one that goes. And I'm not saying you can't upgrade
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 5: Alex Vampell, because everybody can probably be upgraded on this staff,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: but like, is that really the side of the ball
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 5: that's been the worst? Is that really the side of
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 5: the ball that should take the heavy criticism when he's
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 5: got like starting out of the offensive line and you know,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 5: stuff like that.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: If you're either the Crafts Drod Mayo or Elliott Wolf,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: how much of Drake May's opinion do you take in
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: a candid one on one conversation about Alex van Pel,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: Like if he tells you no, he's really good I've
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: learned a lot from him.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 6: Keep him zero points zero one person.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: You don't care?
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 6: Do I not care? I said zero point zero one percent?
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: You don't care?
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 6: I just like, what is he going to say? This
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 6: guy's a train.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: Round after the season. This isn't public, this is just
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: between the two of us.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 6: I would assume that he likes Alex van pell.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: Okay, duly so, But does that mean anything to you?
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 7: No, okay, I'm with Paul on that one. I mean,
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 7: I respect Drake's opinion, but we got to do what's
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 7: best for the organization. I just what E said for Drake.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 7: That's what scares me.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 6: Drake doesn't know what's best for him. That's that's why
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't hear him out. I don't know how much
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 6: I'm not making. I didn't say it's zero, it's just
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 6: you know, of smidgeon above zero. And I would also
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 6: say that I agree, you know, in large part what
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 6: Evan said. I think Alex van Pelt is out of
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 6: those guys has done his job the best. I said
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 6: this in the postgame show. I said it on Our
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: Chin Wag on the other post game show on the
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 6: Sports Hub, Wolf Mayo Covington van Pelt. All four of
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 6: them have sort of been under fire. I think a
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 6: strong argument can be made that Van Pelt has done
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 6: his job better than the other.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 7: Three, but he seems like he's the guy that's gonna
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 7: they make him walk the plank. I think that is
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 7: a terrible, terrible way to go about this too.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: If he's the only one.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 7: Take the one guy who is the outsider, not good
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 7: to actually had the hardest job and actually did some
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 7: good things with your most important player, and then to
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 7: make him the sacrificial lamb for this season, you know,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 7: without addressing the defense or the scouting staff or anything
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 7: else that.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: Lucas and Maine says. I have a wrap up of
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: the year by each month on how people were feeling.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: January happy season was over and looking forward to the draft. February, May, May,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 4: May mostly from Evan, but everyone agreed. March even more. May.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 4: You guys were obsessed, but so was I. April draft, Draft, Draft,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: we got May and Poke looks good. May optimism from
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: everyone except for Paul, but that was to be expected. June,
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 4: Poke looks great. In May they both look amazing in shorts.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: July we have a little bit of optimism especially from
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: the defense. On the defense from Mike, Okay, I think
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 4: he means that you were optimistic. August season is almost here.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: Who was going to start? May should start? Jacoby should not.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: September we won our first game and kept the competitive
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: in the next few. Maybe it's okay that May is sitting.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: October put May in.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 6: Not few, but next one. They were competitive in October
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 6: put May in. Poke looks horrible and we don't have
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 6: a defense or offense. November. May looks great, but nothing
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 6: else does except God. So let's go to the draft December.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 6: This is a bad, bad team. Even Mike can't say
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 6: the defense is good. It's a dumpster fire except May
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 6: and Gonzo. Let's go to the draft. Thank you guys
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 6: for keeping us informed. I don't miss an episode even
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 6: though I'm sixteen. You guys keep me entertained, and I
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 6: truly appreciate it.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: So there you go.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 7: See, we're starting him young.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 6: Even the sixteen year old's a snarky with me.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 5: I'm very sorry that you are becoming a Patriots fan
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 5: at this time instead of when I was sixteen.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: And you'll appreciate it every other year. You'll appreciate it
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: more when they get back.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 6: Most guys get credited when they accurately portray something. I
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 6: get scorned and mocked.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: And rikieled Robert, Nevada, what's up, Robert?
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  Speaker 24: Hello, I just had one quick question. What side of defense?
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 24: Are you guys on the fire Mayo side? Or keeps
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 24: him for next year? So I don't know if you
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 24: guys already talked about that or not, but I'll take
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 24: that off the air.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, Okay, thank you. Are we on the fire
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 4: mail or keep them?
