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Buckmeister Cul | The Christian Reeve Podcast #226 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian Reeve
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  Podcast. Today's guest is Mr.
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  Buchmeister. He was on the show in the very,
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  very beginning, three years ago. Right now I just want to take a
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  minute to just think about this. When I first started this show
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  three years ago, I had no idea what I was going to do with the
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  show. The first episode was me
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  reflecting on at the time being 27.
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  Now I'm 30, so I'm getting ancient.
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  And me and Buck, I thought, do we meet on Reddit?
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  Do you know, we'll get into that?
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  It was Reddit. It was Reddit.
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  Yeah, we met on Reddit. And I was like, yeah, I can have
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  a guest. And we had a great time.
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  And I would like to think over the last three years that I've
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  become a better interviewer, a better discussion is podcaster.
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  Anyway, it felt very fitting three years later to have my
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  very first guest back on the show.
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  So welcome man. How you doing?
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  Nice. Nice.
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  Nice to be back, man. Yeah.
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  It's been a very hectic time for me.
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  I haven't even podcasted, like been a guest or done anything in
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  like I want to say two years now or whatever.
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  I've been like very, very busy. Like I haven't even been
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  watching. Like the people that I regularly
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  watch that I usually keep up with your podcast, but I haven't
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  kept up with anybody for like the last two years.
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  It's just been crazy. But it's cool to be back.
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  It's cool to chop it up with you again.
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  Thank you, man. It's honestly a pleasure.
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  We'll talk us through a little bit what you've been doing, cuz
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  I know that I've been paying attention to all your
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  illustrations and stuff and what you're doing with comics, and
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  we'll get into that. But, I mean, it's been three
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  years. Two years, Yeah, sorry.
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  Two years since I last kind of chopped out with you on the
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  Instagram, lives and such. So what's what's happening in
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  your life, man? What's What's going on?
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  Well, my family business just sprung up and now I'm in charge
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  by default. So that's been fun.
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  Matt, what can you, can you talk about the business or is it
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  private? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  It's like rentals and property and all of that boring stuff.
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  Like, yeah, my, my dad started it like 2.
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  Like he started at 2015 and then like he's just decided to hand
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  it over to me and you know like African household, you don't,
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  you don't get to say no. So.
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  Been running, I've been running all of that and that's been a
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  little bit hectic. Been learning a lot about South
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  African law, which is, you know, and a lot about property law and
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  all of that stuff. And then on the creative side,
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  though, I don't know if there's like, I don't know if you heard
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  the news, but like two years ago and I'm RIP Chadwick Boseman
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  like he passed and they were doing the whole Black Panther
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  thing. And yeah, very sad time for
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  everybody. But like, Marvel decided to kill
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  the character indefinitely it looks like.
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  And so I've been on this campaign started by a guy called
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  Emmanuel Noiset. I think that's how you say it.
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  He's called Emmanuelle Reviews. So he started a whole petition
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  called Recast Chala. So basically what I've been
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  doing for the last year and a half or so is been trying to
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  make like comic book content and illustration content around the
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  character because I'm just trying to get people to see the
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  value in the character. Because I I the killing of the
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  character for me is it's not a good business move.
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  And I and I think it hurts the IT hurts the MCU and the whole
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  industry as a whole and all of that stuff.
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  So that's been like my primary focus.
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  Like I haven't even worked on a lot of my own stuff.
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  Well outside of outsourcing it to other people like Art of
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  Marvelous Wonder, there's a really cool guy.
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  He's been helping me with me on wave.
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  But yeah, primarily the focus right now has been to try and
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  get to Tallah. The characters specifically did
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  this back into people's main purview right now.
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  So that's those two things have been eating up a lot.
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  And also like Comic Con stuff I'm doing, I'm doing small
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  interviews again, like 5-10 minute interviews again, which
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  has been very fun talking to local creators and all of that
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  stuff. So basically those three things,
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  they've just been eating my time for the last like two years or
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  so. Yeah, let's focus on the the
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  Black Panther thing because this is something I've seen all over
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  your social media for a long time now.
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  And I I found it very interesting because okay, I'll
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  give you my take and then and then we can chop it off and go
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  back and forth on this because I think it's an interesting point
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  obviously. Yeah, as you as you mentioned,
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  Chadwick Boseman unfortunately passed away a couple of years
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  ago and they did decide to essentially, yeah, kill off the
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  character in Black Panther, Wakanda Forever, which is the
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  sequel to the original Black Panther in 2018.
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  I think it was released and I I, I think many of us were kind of
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  wondering what they're going to do with the character, how
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  they're going to do it. I I think story wise, my take is
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  I think they did the best they could do as far as like giving a
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  good send off and and making a point of like how important that
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  character was and and certainly like Chadwick's portrayal of
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  that character. And I will say with the idea of
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  recasting him, there was a lot of talk of that.
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  And I feel like I don't know, it's one of those.
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  It's one of those instances where the actor is very
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  synonymous with the character. And it's not to say that you
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  can't recast the character, you can't have another person play
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  the same character. When we've seen it with Joker,
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  obviously that's very synonymous with the Heath Ledger's
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  betrayal. But there's been plenty of
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  people who've done the Joker before and since then and have
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  done it well. So and also, you know, I suppose
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  on the other side of things, you know, there's a lot of
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  opportunities for black actors to potentially go into this role
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  and give their own portrayal. But here's the thing, if you did
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  recast Black Panther, it is going to be a different
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  portrayal. It's not going to be the same as
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  Timber Boseman's betrayal, and I don't think anyone would want
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  that. You wouldn't want someone trying
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  to do the same thing. You want something different.
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  And I think something that's interesting with the current
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  phase of Marvel is this idea of like supposedly it's headed
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  towards a direction in in which case you can potentially bring
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  old actors back and have them playing a different version of
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  themselves and and such. As I understand it there's the
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  whole Scrolls thing. Spoilers.
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  Sorry. With this idea that like maybe
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  the person you thought was actually the real person is not
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  actually that person. So basically my point is there's
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  opportunities to to recast this character but then also with
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  what they did and what kind of forever was they they made.
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  I can't remember her name surely.
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  Is it and his sister. Yeah.
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  They made surely essentially the Black Panther, which I don't
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  know. I thought that was a kind of a
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  logical move story wise. But I know you have your
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  reservations, so let's. Yeah.
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  Well, reservations is a very, that's that's a very mild way of
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  putting it For me specifically, it's just when we get into
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  Chadwick, like just to go back to 2018 and it was a huge thing.
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  I remember we even had a conversation about it at the
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  time. And all of that stuff.
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  But I remember at the time I had to defend Chadwick's performance
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  a lot. Like a lot of people said that
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  in the Black Panther one movie he was the weakest character,
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  which I rewatched it recently because I had another Twitter
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  debate, a four hour Twitter debate, which was.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, but, you know,
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  people were civil. It wasn't like regular Twitter
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  because, you know, regular Twitter.
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  Everybody's just, yeah. Like, I I I've never been called
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  racist by other black people so much in my entire life.
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  That's mad, OK? I'm racist because I no, I'm I'm
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  racist because I wanted to recast the child.
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  That's apparently the logic I I don't understand.
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  OK, I don't get that. Yeah, yeah.
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  And it you said business, you said you think it's not a good
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  business decision with what they moved forward with.
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  So why is it a good business decision to recast this
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  particular character? Is it because this particular
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  character has more legs? Do you not think Sheree could be
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  a good follow up? Like, why is it that you feel
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  that way? Well, as a person who read the
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  source material, one, the MCU has already done Legacy already.
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  We had two Hawkeyes, we had two Thors.
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  So for a situation where there's two Black Panthers, that's not
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  impossible. And it's in the source material.
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  There was a time where Shuri was Queen and Tatala was the King of
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  the Dead. So basically what happened is,
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  is that boss to the goddess of Wakanda whatever made to Chala
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  her specific personal Black Panther.
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  So that's what I was hoping for if they were going to, I mean
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  again with the recaster Chala thing, just to catch you up to
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  speed and catch everybody up to speed.
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  There was no situation where the hashtag said we need him in
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  Wakanda forever. We just said don't kill him
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  permanently. Like for me, if they wanted to
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  do it story wise, they had the blip because they've done
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  prequels before like a Black Widow.
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  So it was like if you said it in the blip then it also.
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  Also I just felt like if it was in the blip it would explain a
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  lot of the plot points of the movie.
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  It would explain why Sherry has anger issues.
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  It would explain why Wakanda is just getting decimated by these
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  Fish people And like, no offense to anybody like Mesoamerican
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  original or whatever, or Talacan or whatever.
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  I just, I felt like it wasn't even in the scales.
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  When we look at how both countries performed in terms of
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  war, I just felt like Wakanda was severely downgraded for some
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  reason because I was just like, yeah, sorry, go ahead.
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  No, no, no, no, no. Don't let.
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  Me interrupt. Yeah.
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  Yeah. No.
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  I'm just saying for me, I I just, it didn't feel balanced.
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  I didn't feel like because for me personally and I know people
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  have differing opinions on this, but Nate Moore is a villain.
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  He's a villain like he can. He can be a villain with a
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  point. Those exist if you want to take
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  it there, But he's a villain. And I just felt like the movie
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  supported the villain way more than it's supported the heroes.
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  And I, like a lot of people also felt like that for Black Panther
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  one. So they were hoping that they
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  were going to break that trend. But like the other thing was, is
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  that I just felt like killing Tatala, especially the way they
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  did. Not even just killing him in
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  general because like I, I know that actors are supposed to be
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  synonymous with characters, but we also have to remember that
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  that's a that's a nice to have. It's not something that is like
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  set in stone as a law. Because if we look at everybody
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  remembers Christopher Reeves a Superman, everyone remembers
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  Christopher Reeves a Superman. In fact, every Superman that
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  plays, every actor that plays Superman has to go up against
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  Christopher Reeves portrayal. But that doesn't stop them from
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  getting cast. So with the Recaster Charla, I I
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  also feel legacy wise it's better to make.
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  It's better to make Chadwick Boseman the beginning of
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  something rather than the end of something.
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  Like, I feel like anybody that's coming after like would have to
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  obviously pay homage because I'll tell you right now, I am.
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  He was perfect to me. Like in in South Africa, a lot
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  of people were very upset that he was Black Panther because it
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  were like, if it's going to be African, why don't they get an
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  African actor, et cetera, et cetera, which is, which is a
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  logical, you know, I mean, it's fair, but it's Hollywood.
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  Like, it's Hollywood. I'm not expecting Hollywood to
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  like the fact that 2018 was the first time we ever had a Comic
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  Con in Africa, ever. And this is the whole continent.
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  It's the whole continent. Like this is the whole
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  continent. There's never been a Comic Con
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  here. Ever.
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  So like that's what I'm saying is when we talk about the impact
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  of the character, now just getting into that, like I want
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  to say that making him first is way better than making him lost.
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  Because if we look at like James Bond is a great example, right?
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  That's a long, storied legacy of a character.
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  And there was a time where they didn't even say it was different
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  continuities. Like we have to also remember
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  this continuity talk is new. Like we we understand reboots
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  and all of that stuff. But there was a time when people
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  were just getting cast and nobody was thinking about how
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  does this fit into this? This is a very like 2010, 2011,
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  2012 phenomenon, which is not that long ago so.
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  I like The thing is I I just feel like and I mean there's
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  many ways to do this there's many way and they definitely
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  should be cost. I'll get into the business
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  aspect of why they should be cost.
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  I'm just getting into like the cultural social aspect right now
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  is that the character did a lot with the very little screen time
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  that he had. Like you have to remember
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  Chadwick Bosemans to Charla only has I think 70 minutes in the
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  whole MCU as a as a whole and. And like, if I'm looking at
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  somebody like Spiderman who came in at the same time as to Chala,
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  he's almost got tripled at screen time.
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  So to bury the character that early.
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  And I get that people's introduction because remember,
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  I'm a comic book fan. Like, you know this about me.
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  A lot of people know this about me.
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  I've been reading comic books forever.
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  So Black Panther never got the push in comics to Chala
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  specifically. He never got the push in
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  comments that other characters got.
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  So when 2018 came around, this was like kind of his time to
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  shine. And Chadwick did a great job,
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  even though he was fighting cancer.
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  Which is another aspect of why I'm saying he should be cast is
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  because Chadwick knew how important the character was,
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  because he was going through hell and he was still doing all
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  of those stunts. Like he was still practicing all
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  of that. He was still getting into the
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  gym and he didn't even make it about him, which is I think
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  another reason why people kind of fell in love with the man.
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  Which is I I again, it's it's a very, very noble pursuit.
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  I, I, I, I totally understand why people are like, you know,
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  infatuated, not infatuated, if that's the word.
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  I'm just saying why they love Chadwick.