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 6: I'm on the keep them, but short leash. I haven't
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 6: liked a lot of what I've seen. I just think
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 6: you knew what you were getting into. It's a little
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 6: bit bumpier than I expected, but this is what you
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 6: believed in. I think to just completely change course it's
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 6: a bad signal. So I guess right now I'm on
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 6: the keep them for another year.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I just what hits home for me
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 7: is the short leash. And you know, there's just isn't
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 7: really much to believe right now, Like it's hard to
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 7: believe the message from them.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 4: I'm worried. I'm worried, and I was always on the
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: keep mail, but I'm worried because nothing has improved. Yeah,
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: you can say that.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 6: I can't argue with that.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: You can say that under the umbrella of first year
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: head coach, you knew things were going to be rocky
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: and fair enough, but you expected that like some things
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: would show as the season progressed, and as he learns
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: in season thinks some things would get better. And I
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 4: don't see any sign of that. So if I'm Robert
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 4: Kraft or Jonathan Kraft, who I assume is making the call,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. I guess I have to.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 4: I got to look him in the eye and say,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: what's going on, man, Like, tell me why I should
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: keep you. You got to make a strong case to
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: me because you haven't shown sides of growth. And I
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 4: know it's only one season, but even the micro steps,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: I haven't seen that. Now I say that, and I
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: always say that we meaning this show, and even you know,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: the scribes, we don't have the information that the Crafts
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 4: have or Elliott Wolf has, so we're at a disadvantage.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 4: We only know what we see and hear, so for
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 4: us to make a judgment, it's always tough, not just
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: with Mayo but with Wolf and all these assistant coaches.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: We don't know who's really doing a good job and
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: who isn't and how much of it is the players
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: and how much we just don't have that info, so
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 4: we can only go with what we see, and what
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: I've seen is no improvement, what's soever. And that really
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: really scares me because this is a critical off season.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I just feels like everything has been on
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: shaky ground since really he took over the job, where
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 5: it just feels like everything is just kind of flying
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 5: by the seat of your pants a little bit, without
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 5: a real plan and without the experience to pull from
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 5: to formulate a really good plan. And I just it's
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 5: hard to envision it getting better in terms of, you know,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 5: what does he do bring to the table and what
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: does he do well, and you know, whether it's schematic
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 5: or it's just from a culture direction standpoint. Now that
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 5: being said, I would like to know who they could
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 5: get right and who's coming in. And that's the thing
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 5: that that's huge. Even more so, the craft would would
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: probably be able to know, you know, ten times more
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 5: than we could.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 5: So if you're telling me that today Mike Rabel or Girodmeo,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 5: I'm probably taking Rabel yeah, help me too.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: And yeah, now I think it was not last postgame.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 4: We made it the last one that we had a
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 4: home game. I said, you know, to Patriots fans, I say,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 4: you know, you're praying that Mayo does get better. Rather
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: than having to start over with a new coach and
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 4: a new regime and all that, you're praying that Mayo
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 4: can get the hang of it, and that way you
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: have the continuity that said changes have to be made otherwise,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: but you're hoping that Mayo is the guy, because then
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: then I think the redemption for the team is quicker
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: than having to start over. But you know, I don't know,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: tell me, tell me what the plan is if Mayo's
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: not going to be here.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: I just also, you know, the last thing, I just
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 5: it hasn't been a lot of players, but Kean White
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 5: coming out and being as disgruntled as he's sound over
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 5: the last couple of days. And I give him some credit,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 5: honestly for standing on it after the game. This was
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 5: not a Kishon Boody walk back. This was I feel
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 5: this way, and I still feel this way to days later.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 6: He's also calling himself out for not playing well. Yeah,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 6: which I like that part. Of it now. You said
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 6: it last week when you came in with those quotes
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 6: before he added the stuff about the coaches.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that was the one on the changes.
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  Speaker 5: I just worry with that is at the tip of
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 5: the iceberg of players starting to really get disgrunted. And
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 5: that's one of your young talented players on this roster,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: one of your few, and now all of a sudden,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 5: if that trickles to Christian Goanzalez, and that trickles to
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 5: Drake May, and that trickles to other guys in that
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: locker room, then you really have a problem on your hand.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 7: It's a really tight rope to walk, and I mean
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 7: with Gerard Stays like they're going to have to figure
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 7: out a way to get the fan base excited and
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 7: enthusiastic about you know, there has to be other changes made.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 7: But one point I'd like to make Fred is I'd
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 7: like to know what's the deal with the scouting staff
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 7: Like this this draft felt just as inept as the
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 7: last ones did. How much are all these people involved?
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 7: How much has Elliott Wolf been overseeing these previous couple drafts.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 7: How much input did he have any of these picks?
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 7: The you know, all the other people that have. You know, essentially,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 7: I think the scouting staff mostly stayed the same. That
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 7: is getting a serious look critically from me because the
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 7: drafts have been bad and that, like we can talk
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 7: about coaching, sure, but you gotta pick talented players, like
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 7: they have to find ways to find these guys that
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's gonna take forever. They're gonna be chasing
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 7: their tails if they don't start stacking drafts where they're
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 7: hitting on three guys three guys. I mean, you can't
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 7: do it one a year, one a year. You're gonna
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 7: be stuck in the same position.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's also tough to say, like is it there's
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 5: I think I you know, I agree with Paul that
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 5: there's there's a developmental aspect of this too, Like is
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: Jalen Polk just bad or is he getting bad coaching?
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: You know, is he getting bad coaching? Is you know
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 5: any of these guys you know, Baker Leyden Robinson, like
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 5: any of these players that have come in. And I
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 5: think the only way that you really stabilize this thing
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 5: with Mayo is you go out and free agency and
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 5: you spend a bunch of money on proven veteran talent
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: that it's pretty they've there are no more talent complaints
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 5: right their finished products. You know you signed T Higgins
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 5: like you don't need to coach up T Higgins.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 4: For Quinn Williams and Garrett Wolfs sure.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 5: Like you already know those guys can play in the league.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 5: So you're not handing him rookies that he's trying to develop.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 5: You're handing him finished.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: Prom Speaking of veterans, I don't know about proven talent,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: but we should say that it's being widely reported. Incway
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: has been released.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 6: It's been confirmed.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 4: It's been confirmed. Yes, okay, no.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 6: Schefter tweeted that this morning, and yeah, we didn't mention
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 6: it was a waiver claim that I personally didn't see
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 6: much sense in what at the time that they made it.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 6: And certainly he didn't he didn't do it. He didn't
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 6: do anything that you changed my mind.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 4: Why. It's how desperate they were to just get a
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: little edge rush. They didn't get it. But that's that's
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: what I think.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 7: Is it just to give him a chance today to
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 7: maybe catch on with another team, because he sure didn't
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 7: show much here to make me think that there are
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 7: teams that are going to be Oh.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 6: No, I think it's too late, right, if it's app
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 6: Oh no, you can still do it this week, right,
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 6: Like I'm thinking of the whole Kaleis Campbell thing in Miami.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 6: Like Dave said, if they had gotten eliminated, they were
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 6: going to release him to give him a chance to
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 6: catch on with the playoff team. But now they're still alive. Sorry,
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 6: I don't know if you guys watched any of that
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 6: game the other day. He was unbelievable.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 7: He's just it's like thirty eight. Yeah, he keeps going.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: Still Neil and New Brunswick. I'm getting a little tired
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 4: of the At least we got our quarterback narrative, did
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: we Maybe? But if we're going to be real, we're
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: doing a pretty massive projection when we say that. I've
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: heard him called a franchise quarterback by some media. He
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: has more concussions than wins. He has ten interceptions, nine fumbles.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 4: Oh and the guy he replaced has won more games
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: on an equally brutal team. Yeah, Mac Jones, and he's terrible.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: I think may is a guy, but it's in pencil,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 4: not penn And if we keep Mayo, Wolf and crew,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 4: we'll be wasting another twelve months of his potential development.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 4: I really think we need to get a modern offensive
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: coach for May to make sure we do everything possible
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 4: to make him into a franchise quarterback.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 5: I think it's fair to say that he's not a
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 5: finished product. I pushed back a little bit on the
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 5: mat like if he had Brian Thomas Junior and those
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 5: receivers that they have in Jacksonville, I think he'd be
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 5: a lot better off than he is now. But I
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 5: understand the general point that I do think. I wouldn't
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 5: say crowned, but like, you know, where he has the
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 5: traits of a franchise quarterback. Now we got to mold
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 5: the clay a little.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm with Evan, and I would say that somewhere
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 6: in between the and I think this emailer is really
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 6: accurately portraying it. I think that he's been crowned here
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 6: by a lot of the local media, and I would
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 6: be somewhere in between that in that email, because I
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 6: think Evan's right to push back a little bit on
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 6: the email. I just if I'm going to be completely
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 6: convinced that I don't have anything to worry about at
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 6: that position, I'd like to see at least like a
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 6: three hundred yard thirty plus point performance, and we didn't