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  I I'm not against their love for Chadwick.
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  But when we talk about what he put into the character and also
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  he's got like several like video evidence, quotes where he's
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  talking about like when he was getting sick, there was this guy
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  he was talking to called Roland Martin.
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  And he said to Roland Martin, I want people to see the role.
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  I want people to see the character.
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  What do you do with the role? I don't want them to see me.
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  I mean, you're an actor. You know that when you transform
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  into a character, you don't want people to see, like you don't
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  want Christian Reeve. You don't want them to see
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  Christian Reeve. You want them to see the
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  character like you want them to fall in love with the character,
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  specifically in a sense, from. What I understand when I'm
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  watching it like you're acting reels and all of that stuff.
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  Well, I think to the point what I was making before, I think
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  that that's kind of the issue, is that like, he set the bar so
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  high As far as his portrayal, it's difficult to follow that,
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  not impossible. And as you outlined there, you
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  know they did it with Superman. But to your point, and I think
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  this is very, very important, Christopher Reeve had his
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  stretch of movies, right? That was like a certain
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  portrayal. And then no, like other people
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  played different versions of Superman, different stories.
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  I think there was like the Lois and Thingy TV series in the 90s,
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  and there was obviously the animated ones.
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  And later on in the 2000s, there was the Superman flop that was
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  actually supposed to be a continuation of Christopher
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  Reeve's story, which was interesting.
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  And there was a lot of controversy at the time because
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  people were like, he's not Christopher Reeve.
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  And that's to the point about what we're talking about.
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  It's like very like, Oh no, the actor has become so synonymous
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  with the role that it's, it's made it very difficult.
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  I feel like Henry Cavill really has been the only person to sort
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  of come along and and completely redefine it.
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  And yeah, of course you got, you got Smallville, you got other
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  ones. But like, he really came and
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  made like his version of the character.
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  With I get what you're saying there, but I think with Brandon
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  Ruth, we have to also remember people love Brandon Ruth now.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, like they, they love Brandon Ruth now.
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  And also he was not bad. No, you need to understand.
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  You need to also understand like with recasting, like, because
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  that's another thing that people love to say.
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  It's like if they recast, it's going to be terrible.
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  You're going to hate the character.
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  What? No, you got to understand like a
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  movie is a multiple step process.
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  Like if the script sucks. It doesn't matter how good the
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  performance is, like there's been so many movies where the
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  performances are great but the script is not supporting or
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  backing up those performances like that's how I felt with
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  Superman Returns. I felt like it flopped because
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  they didn't know what they were doing with the character.
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  I mean, even if you look at what Lex Luthor was doing in that
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  movie, it didn't make sense using a kryptonite island that
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  would people were going to rent on and to make business deals.
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  Kryptonite Real estate man. Come on.
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  Who wants to live on a weird, green, irradiated planet that's
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  going to give you cancer like? Like Kryptonite.
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  Like Kryptonite is it's Superman's weakness, but other
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  people can get sick from it. It's not like it's a radiated
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  space metal or whatever or space planet or whatever.
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  So yeah, we got to understand that.
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  Like even if we look at something like Wolverine
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  Origins, like Wolverine Origins, Hugh Jackman was fantastic in
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  that movie and leave Schreiber as Saber tooth, they were really
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  good. But overall, that movies.
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  No, Just no, no. Why was Deadpool teleporting?
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  Why? Why?
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  Like, that's the thing with with with movies, is that like
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  recast? Like everybody says, it's going
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  to be terrible. We have to understand that.
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  It's not going to be the actor alone that's going to tank a
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  franchise. That's just impossible.
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  No. But I think, like, I I think one
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  thing I'd like to push here in this like mini debate we're
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  having is that like at the end of the day, there's a big
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  difference between the continuation of a specific story
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  versus reinvention. So my personal take on this
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  Black Panther deal is that there maybe should be another Black
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  Panther, but a completely different character.
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  A I suppose variant, if you want to call it that, where someone
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  can come into the role and it's not specifically not to Tyler,
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  it's someone different, right. So it's like continuing the
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  legacy of that character but then doing something different.
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  Cuz it doesn't. Matter who you do, it's
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  inevitably they're gonna be compared to Chadwick Boseman's
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  betrayal. And I don't know, I feel like
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  you should always reinvent rather than recreate.
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  But even when you reinvent, people still get compared to the
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  to the original. Like when you say variant, like
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  again with recast the child. We've outlined like a bunch of
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  like personally in the beginning I was team variant.
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  The only reason I'm kind of wanting a direct recast right
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  now and a direct recast off the child specifically because I
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  know people want to say to child of Junior is the next thing and
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  I. We don't agree with that.
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  But when we said variant T'challa like specifically he
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  must be at T'challa from another universe.
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  Like the reason why we have it has to be this specific
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  characters because we you have to remember some Black Panther
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  in publication history. He's two years younger than
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  Spiderman. Spiderman was 1966.
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  Black Panther was created 1968. Yeah, so he's about like. 58 to
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  60 years old right now as a character in like, fictional
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  history and this is the first time he's ever gotten a movie.
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  So, like, Panther fans have been waiting for decades.
• 20:36
  Like some people are like 60 years old and they've been
• 20:39
  reading this character ever since they grew up and now
• 20:41
  they're just told this character that they loved, that they
• 20:44
  bought the merge for, that they made palatable is just going to
• 20:47
  go away. And that I feel like that's a
• 20:51
  little bit unfair because it's just like, no, they never asked
• 20:55
  up front in the beginning because they never expected it
• 20:57
  to happen. But once you gave it to them and
• 20:59
  you take it away, that's that's that's kind of like like let can
• 21:04
  we can we do something else? And like when Chadwick's brother
• 21:08
  came out publicly and there's multiple videos of this where he
• 21:12
  was like they should have recast the character.
• 21:15
  And his niece also came out publicly to say they should have
• 21:17
  recast the character because his brother said that Chad was Chad,
• 21:21
  The character is the character. And basically because the effect
• 21:26
  that the character had very much from a social standpoint, I'm
• 21:30
  going to get to the business part.
• 21:31
  I'm not even in the business part yet, but I'm going to get
• 21:32
  to the business part. Like the character from a social
• 21:35
  standpoint. Like I said, 2018 with Comic Con
• 21:38
  Africa Kiz Azimoto on Disney Plus, like a lot of African
• 21:43
  creatives and black creatives in general are getting chances they
• 21:46
  never had simply because of the impact that the first movie had.
• 21:51
  So to stop that impact there, when you realize how important
• 21:56
  Katala is as a Cap cuz you have to remember in mainstream comics
• 21:59
  he's the 1st like pre 1968 there were no black superheroes in
• 22:06
  Marvel Comics. And I think in in comics proper,
• 22:09
  I don't think like, yeah, even in DC the first black superhero,
• 22:12
  I think it's supposed to be Jon Stewart and he came in the 70s.
• 22:16
  So T'challa predates him by at least five years or so somewhere
• 22:20
  there. So like that's how important and
• 22:25
  legacy and story the character is.
• 22:26
  Which is why when Chadwick was always talking about the
• 22:29
  character in interviews, he never kind of made it synonymous
• 22:32
  with him. I think people put that on him,
• 22:35
  but he always would talk about the character first before him
• 22:38
  because that's how story the character was.
• 22:41
  So when we talk recast in it and like again, comparison, and I
• 22:45
  think personally, comparison is great because we do it all the
• 22:48
  time, we do it with everything. And I don't think necessarily
• 22:52
  it's the thief of joy. You just need to understand why
• 22:55
  you're making the comparisons that you're making because
• 22:57
  everybody's going to have their different favorites.
• 22:59
  Like, No Way Home was a perfect example of this.
• 23:02
  Like, bunch of people loved Toby, a bunch of people loved
• 23:06
  Andrew, which I remember when people hated those movies.
• 23:09
  Like, I'm. I'm very much surprised that now
• 23:12
  Andrew Garfield is so beloved as Spider Man.
• 23:15
  I don't. Understand that hate.
• 23:16
  You know, I went back and watched the recent Man, these
• 23:19
  are good movies. I don't know.
• 23:21
  The second one was convoluted. The first one, the first one I
• 23:25
  the first one I liked a lot. But the second one I think was
• 23:27
  convoluted, but he was fantastic in it.
• 23:30
  I loved his performance in it and I know, like people want
• 23:33
  like nerdy Peter Parker or whatever, but he was nerdy
• 23:36
  enough for me one and like Peter Parker.
• 23:38
  Like people I think a lot of time misunderstand when Peter
• 23:42
  Parker was nerdy. Like if you go and read those
• 23:45
  Stanley comics from the 60s, he was nerdy.
• 23:47
  But it wasn't to the point where he was not like like getting any
• 23:51
  girls or anything. In fact, he was scoring a lot,
• 23:55
  especially for somebody that was not like that was not good with
• 23:59
  women. He was scoring quite a bit.
• 24:02
  So I yeah, but I'm saying like that's that's really cool.
• 24:06
  That's cool that now you have Tom Holland and you have a
• 24:08
  different type of Spiderman on screen and they were all
• 24:11
  together on screen. And like people said that I love
• 24:14
  this guy more or I love this more or I love that more.
• 24:17
  I mean, we do it with cartoons. There's so many versions of
• 24:20
  Spiderman, so somebody like the 90s Spiderman cartoon, but other
• 24:23
  people like the spectacular Spiderman cartoon and all of
• 24:26
  that stuff. So comparison I don't think is a
• 24:30
  bad thing. I've never seen it actually be a
• 24:32
  bad thing. I've just seen people bring
• 24:34
  different things to the role. Again, going back to James Bond,
• 24:38
  like Daniel Craig and why am I forgetting his name now?
• 24:41
  Goldeneye. He was in Black Adam.
• 24:46
  He was in Black Adam. He was in Black Adam.
• 24:48
  Not, not, not Connery. He was.
• 24:50
  He played Doctor Faith Pierce Brosnan.
• 24:52
  There we go. Pierce Brosnan.
• 24:54
  Like if you look at the way they played Bond, it was like very
• 24:57
  different from each other. But you didn't like you didn't.
• 25:00
  You did not See Bond. You get what I'm saying, like
• 25:04
  they look different and they look different, but I still felt
• 25:07
  like they were Bond in my opinion.
• 25:09
  The key, the key thing with that franchise though, is that it's
• 25:12
  it's a continual reboot. Every time they go with a new
• 25:15
  actor, it's like, right, Change everything, everyone.
• 25:19
  Sometimes they might carry over actors, you know, into, you
• 25:24
  know, I saw some very, very significant carryover.
• 25:27
  There were some carryovers. I'm not.
• 25:28
  I'm not. I'm not really against your
• 25:31
  whole reinvention thing. I totally understand that.
• 25:34
  But I'm just saying within the MCU as well, they have done like
• 25:38
  direct recasts also. Oh yeah, and they did it like.
• 25:41
  That's what's his name, Bore Machine.
• 25:44
  Yeah, Rody. Yeah, Rody, Rody and Banner.
• 25:47
  I mean, like Banner also got recast after Incredible Hulk.
• 25:51
  So, and again, I do understand the situation where people are,
• 25:57
  you know, specifically the cost and crew.
• 25:59
  Because like people on Twitter, I feel like for me, there's
• 26:03
  there's a lot of parasocial relationships that are kind of
• 26:05
  dangerous. Like, I feel like people get way
• 26:08
  too attached to people that they really don't know.
• 26:11
  Like when, like when I'm, you know, pro recaster Charla,
• 26:15
  people are literally saying you want to erase Chadwick's legacy.
• 26:19
  And I'm like, what? Why anything is a?
• 26:22
  Continuation, isn't it? I mean, what I'm getting from
• 26:25
  what you're saying is I don't want this character to die.
• 26:29
  I want the character to live on. That's the whole point of what
• 26:32
  we're talking about is like continue to make the fact that
• 26:36
  and the fact that Chadwick went through cancer to give us that
• 26:40
  movie. Like he could have just said I'm
• 26:42
  not doing this, but he went through cancer to give us those
• 26:46
  movies. Like he went through cancer and
• 26:49
  he was still jumping off of buildings and still spin kicking
• 26:52
  and all of that stuff. And like if you know cancer,
• 26:55
  your body is against you. Like, I mean he's a real
• 27:00
  superhero if you think about it. But like, why did he do that
• 27:03
  specifically for T'challa? Because like he, like he said, I
• 27:08
  want this character to be important.
• 27:09
  Like even in the press conferences, they were talking
• 27:12
  about this character being like James Bond in that he's going to
• 27:16
  be going on in perpetuity. But if you put him in the ground
• 27:19
  and they're going to be, and if they put him in the ground and
• 27:22
  wait 10 years and then reboot, I think interest is going to
• 27:25
  dwindle because we're not in the 60s anymore.
• 27:28
  We're not in the 1960s. There's so much content coming
• 27:31
  out right now, and we're in an age where I can make a comic
• 27:36
  book on my phone. I could make an animation on my
• 27:38
  phone. You know some people can make
• 27:40
  whole movies on their phones and then there's AI and all of that
• 27:44
  stuff. So he could be lost in the
• 27:48
  shuffle and that would be very heartbreaking for this
• 27:51
  monumental character that broke. Barry is the same way Spiderman
• 27:55
  and Batman did, cuz Batman was the first non powered superhero,
• 27:59
  Spiderman was the first teenage superhero.
• 28:02
  Tatala is the first black superhero in mainstream comics.
• 28:06
  So just to get rid of that, not, I don't think that's wise
• 28:11
  because unfortunately one, he doesn't have a lot of media.
• 28:14
  He has one cartoon and a couple cartoon appearances. 2 movies
• 28:21
  affect everything. Like there's a video game coming
• 28:24
  out right now and the rumor is, which is insane to me, but this
• 28:29
  is the rumor and like people say it's a rumor.
• 28:31
  It's not confirmed, but it's never been a rumor for any other
• 28:34
  video game. Is that in the Black Panther
• 28:36
  solo video game? It opens with the child dying
• 28:39
  and you create a character that takes up the mantle of Black
• 28:43
  Panther. Now again, it's a rumor, but
• 28:47
  what? When has there ever been a rumor
• 28:50
  for any other video game ever? When have you ever heard of
• 28:53
  Batman game announced? And you're not Bruce Wade?
• 28:56
  Where have you ever heard of Spiderman game announced?
• 28:58
  And you're not Peter Parker? I've never seen it so.
• 29:03
  Miles Morales, yeah. But I mean, OK, even with Miles
• 29:07
  Morales, at least they said, at least they publicly said you are
• 29:10
  Miles Morales. Yeah.
• 29:13
  And yeah. No, no, no.
• 29:15
  I mean, and Parker shows up in the game, too.
• 29:17
  He trains you through the game. So yeah, yeah.
• 29:20
  I'm just saying for me, this is like the first time he's ever
• 29:22
  gotten a video game. And I'm like, that's the rumor.
• 29:25
  Like, that's no, no. So I'm like, I'm just saying,
• 29:29
  unfortunately, the MCU has an effect on a lot of things, even
• 29:33
  in the comic books right now. He's not king anymore.
• 29:37
  He's been exiled and they teamed up with Namor.
• 29:41
  And it's just like, I see what you're trying to do with this
• 29:43
  MCU synergy. I mean, and like, if you look at
• 29:46
  like cases, I don't know if you ever saw this, but like Kamala
• 29:49
  Khan now she's a mutant in the comic books and they got Iman
• 29:54
  Vilani that her actress writing on the writing staff and
• 29:58
  everything. And it's just like, and Iman
• 29:59
  Vilani is cool because she's like a huge fan of the
• 30:02
  character, whatever, which is nice to see because sometimes
• 30:04
  these writers are not fans of the characters that they're
• 30:07
  writing. And you're just like, why are
• 30:08
  you writing it then? But like, yeah, like what I'm
• 30:12
  saying, the MCU synergy, it's it's like they keep thinking
• 30:16
  it's a big thing, so it's bound to affect other things.
• 30:19
  Which is why recast the child in a sense is very important
• 30:22
  because it's not going to just stop at the movies.
• 30:25
  One, it shouldn't stop at the movies because I feel like other
• 30:27
  actors. And then Chadwick has said this
• 30:29
  in interviews that he's like, Hollywood does this thing where
• 30:32
  it's like there can only be one like they were calling him the
• 30:35
  next Denzel, they were calling him the next, like Samuel
• 30:39
  Jackson or whatever. And like not to completely make
• 30:43
  this a race thing. But I've never heard that go the
• 30:45
  other way. I've never looked at who's an up
• 30:49
  and coming actor now. Yeah, OK let's go with Tom
• 30:51
  Holland. I've never looked at Tom Holland
• 30:53
  and heard anybody say, well, he's the next George Clooney or
• 30:56
  I've never looked at like, what's a, what's another
• 30:59
  example, Even if we go with Chris Pratt, I've never heard
• 31:03
  anybody look at Chris Pratt and say he's the next Bruce Willis
• 31:06
  or whatever. Like, they just get to be
• 31:08
  actors. So with like this role
• 31:11
  specifically, that could change another black actor's life
• 31:15
  completely. Like for them to play T'challa,
• 31:17
  they're like, what would happen to their career is huge and
• 31:22
  massive. And that's something that
• 31:24
  Chadwick was in in in his early days when people didn't know
• 31:28
  him, that was something that he was fighting for because like in
• 31:31
  bold and the beautiful, he was like a thug or whatever, and he
• 31:35
  didn't like it when he played a thug.
• 31:37
  And then the other time he had notes for the producer where he
• 31:41
  was talking about a single like it was a, it was a black
• 31:44
  stereotype, black American stereotype specifically, I
• 31:47
  guess, that he did not like. And he ended up getting recast.
• 31:51
  And ironically, the person who took his role was Michael B
• 31:55
  Jordan, and he never, and he never held that against Michael
• 31:59
  B Jordan, which was interesting. But like you see, he was always
• 32:03
  pushing the envelope in that aspect.
• 32:05
  It was like with every role that he played, he was always playing
• 32:09
  something, somebody historical that he felt was bigger than
• 32:12
  him. And I mean, again, I still think
• 32:15
  it's crazy to put Chadwick Boseman's value into Chala
• 32:18
  alone. I just think that reduces his
• 32:21
  whole career to one role and that's not, that's not fair to
• 32:25
  him. Like that's not fair to him
• 32:27
  because he was fantastic as James Brown.
• 32:30
  He was fantastic as Jackie Robinson in 42, like even if you
• 32:34
  go to 21 bridges, he put in a very strong performance over
• 32:38
  there. And if you look at the five
• 32:39
  bloods he like he was, he was a very powerful performer in there
• 32:44
  as well. Like Chadwick was really good at
• 32:46
  his craft. I think he was one of the best
• 32:48
  modern actors of our time. So I have to reduce him to one
• 32:53
  role I think is unfair. So with with all of that being
• 32:58
  said, again, I just feel like putting I'll get to the business
• 33:02
  aspect, but putting the character in the ground, it just
• 33:05
  it diminishes his impact. And that's not good going
• 33:09
  forward because there's going to be so many avenues and
• 33:11
  opportunities lost. And also potentially because
• 33:16
  people forget that they have short attention spans.
• 33:18
  They do they there's a chance they might even forget that Chad
• 33:23
  may play T'challa because T'challa is nowhere to be seen.
• 33:26
  Like that's a thing that can very much happen.
• 33:30
  Like if you look at characters that have not gotten recast,
• 33:32
  like I don't know if you've ever heard of this, the $1,000,000
• 33:35
  Man. I think it's called the
• 33:36
  $1,000,000 Man. Something like that.
• 33:39
  Not Ted De Biasi from WWE. That's what my mind goes to as
• 33:43
  arrested. But apparently there was a there
• 33:46
  was an action hero called the $1,000,000 man or something like
• 33:48
  that. And nobody knows who that actor
• 33:51
  is unless you're like 50 or something, apparently.
• 33:54
  And because he was never recast, they never had another, like
• 33:58
  there was never nothing to go back to.
• 34:00
  Like the only reason I know Adam West is because of Christian
• 34:05
  Bale. Like when Christian Bale was
• 34:07
  Batman, I ended up going into the history of Batman and then I
• 34:11
  found out about. Then I found out about George
• 34:14
  Clooney and why the franchise went away for a while.
• 34:17
  Then I found out about Val Kilmer.
• 34:19
  Then I found out about Michael Keaton and then I found out
• 34:22
  about Adam West. And The thing is, that was,
• 34:25
  that's the thing with recasting and keeping the IP fresh is that
• 34:29
  you get to pull those fun things where you get to see it like a
• 34:32
  sharks, like a shark can spray, where Batman is spraying a shark
• 34:35
  or whatever. I mean, they even had references
• 34:38
  to it in the Arkham, in the Arkham games where you punch a
• 34:41
  shark or whatever. So like recasting in a sense
• 34:46
  keeping that legacy alive, it also keeps these people alive
• 34:50
  here in terms of like pop culture relevance.
• 34:54
  And it also always makes sure that you know, these guys were
• 34:57
  the first people to push the envelope.
• 34:59
  That's why I feel like it's very important to recast to Tyler
• 35:04
  specifically. Now we get to the business
• 35:07
  aspect. Finally, sorry, I just sorry for
• 35:12
  the. I just, I just put it as funny
• 35:15
  cuz whenever I do a podcast I I say the same thing.
• 35:18
  I'll be like I'll get back to it.
• 35:20
  And I always think, did I get back to it?
• 35:21
  I didn't forget cuz there's nothing more annoying than that.
• 35:25
  So let's finally talk about the business aspect of this.
• 35:27
  From the business aspect, the MCU does not have any solid
• 35:32
  tether right now. I'm looking at the the lineup.
• 35:37
  Who's the Iron Man? Who's the Captain America?
• 35:40
  Oh dude, can I climb in for a second?
• 35:41
  It this is like the weakest lineup ever.
• 35:44
  We've gone from like, the New York Yankees to like, I don't
• 35:48
  know who's who's bad, who's bad team, like the worst team in the
• 35:51
  league. Like, I hate to be.
• 35:53
  I hate to say that, but I mean, don't get me wrong, there's some
• 35:56
  interesting stories being told there.
• 35:58
  But at the same time, if we were to just suddenly do an Avengers
• 36:02
  movie, just for argument's sake, this team of people, I don't buy
• 36:05
  it. They're going to save the
• 36:06
  universe. Come on, you know now.
• 36:09
  And you got to look at it, right?
• 36:10
  If you look at this lineup, technically, they're supposed to
• 36:13
  be stronger than the OG Avengers.
• 36:16
  Technically, like, if you look at it, you've got Miss Marvel.
• 36:20
  She can do more than Hawkeye. You got like, Captain, You got
• 36:25
  Captain Marvel. No, I'm saying I'm gonna get to
• 36:28
  my point. I'm gonna get to my point.
• 36:29
  Is that, like I'm saying, when we look at these characters,
• 36:32
  right, First off, people need to understand.
• 36:34
  Power doesn't make a character. No one really cares how strong a
• 36:38
  character is. Not really, if you think about
• 36:41
  not. Seeing the arguments about she,
• 36:43
  Hulk and Hulk. Come on, man.
• 36:45
  Yeah, yeah. I'm saying the reason why they
• 36:47
  say they care about that is because they feel like the way
• 36:50
  she, Hulk got her powers versus the way Bruce got his powers, he
• 36:54
  had to go through trauma and suffering.
• 36:56
  So for her to just get an instant power up, it feels
• 36:58
  cheap. But that's because of the
• 37:00
  character and the way they wrote the story.
• 37:02
  You got to understand like I'm a story writer as well, right?
• 37:06
  I'm purposely making my power, my characters.
• 37:09
  Not so overpowered because it serves the story, but if the
• 37:13
  story is bad and your characters are powerful, great.
• 37:17
  Example, Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel was in her movie,
• 37:21
  she was soloing an entire fleet and people were like she's OP,
• 37:25
  but they hated it. Why?
• 37:27
  Because the way they did the character throughout the movie.
• 37:29
  And this is not Brie Larson's fault.
• 37:31
  I maintain that I think Brie Larson is.
• 37:35
  She's a good actress in my opinion.
• 37:37
  I know people fight me on that all the time.
• 37:39
  But those writers screwed her over.
• 37:42
  Like, if you look at that movie, those writers didn't give her
• 37:45
  any material to work with, really, because it was a whole
• 37:48
  thing about women being emotionless or being too having
• 37:51
  too much emotion. And I'll tell you right now, I
• 37:54
  would have rather she been emotional than a freaking robot
• 37:58
  through the entire movie because, like, she barely has
• 38:00
  any reactions. She barely like when she
• 38:03
  interacts like you feel nothing there.
• 38:05
  And like they kept, I feel like they kept writing it to say,
• 38:08
  Brie Larson, suppress your emotion.
• 38:10
  I don't know if I fully agree with that man.
• 38:12
  There were some interactions when she's with like family and
• 38:14
  stuff where you see more of the Carol Denver's character in some
• 38:19
  of it, but like some of it, but like.
• 38:21
  I will say this I agree with I agree with you on this.
• 38:24
  When she's around people she's close with like Nick Fury or
• 38:29
  family like her, the personality comes out.
• 38:32
  But whenever she's like like okay, this is bad.