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 6: get any of those. And I don't care what happened Sunday.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 6: That doesn't matter against the JVS. Like I think two
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 6: hundred and eighty yards is like his career high. They're
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 6: not losing these games thirty eight thirty four. And I
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 6: understand the limitations of talent around him, but I also
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 6: see some of the issues have been him, and I
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 6: think Evan did a great job of illustrating some of
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 6: the stuff in this last game against the Chargers, where
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 6: he didn't necessarily handle some of the adversity well that
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 6: he faced. I still think he's a guy who runs
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 6: around recklessly. I think even when he came back into
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 6: the game on Saturday, he ran around recklessly a little bit.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 6: So to me, the thing that is like a no brainer,
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 6: no doubt. He has the requisitibility to play at a
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 6: high level in the NFL. He can run, he can throw,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 6: he moves throws off platform, and he certainly appears to
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 6: have displayed an aptitude for the position. The rest is
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 6: completely unknown. And I think that a lot of my colleagues,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 6: one of which I respect greatly, Phil Perry said that
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 6: he is a top five quarterback, and I just don't
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 6: know what you've seen to prove that. That's what he's called.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: The biggest thing we haven't had a chance to see
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 4: yet his clutch. We don't know how he is in
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 4: the clutch. And that's what this league is all about, quarterback.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 4: It's how how are you when you're two points down
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: with a minute left and no timeouts.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 6: They went down a whole list of quarterbacks and he
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 6: said he would he got May over this one, May
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 6: over this one, and I was just like, I feel
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 6: like I'm in bizarro world and I am as big
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 6: a Drake May guy as there is. I wanted to
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 6: draft him from the very start, and I wanted to
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 6: play him from the very start. I was with fred
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 6: On Thatt right from this. I know Evan was, you know,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 6: stronger than we all worked. As the emailer earlier said,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 6: we were all on the May bandwagon. And I haven't
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 6: seen anything to say I was wrong. But I also
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 6: haven't seen anything to say he's one of the best
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 6: quarterbacks in the league now, Like I haven't seen that.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he does a really nice job of, you know,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 5: already coverages for a young quarterback, reading rotation, understanding you
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 5: know where the weaknesses and the spaces in certain zones,
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 5: Like understanding, okay, this is man to man and I
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 5: have to throw the ball you know, here or there
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 5: or whatever to get the receiver open, like throws guys open.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 5: Understand zone coverage, like he's he's got it all. But
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 5: it hasn't been a finished product. I mean, I still
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 5: feel like the biggest thing to me that I want
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 5: to hone in with him, he leaves the pocket too
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 5: much when he doesn't have to.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 6: Has he really even had one complete, really good game
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 6: like sixty minutes.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 5: Maybe the Colts. He was really really close against the
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 5: Rams and the Colts, Like he played really well in
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 5: both those games. But you know, the Fred's point.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 6: I didn't like the end of the the Rams game.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 6: The Colts game, I think was pretty close.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, you get you know, but that's the
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 5: Fred's point, right, Like he had a chance at the
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 5: end of the Rams game. It would have been a
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 5: ninety yard touchdown drive to win the game with like
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 5: a minute left, But he had had a chance and
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 5: he threw a pick.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, those would be my two choices. Yeah, certainly
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 6: the Rams and Colts. I don't know, I just feel
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 6: like people got to I think the email is premise
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 6: is right. I think that people are getting ahead of them.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 4: So sure little bit.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 6: Ethan's proud of them. A meeting today, West Kentucky. What's up, Ethan?
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 27: Hey, you got a long time no call? Hey Hey,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 27: I was just gonna get on here and ran a
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 27: little bit. Like part of my problem with Mayo and
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 27: the Patriots and this coaching staff is, and y'all touched
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 27: on it earlier, we have yet to even come close
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 27: to finding an identity. Uh, you know, like not to
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 27: keep going back to when we were good. But on
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 27: defense and defense, you know, back in the day, we
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 27: would sit back and we play a really hot match
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 27: look or you know, play man and bring pressure and sure,
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 27: we're gonna give up underneath stuff. We're going to give
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 27: up the hitches, we're gonna give up the seams and
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 27: cover three. But once we get down in the red zone,
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 27: we're going.
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  Speaker 24: To stop you.
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  Speaker 27: You're gonna kick a still gull and we're gonna get
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  Speaker 27: the ball back. I mean, on defense, it just looks
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  Speaker 27: like we run around, you know, not knowing what's going on,
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  Speaker 27: you know, not believing in the scheme we're running. We
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  Speaker 27: can't get pass rush, we can't play man coverage, and
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  Speaker 27: I mean all of that just points back to coaching.
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  Speaker 27: I mean, there's just no way around it. I know
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  Speaker 27: there's a severe lack of talent, but when you can't
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  Speaker 27: form an identity or you can't say, hey, we're not
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  Speaker 27: that great talent lies, but we're going to be really
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  Speaker 27: good at one thing. We're gonna play toss or we're
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  Speaker 27: not going to blow assignments, you know, and all that,
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  Speaker 27: and then you go to offense and like we bounced
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  Speaker 27: back and forward between the West Coast bread offense and
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  Speaker 27: under center vertical power run and you know we're not
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 27: like you know, Drake Mayser only playmaker a booty's looks
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  Speaker 27: trying and you know, reminder is okay, but you have
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  Speaker 27: to you know, call plays and structure an offense around
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  Speaker 27: your playmaker. You know, look what Todd Munkin did in
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  Speaker 27: Baltimore as Amar, because when he came out there was
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 27: a lot of doubts and it wasn't you know, this
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  Speaker 27: sure thing, and he's gonna end up being, you know,
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 27: a top fifteen quarterback of all time. Where you look
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  Speaker 27: with Kingsbury's done with Daniels in Washington, and it's like,
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  Speaker 27: we just want to line up under center and we're
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  Speaker 27: going to be this hard running football team and we're
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 27: going to run to sit up the pass player action
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  Speaker 27: and we're just not playing to anybody's strength. And I
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  Speaker 27: just don't get it. It's like, why are we going
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  Speaker 27: to stick with this Cleveland Brown you know, vertical power
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  Speaker 27: run and I just, you know, it's just so frustrating,
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  Speaker 27: and you know, this team's not tough, and you know,
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  Speaker 27: just like what Andrey Jennings said to the media about
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  Speaker 27: the fans, you.
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  Speaker 9: Know, we have it right.
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  Speaker 27: We're not schooled. We've watched five years of Arendous football
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  Speaker 27: and I'm so sick of it. And I know I'm
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  Speaker 27: from Kentucky, but I know everybody up there is sick
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  Speaker 27: of it. I mean, it's just been hard to watch.
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  Speaker 27: And you know, I care a lot about this football team,
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 27: and I care a lot about football. I coach football,
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  Speaker 27: and I haven't missed the game, and you know, so
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 27: many years and it's just so frustrating. And I try
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 27: to be reasonable and try to be rational, and you know,
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 27: firing a coach up to year one is you know,
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  Speaker 27: not necessarily reasonable in my opinion, but it's just got
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  Speaker 27: to happen. Guys, We're not closed. He hasn't showed a flash.
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  Speaker 27: When Dan Campbell was three and fourteen with Detroit, there
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 27: was a flash. Those guys are playing hard.
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  Speaker 11: He had Detroit.
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  Speaker 27: Body in and around and the players were body in
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  Speaker 27: and we're not. We're just so far from anything competent.
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  Speaker 27: We're a college football team and it's just getting I
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 27: don't know, star just frustrated. But hey, I appreciate you, guys.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 27: I listen every day.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 4: That's a great call, Ethan, Thank you. That's a great call,
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 4: well thought out. Is the point that Ethan's making. Our
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 4: head coach didn't have an identity coming in. You couldn't
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  Speaker 4: even say this is the type of defense that he
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 4: coordinated because he never coordinated a defense, let alone an offense.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 4: So he had no identity. And I think all season
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 4: he's been searching for his own identity. That's hard to do.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 4: When you're losing games. That becomes your identity now, So
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 4: it's you know, but Ethan made the point better than
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 4: I just did, and uh, that's it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I don't have a problem with the power running aspect
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  Speaker 5: of the you.
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 4: Get excited when he said the vertical power right.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, look it was a good call. I don't have
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 5: a problem with that necessarily, but I if Van Pelt's staying,
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 5: he's got to make a really good presentation of what
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 5: is Drake May two point zero look like, you know,
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 5: in terms of adding some of the quarterback round elements.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't care what you used to do in Cleveland.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah you didn't have Drake May.
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  Speaker 5: Right, Like you know, I don't care if it's zone
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  Speaker 5: or if it's you know, gap or whatever. But they
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  Speaker 5: have to add a quarterback round element to this office.
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  Speaker 6: And they have to have now. I mean, we can
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  Speaker 6: talk about all the schemes all we want. I'm not
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 6: going to work with this with this group.
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