• 38:35
  But like I saw Avengers before I saw Captain Marvel, so my first
• 38:40
  introduction to this character is who is this, why, and why she
• 38:44
  got no? Like, she's just cold and just
• 38:47
  calculated the whole time. And then I went back and I
• 38:50
  watched Captain Marvel and I saw more of her personality and I
• 38:52
  was like, oh, so this is deliberate.
• 38:54
  She's deliberately, like, suppressing this.
• 38:58
  Which is strange, yeah. But I don't feel like that's a
• 39:00
  good, like. I don't feel like that's a good
• 39:02
  character model to base it off of, like because remember, she's
• 39:05
  got to be likable. Like she's got to, you know,
• 39:08
  she's she's got to be like the she's got to be the new Captain
• 39:11
  America or the new, like, you know, she's she's got to take
• 39:14
  that spot. So we got to know about her.
• 39:17
  So if they keep suppressing emotions and information and
• 39:19
  just giving us flashbacks that we don't care about, that's not
• 39:22
  going to serve the character. Like, again, Brie Larson.
• 39:27
  In the beginning of the film, Captain Marvel, I had a lot of
• 39:29
  fun. I was like, I'm liking this.
• 39:32
  I like the like. There's one moment that I always
• 39:34
  remember that was always fun for me is when the scrolls are,
• 39:37
  like, snarling at her and then she like, snarls back at them
• 39:39
  and then she like, kicks there. I thought that was fun.
• 39:42
  I really liked that. But as you continue with the
• 39:44
  movie, they just keep beating this out of the character to the
• 39:47
  point where she becomes more of a mouthpiece than an actual
• 39:51
  character. And that's for me.
• 39:55
  Like as a person who's very well versed on social issues and all
• 39:59
  of that stuff, you need to have characters first.
• 40:02
  Like, you have to have characters first.
• 40:04
  Like, your message is very important, but you have to have
• 40:07
  characters first. If you do not have a character
• 40:09
  first, people are not going to care about your message.
• 40:11
  It doesn't matter what you want to throw at the screen.
• 40:15
  That's good story, yeah. With her.
• 40:18
  Yeah, with her, I just felt like in Captain Marvel, they didn't
• 40:21
  put enough stock into, like they didn't let her act.
• 40:25
  I really don't feel like they let her act.
• 40:27
  I really feel like every time she got a chance to act, she was
• 40:30
  great, but then they didn't lean into that.
• 40:33
  And then also like with the story of the Scrolls, I didn't
• 40:37
  mind that, but I was just like, OK, you don't have to deviate
• 40:40
  this much from the source material.
• 40:42
  Because I feel like that's another problem with the MCU is
• 40:44
  that nowadays they feel more embarrassed by the source
• 40:47
  material. Which is strange because in the
• 40:51
  in phase one through 3, even though they weren't one to ones,
• 40:55
  they still felt like they honored the source material just
• 40:57
  a little bit more. Like if you look at The Avengers
• 41:00
  one, that basic premise is the source material, how it unfolds
• 41:05
  and the configuration is very different.
• 41:08
  But basically it was Loki bringing all of The Avengers
• 41:12
  together to fight him. That's basically how it happened
• 41:16
  in the comic. So when we get, and also just a
• 41:20
  side note, Captain Marvel in recent comics, she's been
• 41:24
  written way better than before, so I'm glad that they're sorting
• 41:28
  that out. I like that character.
• 41:31
  Yeah, like, I feel like in the marvels we might actually
• 41:34
  finally get to see more of our personality.
• 41:36
  I feel like that's where we're headed.
• 41:37
  I mean, I will say this. I'm desperate for a Captain
• 41:40
  Marvel Two movie to just find out what the hell she's doing in
• 41:44
  the universe. It's like, yeah, they keep
• 41:47
  flirting with it and and saying like, oh she's she's off on, out
• 41:51
  of world. She's doing this, she's doing
• 41:52
  that. It's like show us already, show
• 41:54
  us what she's doing. Yes, I want to see what she's
• 41:55
  doing. Yeah, no, but that's what I'm
• 41:58
  saying is like, I just like, that's what I'm saying with they
• 42:01
  didn't put enough stock into the character.
• 42:03
  Like as much as the actress can be good, but she's and also the
• 42:07
  controversies are not helping. But they didn't put enough stock
• 42:10
  into the character. Now let's get to Shang Chi.
• 42:13
  Shang Chi was good. But does he really feel like
• 42:18
  he's a replacement for Iron Man or for Captain America?
• 42:23
  I I don't think so. Like, I feel like it's it's own
• 42:26
  entity entirely. Like I I was intrigued by the
• 42:29
  story, but I know what you mean. Like, I feel like if he's
• 42:31
  invited to The Avengers party, it's like great.
• 42:34
  But I feel like it's more interesting to just explore his
• 42:36
  story on its own. To be honest, I feel that is
• 42:39
  more interesting. Yeah, like I'm I'm saying like
• 42:41
  he feels more of a team player, but he doesn't feel like a team
• 42:44
  leader to me. Like, he doesn't feel like he's
• 42:46
  supposed to take it forward. And now if we go to something
• 42:51
  like Falcon or new Captain America, I just feel like for
• 42:55
  one Falcon in The Winter Soldier, even though it was, it
• 42:58
  was an alright show. It felt redundant.
• 43:01
  Like, why did we go through this whole arc?
• 43:04
  He already got the shield. Why are we seeing this again?
• 43:08
  Okay, I'm going to play devil's advocate here.
• 43:10
  I feel like you could make the argument the Captain America
• 43:15
  just giving him the shield is not really the same as like
• 43:19
  earning it and becoming Captain America.
• 43:21
  Like, I honestly felt after watching that series, I really
• 43:24
  felt like he earned it. Because what they did is they
• 43:26
  took it away from him in a really major way and he had to
• 43:30
  like fight too, for Nail to get to the point where it's like,
• 43:34
  yeah, no, you are Captain America.
• 43:35
  And I don't know, by the end I felt like, yeah, no, he is
• 43:37
  Captain America. It felt, it really felt that
• 43:40
  way. And I know there's plenty of
• 43:41
  people that disagree with me on that, but to me, that's how I.
• 43:44
  Understand, I understand what you're saying, but I feel like
• 43:46
  the reason he gave him the shield in the 1st place was
• 43:49
  because he had already put in the legwork to earn it.
• 43:52
  Like if we had opened with Captain America Four and it was
• 43:55
  Falcon already. I don't think anybody would be
• 43:58
  like, how the hell did that happen?
• 44:00
  So, So what you're saying is that throughout The Avengers
• 44:03
  movies he's he's earned his stripes really that way?
• 44:05
  Yes, yeah. OK.
• 44:07
  I mean he he basically went on the run for with Steve Rogers
• 44:11
  just because he was Steve Rogers friend.
• 44:15
  He basically, he basically was hunted by the government.
• 44:18
  Like, you better give him something.
• 44:19
  OK, OK, let's, let's, let's, let's jump on that as well.
• 44:22
  So yeah, he helped Steve Rogers. He helped Captain America.
• 44:27
  But I feel like the whole point with Falcon in The Winter
• 44:30
  Soldier is showing like independently he doesn't feel
• 44:34
  like he's really earned it necessarily.
• 44:36
  Like that's the whole point of the story, isn't it?
• 44:38
  He himself does not consider himself to be Captain America.
• 44:43
  And then throughout the course. Of that story he it's like a
• 44:46
  personal struggle and I don't know, I dug that because it's
• 44:49
  like, firstly it's a relatable story and secondly, by the end
• 44:53
  of it, it's become his. It's no longer something that's
• 44:56
  been passed down by his, his long departed friend.
• 44:59
  Now it's this is mine. I'm gonna own this, I am.
• 45:04
  Yeah, I get that. But I mean, for me personally, I
• 45:06
  just feel differently because I liked him as Falcon better than
• 45:09
  Captain America personally. But like, anyway, what I'm what
• 45:12
  I'm saying is, is that like a lot of people felt like it was a
• 45:15
  circle. And also we haven't seen like
• 45:18
  Sam Lee the team. Like, you know, we haven't seen
• 45:21
  him like display like leadership qualities for a very long time.
• 45:25
  So I mean he's the best candidate at this point.
• 45:27
  He like, just objectively speaking, he's the best
• 45:30
  candidate, but he's not the same draw as like A and then also
• 45:34
  Thor. They've just taken for off the
• 45:36
  deep end. So I I don't know what they're
• 45:39
  what they're doing. Oh, that movie was which?
• 45:41
  Is, which is so frustrating. But I'm saying, you know what's,
• 45:44
  you know, what's you know, it's frustrating, you know, it's
• 45:46
  frustrating though. Like, I mean, even if we go to
• 45:48
  Ragnarok, like, I wasn't a huge fan of Ragnarok.
• 45:50
  I like Ragnarok. But like I also had problems
• 45:53
  with it because I was like this is the end of Asgard.
• 45:56
  Why are we joking right now? Hella is slaughtering millions
• 46:01
  like this is actually genocidal. Why are we?
• 46:05
  Why are we laughing? Like when there's a way to find
• 46:09
  the games until Avengers Infinity War really isn't.
• 46:12
  It yes. And I'm just like Avengers.
• 46:14
  Infinity War is what Ragnarok should have been when they
• 46:18
  announced Thor Ragnarok. Like Ragnarok is supposed to be
• 46:22
  the end of Asgard. It's supposed to be like the
• 46:24
  monumental battle where all of the gods die.
• 46:28
  And like, that's the end of that universe.
• 46:31
  So to to just say that, like, haha, we're laughing haha, we're
• 46:37
  throwing Loki into people, haha. It's just like, guys, you can't
• 46:41
  be like don't use the term Ragnarok then, because even in
• 46:44
  the comic books like Thor had to kill like the makers of creation
• 46:48
  and reboot his entire universe in order to solve that issue.
• 46:53
  So I'm just like, OK, but anyway.
• 46:56
  Like getting into love and Thunder.
• 46:59
  For a second it was just like Chris Hemsworth is a good actor.
• 47:04
  Like he is. Like if you ever wanted proof
• 47:09
  that conversation with the talking raccoon had more people
• 47:13
  emotional, then when then, then, then when Odin decided he was
• 47:19
  just leaving. Like when Odin dies in Ragnarok,
• 47:23
  I found way more emotion seeing Thor talk to Rocket Raccoon than
• 47:28
  when Thor had to mourn his father like that.
• 47:32
  That's something weird to me. So I'm just like, Chris Hemworth
• 47:35
  is a good yes. We know he's funny, we
• 47:38
  understand he's funny. It's great that he's funny, but
• 47:40
  he can do other stuff as well. Like, I know people don't like
• 47:44
  this movie so much, but like Thor too.
• 47:49
  I thought he was excellent in Thor two.
• 47:51
  I thought like Chris Hemsworth really did a lot with Thor's
• 47:55
  character in Thor too. Like that.
• 47:57
  That whole exchange between him and Tom Hiddleston, Loki on the
• 48:01
  on the boat when Jane is dying. I felt like that was a great
• 48:05
  exchange between those two characters and I was just like
• 48:08
  you needed to push more of that, like to see more of.
• 48:11
  Not so funny. If or would have been great.
• 48:15
  I just think like they they didn't stick to their guts
• 48:18
  because there's because the other thing with MCU, and I
• 48:20
  guess it's also frustrating for comic book fans specifically, is
• 48:23
  that MCU people who have never read the comic books, they come
• 48:27
  in with preconceived notions and it feels like they cater to that
• 48:30
  audience a lot more. And it's just like, I feel like
• 48:33
  you would have gotten a lot more richer story if you kind of
• 48:37
  honored the source material, because that's what.
• 48:39
  Like Captain America and Iron Man are very close to their
• 48:43
  comic book counterparts. Like if you flip between a page
• 48:47
  of Captain America and you flip between a page of like an Iron
• 48:49
  Man comic, you get to see that they are very similar to their
• 48:54
  comic book counterparts. Hulk at his best was very
• 48:58
  similar to his comic book counterpart.
• 49:01
  Like like when he's Hulk Smash and all of that stuff and he's
• 49:05
  like having that, you know, those backstories and and all of
• 49:08
  that issues and emotional stuff. That was when he was at his
• 49:12
  best. Now he's doing yoga.
• 49:16
  So it's just like, I don't understand why you want to
• 49:19
  deviate so much. Like, I get it.
• 49:21
  It's not a 1:00 to 1:00. I've been told so many times,
• 49:24
  it's not a one to one. Fine, fine, fine.
• 49:27
  But like, it's an adaptation. And with an adaptation, you
• 49:31
  should still have the main elements of the stuff you're
• 49:34
  adapting. I mean if you take out
• 49:36
  Dumbledore like this, like Richard Harris, Richard Harris,
• 49:39
  when he passed they did a memorial on set, but they recast
• 49:43
  for the third for the third movie of Harry Potter because
• 49:46
  they needed Dumbledore because he did not die until like Harry
• 49:50
  Potter 6 because that was when he died canonically in the in
• 49:55
  the books. So I just think like to, I just
• 49:58
  think like when it comes to source material and adaptations,
• 50:02
  nobody's asking for one to one like some people are because you
• 50:06
  know, moving screens and sound effects and everything, it
• 50:09
  enhances what you read. But I feel like with the MCU
• 50:14
  specifically, they've been moving further and further away
• 50:17
  from the source material and it's not helping the product,
• 50:20
  it's not helping the franchise. So when we also look at
• 50:24
  something like connective tissue, because I know people
• 50:26
  like to say phase four is like phase one for me.
• 50:30
  I'm like phase one, they all were connected through SHIELD,
• 50:33
  like SHIELD was there through all of phase one.
• 50:37
  In phase four there's not really that much connective tissue and
• 50:41
  T'challa could have been the one to fix that problem because
• 50:46
  another thing as well I I was so I saw a clip of you know that
• 50:51
  that scene in an end game where you know RDJ's like I am Iron
• 50:56
  Man and clicks his fingers and I remembered like that.
• 51:00
  I think it was the end of Iron Man one with the the end of
• 51:04
  credit scene. It was him being rejected from
• 51:08
  The Avengers. Or maybe this beginning of Iron
• 51:10
  Man 2, but around that time, no. No, no, that's the beginning of.
• 51:13
  Yeah, that's the beginning of Iron Man Two year.
• 51:14
  Yeah, he's rejected from The Avengers and I just find it
• 51:18
  ironic that the one who's rejected and not included is
• 51:22
  then becomes the most important. I just thought that was an
• 51:25
  interesting dynamic. I like that flip on his head.
• 51:30
  That was that was very. I like that flip like yeah,
• 51:33
  again, I'm not into like fatalism like that.
• 51:36
  Rather he retired, but OK, whatever.
• 51:38
  But no, I thought. I thought that was a good story.
• 51:40
  Like, I have to say, I I personally don't want to see him
• 51:44
  come back. I thought that that was the
• 51:45
  perfect story. Oh, it's it's it's happening.
• 51:49
  He, like an Ironman, is coming because they no they need.
• 51:53
  To figure something out. I don't know if it's not going
• 51:56
  to be RDJ, but like, even if it's not, that might even be
• 51:59
  worse because now they're going to be like, oh, he's not RDJ.
• 52:02
  Oh, he's not RDJ. Or he'll do it differently.
• 52:05
  Like I I thought the idea of having Tom Cruise do it,
• 52:07
  Brilliant. But I want it to.
• 52:10
  If it's going to be Tom Cruise, I want it to be Captain
• 52:13
  Egotistical, like just absolutely insufferable.
• 52:17
  I just ramp it up a gear because with RDJ we we fell in love with
• 52:21
  the character. Like, you know, in the beginning
• 52:24
  he was very egotistical. That's part of his charm and it
• 52:26
  was interesting, but it was a whole part of the whole story
• 52:28
  arc. He he becomes humbled, he
• 52:30
  becomes a good guy over time. But if you just brought in a
• 52:35
  character who's just absolutely the opposite of that, and you
• 52:38
  can't stand him, who knows where he can go with that, you know?
• 52:42
  Yeah, no. But I'm just saying like when
• 52:43
  when you talk like that's the thing with quote UN quote
• 52:46
  recasting in both senses, in the sense is that you do want to see
• 52:50
  other actors, you know, their take on certain things as well.
• 52:53
  So my arm is getting tired. I need to myself back in focus.
• 52:59
  But like the thing that I'm trying to say here is that
• 53:02
  especially just business wise, if we look at it, Tatala is the
• 53:05
  best connective tissue for like everyone in the MCU right now.
• 53:09
  He's met most of the major Avengers.
• 53:12
  Like he can connect one Avenger to another in a sense.
• 53:15
  Like Shang Qi has never met Shuri, right?
• 53:21
  But he's met Banner. Banner has met T'challa.
• 53:24
  So when T'challa and Banner see each other and Shang Qi and
• 53:28
  Banner brings like Shang Qi to The Avengers meeting or
• 53:30
  whatever. Like Tutala is that instant
• 53:33
  connective tissue that'll make people be like, oh great, that's
• 53:37
  oh, because he know. Oh, oh oh, and so on and so
• 53:41
  forth. Like, what?
• 53:43
  What's the number like? Yeah, yeah, basically.
• 53:46
  And also, like, if you're looking for the rich guy, Tutala
• 53:50
  is like the rich guy who could house everybody at an HQ because
• 53:53
  he's the one with the most money.
• 53:55
  So, like, I think that makes a good question actually, because
• 53:57
  there's no base anymore. Like The Avengers home is gone,
• 54:02
  isn't it? I think it's that they recreated
• 54:05
  it today to the best of my knowledge.
• 54:06
  And The thing is, it would also feed it into Black Panther one,
• 54:09
  because the child started an outreach program so they could
• 54:13
  have built off of that and started making like an Avengers
• 54:16
  HQ where he's leading these people and all of that stuff.
• 54:19
  And also in the comic books, it's a big point of contention
• 54:23
  for him emotionally because his countrymen do not like the fact
• 54:26
  that he works with The Avengers, his countrymen.
• 54:29
  And get pissed every time he leaves.
• 54:30
  Yeah, they don't like outsiders, do they?
• 54:32
  That's the whole thing. It's like.
• 54:34
  Yeah, not not even just outsiders, but like in the comic
• 54:37
  book specifically, they don't like that he's splitting his
• 54:39
  time because they feel like he's supposed to be king of their
• 54:41
  realm. He's not supposed to be helping
• 54:43
  out, like he's not supposed to be helping those people.
• 54:45
  And T'challa's argument and counter argument is that if
• 54:49
  Galactus lands tomorrow, what are we gonna do?
• 54:55
  Just hearing you say the name is exciting, man.
• 54:59
  It's not coming anytime soon. That'll be like phase five or
• 55:02
  something. But.
• 55:04
  So exciting, but that's what I'm saying.
• 55:08
  And also fun fact, in the comic books there's a team called The
• 55:11
  Ultimates. I don't know if you've ever read
• 55:13
  this, but basically the lineup. The lineup is Captain Marvel,
• 55:17
  T'challa, Black Panther Blue Adam, America Chavez and Photon
• 55:26
  Monica Rambo. And basically they go around
• 55:29
  like solving intergalactic crises, where one of the stories
• 55:34
  is they fix Galactus's problem of hunger.
• 55:38
  And it's like a very interesting story of how that turns around.
• 55:41
  And then also now the forces of the universe kind of get upset
• 55:46
  at them because they've changed like the natural order.
• 55:49
  So it's like a big personal fight for Galactus as well As
• 55:52
  for the Ultimates, so. Like stuff like that is why I'm
• 55:57
  like you can't just put this character in the ground now.
• 55:59
  Like you can't, you can't be done with the child now.
• 56:02
  He still has so much story to tell like he's got 10 plus years
• 56:06
  of story as well. I want the same treatment as RDJ
• 56:10
  got and it helps make business sense because with Doom if you
• 56:15
  need a way to establish to end the pistol because remember when
• 56:18
  people were big on the pistol there was big.
• 56:20
  The Pistol Fever Pistol is coming.
• 56:23
  Tatalla has fought Mephisto in the comic books to the point
• 56:26
  where he actually outsmarted the demon with the help of his
• 56:30
  goddess boss. So that gets into like the
• 56:32
  mystical aspect of the MCU that's missing.
• 56:37
  So like he's he's just a character that has a lot of
• 56:40
  connections and slots in perfectly and can like and can
• 56:43
  fix a lot of issues that the MCU is having right now.
• 56:47
  So to get rid of the character completely.
• 56:50
  Again, not in Wakanda forever. But like in Black Panther Three,
• 56:54
  they should reestablish that he comes back.
• 56:56
  And if you've got multiple ways to do it.
• 56:58
  So I just feel like to take the franchise and everything forward
• 57:03
  to Chala, it was the best next candidate after like Captain
• 57:08
  America at Steve Rogers and Iron Man, Tony Stark.
• 57:12
  Like because you see that guy and you want us.
• 57:15
  You want like people saw that guy for 5 minutes in the Civil
• 57:18
  War trailer. Oh, not 5 minutes.
• 57:20
  That's a long time, like 30 seconds in the Civil War.
• 57:22
  The trailer and they were instantly hooked onto the
• 57:25
  character instantly, like to the point where he almost outshined
• 57:30
  Spiderman in that movie because unlike Spiderman, he had a whole
• 57:34
  arc. Spiderman was a cameo.
• 57:37
  He showed up for a couple, like for a couple scenes, but
• 57:40
  T'challa had a whole story arc. So again, I don't think it's a
• 57:44
  wise thing to put this character in the ground, especially when
• 57:47
  family members of Chadwick Boseman have come out and have
• 57:50
  been like we should recast. I just feel like it's like, I
• 57:54
  feel like as a fan, that would be insulting to them to to say
• 57:58
  I'm more hurt about Chadwick Boseman than they are.
• 58:03
  I gotta ask, what did you think about Black Panther?
• 58:08
  What kind of forever Like the movie, just overall how they
• 58:11
  handled things, the story? I OK like, I just feel like it's
• 58:15
  a huge pothole that he dies to a random disease.
• 58:18
  I just. I agree with that.
• 58:20
  That pissed me off. Yeah.
• 58:22
  I just. I just like because sure, he's
• 58:27
  trying to make a sure he's trying to make a synthetic herb.
• 58:30
  He already has the original 1 already, so why would he need a
• 58:34
  double herb? I felt like it's it's a bit like
• 58:37
  when people in in Star Wars when people said that like Han Solo
• 58:40
  died a bit of a fool's death. Like I felt the same way I was.
• 58:44
  Like I was expecting what I thought they.
• 58:46
  Would do. Was was him and him.
• 58:49
  I thought they would have him in the suit, as in CGI, right?
• 58:54
  Dies in some sort of explosion. You you don't see him die, but
• 58:59
  it's like implied something like that.
• 59:02
  And then we cut to the aftermath and everyone dealing with it.
• 59:06
  I was very surprised with this choice.
• 59:09
  I thought that was not very befitting of the character.
• 59:13
  I don't know but. Yeah, but like in the Han Solo
• 59:17
  situation, right when they say he died of fool's death, I I
• 59:20
  feel the opposite of that because like specifically it's
• 59:25
  like because when when Kylo Ren was Ben Solo.
• 59:30
  Like when he sees like that's his kid.
• 59:33
  So I feel like he was trying to help his kid.
• 59:35
  And sure, I get it. I get.
• 59:37
  It and like, you know, like Ben Solo wants to be part of the
• 59:40
  Dark Side so badly because he's cosplaying Vader.
• 59:44
  He feels like he has to do what Vader would do.
• 59:47
  Yeah, no. I get.
• 59:49
  I get, I get the logic behind it.
• 59:51
  I just felt like this, you know? It was unceremonious, I feel,
• 59:56
  especially for such a big character.
• 59:57
  It was unceremonious, like I get that, but like do something
• 1:00:01
  else. Make me happy.
• 1:00:04
  Come on. Yeah, no, but I'm just saying
• 1:00:06
  also, but sometimes we have to understand, especially with
• 1:00:09
  these types of franchises, like I know everybody comes out and
• 1:00:12
  says they're not cinema, they're not.
• 1:00:14
  It's like, yeah, and I disagree if I wanna if I.
• 1:00:18
  If I want to see, like, if I want to see some depressing
• 1:00:20
  biopic about a gangster that gets shot 50 times after he's
• 1:00:24
  killed all of his opponents, and I'll go watch a Scorsese film.
• 1:00:28
  If I want to see that, like, I don't understand why.
• 1:00:31
  One thing like there's a lot of stuff I don't like.
• 1:00:33
  Like I'm not a big fan of horror movies, but I'm never going to
• 1:00:37
  just go out and say, oh, horror movies suck or horror movies are
• 1:00:40
  terrible or they're not cinema. It's like.
• 1:00:42
  It's not my thing when you come to comic books.
• 1:00:46
  I don't want any of your depressing, weird.
• 1:00:48
  Like, no, I didn't come to see that.
• 1:00:52
  I came to see a guy spin kick a giant purple man and come for,
• 1:00:57
  you know. Anyway, but getting back to a
• 1:00:59
  kind of forever, like, I just think like some of the writing
• 1:01:03
  because like also what Recaster Tyler was saying is that these
• 1:01:06
  people don't have their head in the game.
• 1:01:08
  I really don't think they do. I really think they're rushing
• 1:01:10
  this. They're going into this way too
• 1:01:12
  early. They're not really thinking
• 1:01:14
  about the decisions that they're making here because they're in
• 1:01:17
  grief. And when you're grieving, you're
• 1:01:19
  not 100% present. So like.
• 1:01:24
  When we get to T'challa also, it's just like they forgot like
• 1:01:27
  certain parts of the MCU war. Like if we go to Civil War, they
• 1:01:32
  instantly freeze Bucky with cryostasis.
• 1:01:36
  Why couldn't they just do that with T'challa?
• 1:01:38
  Good point. It would have been a way to
• 1:01:43
  obscure the the, the, the man and all of that stuff.
• 1:01:46
  Take him out the movie and still have the same movie if they did
• 1:01:51
  it in the blip. They would have explained a
• 1:01:53
  whole lot more. As I mentioned earlier, like
• 1:01:56
  they didn't really need to kill the character.
• 1:01:58
  Everybody was fine with not having him in McConnell forever.
• 1:02:01
  We all collectively said, OK, look, if you're not going to
• 1:02:03
  have him in McConnell forever, we get it.
• 1:02:07
  And like Ryan Kugler was even coming out at the time and
• 1:02:09
  saying he wanted to retire because that's how much, that's
• 1:02:12
  how hurt he was. And I was just like you did not
• 1:02:15
  in the headspace to do the movie.
• 1:02:17
  Because now as you get into the movie, there's just a lot of
• 1:02:20
  stuff that starts being contradictory, like for example,
• 1:02:26
  name or snuck in twice. That's a big issue for me
• 1:02:30
  because I'm just like this is supposed to be the smartest
• 1:02:33
  people on the planet the first time, I mean, I still don't
• 1:02:36
  understand, but fine the first time, fine, fine the second
• 1:02:40
  time. I felt like they would have been
• 1:02:42
  a nation that prepares in case this guy comes back.
• 1:02:46
  Because he threatened the Queen and the Princess, I guess a big
• 1:02:50
  deal. Kind of raises his concerns for
• 1:02:54
  the security, really, doesn't it?
• 1:02:56
  Like, yes, he can get on. That that's bad, surely.
• 1:02:59
  Surely anyone can get. This that is bad.
• 1:03:03
  Like for me, I was like no. And then also when I look at
• 1:03:06
  what they did with them, Baku. And again, when people hear me
• 1:03:09
  complain about him, Baku, I'm not talking about his amount of
• 1:03:12
  screen time. It's not how much time you give
• 1:03:15
  a character, it's how you depict them, cuz everybody loves Heath
• 1:03:19
  Ledger, right? He only had 15 minutes in the
• 1:03:21
  dark night. No, I.
• 1:03:24
  Didn't have a lot of screen time.
• 1:03:25
  I know what you're saying with him.
• 1:03:26
  Buckle like I felt like he was not the same character in this,
• 1:03:31
  like kind of came across in the first one.
• 1:03:35
  He's very menacing. He's just like Opposing Force.
• 1:03:38
  You really do feel that like he's, yeah, he will help Black
• 1:03:43
  Panther and he, his tribe is supporting them, but like, they
• 1:03:48
  are, they're allies. They're not friends.
• 1:03:51
  That was the vibe I got And then.
• 1:03:54
  I think the progression, yeah, I think the progression of the
• 1:03:57
  relationship is fine. I mean, again, that's a Black
• 1:03:59
  Panther purist. Black fans appearances were very
• 1:04:03
  pissed because the guy who they the guy who's actually because
• 1:04:07
  in in the comics T'challa has like 2 childhood friends.
• 1:04:11
  One is called Taku, the other one is Wakabi and Taku is like
• 1:04:15
  gay. So that was like a big thing
• 1:04:17
  because they were just like oh like he he was like best friends
• 1:04:21
  with this guy but they were like you know it was like a
• 1:04:23
  progressive thing and whatever. And they even did a whole issue
• 1:04:26
  where Taku gets married to this guy called Horatio.
• 1:04:29
  And it was like, in what kind of voices or whatever?
• 1:04:32
  So it was like a very pro LGBTQ thing.
• 1:04:34
  But it was like very natural. It wasn't like a forced
• 1:04:37
  situation where they just instantly made the character
• 1:04:39
  gay. There was a bunch of history
• 1:04:41
  there, which was very interesting.
• 1:04:43
  Yeah. But like when we get to mbaku in
• 1:04:46
  this movie, I just felt like he was used to power scale people.
• 1:04:50
  And I just feel like that's a very poor use of that character
• 1:04:53
  because he was so impactful in Black Panther one like in Black
• 1:04:57
  Panther 2. Sure, he has to arm wrestle him
• 1:05:00
  for challenge day. And I'm just like that's already
• 1:05:02
  contradictory to what you guys set up in Black Panther One,
• 1:05:06
  because in Black Panther 1, Chadwick had to Chadwick to
• 1:05:10
  Chala had to fight people without the herb.
• 1:05:14
  Like that's what he had to do. Like he had to fight people
• 1:05:17
  without his superpowers and prove that without his powers
• 1:05:20
  he's still a competent king of Wakando.
• 1:05:22
  Whatever. So why is surely getting to arm
• 1:05:25
  wrestle and Baku with the with the heart-shaped herb?
• 1:05:28
  That's not fair to me. And then also like Neymor, we
• 1:05:33
  have to learn how Neymor is powerful because he can knock
• 1:05:37
  Mbaku out with one punch. That's just like, but why are we
• 1:05:40
  doing this? I feel like Mbaku, his screen
• 1:05:43
  time should have been utilized a whole lot better and everything.
• 1:05:48
  And then like, again, I'm like, I'm not a person who's
• 1:05:52
  hypocritical. Honestly, I think the only
• 1:05:54
  reason I'm thinking about this movie in this in this light and
• 1:05:57
  I I know I sound like a Grinch. No, I disagree.
• 1:06:01
  I think. I think you've you're always
• 1:06:03
  very I've noticed this about you.
• 1:06:05
  You're always kind of quite fair with your opinions.
• 1:06:07
  It's never like this is how it should be.
• 1:06:09
  Any other opinion is bad. It's always quite level headed
• 1:06:12
  and logical and this is my opinion, but you know, take it
• 1:06:16
  what it will. Yeah.
• 1:06:18
  OK. You obviously are not on
• 1:06:20
  Twitter. Yeah, I avoid Twitter like the
• 1:06:24
  playing with. Well, it's X now, because I
• 1:06:27
  don't know what the hell you wanna do.
• 1:06:28
  No. No one is ever gonna call it
• 1:06:30
  that. Like, I'm sorry, that's not
• 1:06:32
  happening. Never.
• 1:06:33
  Even the logo sucks, but anyway. But getting getting back to it,
• 1:06:38
  like, yeah, I again, I still feel like the performances were
• 1:06:42
  amazing from everybody. Absolutely.
• 1:06:44
  From what I've seen, because I never I'm I I just started
• 1:06:47
  watching the movie because people have been urging me to
• 1:06:49
  watch the movie to have a better fair opinion.
• 1:06:51
  I've just started getting through the movie because it's
• 1:06:54
  it's tough for me to I I couldn't bring myself to watch
• 1:06:57
  it on initial release. I really I didn't have it in me
• 1:07:00
  because I was just like they're killing my favorite character
• 1:07:02
  and they're just putting him in the ground and they're having a
• 1:07:04
  whole funeral. And it is like it was a lot for
• 1:07:08
  me personally because I was just like.
• 1:07:11
  Because I grew up on Tatala, like I've been reading him for
• 1:07:14
  15 years now. So for them to to kill the
• 1:07:17
  character in the way that they did, that was just I I I
• 1:07:21
  couldn't do it. I I wanted to support, but I
• 1:07:23
  couldn't do it. You do something that's really
• 1:07:25
  cool actually in the movie, which I I really did, is the
• 1:07:28
  fact that they go, sure, he goes through this whole storyline, we
• 1:07:32
  move away from Black Panther and she then becomes Black Panther
• 1:07:36
  and everything, right? But then right at the end, she's
• 1:07:39
  there, she's on a beach and it cuts the loads of flashbacks of
• 1:07:44
  of Chala. And I just thought that was
• 1:07:47
  really cool when you're talking about grief because at this
• 1:07:50
  point it would have been years later.
• 1:07:52
  And it kind of like spoke to this idea that, yeah, like
• 1:07:55
  people pass away, but you never forget.
• 1:07:57
  You don't, You don't stop feeling like sad about it.
• 1:08:00
  You just kind of learn to move forward.
• 1:08:03
  And of course they do the whole, you know, this is his son, etc.
• 1:08:07
  The continuation of the bloodline and stuff.
• 1:08:08
  But it's done in a kind of respectful way.
• 1:08:12
  I think it's, I don't know, I feel they handled it quite well
• 1:08:17
  in that sense. I can see that.
• 1:08:21
  I mean, again, personally, I just, I feel like it's very much
• 1:08:24
  conflating fiction with reality, which is very dangerous
• 1:08:27
  territory in my opinion. But I just feel like with with,
• 1:08:32
  particularly when we get to the sun, it's just like I feel like
• 1:08:36
  they wanted to give us an olive branch as to travel fans.
• 1:08:39
  But like I just feel like they like they've done something
• 1:08:42
  where it's going to be very confusing in the MCU because if
• 1:08:46
  we go to Black Panther three and this six year old kid is all of
• 1:08:50
  a sudden 21. How that's not Yeah, that's not
• 1:08:54
  gonna work. What I'm saying though, is like
• 1:08:56
  if we go to Black Panther three and the kid is 21, how It just
• 1:09:03
  might drank some serum, You know, standard.
• 1:09:05
  Yeah, yeah, it's. He just had a.
• 1:09:07
  Gross if they can and if they can time travel.
• 1:09:10
  If they can time travel, it makes more issues for me
• 1:09:13
  personally because I'm like if you can time travel, why don't
• 1:09:16
  you just go back in time to winter travel was not sick and
• 1:09:19
  then just help him there is that's not how time travel.
• 1:09:22
  Works not how time travel works. Everybody broken so many rules
• 1:09:27
  of time travel, like Captain America fought himself.
• 1:09:31
  Like that should have caused the time paradox right then and
• 1:09:34
  there. Like the whole thing should have
• 1:09:36
  been, I thought, the whole the whole thing about how he goes
• 1:09:39
  back and he marries Peggy and spends the rest of his days with
• 1:09:41
  her. Oh, no, He killed him.
• 1:09:41
  I was like, but what about like her husband that she had and all
• 1:09:46
  the other? He killed him.
• 1:09:48
  That'd be his. He's mine.
• 1:09:53
  Bye. Bye.
• 1:09:54
  Yeah, he just came in with the vibranium shield and just
• 1:09:57
  chopped that dude's head off. He never stood a chance.
• 1:10:05
  I mean, regular small #2 Steve Rogers is a World War Two hero.
• 1:10:11
  He never stood a chance and like, gone.
• 1:10:16
  Gone. Yeah, sorry.
• 1:10:17
  Go ahead, I was. I was going to just move away
• 1:10:20
  from marble, but if you got some more stuff you'd like to.
• 1:10:23
  Oh, no. Anyway, like, that's just my
• 1:10:24
  whole spiel on that. It's um.
• 1:10:26
  Anyway, yeah, I just basically that's my focus right now is
• 1:10:30
  just trying to get to Tyler back into, you know, the in a
• 1:10:33
  specific light. Just trying to get him back in a
• 1:10:35
  specific life so that people can also start focusing on the
• 1:10:39
  character more than just the actor, because I feel like
• 1:10:42
  characters live forever. I mean, you know, you and me,
• 1:10:45
  humans, we pass. But like ideas and characters
• 1:10:48
  are ideas. They they live in perpetuity.
• 1:10:51
  I mean there's a reason why Batman is 75, but they still
• 1:10:53
  draw him as a 45 year old man. So I just feel like putting the
• 1:10:58
  character down for good is not. It's not good socially and it's
• 1:11:02
  not good business wise. But anyway, we can move on to
• 1:11:05
  something else. My bad.
• 1:11:07
  No. Hey, listen, I I love it.
• 1:11:09
  I love it. I wanted to explore this with
• 1:11:10
  you and and we got like over an hour out of that.
• 1:11:13
  So but I want, I want to talk about you, man.
• 1:11:18
  I want to talk a little bit about you.
• 1:11:19
  So we'll we'll start off with something that kind of sucked
• 1:11:22
  but I'd like to kind of get your thoughts on how you've moved
• 1:11:25
  since it. So you were hacked on Instagram?
• 1:11:28
  A while back built up this this Instagram account and
• 1:11:32
  everything, and then it just randomly got hacked and then
• 1:11:36
  some asshole was posting like Bitcoin or some shit.
• 1:11:39
  Yeah, to be fair, I was a little bit dumb about it.
• 1:11:41
  To be fair, I basically people never usually get me on that
• 1:11:48
  stuff unless, like, I kind of know you.
• 1:11:51
  So I think they hacked an Instagram friend of mine where
• 1:11:54
  we used to communicate all the time.
• 1:11:56
  So when he messaged me and I thought he was sending me a link
• 1:12:00
  or something and I was like, no, I mean, I know this guy, we've
• 1:12:02
  chopped it up for a while, only for me to find out later he was
• 1:12:05
  hacked. So that's kind of how they got
• 1:12:08
  me. And then I found out I was
• 1:12:10
  locked out of my account and then I tried to get it back.
• 1:12:13
  I even like tried to pay another hacker to do something and that
• 1:12:17
  didn't work out for me as well. So I basically just had to bite
• 1:12:20
  the bullet. I just had to take the L and.
• 1:12:24
  In in in a couple of ways. It's like it's not the first
• 1:12:27
  time stuff like this kind of happened to me in a sense.
• 1:12:30
  Not like it's the hacking thing, but like when I was it, it just
• 1:12:33
  reminded me of my days when I was doing Vine.
• 1:12:36
  And then one day Vine was shut down and all those followers I
• 1:12:41
  built on Vine were just gone. So I guess I just had to be
• 1:12:44
  like, if I still want to do this, I guess I got to do this.
• 1:12:48
  And yeah, I just, I kind of swallowed my pride a little bit.
• 1:12:52
  And you know. After crying for like 2 days and
• 1:12:55
  I just decided to like Truck On because I didn't have like, I
• 1:13:00
  love this way too much. Like as much as this social
• 1:13:03
  media game can get to a lot of people, for me it's it's I
• 1:13:08
  really like being able to talk to people like this.
• 1:13:10
  I really like being able to make content around stuff that I like
• 1:13:13
  and I really like being able to, you know, chop it up with people
• 1:13:16
  on on like a lot of platforms and all of that stuff.
• 1:13:19
  So yeah, I mean it sucked, but it was just a thing that
• 1:13:23
  happened. It wasn't the end of the world.
• 1:13:24
  I mean, I think also at the end of the day, we have to also
• 1:13:27
  remember sometimes that we over exaggerate things in our mind.
• 1:13:31
  Like I wasn't making any money off of that account.
• 1:13:34
  I wasn't like, you know, like it.
• 1:13:36
  Like as much as losing it sucked it it wasn't the end of the
• 1:13:40
  world is what I'm saying. Yeah I I felt bad for you when
• 1:13:45
  it happened. But I I was glad to see that you
• 1:13:47
  set up a second account and you moved forward and stuff and it
• 1:13:50
  because I I felt the frustration on your behalf as well.
• 1:13:53
  I was gutted to see that and it was just frustrating.
• 1:13:56
  I remember sharing the link around and and just trying to
• 1:14:00
  get people. To stop following the account,
• 1:14:02
  follow your new one and stuff and.
• 1:14:05
  Thank you, thank you for that. Thank you for that.
• 1:14:06
  I think the the thing that hurt me the most about it.
• 1:14:09
  Hurt me, I guess, if that's the term.
• 1:14:12
  The thing that pissed me off the most about it was that he
• 1:14:14
  started messing with all day. I don't even know who he or she,
• 1:14:18
  but they started messing with other people in my like circle
• 1:14:22
  and whatever that was. I think the thing that pissed me
• 1:14:25
  off the most is that, like they were trying to hack other
• 1:14:28
  accounts and like one of these guys that I was training with
• 1:14:31
  her at the time, he was like a he was like an up and coming MMA
• 1:14:34
  fighter. Like his page almost got hacked,
• 1:14:37
  but I managed to warn him. Before it got hacked.
• 1:14:40
  And he still gladly has his page, but it was like, that was
• 1:14:44
  the thing that kind of was. The worst part for me is that
• 1:14:47
  like, now they're gonna try and do this to other people that I
• 1:14:51
  know, and I have to, like, warn them as much as possible to not
• 1:14:54
  follow this account that it's not me anymore.
• 1:14:58
  I mean, some people picked it up instantly because I've never
• 1:15:00
  spoken about Bitcoin ever in my life.
• 1:15:04
  Like, I'm like, it's like there I think there were like 1000
• 1:15:07
  posts and now all of a sudden there's two Bitcoin posts and
• 1:15:11
  also they had like an American denomination.
• 1:15:13
  So like, of course, like, people know I'm South African.
• 1:15:16
  Like I I have it in my bio and everything, so.
• 1:15:20
  Some people picked up on that, but, you know, sometimes they
• 1:15:22
  get people via like the Dms and everything.
• 1:15:24
  But that was the worst thing for me, was that, like they were
• 1:15:27
  gonna do this to somebody else. And I was just trying to
• 1:15:29
  understand what is the point of doing this stuff.
• 1:15:32
  But like, yeah, I was. I was.
• 1:15:33
  That was. I think that was the big thing
• 1:15:35
  that was an issue for me. Let's bring it to something more
• 1:15:40
  positive. Your comic book series near Wave
• 1:15:44
  now obviously three years ago. It is very much becoming an
• 1:15:48
  idea. And since then you've released,
• 1:15:51
  I believe you released comments. I bought one of them at one
• 1:15:53
  point. Yeah, you did.
• 1:15:54
  Thank you so much. Yeah, no worries.
• 1:15:57
  Took us through the progress of Neil and Wave.
• 1:16:01
  Well, we currently working on issue 2.
• 1:16:04
  It's just that it's very difficult now because we're in
• 1:16:07
  two different countries and so like.
• 1:16:12
  The artist that I'm working with is in Zimbabwe and I'm in here
• 1:16:15
  in South Africa. And also he's got like a date,
• 1:16:17
  like he's helping me for free. That's the one thing like I
• 1:16:21
  still, I still, my mind is still blown because I was just doing
• 1:16:25
  stuff on Instagram and he Dmed me one day and he was just like,
• 1:16:28
  hey, can I work with you? And I'm like, I don't have money
• 1:16:31
  to pay you, man. I wouldn't want you to just, you
• 1:16:33
  know, and he was just like, no, I'll do it for free.
• 1:16:35
  And that's just. Like when I tell that story at
• 1:16:39
  Comic Con is just is. I hope it.
• 1:16:41
  I hope it's just going to blow people's minds because like it
• 1:16:43
  still blows Mama. And like, he's also good.
• 1:16:46
  Like that's the other thing. It's not like he sucks.
• 1:16:48
  He's also like a competent artist, so that on top of him
• 1:16:53
  doing it for free was a very big deal.
• 1:16:56
  But yeah, we I've written 12 issues now.
• 1:17:00
  I basically have, like most of the story planned out, and we're
• 1:17:03
  hoping to release issue 2 very soon.
• 1:17:07
  Seeing as how he's busy with and I'm also in my spare time when
• 1:17:11
  I've not been renting about the Chala.
• 1:17:14
  I'm also in my spare time spent a lot of time redrawing issue
• 1:17:18
  1:00 so that I can make it look better.
• 1:17:21
  So there is like they there is like what's this?
• 1:17:26
  There is like, you know things that are coming in that universe
• 1:17:30
  and I'm still doing art like we're nailing the, we're
• 1:17:33
  refining the design. Because we we're trying to get a
• 1:17:37
  better looking design for the character because I'm trying to
• 1:17:40
  make his mask a little bit more iconic.
• 1:17:43
  I I kind of want that Spiderman, Batman, you know, like Deadpool
• 1:17:48
  effect, like when you even see a pin of the character or whatever
• 1:17:51
  where it's just like a small pin, you know that's the
• 1:17:53
  character. That's kind of the thing that
• 1:17:55
  I'm aiming for right now. And also in that time I've also
• 1:18:00
  released another book called Blackfist which is on web tunes
• 1:18:04
  as well. So that's another story.
• 1:18:06
  That one is specifically handled and drawn by me.
• 1:18:10
  And I've also nailed down like a couple of issues for that
• 1:18:13
  particular story where if you want the general gist, I don't
• 1:18:17
  know if anybody's ever watched Dragon Ball Z, but it's
• 1:18:19
  basically supposed to be Dragon Ball Z meets Black Panther.
• 1:18:23
  Yeah. So I mean, I'm still creating.
• 1:18:24
  I'm still like very, very busy. Yeah.
• 1:18:28
  And I'm so like I've got like I've got like a couple of drafts
• 1:18:33
  in in the in the chamber for stories that I'm going to tell
• 1:18:36
  cuz I'm also planning to get into animation and all of that
• 1:18:39
  wonderful stuff. Good stuff man.
• 1:18:44
  So we didn't actually speak about this on the first show.
• 1:18:48
  There's a lot of things that we didn't speak about, cuz then I
• 1:18:50
  kind of we did the show obviously when we stayed in
• 1:18:53
  touch on Instagram and we did a bunch of live streams together.
• 1:18:57
  And one of the things that you used to do quite often, which I
• 1:19:00
  really loved, was these like freestyle rap.
• 1:19:03
  Live streams where yeah, like and like people would put stuff
• 1:19:06
  in the comments and you just rap about whatever and it was just
• 1:19:10
  this incredible skill that you have.
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  Do you Do you still do that or are we ever going to get like an
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  album or something like cuz I'd love to see it.
• 1:19:21
  I have done, I have done and I have done a mix tape like an EP
• 1:19:26
  like A10 track EP. Where can we?
• 1:19:29
  Find that it's on my YouTube. Basically it's called the Heroic
• 1:19:33
  episode where EP is like capitalized because it was like
• 1:19:37
  a play on is it under the Buck Master name as well.
• 1:19:41
  Yes, yes, yes, Buck Master Cool reacts.
• 1:19:43
  It's in there. If you go to my channel and you
• 1:19:47
  type in heroic episode, it's going to come up.
• 1:19:50
  Where there's like 10 tracks or whatever and I do plan to get
• 1:19:54
  back into, I do plan to get back into doing that stuff again.
• 1:20:00
  But like I said, it's just like when when you, when you're
• 1:20:02
  learning to draw and all of that stuff, it takes up so much of
• 1:20:05
  your time. Like I like most of my time
• 1:20:07
  nowadays has been spent like I still do the rap thing.
• 1:20:10
  I still, I still practice and all of that stuff because like
• 1:20:13
  it's just it's it's my natural, OK, you can shut up.
• 1:20:18
  Sorry about that. I'm so sick of hearing my voice
• 1:20:21
  sometimes. But anyway like just getting
• 1:20:24
  getting into like with the rap thing, that's like my natural
• 1:20:27
  talent. I've always been able to do that
• 1:20:29
  like since I was like 5 or 6 or whatever.
• 1:20:32
  Like I think everybody has their thing.
• 1:20:34
  I think that's my my thing more technically.
• 1:20:38
  So yeah, I'm planning to do more music.
• 1:20:41
  I was actually planning a lyrical music video.
• 1:20:44
  I had a whole series are it's still on my channel called The
• 1:20:47
  Hip Hop Uber, where I used to drive and do freestyles and all
• 1:20:50
  of that stuff. And yeah, the rap music stuff is
• 1:20:53
  not going anywhere. It's just right now with the
• 1:20:56
  comic book stuff, I just feel like it's way more.
• 1:20:59
  But yeah, I still plan to do a whole lot more rap stuff, like
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  it's not gonna go away. And I do plan to bring back that
• 1:21:05
  series. I mean it was on my hacked
• 1:21:06
  channel, which which sucks cuz I lost a lot of those videos, but
• 1:21:10
  I do plan to bring all of that back and hopefully get people
• 1:21:14
  like I like. The only thing is I need to
• 1:21:16
  build up my following so that I can get more people
• 1:21:18
  participating, cuz I I do feel like it's more fun when there's
• 1:21:21
  more people in the chat. I really think you should try on
• 1:21:25
  TikTok. You do very well.
• 1:21:27
  Something to consider for the future.
• 1:21:31
  I'll get it. Definitely do you, man, And let
• 1:21:33
  me know when you do. I'll follow you and share you
• 1:21:35
  around. Thank you so much.
• 1:21:38
  Couple of quick fire questions for you that I didn't actually
• 1:21:42
  used to ask when I first did this show, but now it's become
• 1:21:45
  like a fixture at my show to ask every guest this.
• 1:21:48
  So I gotta go, I gotta wash your other other pods.
• 1:21:52
  Like, I guess when I be my drunk thing, that's gonna be what I do
• 1:21:54
  this afternoon. Oh, it's gonna be so many.
• 1:21:56
  Man, you were like 2 / 200 to catch up on.
• 1:22:03
  I'll take it slow. I'll take it slow.
• 1:22:06
  What's the best advice you've ever received.
• 1:22:10
  The best advice I've ever received man.
• 1:22:14
  This one I kind of came across and it was from a video.
• 1:22:17
  It wasn't in real life. This one I came across from and
• 1:22:20
  like it was a kind of thing of you need to learn to see things
• 1:22:26
  as they are. Like, I think that was the
• 1:22:31
  biggest piece of advice I've ever gotten.
• 1:22:33
  And because I live, I I live around a lot of people and I
• 1:22:37
  used to be like this as well, where we overreact or Hyper
• 1:22:41
  Reactor and all of that stuff and you get into social media as
• 1:22:46
  well. Like that's one thing that
• 1:22:48
  helped me deal with the fact that I got hacked is that I had
• 1:22:51
  to see things as they are. Like, I had to understand that
• 1:22:56
  as much as I had this page, I existed before this Instagram
• 1:23:01
  page and I'm probably going to exist after this Instagram page.
• 1:23:04
  It's not like you know, and even like in real life situation when
• 1:23:09
  I've lost money or I've gotten robbed or you know, things
• 1:23:12
  happened. Like I don't know if you saw
• 1:23:15
  this, I got into an accident on time and it was pretty like it
• 1:23:18
  was pretty scary because it was like a giant truck or whatever
• 1:23:21
  that almost struggled on my car. But like learning to see things
• 1:23:25
  as they are and help me to put it into context that I'm still
• 1:23:28
  here. I'm fine.
• 1:23:30
  The truck didn't fall. I don't have to have nightmares
• 1:23:32
  about the truck falling. It's just being able to see what
• 1:23:39
  is instead of exaggerating everything in your mind.
• 1:23:42
  And it's helped me tremendously is dealing with social media in
• 1:23:46
  general. Because as you know, when we
• 1:23:49
  started this game, people were telling us if you do 12345, you
• 1:23:52
  should have 100,000 subscribers. And, yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:59
  But if you realize that as a human being, you were alive
• 1:24:03
  before followers were even a thing and you didn't even know
• 1:24:06
  all of that stuff. And, like, it ties also into
• 1:24:08
  identity and everything. Where like, as much as I call
• 1:24:13
  myself a man, as much as I call myself black, as much as I call
• 1:24:16
  myself a South African when I was a baby, I didn't know any of
• 1:24:19
  this. Like, somebody had to tell me.
• 1:24:21
  Like, I could have been from Mars and I could have been.
• 1:24:25
  I don't know, like, like, the point is a lot of the stuff is
• 1:24:29
  inventions. And a lot of people put a lot of
• 1:24:31
  value into inventions more than the stuff that's already there.
• 1:24:35
  Like, people will value, a follower count over a human
• 1:24:39
  being. People will value a car over
• 1:24:43
  like or they'll value like a kids ability over the kid just
• 1:24:47
  having fun or whatever. Like they'll look at that and
• 1:24:50
  they'll be like, oh, he can play like Picasso.
• 1:24:52
  And meanwhile that kid is miserable and it's just like,
• 1:24:55
  yeah, what's the point of this? So like for me, just learning to
• 1:25:01
  see things as they are, learning to see my identity as it is,
• 1:25:05
  that it's just an aspect or a tool or whatever, but it's not
• 1:25:08
  who I really AM because who I am is alive.
• 1:25:12
  That advice, it changed a lot in my life.
• 1:25:16
  Like just a lot in my mental head space, not a lot in, well,
• 1:25:19
  I would say even a little bit in my financial space because I'm
• 1:25:22
  doing better financially than I ever was.
• 1:25:24
  But like, yeah, I I just think that's the biggest piece of
• 1:25:27
  advice I've ever gone. Wise words, Thank you so much
• 1:25:30
  for sharing. What's the biggest life lesson
• 1:25:34
  you've learned so far? The biggest life lesson,
• 1:25:40
  meditation is very helpful. Yeah.
• 1:25:44
  Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's the biggest life
• 1:25:47
  lesson that I've learned is that in learning to see things as
• 1:25:50
  they are, it's just it's learning that, you know, to also
• 1:25:54
  to to sit down. I think a lot of us don't sit
• 1:25:57
  down and learning to sit down and just to also like get my
• 1:26:03
  head together. Bio meditation is the biggest
• 1:26:07
  life lesson I've ever learned or whatever because like again,
• 1:26:11
  things will happen. But like you get to control how
• 1:26:15
  you respond and that is that's a very big deal for where I'm at
• 1:26:19
  right now. It's also part of the reason why
• 1:26:22
  I think I frustrate people on Twitter is because they'll cuss
• 1:26:25
  me out and call me all sorts of names and words and letters and
• 1:26:29
  expertise that I've never seen combinations for.
• 1:26:32
  But because I know what it is, I've never.
• 1:26:36
  I've always responded instead of reacting, and that's always been
• 1:26:40
  nice. So that's the biggest life
• 1:26:43
  lesson I can tell you that I've learned.
• 1:26:45
  Thank you so much, man. As we draw things to a close for
• 1:26:48
  the day, do you have any upcoming projects or some final
• 1:26:51
  thoughts that you'd like to share with our listeners?
• 1:26:53
  Well, if you guys follow me on web tunes under Meister Geek
• 1:26:57
  Media, I have two projects that you can check out over there.
• 1:27:02
  Yeah, so it's the Black Panther fan comic, which is really I'm,
• 1:27:07
  I'm very proud of it. And it's also the Black Fist
• 1:27:10
  stuff. Neon Wave is going to be coming
• 1:27:12
  soon. I might also be putting that on
• 1:27:14
  web tunes because that's what's the term for this.
• 1:27:17
  It's free 99 or whatever people need to get to check out stuff.
• 1:27:21
  So yeah, and also some music stuff on the way.
• 1:27:25
  And yeah, but mostly it's the comic book stuff right now.
• 1:27:30
  Also planning to open commissions soon, doing some
• 1:27:33
  free Commission spots just to, you know, design some people
• 1:27:37
  with OCS if they want or whatever.
• 1:27:39
  I used to do that. Now that my skills are a little
• 1:27:41
  bit better, I want to do that again, just to give some people
• 1:27:44
  some free OCS. But yeah, that's mostly all the
• 1:27:48
  stuff that's coming up right now.
• 1:27:51
  No, no, no, no. Those are the things you can
• 1:27:53
  watch out for. Excellent, man.
• 1:27:56
  I'm proud of you, man. Like how hard you work.
• 1:27:59
  I remember like when we first connected, that was something I
• 1:28:02
  really connected with you on. Was like how hard you work.
• 1:28:05
  And yeah, I just. I just wish you all the best,
• 1:28:09
  man. I really wanna see you succeed.
• 1:28:11
  And no likewise, man. Likewise, like when I do this,
• 1:28:15
  when I hopefully do this animation thing, you're gonna be
• 1:28:18
  one of the voices I tap. I'd love to.
• 1:28:21
  You know, your voice reels are really good.
• 1:28:23
  Like, I really like your voice reel.
• 1:28:25
  Thanks for all your acting reels and all of that stuff.
• 1:28:27
  Look, I mean, I catch all of your podcasts, but I definitely
• 1:28:29
  catch all of that stuff. And and yeah, you're definitely
• 1:28:32
  gonna be one of the people I tap for for a voice.
• 1:28:35
  I feel like you got an excellent voice and you do accents really
• 1:28:38
  well. You say the word.
• 1:28:39
  I am there. I can't wait.
• 1:28:42
  I will. Of course I'll be there.
• 1:28:44
  Thank you so much for appearing on the show, man.
• 1:28:46
  Really appreciate it. No, man, Thank you for having me
• 1:28:48
  back. Like, I definitely enjoyed this.
• 1:28:51
  I definitely want to do this again.
• 1:28:53
  And oh, always welcome. Oh, another thing, just the last
• 1:28:56
  thing, is that I do plan to bring the Creative Podcast back
• 1:28:59
  and you were definitely the inspiration for that podcast.
• 1:29:01
  So thank you so much. Yes, do bring it back.
• 1:29:03
  I thought you had saying really good going.
• 1:29:05
  I completely forgot about that. My apologies.
• 1:29:07
  I do remember this. Yeah, I I'd loved going on your
• 1:29:09
  show. Well, I mean, it's not your
• 1:29:10
  fault. I just haven't done it in
• 1:29:12
  forever. I mean, Helen.
• 1:29:14
  No, I know, I know, I know. I mean, this is this show.
• 1:29:17
  I I imagined it a lot to be. Be like catching up, but also
• 1:29:21
  kind of exploring a lot of the things that we didn't actually
• 1:29:23
  cover in the first podcast. Because when we did that podcast
• 1:29:26
  together, we didn't really know each other.
• 1:29:29
  We'd saw it was like meeting for the first time and then we got
• 1:29:33
  to know each other afterwards. And then I remember thinking
• 1:29:36
  like afterwards, like, oh, damn, there's all this stuff we could
• 1:29:38
  have covered. I mean, we still had a good
• 1:29:40
  time, but I was just yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I I had a lot.
• 1:29:43
  I had a very fun time. I still like watch that from
• 1:29:45
  time to time because it. Was very cool, man.
• 1:29:47
  And you're a very, you're a very good host.
• 1:29:49
  Like I really think the podcast is underrated and I definitely
• 1:29:53
  like the variety in it cuz you get a lot of different types of
• 1:29:56
  guests and all of that stuff like you talking to people from
• 1:29:59
  every type of medium, which is really cool.
• 1:30:01
  It's cool for me man. It keeps me fresh, it keeps me
• 1:30:05
  thinking and doing my research and learning about people and
• 1:30:09
  and that's another reason as well why I was quite excited to
• 1:30:12
  bring you back on the show cuz when you first came on.
• 1:30:17
  You were my first guest three years ago and I wasn't really
• 1:30:20
  sure what the podcast was going to be.
• 1:30:22
  Like I said at the top of this. And also, I don't know, like I I
• 1:30:25
  feel like I've become more confident as an interviewer and
• 1:30:29
  a host now than I was then, because then, you know, for
• 1:30:34
  instance, something simple like ad libbing and following up on
• 1:30:37
  stuff, I I didn't really get that as much.
• 1:30:39
  I was very much in my papers like a.
• 1:30:42
  So you do this because you know, I didn't notice.
• 1:30:46
  I didn't notice, I'll tell you that.
• 1:30:49
  I just hit it Well, well, listen, it's always a pleasure
• 1:30:54
  and you're always welcome back on the show, You know that.
• 1:30:57
  Stay in touch, man. Oh, man.
• 1:30:58
  Thank you so much for having me on, man.
• 1:31:00
  And yes, much blessing and success to you indefinitely.
• 1:31:03
  You're one of the people I'm hitting up first.
• 1:31:06
  What do you call you peoples? Because I got to make them sign
• 1:31:10
  off. Audience viewers, you don't have
• 1:31:13
  a, you don't have a, like, they're not the Rivians or
• 1:31:16
  something like that. Some people have tried.
• 1:31:18
  Some people have tried to give some names, but I don't know if
• 1:31:21
  I'm comfortable with that. I will let the people decide
• 1:31:24
  that. I just say viewers, audience,
• 1:31:27
  listeners, listen listeners, podcasts, listeners.
• 1:31:30
  I'm throwing out Rivians audience.
• 1:31:33
  Y'all. Let me know how that how that
• 1:31:34
  sounds. You don't know what you've done.
• 1:31:43
  Anyway, thank you so much. Yeah, man, thank you so much.
• 1:31:47
  And thank you to your audience and everything.
• 1:31:48
  And yeah, much more luck and blessings to you and peace out.
• 1:31:53
  And a couple of things to my audience before I go.
• 1:31:55
  I've just created a discord so if you want to come join the
• 1:31:59
  discord. Go to my link tree linktr dot EE
• 1:32:03
  slash Christian Reeve to get access to my discord the Patreon
• 1:32:07
  where I do a Patreon exclusive show called Life with Christian
• 1:32:10
  Reeve. So if you want to hear me
• 1:32:12
  talking endlessly for many, many episodes, that's the show to go
• 1:32:16
  to very different vibe and feel to the podcast.
• 1:32:20
  I realized that this is me advertising these things I never
• 1:32:23
  normally advertise, so here I am advertising them.
• 1:32:26
  Go check it out. My link tree.
• 1:32:27
  I'm checking them out. Links will be in the
• 1:32:30
  description. And yeah, make sure you send me
• 1:32:31
  your links as well. So I'll put everything in the
• 1:32:33
  description, go check it out the Discord, the Patreon and
• 1:32:36
  everything in between. Go check out Buckminster, Call
• 1:32:40
  and. Without further ado, thank you
• 1:32:44
  so much for listening. Be safe, be well, and I'll see
• 1:32:47
  you in the next one.